Draymond Green, SB Talk With Scott Zolak, NBA Trades + Guys On Hank

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And it was so good. We're like, we have to run it right now. So we do talk about hypotheticals of him being traded. We also have our very good friend Scott Zolek on talk Super Bowl. He's one of a he's a one-on-one guy. He's got Zolek. He's got Zolek. He's got Zolek. Relica the past. He's got Zolek. He's got Zolek. He's a 100% dialed in. And also the Dremon Green interview. You're right. I think it might be top 10. Oh, top 10. It might be top 10 PMT history. So we're going to talk some Super Bowl. We had Roger Gidell's big press conference. We have hot sea cool thrown. And then we have the first ever guys on Hank questions for Hank. He forgot about it. Yeah. Oh, that makes it so much better. Hank, why are you upset? They might be good. They might be all just good. Yeah. You know what? Yeah. Wait, who's picking the options that we're going to read? I'll be Connor. Yeah. Oh, God, we're going to government names. Government names. Okay. We have a great show, though, for you. 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I'll take it from here. That was you were saying you got PFC. It's a show. I was calling you a piece. But it was not a question. Yeah, not a question. It's not ended with a question. There's a period at the end of that sense. Yeah, periods of punctuation. Markful when you're done talking. The games are London. We got three games in London. It returns to Madrid, Spain, which by the way, I got to see the stadium when I was over Madrid. Incredible stadium. Awesome stadium. Keep football out of there. That's a soccer stadium. Mm-hmm. Melbourne, Australia. Melbourne. Melbourne. That's insane that the teams are going to have to go to Australia. That's going to be, I'm going to guess a 16 hour plane ride. I think it's 21 hours if you're, if it's a East Coast team. They'll probably do West Coast. I would imagine. Who knows? Who are just shoving these down our throat? We got the return to Mexico City. If you think the altitude's an issue in Denver, Mexico City is super high. We got Munich, Germany. Mm-hmm. Sweet. And then two new locations. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Oh, thank you. And Paris, France. Gapery. The Inatel is going to Gapery. The Saints. The Saints are going. Yeah. Hank, is France a super bowl country? No. Are we going to get the super bowl in France? No. There's a lot of better countries on that list. Where would you, if there was to be an international super bowl? Where would you put it? The Madrid one, it was all, it was high praise. Now up your ass is the correct answer. That's where you put it. It's just too much. It used to be fun because it was like two or three times and it was, oh, this is an experience. You know what it reminds me of? Did you guys know that on Sunday, two days ago, there was a stadium series game. Yeah. Yeah. That's in Florida. They just throw these things out there. It's like, hey, this one thing stadium series exactly the same. It used to be, oh, there was one of them on January 1st and it was cool and it was experienced. Now they're just fucking throwing stadium series at us left and right. Don't even know when they're happening. This is the same thing. You just don't need this many games and the worst part about it is. This is clearly going to keep going up and up and up. It's not going to go backwards. It's going to go more until every single team, there'll be 16 international games and every single team will have to play in an international game and then Henry Lockwood will, his watch will end and it'll be happy that he's ruined the sport of football in America. So it looks like the Rams are going to be one of the teams that goes over to Australia. Okay. Rams might be one of the designated teams for that. I'm curious to know what time of day it's going to be played. Who knows? Time zones. Fuck you up when you go to your time zone. We do have our time zone. Time zones when you go to Australia is going to be absolutely insane. The game. I was a shot. It's probably going to be played on a Monday. Give it a shot like Monday morning. Give it a shot. I can't. Google it and give it a shot. By the way, Zach is sick. So that's why he's not in this chair and he didn't probably why he slept the other night. He wasn't going to tell us. He did not tell anyone for about 24 hours. So there's a very high chance. All of us get sick. We went to he never had any. No, we went to in and out for his first time and he ordered just to like a double double. Yeah. He's the I'm good and I looked at him like Zach, like I've heard your orders a hundred times. You get like five bucks that he's like, no, no, I'm good. I'm good. That should have been the number one side. He's keeping sickness from us. And yeah, I don't feel maybe this is just you know, in my own head, but I didn't wake up feeling great this morning. Me neither. And so the whole podcast might be, I guess if we all get sick on Thursday, it will just be Zach doing a solo show because he'll be better by then. Yeah, he'll be happy. He'll be. This is going to be. Malibar is going to be too. Yeah, okay, go ahead, give it to us. Right now, it's 3 30 AM tomorrow. Cracky. Okay, but right now, what time is it? It's 8 30 AM New York. It's 11 30 AM in New York. And it's what time in Melbourne? 3 30 AM. So how are they going to play this game? So they're, they might play a Monday night game. Find Max. Find out for me what time 7 PM? No, that'll be a Sunday night game here. No, but Monday night in Melbourne. Yeah, it's Sunday night here. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So they're going to take Sunday football or no, it might be a Monday afternoon game. Look up what time Max. Look up what time 5 PM in Melbourne is this is what he's coach. This is what you've done to us Roger. You tell you've made us try to learn things. And that's not what the NFL is about. But he is. Did you see what he said about the players? No, Diana Rossini, who we all think is an incredible reporter said that all. Yeah, all of us do. She's our queen. Gidel said she's, he spoke to many players and discovered how much they enjoy playing international games because they feel like ambassadors. That's all this has got to be he talked to like one punter and a long snap. This is that to me. I think that was, uh, that was probably Travis, say, TN that said that. It's, it's, there's no way this happened. Brian Thomas Jr said that. No way. Like playing in London because I feel like an ambassador. This is, this is crazy. Max grow the game. He's, I think I found it. I think I figured out how we're going to do this. Hope you're listening NFL. We've got to figure it out. Ready 12 PM noon Melbourne is 8 PM New York. So Sunday night football. So it'll have to be. You have to be a Sunday football. That's awesome. That I'm fine with. Yeah. That's a regular slot. So now we're down to eight games. We're down to eight games. The, the France one. I don't get it. France is not a football country. No, it's the opposite of football country. It's going to be terrible. Uh, we're going back to Spain. We're, we're hitting the, the Brazil thing again. We're doing that. We got to stop football. It belongs in, in these walls, in this country. We have to stop. This is our thing. Although Melbourne would probably be a great time. I have another problem with Melbourne. I might be with on team Hank when it comes to Australia. If we do, should we go? They also, what the problem is, like a Friday night. We're all going to be. Yeah. It's going to be like a Friday night. He's right. It's going to be a Friday night. Yeah. So what time would the game be played? So Saturday, Saturday noon for a Friday night game. Yeah. But what's going to be bullshit? Because of the travel, too. That's going to be the second game of the season. Yeah. 100%. And then there, no, but you think you'd give those teams. No, we get them back by coming back. No, they don't necessarily do, especially if they play a day before, I think before Sunday, I think if it's a 16 to 20 hour plane ride, I think you would have to give those teams a by week. I feel like this might be the second game of the season. I'm kind of feeling second game of the season. I also think it's going to be bullshit that it's going to be like an 8 p.m. start. It's going to just going to be completely bright the entire. It's going to suck. I'm going to be very confused watching that game. You are the reason this is happening. You are the reason this is happening. No, you. This beautiful game is growing. We have lots of international fans. We know that. I did see, I did see some Irish dudes at the diner this morning and I fell Ireland. Yeah. Australia is one of our biggest international listeners. Yeah, we have no problem with the Australian game because we realize that it's going to be a night game. So we're cool with that. We're kind of cool. Yeah, we're cool with Aussies. We'll share the Australia is basically like South United States. Yeah, I'm okay with that. But yeah, the travel logistics sucks. We're trying to grow the game. We're trying to build revenues overseas at the expense of the American fan. They don't care about their national board. They listen to podcasts. They want to take you're not even going to watch these games. The Australia one I will. Yeah. And then the other ones if the patrons are playing in it, I'll watch it. I'll turn it on when I wake up. So the other news that came out so why won't I ask one last question? Oh, yeah. When is aren't they announcing the Super Bowl venues? I don't know. Reason and well, we already know the next two. But I think they're doing the other one soon. Yeah. Max was actually that's got it's got to be coming. It's got to drive people. No, no, no, we're not coming this year. They're going to do 16 years international first. It's coming. The Max, we were we were talking about super future Super Bowl sites and Max was doing the math in his head and he's like, all right. So LA next year I'm going to have to go to the birds game. Then Atlanta, we probably will lose in the playoffs. We'll lose in the first round. Every other year. Yeah. So Rod you held his press conference. They're trying to rework the Rooney rule. I don't really understand. I do think that the Rooney rule is it feels like people just use it to checkmark now. Yeah. That's kind of what it's been this year was like they everybody pointed out like O for 10 on black head coach is getting hired for all the vacancies. Robert Salaz Lebanese, he got hired. That's he was a former head coach. It's never worked as intended. Basically, the Steelers were like, we knocked it out of the park with Tomlin. So therefore everybody else should have to bring in somebody. Yeah. And it's it's the owners that are making the call. So it really hasn't worked to its intention. They'll try to figure out something new to do with it. But yeah, so far, I'm going to try this joke again. Wait, the Rooney rule hasn't worked. But now we've got two sets of brothers as head coaches in the NFL. Nice. Nice. Put in a laugh track for that one. Nice. I was way better. Michael Flores. His hair is something. He's the hair that yeah, that we were talking about Jeff Halfley. He's like, Flores hair. Yeah. He's he's Jeff Halfley with like another quarter inch on there swaggy. But yeah. So good. I'll do his press conference. He just basically lied to everyone. He was like, yeah, the fishating's great. Everyone wants more international games. Buh, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hank just lapped it all up. The officiating comment was was comedy. I have to take on actual actual comedy. Yeah. The actual quote was, I'm amazed at how good our officials are. That he said and he said it was just a game being like, yes. It's such a straight phase from Kedal. I will say that I think it's probably very, very hard to be an NFL ref. Yeah. There's a lot of things that you don't think so, Max. No, I was saying I couldn't do it. Yeah. It's got to be super hard. And do you think that the guys that we currently have ref in NFL games are the best in the world at ref in NFL football? Well, no, because they don't get paid year round to do it. Yeah, but out of all the people in the world, nobody gets paid year round to do it. I think they're probably the best, right? How much do they get paid here? Who do you think would be better? Probably like a like a 19 year old Asian boy who's really good at it like Call of Duty. He's got like fast switch eye muscles. Yeah, like gamer guys are awesome. A guy sitting in a chair somewhere would be better at it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I do think that here's my problem with refs. They've gotten too focused on physical fitness recently. We used to have one jack ref that was edhoculy. All these other guys are like, I want to have big arms too. Yeah, they need to be in the lab, not in the gym. Isn't it? Isn't so tell me this, so we lost our gamer here to sickness, but isn't it like the guys who play competitive gaming, they're really, really good until like they're 22 years old and they're washed up? That's how it like they're all all the guys who are incredible gamers are just their eyesight is the best they possibly could be their ability to track things. It feels like we should have a bunch of teenage refs or yeah, put body cams on them. That works too. Accountability. Yeah, but so that that was it and then we had the Super Bowl media night, which has just lost all of its aura and luster. It looked ridiculous. Yeah, it was a fire fest. I don't know why they stopped doing it in the stadium. I guess because San Francisco obviously stadiums outdoors. The whole setup for San Francisco makes no sense because Santa Clara is so far away. It's stupid. Well, I was at the last one that they did here and it was at that convention center. That's where Dave asked Bella Chack if he could kill anybody for him. Nope. That was the year before. Oh, check wasn't in that Super Bowl. Oh, that's right. That was in Arizona. That must have been Arizona. Yeah, I don't think media night was ever really great. I think you have a story from that media night. Oh, the one in San Francisco. Yeah, I asked Cam Newton if he was so strong and athletic and loved America. Why didn't he go overseas and fight ISIS? That's good question. And he had absolutely no answer to that. And then I I grilled Ron Rivera for about 10 minutes on why he doesn't just go for two every single time. And he goes, well, here's the thing is like sometimes you don't get it if you go for two. I was like, sometimes you don't get it if you kick the extra point. And 50% of two is greater than 94% of one. And then he just didn't understand that math. Yeah. But no, me day, I don't think was ever really that great. It's just I used to have like some type of I actually think that they screwed it up making it Monday night. Like it was weirdly 10 years ago, wherever it was when it was during the day and you just like, you're sitting at work and you're like, oh, yeah, they're doing this. Like there's some stories that pop up. Now at night, I don't know. And it just, yeah, it's just looked horrible. It looked terrible. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. I don't know. It looked worse than it was 10 years ago. That's the part I don't understand. It's like they were here. Yeah, been here. The setup and the clips from it just looked bizarre. I like Dave Damishack asking, uh, Varebel if it was a must win game. That's actually a good question. That was a great question. Must win or can't lose. Varebel said they're almost wins. Did you with Tom Brady said? No. So Tom Brady, they asked him who is, who is rooting for? Yeah. Tom Brady, our goat, right Hank? Yep. He said, I'm rooting for a good game. He said, I don't have a dog in the fight. Well, he does. He doesn't. The Raiders. Yeah, the Raiders, not in the fight. He's an owner, but they're not in the fight. The sense that he's not like, outwardly saying, I'm rooting for one team or the other. Well, if he's rooting for the Raiders, isn't he also then rooting for the Seahawks because they're often his coordinator is the new head coach of the Raiders? Yeah, I would say maybe. But that like, I saw that or, I see the quote or I can't remember. I just know he's, he's an owner now, right? So yeah, he's got to basically pretend that he's neutral on all of it. Yeah. So he's, but I was shocked that he wasn't rooting for our patriots. Shut up. What? This is Tom that said that you're mad at me. You're mad at me. I'm sick of PFT, parading around San Francisco. I got this big bet on the Patriots. Go pass. Go pass. Go. I'm here. Well, my bet on the Patriots. I'm as a patriot span. I'm used to this. I hang has a bet that I placed. I'm used to the hands. He's hangs money. It's thanks, but it could be some of my money too. But you go pass. Go rating around town. I've heard you 10 different times. Be like, oh, Patriots got this big bet in the Patriots. I'm also rooting for my bet to lose hang. So you need to start saying there's talk say. So stop acting like your Patriots fan when you talk to like your fake is fuck you haven't going up to Patriots fans. Yeah, I'm like, we're in moxtap. Correct. Correct. It's fraud. And I'm rooting. I'm publicly rooting for my bet to lose. But you're not. You're not saying that when you're telling people about this bet. That's a problem. Well, because the game hasn't started yet. So I have to bet on the Patriots. Once kick off that. It's not a way to play both sides, but also no size. No, I'm tanks money and you bet it and you don't want it to hit. Yeah, I'm really actually rooting against the Patriots. But for the time being, I can say that I have a big bet on the Patriots. I think it's free country. But you really don't. I do have a big bet on the Patriots. Well, Hank has a big bet on the Patriots. Yeah, you also keep saying that you're going to get some of the money too. You either lose 40,000 or you lose 2000. Yeah. So keep saying like, I'm going to get some of this money too. Yeah, I would rather much rather lose 40,000 dollars than 2000 dollars. Yes. That's what I'm doing for America. No, no, he'll get more than that. Oh, why? Plus 195. So, oh, I'll hang eight. He put 40 in. He's getting 30. He'll have 38 in his account if it, yeah, after giving it the hang. Yeah, got it. I was just, man. Yeah. My go Tom Brady. I broke my heart when he was like, I don't have a dog in this fight. Come on, Tom. Lock in. What is PFT? I got a follow up question. What are your thoughts on Bob Kraft not making the whole thing? I mean, what does Guy have to do to get in? It's got to jerk someone off. It's crazy. It's crazy that Bob Kraft isn't getting into the Hall of Fame. Maybe the greatest owner in the history of any sport. Do you think though there's a small part of him that's maybe a little happy it didn't happen this year because it would have been very awkward? I think that's probably true. Yeah. But it does also feel like this is setting up so, so good for the Patriots. Like this is this is classic. Oh, yeah. Us against the world. They hate us because they ain't us. It's it's back to the old days, you know, when we were with whipping boy the NFL and all we did was go out there and win championships, right? Everybody's face. Yeah, it's bullshit. I mean, it's clearly there's never been more clear that the Patriots and I don't understand why that NFL hates the Patriots the way they do. All they've done is brought. And then I was a Patriots who was watching for the NFL. False. Yeah, you do. With the international games. I carry water for the sport of football because I love it so much. As a Patriot fan, it's just it's all the winning that we did that pissed him off. Also probably all the cheating scandals that we had. But mostly the winning is mostly the winning. Have you has it like registered that you bet $40,000 on the Superl? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's registered. Trust me. I know I'm like Hank says I'm telling every Patriots fan that I see gopats go Dave didn't buy it $40,000. David. Yeah, I've been keeping eyes on you. You're watching your takes from afar. We'll have words. All right, Dave. Let's say I would love to converse with a fellow Patriots fan. I was also looking through the quarterbacks that we have right now is thinking about this last night before we went to bed. The quarterbacks that will then become like the next Sam Darnels. Okay, we have out there. I had a couple that I added to the list. Maybe I went too far. By the way, just as a total aside, I completely forgot Tommy DeVito in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he was at media day. I was like holy shit Tommy DeVito. Five for five on three and six. Yeah, perfect. All right, go ahead. It's a fact. He's the best in the NFL. The other two that I what what Hank? What Hank, you want this? You want this? We got to be united. You're a step outside. Your whole stupid. No, because it's so stupid. Whatever. You started the stab by me like minimum 10 passes. So you can't then be like Tommy DeVito five passes. But even if Tommy DeVito started the scab goes in and complete for all five of those next ones. He's still better than twice as good on this. We've done this. We've done this. There's also like an argument that you just had. They're not first downs. They could just be like check downs. This isn't the first down and don't care. No, I don't. I also don't care enough to look into it. And it's not a real stat. And it's pointless. Aren't wrong because it's in your head right now. Because it's so far in your head right now. I think you're right. It is. It's a it's a pointless stat. Oh, the Super Bowl could have been down from true to third and six with PFT's big bet. Would be awesome. Awesome. Well, no, you don't want that. It's third and sixth. It's statistically. I do. No, it went our way. Lies. He passed. He passed. I don't give a fuck. We got our first down and ended the game. If it's the fourth, third and sixth of the day. And he's been over three on them. Statistically, you want. Yeah. But if it's the fourth, third and sixth and he's gotten like three of them, he's completed. You don't want it. I want it. Okay. Go ahead, PFT. Your next Sam Darnal. This is going to be great. Okay. The next Sam Darnal. I added Anthony Richardson to the list. I'm in your end. Yeah. So in. I don't know. See Hank, locks up. He needs to where where does he go? He would have to go to like Minnesota or L.A. Maybe it might be like a little more thing. Maybe maybe ghost Arizona. Maybe Arizona could fix him. Okay. And then the other one that I had was Mitch. I don't know. Yeah. Fuck yeah. So I'm a big Mitch guy, but he if he was going to be the Sam Darnal, I think it would already happen because remember, he did have a chance. You have a Sam went to the Panthers, then the Niners, then he got good on the Vikings. Right. Mitch went to the bills, the Steelers, the back to the beach. Okay. Mitch. Mitch. I already had the I will be replacing Mitch Rubizky on this list with Kyle Trask. Okay. What about Justin Fields, Pro Bowler? Pro Bowler. Well, no, he turned down the pro ball, but he was memes is touting him as a pro bowler now. But memes he turned it down. But he's asked. He's a pro baller. He was asked. He's a pro baller. He was asked. Yeah. Justin Fields, he could be on the list too. But yeah, anti, I don't know. I should be done with Anthony Richardson, but I'm not. I feel like the answer is Malik Willis. Yeah. Malik Willis is number one. He's number one. He might already be. Yeah. He might he might have been good enough this year and last year that you keyed doesn't even qualify. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Cause like I actually think I actually think he's good. But, but you could have said the same thing when like Darnan was on the Niners. Yeah, but although Malik Willis was he he wasn't a first round pick. Was he? I think he was. No, I don't think so. No, I don't think he was. Yeah. That was I feel like it's got to be a first round pick. That was you think? He was a third round pick. Yeah. Can he pick it when? Can he pick it? Maybe. Can he pick it? Well, he's yeah, he's going back and forth. Max says no. Oh, yeah. I'm not sure. Malik Willis was number one. Tray Lance. No. And then I also thought to myself, yeah, what if the Sean's good again and then Anthony Rich, I don't know. Maybe probably not. Probably not Anthony Richardson. Well, we'll love us. But you gotta think about it. We'll love us. We'll love us. Yeah. Not a first round pick, but still chance. He was the first year starter. He Prisco thinks we'll love us as best quarterback in the NFL. He said that on the record. Also, Sam Donald's grandfather being named Dick Hammer needs more decision. Always great. Dick Hammer. And he was the Mara-Brow man. Yeah. Okay, let's do draft Kings real quick and then we'll talk some other stuff and then do hot seat cool throne. Super Bowl 60 deserves a sports book built for the moment. Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner Super Bowl 60 puts you right in the center of the biggest game of the year. Anything can happen during the Super Bowl and Draft Kings has your back with early exit. If your player goes down in the first half, you still get paid in cash. When your bet settles, no bonus bets, no waiting. 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Stop me if you heard this before but James Harden wants to be traded. That's the big news going right now. So the NBA trade deadline was recording this early in the morning. If there is a trade of substantial, what did we say? What was the what was the I said five time all star? Five time all star. We are going to do an emergency insert and it will happen right here. Okay, we are breaking moves. We recorded most of the show at 8am and we said we will place trades in this part of the show if it happens and we do have some trades Max. We're going to go to our ESP or sorry NBA insider desk Max Lente. He's got all the trade details. Which one would you like? All the all of them. Give me all the trade. All right. We're going to go in chronological order. New snacks most recent. Nope. Okay. At least recent. Okay. And we're going to start with the biggest one of the day. I agree with this. It is going to be the Memphis Grizzlies are trading star forward. Jaron Jackson Jr. John Conchar. Joc Landel and Vince William Jr. to the Utah Jazz for Walter Clayton Jr. Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendrix, George Neang and three future first round picks. Wow. A lot of picks. A lot of picks. And the end of the end of the day. So the Grizzlies are just blowing everything up. Which they should. That's really all that is. So what happens with John now? John. It's his team. Finally. They're going to build around John. Mount Zion. We are going to have our silo on next week to do an NBA preview. This is our reaction to trades that you know, we don't know. You know what this is. People love this trade for the jazz. I'm seeing on Twitter. Oh, okay. This tells me Johnny's to step up. Yeah. Big time. Well, I mean, Jaron Jackson is like an elite elite defender. So yeah. Good trade. Jazz. And also good trade Grizzlies. When when? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Justin two hours ago from jobs. Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit have agreed to a multi-turn deal, a multi-team deal. Fuck. A multi-team deal that sends Jay Neyvy and Mike Conley Jr. to the Bulls. Kevin Herder and Dario Sharich to the pistons. And Detroit also receives a 2026 first round protected protected swap from Minnesota. Okay. You won my instant reactions in chronological order of the thoughts that went through my head. Okay. Number one, cool because Titus is good friends with Mike Conley. So we'll probably come to the office. Number two, Kevin Herder. His agent played pickup basketball with us on Friday. And he was like, I'm finally settling into Chicago. This is awesome. Not awesome anymore for you, dude. But good, hooper. Cool guy. Number three, this feels like the timber wolves are moving money around to maybe go for Janus. Number four, this is a patented AK Bulls move where he and I can't in I can't be a hypocrite here because I also subscribe to this theory. He sees a guy like Jay Neyvy who was the fifth pick overall a few years ago. He got hurt last year. Remember that terrible injury. He hasn't been really the same. Mr. Ton of time hasn't been the same this year. He's like, but he was the fifth pick. So he's got to be good. I agree with that, even though this probably doesn't do anything for the balls. He was really good player in college. Yeah. Excellent player. But if you're if you're a lottery pick, you're a lottery pick forever in my mind. So I understand his reasoning. I don't know if my reasoning should also be the general manager of the bulls reasoning. But that's it. That's for a different day. I don't have to bring back Darko. Yes, Kevin White. Kevin White. Kevin White still's got it. But yeah, no, the bulls did a lot of lateral moves, build the whole team out of guards. I think they have one big man right now. Well, they have one more trade. Yeah, that yeah, breaking the Chicago Bulls are trading centered. Nicole of Vousavitch and a second round pick to the Boston Celtics for Anthony Simmons and a second round pick. My insight on this is Hank, you might have been there. We're playing golf. Remember that? Like two years ago in Chicago. Oh, yeah. This is shit. You won't get anything else. Hank and I was Hank and I were playing golf with Johnny Fish. Yep. And the name of that course is Madonna. Madonna. And Vousavitch was there the day that he signed a contract. I think with the bulls, I feel bad for him. He's probably not going to be able to play Madonna anymore. Ah, yeah, this is I like this trade. I was happy with this trade. Well, Vouch and also me and Jason Tatives coming back. They were trying to trade Vouch for a while. It was it was a bad trade at the first time. Then they gave money. He's a flawed player. He's not bad player. He's a flawed player because he's not great defensively. I think he's an upgrade for center for us. Okay. And it gets us under the apron. And it does feel like a solid that AK is doing for Vouch where he's like, hey, I'm going to trade you to a good team and keep going with the let's get a bunch of guards. And also, I think Jay and I be and is Anthony Simmons a restrictive reagent after this year? Yeah. So so is Jay and Ivy. So he's basically doing kind of like the Josh Giddy. Let's get him for a certain amount of time and then we'll have to figure it out. I don't know the bulls stink. So, Hank, you think that this is a clear sign that Tatives coming back? Yeah, this year. Yeah. Because if he if Tate and Moms back, those are minutes like Simmons has been playing, but if Tate and Moms back, those minutes are good. Got it. Also a sign that probably IO and Kobe White are going to be moved and they might when you're listening to this, they might have already been traded. I think I'm actually happy that the bulls aren't I wish they would get a first round pick here or there. They they're they're basically allergic to trading for first round picks. But this doesn't it's thankfully not like a stupid. Oh, we're all in for making the play in a situation. It's more lateral moves take a take a shot at a guy like Jay and Ivy. Maybe he returns to form and hope it works out. That's what AK loves to do. He loves to get guys that are still young and maybe haven't played well or been injured and is like, Hey, maybe they're still good. Like I said, the lottery pick. The bulls are right now. Are they on track to make the plan? They are I think they're like back in 9th and 10th. Yeah, right where they should be always. They're always in the 9th 10 range. I think there's actually I think coming up in the schedule, we play the heat like I think we what do we play the heat last night? I think we play the heat maybe tonight. We play the heat like two times in in three days and it's basically the plan to the plan. I love that. Yeah, Mark is a player. Yeah, exactly. These two teams don't like each other. They'll be playing in the playing soon. Yeah, so that's it. We have anything else? Shams say anything. Shams, yeah, I mean, he's saying right now the Warriors have involved very Montgrain. Actively active talks going on right now between the Warriors and the box. Oh, so when you listen to the Dremont Green interview, it's going to be we did we played we played the we played the heat two nights ago and then like three nights ago. So that was the plan. Oh, we played them three times in a week. That was a plan to the plan and we the bulls lost two to one. So we lost the plan to the plan. The way that Steve Kerr is talking about this makes it seem like Dremont's gone. He said, I think what's really tricky for Dremont is this is the only place he's ever known. He's going to have a statue outside the building someday. Oh, he's never been through this and it's definitely been on his mind. I don't think you don't you don't you statue talking less. It's serious. So the good news is we're about to listen to the Dremont interview, which again was incredible. We will go through all the the emotions. So we actually will be breaking the news. If he gets traded, I hope he doesn't get traded till Thursday. So people can see the breaking news of him reacting to all the trades. Yeah, potentially. We did do get traded like the exact second we released this year because then people would have to run for instant reaction. I hope he doesn't get traded. I hope he doesn't get traded. I don't think he wants to get just going to be a statue of him outside one day. Yeah, neither. But we get into it. We get into all I hope it's of him kicking Steve Adams in the dick. That'd be an awesome statue. That would just the dick and then Dremont. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be great. Okay. That was NBA trade deadline from some guys that love ball who love the hoop ball is life. Oh, look at that. Hold up. Hold it. Hold it. Oh, got it. Max. Beautiful. All right, let's kick it back to ourselves. The real story is Janus and then James Harden weirdly. So so atypical for him has quit on a team. I I won't believe until he gets fat. He just did you see the tyloo he they went to they went and played the sons and James Harden just stayed in Arizona and tyloo is asked and he was just like, I don't really know. He just stayed in there. He went to Arizona State Arizona basketball game and I think he just missed two games and he just quit yet again. The NBA is so weird. It's so weird when it comes to that. Like the players can just do whatever they want. Yeah, James Harden is I'll say this about James Harden. He is maybe first ball at Hall of Fame. I got to take care of me first guy. When you say, yeah, he's right. He's always like, hey, what can I do for James Harden? James Harden has actually done life pretty good. He really good. I would say how much money do you think James Harden has made? Probably like 450 million. Yeah, and I'd say Laced. 25% of that is when he's just like not working. Do you remember what James Harden just called Darimoria Liar in front of a bunch of Chinese like elementary school kids? Yeah, got him. That was weird. 411 million. Wow. Good for him. Yeah, but he's got no home. Because he always wants to go. Maybe he's just maybe he just has like some type of anxiety where he can't he's got like restless. He can't stay in one place for too long. That's all it is. I mean, if he's in Cleveland, he's that's going to be a problem. Yeah, like LA. I can't wait because because James Harden will go to Cleveland. If he goes to Cleveland, he'll go to Cleveland. He'll be decent. They'll get in the playoffs. He'll have like a game one or two where he goes off and everyone will be like, bam, that's why he trade for James Harden and then he'll choke. I hope he's in the playoffs. He's not my problem anymore. Do you have a back, Max? You want a back? Depends on what we gave up. I'm not giving him. We have there. We have the Clippers 2028 unprotected, which is. I just is is gold. That's juice. Yeah. So I would not give I would not give that back for James. You're not giving a pick for James Harden. No. I would not give the 20 the Clippers 2028 unprotected. Their that team is going this way down down. This is this way. Okay. What else is going on in the sports with Matt and he got hired by the Giants. Yep. Good for him, I guess. I did see. I think this was through Media Night. There was a little nugget about Stefan Diggs. Did you see this? Say it. Okay. So we're back. We're so variable. That was our quick intermission where we talked about James Harden for two minutes. Now back to regular schedule programming of PFT versus Hank. It's Fippau. This is a good story. Same side. So Diggs is Diggs is usually late on Friday morning. So the team meetings. And they asked for able about it. And he said, yeah, every Friday, little buddies got to go take a poop. So he misses every. That's like you before the show. Yeah. Yeah. He's like a half hour late to every single Friday meeting because he's pooped. I thought that was cool. Yeah. Yeah. You can relate to that. Yeah. I also did the other nugget I saw from Media Day was was just like how bad Cam Newton has has ruined his relationship with Drake May and like the Patriots. Well, and me Cam Newton is like I feel like everything I see from him. It's never really good stuff. And he hasn't done anything wrong. So it's a very funny watch where you're like he hasn't done anything that he's like a bad guy. He's not a bad guy. But he's just been so wrong on his takes and his takes have been so out of touch that everyone has sourdough. And he's talked so much shit. And it's like Drake May is from Caroline and like grew up Cam Newton's his favorite player. He used to talk about that all the time. And then it's like he got asked in Media Day. He's like you could see the wheels and motion where he's like, oh yeah, my favorite player growing up. Like Aaron Rogers. Like he just completely like he's never gonna acknowledge Cam and rightfully so like Cam Newton's talks so much trash even though you would think you know he would embrace him more. Right. How did Drake's shoulder look? Great. Do you watch? I watch some clips and looks great. Dr. Hank. Zolek. Zolek put it to bed. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spoil the interview but you can tell the body language he said he saw him before and he's good to go. Okay. Did he not? Yeah, he did. I was just asking if you saw any other clips. If you're watching it, like you're hot. Do you think Zolek has any bias? No, I think Zolek does those those Zolek knows. Got it. He's there. QB's no QB's. What did Zolek said? He's worried about Drake May's shoulder. Would you then be worried? Then I have to probably turn on Dr. Hank. You guys are trying to make a story of something that's not a story. Dr. Hank, I want to I don't I don't give a fuck about Drake May shoulder. I just want to turn on Dr. Hank. I just want to Hank to do a little reading. I don't know what that means. If he did, listen, Tom Brady was listed on the injury report for what Hank? Like six years in a row with a bad shoulder. Yep. This is fine. Everyone's dinged up this time of year. Not a problem. Correct. Yeah. Lockstep. Lockstep. He's got I don't know if you heard me. He's got a big bet on the Patriots. Let's go. Go back. You should get the ticket. Put it on a shirt. Defend the wall. King of the North. Fuck yeah. Did you know that Drake May has faced every defender on the AFC Pro Bowl roster this year? He played against every single one of those guys. Wow. Still trying to talk about the schedule. That's a great start. Yeah. Thank you. Is it is the Pro Bowl roster? How many of those guys are are backup Pro Bowl? No, they say it's a good good list of names. Really good. Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl's Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl's Pro Bowl. And listen, you guys can say what you want about Drake May and his shoulder being hurt and the schedule that we had that was so easy this year and how every single quarterback we played in the playoff sucked ass, but it doesn't change the fact that Drake May doesn't play against quarterback. She plays against defenses. Yeah. Whatever you want to know, you flip. You just you disagree? You disagree? Flip. In line. You're taking all steady. That's before I had a bet on our Patriots. That's before we understood that he had a tail. Yeah. Good point. I'm trying to give you good stats. I'm giving Hank good stats and he just can't wait for the PFT to be gone. He doesn't know what to do. And I'm just wishing my my Patriots friends and and where you guys were you guys were so such good friends. I'm gonna have to stay for a ticket. I already did. I asked him if I could get it taken to the game. He said I've been keeping an eye on you. What a you're gonna know I have I will ask him today. I'll ask him on the act. You're gonna you're gonna regret like when PFT and everyone else leaves you're gonna regret not having someone walk around talking about the bet. No. Yeah. You're gonna miss that. There's gonna be a moment on Saturday where you're like you hear a echo and you're like oh my god was that someone saying something about a 40 grand bet. Yeah. And and it won't be. Yeah. You won't be here. I'm gonna miss this friendship that we've had this week. We the Saturday week was great. I'm I'm very excited to start betting some props. I think by the way what we should do. I love mine by the way I put them in on Sunday before I left. So here's what I'm looking at them all week they're great. Here's what I think we should do. I should we do five prop bets each or seven prop bets each I maybe five each on Friday. And I think what we should do is the difference that you have wins and losses is like a mandatory hour you have to do a Zach. So if you go three and two you don't have to do any. If you go two and three you have to do one hour mandatory. You like that. I only have five. I'm already I already you're you're so we'll have to add yours. And Zach also Zach also said not add hours. Yeah see does what is he up to what is he 36 the worst you could do is add five if you go over five you add five hours. Okay. Like the chance of him going over five. Okay. So so everyone will do it and that's like we're all gonna be. I subtract hours. Yes. That's what you go read. Got it. Zachos Zachos five and oh he now has to do 31 hours. So what's the minimum for the for the odds on the props. I think it has to be like somewhere in the you know minus 130 to oh okay. Yeah no it does not to be I got bombs. Oh you can do bombs but then you might have to do mandatory hours. That's fun. I mean I my better in. Oh okay. Hey got a question for you better. So we'll do that Friday. I think that will be good for Friday's show and it's it's not like a substantial swing and we're all gonna be part of the stream anyway but I'm saying like if I go on five I have to mandatory be five hours in a row. You know what I mean five hours. No I agree. The difference between zero and five is so much. But what if you go five and oh now you only have three 13 hours should have picked better games should have picked. Oh no that was actually that's I started to parent it and then I remembered that you and I max were incredible. Yeah that yeah yeah you should have a little bit better a little bit worse max. Yeah. I think I got a question for you better Patriots. Yeah. We're just we're exhausted. We just keep going back. We start talking about something else. You're losing Eagles aren't playing in the Super Bowl are our winner Patriots aren't. I'm not talking about the Patriots this week. That's okay. I was you're either want to brought the Eagle. Okay so Robert Kraft not getting in the Hall of Fame. Bill Bellicic not getting in the Hall of Fame for a spell it. Is there any chance at all? Any chance remotely because the voters have shown true vengeance against New England. Is there any chance at all that Tom Brady is not a first ballot Hall of Fame or because of this group this cabal of voters that is keeping the Patriots out. Yes. 100%. I think he's the only one who it's not. I watched the 30 for 30 on the four falls Buffalo's on TV last night. I watched before bed. Bill point is the biggest loser of all time of all time. He was talking about those teams like they won he was like the greatest teams of all time. We were so they lost every Super Bowl. He's the biggest hater and biggest loser of all time. So yes I do think there was a chance. I was watching and just getting mad being like this guy has done nothing. I don't think he's won nothing. PFT I don't think there's a chance. They went to the Colton barely won because of what just happened with Bellicic. Because of the backlash. If they do it again it's basically like fold up the fold up the pro football Hall of Fame. If Brady was in this class then I could have been to see like all three of them right. They don't get in first ballot but because of what happened this year when it's time for Brady. He should I mean obviously Tom Brady should be a first ballot Hall of Fame. Now I'm just looking at sideways like I don't know what these guys are capable of. Yeah. If you got to spend it for deflake they won the game by 100. Right. I have a question. Is there a little part of you that hopes that he's not first ballot because you Patriots fan love this though. We're wrong. Yes you do. You love being disrespected. Oh yes wrong. If there's two respect. If there's two things I want to be disrespected. If there's two things I know but you rather be respected. Being disrespected and hearing about PFT's $40,000 bet. Shit over two. I'll respect and I want my money with my bad hits. You'll get your money. Okay. I think that was good. Well probably when we get hot sea cool throne we'll get back into this somehow. Yeah. No. No. Okay. Hot sea cool throne. It is brought to you by friends at Pizza Hut. What was that? Yeah. Football is better with the big New Yorker from Pizza Hut. Big enough to feed your whole crew for the biggest game. Massive with slices so big you have to fold them. Don't forget to pizza before the hut in order the big New Yorker for just $10 for limited time. Hank give us your your kittens your pizza hut. Pizza Hut. Oh I like that. I jumped off sides. Pizza Hut go right now. Don't forget to pizza before the hut in order the big New Yorker for just $10 for a limited time. Okay Hank. Hot sea cool throne. Shout out Pizza Hut. My hot sea cool throne is or my hot sea is quite Leonard. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Wendy's oh oh. Back again. He quite Leonard's having one of the best seasons of his career. Play the amount of games you need to play to be an All-Star and has been snubbed as an All-Star Reserve. Brian Windhorse thinks it's back to the scandal from earlier in the year. The tree scandal. Yeah. How? Like this is this is payback. Ah okay for trees never forget. Yeah. Okay. Well that the whole thing kind of that story kind of just went away. Are the voters trees? I think it's the NBA. Oh. What do you mean the NBA? Like they who votes who votes for the All-Star game? Hmm. This is a tough question. We got to get Dr. Hank. We got to get his bond with this. Dr. Hank would not know this. Dr. Hank would know what's going on with quite a lot of it at all times. Is it the players? I don't think it's the players. I think it's the coaches. Okay. But the NBA could have just told the coaches. No, no, no. No, no, no. This is that. NBA All-Stars. Starters are chosen by a weighted vote from fans 50% current players. 25% reserves. I'm getting to it. Emilia 25% while reserves are selected by a vote of NBA head coaches with both groups choosing players without regard to position in the current format. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah, they could be jealous. Coaches are mad. Maybe they're not saying that. NBA is his not told the coaches like they told the coaches and they pulled his name out of the the results. And the NBA does such weird stuff with like at the end of the season voting. They're like all pro stuff and how you like it changes millions of dollars for these guys. Huge huge things. So sense. But yeah. Good theory. So that's what Wendy's theory or your theory? Wendy's theory. I love that. I'm I'm I mean, Wendy knows. I also I read that then I read about the James Harron thing and I was wondering if they're you know if the Clippers players feel like this team is getting screwed by the NBA and it's time to get out. Ah. The walls are closing. Time to bounce. Now I like that theory where it's like you can't play for the Clippers because they're just gonna they're never gonna forget about the trees. I think James Harron is more likely jealous that he didn't get a tree deal. Yeah. It also could be true. I think one of my chopped liver over here. Yeah. I love getting paid to not work and you didn't think to kick something like that end over to me. Mm hmm. Lot lot to think about. Yep. Good job, Hank. Thank you. My cool throne. I had I had international NFL and NFL referees. I guess I guess PJ Torre can put them on the cool throne. Liv seems to be just spontaneously combusting. That's weird. So it's players are players are mad about the 72 holes. It's a league. So hold on. Let me just follow this. So your die hard live fan. It's a league that like tried to expand too fast internationally and you just loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Now you're jumping ship. I'm not jumping ship. Oh because you said I've heard you mumbling around like live is cooked. Live is cooked. Live is cooked. I'm not jumping. I listen. I'll be on a ship and it's burning. I'm not getting off it. Okay. I can acknowledge that it's the ship is. So name the foraces. I don't know who I don't know who they replaced Patrick. I don't know that they have. So you so you don't you you aren't a live fan. I am a live fan. What do you mean? You can't name the foraces. I don't know if they've were believed announced a replacement for Patrick Reed. So okay. Have you watched any live golf? It's the it's the for opening week this week. Are you going to be watching? It's like in radaya and it's at night. I don't know. I'll be watching. Oh it's weird time zones because it's international. Yeah. Grow the game. Oh it is Miguel Tabuena. Ah so they did. So you are a live fan. All right. You are a live fan. That's the reason how I'll give you Miguel Tabuena. That's awesome. Johnson, Thomas D. Trey and it's another you couldn't even get three of the aces. You got another one. I do know the other one. I don't know the other one. Also Thomas. Is it Peters? Thomas Peters. Thomas Peters. I know I don't live golf better than you. Brooks Capco is like we didn't sign up for 72. This is bullshit. So no, so did Brits. So did active live players are saying that. I'd be pissed too. Paul Casey. They got they signed up to get way more to get paid. They way more money to play way less golf. Yep. And now they're getting screwed. Yeah. So yeah. Again, I'm not I'm on the ship till it till it sinks. But it we're taking water. Yeah. Big time. Big time. Take a water. Okay. PFT your hot sea cool drone. My hot sea is earthquakes. Yeah. Because we we got a taste of California earthquakes on. Was that Sunday morning? Uh, Monday morning. Monday morning. Didn't feel that we woke up. So I farted and I woke up. But it also might have been earthquake. I'm not sure. I woke up to some vibration in my bed. And then I went right back to sleep. Then I woke up later and was like, Oh, that was that might not have been a fart. That might have been an earthquake. It was not uh, close to us. The epicenter. Yeah. So I really I would like to feel a little bit of an earthquake. Just a tiny bit. We talked about it. Yeah. This is this PFT had a crazy crazy take. Oh, probably not as crazy as I I screwed up yesterday and I said I want to I want to eat point two. And then we looked up eight point twos and it was catastrophic. That's pretty much my take. We were like 200,000 people minimum diet in eight point two. That's it's pretty much my take. We're standing on the banks of the bay. We're looking out over the Golden Gate Bridge, which is beautiful, by the way. And uh, I said it'd be kind of cool. Like if if there's going to be the big one while we're out here, if it's going to happen anyways, it'd be kind of cool if it happened right now. So we could see the bridge like swaying back and forth. And then Hank was like, you're insane, man. That's crazy. No, yeah. We're on a cliff that could just slide into the ocean. Eat some. There's no sharks in there, Hank. I don't think I understand earthquakes. Okay. Let's talk about the tectonic plates. I know that you can't put food on. They move against each other. They're going like this like that. And they and they rumble. So a cliff could just slide into the oat. Well, no. So the ground underneath like underneath hits each other and it shakes. And that makes everything above it move. I'm going to have to do some independent research. I would love to see your findings on this. Yeah, I take back eight point two definitely don't want to eight point two. Yeah. I think I would like another four point one or whatever it was Monday, just maybe a little bit closer so I can feel it a little bit of five. What about a five? I actually believe my real my real wish because we got in in the car from the airport memes in the car. And I was saying I wanted to feel a little earthquake and Brandon started freaking out and I was like wouldn't be funny if we had like a 3.5 earthquake. And there was just one death. It was Brandon from anxiety. So the actual earthquake didn't kill him. Hard attack. Yeah. Would be funny. You'd laugh. Yeah. I mean, we would we'd be sad, but we would also laugh. But Hank, if it's going to my whole point was if it's going to happen, why not have it happen when we're able to watch it from the coolest possible standpoint. If it wasn't a cliff overlooking the ocean. Yeah, what a way to go. But let away to go. You can also get to you don't want this right before your big bet. I know. What if I had to lay the soup? I know. So my cool throne is the Patriots because guess what? After this game, the Patriots will have played in 20% of all Super Bowls. Wow. How about that? It's awesome, man. Hank is, Hank has opted out. He is. He is out. He's unsubscribe from this email. We'll be back on Thursday. Don't worry. My other cool throne is Shields. Oh, I got Shields on the cool throne. The commanders have soft launched a new logo, which has everybody in DC very excited because there's a shield and now there's spears on it. So it's not just that stupid W that we have anymore. We got we got a shield now. This is something that that's pretty cool. This one that a loser franchise would really care about. Well, winner franchises are playing the Super Bowl. But the shield is it makes the W better. We have a few new logos kind of hovering around the Falcons. And then I think the Titans too. Yeah. Yeah. We're the we're the battle. The Titans get rid of the fire. The I don't know. There's a guy who's like bad mood. I apologize because I don't know his actual Twitter account. Sorry about this, but I'm shouting you out. There's a guy who's been on this for like months. And he's basically been picking up clues being like, I think I think the Titans are going to change everything. There's like a whole there's a whole thing that happens before. I think the Rams are also changing their logo because they put all of the jerseys on sale in the NFL shop right before they change it. And the Titans have done that. And the new stadium. And he's like there's some renderings with some new stuff. I think it might just be the sword. Which would be cool. So yeah, this is what what many are speculating pretty cool logo. The new commander's logo. It's pretty cool. Yeah, that shield. Hank, what do you think? That's pretty damn cool. It looks like I don't know. The shield. Little evil. Yeah. Good. Good. You like the spirits? Yeah, it looks like actually like it looks like a Star Wars like. Five. That's cool. Yeah, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, this is very exciting times. All right, my hot seat is I have two. One is that rat fuck punk, Satani Phil. He said six more weeks of winter. I hate that fucking hedgehog whatever he is. Do the Phil stat for our Patriots. I don't have that five out of the six times. We want to support both Phil and Sina Shada. So oh, awesome. Let's go. We're just me and Hank and so bad. We weren't watching. We just hit a fist bump and Hank had a full cup of hot coffee and spilled all the juice. He just knocked it all. How am I to blame for that? You just just put me with a cup of coffee. This is so cold. That's cool. Yeah, I said that I think we should put anytime Phil does this to us. We should put him in a crock pot and just get a new fill. Yeah, I think is there a sad about how frequently he sees the shadow? I don't know. It feels like he does it every year. Yeah, it's fucking loser. So wait, Hank, what's this that? Every time he sees his shadow, the Patriots win. Five out of six times. Five out of six times. Five out of six times they've won. He's seen a shadow. They've won. Correct. And one was the last one that what was the one? Yeah, we've really gotten deep in these stats. He's looking for it. He's looking for it. Phil Buster. Last time was 2017. So he didn't in 2019. So the most recent one. Okay, got it. Okay, what about you? 2002, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2017. What happened in 2018? Against the birds. I don't know. What happened when you lost the soup? It's not saying. Oh, okay, let's see. It seems like a, when you come with your stats, come with them a little bit better. No, this is what you always do. Like I gave a stat and you just literally die. We don't, we ask questions and research and done a bibliography on your stat. Like what the augurably. I'm a lie. Well, I mean, when PFC comes stats, he comes stats. It's I worry about wins. Okay, but I got a real stat. Okay, here we go. Data. It's a fucking stupid ground. I'm a PFC. You got it. 2018. More winter. He saw a shadow. And then then the Patriots lost. What happened? 2018. They lost the Eagles. Nicholas. Thank you, PFC. All right. So we're out of context. This is what good stats do. Yeah. Yeah. They inspire us to do more research and add more context. My other hot seat is I went to the diner this morning. What, what do you guys order when you're by yourself in a diner? Because I feel like I, uh, I might be a little too, I might, I might be a little too aggressive with my order. What do you order? If you sit down and a diner by yourself, we're talking breakfast breakfast. I'll go like a traditional traditional like two eggs, hash browns, sat a bacon or sausage, and then sometimes I'll do like a pancake. Okay. Or one cake's eggs. Oh, so I'm not that far off. Yes, or I did pancakes oatmeal bacon. Today I did, and PFT came over. I was like, that's an overgruwel. I did, I did a yogurt parfait. Well, you had the pancakes sitting in front of the other chair at the table. So I didn't know if somebody else is with you. I did a yogurt parfait, uh, two eggs, bacon, potatoes, waffle. Yeah, that's a pretty good order. You do, well, you do the, the table cakes. I do. I do. Right. Yeah. But then I also added the yogurt parfait, which was probably aggressive. I realized as it came out, it all came out at the same time. You will, you know, the yogurt parfait is an appetizer. You needed to like cool you down. It was my body temperature. Well, I kind of mix it in. Okay. It's like it overheated as I go. Okay. And then I like to cool it down. It's like a nuclear reactor. You got to keep the rods nice and cool. Uh, and then my cool turn on his Lindsey Vaughn, who I didn't even know she was still skiing. Yeah. She is. I assumed because she was skiing, she probably crashed, which she did. She tore her ACL, but she's still going to compete beast. Fucking beast. Yeah. I saw she tore her ACL. I thought that was it. Yeah. That's a crazy cool turn if she just tore her ACL. How, how, how could one possibly compete? Uh, John L. Wade played his entire career with the 20 ACL. Phil Rivers. Feel like skiing is I, I, is it bad that like I didn't know Lindsey Vaughn was back until she crashed like the first time I knew that she was back with Lindsey Vaughn crashes. It's like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah, but I feel like she crashes a lot. It's she, she's torn both ACLs before. So this is the second time she's tearing one of them. I hope she wins. I mean, that'd be awesome if she won with that would be very ACL. My prediction crash. Another crash. Yeah. I think she's going to probably crash. Okay, Max, because Zach's not here, but we can feel him because we're all sick. Yeah. No, we're not going to get sick. We're just, if I don't say, if we, no, if we just say that we're not going to get sick, we're not going to get sick. My hot seat is Caitlin Clark. Oh, why? Because she was on some half time show with Reggie Miller and Reggie Miller. What half time show please do your search? I don't know. Who's the ID? What? Was it maybe a basketball half time? It was a half time. Was it a half time? I don't even know if it was half time. It was a free game. Okay. Well, they were talking about who they were talking about. They asked Reggie Miller what game does Caitlin Clark remind him of? And he said Peyton Pritchard and she was not happy. No, she's not happy. She's not happy. That's disrespectful. This is Peyton Pritchard, a great player. I think Steph Curry would have carried. I think she was hoping for Steph Curry. Yeah. I also like that Hank has raised the bar of this podcast where you better come correct. Well, your stories, facts, everything. Well, it's all related. It's going to be a demand excellence. No, you demand excellence from just me and now I'm demanding it from everyone else. Okay. Great. It's great. It's great. It's great to you. Well, I mean, I don't have to demand excellence from PFT because he's excellent. Hey, I got a question for you. Do you think that, like, could that be a compliment because Peyton Pritchard is known for him, those long shots at the end of quarters? Pain Pritchard is awesome. Awesome player. Yeah, he is. It's good. It's good. It's good motivation for P.P. I'm happy. I saw people were going to people are disrespecting him. He's motivation for Caitlin Clark. No, he's been catching ricochetes left and right, being like how like Peyton Pritchard's a bomb. How dare you compare him to him? And so that's going to fuel him. I think the fairness is that Caitlin Clark is the best player in the WMBA or if not the best top five. She's changing the game. I don't know if Peyton Pritchard is a top five NBA player. Yeah. The I saw it's we today said there's a non-zero chance that we've there's never going to play WMBA again. I thought that was interesting. Yeah. What's going on? There's going to be a lockout. Oh, yeah. Well, that 3v3 thing that I didn't even know existed, but nice. They you didn't explain if you know if you know a lot about it explain more go ahead. Two four players started a three on three league in the off season so that the players don't have to travel to Europe and they can still play and get paid and they've been selling out of Reno's it's doing really well. Wow. That was pretty good. Got you. We're in a dangerous territory. We might have to put our guns down because I don't I'm scared of Hank. Thanks. Thanks to the many accidents from us. I don't know if we can reach that bar. You're cool, Tom. Cool throne will be bat Bonnie. Oh, bat Bonnie. That's a lot. The Grammys happened on Sunday. I didn't really know that that was happening and that we got into the no editing room. I boycott it because there's no podcast and category. And I also forgot that the Grammys were on. Yep. Did you see? Yeah. There was a there was I think was on the athletic they like asked a bunch of players in the in the Super Bowl if they like bad bunny everyone's like I don't think that we should have this guy doing the Super Bowl. It's like okay. Why and who cares? I don't care about the Super Bowl halftime show. No. I'm just going to say it right now. No, no. My Super Bowl halftime show is Ben minutes. Yeah. My Super Bowl halftime show is also like taking a poop. Yeah. Seeing what live bets I can make. Yeah. Going to the spread. Right. Eating food. Yeah. Like is it okay to just say I'm going to say it. The Super Bowl halftime show is is is for checks. It's great when you're there. Yeah. The Lady Gaga performance in Houston is one of the best live performances I've ever seen. And I became a huge Lady Gaga fan. Okay. So then I take it back. And I'm not saying this for checks and people in the stadium. Women also love football but like for the bunny has some bangers. For the majority of like that point. People I don't I don't think the average NFL fan is like man I hope this Super halftime show is awesome. No. I don't give a fuck. The Katy Perry one in Arizona was pretty cool. She came out on that tiger. Yeah. I had less shark. And she's going to be a bunch of people complaining about it anyway. We already know how this is going to go. Yeah. Janet, the Janet Jackson maybe my first boob that I saw first boob ever. Wow. Could have been. That's good. New segment. Brianna was sick. It's going to happen. Okay. Let's get to so like I said at the start of the show. Dream on green. We interviewed him on Monday. We got he hung out with us for like an hour and a half, hour and 15 minutes. And we were planning on saving it for after the Super Bowl. But it was such a good interview. We're like we have to run this right now. So there are some times when during the interview, I think we said we're going to run this in a week. Let's pretend you got traded. We we were running it right away because it was that good. And then we have Scott Zoolach on the other side of Dream on green. And then we're going to do guys on Hank before we do that PFT. Do you have a challenge for Max? Yeah. So we did the left or the Pepsi challenge with with memes earlier. I want to see if Max has good taste or bad taste because I'm not as confident in Max as I was in memes. So Max, we've got two drinks up there. It's the Pepsi paradox. It's the idea when labels and bias disappear that an astute cold drinker such as yourself will prefer the taste of Pepsi. And it's a phenomenon. I think we've seen this time and time again that people with good taste prefer Pepsi zero sugar. So I'm there's more a referendum on Max whether or not he has good taste or bad taste. I'm really excited for this not because I get to drink two sodas, but I'm excited it is. Oh, that's good. That's what I didn't realize you do. Yeah, you got Pepsi zero sugar and people think normally it tastes better than Coke zero sugar. So all right, I'm going to I'm going to go for it. All right. First one. Yep. Nice sip. You can have more if you want. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's delicious. That's that's that's cup A cup B cup man. Okay. That's also pretty good. Max is just proving that Max likes soda. Okay. Science science works. Which one do you like more? Pick it. All right. I've made my decision. Yeah. And reveal is nervous. I'm nervous. Come on. You got this. I'm nervous. I'm going to go with cup B as the one I'd like, like, leet less. What? What? Why wouldn't you do the one you like more? Stop. Do I do more? One you like more. Like, cup A better is where you're saying I like a better reveal. Cup A. Cup A is oh, come on. Max is back to you. It is terrible taste. Bad taste. If questionable taste, Max. Don't be like Max. We knew that Max had questionable taste. Don't be like Max. You blew it. You deserve taste. You deserve Pepsi Joe with sugar. Let your taste decide. Go try today. Taste the periodic Pepsi zero sugar. And now here's Dremont Green. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is four-time NBA champion. Dremont Green also podcaster. Dremont Green show. I actually wanted to talk about that first. Do you think it's a little unfair that you like you have four NBA titles. You're an all-time player on an all-time team. And then you're also podcasting and kind of taking food out of our mouths. You guys got the best podcast in the world. I appreciate that. I was fishing for a comment. It worked. Absolutely. So, you know, I just get the little crumbs after Bob. We can't go out and play basketball. But I can't go out and do what you do. You have a pretty good podcast. And I do want to pay respect to you as a podcaster. I feel like you take it seriously. Yeah, absolutely. And you're very good at it. Sometimes it's a little bit unfair what you do where you have a game and you do something in the game. You get into a fight, get teed up. And I think sometimes you do it just so that you can get the numbers up on the next podcast. When you explain why you did that, which is a genius move. Yeah. Well, you know, and having a platform, sometimes you got to do something to give the platform something to spark it up a little bit. Yeah. So, but I take a beating for that though. Yeah. So as a podcaster, I respect it though. I appreciate that. You know, the podcast world is definitely respected, but in every other world, yeah, I get crushed. Have you noticed any difference? Like, what now that you're doing it routinely? Like in the locker room, where everyone's like, oh, is he going to talk about this on the podcast? Or, you know, because that happens in our, like, office where anything to get said can be said on air. No, I think I have a little bit more discernment than people realize. Yeah. I know what to say and what not to say from the locker room. Yeah. So I try to, I always try to hold that line. Yeah. I don't, I don't try. I always do hold that line. Yeah. I know how important it is to be on a team. I know the makeups of a team. You know, I've been on a team my whole life. So I always hold that line in regards, you know, the reality is people are dumb as shit. Because they're dumb as shit, if you say anything, yeah, they don't know anything. So if you say anything, they're like, oh my god, this guy's given all the secrets of the locker room. Yeah. When in fact, you're just fucking dumb. And so, you know, that's kind of how it goes. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. Have you ever been like had a clip taken out of context? And when they, when they read just the words that you said, without the stuff around it and all that, like it gets misinterpreted all the time. Yeah. Which also shows you how dumb people are. Yeah. Because you just took this, this little excerpt of that was all of 15 seconds of a five minute segment. And you ran with it. Yeah. You don't know anything around it. And so I find that often, but they say you want to hide something, put it in a book. And you want to hide something from these people, you put it on the show. Yeah. And then you type it up and release it. Yeah. And they won't see any of it. So I get that often, but it's got to feel good though, being able to control your own message. We're like, you know, in days past, it's like, all right, well, you got to wait for the post game or maybe a writer comes up to you. Now you can just say everything that you feel. You know, when I started the podcast, I had no idea that that's what it would do for me. Yeah. And in saying that that is one of the things I appreciate most about it. It's like, you don't have to go here. You don't have to go there. If you want to know what I think is right here, you know, and also to have that outlet, like there's been times where, you know, I've needed to just get on there and like, let it all out. It's hard to do that in a five minute interview or three minute interview. You know, and so I've, that's what I found as I got into the podcast space. It was almost like a indirect consequence that not quite quite a consequence. Yeah. And I appreciate it. But I had no idea that that's what it would do for me. Yeah. Because of me media narratives, I mean, we're we run with any narrative. There's a million that have been written about you. I actually had a question about that, which, so I think both these are probably not true. But if you had to pick one that was more close to the truth, is it you begged KD to come to the Warriors or you ran KD out of town? The one that is closer to the truth is, let's see, because it is funny how that works. You were, you were responsible for both. Exactly. You got you begged him to join and then you you made him leave. And begging him to join, no one said thank you. I don't have a town. Everybody said, fuck you. Yeah. Exactly. Double edge for it, man. But I would say the one that is probably closest to the truth is, I read him out of town. Oh, okay. Because I'm not begging anyone. Yeah. Yeah. I've worked too hard in my life to beg any one for anything. Quite honestly though, if we didn't win here before he was going to leave then. So I don't quite know if I ran him. Yeah. But I'll take that one. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. I do have one thing that you said on the show that I I will take exception to. Maybe you can tell me if I took it out of context, I don't think that I did after Deli cooked your ass in the finals, you said Deli stinks. He won two games in the NBA finals with Deli. You were talking about LeBron. I got a lot of this actually my favorite quote of all time. I got a lot of respect for Deli. He stinks. I respect him completely stinks. Do you respect him? It doesn't sound like you respect him. I have so much respect for Matthew Deli Vadov. Okay. To come from Australia, go to a small college in St. Mary's. Have zero athleticism. You get close to the non-respecting part of that. He has zero athleticism. And yet the man was like guarding the hell out of Steph Curry. Yeah. You know, like that is short will determination. Like grit. A knowledge of the game that people don't give them credit for. You can't be that unathletic, but that effective if you don't have an extremely high basketball IQ. And so I have a ton of respect for Deli because he's so so hard knows. But like both things can be true. Like I can have a ton of respect for him and he stinks. And that's just what it is. Respect and smelling good doesn't quite go to God. He stinks. Yeah. But I respect him. It's like you're saying that you respect the fact that he's so unathletic that he was able to overcome that and become a good basketball player. Yes. And like what what Deli play eight nine years in the NBA? Yeah. Come on man. That's incredible. That is to be respected. But make no mistake about it. He's still staying. All right. I'm getting closer to understanding what you're saying there. So I'll back off a little bit. Yeah. I think I have more respect for Deli than you do. No, no, not at all. Is it we're going to get a respect off? Yeah. I have a lot of Deli so much. No, I got a ton of respect for Deli, man. A ton of respect. Can you do a Deli impression? Yeah, mate. All right. Yeah. It's pretty good. You do respect Deli. I believe you. I believe you. You said something there are basketball IQ. Do you think that I would argue that you have probably the highest if not the highest top five basketball IQ right now in the NBA? Do you think like you I've heard you say that the game is actually slowed down for you on, especially the defensive end where you know things are going to happen before they happen. Do you think that's fair to say that you have one of the highest? Yeah, for sure. I think, you know, that's, you know, it's speaking of Deli. I'm not that athletic myself. But that's what's gotten me by. Yeah. It's just knowing more, knowing the game, being able to see things before they happen. I definitely 1000% have a top five basketball IQ in the NBA for sure. Who else is on there? LeBron IQ is off to charts. Joker has a very high basketball IQ. Let's go. So I say myself, Brian Joker, no particular order, just throwing out the five. Myself, Brian, Joker. Steph's got to be in there. I mean, Chris Paul is still technically in the NBA. He is. Chris Paul is. Yeah. Right. So I got to go with Chris. And then the problem with Steph is, it's not that he doesn't have a basketball IQ. It's that he almost gets dropped down because his shot can get him out of any problem. Right. You know, so when you shoot the ball as well as he does, you don't always have to think you can rely on it. Yeah. You can shoot your way out of it. You know, and it's a different thing. So that's the problem with Steph for me. Yeah. It's like he shoot the ball so well that you could just shoot your way out of the problem. You don't necessarily have to always think about the problem. Yeah. But extremely high basketball IQ for sure. The fifth one, I'll have to go with... campaign. No way. Yeah. Uh, Luca. Yeah. Okay. Luca's, Luca's smart as hell. He said to, and James Harden, James Harden does not get credit for his basketball IQ, but you cannot run an entire office like James Harden does getting everybody to the correct spots with no matter who's on the floor with you. Yeah. And still be able to do that. I think James Harden IQ is very underrated. I had a question about Steph. When you, you've been playing with him for so long, does he have a different look when you know it's going to be one of those nights where it's like, oh, shit, he's going to make everything. One thousand percent. And that has to be the best feeling ever. Absolutely. I'll take it a step further for you. I can see in his run like how he takes off running of where he's at, you know, and when he's in that moment, it is one of the best feelings ever because you know what it does to a team like there as incredible as Steph is. I think the thing that stands out to me most about him is like any guy in the NBA can get it going. When he gets it going, what it does to a defense is different than anything we've ever seen before. And I think that's one of the most impressive things about it, but I can see it like right away. Yeah. The gravitational pull where it's like every, the whole defense is basically focused on just him and then everyone else is open. Absolutely. And you know, sometimes even for him like the defense is so key to him that it's even just hard for him to get the pass out. Right. You got four or five guys over the top. But there will never be a player guarded like that again. Like the way he's guarded, the NBA has never seen it and will never see it again. That's why when everybody's complaining about, you know, like why are they grabbing them like that? You know, like why are they like why are the referees not calling these files? I think it's unfair too. But again, if there was a guy to come about say 10 years from now and he moved like Steph without the ball and was that dangerous, I think the NBA would actually do better at calling those files. Yeah. But this is the first time they've ever seen that. It's not as easy to ruffer. Yes, people think it is. And he never stops moving. That's the craziest part about Steph is when you watch him and you're just like, how is he? He literally just never stops moving. He does. It's incredible. But his level of conditioning like to do that. Like sometimes, like he's sometimes he's even just moving without a purpose. Like, but that's just who he is. Like he's just going to continue moving. But then boom. And and a quick beat. He just take off. You know, but it's it is always to like your defensive possession to arse with Steph when he when he gets off the ball. Like like now the possession starts. Right. And people haven't figured it out. Yes. 10 years. What is it about when he starts to run? What can you see when it's like it's going to be one of those nights? Well, I can't give that secret away just yet because then people would be able to read it. And I don't know the thing that they need to. But there's a certain run he has when he's in. And like, there's a certain run he has when when his mind like, I'm not really here tonight. I'm here in the physical. He's locked in. But I'm not really truly locked in. And this tonight, there's a certain way he runs when he locked in. It looks a little different. Yeah. Yeah. Um, back to the basketball like you think. Do is there an art to setting a perfect screen? Yeah. 1000 presents something that you've honed over the over the years? Absolutely. And playing for time is a, you know, we spoke about coaches. You cannot play for time is a little if you don't scream. And what what you work on every day is how to scream, like screening, positioning, foot positioning. And you got to put your body on someone or coaches are going to call you soft and every other word in the book that you don't want to hear. Screen positioning, we work on every day and how to guard ball screens. We work on every single day I mentioned state. And so I've always known how to scream. And I've gotten better and better as my career is going on. But that was required. Yeah. Me at Michigan State. But I think, um, a couple things you need to understand who, who, who, one, most importantly, who it is that you're screaming for. Because who it is that you're screaming for changes, the type of screen you need right for stuff. I need to screen a little higher because the defense is going to be so glued to his body that in order for me to get the screen off, I have to screen a little higher. For most guys, you need to screen a little more on the lower side to give them the possibility to turn the corner. Right. But for stuff they're up so high. In order for me to give him the chance to turn the corner, my screen has to be a little higher. It can be on the low side. But also on the flip side of that, no one's going under a step, step, step, step, step, step, step, step, roll. So I can set the screen as high as I want to because guess what you're going to do. You're going to chase over. Yeah. Because if you go under your dead anyway. Yeah. And so it's all about understanding who it is that you're screaming for and then what it is that you're trying to get out of this screen, right? And I try to get this guy basket out of the screen and I try to get the first domino to far to create this out of the screen. But I think there's a few different things that you need to understand going into the screen. Yeah. Is there an art on the role after the screen? Like how to keep that screen going for an extra half second as you're rolling away? 1000% depending on based on how your guy is guarding you and how this guy's guard of stuff is going to determine my role. Do I need to open up and roll to create this space? Do I need to quick slip off the roll and get out of it to create the pocket fast because they're trapping? You know, it's different different things based on how they're guarding and what that will determine how I'm getting out of my screen. It's almost it's almost beautiful to watch when you're rolling out of a screen and you do take that step and it's like you add in an extra screen as you're cutting to wherever you need to be. And it really does open up the office. 1000%. You know, you add a little bit to to to to not a moving screen. You're not gonna get out. Yeah. I'm not gonna wait. I'm not gonna leave. Absolutely. You got you know, you got to learn a few tricks to destroy. The bass rollercare area. The you mentioned iso one of my favorite things that happens pretty much every single year is Thomas O loses his shit yells at a player maybe grabs a player everyone freaks out and it's like like, the coach can't do that. And then pretty much every single guy that played for him comes out and is like, no, that's totally fine. I love it. Because it's just like everyone has his back. They're like, he, the, like, this is a coach who will coach you hard, but he loves you. And that's the best type of coach. 1000% because if you're just watching from the outside in, you're like, oh my God, I can't believe he just spoke to him like that. However, you haven't seen the 100 hours of meetings and work that this man has done on that relationship. So if you're just looking at it, you're judging this based on how he should speak to you because you don't know him. Right. And he don't know you. Right. You're not judging based on how he should speak to that guy. He's coaching because of the relationship that they have. And so when we, we all come to his defense, it's because we know the amount of time that he's spent building that relationship up so he can do that very thing. You know, he's just not out the gate like, oh, like, no, he's out the gate like, you know, come to my office. Yeah, let's go to lunch. Let's sit here and watch film. Let's do this. How you doing? What's going on back home? How's your mom? How's your dad? How's your brother? Hurts your little sister struggling with this thing? That's all the stuff out the gate. Right. By the time you see him go completely, he's done so much work that he has the right to do that. But guess what? And what makes him special? And what we all appreciate about him. Is he has a rule? Hey, if I speak to you guys like that, I can't just sit on this high horse and this pedal stool and you can't say anything back to me. Say anything, say something back. Tell me how you feel. The worst thing you can do to him is go silent. Yeah, because he gets so mad at that because he don't know what you're thinking. Right? Say something back. But then you always tell us, but if you're coming to catch it, bring it good. Because I got hundreds of hours of film where you're doing it like this. And I'm going to take you right to that film and show you why I'm yelling. And so it's a give or take. It's a relationship that goes both ways. And we all appreciate him, man. Like the love that we have for time is always going to do. You can feel it. And it is very funny to watch because it's a lot of people who don't know him, like make casting judgment. And then the people that know him the best be in like, no, that's totally fine. That's how he coaches. And that's why he's been so successful so many years. 1000% and why we all have the success we have after we leave him. Yeah. Whether that's in basketball, whether that's in business, whatever it is. When you've been coached up like that, when you've been given the game that he gives us, like the trajectory of life changes after you meet Thomas. Yeah. I got a question about that too. Getting drafted by the Warriors and like playing with staff. And obviously, and Steve Curry, who I want to talk about as well, like the way they were able to unlock your skill set, do you think about like if you had gotten drafted somewhere else, if your like career head just would have been just totally different? I think I think draft positioning, draft place. I think that's one of the most important things for anyone in this league. You know, I always speak about when young guys fail, no one ever says it's the organization fault. It's always that guy's fault. He did this, he was this way. I, it's never the organization fault. I hate that because then on the flip side, it's always the organization. Right. And do I think it would have looked different for me? Of course. Like I've had the opportunity to play with two greatest shooters that I ever touch in basketball. And I am an incredible screener. I'm an incredible passer. And so I'm going to benefit from that because it enhances my skill set. It allows me to really dive into what I do great. However, there's always this narrative of like, yo, your career would have been so different as you and I got drafted to the Warriors. But people tend to forget I've been here for so long that I actually came here when the Warriors were shit. Yeah, you were drafted to a bad Warriors. I wasn't drafted to like, you know, people look today and they're like, oh man, like, if he wasn't drafted to the Warriors, he'd be shit. But no one said when I got drafted to the Warriors that that was going to be the key to my success. I made that success. And also, I mean, like even if you're talking about before KD came, like you playing at the five, like that's not something that a guy, usually your size can do that. And the Warriors did it. And then you basically made, not I'm saying you made it all go. But I always like watch the, the, you know, your first championship was like, Dremon is the chess piece that teams don't have here. That he can, he allows them to do stuff because you can guard so many positions that made it so it was like such an exciting new basketball. No, yeah, I appreciate that. I think that was, you know, at the end of the day, we all benefited off each other's skill set. Me being able to guard bigger than my size, you know, allowed us to play faster. Right. Once we, once that allowed us to play faster, it helped everyone, you know, it helped our entire group because now, everything's fast, the shooting, the cutting, things are happening at warp speed. Well, if you put a seven foot center there that moves a bit slower, it's not happening at that same speed, you're not getting the same advantage. You know, and so I think all of our skill sets, you know, really helped each other. And that is the importance of having a great general manager to put together a great team to where your skill sets benefit each other. If we go get five guys with the same skill set and I'm gonna show you a very shitty team. Yeah, yeah. Because that's never gonna work, you know, so, but in saying that, you never get me to say, or not you in general, but just saying in general, you never get me to say that this place did not play a role in my success. Yeah. You know, I've been here for 14 years, the continuity that we've had, the skill sets that we've been able to bring together. Of course, they played a role in my success, but I really laugh when people like, yo, he's so lucky, he went to the Warriors like, no, man, these people won 23 games the year before I got here. Yeah, I was not lucky. The Warriors were the laughing stock of the NBA when I arrived at the Warriors, but what a compliment that people think that, like how great I must have done for people to say that, because they don't even have a recollection of me passing out tickets downtown Oakland for free and getting on the bar as a team activity, giving out free tickets as a rookie. They don't even have a recollection of that. How much success you must have had for them to not even have a recollection. That's what I'm taking. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's fair to say that if you have elite shooters, it shows how valuable a person with your skill set can be. It maximizes that value. And it's like, yeah, this guy is a key part of any sort of championship culture because you had that talent also around you. It's really, you're right. It's like the perfect mix of skill sets at the perfect time, create the perfect basketball team, which is something that nobody else can say. It's like, that's an amazing accomplishment. And when you got to the Warriors, when they decided, when Steve Kerr was like, I've got this idea for the death lineup to go small on them. What was that installation process of that offense? Like did everyone buy in immediately? Were they like, yeah, this can work? Or was like, this is kind of crazy. I'm not sure if it's going to pan out, but we'll give a shot. You know what's interesting? And then just going back, like taking a trip back in time, it wasn't a thing. It was just like, yo, like any other rotation in the game, right? Like, I don't know if people realize that everyone always get into this, like, why are coaches subbing like that? What? Coaches has substitution patterns. They have these substitutions written down or written down on a sheet of paper before the game even starts, right? And they're just going off that sheet. Yes, every now and then the coach is going to say, all right, we're not doing that one though. We're going to plug this. But for the most part, they've gone through analytics. They've done all of these things. Well, we know this type, this lineup that they play at this time matches up awful against this type of lineup. So this is the lineup we're doing. Like these things are really drawn out long beforehand. And so when we started the death lineup though, getting a little old, it wasn't quite as drawn out. And so that was just kind of like, oh, we're going with this lineup, right? We want to get our five best players on the floor. Myself, stuff, clay, Harrison, and Andre. Sometimes Harrison can be Sean Livingston. But we want to get our best players on the court. Okay, that's the lineup we're going with when we need to close games and get our best. And it kind of just morphed into what it became. It wasn't like this idea of like, oh man, we're going to go with this small lineup and it's going to hurt teams like this. You kind of just fell into it, you know, like, and then once you see all we can guard, because that's the real test as in the lineup working. Yeah, like once you see like, oh, what this lineup give people hell because they can't keep up with it. But we can actually guard them on the other end. Yeah. Then it kind of morphed into like, oh, it's this death lineup. And it was given a name and all of these things. But initially, it wasn't like some big deal. It kind of just like, all right, this is the lineup we're going to now. And we just fell into it and it was so dangerous. It kept growing and growing and then there became different iterations of it. And I got a dumb question that's whatever. I just wondering the feeling of it, you know, the death lineup in those Warriors teams. How awesome was it when you guys, because I feel like when I think about those Warriors teams, I think about just watching a game and having it be you guys maybe down five or even a tie game and then three minutes later, you're up 15. How sick was that? We just like, this is just the best thing ever. Yeah, it was, it was, because it really would be like that. You'd blink and you'd be like, what the fuck just happened? 1000%. It was, it was, it was a little, misleading for us. And what I mean by misleading for us was, sometimes it would allow you to cheat where you wouldn't, you'd be like, we'll just come back from editing. Because you know, like, out there up 10, we'll cover that in two minutes, no problem. Yeah, like, and so in turn, it kind of leads you down this path. Sometimes that, you know, Oakley share play every possession in every game. Like I, it kind of leads you down this path that we all know it's not the right path. We should be headed. Yeah, right. But in doing so, you also know like, yo, we could turn it on and flip this thing in two minutes. And so there was always this feeling that felt great of, were never out of the game. Or, yo, we about to just blow these dudes out. Like they didn't let us stay, or up to, we're down to for too long. We about to blow these dudes out. And so it was always great having that feeling of just knowing you're never out of a game. And you can take over a game at any moment. Yeah. It would be, you'd be more shocked at the time for us. You'd be more shocked when it didn't happen. Right. You're like, oh shit, like we just try to turn it on. It didn't work. It was very seldom. It didn't work. But when it didn't, you like, man, what went wrong there? How did you go back and watch the film? Like, ah, all right. They hit shot here, though. We couldn't get this ball right. But it was, it was more surprising when it didn't work. And off that, you guys also like the patented, when I also think about the Warriors teams, it's the third quarter. And so what would happen at halftime? Because it would just be every third quarter, there was that stretch, where no matter what, third quarter would happen. It would be a tie game. And then you guys would be up 20. So I think for us, number one is, again, we've always been guarded differently than anything has ever been guarding the history of the NBA. So number one, you get a half to see what it is that they're doing. We're like, all right, they're doing this. This is how we gonna pick this apart. And pick it apart and you're gone. But I'm gonna tell you this part of it that no one seems to understand or talk about ever. And that's, you know how a team sometimes can become snakebitten? Like they get this kind of mentality of life. All of a sudden, something go wrong a few times. And then they get to that point in the game. And you can see them start to go, oh shit, like, here, go again, is it gonna go wrong? We were the opposite. Right. And so for us mentally and for other teams mentally, you have a few great third or quarters and people see this, they start to believe it. We start to believe it. Yeah. And so then it's kind of this perfect storm of life. All right, what we now believe in this third quarter thing. Right. And now we know you believe in it. Yeah, because the other coaches probably telling them, hey, watch out third quarter. They're gonna jump on us. And all of a sudden, stuff come out of hit two threes. Clay come out of hit two threes. Don't let me hit one. Yeah. Like, and you can see on their face like, here we go. And so it was a mental thing as well. I'm saying it wasn't just like what we were doing so much physically. It was a mental edge that we had as well. If we start doing these four third quarter's everybody start talking about it, we start to believe it. Other teams start to believe it. It's like game six clay, right? Like the phenomenon that is game six clay. Clay had a couple good game sixes. Everybody started talking about this. He literally I can see I can I kid you not. He started to believe that it was a real thing. Who's just game six? And he would walk around like, all right, Dre. It's game six. There we go. Game six, you know what time it is like he started to believe like this this phenomena. And guess what? Game six clay now, it's a real thing. And so it's kind of long, no same lines, right? Like it came mental for us. It became mental for other teams. And we leaned into it and it worked out for us. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, if you hit one three, what are the chances that you take a second three immediately after? If I get a good I'm not someone that's going to hit one and just cast the next one. I usually don't get, but if I hit one, that next one is highly likely I'm shooting it again. Yeah, if you have like a sliver of daylight, yeah. I'm glad you're here. Because you know, you might be hot. No, for sure. Might be in the zone. But you know, for me, getting hot, not really a thing. Because if I'm in a zone and I see you open, my first instinct is just pass it to you. It's not even a thought of like, man, I just hit my last two. It's just my natural instinct. So if I catch it and someone's right there while I open, naturally I'm just catching a swing it. Because that's what I've done my whole life. That's what I've been taught. You see the open man. You get the open man to ball, right? And so I've never truly been able to, like scoring as a mentality, right? I've never truly been able to dive into that side of, I'm hot, I got it going. I'm taking a shot. Like, no, if I see somebody open, I'm a swing it. That's just kind of who I am naturally. It's a great teammate. Yeah, great teammate. I like to think I'm a great teammate. And I feel like there's a lot of fan bases around the league that hate you. But if you were on their team, they would love you. You'd be their favorite player, right? 1,000%. And my day I've probably had quite a bit of success against their team. So I'd hate me too, if I were to. Is this a weird week for you? So we're recording this on February 2nd today, right? Yeah. Groundhogs deck. So it is the trade deadline week this week. Is this an especially strange trade deadline for you? Because there have been all the rumors. And you're like, at any given time, your life might change in an unpredictable way. You know, I'll be 100% honest with you. It did not get weird for me until today. Oh. It got really weird for me today. I started my massage. And my massage therapist, the first 30 minutes this morning and my massage was talking about me getting traded. I've dared him want to trade you. I can't believe that I heard this. I read that. It was this thing. And I was just sitting there playing dominoes on my phone, like, oh, yeah. And she was going in about it for a good 30 minutes. I kid you not. I thought nothing of it. I got to practice today. Think nothing of it. Go through the entire practice. And earlier in the practice, Coach was like, what's up, Dre, how you doing? You good? I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Coach, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. After practice, Dre, come here. Call me over. Dre, how you doing? You all right? You sure? You good? I'm like, yeah, I'm great. Coach, he like, oh, because all this trade room and stuff, I know it can be, and I'm like, oh, that's when it got real for me. Yeah. And so, and complete honesty and trend. He was like, well, how is Hazel handling? Hazel's my wife. How is Hazel handling? Is she good? And I was like, honestly, Coach, I haven't said a word to her about it. So she's not nervous. She's fine. That's when I started getting a little weird. Yeah. After practice today. So before today, no. And saying that, honestly, what's to be is going to be. What's going to happen is going to happen and what isn't it, isn't? You know, I've dyed my beard black and worrying about that. It's going to send to bad gray. Yeah. So was that a move to be like, hey, I'm actually younger than you think? Don't trade me. No, I did it. I'll tell you what it was. So close friend of mine got married this summer. Taylor Rooks. And when she got married, they had these black and white portraits at the wedding. And beautiful black and white portrait. And my wife and I was taking, we took our portrait. And we got the portrait back. And like, my wife looked fucking gorgeous. She looked amazing. And I looked like her 49-year-old uncle. It was black and white. And I mean, the silver was like popping up. I saw her own a picture. But the second thing I saw was the silver over her shoulder. And I was like, it was that day that I said, oh, hell no, the gray got to go. I know. I tried to dye my hair. It just takes so much work. It is consistent. I shot out the brownie blans. He kept it together for me. Because it requires a lot. A lot of consistent work over and over. So I get, yes, you are right. But no, it wasn't so. It wasn't so they think I was young. It's so my wife think I'm a little young. So you might get trade. You might not. It would be weird if we ran this after you got traded. Do you want to say, knowing that we're going to run it next week, do you want to say anything to Golden State Warriors fans? Oh, man. No, I think. Yeah, I think for me personally, this is breaking news. It's been, it has been an incredible 13 and a half years. I have no reason to sit and worry or think about being traded. Because if I would have done that for the last 13 and a half years, the amount of worry that I would have done, isn't good for anyone. Even greater, you know? Yeah. 1,000%. It worried me more than trying to get the NBA finals was worried me and causing all the grays. You know, and so this is home for me. No trace changing that. What I've done here is what I've done. What I've been able to accomplish with these fans, with this team, with this organization, none of that's changing. And so I am forever grateful. This is my second home or my third home. East Lancers probably my second home. But this is home for me. And nothing's changing that I don't get caught up in to it. There is no hard feelings, no one owes me anything. Yeah. I am grateful for my time here. If it ends, look what we've done. Like how amazing is it that we were able to accomplish what we've accomplished, that we were able to change the path of history, change the way the game of basketball has played. All of that in 12, 13 short years. Like that's not that long of a time. So I'm forever grateful for my time here. The fans have been amazing. The organization has been amazing. If this is where it is, all good things come to an end at some point. If this is where it does, it's been a hell of a fucking rock. Okay, now give a message to Bucks fans, because you just been traded there. A message to Bucks fans. You said you miss winner. No. No. I'll tell you what, flying to the snow, it's much better than living in the snow. Yes. I would imagine. It's much better. So yeah, I haven't experienced anything with them. I haven't had much of a message for them. And even if you do end up leaving, you might come back. Yeah, we're not shutting the door on that either. I don't shut the door on it. Yeah, now do that. You left. You played from Milwaukee for a few months now. It's resigned with the Warriors over the summer. Yeah. Say goodbye to Milwaukee first. Yeah, yeah. All your memories in Milwaukee, please talk on that. It's been incredible three months. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Go watch your fourth home. It's been incredible three months. Hahaha. Um, I hope they enjoyed the time we share. Hahaha. That's beautiful. Well said. Well said. Hey, we were mentioned three. Remember when you used to take a lot of three? I used to shoot a lot of shooting. There was games. I was looking at some of your game logs. It was like, you know, 11 three. Yeah. That what happened? Well, you know a few things happened. Um, one. We got Kevin to write. Yep. Well, you begged for them. So, you know, yeah, beg it. Someone had to give up shots. You can't go beg for someone. Yeah. That's fair. But two. Um, so. 2018 maybe 17. Whatever year was that we swept the cast. I think it was 18. If we went into game five, I couldn't play. Oh, my hit was so jacked up. Yeah. I couldn't walk after like for days after I had to literally sit on a couch like this. Just sit my hit was so messed up. And in turn, it changed my movement pattern. So it changed how I dropped into my shot. It changed everything. Also around that same time, we were playing. I would never forget it. We were playing as the Detroit Pissons. And Jovell McGee was guarding the picking roll and he got beat. And so I came over secondary after to help at the rim. And I come and I go off one foot to block the shot on the glass. And when I blocked the shot on the glass, Jovell McGee ran into the backside of me. And it like pipped my arm to the glass and my body kept going. Oh, I dealt with that shoulder injury ever since. And so we can, I mean, you can tell. I've dealt with everything. We see how you shoot. And so now fast forward. I then lost confidence. Right. So dealing with the shoulder injury, dealing with the hip injury, I didn't lost confidence. So I catch the ball. And I'm like, no, I'm supposed to shoot. But I don't feel comfortable shooting with the shoulder because this time I may shoot and it may come all the way out and be perfect. I want it. Or I may go up and it may get stuck right here. And I just push it. And so in turn and dealing with that, then I lost confidence in it. Yeah. And once you lose confidence in this lead, it's usually a death sentence. I was able to fortunately able to do other things at a high enough level to make it a little less important. Yep. But so then now you fast forward. And now then all of a sudden, people no longer see you as a shooter. So then you're trying to get over that hurdle, right? Because you're trying to get over the hurdle of like, I want him to believe in me shooting. I want to. So all the regards to all the work I put in, if they don't believe in it, you're then trying to get over that hurdle. And it was just kind of an ongoing process until getting to this year and I finally like, yeah, I'll go over six. I don't care. You know, like, but it took me a while to get back there just mentally. Like I'm talking years of just trying to get past like the shoulder thing and like worrying about that and actually being comfortable enough to just like, no, I'm just shooting it is what it is. That's what I'm supposed to do. That's what the game telling me to do. I'm a shooter. So what you just did is kind of fucked up because you just stole like one of my favorite things to do is make fun of your shot and you just stole that from us because you have like all these real reasons that are like real injuries and the mental part of the game. So I'm not happy that you did that. Oh, I apologize. I'm sorry. Do you still make a long practice? Because that's the craziest thing. I always say like we we we're lucky enough that we've met a bunch of guys in the NBA. We actually have, you know, at our office, a full court. We've had guys come trained for the draft and stuff. And I always say to people like, if you watch a guy in an open gym, you realize the difference because they might be a 35% shooter in games. They will make 90 out of 103s standing in an open gym. Yeah, probably 99% of the people that think I can't shoot, I'll take their life's sentence. Yeah, right. No problem. Right. Annihilate too. Like not like, oh man, he hit one shot. It was no. Like to you, I'm Steph Kirk. Right. Right. Right. So you're making me. I'll tell you this. Yeah. I am a damn good shooter. Like damn good. But again, and getting over the mental hurdle, it's like a golfer getting the yips. It's like getting back over that mental hurdle was such a big deal. Like it was so hard. I'm talking about like to the point where I'm still even today, I have to make sure and do work to know that like, no, I'm still over that hurdle and like not to fall back into that. Like it's an ongoing thing. Yeah. And then you add in, I'm always going to see if step of step is open first. And if he's even a little open and I'm all the way open. It's him. I'm a third of bar. And so always having to see that, I think sometimes for me also like that would throw off my rhythm in the shot. You know, as you catch the ball and you rise it up, that's a rhythm shot. You catch it. You look. All right. You're totally different shot. Yeah. And so it was a perfect storm and saying that. I think one of the things that I'm most proud of is I came into the NBA. I scored the ball. Yeah. And to become who I've become not doing that is one to me, one of the biggest accomplishment because I became ultimately who I wanted to become in a completely different way than I thought I'd become that. And so to me, it's one of the things that I'm most proud of. So that's good because I was looking up mean tweets about you and someone's tweeted, do you think Dremon makes any threes in practice? So now we have an answer to that person. Well, it was me. I actually tweeted that. Oh, I love it. We should. I'll give you some odds too. Yeah, we'll do it over Jim. Yeah. You'll kill me. I know you know, I'll give you some odds and we'll make it fun. Okay. If I was locked in a gym with you and I had if I scored two points against every, if I made one basket on it, I get your whole life savings. Great. But I'm not allowed to eat or drink. I can't like have any water. Am I dying in that gym before I get your life savings? Yeah. I couldn't get a single basket off. No, no, no, no. Because it's for my life savings. Yeah. So the level of defense I'm going to play. Yeah. For me and hell. But if you don't score, then I get your podcast platform. Oh, they are SS feet. We're doing an RSS feed. Okay. Okay. Okay. Two on one. Because I got to have a way to get your life savings. Two on one. Two on one. Two on one. Two on one. We smoke you. No, oh my god. I'll do it. I'll do respect. You know, good. I am a shooting. I'm the guy who said that you don't make any shots in practice. So let's do this. Let's do this. Two on one. This would be so embarrassing. I'm more deli than deli is. You think deli stinks. I really stink. Two on one. Okay. Man. Barst bad. Bad. Bad idea. Two on one. Let's go. This ends with us just like in tears just screaming about how big our podcast is. You don't realize that. For sure. And like, I get the audience. Yeah. And they're not. They're not allowed to unsubscribe. No, because they like you guys more than me. They're stuck with me. But you have to have Hank on the show. So it's you and Hank and our producer and you would do the podcast. Okay. Then we keep that we keep the platform. Yeah. I got a serious question for you. Do you ever think about how you ruined basketball? It's good question. Thank you. I'm not you not you specifically the Golden State Warriors. Yeah. Steph Curry. Everyone shoots. Everyone shoots threes now. That's the game. And you guys were great. You guys broke the sport of basketball. And now every kid that's in high school is like, I'm Steph Curry too. You ruined it. You know what's interesting? Do you like to apologize to the sport? No. But what kind of a Gregor say I like to take this time to apologize to absolutely fucking no one. Yeah. By the way, we did the McGregor Mayweather. Yes. The two of us were as drunk as you could possibly be. And I think I walked up to you and was like, hey, come on our podcast. Come on our podcast. It was you and Paul George and I'm surprised. And you remember that while I was looking up all tweets and I have a picture of me drunk trying to get you on our podcast. So that's neither here nor there. Look here. This is you. That's a picture I took. We just ran up to you. You know, that's when that's when you see what a tire. That's when you used to go to a fight suited and boot it. It was a whole thing. Wow. What a tire. Yeah. We showed up like to the fight. And when we were walking in the person who was selling beer outside was like last call. And we were already were drunk and we're like, oh, fuck, it's last call. It wasn't even it's Vegas. There's no last call. So we just started pounding drinks. We don't remember anything from the fight. We were so fucked up. Well, it was a firefight. It was very fun. Yeah. But back to you, Rooting basketball. Sorry. Yeah. Side. You were about to apologize. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. You know what's crazy about that is number one. The only person that gets credit for ruining basketball is Steph. No one else gets credit for it. Only Steph. No, no, no. No, no, no. Because it's ruined. You're all the Steph. But I remember the first very first person to say that was Mark Jackson. He said it on air. He said Steph Curry has ruined the game of basketball. And everyone was pissed off. Yeah. And he said, no one understood what the hell he was talking about. And he had just left, right? And everyone was sensitive about anything Mark says about us. Coach Jackson to me marked everyone else. Everyone was sensitive about anything he said. And I remember when he said it and everybody was just like, how dare him. He's mad. He's got fired. This that another. And it wasn't long after that. And it was like, I don't know where we were like, oh, no exactly what he meant. It definitely ruined the game of basketball for everyone. I don't apologize, though, for us because everything must evolve. And we were the next evolution to the game of basketball quite honestly. People don't realize it, but the game is changing now. And it's a way from what it was that we did to become so successful. It's always changing. We were just that time period. When you win, we always say it's a copycat lead. When you win, everybody copy up. We need to do that. For multiple years, but he was a six pick in the draft because everybody was looking for the next step. Right. You watch NBA draft. Everybody. Oh, man, who's the next Dre Montgomery? When you're having success, everyone wants to copy it. Now people are going away from that. People are looking at OKC. What can we do here to mimic that? It's just a copycat league and it was just our chance to do it. But I will say I think we probably, we probably changed the game more drastically than anyone had ever done. OK, can you apologize for something else you ruined? Yes. You ruined the humor of hitting guys in the nuts. Because every time you hit someone in the nut, everyone's like, well, we have to have a serious discussion about Dremon and stuff. Sometimes it's just funny. I agree. It's so fucked up. It's so messed up, man. You ate a lot of guys in the nuts. Is there a favorite pair of nuts you've hit? Oh, man. You know what? Sometimes I'd be so oblivious that I don't even realize I had them. I mean, the person who's in the game is the best. The picture of the Stephen Adams one where he's just standing perfectly upright. That's one of the funniest pictures of all time. He's like this. Yeah. All right. What I will say, the one with Stephen Adams, I was really trying to flop and like sell the call. Yeah. But man, what an unfortunate spot to be in for now. Yeah, standing nice and proper, like looking at you like a gentleman. I have a theory about some of your technicals. Is there ever a time when you're like, I don't really feel like playing tonight. So I'm just going to get a technical and get kicked out right away. I've done that one time in my career. It wasn't the Rudy Go Bear, right? No, he tried to get Clay, man. Yeah. That was a, I was ready to. He surprised you didn't tap. Well, he did. He did tap. No, he did. Oh, he fully tapped. Okay. All right. So it's a one time because I, I do like that where you're just like, I don't feel like playing it. It was a, I think I can't recall. I want to say we were playing a sacrament of kings. I think it was, but it was the game before I'll start break. Okay. And I was like, you already get the fuck out of here. And I said something to the referee and I was walking away. And I was like, this is my chance. BYE! Tech out of here. No. That's the one time. Any other time. Some of them be so garbage, man. Like, we have a thing now on our assistant coaches. He go, he go around the locker room. People like, I was watching him all day. He really wanted to play. Yeah. But they got a lot of heroes from garbage. Like, so, you know, I, I, I mean, I'd be lying to you if I said I've never done that. But no, most of the time, man, I like playing back. The fun part is the game. It's the playing basketball. Yeah. All the other shit we have to do is like the miserable part when you actually get to play in the game. That's the easiest part of the job. Yeah. And when you got Rudy like that, you had to do that. You had to be a teammate. I had to be a little... He was crossing the line. He was crossing the line. You had to let him know, remind him. We made him still here. We made him a little history before. Yeah. You know, I think players should be allowed to fight like in hockey. Why not? Oh, you want to hear about it? Right. I seriously believe that a lot of the like, oh, is this bad for the league like if there's violence happening on the court. We don't talk about that in hockey. If two players are like, okay, let's go at it. Give them 30 seconds. You'd have a lot less guys talk. Yeah. Yeah. A lot less. I think it'd be great. So it'd be amazing. Here's a rule that I've actually pitched it to Adam Silver. And I would actually, you'd be perfect for this rule. I think there should be every single player in the NBA should get to fight one fan a year. Woo. And you get to call him out. But once you use it, you lose it. So how quickly would you use it? Five. Because then, but then the rest of the year, everyone can talk shit to you being like, he, remember, remember the, remember game two against the Warriors. He beat the shit out of someone. Then I'm just stuck in the same spot. I'm in now and I didn't whoop somewhere. Yeah. At least that time I did get to whoop somebody. Now I'm just stuck here and you can, I can't whoop. But that would solve the whole like fans getting crazy. Call him out and you go to center court and you fight. They, they will stop. Says it on your ticket stub like a player can call you out if you get unruly. Mm hmm. It would be awesome. A lot of people will stop. Yeah. Well, there would also be a watch for the ears. Yeah, I was gonna say call out for guys would not sure you don't call out the wrong guy. Watch for the ears. It's a great tip. You got to make sure you don't call out the wrong. Did you all see this guy a couple of weeks ago? Maybe it was a UFC fighter. He was out of game and the guy was trying to call him out and he just smiled and like walked off. Oh, no. Yeah, it was at a football game. I think it was. Yeah, if you smile and lie down, that's a problem. He lucky that guy has self-control, man. Yeah. Because you better call out the right person. Yeah. Do you think fans have gotten crazy over the years? Like, have they started across the line more or is it just more players or starting to call them out? I think they've gotten crazy over the years because you saw like I think the leagues, I say leagues, not just this league, the leagues overall. I think the leagues went so far left to where it's like a player say something back you find and it's announced. To where people then start making it a point to try to get you find. Right. Yeah. And I think the leagues have done a great job of like, you know, we're not just going to keep finding our guys because you're saying what you want to say to them. And they they turn back human and say something back. You know, I think the leagues have done a much better job of that because what you realize is not much comes of the back and forth. Boom, boom. Right. There's more attention on the thing once you do the fine. And it's like, oh, this moment happened. This was said, and then fans overall, they're like, oh, man, I got this guy to lose $25,000. I got this guy to lose $35,000. Right. I'm going to say this to this guy next. He's going to lose, you know, and it was almost like they kind of had this right of passage if you would have just start talking and we lose money. Yeah. And I think the leagues have done a better job of that. But I think that's what created it. Fans got much crazier. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite championships? My favorite championship. It's hard to top the first one because it's your first, like it's the first time you experienced that. So it would be one and four. Oh, so you really don't like KD? No, I love KD. I'll say you up for that. I knew I had listened to an interview where you said one and four. I love KD, but, you know, the first is the first. Yeah. And the fourth, I think the argument is the fourth kind of came not came out of nowhere, but it was a little shocking. It didn't come out of nowhere, but it did. Like, again, I mean, stuff after every playoff series, we, we'd be walking to an interview together and we'd be laughing and looking at each other like, man, how? Yeah. We just didn't know that initially that it was a championship team. It wasn't your typical championship roster that we had experienced. You know, we, like, there was a certain experience that we had. We hadn't experienced that. And it was just like, man, but we knew what it looked like. We knew what it felt like. And so right away at the beginning of the playoffs, we like, man, we got something here, but, but it was crazy because, because no one expected it. You know, and so, then also a part of me, like the competitive nature of me, I don't think I ran Kevin Durano. I don't think so either. But, but everyone's going to say that and I'm fine with people saying what they want to say. But the reality is, in people saying that, because people does, then the, then the competitor of me is like, okay, well, if you say I ran them off and I made a mistake, where they're here, how you go? Yeah. Now I'm going to win another one. Like, now, now I did it again. Now what? Right? Do I still got to hear about that? Because I just went and did it again. And history would say, if you win one championship, like, you're lucky. Yeah. This is the fourth, but let's just count this one. Yeah. Is it enough? You know, like, since I ran this guy off, here you go. You know, and so that's why that one is like, you know, my, like up there with my favorite as well. And we are, Kevin Durant's actually a white whale to come on this show. And he, I mean, I actually think he's gotten to the underrated part where like, because he claps back at people on Twitter. So people try to kind of like defend thing where people know they can get a rise out of them. But he is such an unbelievable player. When you were playing with him, when, when he was out of the team, like, it had to feel like you guys were invincible. Because I mean, we talked about stuff. Kevin Durant's also unguardable. Like, you can't guard him. And he makes everything. Well, he steps definitely unguarded. Okay, he's got an original. Yeah. Um, he, he was a cheat code for us. Like, that's the reality. Like, once we got him, and then like, once we got him, we knew, like, obviously we already knew we had a great team. And then you add Kevin Durant. And it's like, yo, this is nuts, right? But there's a, there's a adjustment period. You know, like, you add a big force like that. It's not like, like, that's not a plug and play. You know, like, you have to account for Kevin Durant being on the floor with you on, on your team. And so once we added him, there was kind of this period of like figuring it out. And what it really was that needed to be figured out was him and stuff. It wasn't anyone else. It was those two. And the only thing that they needed to figure out was, when it is that you're going and when it is that I'm going, which is ultimately how most people do it. What they figured out was that wasn't needed. If you're going, you're going, if I'm going, I'm going, if we both go, and we go. But this office is predicated on ball movement anyway. So the ball is never just going to one person is sticking there anyway. Like, that's not the brand of basketball we play. So while trying to figure that out, it wasn't as easy. Like, we were so talented to where we were still winning games at a high clip. But it wasn't, we weren't invincible yet. And then we lost to the calves that Christmas day. And Kevin told stuff after that game, he said, hey, man, you do you and worry about you. I'm going to get mine. I'm fine. Stop looking for me to try to call a play for me. Think of you need to find, I'm good. I'm going to get mine no matter what. Be staff. And that was there. Yeah. And from that point on, till Kevin left, we wrote. And so we knew, once we got him, because people tried to forget. But the most unguardable action in the NBA at that time was a me and stuff pick and roll. Teams did not know what to do with it. They spent summers trying to figure out. And all these different schemes trying to figure out what are we doing to stop these guys in the pick and roll. Then you got to play on the back side. So once I get it now, I'm back side actually, forget about it. Well, and figuring that out. Well, now guess what? We just going to throw the ball to Kevin. And you can't double. And so then what teams start doing, they start bringing the double off me. So then we start hitting me, DHO's stuff. He wide open for three, because your man went to double down there, DHO play wide open for three, because your man way down there, we're going to use that against you now. And so that's what made it so unguarded was because we still played our same action. And Kevin is good enough and smart enough to fit right in that action. But then anytime they stopped it, hey man, there you go. Yeah, go get a bucket. And it's automatic. It was like, what are you going to do? Yeah. Like you got Kevin to rent most in most cases, by the way, playing one on one with your second best defender. Right. Because you put in your best defender now and stuff. You got Kevin to rent playing one on one against your second best defender. Like that was some teams that was start, they start putting four men on Katie. Like, what are y'all doing? But you're, but they're trying to figure this figure out. And he might think of you all 45. Yeah. And we just throwing the ball. Yeah. Was there a game where it was the perfect game? Like you could be in that iteration of the Warriors, could be in another year that you had. But was there one game that stands out to you where it's like we have reached the perfect stage of basketball evolution. Everything worked at game unstoppable, unguardable. Not very long after the game that changed it. Yeah. If you remember back then NBA scheduling was very predictable. Usually there was a rematch on Christmas day. Yeah. I mean, I was in the finals. And on, and on Marluit the King day. Marluit the King day Monday. There was a rematch of that game. So there was a rematch Marluit the King day versus the cast. I think we beat them by like 50 something point, 40 something points. We beat the dogs shit out of them. And, but because Deli was gone. Couldn't do that when he was on. Yeah. The dream on stop. That's what they said. They called Deli the stuff stop. Deli surely I facts. But like that game. And on Marluit the King day. It we were like, oh yeah. Like there's nobody can beat us now. Like we got to figure it out that we know how this works. It's over. Man, we annihilated the calves that day. And it was that day that the whole league knew like, oh, they figured it out now. Oh, notice, do you have a favorite stat line that you've ever had in the game? We have some for you. A couple of them. The obvious one is Memphis, you know, where I had to triple double without the points. That was the obvious one because I felt so. I felt so in a rhythm. Like defensively. You know how like people get in the zone. Yeah. I felt like I could just put my hand out and they lead to a steal. Right. I felt like I could do no wrong in that game defensively. Like just a crazy rhythm that I don't know if I felt that many times that day. But that day I did. That's really interesting to think about being in the zone on defense. I don't ever hear that from somebody. But if you're getting tensed, tensed steals in a game. Yeah, you do. You must feel like you're in the zone. Like I feel like I'm literally like it was like my hand was a magnet. Like one time I was helping up top. I'll never forget it. I was like, what's the McCallard drove middle mark, Mark? Mark saw I just reached my hand and got still. I was like, oh shit. Like I had no idea. I was just trying to make them pick the dribble up. That game. Another famous game is the game in OKC when Steph hit the shot. It's also the same night that me and Steve had our thing in locker room. That Lisa Salters then went and reported when she was standing with her ear to our locker room door. I had two points and maybe 15 rebounds and 14 assists or something like that. And I completely dominated the entire game. I was one for three from the field, two points, like 15, 16 rebounds, 15, 16 assists. And that game took a few steals, a couple blocks. That game to me also like I knew wild, wilder game was when I'm like, I'm dominating this entire game. I have a score to point. That one to me really, that was one of my favorite ones. What actually happened to that locker room? What actually happened was, Steve, I shot two shots in the first half. They were both top of the key threes. And Steve had just come back not long ago. If you remember that year, Luke Walden coached us. Yeah. Steve was out sit. And Luke was running plays for me. I was coming off pinned down shooting threes, everything like I was averaging almost like 17 points of a game or something like that. And you know, when you're going through the season, everything happens fast. You know, like it's a game tomorrow. And it's a game the next day. And you look if you have a day off and it's a game the next day like everything's happening at warp speed. And so we're going through the season. And once Steve came back, I felt like I wasn't getting the same opportunities that I was before he came back. And so I had already started just getting more and more upset each game like more and more upset. And you. And then you know, we get to this particular game. And I shot two shots. And they showed the two shots. He showed the two shots shot on film. At the time I had eight nine rebounds eight assists I have time. The two shots I miss two stills two blocks. The two shots I miss you going to show both of them on film. Straight mind. I think we can get a better looking at something like all right. So now I'm a very logical thinker and everything has to make sense to me. And so I'm like, all right. So you want to me to take one shot this half. All right. Cool. You want me to take one shot. All right. That's bullshit. All right. And then Phil the clips go on. And the second shot pops up. And so now I'm in my head like. So you want to me to take zero shots that I took to. And so when he said that I'm like, all right, man. Like I get it. I want to shoot. And then he went nuts like, try my what the fuck he came wrong table, cussing me out. And I went back out of a little bit. And he was screaming at me. I was screaming at him. And then I got back to my phone after the game was like, whoa. I had no idea what we were talking about in the locker room is going to be broadcast to the world. Right. But here we are. It's crazy. Yeah. Crazy. It's funny because you mentioned earlier, like, iso likes it when you yell back at him a little bit. I think I saw a clip from last week. There was some player. He was yelling at him in the huddle. And then the player like cussed back at him. Is there given this little smile? Yeah. This is good. I like that. Is Steve Kerr like that? Does he like a little confrontation? Or seem more like Buddha, Zen shit. Steve is not like that. Like, like is one confrontation. Like that is looking for is looking for you. That's the only thing that when he said that my mom could score on you. Absolutely. Yeah. This mom's 99. The absolute worst thing you can do for time. Like I told you, Johnny, it's to stay silent. You stay silent with coaches. It does not go over well. Like he, because he's just going to keep going back at you. Like he'll look away start talking about some end dangerous turn back and start yelling at you again. Like, because he can't get over. Yeah. Back that. Did he hear me? Did he not hear me? I don't know. He didn't say anything. So he keep going back. He's looking for you to say something back coach Kerr on the other hand. He's not as confrontational. Yeah. But in saying that he and I for a very long time, not anymore. I just matured and learned to shut the hell up. But he and I for a very long time, like that was our relationship. That was our dynamic. Like he go at me. I go at him. We coming to Huddling. I could be not doing much wrong. And our team is like stinking it up. And he coming to Huddling. Just go ape shit on me. Try to run you. What the? Are you doing? And then I'll go back. Man, I have. And then before you know it, our team is flying up and down the course. He uses you. He knows you're the lightning rod. Yeah. He would use me to get out of the pit. So for a while, our our dynamic was that. Go back and forth. As our team started to change. I knew I had to change that because. That team responded to it well. You know, like that team, that's what made that team go. Was like up. They get into. Let's go. You know, like that was a. Thing that we could use. Every team don't respond to that. Well, so what's the piece that started to change for us. Then we had to alter that because all of a sudden you guys coming in. They're having been here. And they see me and him going crazy at each other. And they may think that they should do that. Right. And they could just get thrown off like man, it's crazy over these two dudes yelling at each other. And they just don't know and understand the dynamics. So as our team roster started to change. That dynamic had to change. Not more so for him and I though. It more so had to change for everyone else. Right. What is it about Steve Kerb? Because I feel like MBA is the one league where a coach doesn't get a ton of credit because everyone's like, you know, whether it be Phil Jackson or Steve Kerb, they'll be like, oh, well, he had a super team. You know, he had the, he had the best players. What does it matter? You just rolled the ball out. So what is it about him that's like, no, you guys don't understand. Like what he's able to do for this team. Yeah, I think a lot of people always say that is like, yo, man, like he had this roster that he couldn't lose with. But like, we've seen better rosters. You know. But yet, anytime someone's trying to make someone less meaningful than they are, than they use the very things that they use against other people. So for instance, I suck, right? Like I'm not that good. I can't shoot. All the things that people say. But I was one of the most important players on that roster that you said he couldn't lose with. Right. That he couldn't do nothing to fuck up. But I suck. Right. You know, like those two things don't don't align. Yeah. Really add up, you know. And so there's this narrative of Steve that like he had this roster that he couldn't mess up with. But he's the one that brought the office of style that changed the way the game is played. Because we were together two years prior. And we did well. We made the playoffs a couple times. They hadn't made the playoffs much here at all. I think two times in 23 years. Then we made the playoffs my first two years under coach Jackson. But our offense wasn't the offense we ran. And so we were a good team up and coming team. But we weren't arguably the greatest team ever. You know, we weren't the offense that changed. And so he then came in and brought a system that created that no one speaks about that. Yeah. You know, it's always like, oh man, like steps to greatest shooter ever. So they were able to do this. But how did stuff end up in that offense? Right. Who did that? Right. That just come out of thinner. Right. You know, like, and so what Steve brought was a, I'll never forget his first practice. Up for actually like, yeah, pass it. Stuff caught the balls. But faster, I'm like, man, Clay called past the ball. I'm like, what is wrong with this dude? He's out of his mind telling clay and stuff to pass the ball. And you catch the ball and he's yelling swing it. You like you, how didn't even have time to think like. And so he brought this system. And ultimately we thrived in and I'll never forget. We're sitting there early in training camp. And then you know, you know, you're like, man, you keep telling us to pass. How is stuff in clay going to get shots? And he said the ball will always find who is supposed to find if you just move it. And so then our our style of play was born, you know, he'd brought that. Steve Kerr has won nine championships. Five is a player for as a coach. Make no mistake about it. That's not coincidental. That's not coincidental. One of the most underrated things about winning the championship. And one of the most underrated things about the aftermath of a championship is the know how. In 2022, we won because we just knew how. We knew how to do it. That is one of the most underrated things like what makes this OKC team dangerous is because they now know how. I didn't worry about them much last year. I wanted to meet them last year because I knew we knew how and they didn't. But they know how now. Now once you do it, you know how to do it. And so Steve was Steve brought was the know how like he knew you could walk around. Like man, we want to win a championship. He actually knew how to do it. And so when we went through our first run, he was the comment force, like the veteran leader that you would have. It said we had no veteran leader that had done it. So it was him. And he calmed us. We're down to the one against Memphis. It was him like, yo, we good, aren't they straight? Like don't worry about this. We're going to make this adjustment and they don't. Huh? Yeah. You're like, what? We made this one adjustment. They was done. Yeah. And so ultimately right then and there, he created and gained this belief in us from us that then allow him to just go and flourish and be who he is and give his because it's like, oh, we knew we got a guy. He know the answers. Like this guy knows the answers to the test. Yeah. And so there's that. And what Steve bring, he always knows the right answer. When it comes to adjustments, which playoffs are all about, he always know the right adjustment to me. I have never one time seen him not know the adjustment to me. That's crazy. And it's incredible. And it's like, Dele. And he got Dele. There's no answer for even made an adjustment to show how bad Dele stuck for real. I mean, he even made that a chance. No, but it's a good point because it is the NBA. One of the things I love about the NBA is like you, you don't just become champion. You kind of have to go through the wars. And like, you know, like even last year, whenever I was like the rockets, the rockets, the rockets. And it's like, they haven't been through it. Like you, you have to lose before you went 1000%. Yeah. And it's just doesn't, it's not just like, up, we got the team and here I go. Not that's just, it just don't quite work that way. But we had took our couple losses, you know, and he came in. And I'll tell you, man, when Steve came in, we were not like, we weren't talking about championships. Like I remember like, that just wasn't a thing. We weren't just talking for sure enough with what he brought. 30 games in we were because we realized how dominant we were. And we had this belief and we knew we had a guy that knew it. Yeah. Right. And so then it was like, okay, you start, but he didn't walk through the door talking about winning a championship. Right. And I now understand why he did not. I didn't then. But now I do. Because it's so cliche. When I hear some of these guys talking about winning championships, they just get in the media and be like, I said, yeah, I want to win a championship. I'm going to do this and win. I just be sitting there shaking my head. Something like, you don't have a clue. You don't know how to do it. I don't even know why you sit here talking about it. You don't know how. Right. Like that is one of the most important things in doing it. It's the know how the reason LeBron James made it to all those finals in a row. Not because his teams was that great. He knew how. Right. Right. Like the reason we went to five in a row. Once we did it, we then knew how. You know, like it is so vitally important. The spurs. They kept getting back and you thought you think they're done and they knew how to do it. Yeah. It is the most underrated thing when it comes to winning a championship. And quite honestly, it's so underrated because most people haven't won. Yeah. So they don't know that you need that thing, but you have to have that. Yeah. So how do you stop OKC from repeating? We've like penciled them in for the next three champion. They have every draft pick ever and every draft moving forward. We've just said, OK, this is about the start of their dynasty right now. How would you stop OKC? I think. I think you have to. Automally decide what it is that's going to beat you. Is it shade is going to beat you? Or is everyone else going to beat you? And. If you don't pick one, they all going to kick your ass. But if you pick one, I think that's the way to survive. So if I say I'm throwing all my guys at shade, he ain't doing it. Everybody else got to do it. Lou Dort. Caruso. And if they beat you that way. It is what it is. But you have to pick one. Yeah. And I feel like for them. No one ever picks one. Like it's like shade is doing what he's doing. Everyone else is doing that. You have to pick one. And if you don't, they're too good of a team. When you just allow them to run their patterns and do what they do. And like they're too comfortable with that now. So if you have to make them do something else. And the something else is one of y'all are going to beat me. You're going to beat me. But it's going to be just you. Or the other guys. Y'all going to beat us. And it ain't going to be shade. But I don't. Teams aren't doing like why does shade never get trapped? Why does shade hardly ever get double team? Like why? It's a good question. So he'll kill you. It wouldn't kill me. Yeah. And beat me four times. Yeah. There's this story that's been out. Derek White saying what I said in NBA finals. What did you say? What do you say that you said? He said that I said in my interview after game one. Like Derek White not going to beat us from three. Derek White then got in the gym. And he came back next year. He could beat you from three. But I knew right then and there in that series. He's not beating us from three. Right. If it's going to take that marker smart. Derek White and Al Horfer. And he's going to combine for 17, three in a game to beat us. I don't think they're doing that four times. Right. Right. And so to your point of Caruso. Then the thing has to be. Okay. If he beat us one game. You can't just fold it and change everything. And change it tomorrow. Yeah. Because your bet is. Is he going to do that four times? He will. And that's ultimately what it was down to. In most cases. This is just not. This is this isn't a Caruso thing. This is just in general. In most cases. The answers no. Because the guy who can beat you four times. It's a star. Yeah. Because there's that's what they do. Right. The guy who's like, oh man. He's just having a game very rarely are they the ones beating you four times. It don't really happen like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's good point. With those other guys. There's been a lot of different people that have come in and out of this Warriors run that you've had. If you were to make them outrush more like the top four role players that have contributed to this extended period of success. Who would you put up there? I'm a role player, right? Well, no, no, no, I'm you're the core. Oh, okay. You're the core. You play staff KD or the core. Yeah, yeah. Andre. Yep. Sean lives. Jared Jack. Okay. Interesting. Um. And I would say our centers, a mix of Bogot, Zaza, Javell, Minky, our centers were extremely important for us because they gave us a the versatility to be able to switch out of the small lineup. And when you go to the small lineup, it's more dangerous because you can't prepare for the whole game. You got to prepare for this other style of play too. Other style of players, dangers as well. Having the lob thread. Zaza wasn't quite the lob thread, but Bogot and Javell, Minky, lob threads, you know, and that. I always tell people, when you have a great lob thread, a great lob thread is no different. It does no different for your space and then a great three point shooter. Because a great lob thread, you can't leave their body. You leave their body. It's up in the air and it's a 95% completion rate. You know, a great three point shooter Clay Thompson. If you go help on that role, you ain't getting back to him on the shot. It's the same thing for a great lob thread. If you leave that guy body while I'm coming down hill, I'm putting that ball in the air. There's zero percent chance you can recover. Yeah. And so I would say our centers because they were great lob threads. And then like, it's like I said, Zaza wasn't a great lob thread, but he set a tone. Like, Zaza, when Zaza was on our team, David West, too, would be in this group as well. Like, they just always set a tone for us. When those guys were on our team, I wasn't the guy that just had to set the tone. You know, I wasn't the guy that, you know, if somebody need to be put on their ass, I have to do it. I, at that time, I didn't, I wasn't the guy that always had to do that, you know, because we had centers who were tough as hell that they would do that, you know. And so I would say a mixture of the group of centers, what would be the forefront of my rush. That's fair. I used to, I love watching Javille McGee. He's liable to do anything on the court at any given time. He's one of the best lob threads I've ever played with. Yeah. Like by far, like even if you threw Javille McGee alive and he couldn't dunk it, a lot of lob threads will just let it fly out of bounds. Mm-hmm. He will still grab it and come down with it. And that's so important. Like he's one of the best lob threads I've ever played with by far. All right, Jury, mine. I got one last question. This has been so much fun. We really appreciate you giving us the time. A rollback question, R-H-O-B-E-C-K dot com promo code take. 20% off your first purchase, Q-Zips, Polo, Soudees, Jagger, shorts, rollback dot com promo code take. So we started the whole show interview talking about podcasting. Everyone goes subscribe, Dream on Green Show, great show. We'd love to have you back on any time, especially talk playoffs. I do have to say, though, thank you because you were actually an important part of this show. And we've been doing it for 10 years now. But one of our first segments we used to do was PR 101, where we would try to help out athletes that maybe getting a weird bind. And I remember vividly, I think it was a summer of 2016. It being like, oh, this hit. And it was because you may have gotten hacked on Snapchat. I remember that. And when you said that the move, because you said you got hacked and then you said you didn't get hacked. And our take was if you say you get hacked, you need to just go full hacked. Yeah, as a stay with you. Start like tweeting like swastikas and like crazy shit and crypto scams. And just be like, look, I'm actually hacked. You should have done that. You know the problem with it is. I was so drunk. I don't know if my mind could have gone that way at that time. And we were in Houston. And it was Olympic time. That's when we were on that tour. We played a game in LA. We played a game in San Francisco. We played a game in Chicago. We were playing a game in Houston. And then we were headed to Rio from Houston. It's a close flight from anywhere else in America. Miami, or Houston. And man, I had been drinking all night. I was going to bed for like 45 minutes. It happens. I realized it happens. And I'm going into this meeting. We have a team meeting. And I deleted it, but I'm in this whole. You know, it's not to let me in. I'm in this meeting, fucking sweat and bullets for that. I don't know. I'm not going to have it coming out of this meeting. But God damn it. And, you know, it just did not feel good lying. And I was hacked. Yeah, because it was clear you weren't hacked. It's not me, man. What if you had done RPR, you would have been hacked. I should have. I could have just covered up with a bunch of random shit. It's like, oh, fuck, dream on hacked. Yeah, right. PS5, give away. Yeah, right. You're one thought. You're one thought. This guy is so hacked. But, you know, hacked is the first thing everyone. Oh, I've got to say that you got to do that. Because most hackers do hacking the phones and they're like, I'm going to tweet out a picture of Dremont's dead. I know. It was brutal. That was a brutal time. I'll give you a funny story about that time in my life. Too much of this time in my life. Suspending from game five and NBA finals. Lose the NBA finals. Get arrested for slapping the shit out of someone. He's slacking mission. And then that happened. That was all. Two and a half weeks. Yeah. And I remember after the fourth one, Bob Myers called me and said, okay, you done now. Are you done? He said, I've been letting you live. I came to side and watched the game. What you are you suspended from game five and the finals. Just tell me are you done? Yeah. I said, Bob, that's it. I'm done. I hit for the cycle. I'm out. Yeah. I'm by the head to the Olympics. Yeah. When me a gold medal and shut up. But I'm done. Yeah. Nothing else for me right now. I'm done. But that was a funny time. That was I was stretcher. It's like when it rains and pours, deaths comes in threes. Mine came in force. It was brutal, man. Brutal time. Yeah, you should just now. You know, if you ever get hacked again, just keep going with it. I keep like five different pictures of other men's penises on my phone. In case I ever send out mine. I just I just put the other ones up there and they don't know which one's mine. Yeah. Yeah. I think they don't know which one you are. Yeah. The problem is now though, you can't. I do the fake hacks thing. Like if one of my teams loses, I'll just I'll tweet out like given away a PS5. But now Twitter will actually like lock your account. I got my account lock last time. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The I think it was last March madness when the Badgers lost in the tournament. I did like given away a PS5 and they kicked me out of my account for 24 hours. Twitter? Yeah. And it was all I knew I was doing it. I was tweeting like, you know, please sign up, you know, free. I'm giving away three PS5s to prove that like to show that I'm hacked so that people will stop being mean to me online. And then they're like, you must be hacked and they kicked me out. So you know what? You must be to drain my green of Twitter. I don't know. Because I've gotten some text that I've seen. Guys, get text. I've gotten text for a lot less. And it's seem like I've seen people tweet way worse things. Yeah. Yeah. They're really got strict on it. And not get kicked off. You got kicked off for a lot less. Like a lot less for hours. Yeah. That's brutal. Yeah. It's just because they thought he was hacked. Yeah. Okay. But not because they're sick of you. No. No. Well, mine is just the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, we'd love to have you back on any time. And congrats on everything. Congrats on getting traded in Milwaukee. You're going to love it there. Welcome back. Yeah. You know, the bad cheese curts. Cheese does not sit well. You're going to get ready to learn cheese, buddy. You like here. You like drinking beer? I'm not a big beer. Okay. No beer. No cheese. That's about all they got. That's about all. It's going to be tough. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to cross the Michigan. Yeah. There you go. That'd be a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. I'll tell you what. I've never been more worried about getting traded than I am. That's conveniently where we both post this. Well, Dreymont, thanks so much, man. Really appreciate it. I appreciate y'all having me. Incredible work, y'all. Do a big fan of y'all show. Thank you. Been keeping up for years. Oh, our favorite stat line of yours. I can't remember what game it was, but you had like five points, five assists, five rebounds, a technical and a flingering. That's the perfect dream. That's the dream. That's the dream. That's the dream. I think we called that the the dream on hat trick. Yeah. It's like you did it on. You really made sure everyone knew you were in that game. That's like what Jimmy V says. Like if you can laugh, cry, hug, all in a day, that was a great day. Yeah. You had the perfect basketball. It's the perfect day. Yeah. Y'all are barstool, right? Yeah. I think they've taped Dave Porton. All right. Go on. Oh, I think you made a shirt that said dream on his a bit. That's why I hate him. Yeah, that's fair. That's a fair rival. And then you know what? I found out he was a Michigan guy. Yup. He calls you little bro a lot. A lot. What a clown little bro. I love that. It was crazy. As much as I hate him, I actually appreciate how he goes about his shit. Yeah, well, you guys are, I mean, you guys both speak your mind. I love how he goes, but I fucking hate that guy. I love how he goes about shit. I even watch, I even watch his one by piece review. Yeah. I love how he goes about shit there. Yeah. But then when he calls you little bro, that guy. Yeah. I guess that's how people feel about me, huh? Yeah. Yeah. That's a very lot. Fuck. I hate this guy. Oh. Oh. Straight mom green was brought to you by our great friends over at twisted T twisted T. Maybe it's T season. 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He does a radio show every single day. It's number one rated midday show to country number one in country. Yeah, what's the title cast and all that? Well, we don't have your outreach. Obviously with podcasts. My producer, Tom, we won 37th last week. One podcast. This guy's one. What were you two? We were one. You're in the top one 40 though. That's where you want to be. Yeah. So it's Scott Zollack here. And he's he's here. We're back, man. Paces are back in the Super Bowl. So let's start with that. Did you ex there's no way you expected the Super Bowl this year going into the season. Let me take you back to August. Okay. What did you think this season was going to be? We thought today would be somewhat of a okay. So over and under on a team. I think it was what seven. I can't begin. I said there'll be somewhere around eight or nine because we were in games a year ago. We only won four. But we didn't know how to win. They weren't well coached. That's no no slap at your odd. But we got Mike and you saw the type of staff he's putting together like Doug Morone's a former head coach in a league. He's a line coach. He's got three assistants with them. Josh has an assistant. Josh has been her forever in New England. He's going his night Super Bowl. So like you know, if you knew we knew Drake was good. We know Drake was this good. Yeah. And then at what point in the season were you like, oh, this is now because you know, there's been a lot of talk about the schedule. But they kept on answering. I think the bills game on that. Yeah. Football game. That got it started. Yeah. Like that that Sunday night Buffalo got it started because the outdoor Josh Allen. Okay. Okay. Did jumpstart it. Because then we had a stretch of games. Winnable games that we just start stacking them. I think it was what 10, 10, 11 in a row. And we got to Tampa. And they said, well, they went in Tampa. You know, Tampa was coming off the buy. Then I really got a shot here. So we beat Tampa and we get going again. Then we're up 21 points on Buffalo at home. We're thinking this is it. The Buffalo comes back. Beat us. Now how they responded after that was Baltimore. And we beat Baltimore that Sunday night down there. I knew we had shot at this thing. Yeah. Kind of shocking to the content of that. Yeah. Like to start the season you lose to the Raiders. That's wild. Right. Back on. So in the Steelers. Yeah. And that will the Raiders like, especially considering how the how the season turned out in Las Vegas. So what do you know behind the scenes? Like what happened after that game? They kind of flipped the switch. So Mike said, I always asked Mike. And he goes, it's second half of my heavy game. So Miami was week two. We never went in Miami. Because weird things happen down there. Even when Tom, you know, Tom would bleep the bed down there. We say shit. Shit. What the fuck? Fuck. Yeah. This is great. How do you get number one? You got to be on the air. See, we got to do this. Sit there. Damn. Whatever regulation things we have on stupid F3C. Yeah. How many of you have seen a bleep button? Oh my god. Tom, I mean, what? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?! a bill in Tom for 20 years, we were in machine. Number one seed every year, it wasn't like where are we gonna play, how are we gonna play, where are you gonna play a team, like which team are you gonna get second round, right to the division of round. And it's automatic Super Bowl, I call my six Super Bowl. So I mean like, you lose track of it, not to make fun of the Bears or anything, but you look at the beginning of your season, and you know, you bench Caleb, what a year ago. You can bench. Soft benching. Yeah, soft benching. No, you can't bench at all. What kind of, no we did. I'm not talking about the country, but it's talking about it. He played the whole seed. What do you say? He didn't even bench. You didn't play that well, Tom. You didn't play well, you didn't have a coach. Mentally wrenched. But he did not ignore the way we never benched, straight make. Let the record show, he never, but Drake made it and start the season. But I, okay, so I have a lot of, Drake made was benched. Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Caleb as this year went on, because I mean, the comebacks and to sort of play with the system, and you know, he's such a system coach. You know, obviously coming from Detroit. And at times, like you got to let these guys go out and make plays. We go through that with Drake, because Josh is a real stisomatic. You got to do what we say, eight yard curls and eight yard curl. We're going to do rub routes all this stuff, but the second Drake gets off containment. He's making plays, nobody can make. And he makes plays with his feet. I mean, you saw it in the, was it a Chargers game where you had that charge at the end of the first half? Yep. And why is he telling, okay, but he doesn't, Denver, yeah, he doesn't run that sneaky. Am I fucked this thing up? Yeah, that's okay. Sorry, Max. Just killing it right now. Is this like tech equipment? It's pretty hard to have you say the headsets on it stuff. I remember when we did this, what? I know it's been a long time. First Super Bowl. I did what you guys. We were outside of the, on the street. And we had the goldfish out there. Yeah, that's right. It was. It was. Yeah, 2019. You were in the club. So you guys had a credential. Yeah, you were in the, you were in the back of the van that we had. Correct. Yeah. I love that. I'm on the street. You're super on the street. That's what I'm talking about with the goal fish. Yeah, yeah. You got enough chairs outside. The Houston Super Bowl party. We were saying before one of the best nights ever. So my wife comes out and meet every Super Bowl over the years and like, she doesn't even like the game. She likes to go to the party. So we would always do out of guy Jordan Bershet, who I worked with with CSTV. He was one of the content guys at Maxim. So we always had to get at the Maxim party. Maxim party was like the best party. Playboy party got overstactive dudes. Like, you know, you had, seriously, you get to make it servers with, you know, they have a paint on their body. Yeah. But there's like one of those compared to like 500 guys. Too many dudes. And then after about eight playboy parties, you said, this is enough. But I thought like the best Maxim party was at the Fairmont, the undefeated year we were there. That was a good one. And I've been all of them. Been all those. And the barstall party in Houston. It really was. That job rule. And a shot. Yeah. That was the first thing I would think. Oh, that's DMX. It's a pretty good impression. It is, right? It's a pretty good impression. Job rule. Like Dave's like, he's late. What should I do? Dave's up there. And he's like, you know, taking the things. And the best, best moment of the night Dave's taps me to the shoulder. And he goes, Tony Romo's called me. He's like two blocks away in line. What should I do? I'm going to let him stay there. This is great. Yeah. It was the literally the greatest ability to get liquor. And we had that private area in the back. And I don't know if you guys remember the private area. It was elevated. Yeah. There was a curtain there. But there was, it dropped off the wall. But I think it was Blake Bortles and Jared Gough. And one of them had them falling off to take it back. We had them. We had them. We'd tell the story, but they all came back to the house after. And I remember the next morning, Jared called me and was like, Hey, where's Blake? And I was like, what do you mean? Where's Blake? How the fuck when I know where? They always burn down the house that we were in. We got the pizza rolls out late night. Tina. They said that's right there. They talk about swatches. And so Tina was everywhere. That's all you guys ate that way. I want to figure out how to use the oven and the two of them couldn't figure out how to use the oven. And so it ended up just smoking out the whole kitchen. We had to step in and be like, no, you got to, you got to turn this temperature down. It was like 500 degrees. I'm just like, my 16 year old kid, it's all he eats those. It's Blake Bortles. And Blake Bortles watched Dave get hit. Shut up. Yeah. So it was at the one video day that. No, no. That's the video. That's the problem. That was crimes. Well, you just said, hey, you can't find it. I don't like it anymore. That's huge. You just said it's a federal crime. I'm talking about the fact that we had a house. I said to everyone watching at one day, what do I, that's not Dave. No, he's like, my God, it's Dave. After the side and Blake was in the backyard and Dave forgot to put the blinds down. Yeah. I didn't take that attention. I don't know if that story has ever been so strict. It's sort of strict. It was going to believe it, right? Yeah. Yeah. What a video that was with Dave. Man, it's like the federal crime. We're locking up right now. No, it's a federal crime to watch that. I didn't watch it. You just said you saw it. Somebody did told me about it. No, you've been looking for snow in it. So what was that federal crime? No, that was just the joke. Oh, okay. Anyone spreads it. It's a federal crime. You have to bring it. I remember that back. Now that was different. It is so funny that like you look back. You're like, that's just a blip on the radar. Like, oh, yeah, our boss had like multiple sex tapes. Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, whatever. I'm going to keep acting cool. Yeah, that party was incredible. Then we, the middle one sucked. Oh, my God. And then we just stopped doing it. Hey, you said you know what? We're going to sell it to corporate. I remember the Minnesota one was terrible. It was bad. We got there like it's all again. It's all turned into a playboy party. It was also like five degrees outside. The line was out of the doors. That city sucked. It was tough. Yeah. I got a question about the game because we have, we have Hank who's a resident doctor this week. Yeah. So it's Dr. Hank and he's reporting that Dr. May Shoulder's fine. That's totally fine. I saw him before the rally. I think he's good to go. Did you do your magic? I don't ask him about it. Like, he had to read between the lines of stuff. He just know I'd play with guys. Obviously, blood zone guys that had shoulder stuff. You could tell when they hurt, when they're stuff. And I'm, what I will do watching this game is I will watch it more intently. Like, so I'll watch what's the past is gone. Then I looked to where's the route, what's the coverage? Try and, try and help the people on a radio with that because we sort of got to paint the picture. Yeah. But I'll be staring at him to see how he gets up after every hit. Yeah. If it's like, if a guy moves over to the side, I'll went back and watch the whole devor stuff. They were like, everybody says it happened on the one Ramondra throw over throw where they missed a blitz pick up. There's about 10 shots in that game where it could have happened. And I don't see him get up weird. Yeah. In any of them. At any point, man, we're 17 regular games into it. You got to buy week three playoff games. You're playing 20 plus games. Like everyone's playing along. Everybody's sore. Yeah. And I think Brabill's handled it the right way to sort of just leave it out there for everyone. So give me the two best case, worst case scenario, best case, obviously the Patriots win, but how do they win? How what does that game look like? Yeah, it's him becoming the MVP. It's Drake man. It's got to be what the way we won games at the first half because I think we're two different teams now. First half of the year, Drake was scaring people. And you know, you look at our receivers, Boone, pop Douglas digs, who I love. Former Maryland guy, Fear of the Turtle. We got good tight ends. You know, Hunter Henry's a good tight end. Our backs are good, Ramandre and Henderson. But we're not superstars. The best thing about us are you come to the line of Scrimmage for your defense coordinator. Who's our one? We don't have one. You're like Drake will throw it to anybody. Right. Where Stafford's got, you know, Devonte Adams, Puca, all these guys. I'm like, that guy's got like true ones around him. And I love the whole MVP talk thing. Because it was like, well, Drake will be back. You never know if he'll be back. I play Marino 23. Danny went to a Super Bowl. Never got back. Yeah. So you're never sure that you'll ever have the ability. Brady even said that. Well, he's buddy's a Stafford. So all those guys are going to vote for him. Yeah. But all right. So then what you went to scaring is he's got to play, you know, two touchdowns, 250. Like I don't think he threw for 300 until week 14 or 15. And sure, never had a three in New York. I didn't, I actually didn't know that until he did it. And then Hank was like, crazy. That's the first time he hits on 73% of his throws, right? Except on third and six. Do you know about that? No, I don't know. Oh, you got to say that for the, if you're painting the picture, you want to put it on. Yeah. Let me give you a little nugget. You like nuggets? Yes. Okay. So Drake may look these up or do they handle? No, no, this is real. We, we, we dive deep into the numbers on the show. So obviously great quarterback MVP type season completion percentage off the charts. Except on third and six. On third and six, he is the worst in the league since he's gotten into the league. He's connecting on like 25% of the last year's two. Yeah, between over the last two years, say, let's fair, he's 25% completion percentage on third and six. If you looked at third and seventh, third and seven, he's really good again. Yeah. Third and five, he's really good. Third and six is script the night. You remember that scramble play that he had to seal the game against Denver? That was on the third and six. He wisely chose not to throw it. And he took off with his feet because he knows the completion percentage really bad. The sack fumble that he has. He's processing like my, I got to, I got to say that. Six is his one weakness. So if he can limit the mistakes on third and six, I think you have a great shot. I think third and six and a hundred such a tweaker down. Yeah, yeah. They got his head like we don't want you taking off. We don't want you taking off. It's almost like you wait, wait, look. I just think open him up on third short like third short, give his legs. Like he recognize its man and he's gone. He's got this weird remember Eric Dickerson would be upright. Drake's like so upright. We call him Bambi. I call him Bambi. He's going to get croaked and he just glides right by people. It's unbelievable. All right. So then then how does this game go south? How what does it look like if the sea ox because sea ox are really, really good. Really good. But Sam Donald, I think his Sam Donald. Oh, is that good or bad though? So for our defense that is on the rise right now, and playing their best football, you're not playing a scrambling guy. You're not playing a guy that breaks containment for defense and guys like chase on and Jennings on the edge of milk, whims and a middle bar more to understand that he's going to be five and a half yards directly behind center or seven and a half. He's never going to be outside the tackle box. He's a drop back quarterback. Yeah. It's what you want as a defense to play and ultimately the biggest game ever. And you got to attack him. I think they're going to go after him early in this game. I think that's that's how you would escape from the Patriots perspective. Drake plays great. Yeah. We were able to get the Donald early because he will give you one or two. I've seen it before with the jets. Are you scared a little bit about the sea ox defense? Because the pitch is often is not looking right in the past, but they played really good defense. Because everybody keeps saying they're Legion Legion a boom two point out of me. Man, when I did Super Bowl 49, that was my most favorite call favorite game. We were down what 10, 14 to second half. We never ran them all. It was Brady and Verine and Edelman and Gronk. And that defense I knew every guy inside and out every name. I knew Weather Spoon, you know, Jen, you know, a couple of these other guys that they have veteran guys and a bit around Lawrence. I think the other nine guys, I still going to study them. Yeah. So they're all in the game. They're dangerous. Well, the play by play guys got to know more. I mean, I'll basically do what happened. When do you start? When do you actually start like where you're going to crunch it Wednesday? Well, also on Gabe Day, we get the stadium six hours prior to kick. So then you can just learn every name. I'll be able to tell you everything inside out. Yeah. I photographic memory. This is a photographic and pornographic memory. Really? I know, Skinner. So that that Patriot Super, the Patriot C. Hock Super Bowl that you're talking about. What was your call on the very last play of the game? How'd you react? Because I don't think I've seen that. Oh, it was a Malcolm Butler one. You can replay it too. I was cackling like a thing. And I go, it's got to be the worst call in Super Bowl history. You got a running back who wears number 24. And you drop back pass. You deserve to lose the Super Bowl. That's how it went off. So obviously that call goes everywhere. It's almost like the unicorn show ponies where the beef. Where's the beef call? So we're getting back on Tuesday to do the parade. And we're all inside and we're at the TV studio. And the team's over there. And Bella Chick comes in and we have to take our last roundup thing. And he goes, hey, come here. I want to show you something. Because I heard your call. It's the worst call in Super Bowl history to drop back pass here. And he pulls up a third down play from earlier in the game where Patriots couldn't stop it. So they went regular bass personnel and Beast Mode on a like third one. He went off left side and I think he gained seven yards on third and short. So there was one time other in the game where they went goal line on a third and one. And they pinned them back. It was a tackle for loss. I think it was high tide. I actually got the tackle for loss. And there was a two yard loss on third and one. So he said, I remember that. So we went, that's what the Malcolm Go play. So they went only two DBs and it was goal line. And he was looking across and they went regular personnel. And this is when early Adams knew that they drew up when they went stacked at that one side with short motion to run it at pick rub play outside. Malcolm didn't play it while in practice. But he knew Browner. You could see Browner telling him, here's the thing. When they were out there prior to the snap, champion foot and go on this. And that's what he did. He just drove on it. I don't even think he read it. Yeah. I think he jumped it before the route even started. The bill just said, just so before you know it, like we, our defense made them throw it there. It was probably a check with me where you get up there and you look and oh crap, they're gonna shut this down. Let's throw it because it was man to man outside. Right. Right. So let's be careful. But that's bill being bill. Like that's the little things that you don't appreciate being around one of greatest minds ever. Do you think you should be in the hall of fame? Oh Jesus Christ. It's an embarrassment. So how would you like to go to Hall of Fame this year and have that asterisk? I know. That's what you're saying. But your bill bow check is not automatic. It kind of sucks for the people that dig it in because it's a celebration of their careers. They've all been amazing athletes, amazing football minds, and they're deserving of getting in the hall of fame. But this whole ceremony is just gonna be like, where's Bill? You just said it, this is based on your career and your accolades on what you've done. This isn't a personality contest. Bill's a tough guy to be around. Hey, it was great with me, but like, I've seen him be a cramudge into people and I understand whether we've run people the wrong way. So say you've been taking two of the Super Bowl's wave, oh it's the Flake Gate and Spine Gate, it's all joke. I loved it like the Spine Gate stuff happened. We all thought that was a joke at the time because nothing was applied to the games. You couldn't do that within a play in 11 seconds to say, ooh we picked your signal up. You actually know what the play call is and we're gonna get ahead of them defensively. It doesn't make any sense. So like the next year they throttled teams. That was the undefeated, yeah, we're Randy. And then Spine Gate or the Flake Gate, Tom had the regular ball and that's, you got the best of Tom Brady after the Flake Gate. Yeah, with the non-deflated football. Take two Super Balls away from Bill. He's still in there with four as a head coach and two with the Giants. He's got eight total. And he's still at that still a resume to get in for his ball. As I kept Brady, Manning, shoot. I'm a marido, you just stand up. You don't even have to make a case. Say the name automatically in. Yeah, first ball. It is pretty crazy. Now, being around Mike Vrayble is, can you see some of the things that Bella check was good at that he's also good at? Some of it, Mike Vrayble reminds me of Parcells. He's more of a... Oh, okay, tell us. More of a motivator of knowing how to work with 53 different backgrounds of life when you come together at one time. Know how to push every guy's butt. Some guys you need to have their balls broken and you can get after the ass. And some guys you gotta lay off because they're brought up in an easier environment. They kind of, kind of turtle. His energy is insane. I remember coming in in mornings with Parcells and he'd be out there having to when I was old star for coffee cups his bike shorts pulled up this nipples because that's where they always used to wear the old coaches with the spot belt shoes. Hey, honey, I was last night. And this is in the mid 90s. And he's like, wow, what do you mean? Well, how was Daisy Beacan? As I knew you were there with so and so and so and so. And I said, how the hell do you notice? There was no internet. There was no cell phones when I played the 90s. So we got to get away with literally anything. We dropped off a stage at the Everett Clear Contest with some Girl Broker neck. But that was what Pete Carroll, if we did that with Parcells, our asses were a big glass. Like we would have been, but blood's owed a bit safe, but he probably would have got after our asses. He knows all the way to push his the buttons. Yeah. So he was tracking you. Yeah, tracking us. But like, Vables like that, he is aware of everything because he's actually like to trade deadline. I didn't say like anything about the team about doing a move. But he's like, I get tagged because you're on a certain stage. Oh, yeah, you got caught by the AI, right? Oh, that was another thing with Drake. Yeah, what was that? Oh, so you want to do the AI story? Yeah, let's do. We'll do AI. Because he came out, Vable came out after you twice. Well, let's do the Vable thing first. Okay, all right. Yeah, because you never like, he's like, yeah, sometimes reporters, you know that because like sometimes they don't get things, right? You're you're you're testing with that. No, we get everything. Oh, great. And then we were doing radio the next week after the trade deadline, he goes, hey, before we do this, what you do going there and he shit all over this when we say this and that. But I'm like, my kind of say anything. Like my defense was, I wouldn't give up a one, a two, or three, or anything. Because this roster is so depleted, how like you need those picks. And everybody who's like, give up two wants to go get like, who's the receiver from my Philly? What's out? AJ Brown. Yeah, sorry, just mental black. But Mike's like, they're not gonna trade for AJ right now. But I'm like, yeah, so why would everybody? Why would you guys give up two first from picks? So I sort of get lumped in with the station because we're other guys are critical in the station. But like the fact even knows that stuff, he's out here tennis up. So he's kind of in control of everything. So to the AI story, you got to do by, I played against Mark May, his dad, his dad was a Carolina, I was a Maryland. His dad was a quarterback in Carolina. I was a quarterback obviously in Maryland. So we were off by like two years. But so I was talking to his dad a lot after his rookie year and when they would come up and I'd see him at games. So he kind of knew it. He knew the background and Michael, his wife, current wife, current wife. His first wife? His first wife? Stupid, yeah. His wife got the bacon stuff awesome. Bacon stuff, David, great cookies. So the whole story was they'd been together forever since middle school, since elementary and it's one of your ultimate love stories. So I'm sitting there and I'm on, so oh, so I get kicked off Twitter. I've been banned from Twitter. For this Super Bowl because it's in a freaking director set out in a six flags park a lot. I said, I can't believe this shit all got another Super Bowl. Because this is like so spread out. Look where we're at. We're downtown tapiness instead of being up and saying a clear when it gave the gates an hour away. You got to go here, you got to go there, traffic's a nightmare. And I'm like, I can't believe this city's getting another Super Bowl. And I put it on Twitter, but I said the word Super Bowl. And I said at 49ers, another shit. And someone 49ers learned it legally, got to touch Twitter. Suspended me. It's its e-log must bought it. I can't get my Twitter handle back. So I've been on Twitter for a year because of where to hell this Super Bowl. OK. I like how you tag the 49ers in that tweet. Like fix this. Well, hey, you know where I'm from? Obviously people know who I am. And like, we don't want to come back here. Go around the stadium. Look at all they have banners up all around it because it's all like gurters underneath. Looks like Penn State. Yeah. It's not a great stadium. But it really isn't. It's not one of your previous days. It's back to the AI. So my ability to not digest any news from Twitter, not having that, I go to Facebook. OK, Facebook. OK. So I love Facebook. What do you like that? Well, you know, Facebook. So I'm reading this story. Drake made his wife at their wedding decided to donate back to the homeless shelter back home in North Carolina, the kids' schools and this and that. And I guess they messed her name up the wrong way. And there were things that just didn't line up. But I read it. I just thought, who would try to do somebody on this? Like, that's a great story. Right. That's a great human story. We live in a day in HL. We're every sucks. No, we're out to get this person at person. I follow. I follow one of those accounts on Facebook. It's like, like Patriots fans in Indonesia. And they had a story on there that they were going to name their son, Foxboro, their first son. You should double check out Foxboro. You should look into that. Yeah. Look at that. You get jubed by AI. So I get jubed by AI. So I believe it. I didn't contact our show or our producers. He sat over there or beetle. And we're on air. And I'm like, oh, by the way, you guys see that cool story? Trakes donated all this stuff. And somehow it took off at TMZ. He got it. This one got it. You guys had it, I think. And it was weird as someone's getting calls on it from like national people. Normally, when I, I didn't go in at the break, break news on it. Yeah, he was reporting it. I said it casually on our show. And I guess Mr. Kraft gave him a really, really good gift for the wedding. I guess he heard about like, tell me this isn't true. And I guess Drake had called in or something. Did you donate everything? It's not the case. I saw Drake in a preseason. I'm like, he said, yes, no, I get it. People get fooled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not been nothing but it. Yeah, you're sucks. Yeah, I agree. I agree. How much trouble you get in right now with AI? A lot. It's probably good that you don't have your Twitter account. You're just actually in this. Yeah. Does that get in trouble for Kelsey Tweet one time when Texas were kicking her ass in a playoff game. And I just start hammering Kelsey and I was drunk in some bar. And you just start saying things you didn't want to say. Yeah. But I had no problem putting in print ever. Yeah, it happens. It happens. Wait, you were talking about Drew Bletso a second ago. I want you to tell the Drew Bletso story where you like thought that you were the man at that time. Oh, yeah. So he never got hurt. I backed him up for eight years. Fucking guy never get hurt. Now the sudden he collapses long for Brady. When Brady's there for what one year? Fucking lock. Board on third base. Yeah. So Bletso would have all these hits. He'd split, you know, he'd split his skin here. We'd see bone and we'd have fun on the sidelines. I remember Ted Johnson ripping his bicep and it would crawl up. And I got to like pull it up and down. Oh, it's great. I think that's the stuff you appreciate. Warwoods. So Drew broke his finger, hit it off the helmet. And it was the tip of his finger in his thrown hand. It's just shattered. So they put pins in it. And I hear, yes, I hear this news. I'm like, oh man, that sucks. I'm like, yes, fuck out. Well, like three games left to go and out. And so they put me in and out. I start playing it and I play like one game. And then next thing I know, no, no, no, no. I didn't play immediately after that. So the Friday after he broke it, we're at practice. And I see the doctors talking to him. They're like, well, let me ask you this. If we numb the figure up and we put a split on the back of it, do you want to think you want to try and see if you can throw the ball? I'm like, fuck no, he doesn't want to do that. But I remember you're talking about toughness. He's one of toughest guys. I better, everybody says Grogan Grogan was obviously a tough guy. But drew it to be held down like this with three of the doctors because they had to shoot up each individual joint in the figure. So they had, I had a third degree of high ankle spray. The way they shoot it up is they get the needle into the joint, but they move the needle until it hits the nerve. And that's when they release the medicine. So they had to wait for them to like, clench like that. I hear them screaming in there. They shoot it up. It's numb. And there's a there's a metal piece of wire sticking out of the tip of his figure. So he starts throwing it. I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's got more rotation on his football than normal. And he said, yeah, because it's the the wire digging into the football. That's the last thing. Took that's the last thing to leave the football when he throws it. And I'm like, Jesus Christ is like a freaking board steroids steroids. You know, like this guy can't stop him. So about two games it holds up. But then one of the games, the thing ends up falling apart. I had to start the last couple of games here. So you mentioned Damirino. You backed him up for a year. What was it? What was it? I feel like Damirino isn't getting enough credit because, you know, obviously, I'm in a Super Bowl. But like sometimes I'll just be scrolling Twitter. Sorry, not to rub it in. But I still have my account. And there'll be like a Damirino highlight. And I'll be like, holy. Oh my God. I said it to these guys. It's rules all the time. When he does like a nine step drop. Yeah. It was like, I remember the one here, the bloodshed him was our opening day down in Miami. It was a month soon. One guy through five times. They have through five touchdowns. Four to Irving Friar. We threw three of them in coats. And it was just up and down like 500 yards off. That's what I'm believe. Danny through them all better than anybody I've ever seen. That release. And it's just, it was crazy. But we went to parties in his house. We had Damirino here in Rundin Gatson, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor and that. We go in and Danny would have this massive table outside. He probably stole crabs over him. Joseph would send him up all the time from down in Miami. But he had this guest house in the back. This weirdo would look out the top of it. And he goes, yeah, it's Jim Jensen up there. Kit Kit, come on. He's been living there for like two years. This is like David, you guys, right? Like, why Mike? I can't get out or hang. Hank is hanging out in his house. I remember those days when he first got in there and talking. All the videos are Hank there. So we're gas. Gas is like legendary. Yeah. But like, Marino had this house out of the boat in the middle of Weston out out out in Western Lauderdale. And he had a guest house out there, but you had to go over this bridge to get there. It was pretty freaking cool. That is to be hanging out with Damirino. I know. He had this big wine cellar, but his favorite wine, we all grew up in Pittsburgh. We all had an uncle. And he had an uncle, Uncle Chuckie, who made wine in his bathtub. And he would cross it with feet and grapes and that. And it just got you fucked up. We dragged to wine. And he's like, try this. He's got only $30,000 bottles. And like, yeah, we were getting hired to chuck, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle. That's awesome. I wanted to ask questions about Pittsburgh, because we were laughing about it last week. Mike McCarthy gets hired. Yeah. Everyone freaks out. He's crying. Then he does, then he does the interview or the press now. Nobody realizes he's from Pittsburgh. Yeah. And everyone's like, oh, fuck, we love this guy. He's great. He's a great little Howard. Yeah. A little Howard. So everyone's in on him. I grew up in Longa Hell right down the river. So you go, there's three rivers. The Alagati and the Longa Hell for the Ohio. Right at the point. I grew up down. My grandfather's worked in the Stilville. Still in the Lyme, they were getting government cheese when I was a kid. I remember that. But your only way out was to play ball, man. So my dad coach Montana in high school, from Montana's high school, I was seven years old at the time, kicked a team and Joe kicked off. I still have his old, his, his, kid strap from his final high school game. Did you have a football he gave you? Yeah. So good for what I was in Maryland. He gave me a football sitzie in the NFL one day, Joe Montana. So I used to take this ball before I first start, I run it 16 times. I did it from all my starts at Maryland. And then FedEx, like, hey, we got to do something here. We got to get this football. So FedEx did this big thing. What got the ball before my first NFL start. We were all dying. Run the 16 times. I was an ASC player in a week that was fucking great. Wow. Shoot the guards. I know what I was doing. It is crazy the talent that's come out of that area. So just from our school, stand usual for baseball people. He was from our hometown. My dad was from that school, but he was best friends with K-Griffy Cedar. OK. This is all in a town of 13,000 people. Yeah. And it was like that every town around that dick, a door set, Revis, Namath. What is it about that area that makes you good at sports? I heard city bear, man. No, it's, you live it. It's life. Sports is life. You're born. And every, like, all my friends, y'all have footballs in your crib, so you're born. Like, that was the thing to do. Stealer. I had season tickets to Stealer Games with my dad. Like, I remember four Super Balls in with Terry Bradshaw. We would go to three River State games. Back in football, it's football. And Pittsburgh football's life. Yeah. That's what it is. It is. No, I think I was like, that pegwoods, they got a tolerator right now. But there's no hoop team. Baseball team was great. In 78 with Willie Starrange on a day parker and a marina. Like, there were so many good guys back there, but like they're we joke about how the pegwinds in the pirates, they have the same colors of the Steelers, just so that people can always like about the Steelers. Yeah, they're like, oh, it's just the hockey. It's the Steelers on ice. Correct. Yeah, I think the word brood's to it too. Cause like, hey, maybe the thing were the Steelers. Yeah, I mean, the black and the black and yellow. Black and yellow black and yellow. Pretty sick. All right. So I got one last question for you. So this has been the best. You're, you're, I mean, you're so this is. I'm nuts. Hank might have a question for you too, but you're going to get them in the party, right? That's not the question. Yeah, we'll get him in. Okay. Sure. We had a dance off of me. Have a day that a ham off. Yeah. You got to do it. All right. So rowback question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Q Zips polo's hoodies jogger shorts rowback dot com. I wore stuff on L time pro. There it's incredible. The most comfortable stuff out there. Get fit. Yeah, I'll get you. We'll get you some. Let's go for being on the show. Love it. I like no bull shoes too. Yeah, do you have a, and you love body armor? Oh, God yeah. Yeah. You love Pepsi zero sugar. I drink nothing but diet. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, you love them all. You're heavy. You have to drink diet. All the sponsors give us a score prediction. OK, it's first time I've asked for score prediction. Oh, I'm taking a pass. Is it because the reason I'm taking to Wagle is I've done these games for 14 years now. And no other season was there a game where they let go of the rope and they got blown out like Brady would lose 45 to 3 1 game to where they're asking head coach after the Kansas City game week four, which is reevaluated to quarterback position. Ball check. That was the odds of since an anti game after that. Like those teams were lose bad at least one or two games a year. These teams like we lost to the Steelers should have won but turned it over five times. Yeah, should have beat the Raiders a week one. You know, should have beat Buffalo. We're up 21. Should have swept them. Um, they're that good. They're that sound. And I think they're going to get after Sam Dardle. I'm going to win 27 20. OK, 27 23. All right, you got a first touchdown score or Bondrace Stevens. OK, how do you work his way on the ground? He was in the doghouse really easier. Mike had his back after the Miami game because the next week after that he fumbled or no, was it was an opening week? He fumbled was the fumbles and they said, well, you're going to bet. So he goes, no, we're going to need it. Why would I bet you're one of our best backs, one of our best guys on our team. Yeah. So Mike have a nose guys backs when they screwed up at post game and the next week were the press really couldn't ride them. Um, that came from monitoring confidence and when Anderson got nicked up at the end of the year here and he's fantastic as a rookie. Yeah. Remodeling, I think it's our second half MVP. Runs it catches it. It's unbelievable. Hmm. So I think he's going to run it in from about to six. Why don't they give trivia on the ball more? Don't really need to. Yeah, but he's got that like I'll say. I'll say you know, get outside. They get to get outside. Yeah, he's not to say between tackles. Remodeling between tackles is better. All right, let's get let's get Hank here. Hank's got a question. We got Hank. They are. I really didn't have a question. It's confident. Hank, you've got a question. Favorite, favorite Super Bowl after party in the last, out of the last three. I do remember that little Wayne. I just remember when you said that we were in the crowd. Out of Atlanta with Lil Wayne blasts and music and you were going crazy. Well, we were nuts. Yeah, but I think I think the 49 one, a beat Seattle. Here we go. Rehash the Seattle one. That was my favorite one to call. That was probably the best post grade party because they were out of long horse pass. And they had this big ranch on the middle of nowhere out past the Arizona State. There were four huge ballrooms. I think it was Pitbull, Rick Ross. Yep. Was it Janet Jackson? No. And who's got to take the shirt off? Oh, so full rider. Oh, okay. Flow rider, but the Crockowski brothers were all with flow rider that that was like you went baller the baller everybody was we went nuts. That was awesome. Great question, Hank. Thank you. Yeah. If 40 28 to 3 coming back, that's where you and I lived it. Yeah. Yeah, you guys did it up then. Yeah, we did it up. Yeah. Oh, guys, I appreciate it. Great having you so you. Great to see you. I can't believe you've taken off so well. You guys are doing great. I love you guys. Yeah, it's good. Just like I'm a sucker for getting sponsored too. So yeah, when you can do everything by sponsorship and it's like you got your robot. You know, you're damn good. I'm getting that. I'm going to get some twisted teeth. Yeah, you're walking out of here with a lot of stuff. Thank you. I appreciate it. And we got a Chevy waiting for you downstairs. That's what I drive. Yeah, there we go. So GMC Chevy, let's go. All right. Thanks so much. Love you guys. Thanks, man. OK, let's wrap up the show. We've got guys on Hank, by the way, thank you to all the AWLs for purchasing pre-ordering the book on Amazon. You can still do that. Part of my book, we got, we were number one in the Movers and Shakers. I had it. We were the number two overall ordered book on Amazon all day yesterday. That's awesome. That's incredible. So please buy it. It helps us. We're going to hopefully become New York Times best sellers. And then we'll get a tattoo. Yep. But yeah, thank you so much. It's going to be an awesome book. And also Greg Olson's on the back cover, because he was like, where, how am I not on this? And I was like, you are. I think he's the only person that's publicly complained. Well, he would have a fair complaint if he was not on the book. I agree. 100%. And I was very nervous that we would left someone out, but we didn't. He's on it. So we love him. It is very cool though to know that the AWLs want to read our stupid words in addition to listen to them. So thank you guys. It really does mean a lot. We added a page last night at dinner. Rico Bosco is going to include his very best blob set. So if you're an aspiring coach, this will also teach you basketball. Hank. Guys on Hank. I feel like I shouldn't be reading these. Do you want me to read them? I'll read them. I can read them. Send the memes. I think he should read them. Sorry, everything you sent me. I like I think he sent them to the PFT. I'll read them. Everything. Oh, he sent you the big black cock. Nice. I feel like most of these are going to be pro-hank ones. Agreed. Like, because if you're a Patriot's fan, you're probably sick of me. So it's probably going to be very mean for me. Let's see. OK. Guys on Hank. And also a giant cock that memes just send. Just had a baby recently. I know choices like parenting aren't as important as golf. But what can I do to make sure my kid turns out to be a winner like Hank? Golf more. No, I didn't start golfing until I was already a one-stab-ish winner. I wouldn't say you're a winner at golf. Not at night and close. Right. So you should golf more at a young age. If you want to be a winner at golf. No, I think you want to play a lot of sports. I think in today's day and age with the modern day parenting and coaching, people are too focused on one sport. You got to let your kid play everything. The ratio of your time spent golfing and how good you are is way off. I would disagree with that. I would not disagree with that. Lifetime. You played 67 rounds last year. And you still aren't that good. You played 67. To find that good. To find that good. He said that. He's going for 80 this year. That's a lot of rounds. That's a lot of rounds. I think you think it's important to let your kids play every single sport but also right and left handed? Good question. Oh. Thank you. What do you, what do you, Max is getting into his calculator? Hold on. He's going to take off his shoes if you have to count to 20. Here we go. What is he, what is he doing? That's every five days. But it's actually like because of the winter. Winter. It's probably, it's probably every third day he got. Guys can't have hobbies anymore. It's crazy. It's almost like we had two days off a week. Almost. And I golf. Every third day though. Oh, I didn't. How many of you fucked it up? Oh, he fucked it up. How many rounds of play times did you do with your kid last year? That's probably a lot more. It probably is. I'm going for way more than 80. Hank, will you do a soggy sorrows if the Patriots lose? Oh, good question. I think he has to. Will PFT join you in soggy sorrows since he'd lose $40,000? I'm down. I'll do it. Same. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Everybody. Who is the last one? Probably me. Was it never done one? I did double-dark. I did. The last one I remember doing was in the office. Last most recent New York office and I did the honk. That's where honk was born. Okay. So yeah, you probably did do the last one. All right. So soggy sorrows is officially on the table. Hank seems like a dude who has never won. Wait. Either way, PFT. This question says will PFT join you in a soggy sorrow since he'd lose 40,000, but you would lose either way. So you should probably do it either way. I think that's fair. Like I can't be playing both sides of this. You know what? I'll do it either way. I'll do it either way. That's fair. That's fair. I put myself in this situation. Yes, unless it's a tie. Yeah. If it's a tie, yeah. Wow. Tie in the soup. Tie in the soup. Never been done would be incredible. Yeah. Hank seems like a dude who has never watched a single sporting event until the 2002 Super Bowl. Yeah, it was eight years old. Yeah. Fair. So fair. It's got nailed this one. Fair. A tour. Yeah. Hey, heartless Hank. That's mean. Oh, would you rather Drake may shit the bed this week and lose the Sam Donald, but the Celts three Pete or Drake may kicks off the new Pat's dynasty with the Super Bowl win, but coach Mizzoula gets sent to the shadow realm and the Celtics become a poverty franchise. Oh, who was that no one sending Mizzoula to the shadow realm? That's an impossible question. It's a tough hypothetical for you. OK, so the Celts just they they never win another playoff series. That's a tough question. That was a lot of dead air. Can I guide on? I mean, the answer I think the answer again, this is whatever. This is got your journalism. I knew this was coming with this. Like I was a fair. I was a fair. So it's a huge the Celtics not to go to the shadow realm. OK, Patriots will be back. But yeah, it's a tough question, but I would I would. I'd write them in Celts three, Pitting would be awesome. And the Patriots will be back to me. It's 23. Good point. This one's just mean. I don't know why memes included this one. Is it just me or does everyone else hate Hank the 51 weeks of the year too? That's mean that's mean memes for you, including that 51 weeks besides Super Bowl week. Oh. I love Hank. I love Hank too. I love Hank. I love I love me as well. OK. What you don't love us? Well, that was in the question. But we were saying we love you. I love me too. Do you love any of us? I don't hate me 51 weeks of the year. It's probably like 10. Hank is a good guy. Lifelong. What are your thoughts? Do you love Hank? He's OK sometimes. OK. That's actually as close to love. Yeah, that was very nice. You can't get you can't get closer to life. Life long see Hawks fan here. I was wondering how much of the after Super Bowl party Hank has already planned out. Like how many different plans he will cancel after Drake may get rocked for nine sacks and three turnovers go Hawks. I haven't really made any plans for for after Super Bowl. I've just thought about mentally though. Yeah. Mentally only plans on made is getting to a hotel room to record the podcast. That's a company man right there. Fuck yes. And then this last one was more of a visual question. Yeah. We saw that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, memes. That was it. That was not bad. It was easy. That was it. That was good. That was not bad. No. A lot of them were named the four aces and where he did that. I already forget what was that. That's old something. Raoul and those I forgot to one of the other three Thomas D tree Thomas Peters. Dawson Johnson. Yeah. All right. Good show boys. Let's do numbers. What do you guys got? 60. Seven. 14. 45. I'm going to go with 23. 14. The back. Colton 11. Jonah 37. Eight. Shame. Let's go. Shame. Let's go chargers. Let's go. Chargers. What's up, Shane? Shane, you want to give a victory speech? May I say how the week's gone? Great week. John, we had tiramisu last night. We did have tiramisu. And you are, I didn't know this about you, but you're just a tiramisu guy. Yeah, I love tiramisu. That's just your number one. It's definitely, it's like, it's hard. I have like a top three of like tiramisu ice cream and cheesecake. Oh, if I'd probably choose tiramisu over. This might be me watching too much Mr. Beast before I go to bed, but we should do a challenge where it's like three of the greatest slices of tiramisu. And one of them has an onion in it. I mean, I mean, yeah. Okay. All right. Great. You're in. You're in for the challenge. Shane wants to do a tiramisu crawl where he has five tiramisu back to back to back. That rocks. Yeah. I'm all that tiramisu though. That's a lot of tiramisu. Have you guys ever had orange tiramisu? No. It's pretty good. Hey, that was orange tiramisu. Shane free. No, Shane freaked out when I brought up orange tiramisu to him the other day. Did you freak out? Well, I'm just. What is the, what's the word? I'm just like a originalist. Yeah, your originalist. That is the word. What did you think of the tiramisu last night, Shane? It was, it was okay, tiramisu. They didn't use, they didn't use lady fingers. They use like a sponge cake and it soaked up too much coffees to, to coffee. Okay. Okay. How not enough balance. Got it. Love it. Thank you, Shane. Thanks for grouting in the number. Okay. Great show, boys. That's right. So Hank, would you say we'll preview? Prop, all of our props were that was closer to the big game. Love you guys. Love you guys too. Do you think that was a good show, Hank? Great show. I always think it's a great show when you're on it. Same. Love you guys and also happy birthday to, um, to some people out there. Even Jay. Well, no, that's groundhog day. No, his birthday today. Happy birthday. Did you not, did you think his birthday was yesterday? Yeah. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to Oscar Delahoya, Lawrence Taylor and Natalie and great guys. And Cameron. Okay. Yeah, Cameron. Love that dip set. Love you guys. Yeah. 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