Cinephobe

Top 5 Business

54 min
May 11, 202620 days ago
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Summary

The Cinephobe Top 5 Business episode features three hosts ranking fictional business people and enterprises from movies, debating what constitutes good versus bad business practices. The discussion spans drug empires, small business owners, corporate executives, and unconventional entrepreneurs, with hosts frequently disagreeing on rankings and business ethics.

Insights
  • Successful business in fiction often involves either exploiting systems (debt financing, government contracts) or operating outside legal boundaries (drug trafficking, slavery)
  • Scale and profitability don't determine business quality—small community-focused businesses receive equal consideration to massive criminal enterprises
  • Negotiation skills and confidence in business dealings are valued regardless of moral implications of the underlying business
  • The hosts recognize that most high-profile fictional business figures engage in criminal activity, suggesting a pattern in how cinema portrays wealth accumulation
Trends
Fictional business narratives often conflate wealth with moral corruption or criminal enterpriseSmall business ownership and community employment are increasingly valued metrics in entertainment discussionsDebt financing and leveraged buyouts are portrayed as sophisticated business strategy rather than riskGovernment contracting and public-private partnerships are depicted as opaque wealth-generation mechanismsDrug trafficking and organized crime are analyzed using legitimate business frameworks (scaling, investment, employee management)
Topics
Fictional Business EthicsCriminal Enterprise ManagementDebt Financing StrategiesGovernment ContractingSmall Business OperationsCorporate Negotiation TacticsDrug Trafficking EconomicsMovie Business TropesWealth Accumulation MethodsEmployee Management in Fiction
Companies
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Disney Plus
Mid-roll sponsor advertising original series and content library including rivals and high potential
Emerson Foods
Fictional company from Married by Christmas with private jet and family-controlled distribution business
Dynatox Industries
Fictional plutonium company run by Terry Silver in Karate Kid III with international deals
Boulder Stream
Fictional company from Horrible Bosses 2 run by CEO Bert Hansen with exploitative business practices
Cobra Kai
Fictional karate dojo empire expanded by Terry Silver across multiple locations
People
Zach
Co-host ranking fictional businesses and debating business ethics in movies
Anthony Mayes
Co-host providing business rankings and commentary on fictional enterprises
Pulitzer Prize Winner Host
Third co-host claiming Pulitzer Prize for podcast work, ranking fictional businesses
Wayne Brady
Discussed as successful businessman in Crossover who employs people and operates nightclub
Terry Silver
Karate Kid III antagonist ranked as top business person for plutonium deals and dojo expansion
Bert Hansen
Horrible Bosses 2 character ranked for sophisticated corporate exploitation tactics
Jack Palance
Played drug lord in Tango Cash who can afford to lose millions and remain composed
Quotes
"The only thing that creates wealth is wealth and we have it. You don't."
Bert Hansen (Horrible Bosses 2)Number 3 ranking
"His main business is plutonium, but he puts that on hold because for the next few weeks his business is strictly revenge."
Host discussing Terry SilverNumber 2 ranking
"Follow the money."
Host discussing CGI City Police Department fundingOutside Looking In discussion
"I make new enemies every day. It's called business."
Bert Hansen (Horrible Bosses 2)Number 3 ranking
"The rich stay rich because they get somebody else to pay for it through debt financing."
Host discussing leverage and wealthEarly discussion
Full Transcript
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If you're a curious person and want to learn more about the world you live in, just subscribe to Everything Everywhere Daily wherever you cast your pod.哎哎哎哎 Unless you're doing the work before and then obviously it's not necessary. But yeah, you know what? Yeah, let's let's double. Let's double up. Absolutely. Double mink gum. Cause I think it'll look good when you see graphics that we already have on the screen to then include the graphics within the graphics. I hated this. What's the point? It looks like a means looking at it. Yes. This is the branded welcome for guests and the explanation is make a strong first impression. Yeah, now join through a branded landing page automatically generated from your brand, your logos, colors and styling are applied for a seamless professional welcome. Professional. That's the word I was looking for. No, it's very professional. Figuration needed. You didn't have to configure it, Zach. You're not appreciating this, I feel like. I didn't have to before. No, it's it's like it's one more. It's one more screen before I get into where I need to be. Like I said, Zach wants to. Oh, why can't I just sit down in the restaurant and start eating? Oh, there's someone at the front. Say hello. Someone offers you some water and someone offers you some, you know, breadsticks or something. That's what this is. This is the water. This is the water when you sit down. Never ending pasta bowl or something like that. You know, a classy place, but don't worry. Everyone's got water. This is fitting because I do think Luca Ferrari deserves some consideration for CT five business. No, absolutely. What do you mean? Oh, my God. I bought AOL for $50 billion and whatever it was. How is that not CD five business? He didn't buy it for $50 billion or whatever it was or some shit. I don't know how much was AOL purchased for by Luca Ferrari. You gotta look 4.4 billion. What's a couple? No, that was by Verizon in 2015. He bought it for 1.5 billion. Great business. Hold on. It was 4.4 billion. He bought it. What a deal. No, it's only good business if he sells it for more. All of the improvements that he's got. Well, I'm sure he's gonna have like a landing pay. How about you, Boba Dukes put them as top of your list? How about that? I love my business men though. I love my CT five business so much. Yeah. That I don't think I could make room for Luca, but he did buy it with $2.8 billion of debt financing. You're telling me that's not business? What does that mean? Well, it means that like whatever the price is, part of it is him just inheriting their debt. That's smart. That's how you get value. Is it because you can just write it off? No, you're answering it the way where you don't understand. I know. I do understand. You think you want a polliter now you can just say anything. I can. Unfortunately, he can. It's really unfortunate for us. No, he's the same idiot he was before. No, I got a medal. I got a full medal. I don't think it's a medal. It is actually a medal. Yeah. With a ribbon and everything. But yeah, man, like, you know, hey, you have to just accept my word is law now. No. Yeah, that's how that works. I mean, debt financing is just that he got somebody else to pay for it. Look, this is what happens. People will buy stuff like at a given price, but a certain amount of it is just that inherited debt. And then you write that off. That's how the, you know, so the rich stay rich. I don't know why you're fighting. Look, Brari for great businessman. He's nothing. Stream yard. He listed so many banks that he got this $2.8 billion dollars. One point eight. No, he spent 1.5 on a well, but he got 2.8 billion in debt financing. We transfer 15 different banks. This, this is money laundering. This is C T five money laundering, not C T five business. That's business. That's not business. That's not business. Grow up that political. C T five. Politics is a different episode. C T five business though. I mean, look at for my place with my list because I'm just picking things that I find funny. There's no like good or bad. Okay. And the majority of them are crimes. Unfortunately, unfortunately, that's what I discovered. Yeah. I discovered that. Yeah. Like most of these business people are criminals. This idea is just straight up bad. That algorithm is busted. It's among the worst ideas I've ever heard. Top five. Easy. I mean, struck this evening, y'all, but he's got five C T five. Welcome to Cinephob top five, aka C T five. This is the companion podcast to the top 10 in the world. TV and film review podcast, Cinephob. What's Cinephob? You ask that's the one where we're actually watching these movies and reviewing them and letting you know whether they're accurately rated or maybe they get a fair shake. My suggestion to you this your first time in experience, Cinephob hit pause right now. Look at the list. Find yourself a movie that you've seen. Listen to that episode. Then you're going to laugh, but you're going to be confused a bunch of times. Like, wait, what the hell? What was this about? I don't get this reference. Listen to the glossary episode. We explain a lot of these references and these inside jokes. And then go back and start listening to more episodes. And what you're going to discover is over time. There are going to be certain trends, certain themes, certain groupings of things that present themselves. And you'll say to yourself, wow, these guys are doing a great job of ranking these things. And we rank them in something called Cinephob top five, right? We give you our top five picks. And then we give you two ol eyes outside looking ins some past categories that we've done have been CT five hats, CT five worst picks. That's the selections that we make in terms of picking a movie. CT five sidekicks, which is, I guess, relevant now since we did the movie sidekicks. Maybe we have to update that list. CT five villains and CT five remakes. But today, today we're doing CT five business, business people, businesses. There's a lot of latitude and leeway with this. So I imagine that we're going to have quite the interesting list. This is the order we're going to go in. Zach will go first. I, the Pulitzer prize winning podcaster will go second. Anthony mays will go third. Zach, what is your first? I also want to pull it to her. Did you? Well, I was on public's podcast. You weren't on that episode. This specific episode. I actually would argue, it's not like, no, I would actually argue that my episode led to his episode about, about bombers. Sure. Sure. And then I guess you could say your episode led to me winning a Pulitzer, but you didn't want to pull it. So sir, I bet I could get it. Go ahead. Love. They love me at the times. That's, you know what? They, uh, the other nominees that we beat out, one of them was a Wall Street general about like standard ground laws. The, the other one was a New York times and it was about, uh, medication, administered transgender youth who were trying to transition in their teens and about the policies around it. So maybe you can be on that team over there. Well, that's the beauty is I work for both the times and the athletic. Maybe I'm a little Pulitzer winner. I get two. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, you could, you could play your little game here. The reality is I am a Pulitzer winner and you're playing a game. Where's the metal? What's up? Where's the metal? It's in the office. I'm in, I'm in LA. I saw the life is you got it already. What you should have said is, Oh, they're sending it to me because I couldn't be there for the ceremony because that would have been something that's so believable. I'm in LA. What's, what's, what's unbelievable about that? Well, there's amazing, by the way. Zach, what's your first? Unbelievable, man. What's your first outside looking in Zach? Oh, a great story like monsters, Inc. stays with you forever. And Disney Plus is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award winning hit series, rivals. Welcome to the naughtiest show on television to the unmissable crime drama, high potential, gotta dead body, gotta a lifetime of great stories awaits this spring on Disney Plus 18 plus subscription required, T's and C's apply. All right. Maze has pulled this bullshit before just combining two into one. So I'm doing the same thing from two different movies. This would be in the bad business area of business, even though my list is all over the place. So I'm combining selling the Y2K survival kit and opening a diner in the desert. Honeymooners and Legion. I forgot all about that. You could have been a part of this big ball. Yeah. No, we're going on our own. Wow. Okay. That was a bad, bad decision. Terrible decision. You know, in retrospect. All right. My first outside looking in. I picked up a guy who pulled himself up by his own bootstraps, who gives back to the community, who worked his way up in corporate America and decided there's a better way of doing this. And I'm not going to live in a glitzy glamorous town like LA. Nope. I'm going to go back home to the D. It's Wayne Brady in crossover. Look how many people he employs. Yeah. He is an economic move breaker outside looking in. I was going to focus more on basketball bets.com. Streetball bets. Yeah. Yeah. So whatever the fuck it was. That's me. This is not like the pro's deck. Yeah. This is one, one arm of his, of his empire, of his business empire that he's created. This is not like the fortune 500. Yeah. Anytime you can combine a successful nightclub with a room full of nerds on computers, you have to, but then also buy a train station and renovate it. You have to. Well, renovate. Yeah. Yeah. Not the renovations. Don't spend too much money on that. Also hot nerds on computers. They weren't just regular nerds. Yeah. That's a good call. Do we have a lot of business aside from can hardly wait. Do we have ugly nerds in the Centiphone universe? I think it's mostly been hot nerds. Yeah. Stanley jobs. Accepted. Who's the nerd? Yeah. Ask me about my weiner. Yeah. That's true. That's a good point. Yes. Your first OLI. All right. I already, already love where both of your heads are at cause I didn't get to, I didn't even get to Wayne Brady. So that shows you how deep this is. Wow. And this one, you know, this one, we don't exactly have the person who's responsible for this good business as a character. So I'm kind of speculating here, but it's whoever negotiated the funding for the CGI city police department. Wow. Oh, is that business or is that public policy? It's business. It's business. I think there, I think it overlaps into both, but there's definitely business to it. Cause I think of it as anytime my dad stays in a hotel, he comes away thinking and talking about like, man, imagine, imagine the sales rep that got to sell all these LG TVs to the, to the, to the hotel chain or all these, man, I must have made a fortune to me. That's semi related here. Yeah. So I mean, there's kind of two ways you can go about it. It's either that the person is super good at requesting the funds from the government or they're incredibly good at getting outside sponsors and donors. Okay. So are we talking about the person who like requisition the stuff or the person who like the supplier, the contract, the contract, the government contractor pretty much is a private business that won the bid to build CGI city. I was talking about CGI city. I'm talking about specifically the police department. Yeah. But yeah, but that's what I'm saying is the contractor who provided all the money on it. I didn't get it on it. Oh, so you're just saying the whole empire of it. I think, I think, cause I think one is a business and the other is a, is a municipality is like a, is like a government thing. That's your tax money. Basically. Let me, let me, let me explain to you how some of these municipalities work. Okay. This is, this is how big government works and what are you saying, Zach? I'm saying follow the money. That's crazy. Yeah. But you know, I'm just thinking about the size of the monitors and these labs. I'm thinking about the handwriting expert on staff. These are not writing expert alone. That retainer. These are not standard police taxpayer money, man. Okay. But someone is negotiate is getting that taxpayer money and explaining that and getting that cleared so they can have the sickest fucking most high tech police department in the country, in the CGI country. That's right. Zach, your other OLI. I don't understand how it happened. I don't understand how it's a business, but it appears to be big business to build a dome to cover the entire world. Highlander to dog. Do you know the construction work on that? Holy shit. Holy, you want to talk contracting? Jesus, brother, we're rich forever. Oh my God. Yeah. You know that shouldn't get in to get done in the timely manner. No, not at all. We're gonna have delay of delay. We got delays. We got permits. We need bribes. Sorry. I got to take this copper, copper piping over to another job. We can't have it now. You need to have been accumulating interest on a bank account for several hundred years in order to pull off something like that. 100%. Absolutely. It's funny. I thought of that movie and I was like, who's, who's doing business in that movie? And all I could think of was the Taylor. I was like, I probably like think about how good his business is doing. He got paid in gold coins from like 600 years ago and shit. I think, I think we should do a re-watching tin, but stop and watch the first one at the same point where I stopped and watch the first one of the game back to it. It's a long look. It's we're talking like a four hour re-watching tip. And I think we do it. It's a cat of magic. Sure is. Your other OLI. Yeah. My other OLI, I'm not going to go, you know, like it's easy in these types of lists to get out of focused on guys are making immense amounts of money and business empires. And to me, CT5 business is not just that. They're also business people who are just earning a living and doing what they can, giving back to the community, giving jobs to locals, making sure that they have the tools equipped to take on life because sometimes you got some Nerdy Wells, this is their first job or whatever. Careful. And yeah, I'm just saying. Look at it. But like, you got to teach them kind of like, Hey man, this is how the real world works. And so my other OLI is from dirty work. It's Don Rickles, the movie. Absolutely. Good small businessman. Yeah. Again, not a millionaire, probably, but like getting by and making sure guys like Norm McDonald and Artie Lang understand what's expected of them when they work in corporate America. 100%. Yeah. You have to, you have to make those people fall in line. That makes you good at it. Absolutely. Dirty works got a lot of business going on. Yeah. Yeah. Could be a horseman, retroactively. My other OLI is a movie that once I started revisiting is stunningly centered around business. And you might not think so on the surface, but then once you get into it, you realize that married by Christmas is all about Emerson foods and the tape family cutting room floor. Me too. I just wrote whole foods married by Christmas because not only is there the study revelation that they have a private jet for a food distribution company, which got all kinds of questions there. The reason that they're even in that predicament in the first place is because Nana didn't believe that women should be involved in business. That's right. It is what they call traditional values or also Dan Brown values. She put a provision in her will to give the company away to the first daughter that got married to that person's, that daughter's husband, not even to the daughter, son-in-law. Give it to the husband. You got to that's good business. Yeah. Nana is Nana by not participating in business at all is actually a genius business woman. She's worked out so far. Yeah. It's an empire. Hard to argue. They're office building with all of the fucking printed out photos of foods. Well, that's the product of 11. Those are the products, man. What are you talking about? Here's the broccoli bunch. Emerson foods. Oh, shit. Number five, not all business needs to be big business. Right? Sometimes you've got a small business. It's a fledgling business. It's a tough business and just a tough market, a small town. But if you could do something bold in order to boost that business and that income, it could be anything. It could be, you know, giving away product to bring people in to realize like, Oh my God, we got to have this. It could be as simple as signing Mickey Minnell's chimp. That's right. It's signing Ed in the movie Ed. That's right. Nerds. Let's get it put it first. What are you going to do now? Don't DM me about it. Hold on. Are they hot nerds? They're not. Number five is just a transaction. Or if they are DM me about it. Yeah. Why don't you send a picture? Before you'd sent me some time. Are you giving is who's it was the guy with the comb over with comb over? Yeah, that guy's even though he's the villain in the movie. He's a good businessman. So it's just the transaction is what you're referring to. Well, no, it's he's running the business of the minor league baseball team. I mean, they also signed Matt LeBlanc. He's all and then what did they do? They, well he, well, I don't know if you know, he gets to the majors because he had one pitch. He had one, one good inning. Where is Ed the champ? They bought the, they got Tom, a Lassorta in there. Homeless sort of also good business. Right? She also made multiple transactions regarding Ed. You know, so maybe the other team, yeah, he did sell Ed again. And it wasn't even as for like baseball, the other team wasn't going to let them play. They were going to lock the cage and torture them. God's with the cattle, frauds. Damn. My number, my number five. All right. This one admittedly, I, I went back and forth on whether to include this or not. The main reason is because in theory, it is a hypothetical business. It's not real, but within this hypothetical, it is massively success. A wild success. So if you will allow me that we can accept this hypothetical to be real, my number five CT five business is Cine Industries from. The cutting room floor, cutting room floor. I thought about it. It was the last one I came up. I was like, I know I'm missing something. There's some industry. Oh, city industries. It's a great pick. Do we have any idea what type of business it is? It's just business. We don't have any time, but we don't have any type of idea of what kind of business it isn't. And all we know is it's successful enough for her to get interviewed about it. All encompassing. Yeah. It's like goop. It's the Cine goop. Man. Yeah. That's good. Okay. My number five comes down to the invention of one brilliant fucking business idea. And that is the helicopter pilot in Dante's Peak, who invented surge pricing. Oh, I forgot about that. That is my God's brilliant man. He gets paid 15 K in cold cash to fly the rich guy who's like trying to revitalize the town away from the eruption. He immediately dies. So unfortunately that's really what's holding him back at number five is that he implements this business plan to extort people once he's already in the helicopter, but then he doesn't really get to take it that far. He did a good job, man. Yeah. He did a really good job. I remember us like we were so impressed with him. We're his business. This business savvy man. It's one of the smartest things anyone's ever done. I can't believe I forgot about that. That's crazy. Zach, your number four. Okay. Not all business, not all business is transactional. Not all business involves money. Sometimes you're like the dad in the good son. You're just in the pussy getting business. Business is booming. Yeah. All the proof of life over there. Pussy getting business could not have been cleaning up more. Then we just do a movie with him in it. Yeah, we did. It's coming. Yeah. It's not I am. Several years. Several xenophobic years. Because what he says he's going on a sales trip to Japan to Japan. The dude was in Albuquerque getting it in a lot of sales. He went to El Paso getting it in. Good times. All right. My number four again, small business owner, right? Providing a service for his community that is much needed and this service, by the way, he's very, very successful at it. It'll force him a lifestyle that most of his peers could not afford. Made him one of the wealthiest people in his community. Enough where he can steal women from other people with the promise of wrapped candies. It's foy. I was, I was watching, I was watching Piston's calves game three and like doing my list as I'm watching that. And I, I got to a million ways to die in the West on the, on the list of your own or spreadsheet. And I could not remember. I was like, you had a mustache business. What if I couldn't remember the mustache? Yeah. So it didn't get on my, didn't get on my list, but I did think about putting Sarah Silverman, honorable mention, Sarah Silverman for her own sole proprietorship. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I think she, I think it's like one of the, she, it's like a barber renting a chair. Exactly what I was about to say. Like you go and you give a cut. You guys save no doing on that. We're going to fucking barbers. Are you going to, you know, Oh shit. Major number four. Well, yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised to see for here. Of course, he is an icon in the game because, you know, there's a, there's not two, like there's some overlap here with CT five jobs, which was the third ever CT five we ever did. So yeah, cause you had mustache. Number one on CTV five jobs. I would love to work at a mustache. But I don't think it's the best business. See, I could be the best job, but not the best business. Yeah. So it's the, it's the Venn diagram of that, but my number four, we don't really know what this character's where his money comes from. So I don't know what type of businessman he is, but I do know that he has a keen understanding of where a certain type of business is going. He has a vision of the future and that is happy from blue chips. Thought about him. He's a core dealer, right? That is that is, I don't know. He's got a lot of, he's got his, he's got his fingers in a lot of pots. And as he points out quite clearly to Nick Nolte, coach P bell, you're getting paid for this. The kids are not, and that's wrong. We owe it to him. We owe it to him. We owe it to him. And then also in the trailer, no smoking gun. I am the smoking gun. Jesus Christ. Number three. All right. I was again, I was a little distracted as I was making my list. And I got to a point where I couldn't really remember what was going on in terms of the story. So I just wrote whatever loo, whatever Lord Dobbs is doing. Cutting room floor because I just didn't know what he was doing. I tell you what he's doing, but I know it's business. He didn't make it literally because I just couldn't figure out what his profession was. Yeah. I mean, he's a pirate. Is he, he's in a white suit. He's like a sailor suit. Yeah. I don't think he's a pirate. I don't know what he was in the British Navy at some point. This is if you believe a word he said. Okay. Is he like a bookie? I know he gambles on fights. He straight up sells JCVD into slavery. Oh, there's that. I'm glad he's not number one. I think you add that to my list of crimes. I think he's a, you know, 1920s importer exporter a pirate. All right. So let me just say right now. My number three. I do not condone this business. I think it is terrible. I think it's abhorrent. I think that this person should be, this should be flogged, should be punished under the most stringent punishments we can think of. Having said that, having said that, we cannot deny is a wildly successful business. Even as we understand this business. Oh, no, bad. It's Yon from the mighty ducks to cutting room floor, cutting room floor. And I wrote Yon Diddlyne empire question mark. And no question mark as an exclamation point. I wasn't quite sure how he made money off it. I just, I do it because, because the other part of his business is the wild markup on hockey equipment. And the original mighty ducks. That's, that's the scam. No, but then, then they do it again. And buddy ducks too went like team USA's gear was made by Yon. Yeah. They do it again. No, then, because I had this on my cutting room floor was the tibbles, the dude from Hendrix hockey, CD five business decision to pay Emilio however much money to give him a Malibu beach house to make a drunk the next Pat Riley. Yeah. By coaching youth hockey. Yes. That's that's insane. That's that's the T five. We're going to specifically do bad business. Also, we're going to create a national team out of 90 percent. His players from fucking Minnesota who won one game. Basically they're like three games. Yeah. What about what about my man identical? Why wasn't he the national team coach? Oh, man. Cause he had that one yellow banner. We're now two. Yeah. It's good. But yeah, there's definitely lots of lots of interesting business going on, but you went with Yon. You went with Yon's business. It's wildly successful. Even as I'm disgusted by what he does. All right. My number three has this quote. I make new enemies every day. It's called business. Kristoff waltz, Bert Hansen, horrible bosses to army. Just the, no, does it something creek? What is it? Boulder stream, boulder stream. That's right. Yeah. CEO of boulder stream, but the scam that he runs on them is well, it's good business. It's good business. It's bad business by them. Yeah. They didn't, they didn't cross their T's and dot their eyes. They got absolutely played and he says, you honestly think hard work, hard work creates wealth. The only thing that creates wealth is wealth and we have it. You don't. And by the way, honorable mention, Sudeika's bad business hiring practices. I mean, there's a lot of bad business in that. You know, you got, you got the fucker Jones should not run a big Barry. That's a good CD five worst negotiators. All right. Number two, five billion dollars in heroin in 1986, five billion dollars in heroin. What's the state? Simon? Yeah, Zach. I mean, I'll just it's so ironic that you did your number two is my number one because I'm pretty sure my number two is your number one. Uh-huh. And I, and I tried to like, oh, is this, I think this will like back to back in all but yes, the lion made his money big time in drugs. That's the description of his business practices. Five billion dollars in heroin. He in 1987, that's fourteen point five billion dollars today. Roughly street value based on like one seizure that I found 45 K for a pound. So that's 320,000 pounds of heroin, 160 tons. That's more than a blue whale or the Statue of Liberty in heroin and he's moving that in one go one go. And then what's he doing with that money? Zach is taking those profits and he's developing an army of super digits. Why to protect heroin? There you go. It's a, it's, it's rebuilding. You know, it's investing in the company. We got to rewatch that one. We do. We absolutely do. Cause I thought about our guy or take a from the first American ninja same, same, same, same. And he's good. Small potatoes. The lion pulls him the fuck out of the water. One dude's Michael Jordan. The other ones like Jamal Crawford. Like it's just and I also love how he fucking brings in his investors to give them the longest quarterly earnings report. Every walking through his whole factory. Yeah. Look at my scientists that I kidnaped. Like, Oh my God. Oh, I am. Yeah. All right. My number two, again, I cannot stress enough, wildly successful, wildly successful. And you know, some of the other names on my list here, Wayne Brady, Don Rickles talked about like them doing a service for their community, giving jobs to people in their community. But you know, it's better than hiring people in the community, hiring your friends and paying them ridiculous amounts of money. To just hang out on vacation. I don't have to like them, but I respect the fuck out of his business. He's on a, he's on a CT five run. Yeah. He's really cleaning up. How do you, I mean, how can he not wait till we get to happy Madison year? Oh shit. You think we'll, we'll, we'll have enough movies. Oh yeah. I think, yeah, I think we're gonna have enough. Oh man. All right. So my number two, and I'm, I'm expecting this to be Zach's number one, because he's the CEO of Dynatox Industries. He's signing plutonium deals left and right. It's Terry Silver from karate kid three. Not my number one. I didn't make my list because I was worried he was going to be too low. I like, he was somewhere around the pussy getting business with the when I was doing or pussy. It's one or the other one, peer the other. So yeah, no, but that's a great call. It's a great call. I mean, all time. I'm staggered. I'm stuck. I clear the lane. I was exact. Scott, this one taking care of well again, Ed went very, very early. I'm trying to keep some of these people off their toes. Okay. So off their toes off their toes. He's dumping chloride sludge in Borneo. He's used to bribing the grand jury. He does it all the time. He knows the dinner. Let's get him over here for some poach. He's such a business dude. He's having his secretary take notes while he's in the bathtub in the bathtub. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's, he's sending his, his homie to Bermuda or where's the Bermuda? What he's in Thailand, right? Oh yeah. I know. Whatever. Mimona is. Yes. How do you know about Mimona? I know, I know, but yeah, he buys 20 dojos. Can we rewatch that please straight up? Like no problem off the rip. No, it goes just because just cause, but then, but then my favorite part, Mike Barnes comes in. He's, he thinks he's going to get 25% of the dojos. He's like, I want 50% of the dojos. So Mike Barnes is trying to negotiate himself 10 dojos to beat the shit out of some kid. And Terry's like, you know what? I respect your negotiating skills. Fine. You can have the 10 dojos. I'll buy 20 more. Like who cares? Is it, is it 50% as in like 10 of the 20 dojos or is it like 50% of all gross? Oh, I think it's 20 dojos. It might be better if it's 10 dojos. I kind of thought he was giving him the dojos. I don't want to run a dojo. I just want to just, you're not Mike Barnes. No, that's a good point. You're, you're in a cobro. Who are the fuck? What's the magazine? Snake? Snake. Oh, the whole thing. Yeah. And the end of course got to include the quote where his main business is plutonium, but he puts that on hold because for the next few weeks his business is strictly revenge. Okay. CT five business of a teenager, a teenager in recita. He's going to torture this kid. Yeah. Just by the way, just watching the kid walk down the street, you'd be like, you know what? Nevermind. No, man. I, this is too much. That fucking Ralph Machio walk. His hips don't move, man. Teddy Rick's He's moving like an eight year old man with osteoporosis since he was 14. Just talking the whole fucking time. Oh my God. The fuck up. That's your number one maze. When you started saying, I bet my number one is your or my number two is your number one. I thought absolutely because I would have thought running an entire opium empire as Alec Baldwin, Uncle Xander, shadow. I thought about that. He went as a part of the army and ended up running an opium empire that rules as a white man as a white man. That's business. The prequel I've wanted so badly. Yes. Opium King. The white opium king of Asia. Oh my God. Long-ass fingernails picking at the meat. Hoes everywhere. Nine deep in a bed. You really went drug, drug heavy. And yeah, man. A lot of crime, a lot of drugs, a lot of crime. Well, whatever Lou Dobbs is doing. Selling someone a slavery. Lou Dobbs, Lord Dobbs. Okay. I mean, if you're number one. My number one. All right. So I'm trying to remember. Oh yeah. So yeah. Honeymooners did come out so I can make this reference. Remember when they're at the like the banquet or whatever because they're trying to convince the dude to let the dog race and John Leguizamo says, yo, this dude like lost three million dollars. That's how you know he's really good at business. Right. Yeah. That's not that's not my number one. But I want to use that as the crux of anyone who can have an empire and make a shit ton of money. Like millions of millions of dollars and then afford to lose millions of dollars and not be incensed, not be like raging, kind of have a nice chuckle about it to yourself. It's Jack Palance in Tangled Cash. Yeah. How many millions? How many millions? He just kind of giggled himself. He did. Yeah. Yep. Had to do it. Yeah. I figured it. So many of his drugs waltzed away. Yeah. Waltzed away with my drugs and he's just, he's just laughing. He's taking it. He's a good sport about it. But you know what? That's, that's how successful his business is. Yeah. He can take that hit and be fun. Yep. And keep moving. Mm hmm. Yeah. In regards to the white opium king of Asia, that was my number two dream prequel. And I call it the white poppy was what title for that one. But I didn't even think about it for business, but that, I mean, that's incredible business. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And as, as stated, mine was the lion, $5 billion of heroin. So billion in 1981. Ever. Zach had signing Ed at five. The dad is in the pussy getting business and business is booming from the good son. Whatever Lord Dobbs is doing in the quest, the lion from American Ninja two and the white opium king of Asia in the shadow. I mean had city industries, one, two, three, four is moustache in a million ways down in the West. Yon from deep to the mighty dogs doesn't endorse it though. He doesn't endorse it. And Jack Palance, he set up Yon and Sandler the same way. Look, they're really successful. Yeah. And then I had full to kids, the helicopter pilot from Dante's peak. And that guy should be happy from blue chips, Bert Hansen from horrible bosses to Terry Silver and the lion. Okay. Maze, let me stop you there. I let me, I've never done this before. I want to campaign helicopter pilots should be above happy. All right. I'm with you. Yeah. What about Bert? How high does he climb? I don't think you couldn't. I don't, I don't think you can climb above Bert. Because we don't know what happy is business is. If we knew more about happy's business, right? He might be rich as fuck. He might be a NEPA baby for all we know. Like for all we know, he might be a helicopter pilot in a disaster. So that's a good point. Maybe that's how we got to start. Boats a boat. You're about to be anything. Give me a boat. Oh shit. All right. Okay. So those are your top fives. We're done here. Right? All right. Let's get ready. No, no, no, no. Well, if you're on YouTube or your Patreon member, patreon.com slash count the dings, you're not done. We've got the cutting room floor. I mean, what could you forget? Yeah. I didn't even know the cutting room floor was available on YouTube. Oh, it's available on yep. Because we're not cutting this thing. It just goes up as is or you head on over for some exclusive Patreon content, just from an audio perspective. Patreon.com slash count the dings next time we make law. You want to introduce me to Jay?