Are You A Charlotte?

The biggest red flag about Trey is revealed... (S4 E5 "Ghost Town")

32 min
Apr 16, 20263 days ago
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Summary

Kristen Davis and guest Tracy Toms discuss Sex and the City Season 4 Episode 5 'Ghost Town,' analyzing character dynamics between Carrie and Aiden, Charlotte's struggles with Trey's mother Bunny, and broader themes about longing, imperfect characters in modern television, and the evolution of female-led storytelling.

Insights
  • Longing is a central emotional driver in romantic narratives that audiences deeply relate to, particularly when unspoken or denied by characters themselves
  • Modern streaming platforms are increasingly risk-averse about depicting imperfect female characters (smoking, drinking, messiness), limiting authentic storytelling compared to earlier prestige television
  • Mama's boy dynamics remain a significant relationship challenge, particularly in Black family structures where maternal bonds are culturally central
  • Character typecasting in acting can be reframed as a professional niche that enables consistent work and creative mastery rather than a limitation
  • Cathartic emotional experiences in film and television serve a therapeutic function, allowing audiences to process feelings in a safe, contained environment
Trends
Increased scrutiny of female character behavior in streaming content leading to sanitized portrayals versus complex, flawed protagonistsLimited series format gaining traction as a vehicle for morally ambiguous and imperfect character developmentGrowing recognition of ADD/ADHD patterns in emotional regulation and attachment cycles, particularly limerence and wallowing behaviorsShift toward female-led ensemble films with strong supporting casts as commercially viable and culturally significantResurgence of interest in prestige television that depicts realistic social behaviors (drinking, smoking) without moral judgmentNiche casting strategies becoming more valued than broad versatility in television and film production
Companies
iHeart Media
Podcast network that distributes 'Are You a Charlotte?' show
ITV1
Broadcast network mentioned for airing 'The Neighborhood' drama series
ITVX
Streaming platform mentioned for airing 'The Neighborhood' series
Samsung
Electronics brand with promotional offer mentioned in mid-roll advertisement
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Telecommunications provider featured in advertisement segment
Cannington College
Educational institution advertising agricultural and environmental programs
People
Kristen Davis
Host of the podcast discussing Sex and the City Season 4 Episode 5
Tracy Toms
Guest discussing Sex and the City analysis, character typecasting, and acting career
Graham Norton
Mentioned as host of 'The Neighborhood' drama series on ITV1
Sarah Jessica Parker
Discussed for her insights on emotional wallowing and song choices in Sex and the City
Amanda Peet
Referenced for discussing longing as central concept in romantic comedies
Sarah Paulson
Mentioned in context of discussing longing in rom-coms and Ryan Murphy productions
Meryl Streep
Featured in Devil Wears Prada Part 2 press tour with Anna Wintour
Anna Wintour
Featured on Vogue cover with Meryl Streep for Devil Wears Prada Part 2 promotion
Chloe Malle
New head editor of Oak magazine, daughter of Candace Bergen, discussed on podcast
Candace Bergen
Mother of Chloe Malle, played Eid at the edit book
Julianne Moore
Discussed for Oscar-nominated performance in Alzheimer's-themed film
Alec Baldwin
Co-starred in Alzheimer's-themed film with Julianne Moore
Quotes
"We women, we like to push on our bruises."
Sarah Jessica Parker (referenced by Kristen Davis)Mid-episode discussion on emotional wallowing
"That's what movies are for. You're supposed to sit in your feelings."
Kristen DavisDiscussion of catharsis in film
"If a woman throws up, she's pregnant. If she has a drink, oh, she has a problem."
Kristen DavisDiscussion of female character stereotypes in modern television
"I have a certain gravitas I've been told. Where people just want to talk to me."
Tracy TomsDiscussion of typecasting and professional niche
"Whenever a man, a grown man refer to his mother as mother. Well, mother says this. No, no, no. It's a problem."
Tracy TomsDiscussion of Trey's relationship with his mother Bunny
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The Garden for Everyone make it bloom with British Garden Centers. Neighbours. We all have them. But what if you had the chance to remove the ones you liked the least? Welcome to The Neighborhood. If you're going to stab someone in the back, at least smile first. Don't come for the Scarves house and get away with it. Join me, Graham Norton, as I bring the drama to your doorstep in a new show like no other. We basically see as our biggest threat. They are silent assassins. Obviously my instant coffee's not good enough. The Neighborhood starts Friday 24th of April on ITV1 and ITVX. Time to sharpen the knife again. Bring on the ding dong. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two, we have Tracy Toms with us today. We are going to talk episode five of season four called Ghost Town. Do you remember when Carrie takes the plant to scout the new bar that Steve and Aiden have invested in together? So she gets, as she, Miranda invites her, oh, she gets an invitation and she thinks that Aiden must have invited her. And she's trying to get her mind around that she can go, but then she's so torn about it. So we're not going, we're going. Right. And then she takes the plant to give well wishes to Steve and she sees him and he's his regular kind of like bubbly, you know, innocent self. And she's so adorable. I know he's so adorable, really adorable, but he seems so incredibly young. I'm like somewhat taken aback every time I see him in these older episodes. Like he seems like he's 25 years old. It's interesting, but it's his energy, you know, because he's not younger than us. I don't think. I was surprised. Actually, he came to do an episode of Cold Case when I was on Cold Case. And I was surprised at how like more mature he was. Yeah. Because I was used to him, his energy on the show. You know, whatever. I do know what you mean. You know, and when I came, I was like, oh, you're a grown up. A grown up. 100%. And I feel like the Steve in and just like that is more like a grown up too. Right. Obviously. But it is still surprising to see the young Steve. He's like a bubbly. So young. Yeah. And Miranda is so much the adult that it's interesting. But that's partly what works about them. But when Carrie goes to take the plant, I love how they filmed it because they kind of film it spooky, right? Like the light is on the street, but it's dark in the bar. And the bar is a lot like dark wood and very masculine. Yeah, it's very cool. And then you hear Aiden's voice and she runs. It's really good. Yeah, it's really, really good. But then the best part and we're jumping around, but it's okay. The best part is when so then she does go and Samantha comes to the bar opening. Even though she thinks that Steve basically says to her like, oh Aiden didn't invite you. I invited you. So then Carrie's all in her head. Like, I should have come and he invited me. But then she ends up going because I think she just so really wants to see him has built it up. The curiosity, but never let her not go. They're all going to go and she's not going to go. Of course she's going. She has a worker. But then she sees him across the room and of course he looks fantastic. And he nods at her in this very aloof way. He's now the aloof one. It's interesting. That nod was like, she's like, that's it. That's all I get. I know. But that was so good. It was so perfect. And he was so good at being like, of course it's you. Right. Of course. I know. You're here. It was good. It was so good. So sparkly. I know. But also she's uncomfortable and it's nice to see her be uncomfortable because when you think about it, Carrie is not uncomfortable that often. She's usually kind of somewhat in charge or trying to be in charge. With big, she's trying to like, what if I do this or what if I do that? What if I show up at the door in this outfit? What if I show up at the door at that outfit? She's doing all her different Carrie things. But with Aiden, she's kind of thrown off her game. Which is good. Right. Because Aiden is so, he's so good. You know what I mean? And I love the complexity of it. I love that it's not a show. We're just like, oh yeah, she's gonna end up with big. Oh no, you don't know. When you see she and Corbett together, you're like, she should end up with Aiden. Yeah. And then back when big comes back, you're like, she should end up with big. Because they're all just so good. All so good. And the chemistry is great. And you don't know. You don't know. You don't know, but also isn't that how life is? You don't know who you're supposed to end up with. I don't think. No. I mean, you might think you know, but I don't know if you know. No. You think it's gonna be you and a certain person on the porch with rocking chairs. You're like, who's gonna be at the door? You're like, who's gonna be in this rocking chair with me? I think I know. Who knows? Speaking of which, let's talk about Charlotte for a second. I mean, man, she's in the bed store with the mom and Trey. Oh, Bonnie. He's just so innocent and all. I know, but it's like, whenever I hear a man, a grown man refer to his mother as mother. Well, mother says this. No, no, no. It's a problem. I agree. I also feel like if there's a man like, let's say over 35 and he talks about his mother a lot and or complains about his mother, that's not good. You need to be worked out. You need to have it worked out. You need to have it worked out and I also have a tendency to date mama's boys. You know what I mean? Because what's the alternative? They're somebody who doesn't like his mother. Right. No, that's not good. So it's always been there's that negotiation. For sure. You're like, okay, well, here's the mom and the mom's like, this is my son, my prized possession. See, I have a son. How do you navigate all this? I don't know. Are you worthy? You know what I mean? But don't you feel that way towards the girls and their people as well? It's something about a mom and a son. It's something about a mom and a son and especially a black mom and a black son. Okay, okay. Our family units are like, Got it. I always pass, by the way. Well, good. Of course you do. Of course you do. Always pass. But there is a moment of like, you are not sure you have to really like, the first time that the mom comes to your house and you're like cleaning like a crazy person. Of course. Of course. Okay, having dust anywhere. Got it. And that is not my ministry. I'm not like super neat at all. I'm a messy piles of things. Got it. I get it. I am too. Maybe it's the ADD or something. I don't know. Yes, but listen, I only have people on who have ADD. Oh, apparently. Yeah. I'm in the right place. Totally. Totally. Well, this is what brings me up also, thinking about the the Trey, Bunny, Charlotte, Triumvirate, right? You know, it's interesting in this episode because you can tell, like in the beginning, Charlotte was trying to please Bunny. Absolutely. That's what you do. Yeah, but now Bunny's like obviously shown her cards that she's not really a team Charlotte. You know what I'm saying? She's like, you're not good enough basically. Exactly. You know, and she's weird. So now Charlotte's kind of like, you know, oh God. And trying to shop with them, but she doesn't want this hard bed. Like Bunny's trying to get her to get another hard bed. I know. Bunny wants her to get a dust scur. I believe it has to be firm. The dust ruffle. Right. And she says like that it's un-presentable or some sh**, right? So it's like, you know, and it's so interesting, all the little details, but it makes perfect sense because like the whole detail thing and the detail of the picture that has been important to Charlotte, but this is what she's finding out is not actually important. Right. Which is good. Yeah. Right. The duck. Yeah, definitely. The duck. The duck. My God. The duck. Can you imagine having to live with ducks? Little mallards? Boo. Boo. And then he's like, well, mom, mom put a lot of time and energy into this. And mother does all of our houses. What? No. Right. I know it's like the weird part of Trey, you know, too. Yeah, it's weird. I was looking at him like... I know. It's not a good look. It's not. No, it's not a good look at all. It's not cute. He's like, are you grown man? Right. Right. It's not sexy. Are you an adult or you like it's not... It's not a sexy thing at all. No, I agree totally. But the thing that's hard for me and of course I have multitudes of layers of this because, you know, I was there or whatever, but you know when he's sick and she comes over and he just looks up at her at Bunny and he's just so adorable and innocent. How can you not love him? Yeah, I get it. Yeah. And he's adorable. He is. But that was not cute. No, but then like we're all rubbing. I know. Rubbing that stuff on his chest. And Bunny goes, no, on his stomach. I remember I had a hiccups. We had to break up the mucus. No move. I was like, oh God. And also I can just tell that Kyle is about to laugh. Like he's trying to lay there. Because it is ridiculous. You guys are rubbing him. We're just like, he's vigorously like rubbing. This is my job. I'm the woman. This is my job. It's kind of crazy. Get out of here Bunny. And then there is the weird part at the end. We're just going to cut to the end because like then we're having sex and I'm on top of him and she barges in and we're just like, hello. With some muffins or something. Yes, she's got the muffin. But then her exit, like when she's all flustered, is so adorable. She's so good. She really is. I love her every time. Me too. Me too. Oh my God. The Mist. Oh my God. The movie The Mist? Was he in that? No. That's all I'm going to say. The Mist. Okay you guys, we have to go look at Franny Sternhagen and The Mist. It's a Stephen King. Oh, is she scary? No. No, she's not. But the movie is brilliant. The Southwest. Famous for our countryside. So if you want to create in green skills, working with nature, animals or clean energy, study where it all happens. Cannington College. From our borough culture to animal management. Hands on learning with Cutting Edge Facilities, including the Cannington AirQuine Centre and National College for Nuclear. Register now for our next event, Wednesday the 29th of April from 6 until 8pm. Search UCSCollegeGroup.ac.uk. Let's discuss Samantha and Maria. Man, oh man. I mean this thing hasn't lasted long. It's hilarious though. Because Maria is just so like, what are you doing? Right. Like who do you think your woman is? I mean the way they got together at the art show, Maria's art show, it was pretty quick. I don't think she really knew. You know, I don't think she did her research. Right. But it seems like it would be. I mean, I think she did her research. But it seems like it would be obvious. I know. It totally seems obvious. But Maria is not down. Samantha does not seem like a settle down. No. But it is interesting that she wants to try. Right? But I feel bad for Maria. I'm like no, she does not really want to try. No, she doesn't really want to try. And she thought she was probably trying to be a good person. I mean, I don't know. I mean, Samantha's always unapologetic about her stuff. I don't think she's like any human being ever now. They're like, okay, enough now. I've done. Maybe. I've been out here. Well, let's try something different. Let's try this. Maybe as I get older, this will be nice. Right. But she does not want to be sitting in that bathtub. That bathtub scene lasted a long time. It was so uncomfortable. Wasn't it? And Maria's just trying, but then Maria's kind of mad. I go, oh Lord. And jumps out of the, yes. I don't want to talk anymore. Talk, talk. We're talking. Yeah, she does not want to be a lesbian. Because I do think that the lesbians enjoy talking. And sometimes it seems like that would be great. Yeah. But then maybe not. Maybe not. I'm not a pure Samantha. All right, Miranda. So this is interesting. I'm going to go back to Miranda and Carrie in this episode that I thought were so interesting where they basically both are asking each other. Do you still have feelings about Steve? Do you still have feelings about Aiden? And they're both like, I don't think so. And I'm like, do they not know themselves at all? Yeah, I don't even know how. It's so obvious, right? How... I, yeah, I don't know how that happens. Because obviously, if you saw strong enough feelings, both of them, strong enough feelings that they're going to like get back together with the people. And not that long in the distance. And it's obvious. I know. I don't have any feelings at all. But I do feel like that is a thing that you do with your girlfriends, right? Where you're like, no, no. I mean, denial is pretty strong. But then in your head, you kind of know that you're thinking about them. Yeah, it'll be fine. You know you're thinking about them. But you're like, it's in the past, it's over. You don't have any self-preservation because you don't know if the other person still feels a way about you. So you're just telling yourself it's over because you don't want... We're done. Right, but there is this one weird thing with Miranda and Steve. So she's in her apartment, she thinks she has a ghost. You know, he's opening this bar and she's like, well, that was my idea. And then they have the really sweet scene when she... And he gives her credit. Yes. And this is partly why I think they work out, right? Is that like, he always does give her credit. You know, she is kind of seen for what she can contribute, you know, in a way that's really sweet. Right? Like he sees the sweet side of her. She's like, oh, she's awesome. Right, it kind of like takes her... Oh, you were giving the credit? Why would I give you credit? Right, it's nice. It's really nice. Exactly, but she expects not to get the credit. And then she gets the credit and she's like, wow, oh gosh. But then later she says to Carrie, that Carrie was supposed to be there with her and that Steve tried to kiss her, but you don't see it. And like one of my producers were writing the notes, they were like, that's so weird. And I thought about it and I do think it's weird because usually you would see something like that. So I don't know if there was some reason that we don't see it or if it got cut or I don't know what happened. Like every once in a while we would have like a scheduled drama where we couldn't film something. Like we'd run out of time at a location or something like that. And I wonder because that would have been at the bar opening, right? And that's after that. But that's when Aiden and Carrie have the cake scene. Yeah, and then Yusif comes out, right? Right. And says we're going to make the toast. And usually if we're on location, we're shooting till the sun comes up. You know what I mean? So maybe we ran out at night time. You could imagine it. Yeah, I mean it could happen. Exactly. So she just says like, oh yes, Steve tried to kiss me. She says it on the phone to Carrie, which is kind of funny because normally that would be really important. We don't see it. We just hear about it. And she's all like, you know, like it was nothing. But I feel like whenever they're talking, Steve and Miranda, you can tell that there's unresolved things. Yeah, but he's so, he's always so like longing. He plays longing so well. You're so right. And she doesn't have any longing. No, she doesn't have any. This is interesting. Because longing, someone was talking about this, some other actress, Amanda Pete was saying that she and, um, Oh my God, what's your best friend who's in all the Ryan Murphy? Oh, uh, you know, Sarah, yes. Paulson. Yes, Sarah Paulson and she were discussing longing as part of rom-coms. Yeah. And it's really interesting concept to think of. I do think it's a central part of romantic comedies that work. Yeah. That there's a longing and it might be expressed or it might just be under the surface. But I think it's important and I think it's something that women really relate to and probably men too, right? Yeah. I don't know. Um, but definitely women. And I think all of us have so much longing for so many things, right? And different things at different times of life or whatever. Yeah. But I think it's also interesting because sometimes it's that thing that you don't want to admit. You don't want to admit that you're longing for this. Right. I think that's one of the good things about Charlotte is Charlotte always admits that she's longing. Always admits it. She doesn't believe the longing. Whereas Carrie is kind of like covered, covered and even covered from herself. Right. So Miranda is saying like, do you still have feelings for Aiden? She's like, no, no, no, no. No. I just went into a whole tizzy. Exactly. I'm 100% and I'm like, I can't go. I can't go. I can't go. No, no, no, it's fine. Exactly. If it was fine, you... Exactly. I mean, you know, you do this, you know, just like we don't want to admit, you know? Well, yeah, it was longing. Then there's pain and suffering and sadness that comes if you don't get what you want. And you were longing for too long and... That it's sad. It's like a sad. It becomes a wallow. Right. It's a fine line. I remember when we did the first movie and there's that whole New Year's Eve sequence where Carrie puts on her coat to go out to Miranda's. And they play that really song, sad version of Old Lang Syne. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember this is like Scottish or Irish or something and it's kind of like really leaning into your feelings? And Sarah Jessica said to me, I said, oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that song choice. And she was like, no, no, it's really good. It's really good because, you know, we women, we like to push on our bruises. I was like, oh, that's so smart, Sarah. Ooh. And I thought to myself, right? And I also thought like that's what movies are for. That is what they're for. You're supposed to sit in your feelings. You know what I mean? It's a way. It's a way to... Yeah, and then you can start getting... This is gonna get really weird. You start to get addicted to the feeling of wallowing and longing. Cause that's true. Right. Limerence, I think they call that limerence. Oh, yeah. It's just you just get addicted to feeling. It's like a cycle in your brain. That's not healthy. No, it's not. You've got to break out of that. It's also a ADD thing. Right? That's so true. I just learned that reason. I'm like, oh, no wonder I can't get over people when I break up with them. That's important. You've got to move on. It's a loop. That's right. I also think like if you think about art and movies, that's why it's important is to go in the experience and the darkness with the strangers, have the feelings, and then walk out. And then get it out. Like catharsis, like the original idea of theater, you know? Yeah. I remember the first time I saw the notebook. It was like that. Oh, yeah. I was in it. I was in it and that's how it was really in my feeling. Sure. We were younger. Yeah. And I was in it with this dude. I was just like, uh-oh. You know, whatever. You saw the notebook right in the middle of that? I saw the notebook while I was in it and I was just like in console. I was crying so... And I'm not a crier. I'm not like an emotional person. So if it gets me, it's broken. Oh no. It tapped in. I was crying so hard. I was laughing at myself. You could laugh at yourself? That's amazing. What's happening? Oh, that's good. But that's true. Catharsis, I think. That's like literally coming on your body. And then I took my friend to see if I was crazy and the same thing happened to her. Oh, for sure. No, no. The notebook's really good. She was like, oh my god. I was just on a plane. I was on a 10-hour flight. And I'd seen everything and the notebook was there and I was like, should I? And then I was like, no. I can't go there. So I watched The Nerds again instead because that's a different type. You don't even think? But I was like, I can't. I can't go to the place of the notebook right now. I can't ever watch that movie again. And what's more is my mom died of Alzheimer's. So I really, really can't see it. And I told my dad. I said, dad, don't ever watch the movie. No. He was like, why? Oh, General, it's a good movie. I think it's a good movie. And my dad, if you know what's good for you, because I'm not here to tell you not to watch it. Right. I mean, he also might need his own thought process. He might, but... No, that's hard. Like that or like away from her in that movie, away from her? Who was that? I feel like I saw that. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. What was the one with Julianne Moore gets early on set? Oh, I don't know. With Alec Baldwin, she goes to the blackboard and writes her number on it, and then she can't remember the number. Oh, it's really good. Thank you so much, Houston. Good job. She was great. So great. Wait, what's away from her? Away from her. She was on me for an Oscar for it too. Yeah. She's so good. And basically away from her, she gets diagnosed. She was with her husband and they're like this long term loving relationship. They cross country ski all the time. Oh. And very fit, active, you know, way of people. And one day she's coming, she's cross country skiing, and she has no idea where she is. She's, she's like, it's lost. Horrible. And she does it every day, you know? Does the same ski thing every day, and she gets lost in the woods. Oh, no. She's falling against her. She's like, I... Horrible. Didn't know where it was. I couldn't get home. Oh, no. Oh, no. She says something's wrong. Something's wrong. Well, no, you just got turned around. No, no, no, no. No, I do this every day. Something's wrong. Gets her diagnosis. Oh, no. So then she goes and she picks out her own care facility. So she goes and visits care facilities and picks it out for herself. Wow. And you know, the husband is kind of like in denial about it. Like, no, no, no, no, it's going to be fun. No, I want to live here. I don't want you to take care of me. Wow. And then she starts to like deteriorate and he's visiting her every day. And she gets a boyfriend in the facility. What? Yeah. She doesn't remember him anymore. Yeah, so he has to... the husband has to watch this happening with another person. I miss this movie. And the doctors are like, this happens sometimes. They just... They just found some kind of connection. It's not personal and it's not, you know... It's interesting. Yeah, it's really... Also, dad, don't watch them. Right, I get it. I get it. Ssss. Get yours on EE Today. Results may vary depending on visual matches. Eligibility, credit check in terms of apply. Claim from Samsung within 30 days of purchase. Verify best network at EE.com. I have a really pressing question. You kind of said it, bro. I'm going to ask you anyway. Mm-hmm. Tracy, are you a Charlotte? I am a Charlotte. Adorable. I used to really, really be a Charlotte. And then now you're more like half and half? No, more Miranda. Okay, or more Miranda altogether. Yeah, I'm a Charlotte-Miranda mix. Combo, I like that combo. That combo, I think it's a good combo. I think it's a great combo. In terms of like day-to-day life, that's a really good combo. Somebody who can like identify their feelings about things and allow themselves to be passionate about it. Right. But also regulate yourself. Good. In a way that you don't make really bad, stupid decisions. I mean, look, the truth is Miranda and Charlotte both have made their fairest stupid decisions because they're human beings. Yes. And that's one of the great things about looking back at the show is everybody was imperfect, which I guess they can't really write now. You know, it's interesting. It is hard. We're in a hard moment for art. Right? And also just for like what's getting green lit for the streamers. You know, it's not a time where people are thinking like, well, we're in a really hard moment for art. It's a time where people are thinking like, well, let's celebrate imperfect characters. That's not really happening so much right now. You know? Right. That's so, Carrie Washington's show called Imperfect Women. They're trying. Are they? Good for them. The three of them are... Oh, they're all a mess? They're messy. Yeah. Well, good. In different ways. I think the thing, because that's a limited series, right? Sometimes with a limited series, I feel like you can do things that you can't do in an ongoing show. Having all of these limited series, right? Is that they kind of stand alone. And you don't have to have someone buy in in the same way. I feel like a show, you're asking people to really buy into those characters long term. And now everyone's so concerned. Like, can we show this? Can we show that? Can we do this? Can we do that? What if they smoke a cigarette? Oh my God! Oh God, we can't have that. Right, but then I just read the other day, like cigarettes are coming back. Yeah. But that's a villain. A villain would smoke a cigarette. Like it's all really interesting. Like how did we get here? It really is. A villain would smoke a cigarette. And women who drink are raging alcoholics. Which is crazy! I'm like, if a woman throws up, she's pregnant. Wow. If a woman... We've distilled everything down to just like symbols. If a woman throws up, oh, she's pregnant. Okay, great. If she has a drink, oh, she has a problem. Wow. Men could still come home after work and have a drink. Every single character in Sex with the City drank. I mean, a lot too. And it was discussed. It's not that it wasn't discussed. It wasn't... We weren't vilified for it. No, not at all. It was sexy. And the drinks were pretty. Yes, definitely. And occasionally, they would drink too much and then they would regret it. So it wasn't like it was totally fake. Yeah, for sure. You get sick and... Yeah. It wasn't carry thrown up or something. And just like that. Miranda had a storyline where she throws up on a guy, but they cut it. Oh, yeah. Because they thought it was too much. Too much, yeah. Which is kind of funny. It was kind of like a horror movie level. You know what I mean? Yeah. But then, I mean, like one time, I get food poisoning with Harry, but that was a different... That was like, because we were so perfect or whatever, like too happy. So we get food poisoning on Valentine's Day. That was just to like make us suffer a little bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, there were different things. I can't really remember carry. But if people would be hungover, you know what I mean? And people would do stupid things when they drank too much. I think that was the part. Yeah, but it's just... It was part of... It was part of the life. The life in New York City. Right. Back in the day, that was real. But now it's like... No, I know. It's a different time. My God, it's a different time. I know. It's crazy. It is. So you've played all kinds of different characters and cops and whatnot. Cops, lawyers. Do you enjoy the cops? Do you enjoy the lawyers? I do. I did used to do a lot of cops and lawyers, but now I'm like wives and best friends. I do a lot of best friends stuff. Do you like that? Or no? It's fun. Yeah. It's like... People are like, oh my God, do you think you get a typecast? Or... Or I'm like, well, I'll look at it more and I'm like, it's a niche. You know what I mean? I do. It's easier to have a niche. I think it is easier to have a niche. I think so too. I mean, that's the alternative, right? People always leave that out, right? They're like, oh, you get typecast, and I'm like, yeah, but if I work, it's all fine. I think it's fine. Thank you. And I can make it interesting for myself. Most definitely, right? I think that's the key. Yeah, and it's just the quality about me. You know what I mean? Right. I think I have a certain gravitas I've been told. Definitely. Where people just want to talk to me. Right, which is a great thing. Which is the characters I play. So my brother's like, you always play the listening character. So I'm like, so playing cops, I don't play like beat cops. I play like detectives. And then what happened? Got it. And then I play lots of therapists now. Lots of therapists. I like that. I had one small moment playing the boss bitches, which was really fun. Oh, that's fun. Had a boss bitch season. Love it. But now I'm... I never get to play cops. I really want to play a cop one day. You should. Yeah, I did play an FBI agent once, but I was an FBI agent who was undercover with the criminals. And then at a certain point, I leave and I'm just an FBI agent in a jacket with the gun. And I was like, oh, God, I hope someone doesn't think this is dumb. You always have that fear as an actor, right? Because it's just not my niche, as we're speaking. But I would like it to be, you know? Yeah, cops are fine. It's just that they usually just have a lot of... I mean, because I do the FBI agency, IA detective cop things. There's always a lot of words. All the things. A lot of words. A lot of words. Better than a medical doctor. Better than a medical doctor. I do nurses, not doctors. Oh, nurses. That's a little better. Not weird? No. I've played several nurses, but never doctors. I know, I know. Except for on... and falsettos on Broadway, I played a doctor. Well, that's important. Yeah. That's good. I mean, I think also, unfortunately, it's like, you know... I do feel like the pit is doing a good job of trying to shake some of this stuff up because a lot of it is about testing, right? And like, who is a nurse needs to be shaken up a bit. Like, they have those male nurses, which is great. And then they have many different women of color and all different things, and then some of them are leaving, and they better be, you know, promoting others because, you know, we don't want to have stress in that regard because they were doing so great. Yeah. Right? All the actors are so good. The pit is like, I have to binge it because it stresses me out so badly that I can't have the end. I know, I know. I tend to watch it before bed because I have a tiny window when my children have gone to bed, but it's too stressful to watch it before bed. Yeah, it's really good on a plane because you can really just be it. Yeah, and you feel like you went to med school. Definitely. But oh, that potassium's too high. How do I know about that? But I'm like, oh, the potassium's high. That means something's really wrong with this guy. That's a very popular one. That's a very popular one. I have never played a doctor, I don't think, that I can think of. No, I would like to play a doctor, though I do feel like I'd be scared because it's a lot of words. It's a lot of words, but also like the ick factor. I'm just like, ooh, lord, I just have to seriously act here. You would, but also you'd be there and you'd see the makeup person come and put the thing and you're like, oh, this is... You don't have to act. You don't have to act. You come and put the thing and you're like, oh, this looks cool. You're very good at your job. Right, that's good. It doesn't really freak you out because it's just like... Fake, yeah. You see the bells and whistles. Yeah, you know how the sauce is just made. It doesn't really... And you do it over and over again, it's not... It just gets sticky after a while. The fake blood gets really sticky. No, that makes sense. I've worked with a lot of dogs and sometimes you have to hide kind of like that. Just like that. Well, you've been a joy. Thank you so much. You're so excited to see Devil Wears Part 2. Oh, thank you. Me too. I've not seen it. Ooh, that's going to be a lot. I haven't seen it. I don't think Molly's seen it either. I haven't checked in with her. I need to check in again. She invited me to go to the premiere, but I couldn't make it. I feel so sad. I would love to go to the premiere, but it's going to be really big and crazy. Yes. But fun. I'm looking forward to it. I'm taking my partner and my father and my brother. That's fantastic. Me and the boys. That's great. I love it. That's really good. I think it'll be really good. I have good feelings about it. I'm there to support. Well, thank you. I want a red bag to put my popcorn in. It's adorable and whoever thought of that... It's a genius. Right? And even their press tour... It's good. It's really good. Putting Meryl and Anna Wintour together is... Fantastic. I'm so glad Meryl talked her into it. It's really good. It's really, really good. We had Chloe Maul on before she was named the new head editor of Oak. She's Candace Berkins' daughter, so we know her from... She described herself as a sexy and sissy Nepo baby. Oh, hilarious. Candace played Eid at the edit book. So she came on and I follow her and she said that she had asked Anna a while ago if she would ever think about being on the cover with Meryl. And Anna was like, no, it's not my style. And Chloe said, okay, and kind of dropped it, but then Meryl talked her into it. Oh, good. And it's so good. It's iconic. It's fantastic. It is. She's like in profile and... Love it so much. And Meryl's having so much fun. Meryl's having a good time. I can tell. I was like, oh, they're in Korea today. Oh, now they're in Japan. I mean, I find out where they are. It's fantastic. I know. There's Mexico City. I know. It's fantastic. And I love it so much. And I want there to be more female-led films out there because it's so enjoyable. Yeah, there's so many great women in this movie. Exactly. So many. Exactly. So. I'm so glad it got made. Yeah. God, we need more. Gotta keep it going. Yeah. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. It was really fun.