Hour 1: THAT'S WEIRD, RIGHT? (feat. Michael Wilbon & Dave Dameshek)
42 min
•Feb 6, 20264 months agoSummary
The Dan Le Batard Show covers Super Bowl 60 with Dave Dameshek's Media Night coverage, featuring analysis of the Patriots vs. Seahawks matchup, and a candid interview with Michael Wilbon about the Washington Post's dismantling of its sports department and broader concerns about modern sports media and the NBA.
Insights
- Major institutional decline in traditional sports media is driven by executive decisions and cost-cutting rather than inevitable market forces, with consequences for journalism quality and institutional knowledge
- The NFL betting market shows significant public consensus (Seahawks -4.5) despite Patriots having legitimate competitive pathways through Drake May's mobility and defensive matchups
- Modern NBA load management and fragmented broadcast distribution are creating accessibility barriers even for industry professionals, suggesting systemic problems beyond generational preferences
- Sports journalism specialization by ESPN and other outlets has eliminated the generalist reporter model, reducing institutional depth and cross-sport expertise
- Athletic performance optimization now includes extreme physical modifications (e.g., penis injections in skiing) for marginal competitive advantages, reflecting intensity of elite sports competition
Trends
Decline of traditional newspaper sports sections as cost centers rather than prestige assetsIncreasing fragmentation of sports broadcast rights across multiple streaming platforms reducing discoverabilityLoad management and injury prevention becoming normalized despite improved medical technology and athlete conditioningRise of extreme biohacking and body modification tactics in Olympic and elite sportsShift from generalist to specialist sports media talent, reducing institutional knowledge transferPublic betting consensus diverging from expert analysis in major sporting eventsExecutive decision-making prioritizing short-term cost reduction over institutional legacy in media
Topics
Super Bowl 60 Patriots vs. Seahawks matchup analysisNFL quarterback performance and mobility (Drake May)Advanced sports metrics (DVOA) vs. subjective evaluationWashington Post sports section closure and media industry consolidationNBA load management and player availabilitySports broadcast fragmentation across streaming platformsAll-Star Game format and entertainment valueGeneralist vs. specialist sports journalism modelsOlympic athlete performance optimization techniquesBetting line analysis and public consensusProfessional sports uniforms and competitive advantagesBoxing's decline as a mainstream sportCollege basketball evolution and player movement
Companies
Washington Post
Sports section dismantled by executives; subject of Michael Wilbon's criticism regarding editorial decisions and staf...
ESPN
Criticized for creating specialist-only sports media model, eliminating generalist reporters and institutional knowledge
DraftKings
Sportsbook sponsor providing betting lines and analysis for Super Bowl and Olympic events
Miller Lite
Beer brand sponsor with advertisement during episode
Quervo
Tequila brand sponsor with advertisement during episode
The Athletic
Sports media outlet publishing stories about NFL player halftime show opinions and Olympic athlete performance enhanc...
New York Times
Co-published story with The Athletic about Olympic skiers using performance enhancement techniques
People
Michael Wilbon
Discussed 31-year career at Washington Post, criticized executive decisions to dismantle sports section and treat sta...
Dave Dameshek
Conducted Super Bowl Media Night coverage and interviews, performed recurring 'must-win game' bit with players
Dan Le Batard
Show host conducting interviews and sports analysis throughout episode
Stugotz
Co-host providing commentary and analysis on sports topics
Will Lewis
Criticized by Wilbon for dismantling the Washington Post sports department
Jeff Bezos
Called 'lightweight' by Wilbon for not protecting editorial independence and allowing sports section closure
Drake May
Analyzed for Super Bowl 60 matchup; praised for exceptional mobility and deep ball accuracy
Sam Darnold
Starting QB for Seahawks in Super Bowl 60; discussed for inconsistency and recent postseason performance
Kenneth Walker
Predicted as Super Bowl 60 MVP for recent performance as pass catcher and runner
Charles Barkley
Mentioned by Wilbon as unable to locate NBA games due to fragmented broadcast distribution
Tony Kornheiser
Worked with Wilbon at Washington Post sports section for many years
Quotes
"I walked in the door there as an intern at 20 years old and I left at 51. I worked the first 31 years of my adult life at the Washington Post. Proudly, arrogantly, enthusiastically, it's responsible for everything I have. So I'm pissed off."
Michael Wilbon
"He's just a lightweight at best. He's just another afraid dude. You, you, you, man, I can't even imagine having that money and being afraid of a constituency or a dude in the White House."
Michael Wilbon
"The athletes now are bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, then how come their asses are hurt every night? They're the best in treatment in medicine and technology and equipment. Dudes used to wear canvas shoes with no tape. And they played 82."
Michael Wilbon
"It's the signal that says we're not checking the time anymore, pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. That's the kind of energy that Quervo brings."
Stugotz
"That's weird, right?"
Dave Dameshek
Full Transcript
This is the Don Lebator Show with the Stugatz Podcast. MUSIC Hi and hello my fellow football Americans. It's your old pal Dave Damashek. It's Super Bowl 60 Media Night. Some people here are going to answer questions. Other people are going to ask questions. Which one am I? Let's find out. Do you think that Tom Brady wants to see you win a Super Bowl, becoming the second Patriots QB to win one? That's a good question. I think it's something you have to ask him. Do you think it's weird that the New England Patriots are named after the revolutionary soldiers who beat back the Brits? But now when the Patriots honor the best players they've ever had, what do they give them? A red coat. That's weird, isn't it? Does that make Seattle now America's team? Yeah, I don't know the whole history behind the Patriots, the red coats. But that's weird, right? Then we beat the Brits and they're wearing red coats. I think they're announcing something about themselves. So you're saying they represent the Brits? Yeah, that's what it says like they're telling us. And you're saying since we wear Navy, we use the America's team. And the last team you were on proved fraudulent. They're not America's team. Is it the Seahawks now? Well, that's not for America, I ask her. Let's start a poll. We're getting the ball down the field. The clock's ticking down. I'm going to run out onto the field in a second here to try and win the Super Bowl. You haven't given time to thinking that one through? If the moment happens, it happens. But I'm just trying to keep it all the same. If it does happen, now that we've had this conversation, will you think of me? First off, let's talk about the mustache. What went into it? I've never grown a mustache in my life. I really can't, as you can tell. No, I can tell. I was going to say as much. Got into the season, we lost. I shaved it. We won. I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to keep this a winning-losing thing. And Sam Darnall and the boys just decided to win a lot of football games in a row. And so that's why I still have it. You would like to play in the Super Bowl, right? Yeah, maybe let me hand it off a couple of times. Drew Locke says that he would like to take a few snaps in the Super Bowl. Can you make that happen, despite the fact that the guy can't even grow a decent mustache? Oh man, that's your opinion. I think his mustache looks great. Coach, given the Hearsuit quality of your starting quarterback and never mind the backup... The what? The what quality of him? The Hearsuit. The beard. That red beard that he wears. Harry. Alright. If you throw a touchdown in the Super Bowl, will you do this? Like twist your mustache? I was like, ha ha ha ha ha. Probably not. I don't know if I can really reach through the helmet too easily. Stefan, have you seen a picture of yourself getting off the plane the other day? Yeah. Man, you look crazy. You think so? I mean, I don't think I could pull that look off. Yeah, it was like some archive Chanel, some old Jacques Mouss boots. Like some stuff that you probably not even interested in. No, I'm interested. I just couldn't pull it off. It's all God. Let you hold the next outfit. Is this a must win game? A must win? Every time we go out, this is a must win game. Is this a must win game? Is every game a must win game? Every game is a must win game. Is this a must win game? I think you just ask that yourself and see what you want me to say to that. Dave, is this a must win game? I think it is. It's the super. There we go. What is Drake thing? There we go. Exact same thing you just said. We did it. Ask questions. You just saw me do that. I hope you enjoyed it. I certainly did. Damn it, check out. That was excellent. I really enjoyed that the first time. I enjoyed it just as much as the second time. Mike, what was your favorite part of that? There's a degree of difficulty. Not many people actually make good stuff from media, Dave, even though plenty of people are there trying to make funny stuff. You were delighted. I rarely hear Mike roar with laughter at anything. And it's just because Yammercheck is being Yammercheck, correct? But that's weird. But that's weird, right? You look crazy. What were your thoughts there as you did that? How did you feel about your work? And how have you enjoyed Super Bowl week out there? Couldn't be prouder, Dave. Couldn't be prouder of what my life's added up to taking me to this point. Listen, it's a must-win game. That's what I'm here to report. How many times have you done that in a row? How many years in a row have you gone to the Super Bowl and asked people if it were a must-win game? Is it more than a decade now? Oh, I didn't do it the last couple of years, but yeah, I've done it off and on. I bet you I've done that at least about 10 times now. And I always feel, I always get pangs of days before. Boy, is this pretty hacky, just doing the same bit, just asking them if it's a must-win game. And I can rationalize that it's okay because the responders stay fresh. They keep it fresh. And it really also hinges on some third-party, self-serious person nearby hearing it and then reporting it out to the world. Some idiot just asked if this is a must-win game. Media night sucks. And then once it gets out into the world, that's when I become delighted. But that's weird, right? How much did Jason Myers hate you, Dave? Jason Myers did not seem impressed. He didn't, but I think we can all agree that he is going to think about me if he has to run out there for the game-winning kick. I also thought about asking, because people are underwhelmed if you haven't heard by this Super Bowl matchup, and that's what we've talked about, parity equals mediocrity. And now nobody knows who these teams are, really, because we don't have dynasties, I guess. And so people are underwhelmed. I think it would have been funny, but I thought too rude to ask the Patriots, can they name five members of the Seahawks? And the Seahawks, if they could name five members of the Patriots, if they could? No, you should have done that. That would have been great. I bet they wouldn't have, right? There's no way that the Seahawks could name five guys on the Patriots. I would have liked to see them stammer and try and figure out the answer to your question and not being able to do it by numbers, which is how some of these guys do film work. But help answer a couple of questions for us from earlier in the show. We're waiting for Michael Wielbahn here. He'll be here shortly to talk about what's going on at the Washington Post. But we were talking before about defensive metrics and the advanced metrics in sports. Football America does a very good job, Mondays and Fridays, of tackling history, tackling analysis, tackling funny. I don't know if you feel like you can accurately answer this question, but how do you answer the question of, is Seattle's defense actually better than Denver and Houston's, even though according to DVOA it is? To my eye, that's what I mean. Listen, we've talked about it. I rely more on what my heart, my gut tell me than what those numbers say, Dan. But yeah, I think the Texans had a vibe of being more overwhelming in the second half of the season in terms of just, if they get ahead of you, they're going to unleash the hounds and your QB is going to struggle. I think it's a negligible difference at least between the Texans and the Seahawks. And I don't feel like the Broncos are as good, but you know, what have you done for me lately and what did we just last see? And I'm surprised there hasn't been more conversation about the performance that the Seahawks most recently put out there. I mean, the Rams are great and a lot of people, including you, Dan, very clearly, really, Dan really liked those Rams, even more than I did and a lot of other people did. The Rams were real good, but I mean, think about it, that's an all-time dominant defense, what we just saw in Seattle. If you measure it based on that, it's not, last scene wasn't that great. I remember the Tampa game against Seattle in Seattle where Baker was better than Sam Darnold somehow and I'm holding it against the Seahawks. How great were those uniforms, Dave? One of the greatest games of all time. We talked about it already and I don't want to get bogged down with it, but I'm plum-sicking my balls about the fact that we have to look at the mess that we're going to look at, but we already went over this and what's done is done. Your what? But that's weird, right? You're plum-sicking your balls? That's right. What do you mean that's right? I don't even know that's wrong. It's not right, it's wrong. Not a good feeling. I'm just trying to be... But I don't even know what that feeling is. What does it mean to be plum-sicking my balls? Do you ever get punched down below? Anybody just gives you a good grazing and you feel that... Not a punch, in fact. If you get a grazing down there, that feeling, you get kind of nauseated. That's what I mean. And I'm at that spiritually. My TV's going to go on and I'm going to be feeling sick in my balls because I'm going to be looking at whatever mess that Patriots get up is supposed to be instead of the glorious Pat Patriots against the royal blue and the silver of the Seahawks OG get-ups. Oh, yes. You don't care, Dan, but Mike and I know. It's not that I don't care. I'm just stuck on plum-sick in the balls. What is plum-sick? I don't even know what that expression means. I'll plum over the moon. You know, that kind of thing. It's like quite as a colloquialism. It's like, I'm quite sure. You know, I'm plum-sick in my balls. Now you get it. But that's weird, right? Thank you, Zas. And I'm sorry about the Florida Panthers. Let's go, Pence. Pence is doing real well, real well. On Dominique's live show last night, Marcus Spears came out and said, the notion that this is supposed to be some cakewalk for Seattle has really made me sick. Made me sick. Not in his balls though, huh? The people are betting Seattle. Minus four and a half. Can you believe this, Dan? I mean, for real, that is, you know, I bounced off of many dozens of people in San Francisco, which as a reminder, this is a Super Bowl 49 rematch in the home of the 49ers, which is the San Francisco 49ers, which is nowhere near San Francisco. It's very confusing. I know you guys were talking about the San Jose and San Francisco thing, but anyway, of the dozens of people that I bounced off of, mostly informed people, I don't get any sort of, any sort of positivity around the Patriots' chances in this game. It's really weird. It's not like it's a nine and a half, the number's nine and a half. It's four and a half. And everybody is on the Seahawks, right? But it's weird, right? Yes, it is weird. It is very strange to me that that's the case. And of course, we've gone round and round about obviously postseason QB wins, and Sam Darnold has now washed off the previous stink by winning a big-time postseason game, but he's still Sam Darnold. And that's, to me, the Patriots' chance, is that he could conceivably do what Sam Darnold sometimes does, which is throw three picks, and that can certainly swing the game. So, yeah, I mean, the thing I don't think is going to happen, though, is, and I think a lot of people are depending on this if you're trying to talk yourself into New England is, Boyd Drake May, he consistently makes plays with his legs. I think that's the thing that the Seahawks are going to be intent on taking away, because if they do, I really don't see where the Patriots are equipped to keep up against that Seahawks' feet. Well, I think the argument on back-to-back the argument on behalf of the Patriots is that, yes, Drake May can run better than anyone other than Josh Allen at the position. He is exceptional against the Blitz. Deep Ball is better than any Deep Ball in the league, but I also think an argument to be made on behalf of the Patriots is they've lost three times this season all by one score. Like, that team could be undefeated, and I don't think if it were undefeated, a whole lot of people would be questioning them in this Super Bowl. I mean, listen, the overstatement of, again, people talking themselves into something into this alleged truth is that the Patriots are a ham and egg team because the competition they played, there was no Virginia Tech out there for them. These were pro football teams that they were beating after all. And I don't like, as we discussed the last time, too, the thing that you immediately look at hyper-focus on is JSN really makes that Seahawks' offense go, and the Patriots have Christian Gonzalez, who you would think has a real good chance of slowing him down, quieting him a little bit, and then you think, what are the Seahawks going to do? The answer to me is Kenneth Walker. Look at what Kenneth Walker has done the last six weeks or so. He's been pretty undeniable as a pass catcher as well as running the ball. I think that's the difference in the game. I think Kenneth Walker ends up being your Super Bowl 60 MVP, but the bet that is most fun to make, not that you asked, is the safety bet. It's my favorite bet to make in a Super Bowl. It's the Yo 11 of pro football. You just sit there for 60 minutes and root for the ball to go into the end zone or go through the end zone or for a 300-pound man to fall. Again, with the recycled turds from Football America, Damashik, I need you to stop recycling. That's not a recycle. That's me trying to counsel the general public. Your audience, Dan, I'm trying to help them out to enjoy a little bit more. You know what would make it a little bit better? 11 to 1 odds when it comes through. That's what's going to be nice. You can't recycle these turds from Football America. Keep those over there and they won't become refreshed turds. I don't know why I'm being attacked in front of a legend. I see Michael Wilbine is waiting in the wing. That's it. Get out of the end, Damashik. This is what I get. I want to talk about the pro bowl and how it sticks. I want to tell you about the... Hey, by the way, congratulations to everybody who's anti-woke. You mean Wilbine flea the premises? They're not going to kid rock. Because you're yammering. I'll get great new turds. Take this, take this, wokes. I'm going to go listen to kid rock on purpose. Ha ha, I win again. Get him out of here. Football America, Monday and Fridays. I'm telling you, it's excellent. He's weird, right? He's weird, right? He's weird, right? You look crazy. He's weird, right? Get him out of here. Enough. Get those bad boys on ice. I'm going to take that first sip. I'm going to look at Mocheta and say, you know what? We made the right call. Next thing you know, we'll be fully locked in. Somebody's pacing. Someone else is doing their live bracket math like it's a job. That's why you reach for Miller Lite. Just 96 calories and 3.2 carbs. The original Lite beer since 1975 and it still hits different. Cheers to legendary moments with Miller Lite. Great taste, 96 calories. Go to millerlite.com. To find delivery options near you. Pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Hey Roy Buddy. Yo. You know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody altogether in unison knows to stand up on their feet. Oh, absolutely, Mike. Yeah, you've been at many big time sporting events. You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of the Quervo. It's the signal that says we're not checking the time anymore, pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Quervo, man. It's at high five a random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people you never met before. That's the kind of energy that Quervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious. That's the Quervo effect. Keep it, Quervo. Folks, listen up. Draft King Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook for live betting is built for March. The tournament is unpredictable, but the rewards are guaranteed. And Draft King is delivering some of the most generous rewards in the market. New to Draft King's bet just $5 and get $200 in bonus bets instantly. Download the Draft King Sportsbook app now and use code DAN. That's code DAN to turn $5 into $200 in bonus bets instantly in partnership with Draft King's. The crown is yours. Thanks and bye bye. Bad boy! Bad boy! Stugads! Bad boy! Bad boy! Bad boy! Bad boy! Bad boy! Bad boy! Bad boy! Bad boy! This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugads! Let's get a real talker and a real broadcaster in here, Michael Willbond, pardon the interruption, and most famously, I think. The Washington Post and good God was I heartbroken to see everything that just happened at the Washington Post, and we welcome in Willbond here because for many years he and Kornheiser helped carry what has always been one of the greatest sports sections there has ever been. Now I don't know, Michael, how much you've been watching what Will Lewis, the guy who dismantled this sports department, was doing walking the NFL red carpet, but how are you feeling and thank you for making the time for us here during a busy time. How are you feeling about everything that's going on at the Washington Post? I'm not paying any attention to Will Lewis, I'm not paying any attention to any of the Washington Post execs and what they could be doing. I don't know them, I've never met them. I had little regard for them anyway long before any of this. And to be honest with you, I haven't joined any chat groups and text threads. It's disgusting, it's just heartening. It's as bad a feeling professionally as I've had in my life to know that the Washington Post sports section is gone essentially. And the newspaper is never, is just not going to be what it was. I walked in the door there as an intern at 20 years old and I left at 51. I worked the first 31 years of my adult life at the Washington Post. Proudly, arrogantly, enthusiastically, it's responsible for everything I have. So I'm pissed off. Who are you pissed off at? The world. I understand that there are conditions, things go away. Things go away bigger than the Washington Post. You know, when my dad was in the prime of his life, and even the prime of his life for sure, the three sports that mattered, the only three sports that mattered were boxing, baseball, and horse racing. Well, boxing is gone the way we knew it, right? I mean, don't tell me MMA. Boxing is gone. It doesn't exist in any form that resembles what obsessed America in the context of sports for 100 years from the 1880s to the 1980s. Horse racing doesn't exist in any form that he knew, and baseball is a place now where they tried out, you know, a bullpen day in the World Series. People would stop at windows in big cities at department stores to watch the World Series if they didn't have TV yet. So there are major institutions that go away, and there's nothing you can do about it, times change, interest changed, change fascinations changed, the way we consume things, it changes. And so am I mad at that? Yeah, that doesn't mean I don't understand it. But then mad at the people, the executives you started mentioning, who could have done some things to stave this off but didn't really care to or didn't understand how to or weren't smart enough to, either way, I'm pissed at them. It's just, it's, you know, you're howling at the moon. And this might have come anyway. It seems like it was coming anyway. The Washington Post is the only newspaper that's, you know, taking at least eight count. So I get it, but it doesn't mean I'm not angry about it. You called Bezos a lightweight, right? At least I could have been worse. He's a lightweight. You know, you know, what he did with Kamala Harris is, you know, the endorsement of the newspaper, what he did with, you know, the wonderful slogan, democracy dies in darkness. He's just a lightweight at best. He's just another afraid dude. You, you, you, man, I can't even imagine having that money and being afraid of a constituency or a dude in the White House or so beholden to just being what he is, which is a delivery man, he's great at it, the best ever. But just to be scared, just lightweight, just a cream puff. What do you do? If I really, if I saw him, I wouldn't shake his hand. Never met him. I wouldn't shake his hand. What do you do with the idea that Mike Ryan espoused on the show yesterday? Hey, these things have to make money. And I know you and I lived during a glorious time where the money was separated from the editorial. But in today's America and in capitalism, is Bezos supposed to just keep taking $100 million loss every year? Not necessarily, but there are ways to handle things, Danny. I'm not, again, I'm not saying I don't understand, but there are ways to handle things. And we can, you know, I'll compare it to sports. You know, you hear all the time, we, you and I hear all the time from athletes, we know, and they get traded or cut, released, whatever that they heard it on Sports Talk Radio. They heard the warriors decided to bring Draymond Green and then talk to him and say, Hey, here's what could happen. Bezos, do you mean Bezos and none of his agents, his lightweight agents can talk to a staff that they employ? I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying I don't understand, and it might have to go away. It didn't have to go away like this, where people are on assignment at the Winter Olympics and don't even know if they'll be kept there or brought home. This just lightweight, classless, gutless stuff that happens in every industry, and you hope it doesn't happen in yours, and this is happening not just in my industry, but to a place I called home for 30 years. Well, there are wartime journalists being let go in other countries. Never mind that they're not sending reporters to the National Spring Training or some of that. Yeah, exactly. We were just talking about the context of sports, but yes, I'm a yes. I know our correspondents for decades. Yes, as far more egregious than anything in sports, you asked me about my experience and what I'm focused in on and listening to and paying attention to. I'm not even paying attention to it. It's my little corner of the world, former corner of the world first, but yes, the whole newspaper. The Washington Post sits on my desk every day in my home. I don't just consume it digitally. I pay to receive it. The newspaper, like it's 1960. I grew up delivering newspapers when I was a kid in Chicago. Two of them. They're going to die too, probably. But I get the Washington Post here at my home. So I'm aware of everything that goes on in it, not just the sports section, but it all makes all of it. The way it was handled makes me angry. And I wouldn't, I would tell anybody that to their face. How dare you say boxing is dead when just recently we were given this moment in boxing and you're out here blaspheming against boxing no longer being as relevant as it was as this guy gets his toupee knocked off in the middle of the ring in a heavyweight fight that matters. He loses his hair. How dare you say boxing is dead. Yeah, these two dudes, that's a lie, because these two dudes ain't in any heavyweight fight that matters. Your corner of the world here when you speak of sports, your greatest passion is and always has been basketball. Not necessarily. I'm seasonal. I'm a seasonal dude. I mean, I have been more prominent in your face the last 15 years doing basketball. Before that, I did football. Before that, I did college basketball. Before that, I mean, there are times of tennis and golf. That's one of the things about the Washington Post. One of the things ESPN destroyed in the US. I'm blaming ESPN for making everybody a specialist. By the way, you see behind me behind my left ear is a picture of Joe Lewis raising Muhammad Ali's hand. That was boxing. But I interrupt. I'm sorry. I don't know yet. He has been destroying something. You know, that's cabinet for me. Yeah, I don't. But I don't even know what it is that you had them destroying with your special people. People being generalists. There are no generalists anymore. They're just specific shows, specific things where people host or report on specific things, not everything. You and I reported on every we did everything when college basketball season was over. I went to baseball. When baseball was over, I went to football and football was not over, but it kind of over. I went to basketball because it was basically over in December then. But my question on basketball was going to be as someone who clearly you love basketball, your son Matthew, you've taught him to love basketball. Yes, the sport today in its evolved form where players are getting hurt all over the place. They're playing a different style. Fifty threes a game. Everything that's happening in the sport. Do you love it the same way that you did? I hate it. I hate it this week more than ever. I wanted to come and sit down and watch a real game between Oklahoma City and San Antonio the other night. And then I find out half the people aren't playing, which is the norm. It's the norm for half the people you paid to see whether you paid to see in person or at home on one of the nine streaming surfaces that makes it so you don't even know where the games are. You don't even know where they are. Is it on Prime? Is it on ESPN? Is it on NBC? Where the NBA TV? Where the hell's the game? I can't find it. I was with Charles Barkley one night in Arizona recently. We're having dinner and we were like, Hey, we got to go watch that game. And Charles and I both look at each other go, Where's the game? Where is it? Two people who are employed to talk about basketball on national television don't know where the damn game. Yeah, but that's just old guys. That's not old guys. No, it isn't. It actually isn't. I asked my son about it. He's 17. He plays high school basketball. No, it isn't just old guys. It's funnier because it's old guys. You're right about that. But no, I don't know. I don't. I don't like what it's become. I don't like All Star Weekend. Talk about lightweight and talk about the NBA's had years to address and fix the All Star Game. And apparently is afraid to. Who do they not want to cross? They don't want to cross LeBron. They don't want to cross. Who is they don't want to offend? Steph, I doubt. I doubt it's those two guys because they are up for anything that that promotes and sells and makes the product better. But who are they? Who's the league afraid to offend? You want to put a game out there of international players versus US. You'd have interest in that. The moment the Super Bowl is over, you'd have fascination with that. I'm scared to do it. And they come up with three teams. It's just lazy. You know what it is. I know I'm not going to curse and say what I want to say. You know what it is. Starts to be an S. That's just that part of it. The product. There's so many great players playing great young players and I do like that. I love that the league is less old than it used to be. And it's always been a league where you had to play a long time to become great and be in a position with a band of people to challenge and content. It's a little different now. You got more teams now. I like that they're eight, 10 teams that look like they could really challenge if not a six or eight challenge for a change. I love that. I love the international star. So there are things about the game I love. Overall, the fact that you don't even know when you're going to see him is what pisses me off most. Load management, whether people are, I don't question injuries, Dan, in any sport. But damn, if we're told all the time my son comes in and says, oh, Dan, athletes, the players now are bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, then how come their asses are hurt every night? They're the best in treatment in medicine and technology and equipment. Dudes used to wear canvas shoes with no tape. And they played 82. And now guys have everything and they can't play 60 games. And that, I don't like that. I hate that. And it's, it may not be just the NBA, but the NBA seems to major in that right now. Love you, buddy. Always good seeing your face. Always good talking to you. Thank you for making time for us. Now you got me all riled up. I did. I did once. I want you got to canvas shoes and no tape. I'm like, that guy is now in a hostile. He's in a hostile mood. I've sent him into the rest of his day. Yes. Filled with hostility. Don't, don't let me forget as I, as I leave you commercial flights, but they're all great. They're the greatest athletes on the planet. They may be, but they can't play more than 50 games. Come on now. The rest of us are all fools all the time. Cause we consume it. We keep consuming it. Keep buying it. Keep watching it. Love you, buddy. Love you too. He's saying. See you later. Of course he's right. Canva shoes with no tape. They used to play 82 with canvas shoes and no tape. I love him. He's, he's been the greatest for a long time. Always good when Michael Wilbond makes time for us. Don Lebatard. In terms of heat fans, you're the most irrational of us right now. What's the pivot? Oh, irrational. Stugatz. Oh my rational. Did you not hear your voice there? If I were making a cartoon thing that was meant to symbolize irrational, that's the voice I would give. Higher premise premise. This is the Don Lebatard show with Stugatz. Let's do against the spread. Against the spread. Against the spread is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The crown is yours. Roy, what do we got? Women's Olympic hockey tomorrow. The United States plays Finland. They are five and a half gold favorites. Jesus! They won five to one against Czechia yesterday. DraftKings has the United States winning gold at minus 150 and minus 10,000 in the medal while Finland is 35 to one to win gold plus 200 to medal. That's the porcelain odds as of last night. Keep an eye on Leila Edwards. She's going to be a star. Go with the United States at five and a half. Wow, the favorites. Mike, that was a lot that he gave us there. I'm taking the Super Bowl. The line's going up, everybody. Keep an eye on us. I'm going to watch this and you can get it at five in some places. I like it at five. So let's take the Patriots and Mike Vrable against a public Seattle Seahawks team. I like Mike Vrable in these spots. If you eliminate a bad Tennessee Titans, one of the worst Tennessee Titans teams in franchise history, his record ATS and straight up as a dog is an all time deal for gamblers everywhere. So I'm going to lean on the pass. So you like the bigger number. I'm going to take the five with the pats. The athletic wrote a story the other day in which they were quoting an assortment of an anonymous players. Did you see this at all? Zazz thought about the halftime show. How do they feel about the halftime show? And an anonymous player said, I think they're going a little too far with all of these international acts. He's from Puerto Rico. Yeah, there's a buddy. They don't know that. What position is that anonymous player there? Is it a kicker? I thought offensive line. Offensive line for sure. There was a study on political leanings by position in the NFL. Further away you get from the ball. More left of center they get. But there's actually not a lot of left of center dudes. Millionaires like the tax thing. I found there will an overlook a lot. Did you guys see this story also from the athletic? It legitimately confused me. The New York Times and the athletic where because the Olympics have indeed started, there are skiers injecting themselves in the penis, enhancing their penises to fly further. And I think it was something called a hydraulic acid into their penises. That's right. Why? Come on this. I don't understand how that would make you fly further in skiing. I'm at a bit of a loss as to how any of this would work in terms of physics. And it doesn't seem to be something to me that would be worth it if you get a small advantage but a large. An average sized advantage. A large needle in the penis. Yeah. In order to inject yourself. You can explain this to me Jeremy. So I read the story and the explanation in the story was that they're doing so so that they can increase the size of their uniforms because in just an extra two square inches of fabric on the entire uniform being like loose can potentially give you over five feet of flight in carry. It's a game of inches. It is a game of inches and apparently just getting an extra inch or two is could potentially change whether you metal or not. Why can't they just wear the bigger, you know, they they fit you for your uniform because it's supposed to be skin type. So you take that shot and it makes your junk bigger. I guess and seemingly temporary. Send me that link. Hell yeah brother. There are all sorts of advantages that people will go and seek when they're competing against others in the margins for their advantages. I know a number of football players who wear smaller shoulder pads because they want to be more aerodynamic. I think people would be surprised the lengths all athletes go to get a little smallest of advantages. I think that. Yeah, I mean, I have a huge advantage. Mine is also quite big. Is this what we're doing now? You know what? I don't know what the penalty. Well, he said his words. Yeah, but I don't I don't like if I didn't say mine was people might think that I have a smaller one. I was insinuating small advantages. No, I don't have a small advantage. You have a big one, right? Mine's not that big. That's the inner word. Two minutes. Personal foul. Personal and foul. Everyone out. Out. You two out. Show ends in 90 seconds. That's fine. We'll delay the penalty in some Monday. Santino said Chris has one. They'll they'll. Okay. I don't want to talk about it. First 30 seconds. Out! Out! Everybody out! 30 seconds on Monday. Congrats on the hammer. That's right. Because there are only 90 seconds left in the show. Congrats on the hammer. All of you get your dick hammers out of here. All of you. I don't have any use for any of you. How short are we about to go? Get out of here. Get out of here. I'm on your dad's side on all matters. I side with your father on all things. Again with the dick hammer ghost sound Roy. I didn't play it. That was Chris. What do you mean? He was out of the room. That's the last thing he did before he left. What did you think of Will Bonz as? I enjoyed hearing from him. You seemed a little bored. It was old man shaking his fist at the sky. No, but I agree with those. I agree with that. It is old man yelling at the cloud. But I agree with all of that. I'm totally with him on everything he said about the NBA. You don't care about the journalism stuff the way that he and I do, right? Well, I mean, I've never been a writer. You know, I've never worked for a newspaper, so I don't care about it in that sense. It's not about writing. It's about protecting basic freedoms and having balance when it comes to power and injustice. Yeah, no, that part I care about. Absolutely. But I mean, you know, you probably feel similar like Will Bonz telling you it's life and death with him. That's like very serious. That's a terrible way to end the show.