Mad Money w/ Jim Cramer

Mad Money w/ Jim Cramer 4/23/26

44 min
Apr 23, 20264 days ago
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Summary

Jim Cramer analyzes market volatility driven by AI displacement fears in enterprise software, highlighting ServiceNow's 17% decline despite solid earnings. He pivots to undervalued healthcare stocks as portfolio hedges and interviews executives from Dow, Thermo Fisher, and PG&E about growth opportunities amid geopolitical supply chain shifts and data center demand.

Insights
  • Enterprise software valuations are collapsing due to AI displacement fears, even for companies with strong fundamentals and beat quarters—pricing power erosion is the real concern
  • Healthcare stocks trading at 11-20x earnings offer genuine value and AI-displacement protection compared to software, making them strategic portfolio balancers
  • Middle East supply chain disruptions (Strait of Hormuz closure) are creating multi-quarter tailwinds for chemical producers, with logistics clearing potentially taking 275+ days
  • Data center power demand is creating a genuine growth story for utilities like PG&E, with 4.5 gigawatts in final engineering and ability to reduce rates while growing load
  • Parabolic stock moves (50%+ monthly gains) are unsustainable and require disciplined profit-taking; holding through crashes is a wealth destruction pattern
Trends
AI as existential threat to enterprise software pricing power and valuation multiplesRotation from growth tech into undervalued healthcare and utility sectorsGeopolitical supply chain disruptions creating multi-quarter commodity and chemical price tailwindsData center power demand driving utility growth and rate reduction paradoxBiotech funding recovery and clinical research acceleration post-2025 funding droughtParabolic retail-driven stock moves creating crash risk in meme-adjacent securitiesNuclear energy extension (Diablo Canyon) as climate solution gaining legislative supportSuccession planning in industrial/chemical sector with internal promotion focusRegulatory uncertainty (FDA, wildfire liability reform) as single-issue stock driversAI-enabled autonomous labs and drug discovery acceleration via NVIDIA collaboration
Topics
Enterprise Software Valuation CollapseAI Displacement Risk in SaaSHealthcare Stocks as Value PlaysGeopolitical Supply Chain DisruptionChemical Industry Margin ExpansionData Center Power Demand GrowthUtility Rate Reduction ParadoxBiotech Funding RecoveryParabolic Stock Risk ManagementNuclear Energy ExtensionWildfire Liability ReformAI-Enabled Drug DiscoveryShort Squeeze DynamicsPortfolio Hedging StrategiesEarnings Beat vs. Stock Reaction Disconnect
Companies
ServiceNow
Enterprise software company down 17% today and 44% YTD despite beating earnings; faces AI displacement pricing pressure
Dow
Chemical producer benefiting from Strait of Hormuz closure; up 65% YTD with CEO Jim Fiddley discussing multi-quarter ...
Thermo Fisher Scientific
Life sciences equipment provider reporting solid beat but stock down 9.2%; CEO Mark Kasper discusses biotech funding ...
PG&E
California utility reducing residential rates 23% while investing in grid hardening and data center power; CEO Patty ...
CVS Health
Pharmacy/health insurance company trading at 11x earnings; owns Aetna and 8,932 drugstores with improving competitive...
Cardinal Health
Drug wholesaler down from $233 to $204 without reason; trading under 20x earnings with expanding specialty services m...
Johnson & Johnson
Pharmaceutical company with AAA balance sheet and best pipeline of blockbusters; trading under 20x earnings
UnitedHealth Group
Managed care company with returning CEO Steve Hemsley; reported strong beat/raise but trades at only 19x earnings
Microsoft
Offered buyouts today; stock hit but has AAA balance sheet; mentioned as one of only two AAA-rated companies with J&J
Meta
Announced 10% workforce reduction midday; stock hurt despite CEO Mark Zuckerberg's efficiency focus
Tesla
Reported earnings; Cramer bullish on robot and full self-driving future despite market selling
Intel
Reported magnificent surprise quarter under new CEO; Cramer bullish but stock cannot overcome software sector stench
Home Depot
Template stock for rate cut environment; caller Nick owns it; Cramer confirms it as historical rate-cut play since 2007
Walgreens
Taken private; pulling back from stores and may not be factor in few years
Rite Aid
Mentioned as one of three big drugstore chains; competitive landscape changing with CVS consolidation
NVIDIA
Collaborating with Thermo Fisher on AI-enabled instruments and autonomous labs for drug discovery
Anthropic
AI company mentioned as potential disruptor to software stocks; creating displacement fears
OpenAI
AI company mentioned as potential disruptor to software stocks; creating displacement fears
Rivian
EV company; caller asks if Cramer warming to it; last quarter was good and company appears viable
Avis
Rental car company soared from $100 to $700 in less than a month due to short squeeze; now down to $229
People
Jim Cramer
Mad Money host analyzing market volatility, software sector collapse, and healthcare value opportunities
Jim Fiddley
Discusses chemical margin expansion from Strait of Hormuz closure and transition to Karen Carter as new CEO on July 1
Mark Kasper
Explains solid quarter results, biotech funding recovery, and AI collaboration with NVIDIA for autonomous labs
Patty Poppe
Details 23% residential rate reduction, 4.5GW data center capacity in final engineering, and wildfire liability refor...
Karen Carter
30-year Dow veteran taking over as CEO on July 1; succession planning complete with team in place
Steve Hemsley
Returning CEO producing best earnings and upside surprises; previously turned UNH into juggernaut before 2017 retirement
David Joyner
Gave terrific quarter; competition improving as Walgreens goes private and Rite Aid fades
Bill McDermott
Appeared on show previous night; reported quarter passing rule of 50 but stock down 17% today due to AI displacement ...
Mark Zuckerberg
Announced 10% workforce reduction; Cramer defends as efficiency move despite market negative reaction
Elon Musk
Cramer bullish on robot and full self-driving future despite market selling Tesla stock
Jensen Huang
Mentioned discussing work with Eli Lilly; collaborating with Thermo Fisher on AI-enabled instruments
Gavin Newsom
Extended Diablo Canyon nuclear plant life through 2030; legislature may extend further to 2045
Julia Boorstin
Hosts CNBC Changemakers and Power Players; featured in promotional segment
David Faber
Pointed out Avis short squeeze dynamics; stock soared from $100 to $700 then crashed to $229
Quotes
"My mission is simple, to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field for all investors."
Jim CramerOpening
"ServiceNow is doing exactly what it's done for years, but it's no longer going to be given that same price during these multiple because artificial intelligence is cheaper."
Jim CramerMid-episode
"When the state of Hormuz shut down, 20 percent of global oil capacity was shut in. But about 50 percent of global ethylene and polyethylene production was impacted."
Jim FiddleyDow interview
"If you own a stock that's up more than 50% this month, do some selling tomorrow. Maybe take out your cost basis. Maybe cut the position size in half."
Jim CramerParabolic stocks segment
"Bears make money. Bulls make money. But hogs, they get slaughtered."
Jim CramerClosing segment
Full Transcript
What made you confident that you could do something that hadn't been done before? I have no fear of failure. Trailblazing women changing the game. One of my favorite pieces of advice, think about what your boss's boss needs. Leadership can look in many, many different forms. It really does come down to just trusting yourself. Life is short and you just got to think big to accomplish big things. Julia Borsten hosts CNBC Changemakers and Power Players. New episodes every Tuesday, wherever you get your podcasts. My mission is simple, to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field for all investors. There's always a bone market somewhere, and I promise to help you find it. Mad Money starts now. Hey, I'm Kramer. Welcome to Mad Money. Welcome to Kramer. I'm going to be my friends just trying to save a little money over here. My job, entertain, explain. Call me 1-800-743-CBC. Tweet me at Jim Kramer. Some like it cold. All right, that's a little twist on a famous movie, Some Like It Hot. But it's also a formula for investing that's going way out of style. I think it could return soon, maybe sooner than you might expect. See, the averages got hit today, Dow dipping 180 points, S&P sliding point for 1%, NASDAQ losing 0.89%. But we know that certain parts of this market are as hot as a just-fired pistol. Tonight, though, I want to praise the other parts of the market, the parts that have been marked down already, which makes them less vulnerable to surprises. And I'm talking about health care, a group that used to represent safety, always has some growth, but is now considered poison. These are now unbelievably health care as a value stock right now. And I like value, especially when it's attached to a growth industry like health care. We need growth because it seems like, well, it's slowing in some very unlikely places, at least historically. See, it's causing me to rethink some kinds of growth and gravitate towards others. Why? All right, let me explain. If you watch the show, you know what I'm talking about. Last night, we had Bill McDermott, CEO of ServiceNow on the show. Ported a perfectly good quarter. One that passed the august rule of 50. Revenue growth rate plus profit margin equals more than 50. Very good sign for a cloud software play. There were huge sign-ups. Many clients embraced their AI controller model, letting them automate their workflows and more. But here's the problem. In an era where artificial intelligence can mimic very good software businesses, it's hard for ServiceNow stock to get a decent valuation. Too many on Wall Street are terrified that this kind of company has no future. Hence, today's staggering 17 percent decline for this stock. ServiceNow, this stock, is now down a ghastly 44 percent for the year. 44 percent. Plus, even though ServiceNow's stock has already been pummeled, that doesn't even necessarily mean it's gotten cheap. As Ben Reyes tells us, lots of their employees get stock in its compensation. If you were to treat that as real cash compensation, as you and I might, then even after today's dramatic fall, 103 to 84 and change, stock sells at 37 times earnings, much more expensive than most of the S&P. Now, I've gone over everything that McDermott told us about a half dozen times. Here's my conclusion. ServiceNow is doing exactly what it's done for years, but it's no longer going to be given that same price during these multiple because artificial intelligence is cheaper. And even if it doesn't wipe them out, it can put pressure on pricing. And you don't get a premium multiple if your company's pricing is under pressure. The markets change. The buyers turned into sellers. Doesn't mean ServiceNow isn't a great company. It is. But institutional money managers who determine the prices that you see won't pay up as much for that, for that kind of greatness when it's an enterprise software vulnerable to the great disruptors we talk about all the time. The starting decline in the stock rocked the software index, taking almost every one of these down, as holders believe that their software stock could be the next victim of Anthropic or OpenAI. Probably an exaggeration. Some groups, like cybersecurity, have a lot less AI displacement risk. Private equity groups got crushed, too, as they own the debt of many cloud software companies that have gone private in the past. That debt's now under suspicion for the same reason ServiceNow got rocked. It could be unfair, but no one's going to let you get your money back from these things. These aren't vacuum cleaners, people. There's no warranty. And certainly no returns. How about this for a stock? Caveat Emter. At the same time, we got hit by big layoffs. And Ed Meta today, that came midday. But I think Mark Zuckerberg is being efficient. When the market heard Meta's firing 10% of its workforce, It read that it is meaning that the business must be faltering. That's completely untrue. That's his style. But the pin action hurt a lot of stocks. They didn't all recover. He's efficient. There's a he's efficient. It's like that. All right. Microsoft also offered buyouts. All right. That stock got hit, too. We can't presume anything anymore. But we do know the software stocks got wobbed, not just by ServiceNow, but by Microsoft. We're not used to seeing the sector get hurt like this. This sector has been charmed since 1985. And if these stocks didn't have any fluff in them, then it wouldn't be so hard. Now, some of this market's just plain negative. I mean, look, Tesla reported. All right. I liked everything they said. And I'm not, you know, it's not like I hang out with Elon Musk, but I will tell you that what he's going to do with robots is revolutionary. You want to sell that stock, you're selling robots. You're selling full self-driving cars. You're selling the future. But go ahead, sell the future. I'm not a seller of the future. I'm a buyer of the future. Now, apparently, apparently, that's no longer good enough. Maybe you have to have, like, the super future. Let's hope that Intel, with magnificent surprise, top and bottom line, tonight can turn things around. What an amazing quarter from Lip Boutin. It's been there for one year and one month. It's almost a miracle. It is a miracle. It's a miracle. It's a miracle. I'm looking at my staff as hell and it's a miracle. They're talking about a miracle, too, over there. All right. Now, it can't cover the stench of enterprise software, though. I don't think anything can cover the stench of enterprise software, even like the absolute best kind of cologne or perfume or like Chanel. Uh-uh. I think Chanel is still good, right? I mean, what else people use these days? All right. Anyway, so how did Chance, my wife likes Chance. So how do you protect your portfolio from these kinds of brutal declines? I got an idea. Why not own some stocks that have already been pulverized, already been gaffed, already been filleted, even as they represent very good companies. Why not earn some health care? Let me give you some examples. Let's start with a solid company with a stock that sells at 11 times earnings, CVS. I'm all buying it for the Chapel Trust, but we held off because we have too many positions. CVS owns Aetna, which I think is a pretty good, well, it's not maybe as good as United Health, but a pretty darn good company. Reported a tremendous quarter earlier this week, but United Health is certainly in the bullpen. I think Aetna is good. CVS owns 8,932 drugstores. Not that long ago, there were three big drugstore chains. Rite Aid, Walgreens, and CVS. Rite Aid, buy. Walgreens got taken private. It's now pulling back from a huge number of stores. They may not even be a factor at this pace a few years from now because they're private, though we don't really know what it is. But I know something. CVS CEO David Joyner gave you a terrific quarter last time. I think it's only going to get better as the competition disappears. I prefer CVS to service now. Okay, I'm out there. Next, I'm a huge believer in Cardinal Health, with a stock that's just been annihilated here without any reason. I think a vicious rotation out of health care. Cardinal is down from 233 to 204. Speed of the quarterly estimates repeatedly shifts its model from being a pure middleman to being a drug and drug wholesaler to being a manager of services to its clients offer. Given the complexity of large independent medical organizations, Cardinal is filling a gap in management for some specialty chains that really don't know how to run their own business. I think there's maybe many more to come. high growth that now trades at less than 20 times earnings. To me, cardinals is steel, although we've been buying for the travel trust, and admittedly, I started early. Some would say wrong. Okay. Or how about a stock they talked about earlier in the week that's doing nothing, J&J, Johnson & Johnson, AAA balance sheet, one of only two, the other being Microsoft. J&J is the best pipeline of potential blockbusters of any pharmaceutical company, yet it sells a little less than 20 times earnings. These are discounts. Okay, finally, we're going to get to the one that you're going to buy tomorrow, right? United Health Group. Here's a company that just reported its first solid beat and raise quarter in a very long time. Returning CEO Steve Hemsley, who turned UNH into a juggernaut before he retired in 2017, is back. And he's doing the same thing he did for years the last time he was CEO. Produced the best earnings and biggest upside surprises in the real. They're not timerical. They're not made up. They're none of that jack stuff. Yet after all that, after putting up the best managed care earnings I've seen in ages, stocks still sells for just 19 times earnings. Boy, this group is hated. The man is just getting started. The stock deserves to be much higher. Okay, here's a little clue. UNH, we'll do a little cinema verite here. You know, I like the cinema verite. UNH is at $354. This stock was at $600 last April. April of 2025. You know why I like these stocks so much? Because if they come down further, you can just keep buying them hand over fist because you know what? When they go down, they actually get cheaper. You cannot say the same thing about the vast majority of the tech stocks, particularly software. Bottom line. I think these quality health care names help to balance out your portfolio right now, giving you something that can't be savage by AI displacement that I can tell. Good balance. Something tells me you're going to need it. And the stench of software, I have to ask my executive producer, you got anything? Like a perfume? No. No. No perfume. All right. I tried. I tried to help the group. Don't have it. No perfume. All right. Let's go to Nick in Connecticut. Nick. Hey, Jim, it's Nick from Connecticut. How are you doing? I'm doing well. How about you, Nick? Beautiful spring day here in Connecticut. I'm a longtime listener and club member. And this is why I pick your brain about Home Depot. I bought it a few months ago. Home Depot is when I did the Home Depot work for the trust. Home Depot is a it's a template. OK, it's a it's an example. It's an analog. Home Depot is what you buy when you get rate cuts. It is time honored. I have studied it. I have studied since 2007. You get actually studied since it came to Elmont, Long Island in 1987. Go check me on that. This is the stock you own during when you get rate cuts. You don't buy Intel when you get rate cuts, although you should buy Intel. I can't believe I've been saying good things about Intel. I never told people just buy Intel. All right, look, you got some balance in your portfolio for days like today. You don't want to get burned endlessly by software, enterprise or SaaS. All right, we got an action pack lineup. I just want to always say that action pack is all the other anchors say that action pack, action pack. Full, it's very full show. What does that mean? This powerhouse chemical producer, Dow, is going to be on critical role in supply chains around the world. I'm learning more about the road ahead for the company's outgoing CEO. He shares the thermo fisher tank today at reporting top and bottom of my beat. What the heck's going on? I'm going to go straight to the company's top risk. And PG&E is trying to power up its growth outlook. I'm going to get an update right from the bankable CEO chock full show. I mean, like huge. I mean, I can't believe it. Dynamic, gigantic show. Stay with Kramer. Don miss a second of Mad Money Follow at Jim Kramer on X Have a question Tweet Cramer Hashtag Mad Mentions Send Jim an email to madmoneyatcnbc or give us a call at 1 Miss something? Head to madmoney.cnbc.com. What made you confident that you could do something that hadn't been done before? I have no fear of failure. Trailblazing women changing the game. One of my favorite pieces of advice, think about what your boss's boss needs. Leadership can look in many, many different forms. It really does come down to just trusting yourself. Life is short and you just got to think big to accomplish big things. Julia Borsten hosts CNBC Changemakers and Power Players. New episodes every Tuesday, wherever you get your podcasts. When Iran shut down this trade-off removes, that was terrible for the global economy. We all know that, right? But it's also great for the price of oil and the price of petrochemicals, for that matter. This has been tremendous for American chemical companies to get all the supplies they need domestically. And that's why Dow, the big chemical company, has gone from being the sixth worst performer in the S&P 500 last year to one of the top 20 this year, up nearly 65% for 2026. What have you done for me lately? How about go up? Now, this morning, Dow reported a solid quarter, healthy revenue beat paired with a smaller than expected loss. Even though this company doesn't give formal guidance, management's conference call commentary I thought was very upbeat. Unfortunately, maybe for today it wasn't enough. The stock slipped 0.7 percent because I think when you're up nearly 65 percent for the year, that means expectations went skyward. So let's check in with Jim Fiddley. He's the chairman and outgoing CEO of Dow. We'll talk about that in a second to get a better sense of the quarter. Mr. Fiddley, welcome back to Bad Money. Hey, Jim, great to see you. So, Jim, I think we had a great quarter. But tell people why and tell people first about what the Middle East does to your chemicals and then about how that impacted your quarter. Yeah, well, when the state of Hormuz shut down, 20 percent of global oil capacity was shut in. But about 50 percent of global ethylene and polyethylene production was impacted. And I say that because 40% of the naphtha that is used to run crackers in Asia and in Europe comes through the Straits of Hormuz. So that put a real tight supply and a high price on naphtha. That drove the Asian prices up. That created a pretty wide spread to the U.S. Gulf Coast gas prices and our gas prices in Canada and Argentina. And that really lifted margins quite a lot. So we saw 10 cent per pound increase in March, and we've got another 20 cents, 30 cents a pound in April and another 20 cents out there in May. So when you when you look at it, we haven't seen this kind of an uplift in prices for well more than a decade. This may be record territory for uplift in prices. Well, at the last time we've seen these prices, Dow was at 60 dollars. Could we expect that to happen again? Yeah, I think the thing that people are looking at is what is the duration of the closure of the straits. And everybody is tending to err on the side. This is going to be over sooner rather than longer. But some scenario planning that we did said that even if the straits were to reopen today, just to clear the logistics logjam, to get the crude carriers moving, the LNG carriers, the petrochemical ships moving again, is going to take 275 days, maybe more now, because there have been more attacks and more damage in the Middle East since that scenario was put together. And so I think that leads us through 2026 and into 2027. And we said today, you know, our guide for second quarter is 12 billion of revenue and 2 billion of EBITDA with more upside than downside in that number. And that really puts us on a trajectory for something like a six billion dollar year, which is well above anything anybody's gotten the projections. Well, Jim, I think people have to understand world prices versus domestic. We know that natural gas price is set domestically, and it's pretty darn low, lowest in the world. How does that impact these different grades of chemicals that you're talking about? Yeah, well, natural gas price is a global price, and obviously our ability to move gas out of the United States is limited by LNG export capability. But as we produce more oil, which we can readily move into this market, we produce associated gas. And the U.S. has the richest amount of natural gas liquids in that associated gas. And what that means is there's more ethane and propane available here. And the only alternative use for the ethane is for petrochemicals. So while oil prices have gone up and that has really driven petrochemical price up, our ethane prices have essentially stayed flat. They've moved maybe a penny. And you've seen that natural gas has also been relatively stable here. Now that's going to move around the world because other destinations were very dependent on the Straits. Japan was getting 90% of their LNG through the Straits of Hormuz. So they're going to see a very different picture on LNG prices. All of this has a ripple effect. And I said today on the call, the last very large crude carriers that left the Straits landed at refineries today. So when you think about that, that's two months. And so you've got to get empty ships back. We've got to clean out the Straits and the Arabian Gulf. We've got to get empty ships back in. And we've got to get product offloaded so that we can restart assets. And this is not going to be in a month or two. This is going to be several quarters before you're going to see things return to normal. People should readjust their numbers. That's amazing. I did not know that it was going to be that long. I'm one of those people who are uninformed. I just didn't know. I know there was a lot of damage. I didn't know it was that bad. Now, there's also some really big news here that we spoke last week about. And I'm a little surprised. but that's because I think I'm now going through the full tenure, people. Maybe it's a surprise. I'm still here. I don't know. But, Jim, you've decided to retire. Now, is that to go see a lot of Royals games? I mean, what are you doing? Well, on July 1st, Karen Carter will step into the CEO role, and she's been the chief operating officer for some time now. She's a 30-year Dow veteran, and she really has both hands on the wheel and running day-to-day activities. I'll move into the executive chair role, and I'll still chair the board, and I'll look after some strategic projects that I've been working on, like restructuring the Sadara arrangement to get that into a better structure with the Saudis and give her some room to get herself in the CEO seat. Over the last six months, we've done a lot of succession planning. So we've actually moved all of Karen's team into their roles. And so when she starts on July 1, her team's all in place and ready to go. So Dow's always been long on leadership development and trying to promote from within. It's a complex global industry. It takes a lot of knowledge to be able to adapt and be agile in these situations. And it really helps if you understand the company very deeply when you're at the top. Well, Jim, I remember the day you got you got the job and you promised that you would try to leave the earth a better place. I thought that path to zero was one of the most clever things that I've ever seen in trying to make the environment good. Are you satisfied that you made a dent on things? Yes, I am. I think we've got a shot to get a plastics treaty through. still. It's not as got as much momentum as it had before. The Alberta project, Path to Zero project is still on track. It's going to start up in 2029, which is a little bit later, but that was moved out to line up more with the mid cycle and allow us to adjust through this three year down cycle that we've been through. But I would say Alberta is going to be a low cost footprint. If we had Alberta running right now, it would be printing money. And it'll do that when we start it up in 2029. It'll be an asset just like in the Gulf Coast when we built Texas 9 project. It'll be an asset that provides annuities every year to shareholders. And they'll be glad that we did it. All right. Well, look, I will miss you. I look forward to seeing Karen and congratulations. is all you've accomplished. And Jim Fidling, chair and CEO of Dow, great to see you, sir. Great to see you, Jim. Thanks for everything. Thank you. May have money's back after the break. Coming up, Thermo Fisher's shares have been moving in the wrong direction after their report. And now Kramer's investigating what's happening with the CEO next. What made you confident that you could do something that hadn't been done before? I have no fear of failure. Trailblazing women changing the game. One of my favorite pieces of advice, think about what your boss's boss needs. Leadership can look in many, many different forms. It really does come down to just trusting yourself. Life is short and you just got to think big to accomplish big things. Julia Boorstin hosts CNBC Changemakers and Power Players. New episodes every Tuesday, wherever you get your podcasts. All right, what just happened to the stock of Thermo Fisher Scientific, the arms dealer to the life sciences industry that I've liked for so long? This morning, Thermo Fisher reported what looked like a very solid set of numbers, a modest revenue beat paired with a healthy 19-cent earning speed off a $5.25 basis. Management also raised their four-year forecast substantially, but their guidance for the current quarter came in light. In response, the stock got obliterated today, plunging $47.28, or 9.2%, to the point where the stock's now down nearly 20%. So you get any buying opportunity? Or is there something genuinely wrong with the quarter? We've got to find this out. Let's go straight to the source. Mark Kasper, the straight shooting chairman, CEO of Thermo Fisher Scientific. Mr. Kasper, welcome back to Mad Money. Jim, thanks so much for having me today. It's a pleasure to be with you. Well, I'm glad you're here, Mark. Look, we've got to get to the bottom of what happened today. I know that obviously some people didn't like the quarter, but I'm not going to pretend it was a terrible quarter. You had a top and bottom line beat. maybe organic growth, a little bit light, but not that bad. You raised your full year outlook several times in the actual conference school. You said, look, it's pretty much what everybody expected, but a little bit better. I don't understand what happened. Yeah, so Jim, when I think about the quarter and the outlook actually our team and I very grateful for our colleagues for their intensity in the quarter and delivered a strong quarter We did what we said we were going to do and it allowed us to be able to raise our outlook for the full year both in terms of our revenue growth as well as our earnings growth. And of course, we'd like to have had a different reaction to the stock, but it's our job to just make sure we deliver a great Q2, and with continued execution, I'm confident that the market will recognize that over time. Okay. I know that your organic growth was a little bit below what I'm used to from seeing, from Thermo, just 1%. But, I mean, and that's the lowest result in four quarters, but you've got a lot of things cooking that made me think that you're going to have higher organic growth as the year progresses. Yeah, I agree, Jim. So if I think about our end markets, Pharma and biotech, which is our largest end market, about 60 percent of our revenue, actually performed very nicely. Mid-single-digit growth and actually strengthening. Orders were meaningfully stronger than that, so that bodes well for the acceleration as the year progresses. We know that we have some headwinds, you know, in academic and government and some of the China-related headwinds. These are not new topics. They didn't get worse in the quarter, and they played out actually as we thought. But the combination of that and then simply we had less selling days in this particular quarter. explains the phasing of the year. We actually have high conviction in our ability to deliver the 3% to 4% organic growth for the year and the 6% to 8% total revenue growth. So, you know, we're looking forward to Q2. From my perch at the stock exchange, I would say that if you had to have one plurality of a type of company that has rung the opening bell, it's going to be biotech. But until they get that money, do they have enough money to buy a lot of equipment from Thermo Fisher? Sure. So one of the interesting things is, as you know, there had been a period of time where funding to biotech was weak. And there was a period of time when even M&A activity of acquiring companies was weak. And that really the sentiment changed about the midpoint of 2025. We heard it verbally. We started to see it in the numbers. And now we're actually seeing in our results. If I actually look at the activity with biotech customers, we're seeing funding flow. We're winning new authorizations in our clinical research work, which is very important to biotech because that effectively is determining the efficacy of a medicine that they're trying to develop. And so it's really trending in a good direction. And when I think about this year, we would anticipate that biotech continues to strengthen based on the performance that we delivered in the last couple of quarters and the orders that we have won as well. How much does the FDA's attitude and also the head of the department matter? because I think that the doctors I know and the companies I know that do orphan drugs are a little gun shy. They feel like that perhaps the FDA does not want to approve very small set drugs. And therefore, some of the highest equipment that you that you would offer may not be needed. Yeah. So when I think about what we're seeing globally in pipelines, first of all, the understanding of biology, it's never been better. And you've heard me say in the past that we live in the golden age of biology. It's really quite spectacular, whether it's in cell therapies, whether it's in some of the work around peptides, you know, and the different areas of oncology. It really is an exciting time. When I think about the environment, you're seeing lots of innovation in China in terms of, you know, medicines, you know, showing to be efficacious in people. And I know from my own interactions with the FDA that they have a real passion about making the environment better so that more drugs can get to patients more quickly. And we're going through that process. Not everything is perfectly smooth, but I'm very confident that we're moving in the right direction from a regulatory standpoint. I did not sense the level of confidence about government spending in China. 7.5 percent of your business. I would have thought by this point China would be spending a lot of money on health care. But they're building a lot of power plants. They're spending a lot of money on AI and on cars that are self-driving. It just doesn't seem like they ever went back to spending a lot of money on health. So when you think about what's going on in China, and I had the opportunity to spend a week there later in March, saw a number of customers. I actually came away for the first time in a few years much more positive about what the future is, It's not so much about the next quarter because the pharma and biotech customers see the value of working with Western suppliers like us because they actually are competing for funding from the large pharma companies. And they know if they work with a trusted partner like us, that puts them in a better position. So we're actually seeing pharma and biotech in China really picking up. And in the macro, the government has actually been very tight on spending in health care and diagnostics. So that really is the headwind, if you will, in China. And, you know, we'll navigate that to the best of our ability. I noticed you're doing some work with NVIDIA. I think that when I was out there, Jensen Monson was telling me about the work with Eli Lilly. I keep thinking that if anyone's going to have a big breakthrough, it's going to be you with NVIDIA, because it's not going to be big pharma. As much as I love big pharma, it has to come down to something revolutionary. Are you looking at some revolutionary areas that we had given up on because there just wasn't be able to comprehend all the data that's necessary? Yeah, so we're incredibly excited about the collaboration with NVIDIA. You know, the way that I would think about it, we're the largest provider of the high end cutting edge instruments to unlock biological discovery, whether it's a mass spectrometer, whether it's an electron microscope. And making these more AI-enabled really accelerates the ability to generate and understand data. And we're actually getting to the point you're seeing autonomous labs, meaning that what that really means is that AI is driving which is the next experiment. and you're seeing new demand for actually instrumentation and reagents simply to run experiments to build biological models so that our pharma customers ultimately have a better understanding of which medicines they should be pursuing and which molecules are likely to be successful. So really quite early, but very encouraging in terms of that collaboration from an AI perspective. I'm encouraged by talking with you. I think that the market has this wrong. I usually don't say that. I usually say that I'm sorry, but the market's right. I just did not think the reaction to your report today had anything to do with what your company's doing. It may have something to do with some big holders who are just tired or something, but made no sense. But anyway, I'm glad you came on. You gave them straight story. And people said, listen, this is a great American company. I want to thank Mark Casper, chairman and CEO of Thermo Fisher Scientific, for coming on. It was a hard day for the stock, but not for the company. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Jim. Look forward to speaking soon. I hope so. We'll be back after the break. Coming up, has PG&E got the juice to succeed in the current market? Kramer's going straight to the source to find out from the CEO next. It is a great time to be an electric utility, thanks to surging power demand from all these new data centers. But some of the utilities are not getting the respect that some of these great growth utilities are around the country. We've got to figure this thing out. Take PG&E, which is based in northern and central California. This morning, the company reported a sizable top and bottom line B while reaffirming its full year forecast and also reiterating its long term earnings growth tariffs. Nine percent annual growth through 2027 from 2027 to 2030. At the same time, they've been laying down lots of infrastructure to keep residential electric rates under control and be safe. I think PG&E is a great growth story, but the stock market doesn't seem to agree with me as the stock actually got dinged today on these numbers. What is going on? Let's take a closer look with Patty Poppe, the CEO of PG&E Corp, to find out what's happening here. Ms. Poppe, welcome back to Mad Money. Hey, Jim. Great to be with you. Well, thank you, Patty. You know, I've got it. Patty, I'm trying to figure out there's a lot of misperceptions about your company. The first one is in the deck. There's a radical page which talks about percent change in residential electricity prices by region. Middle Atlantic up 18. East North Carolina up 14. South Atlantic 10. Oh, look at this. PG&E residential bond of minus 23? How are you able to do that? 23%. How are you able to do that? Yeah, we have reduced the rates for our most vulnerable customers 23% in the last two years, 13% for everybody else. Jim, I don't know anybody else who's lower in prices in California, but PG&E is. And we're doing that by transforming our business and reducing operating costs, improving our financing, and growing demand. So it's a winning combination for customers in California we're proud to serve. At the same time you're playing offense, I know that you're still making a lot of your lines harden, so to speak, so that one day we will not be talking about wildfires. This will be the same as the rest of the country, right? That's correct. We've got over 1,200 miles buried, and later this year we'll be filing a plan for about another 5,000 miles. and combined with overhead hardening, that will, over the next 10-year period, reduce the risk on 76% of our high-risk lines. But more importantly, today on our call, I talked about our continuous monitoring, the use of technology to monitor our system and take monitoring and managing the grid from a defensive posture and a responsive posture to a preventive posture, preventing both ignitions but also outages. We've increased our reliability by 19 percent in the last year. We've increased our wildfire safety. We've reduced our rates. The transformation is on track at PG&E. Do people know? Sometimes I think that maybe I just got to get the story up better because I see American electric power going up like it's a growth stock. Maybe it is a little semper a little bit. Some of these Texas utilities. But you offer the same kind of thing. You would offer good power to data centers. And, of course, all the companies that are really in the data center business are within 100 miles of you. Yeah, we serve Silicon Valley proudly. Look, we announced today that we've increased into our final engineering an additional 4.5 gigawatts of new demand. We have over 10 gigawatts just pre-application phase. Word has gotten out we do have power in California. Some people thought that we were out of power. I'm here to report. We added 33 gigawatts of capacity in California over the last five years. We've got 22 gigawatts more coming online in the next four years. There's an extraordinary availability of power in California, and people are coming. And so that load growth, we show every gigawatt we add will reduce rates by 1% or more. So we're going to be able to continue our load increase rate reducing strategy. Look, there's a single issue here in California, and that's a wildfire liability reform. That issue is being taken up by our legislature this year. This is a single issue stock. We've got an incredible growth story to your point. Fifth year on track for our fifth year of double digit earnings growth and lowering rates. Look, we have a winning combination. When we get this legislative liability issue resolved this year we going to be in great shape to really ride the increase I think you talking to the Amazon Web Services and you talking to the Google Cloud partners and you got to be talking to Microsoft right Are they ready How many are in there already and how many are just that you're laying the groundwork once this legislation is done? Yeah, look, we serve them today. We serve all of those customers today, and they all have growth plans in the Bay Area and now extending into the Central Valley. So we've got, as I said, 4.5 gigawatts. Let me just give you some perspective on that. The city of San Jose today, which is our largest city that we serve, is a one gigawatt city. We've got four and a half gigawatts of capacity in final engineering to add to the grid. We have additional 10 gigawatts in the pre-application phase. So there's no doubt that we're adding significant, significant. We have significant opportunity to add to our denominator in the cents per kilowatt. You grow the kilowatts sold, you can reduce the rates. So we've been lowering rates and we can now add that new load. The grid is ready. I hope people listen to you because the math that you just run through is somehow is not getting through to some different areas of our country. But those people are wrong. You know how to do math. Now, Germany, until March 2011, obtained one quarter of its electricity from nuclear energy using 17 reactors. They've closed them all. How come you didn't close Diablo Canyon? Well, a nod to Governor Gavin Newsom. He and the legislature here in California a couple of years ago decided to extend the life of Diablo Canyon nuclear plant. It was scheduled to be closed and it is now extended through 2030. and the NRC just gave us our 20-year license extension that would take us to 2045. So now it's up to the legislature again to determine if they'll take advantage of that 20-year license. Do you think an outfit like a GE Vernova, which is doing the TVA, might come in and just say, you know what, if you want us, we'll build a nuke again here now that everyone knows that nukes are the cleanest and safest? Yeah, I think a lot would have to change in California before we announce the building of a new nuclear plant. But the extension of an existing one feels like a good bet. And MIT just published a study showing that it would save almost a billion dollars for customers to keep the plant open. So our team is so proud to serve. We love operating that plant. It's one of the safest operated nuclear plants in the world. And we are proud to be at service for California. And so if the legislature so decides, we will be ready to go. Well, look, you're going to keep us posted on the legislature and what we need to hear about wildfires so that we can have you on so people realize this is a $25 stock, not a $17 stock. I totally agree. It's a single issue. You've got that right. But you know more than I do. Of course you do. That's Patty Poppins. She's the CEO of PG&E Symbols PCG. Be patient, people. Thank you, Patty. Thank you, Jim Cramer. All right. Everybody's back after the break. Coming up, you've got questions. Kramer's got the answers. Get charged up for a fast-fire lightning round next. It is time. It's time for the lightning round. It's time for the lightning round. Tells us how this is good. Of course, I could say it. I'm going to step here. It's good to apply. We play in this sound. And then the lightning round is over. Are you ready? Steve, that's a light round. Let's start with Jonas in Tennessee. Jonas. Hey, Jim, I'd love to hear your take on this rare earth stock tied to Greenland that's showing great mining test results and will reduce our dependence on China. The stock is critical metals. No, look, I look, it's a spec and I get that. But if you really want to be in that industry, you have to buy MP materials. They're for real. Let's go to Tom in Florida. Tom. Booyah, Jim. You got a lot of fans here at the Elks Lodge in Englewood, Florida. And we want to know your thoughts on Soundhound AI. Hey, let me tell you, I'll let you know a secret. The Escambia Bay Elks Lodge may be the best in the country. And Summit's number two. Wait, what was this? I'm sorry, I got a little. Soundhound. No, no, no. We don't want to be in Soundhound. We Elks cannot be in Soundhound. We're better than that. And we like to get to charity, you and me. So we won't let that'll cut our amount of charity that we can give. Let's go to Quasi in Minnesota. Quasi. Hey, Jim, this is Quasi from Minnesota. All right. How's it going? Not bad. How about you? Good. I'm calling about Dave, D-A-V. I've been holding this time for a while. I like Dave, the bar. I like Dave that has really packed energy bars more than I like Dave, this kind of pseudo fintech. We're going to sell FinTech, and we're going to have some day bars when we get home after work. Let's go to Dawn in Connecticut. What is that accent? Dawn. How did I get that accent? Where did that come from? Dawn. Hi, can you tell? Hey, what's up? Greetings from Fredericton, Connecticut. Okay. My stock is Rivia, and I was wondering if you were warming up to it. That last quarter was good. That last quarter was good. I was surprised. You know, my wife was thinking about buying a Rivia, I don't know, but it looks like they're going to make it. And if they're going to make it, then the stock goes higher. By the way, I'm giving you two for I like Tesla today. OK, those who don't like Tesla, they can come see me. And they're probably short Intel. Those same people probably short Intel. Let's go to Isabel in Florida. Isabel. Hi, Jim. Thank you for taking the call. I love your show. Oh, thank you. I'm looking for some feedback on Insulate. Insulate is the stock in the health care group. It's the most decline. It is the biggest decline of any stock in the health care group. And I looked at it today to see if I could recommend it. It's still too expensive because the GOP-1 threat existential. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of the Lightning Round. The Lightning Round is sponsored by Charles Schwab. Coming up, a lot of stocks have gone parabolic this year. And if you own one, you better listen up. Kramer is giving you an important lesson next. Booyah, Jim Kramer. I'm a first-time caller, a happy club member. I want to thank you for being the biggest champion of investing. Thank you for helping me become a millionaire. You need to be able to recognize when you're flying too close to the sun. Today, I looked at a list of stocks that have rallied more than 50 percent this month. Yes, just this month. And in almost every case, their charts had formed a parabola. What's a parabola? If you don't remember algebra class, this is when a stock goes practically straight up. No breaks. If you have a parabolic move on your hands in one of your stocks, you need to take profits. because parabolas quite often lead to crashes. That's right, crashes. Not sell-offs, crashes. I don't care if the underlying company is better than Intel or NVIDIA. When you have a stock that's up so much in such a short time, please at least sell enough to be able to recoup your cost basis so that you're playing with the house's money. Last night I talked about 16 stocks that got away from me. Most of these are very good companies, which is why I keep kicking myself from missing moves. But I can't say the same for some of the stocks that have more than doubled this month. Let's say, for example, you bought Mega Fortune Co., which is up over 2,000% this month. Yes, you heard me, 2,000% in April. Mega Fortune is a Hong Kong-based Internet of Things solutions provider, whatever the heck that is. It's not a lottery ticket, even if it's in short trades like one, or a slob machine, as there's actually one called Mega Fortune. Hey, give it a Gemini. Mega Fortune, a nearly $2 billion company, has $11 million in revenue. It's become a modern-day meme stock. It was at $6 and change at the end of March. Now it's at $140. Look, power block moves like this are unsustainable. You simply have to take some profits or else. Next up, the other day, David Faber pointed out that Avis, the rental car company, has seen its stock soar from $100 to $700 in less than a month. Avis happened to be way overshorted at the lows, with many more shares sold short than actually existed. That's a recipe for the mother of all short squeezes, and we got it. But how about the longs? Did they do anything? If they didn't sell Avis into strength, well, they're fools. After peaking at about $800 a couple days ago, the stock's now plunged to $229. And many who bought it in the parabola a few days ago have been wiped down. That's why you need to be disciplined and sell these things while they're still on fire. Don't buy the parabola. We get a lot of calls about stocks that have gone parabolic here. The other day, I got a call about Lightwave Logic. It develops polymers for networking equipment. Everybody does that these days. Stock's going from $4 to $13 in just over six weeks. This company has almost no revenues. It's up over 93% this month. Perfect candidate for selling half your stock tomorrow morning. Then there's Poet, Navitas, and Credo. These are all semiconductor networking stocks that have gone parabolic, each up around 100% this month. We profiled Poet earlier this week. Sounds interesting, but not 100% up interesting. Sell some. If you're sitting on one of these thinking that you've made money, no, you haven't. You don't make money until you ring the register. These stocks are crying out to be sold. Will you listen to them? So promise me this. If you own a stock that's up more than 50% this month, Do some selling tomorrow. Maybe take out your cost basis. Maybe cut the position size in half. You don't know if Anthropoc can come in and crush your stock like we saw today with ServiceNow. You don't know if Marvell Tech is about to move in or AMD or maybe even apply to Opto Electronics or Astero Labs. All now risk to value themselves. Maybe somewhere in the bowels of Google there's someone who's working to take away your dinner. We do know this. One day interest rates will go higher and the new year of magical investing, Magical Investing 2, which is where we are right now, will leave a lot of people crying. 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