How The Financial System Controls Governments | Simon Dixon

It's not real capitalism, there's no hard money in it. It's theft of hard money through fake capitalism, through a debt-based Ponzi scheme. People think the problem is the government. You have this perpetual cycle that's guaranteed to completely bankrupt the people, bankrupt the corporation, and bankrupt the government. The financial-industrial complex controls everything. Every Senate member, every Congress member are all controlled by corporate interests. But eventually there's going to be civil unrest when you steal all the assets from all the people. They want everybody to own Bitcoin in custody, but they want to own Bitcoin in self-custody. The things that they want you to do are the opposite of what you should be doing. Bitcoin is still the only shot we got, but that's not a guarantee still. We have to understand the attack vectors. Wall Street can use Bitcoin in order to maintain its power structure. And it will. And it has. And it's too late already. I promise you this isn't getting better this gets worse Mr Simon Dixon welcome to the show man thank you for having me so I think you were on what bitcoin did years and years ago weren't you yeah I think I did one with uh that's right yeah Peter so that's when I was still behind the scenes this is the first time I've actually met you so very nice to meet you yeah you're taller than I thought yeah I get that one a lot um but I know you've been in Bitcoin a very long time, but you've been really blowing up recently with your sort of latest iteration of the things you're talking about. Do you want to start off with just a bit of an introduction, explain who you are? Yeah, sure. So I was part of, before I was in the Bitcoin community, I was in the monetary reform community. And so I used to work in investment banking. I did the full suite of being a market maker on the trading floor, the London Stock Exchange, being a corporate finance, helping companies go public. And also I did stockbroking. So understanding stocks and shares, market moves, pretty much manipulation. And in 2006, I joined the monetary reform community and decided to throw in the corporate at Tao and just go full time teaching about the problems with banks, understanding how money is created and just really diving deep into how fiat currencies are backed by war and violence. At the time, it was quite controversial because the Bank of England hadn't actually released much around money creation papers other than the charters and various other things. um so i went around all the different universities in um across london and i did some in the states as well got chucked out the london school of economics university college of london burke university um because i was doing things right exactly just telling people how banks you know create money every time they issue a loan and at that time it was a bit of a conspiracy theory um and so you know um but then the financial crisis happened uh so uh um my talks got really popular around 2007 2008 um and then started to try and do some work with the uk government in terms of reforms of banking i realized that was a dead end because the government is owned by the banks um and so i started to really understand how the political process worked and so i decided decided um okay rather than try and persuade the government that's owned by the banks to reform the way banking is created um why don't we create a bank how we think a bank should be created and so we came up with this concept of bank to the future at that time we applied for a banking license at the bank of england and we were told that we could not create a full reserve bank. We had to build a bank on top of an existing bank. And we needed 60 million at the Bank of England in order to continue with the application. We recruited the team that built Metro Bank in order to build it with us. And even with all that team and that and they managed to secure a license for the first time in 100 years with the Bank of England. If you wanted to do full reserves and allow people to own their money, allocate how they want their money and have an account with the Bank of England, it was impossible. So that's the same thing that Caitlin Long's been struggling with in the US. Like she wasn't able to get, was it a Fed charter she couldn't get because it was a fully reserved bank? Yeah, so Custodia wanted a Federal Reserve account. They wanted full reserves. They didn't want to hypothecate. I went through the exact same experience in the Bank of England. So why is being a full reserve bank such a threat to the financial system? Why won't they allow that to happen well in a nutshell uh because banks have a monopoly on the creation of fiat currency and it's a ponzi scheme so if you want to you know create a thousand pounds um if you don't have a banking license you go to prison but if you have a banking license then you have the ability to create a digital currency every time you issue a loan and so you create a thousand and then you charge an interest on that. Now, the first transaction was William Patterson with King Charles in 1694 at the Bank of England for 1.2 million pounds. But it came with interest. The only challenge is the money to repay the interest doesn't exist. And so the only way to get the money to repay the interest is to persuade somebody else to take on a loan. And so you have this perpetual cycle that's guaranteed to completely bankrupt the people bankrupt the corporation and bankrupt the government so it's a ponzi from day one it's a ponzi from day one and and that's how the bank of england when it created this model um was created and that was the transition to the federal reserve in 1913 after two attempts to do that so what we're witnessing today is inevitable predictable guaranteed and so because the money doesn't actually exist to repay the loan if you create a full reserve bank then you would have an outflow almost like imagine a stable coin right now which is essentially backed by government debt in full reserves if you allowed for you to exchange your bank deposit which is fractional reserves in the ponzi scheme for full reserves where you essentially own the asset the government debt that backs the stable coin um you'd have a and you'd have a massive outflow of money from the fractional reserve system to the full reserve system um and so that is the issue you you break the banking system if you do full reserve um and so they will not allow you to do full reserves and what they did say in the end they said if you put 60 million at the bank of england um we will give you uh the ability to do full reserves as long as you build it on top of a clearing bank and so if we built it on barclays bank then essentially we would have full reserves we would pay and barclays would be able to fractionally reserve so you don't so you don't fractionally reserve you just give the ability to re-hypothecate to the bank you build on top of so they make all the money on the deposits exactly yeah um so you know that was the compromise and then they actually uh turned that into an innovation in the uk they called it um challenger banks and so we had like zopa from peer-to-peer lending and we had all these different companies create the whole challenger bank revolute all these different companies and that was built upon that original application that we made with the bank of england so i i want to know what it meant to be a monetary reform person pre-bitcoin because there was obviously the end the fed movement in the u.s um was there a end the bank of england movement here um no there was so there was a little meeting that happened every year in Birmingham called the Bromsgrove meeting and it was a bunch of old pensioners and I've got some of the original recordings when I would go and present to them and I remember there were times when there was like the Obama campaign I was telling people about social media and how you can get this message out and there's a bunch of pensioners you know and they see someone that understands technology is like I was I was the youngest person in the community at that time um but yeah we would meet every year and there would be people like mp steve baker used to come um and there would be people that had written books you know um but it was very much you know how do we return to a gold standard yeah um and i would say that actually um the gold standard isn't the solution either um and so we would understand this concept of how to actually print money and inevitably when anyone ever understands this you go back through the times when money was created back by labor various other things you study the valmar republic controversial subject because you realize the forget about all the the controversial history around hitler but he was a monetary reformer and so he arrested the rothschilds closed the central bank um and uh implemented a labor-backed currency and that took um unemployment to zero um it took inflation to zero and it was only when he started printing money to fight for war that it went into the destruction phase um and then it was backed by gold because every time he invaded a country like czechoslovakia the bank for international settlements would change the label on the draw and say this is not czechosovakia's gold this is germany's gold and so you know that was able to elongate the process but it was only when hitler started um printing money for non-productive use um that you uh that you ended up with um you know the on the so when it went to war it was that's when you get in the challenge and then the banks come along they co-op the system and then they lend you the money and so essentially it was how do you print money for productive use and then you end up in things like social banking community banking and you know as long as you can do it interest-free and then what's the model and what are the historical models that's what our conversation looked like and then you'd compare that to gold-backed currencies and the gold standard with fiat money constantly debasing wealth preservation isn't optional that's why I recommend Swan Bitcoin, a team of dedicated Bitcoiners who work with families and businesses to build and secure generational wealth with Bitcoin. 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And Richard Verner was the guy that created the concept of quantitative easing, proved in the white paper that banks create money through the credit creation process. And it wrote a paper stating that as long as money is printed in order to go into the productive economy and you have a network of community banks, then as long as the growth that is generated from that money printing supersedes any interest, and you can also do non-usury based models without interest as well, then that is the optimum way to achieve money that doesn't you know that creates the full employment and also doesn't have the inflationary impact and so Richard Verner created that whole model now interestingly we went in a few different directions the other person was a guy called Ben Dyson who was the founder of Positive Money he worked for me at the time and then created this organization um and he now actually ended up working for the bank of england on their central bank digital currency project and then left in order to work for enbridge for the bank for international settlements and now works on that project of these global central bank digital currencies so we had you know richard verner that was the guy that proved credit creation um then there was uh ben dyson that went down the cbdc route um and then at that point i realized that this bank was never going to be approved um i wanted to demonstrate how monetary reform could work and i became bankrupt so i spent all of my savings my wife backed like backed us we she left her career at barclays she was working i left my career in investment banking uh we were full-time doing this roadshow were presentations. And we were deep in debt, like, you know, because when you work in investment banking, you take on debt in order to meet your environment at the time. And then suddenly you lose your job and you realize, holy shit, I've got a load of debt, no income. I'm trying to fund the business. And you get trapped into, you know, the Silicon Valley raising finance and all that stuff. You almost get sucked into the, you know, what I call the financial industrial complex. um but anyway back to that um there was a i decided that i was going to write a book and so i wrote the first published book in the world to include bitcoin and it was called bank to the future protect your future before governments go bust i wrote that in 2010 when i was in the midst of this um and it came out in 2011 um and halfway through publishing it i got a message from somebody that was part of the positive money community and he messaged me and his name was johnny bitcoin and johnny bitcoin said hey simon um i've moved to this squat in old street and there's a bunch of developers here that are working on this project called bitcoin um and uh i've sold my house and i've put all my money in bitcoin it's the future of money do you want to come check it out let's go johnny bitcoin yeah so i said okay sure i'm i'm writing a book let's see because i was training in the book to find a way it actually predicted central bank digital currencies before that was a term it also went through the concept of technology is going to lead to this social credit system and so you know building your social capital is going to be the commodity of the future um and then it went through how to transition the bank of england and what the world would look like um if you had monetary reform um and we time traveled like back to the future into all the different moments when the bank of england was upgraded to the system we have today and so johnny bitcoin messaged me um and then yeah i came to visit him and met a guy called amir taki i mean i've obviously heard i've never met him here but i've heard lots about him and he was kind of the face for bitcoin at the time yeah um and so uh there was a deliberate tarnishing campaign around bitcoin you know this is like silk road time pre-silk road they wanted to connect everything to drugs and so amir taki was in the squat um and they invited the bbc to the squat um and you know he was like you know what's great about bitcoin you can do money laundering the government doesn't control anything he's a pretty right you know and uh he was kind of the that you know that exactly what the bbc wanted in terms of the the face of bitcoin at the time um but anyway he invited me to the first bitcoin conference in prague um and uh at that time i i spoke at the the conference in prague um and uh the price of bitcoin you know crashed from 30 dollars to three dollars um and then bought a bunch of bitcoin at three dollars at the conference and there was like the the physical bitcoin guys uh they this there was this little hackathon where they hacked together a Bitcoin vending machine, bought a mask bar for one Bitcoin conference. And there were various other people there. Like I met Max Keiser. It was sponsored by Mt. Gox. There was a guy pitching his startup for the PayPal of Bitcoin called Tony Glippi, called BitPay. And what we decided to do from that moment is OK. Right. I was ready to hear the pitch of Bitcoin. I was ready to read the white paper because I was coming in from the perspective of failing to create a bank, not being able to get the license to create a bank. And so I realized, OK, this solves the fundamental problems. This is money you can own. You don't need a bank. You don't need a bank. Money you can spend and a monetary policy that nobody can change. And so I was very receptive to the message, not because I was, OK, this is the future. I was desperate. You know, so I wanted to create I wanted to create this bank. We were broke. you know we were about to go bankrupt um and so this felt like the technology and so we put our money into bitcoin our last bit of credit card went to going to that that conference and then bitcoin performed and just started deciding to invest in the different companies and so we took the concept of bank to the future and we pivoted to uh equity crowdfunding and we We funded many of the major multi-billion dollar unicorns before any venture capitalist would look from Coinbase to Kraken to Bitfinex to Bitstamp, Exodus, Circle. And we just managed to invest and get in the early rounds of all of these different companies. Very cool. So from those early days, you obviously saw Bitcoin as this revolutionary thing. Are you happy with where it is today? I am amazed at where Bitcoin is today. The fact that Bitcoin got this far is a miracle. But throughout the whole journey, you know, Bitcoin has always been under attacks. And so I try to warn people about the latest set of attacks that happen. And people interpret that as, oh, right, that means you're bearish on Bitcoin. No, Bitcoin, you know, it's kind of like, you know, in we've said upon like, you know, people talk about the U.S. Constitution and, you know, this governance document that people respect around the world because it has the separation of executive, Senate and, you know, for law and judicial. Bitcoin has the same type of thing. You have miners, you have nodes and you have open source code. and all three of those are subjected to attack vectors that could be centralized. But as long as all three commit to becoming more and more decentralized, there's moments when each one becomes more centralized. And so we have to warn about those attack vectors before all three become centralized. And so people kind of interpret that as I'm always warning people about all the different attack vectors because I've seen it from the beginning as an investor, as a shareholder in most of the major companies, you know, from when they were all just Bitcoin companies to now crypto scammers and companies will sell the second I can. You know, but they're all going public right now. So I'm able to do that. But yeah, no, Bitcoin is still the only shot we got. It's the most decentralized thing we got. The answer isn't, OK, let's look at another shit coin. Let's look at another hard fork. Let's look at something else. Bitcoin is still the answer. But that's not a guarantee still. And so we have to respect the network. We have to understand the attack vectors. But am I happy with where Bitcoin is today? I'm amazed we ever got this far. And yeah, it's a miracle. So what do you see as the biggest threat to Bitcoin right now? The latest attack vector is centralization via what I call the financial industrial complex. And so in all my background of having been involved in investment banking, trading, investing in venture capital, running a business that never needed funding. So, you know, we did the treasury company. um so you know so i got out of my debt through bitcoin um by making sure that i was saving it and not spending it all um our company was we remained private we never needed silicon valley money we built many many assets we built a bitcoin balance sheet and we never needed to go public and so we avoided all the attack vectors that the financial industrial complex uses in order to co-opt you, which is Silicon Valley, venture capital, private equity, bank loans, investment banking, securitization, financialization, and now tokenization. We managed to avoid all of those attack vectors that get somebody co-opted into just becoming, you know, almost like a collateralized debt obligation for this financial industrial complex. and so from that um i i try to warn people um because i've managed to avoid all of that uh what the biggest risk is and so you know that's that's kind of gets a bit of takes us to the next topic really well yeah because over the last couple of years since etfs launched and then there's obviously the trump campaign and then becoming president and the idea of a strategic bitcoin reserve like wall street getting more involved banks now potentially getting involved in Bitcoin in terms of custody and things like that. There's this sort of narrative that Wall Street can co-opt Bitcoin. And then the kind of firmly held Bitcoin belief is that Bitcoin can be a Trojan horse into the financial system. And it's this incorruptible force. Where do you sit on all that? Wall Street can use Bitcoin in order to maintain its power structure. And it will. And it has. And it's too late already. So to me, people think that Bitcoin takes out all fiat currencies. I think the reason that people come to that conclusion is because they don't understand power dynamics in the world. And I've always tried to express, having contemplated this subject for 25 years with direct experience, people think the problem is the government. The government isn't actually the problem. It's the conclusion I've come to. Remember what I said? I was trying to persuade the government that was owned by the banks to change banking actually it is government that has been completely co-opted by corporate interest people still think there is a political solution and so I find people thinking change the administration go left right go to Trump like it's an absolute waste of time because when you understand the structure of how the world works you realize actually it's corporate large multinational corporate interest why because of things like lobbying and okay so let's take an example so we are on currently the world reserve currency is the dollar so i call this a proof of weapons network i stole it from proof of work and the reason i call it proof of weapons is because most people think of the dollars backed by the military industrial complex. It was. It's not anymore. What the Proof of Weapons Network does is a world reserve currency is not natural. It's not like something the world decides that the dollar is the least inflationary currency and therefore we are one of these dollars. No. Firstly, it was backed by financial cooperation between the Bank of England and the Fed. a change of world order that required wars and then at the end of that became the breton wood system which required institutions to force the world onto a dollar standard that was the imf the world bank and a previous institution the bank for international settlements and so between world war one and world war two you had the bank for international settlements that were set up to manage the reparations of Germany from the First World War And all debts had to be settled in gold and during world war one there were several changes in world order in order to consolidate the world gold um the first was uh wall street um firstly funded world war one you think like um it was england versus germany you know with uh russia and france um it was actually um the the fine the the bank of england which was set up in order to bankrupt the uk government through funding perpetual wars in the gbp ponzi scheme wait when you say it was set up to this what do you mean well the original transaction of the bank of england was to fund um the battle of waterloo between um england and France. And then obviously at the end of that, you had the rise of the Rothschild Empire because they managed to get so much government debt by manipulating the bond markets and saying that, you know, France had won. Everybody started selling down all the UK government debt and the Rothschild family bought it. You got all these legendary stories. But if you look at the start of the Bank of England, you had a government that had virtually no debt. And then they took it to the end of the debt cycle which was world war one and so you eventually bankrupt the uk government people think of the institutions as one like the government now you have a private organization which is now nationalized but the same structure um and that's because of the fed structure and this is where people don't quite get it the bank of england um their job is to roll over the debt-based Ponzi scheme and the most useful mechanism for doing that is the UK government and so if you can fund both sides of wars then you can hedge every bet and you can create this central banking empire that was created to fund wars in a debt-based Ponzi scheme that inevitably predictably and guaranteed bankrupts the government because you have you know the only way to get this debt to pay off the interest that doesn't exist is you get consumer debt you get corporate debt and then the corporate debt can co-op the government and you get government debt um and so you you had this this system that was built through the bank of england and what was the partnership it was the Dutch East India Company partnering with the Bank of England sorry the British East India Company before we had the Dutch the British copied it from the Dutch and but the Bank of England was the one that got it really in check and so what do you do you use government debt you privatize it through the British East India Company and the Bank of England is the one that receives the interest on the debt and is the shareholder in the money creation system and so you have all these banks that create the pound you have the bank of england that buys the government debt you have the reallocation into corporate interest which is the british east india company and then what do they do with the british east india company they invest in the military industrial complex and so they built out the naval fleets and then they do mercantilism and mercantilism is you go to India and you steal all their gold you go to China get them addicted to opium steal all their silver you go to Africa and you destroy their currency um steal all their resources and build a trans Atlantic slave trade to build Britain um and so you take all these different mercantile and what you're essentially doing is you're taking a shit coin funding the war and then exchanging it for the hard asset that you want which is the gold the silver and the hard money and so the british empire was built upon that so there was once you've bankrupted the uk government you know the same banking families that created the first central bank the second central bank in america set about creating the federal reserve which was a partnership between the warburg families the Morgan families, the Rockefeller families and the Rothschild families. And what they did is they, you know, you had the manufacturing base in Germany. You had Rice Bank, which was the German central bank. And in World War One, they set about making major, major changes. The first change was the funding of the Bolshevik revolution, which was replacing the Russian Tsar with the communist Soviet Union. That was funded by Wall Street. And so the Bolsheviks were funded by Wall Street. So you have communism, which led to the Soviet Union. You have the installation of the Central Bank 1910 and then the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, which is the Bank of England debt-based Ponzi scheme to bankrupt the U.S. government. And so this was the same debt cycle that was set about in the US. And also it was the declaration of a Jewish state in Israel. and so what was that the bolsheviks were meant to get all the oil from russia in 1917 but because they didn't get the oil from russia they ended up needing to destabilize the middle east and get the oil from the middle east and so you had the balfour declaration which is where the british government that was bankrupted during world war one would declare this jewish state you know they always weapon the justification for all mercantilism is religion it's not that they're religious it's you know christian crusaders safe home for the jews war on terror you know this is the weaponization of religion it's not about religion um you know and so uh they yeah they said about um the the you know the destabilization of the middle east via Rothschild basically ethnic cleansing and settler colonializing through Israel into the Middle East. So you had the Middle East and then you had the war with Germany. Germany was the major manufacturing base. And so with all of those different operations, we entered and we ended the war in 1918. Then we went through the stock market manipulation, which was the roaring 20s, where we got corporate interests and individuals in debt in U.S. dollars, denominated in U.S. dollars through Wall Street by over leveraging all of the assets, all of the Industrial Revolution assets, all of the funding, excessive bond creation, over leveraging through excessive speculation. and then the Federal Reserve was able to manipulate a pump and dump cycle, crash the market, the 29 crash, accumulate all the assets. I'm missing a lot of history. We could go on forever, like with the 1907 JP Morgans and all that stuff. But you manipulate the goal is accumulation of assets. And so what did you have as we started to enter into? You had the Great Depression. that was the confiscation of all americans gold through executive order in 1933 he said anyone that has gold handed in to the fed and will give you a 20 67 shit coin called a federal reserve um and so confiscated all the gold there um and they needed to escalate to world war ii in order to get Germany's gold. And a lot of the Russian gold ended up disappearing. So if you look at the end of World War II, the US essentially had this manufacturing base. We had a bankrupt UK government. We had the Federal Reserve. And we had a massive population in America with vast access to resources. and the world moves around these resources. And so the transition was set between the Bank of England to the Federal Reserve. The Bank for International Settlements was the ledger for storing, determining what gold was stored at the Bank of England, the Swiss Central Bank and the Federal Reserve. And they could essentially change the ownership because there was no, you know, there was no blockchain of gold at the time. and so through this process the bank for international settlements the governor of the federal reserve was warburg who was also on the board his brother was on the board of rice bank in germany who was also determining where the gold you know the gold would end up and who would own it through the bank for international settlements and what did the bank for international settlements do they later created the european union you know so you got the bank for international settlements the gold is at the bank of england and the fed um you have this who owns the gold mercantilism is the world power you have a manufacturing base which is to take a debt-based ponzi scheme and exchange it for all the gold through war so that everyone ends up with the currency but you end up with the gold um and it basically 70 by the end of world war ii 75 of the world's gold was at the fed or fort knox it was meant to be owned by the american people but it was actually collateralized by the banks and so now you can't audit it right now because it appears on the federal reserve balance sheet and the treasury's balance sheet because there's contracts against that gold that if the banks want it now how did they set up the federal reserve well they learned from the first two experiments where there was assassinations to end it and create it in the first place and essentially you ended up with the fed shareholders it was the same as the bank of england model you know basically the federal reserve could buy government debt the interest on the debt doesn't exist and you it was owned by the member banks so you had these different states and you pretended it was decentralized across these 12 states but who owned them the member banks it was the banks and so you could become a shareholder in the member bank and that gives you a banking license to create the dollar every time you issue a loan and so you had the this massive Ponzi scheme that was taken from England. And then he just said, right, let's change. Let's switch to America. Now let's bankrupt the US government. And then what did they do? They built the military industrial complex and they created this neo-colonial model. And they said, right, Russia, I think we're going to enter into a Cold War. Yeah, we're not going to settle our differences we're not going to align uh we need lots of war and so you entered into the cold war um and you know that led to the creation of nato united nations all the organizations that we have today you had uh the subordination of europe to america which was the marshall plan the marshall plan was take our dollars um and we will rebuild you and then you can be on the side of capitalism fake capitalism because it's a debt-based ponzi scheme it's not real capitalism there's no hard money in it it's theft of hard money through fake capitalism through a debt-based ponzi scheme and so they promised all the european countries you were bankrupted america managed to get through world war one and world war two provide all the weapons but not get bombed um ended up with all the gold because everyone started they started issuing credit notes the gold ended up settling and you built this military industrial complex that needed war to roll over the debt-based Ponzi. And so then what did Wall Street do? They started taking all of the resources of America and turning them into joint stock companies, i.e. public companies. And so you had the birth of this investment banking that were taking all the companies public and they would steal all the oil and they would privatize it and with the oil they would hand it over to private interest and so while countries in the middle east were trying to keep their oil so that they didn't have to tax their people if you go to saudi or any of these gulf countries you don't pay tax the funny thing is people think of well that's not capitalism that's communism no that's an alternative to tax you know they don't pay tax imagine how capitalist you can be when you don't pay any tax, right? And that's what the resources are for. But they frame it into these boxes and say, no, no, that's socialism. No, no, no, that's communism. But the reality is, is that the resources were being used to prop up private corporate interest. And so you actually had socialism for the corporate multinational corporation. You had this push towards globalism, but the peasants, they don't get any socialism. You know, they just get that and they become productized. And so if you can turn the people into debt slaves, then they become the labor force. And that labor force essentially becomes debt slaves for socialism, for the corporate class. And so you had this birth of the military industrial complex in order to force the world onto dollars. you needed the IMF and so they created this neo-colonial mercantile model and the model was you do it all through covert operations you had the formation of the CIA at this time which was a partnership between the Jewish mob the Italian mafia Nazi Germany and America and it was done through MI6 and you had Operation Paperclip and various other things but through this partnership the CIA was pitched as serving the national interest of the country but at the time corporate interest and national interest were pretty aligned you know if you were based in America and you had an American manufacturing base you were kind of representing the interest of America by creating GDP by invading countries bringing back, pushing the demand for dollars, bringing back those dollars into the country, and then they would lend them to the U.S. government, and you create this concept of what we call a dollar milkshake theory, where everyone's, you know, and so, you know, this was the, that was the original model. But as you, the investment banking industry grew, they took all of those resources and companies public. and as they became more and more securitized and financialized they started looking at how do we optimize our revenue well globalization is the way we do it and so suddenly it was like well where's the cheapest labor you know we don't want to employ Americans they're pretty expensive at the moment and we've got them all addicted to shit food they're getting obese through the petrochemical industry we got them addicted to drugs you know we got them addicted to all of these different things and the cia was running all the drug trafficking operations weapons trafficking human trafficking sex trafficking they were funding all their black operations um through allowing all the drugs to come in uh they were creating these ghettos getting people addicted to drugs um and so you had this whole like crack epidemic of the 90s is it this is this is a bit earlier but yeah you had um the all of the original so if you look at massad cia mi6 they've always run the drug trafficking weapons trafficking human trafficking and sex trafficking operations the reason for it is because they need off balance sheet revenue so an example is today like america um when you want to fund an organization like isis or al-qaeda which america does by the way um then you need the oil of syria and you create an off balance oil field, which you can then use in order to fund the training camps so that when you fund these militia groups in order to invade a country, then you can take over their resources. And the IMF was the organization in order to get the world addicted to dollars. The military industrial complex had the CIA underneath it. CIA had all the covert operations. and so they will go around the world and create the best book on this is like operation gladio by paul williams you can see they created these militia groups all around the world these stay-at-home armies they call them terrorists today but they're all funded by intelligence western intelligence um you create these stay-at-home armies that create chaos um and then what you do is you sanction a country so that they're economically starved and then you then like if you look at venezuela right now if you look at the actual trade you've got chevron and exxon that own the oil fields now they sanctioned venezuela so that the venezuelan people can't benefit from the oil but who's buying the oil china so you've got china buying chevron and exxon's oil that they're building refineries and so america wants the gdp because that's chevron and Exxon. These are public companies. China's providing the GDP, buying the oil, but they want to make sure that the Venezuelan people can't get benefit from their own country's resources, because then you can fund a color revolution, which is where you get the people to uprise and then the CIA would start shooting people. And it looks like it's a dictator that's trying to fight back. But the dictator was installed by the CIA in the first place. And so you got all of these covert dictators that would privatize, financialize and securitize the country's resources, they would take then the IMF would come along and say, take our debt, take our dollars. You are borrowing our dollars and you have to do austerity on the people and you have to privatize, financialize and securitize all of your assets. 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So remember I said Bank for International Settlements. The previous empire, the Bank of England, became less relevant. The Federal Reserve became really relevant. And who were the shareholders of the Bank for International Settlements? any central bank that agreed to this neo-liberal quote-unquote debt-based ponzi scheme where your currency will become a weapon for our network and so you print your currency so it's more inflationary and then you pay off your dollar loans and then you lend it back to the u.s government by purchasing bonds which comes with tied contracts to use our corporate our companies which pushes our stock market. And so who is the main shareholder of the Bank for International Settlements? And who's got the most vote is the Federal Reserve. Who's the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve is owned by the banks. The banks get to create the dollar. What are the banks now? Well, the banks are all public companies. So you can buy shares in JP Morgan, HSBC. So who are they? Well, they're public companies. they get to create the dollar they created all the mortgage-backed securities through the investment banks and then what what happened next well we created this index fund industry we created this asset management industry where people said i don't want to figure out what stocks to buy you just buy them all for me i'll get the s&p 500 all right so now who is the s&p 500 well this the 500 largest stocks who controls that well it's an index fund well who's the index fund where's that that might be a cayman island corporation or it might be um and who controls it all right well that's black rock state street and vanguard where do they get their money from all right we're just paying our insurance premiums every month and they get a load of money i'm not buying any stocks i just give them an index fund and they get the money and I'm paying into my pension, which is forced onto me by government mandate if I want a job. All right. That's all going up to BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and the asset managers. And so what else is happening there? Well, so the asset managers own the banks. The banks are creating the fiat currency and they have investment banks. And this is why I call it a financial industrial complex which securitize and financialize every company and what happens if you want to be in the network the proof of weapons network you have to take on corporate debt and you have to privatize and financialize and securitize your company and we're going to buy you and we get a board seat on your company and you're an executive so what is the structure of a company You have the executives. They're the managers. You have the board, which the executives answer to. And the board answers represents the shareholders. So who are the shareholders? Well, the shareholders are the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world, which could be China. It could be Saudi Arabia. It could be Qatar. It could be UAE. It could be BlackRock, State Street or Vanguard. And so the asset managers that are running all of the capital in the world get to subordinate every company. And so if you think about it, people think like, oh, Elon Musk, richest man in the world. No, he was DARPA funded, which is, you know, Pentagon budget. So he's relied on Pentagon budget, manufactured as an entrepreneur in order to be given all of the military industrial complex technology, which he built tesla um and the social credit score and all this other type of stuff now now where do how do you so you create this valuable company what do you mean the social credit score there we'll get into that one that's probably a deviation i'll just try and get through this so we can understand the power structure of this proof of weapons network so through this financialization and securitization you can give people access to quantitative easing loans You can manipulate the market through the derivatives market. You can seed all the entrepreneurs through venture capital in Silicon Valley. You can seed all the universities through MIT funding, all this different stuff. You can then make them public. And when they're public, their share price depends upon a few things. It depends upon money printing. It depends upon index fund, passive inflows of investment and the media. Who owns the media? The Proof of Weapons Network. Who did they install through Operation Mockingbird? The CIA are the talking heads. And so you can control the media is a public company that is a collateralized debt obligation of the banks and financial institutions owned by the asset managers So when you go around this whole circle you realize that the financial industrial complex controls everything And so the military which used to be the power with the deep state i CIA but now they're subordinate to the banks because they're public companies and they require access to capital and funding. And the banks are subordinate to the asset managers. And so where we used to have with the British Empire, the British East India Company, today we have BlackRock is a bit more decentralized you got State Street Vanguard is the private all the old Rothschild money and all that type of stuff BlackRock is the chosen one as it were and what did it do in its operations well firstly it created the most sophisticated data technology and artificial intelligence in the world it's called Aladdin it was used by the Federal Reserve during the 2008 financial crisis to determine which companies BlackRock got to buy and which companies J.P. Morgan got to buy. So it took out Bear Stearns. So it's our AI overlord. Yes, exactly. They were very early in the year. Remember, this is military technology. They get the technology first. America is about privatizing. Europe is about nationalizing and making the government subordinate to the proof of weapons network. so when you see like fake fights between america and eu eu was a project from bis the number one shareholder is the fed the shareholder of the fed is the banks the banks are controlled by the asset managers the military industrial complex underneath it has the deep state the financial industrial complex determines whether you're allowed on the network or not if you want to knock elon off the network you destroy his share price right because you said you get to buy twitter you get some golf money to buy it and you get a loan from us against your stock and if we want to knock your share price down then we can margin call you and we are owned by you you do our policy you need to give the NSA a backdoor which is for corporate interest not government interest and you turn you know you turn all of these tech companies into algorithms that are feeding the military industrial complex that's controlled by the financial industrial complex um and so essentially um it's a it's a the the military became subordinate to the financial industrial complex the latest battle that we're witnessing right now in the proof of weapons network and there's more power structures there's big pharma there's all sorts of stuff but for simplification military industrial complex financial industrial complex you're in charge right now but then the technical industrial complex came along and said we need your money for now but what if we can blackmail you through algorithm what if we control intelligence through algorithm what if we control financial markets through manipulation of algorithms what if money is not that important in the future and it's actually all about control and so now you had this ai social credit score um and with the trump administration you kind of had the this multi-decade transition that we're going through right now he installed the mafia into the trump administration what do you mean you had elon musk so the paypal mafia let's call it um elon musk which is pretending to be the hero while he takes all of that pentagon budget and military technology and builds surveillance through your cars surveillance through x and your social media access to doge department of government efficiency remember you can't pay down the national debt yeah anybody that says you can pay down the national debt is lying to you and so you think elon knew that before yes he knew that of course he knew that um you know he's subordinate to the financial industrial complex no politician is in charge unless they're compromised that's the rule that's what jeffrey epstein was wait before we do epstein yeah because i feel like that's a whole other rabbit hole we go down you make elon sound evil in this do you not evil subordinate you do not rise to power unless you agree to the agenda of the financial industrial combat but so again i know you're saying like when i said who are the they it's the sort of asset managers at the top of this who are they do we know um it changes based upon wealth and so you can buy america in the west if you've got enough money so who really was rules the world sovereign wealth anybody that resisted the central bank if you got the central bank and you privatized your oil and your resources, and now semiconductor chips is an important part of it, if you managed to keep that, then you were able to negotiate with the proof of weapons network. If you submitted to that because you were victimized by war, dictator, sanctions, submitted to government dollar debt, then you became a token, a shit coin for the proof of weapons network and any company that goes public anyone that has silicon valley money anybody that takes on the excessive debt against by collateralizing their financial instruments they are dependent upon the financial industrial complex to survive and so while you have these you know uh you know elon's the example with the social credit score Like, you know, David Sachs is doing the crypto policy. What's he doing? He's stable coins with yield through the Genius Act, you know, doing the whole tokenize everything, real world assets. You know, he's doing that part. One of the other PayPal guys. And he was the third PayPal guy, Peter Till. So Peter Till, he's essentially turned the military industrial complex into cybersecurity and artificial intelligence. With Palantir. Palantir did the technology behind genocide as a service in Gaza, occupation as a service in West Bank, drone integration in Ukraine, closed border, open border in America in order to integrate with ICE, the privatized military, the border deportations, the privatized prisons in El Salvador, the data in the UK that built the pre-crime arrests based upon social media posts, the European Union civil unrest, invasions by weaponizing religion. all of these integrations were done with data that elon secured that has been tokenized and will be financialized through blockchains through david sachs and palantir is the basically the the warfare the cyber security the pre-crime surveillance state that will integrate into these central bank digital currencies and stable coins and tokenize real world assets. You think this is all part of their game plan? Absolutely. The next power structure is the technical industrial complex. The technical industrial complex may not need money because you can access money through data, through blackmail operations. Can I interrupt you for one second? Because I do want to talk about the Epstein thing because you brought him up a little earlier. you were saying that's what Epstein was what do you think he was? a Mossad agent? no Epstein was manufactured from my perspective by the military industrial complex it's not impossible for a single human to have access to those networks without a multi-decade institution he had a global network he was networked into all of the sovereign wealth funds the leaders, the Arab leaders He was networked into the entire Israeli infrastructure. People think that Israel rules the world. Israel is subordinate, just like anyone else. Netanyahu privatized most of Israeli assets for the financial industrial complex. You know, the job of any compromised president is to hand over all assets, not to the people, but to the corporate interest. And so he was connected into Mossad, CIA, MI6. They have their power struggles, but they're kind of one thing. This is how do you create all these covert wars and operations? and the idea is anybody that rises to power once you take that first silicon valley check or go public or that bank loan or that qe money you do not get access to that money unless we have a certain level of compromise on you so what the jeffrey epstein network was is all of the lobby class um all of the financiers all of the tech pros all of the innovation and jeffrey epstein was just the latest one prior to that there was roy cone and child kushner who married into the trump family via jared kushner prior to that you had maya lansky um and so this blackmail operation has just been handed over and probably the next one is peter tills and people like that i don't know i'm elon musk might even be the guy um but you don't net you know this is in order to rise to power in the network in order to mutually guarantee that it that it survives you do not rise unless you are compromised and if we can't compromise you we force compromise and uh the one that they needed to get you know the the one they needed to get rid of was jfk you know because he took on the military industrial complex um so it is a private network that represents military industrial complex subordinate to military is cia massad mi6 five eyes intelligence networks their job is to steal money from the people and hand it over to the uh the corporate interest to rise the stock market so that you can get higher gdp make sure that it gets re-loaned to the US government and then that US government budget through lobby gets reallocated back up to the corporate to prop up the stock market. And so it is the biggest debt-based Ponzi scheme theft. And you either end up in the end, you end up to, you either an asset because you're in debt of the network or you're compromised and you get to rise to the top of the network. And if you, the more you compromise, the higher you get to go. i've got two questions there do you think p diddy was one yes and then more important question why do you know this um i studied declassified cia documents and i read a book a week um most of this is known and understood uh because there's been whistleblowers but people just don't have the time to care um and so because bitcoin gave me freedom uh because um i've been obsessed with the study of money and what props up these world reserve currencies um i just read all the i read the bank charter acts i read the declassified document you can read a book called covert regime change it will go through the last 100 operations of covert regime change um that were all from declassified CIA documents. All of this information is available, but the algorithm probably doesn't give it to you or suppresses it if they don't want you to have it. But you can get this information. And I just follow the money. That's all I do. And so what I've what I because I I gave myself a discipline of going for the last 10 years of going live every week and following the money in Bitcoin and tech, following the money in macro and following the money in geopolitics. And it forced me to follow the money, which is the complete opposite of what politicians are telling you. And so it came to my understanding after all of this. The power is sovereign wealth, those that kept their central bank independent and kept their resources and the proof of weapons network and the entire West. Canada, UK, EU, America, Israel, Australia is subordinate to this, the proof of weapons network negotiating with sovereign wealth. So is this like rise of the BRICS nations and the more sort of multipolar world we're going into a threat to this system? No. Where did BRICS first come from? It was popularized by Goldman Sachs. this is the key thing now the military industrial complex was kind of nationalistic the financial industrial complex was global so they will go wherever returns go so if you're blackrock and you're witnessing witnessing that you've extracted all assets from uk you've you've you've extracted all assets and power from eu you've extracted all assets and power from US, you then take the tactics that you used abroad to destroy the Middle East in forever wars, to subject Africa to theft of all their resources, to take the global south and Asia and you bring them home. And so that's when they started using immigration policy in order to destabilize the region so that they could acquire everything. And if you look at every negotiation right now of privatization of assets you've got black rock state street and vanguard the gulf countries and china acquiring everything and so we are the the the proof of weapons network is not saying i'm america first i'm uk first i'm eu first they're saying how do i manage my portfolio we've birth rates are destroyed people are addicted to drugs uh the governments can't serve the people. People are having uprisings. We had COVID, which was the largest wealth transfer to the technical industrial complex. They're starting to deconstruct everything that propped up the dollar. They're breaking the petrodollar. They're breaking the currency pegs. They're breaking the Japan carry trade. They're breaking the euro dollar. They're putting a commodity bull market. They're trying to centralize as much Bitcoin as possible, brings us into current operations, but they are doing exactly what they did to the Bank of England did to create the Federal Reserve. Now, who is the next handover? What actually turns out that if you look at BlackRock, remember what I said? It's fluid. As power changes, as wealth changes, you get new affiliations. They managed to persuade Saudi Arabia to take a percentage of their oil, Saudi Aramco, and make it public. they only did a little percentage because they know what that means um and they got a board seat on blackrock and so now saudi arabia is important in the network what do they do they started aligning with all the other gulf countries and formed a union to decolonize and de-dollarize now what happened to america america stopped um they they invented fracking and they became energy exporters now they compete with the gulf countries so where's the gulf countries sovereign wealth coming from china so the gulf countries are funded by china because china's built the largest oil reserves in the world because they have the actual manufacturing base and the wheat currency and they're going around and said hey we're going to reverse the imf we're going to do the belt and Road Initiative. And so they said, while America is doing colored revolution, installing dictators, destroying your country, stealing your resources, pretending that they're exporting democracy, we just want you to buy our stuff and we'll allow you to have some of your resources. We'll invest in your factories. Across Mexico is lots of Chinese factories. You know, they allow them to build up their factory, use their labor, keep some of their resources as long as they, you know, send it back to China. China then builds up, you know, the manufacturing base, exports to the world. And they said, we don't we don't we, you know, America's buying 15 percent of our goods. We want you to buy them instead. So Iran, why don't we build you up? Russia, why don't we build you up? Africa, why don't we build you up? Asia, why don't we build it? Look, they're doing it for their own self-interest. But they're reversing the IMF through building infrastructure rather than destroying competition. And everyone then split into blocks because the proof of weapons network is BlackRock's looking at their balance sheet saying, where's the birth rates? Where's the labor? Only Africa and the Middle East are having children. Everyone else is declining. We need AI. we need robotics everywhere else and we need the labor where the resources are. And Goldman Sachs came up with this concept of BRICS. What did they try to do? They tried to co-opt the global south and Asia the same way the Bank for International Settlements co-opted the European Union. They said, why don't you do a single currency? so the ECB was essentially the mechanism for transferring all of Europe's wealth over to America and buying all of its energy which is why the Russia-Ukraine war was not a war between Russia and Ukraine it was a war between the US proof of weapons network and Europe they destroyed the manufacturing base they turned off the nuclear energy they blew up Nord Stream pipeline you think that was the US? of course it was this is the proof of what well it's not the u.s is not sovereign it's controlled by global corporate interest so the u.s stock market you could think about it more of it's the proof of weapons network the government is controlled by the lobby the government does not do policy for the american people the government's job is to create a narrative that doesn't lead to civil unrest of why they're stealing so much money printing so much money and handing it over to the large corporates because every senate member every congress member and through the deep state judicial are all controlled by corporate interest and we're led to believe they just want you to not think they want you to think that our government and this is why people are so frustrated with politics they're like how could you do this why does nothing change why does nothing change because you're looking at the wrong place the politicians are subordinate to corporate interests if you want to vote you don't vote a politician like left right is the same thing conservative labor same thing republican it's just a distraction to give you a new flavor to believe that this is how you make change and it never changes because you vote with your money the only thing that the proof of weapons network cares about is money bleak this is a bleak bleak world that you're picturing here. So where does the technical industrial complex come in? And are they now competing with the financial one? Now, there's a power struggle. So people think of a global cabal when I say something like this. It's actually more decentralized than that. It's a power network that changes based upon wealth. So with the rise of China, you had a completely different wealth class. With the rise of the Middle East, you had Muslim wealth. With the rise of India, you had Hindu wealth, connected wealth. And that's why there's so much demographic change in the West. Why? Because the proof of weapons network is partnering with the Gulf countries, with China. Oh, I forgot the BRICS one. So what you'll notice is that they tried to do the single currency was how you get the whole of Europe under one central bank, one unelected power structure that is completely co-opted by the U.S. proof of weapons network. So if you look at UK right now, Keir Starmer is just trying to find another way of saying how we're defending democracy in Ukraine. What does that mean? It means the Bank of England prints money. There's a justification for why we're not helping our homeless people, why the country is getting worse and worse and worse. They send the billions of dollars over to Ukraine. Ukraine is a proxy for the military industrial complex with Zelensky installed via Color Revolution. And then that goes up to the US stock market. and then what does trump do trump says hey zelensky come to the white house uh and they manufacture a fake argument make it look like we want peace with the us we want peace uh you must do peace with russia and putin but who's who's manufacturing this like are you saying trump's manufacturing this who are trump's backers but so who so someone's telling trump to manufacture this well i don't know exactly how the communication works it normally works through capital flow signaling but if you look at trump who was he who paid for trump to be president pete steel number one was elon musk number two was the bank of new york mellon family number three was miriam adelson which is an israel first policy i remember israel is military industrial complex proxy for us it's a it's a plausible deniability story say it was the jews and when we want to invent when we want to divorce from israel we just blame israel make them out like they're evil meanwhile all the money comes back to the u.s stock market google owns all the companies microsoft owns all the companies lockheed martin general dynamic whenever we want to do something evil that we don't want to be associated you go do the genocide and you get blamed for it america's backed every genocide across the world like every single genocide from the british empire to the american empire has been backed by america but they find do it via proxy so don't think that what's happening in Palestine is unique. This is just America saying, right, the Middle East is powerful now. I don't think we can do a destabilization campaign. Why? Because the financial industrial complex said we need to work with the Gulf countries. The Gulf countries is where we're doing all our deal flow. We also need data centers for AI. NVIDIA needs to sell more chips. They're going to sell them to China. They're going to sell them to the Gulf countries. You know, we need to make up for our lost profits. Let's rage war on Europe. Let's make all of our weapons sales by making sure that Russia is continually feeling that they need to. And what do our leaders do? We're about to go to war. We're about to go to war with Russia. Come on. That's a sales strategy by NATO. NATO is a weapons sales organization for the U.S. military industrial complex. How do you steal money from the British and European people, print it and prop up U.S. GDP? And then you have these arguments where you're like Zelensky, you know, and then what does Zelensky do? He comes over to Keir Starmer and we all start hugging in London and Europe. We're going to start looking after ourself and all the British people. jd vance comes along and said look at the european union you've got no freedom of speech your rainbow fairies your lgbtq your climate change meanwhile they profited from all of that esg was blackrock you know that was destroy europe europe's being sacrificed for american corporate profits because they're exiting the middle east they can't do the forever war model at the moment so they need to make up for lost revenue and that's why they're now turning their attention into venezuela um they the so if you look at america the goal of strategically weakening the dollar is to split the world up into blocks so the financial industrial complex said can we co-opt through brick single currency it didn't work but we co-opted european union through a single currency because a single currency is complete subordination to the proof of weapons network Goldman Sachs tried it. It didn't work. And so they China set up a network where you could have a credit based public banking system owned by PBOC, Iran, Russia, anyone. When they want to buy goods, they just have a credit based system that works outside that works outside the dollar system. And then they all started building their own payment networks outside of SWIFT. So India started building it. Brazil started building it. The Gulf countries started building it. All these payment rails are coming online and they're getting more and more traction. And so you had massive de-dollarization, but in a managed transition because BlackRock wants the dollar for as long as they can have it. But eventually there's going to be civil unrest when you steal all the assets from all the people. And so they needed a technocratic surveillance state in order to manage the civil unrest they're manufacturing. because they want to buy all the assets. They're buying everything. Backstone tried to buy Thames Water. Why? Because they need all these resources for their AI and robotic data centers. So the technical industrial complex is in a bit of a power struggle with the financial industrial complex. Why? Because it's kind of getting stable coins. That's a bit interesting. You know, so the bank lobby went nuts and made sure that it stayed within the Fed. Well, David Sachs even said when the Genius Act passed, he was on all in and he said the reason they didn't allow interest on stable coins is specifically because the banks wouldn't allow it. Absolutely. So that was a bit of a tug of war between, you know, can tech get a bit of power from finance? No, that one didn't work. But you said something really interesting before and I interrupted you. You said the technical industrial complex may not need money. Yes. How does that work? Well, what is the future with this artificial intelligence and this is where it goes to a bit of a wacky conversation where all of our opinions it's not been wacky yet but um in my book i actually wrote about a moneyless world um and if you look at different so you know on podcasts you often see like x cia spills the bean on all of these different nato operations and aliens are coming down and stuff like that there no such thing as x cia you can leave the network you know um elon if he tries to leave the network you know you're either blackmailed you lose your money and then if they need to eliminate you they're charlie turkey yeah you know and so you know you can't leave the network that's the that's the kind of the mafia thing once you're in you're in you're in yes so where does ai take us next so and i think there's probably a good time to pivot to bitcoin after this as well um but the world of artificial intelligence may just be one of those technologies that kind of become self-destructive. And it could break everything. It could completely break everything. You try and put the world on a... So you're breaking... What's the new model? You're breaking the world into multi-polarity. You've got the BRICS countries. You've got the SEO, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. You've got ASEAN, the Asian countries. You've got the GCC. The Gulf countries want to sit between China and America. and they want to they reduce the petrodollar from 100% to 70% and they're managing it down where it's more the petroyuan. So they can sit 50% petroyuan, petrodollar. And then through the price of oil, they can smash the world if they want and they get a very powerful position. And so all the banks and BlackRock is now setting up in real. You know, they're setting up in Saudi Arabia and you're getting this very different change in world order. Israel has to negotiate they're turning Gaza into a token so they can build data centers tokenizing the land after the genocide Tony Blair wrote the plan like I went through the whole thing what they want to build in Gaza is what they want for the rest of the world Elon Musk has his own data center section Elon started releasing $7,000 technocratic homes I used to have a Tesla and the Tesla told me that I can't drive my car anymore. It's just stuck on my drive. So if your car wants to tell you you're not allowed to drive, I'll send you off a cliff. It couldn't do that. But why did yours stop driving? It just stopped driving. I don't know. I still don't know. It's been listening to your podcast. Yeah, I don't know. I get a bit paranoid nowadays. But maybe, just maybe, freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach on the free speech platform might have been a recognition of a new model that model might have been i don't know if censorship works anymore we can't shut them up so why don't we just get them talking and then they can tell us everything they really think and then we can start building all the metadata on everything they really think and then we can turn that into a social credit score we won't give them freedom of reach unless they start saying the things we want them to say then we'll reward their behavior if they say the things they We get more shares, more likes, more reach. And so we can gradually change what they say in order to be rewarded by the algorithm. It's Pavlov's dog. Exactly. And then eventually that will be integrated with the currency. Of course, Elon will have one. That's his network. But again, I've lost my train of thought. My mind is just blowing over here. But I'm conscious of your time. and we've gone on a very long tangent there which started at very interesting tangent but started at blackrock coming into bitcoin yeah um and like taking all that into account if the imf and the world bank see bitcoin as an actual threat presumably they'll do anything they can to co-opt it do you think they can co-opt bitcoin um okay i think it's the most decentralized thing we have and there were multiple operations to co-opt it. Firstly, I do believe that Bitcoin was created by intelligence. I could see that. Yeah. And I think it was open sourced as a breakaway from intelligence. You think this is like NSA or something like that? Yes. I think it was created by Len Sasserman, Hal Finney. And, you know, I've looked back at those early days and all the people that I knew and all the conversations I knew. I think it's completely implausible that intelligence don't know who Satoshi Nakamoto is. And the reason is because it came from the Proof of Weapons Network. And so it was a breakaway open source, just like what did the British Empire do? It created its colony islands and it created its tax havens because the rich people want an exit. OK, so they want everybody to own Bitcoin in custody. but they want to own Bitcoin in self-custody. They want everyone to put their gold in custody, but they want to own the gold custodians so that they control. Okay. So custody becomes the thing. And so I believe that Bitcoin was created as a breakaway from intelligence and it was open sourced. And the construct of Bitcoin means that you have nodes, miners and developers users other parts of the ecosystem and I think they created it as this decentralized network it was a bit of an experiment and I think we got such a level of hash power such a level of node adoption such a level of self custody such a level of wallet adoption um the the reason they did it is most people think why would the nsa create bitcoin or the cia create bitcoin they normally come up with two theories theory one is backdoor we know that's not true anyone that studies the code there's no backdoor like anyone that's been through the block war you know how hard it is to get consensus on this network you know there was every type of when Barry Silbert tried to take over the network by funding all the companies through VCs and then trying to do SegWit2x and having secret meetings in Hong Kong that I was at and funding developers via BitPay and different companies. We've seen it all before. And that's why it doesn't matter if it came out of the NSA. Because open source code, as long as we maintain the integrity of Bitcoin improvement proposals, GitHub, competing implementations. That's why I think Nots versus Core is important. These different things are important. As long as we maintain countries that hate each other mining, like we used to have a centralization of mining in China problem. We now have a centralization of mining in America problem. I'm sure there's still mining going on in China. There is. The data we have is about 21% in China and 40% in America. Now, that is across public companies. Public companies are all co-optable into the proof of weapons network. So they launched strategy. Strategy is their perfect tool for market manipulation of Bitcoin. How do you get as much Bitcoin in a corporate treasury company? You got 650,000 in. How do you then ratchet up the debt instruments so they become subordinate to the corporate debt investors? and then how do you make a scenario where the dividends supersede the revenue the cash in the bank and then you're either forced to raise finance which is raise finance means subordination to the proof of weapons network the important those being blackrock jp morgan various others you then blackmail them to try and get them into the index funds you create massive market manipulation, you eventually get it into the S&P 500 because strategy as a tool to the proof of weapons network is way more useful than making it go down or putting it in chapter 11 because it is a tool to centralize as much Bitcoin as possible. If strategy could, it would centralize 21 million Bitcoin through debt instruments and the debt capital markets and the equity. That's the goal of the company how do i use the equity capital markets and the debt capital markets which is the proof of weapons network to get as much bitcoin in a corporate structure where those from the index funds get the board seat um and uh and you get the passive inflow which means you have debt instruments and equity instruments um they did a brilliant job with strategy um bitcoin etf we know that came from operation choke point 2.0 i was involved in the celsius bankruptcy um that was an israeli operation if you look at some of the hacks that happened there one of them was a company called uh bank or doubt so you put bitcoin in there and then you were mixed with all sorts of shit coins um one of the company was bank or dow the shareholder of bank or dow uh was the niece nephew of Benjamin Netanyahu. Alex Majinsky was ex-IDF. His co-founder, Daniel Leon, he got away. He didn't get in prison. And he's in Israel right now doing an AI startup with the prime minister's office of Israel. His wife was head of loans and VP. And she was the one that was issuing all of the loans. She's now head of social media for propaganda for the IDF. And the custody happened through GK, you know, GK, different types of Israeli intelligence operations. You can look at SBF and FTX. What went away? All of the political campaign financing that all went away. We don't want to look there. Don't look at any of that stuff. Sullivan and Cromwell was on the board. That's the CIA's law firm. you know um sbf was the only one that got a meeting with gary gensler here's the important thing to understand um the fed is for the banks pretending it's for congress and president the government is lobby um they're both owned by banks um so you've got monetary policy fiscal policy and regulations through these blackmail operations same thing so it's completely co-opted as a technocratic orwellian nightmare system in the name of democracy making you think that something's about to change if you go left right and focus on lgbtq or women in sports or things like that so if you think that self-custody is going to be under attack in bitcoin do you think bitcoin wins that fight i do yes um i think the elites want self-custody and so the reason that they allowed the tax haven islands the cayman islands and isle of man is because the rich want them they want bitcoin in self-custody because that's really the only potential regulation that could really hamper bitcoin is the idea of making holding your own bitcoin illegal yeah so when trump said i want to be crypto capital of the world he looked at every single case and said well pardon ross albright honeypot ross albright was a honeypot um the cz bought his pardon yeah because he funneled billions of dollars into the uae qatari funds um but the one case that remains was samurai wallet which was the self custody case the coin join case the privacy case which did start under biden yeah started under biden but they looked through all the cases and said we'll keep that one and he's now in prison i mean he couldn't pardon them before he went to court either could he i don't know the process of what he could go through i just think it's interesting that under the trump administration in the crypto capital of the world uh we've got a crypto nightmare we've got no bitcoin strategic reserves other than confiscation which they stole from the people by the way i want those 117 000 bitcoin back i was a shareholder in bitfinex uh they the doj rules that they belong to bitfinex yeah i'm a shareholder in bitfinex they stole them yeah do you think there's any chance they do get those back um i thought they were definitely getting them back we were we were we were celebrating as shareholders now they're on the bitcoin strategic reserve balance sheet china tried to give back the 127 000 bitcoin that was stolen from the scam in cambodia and america added them to their balance sheet um and so the bitcoin strategic reserve is confiscation the executive order was similar language to what they used in 33 confiscation um i'm not saying they're going to do this why because government's not going to the banks don't want more power to government you know they they would rather in strategy centralization etfs that's what they want they want as much in wall street you know they want as much in the financial industrial complex and they want their vehicle for manipulating the short-term price of bitcoin and then what do they want you to do they want you all to custody with them and they want banks to use it as leverage and they want you to borrow against it so that they can custody it and so the resistance against this is what the elite say for themselves just like they saved the tax haven islands for themselves they save self-custody bitcoin for themselves but you don't think bitcoin will take down this this industrial complex no bitcoin is an exit and a boycott the money the financial industrial complex is already moving on to the next order it's already said we want multi-polarity we're strategically taking down the japan carry trade they got the bank of japan to put rates up they raged war with europe to break the euro dollar um they uh started if you look at since Dollar Liberation Day, which was Trump tariffs, BlackRock tariffs. BlackRock wanted tariffs to reset the world order. And Trump was installed in order to deliver it and give a MAGA narrative with his cult following. But it was what did what did what did tariffs do? It was a tax on the American people. Sorry, the American corporation. If it led to inflation, it would have been a hidden tax on the American people. So the 350 billion that came from small business, that was a covid operation. M&A activity in America went through the roof. All the small businesses went bankrupt up to the global multinational institution. What about the export dependent countries like Vietnam and everyone? They started having bankruptcies. They were acquired. BlackRock, the Gulf countries, China started negotiating all the different ports around the world based upon the export dependent countries. America who used to protect all the seas It's been shrunk into a regional power And China published a trillion dollar trade surplus The highest it's ever been Everyone started negotiating with China And then Trump, what does he do? He said, we're taking on the deep state What does taking on the deep state mean? Deconstructing the deep state operations That propped up the dollar USAID was how they did those color revolutions that's how they did those covert wars you take them away you weaken the dollar and now what happens you say we're going to we're coming after the christians in nigeria when muslims and christians are being killed by boko haram which is funded by intelligence operations and so you pretend you're coming up helping the christians but what are you doing if you're the nigerian leader you're saying all my business is coming from china all my revenue is coming from china america says they're going to come in you you start negotiating eastwards and so trump is an agent of chaos to make it look like white nationalism while all of these demographic changes are happening and the algorithm is fueling jew hatred muslim hatred uh left hatred radical left, radical right, far right dictators. The algorithms are feeding us hate in order to manufacture the civil unrest because they want the surveillance state, the pre-crime agenda, everything they beta tested around the world. Because once you split the world up into blocks, you then have a go at your one world currency. ChatGBT went along and said, hey, Sam Altman, you think this guy created chat gbt this is all pentagon technology google apple steve wozniak used hewlett-packard's technology you think hewlett-packard said yeah go create apple now these are all darpa funded these are all pentagon budgets theft on the american people privatization um and you know you you get to steal the the the budgets the money printing of the debt-based bonzi scheme you reallocate fiat currency into stocks and assets and then you end up with all the hard money at the end of it and that's what they're doing they're uh there and suddenly we get this gold burst suddenly we get this silver burst suddenly we get bitcoin not going along with it while they're trying to centralize as much of it as they can man simon this is a bleak i don't know how to describe it's not bleak unless you believe in western dominance um if you're african you're thinking for the first time in history i'm going to be able to use my resources and i don't get to be um you know we actually get to use our resources if you're asian you're saying this is the rise of the global south if you're middle eastern you're saying wow we're going to have decolonization the forever war is over like china normalized between iran and Saudi Arabia. You know, Trump is pretending that he's trying to raid war on Iran. That 12-day war was a manufactured war. It was complete theater. Complete theater. Everyone got to walk away with what they wanted to walk away with. The IRGC, which by the way, the enemy between Iran and Israel, that's an operation. Like this helps the military industrial complex at the highest levels. You've got to read Operation Gladio. They have these things called strategic tension you manufacture fake enemies and then everybody benefits from the fallout qatar like hamas wasn't even funded by iran they say it's iran back back proxy it was funded by qatar qatar is a u.s ally hamas's office is in doha in qatar the only way to get money into the palestinian banking system is via the israeli banking system if you want to get it via um cash then you have to go via egypt egypt is funded by usa id you know and then you get it in are you saying the most sophisticated intelligence network in the world massad had an illegal occupation where every single device of every single people is monitored and it is a laboratory for surveillance technology that they just accidentally built a tunnel network and over 30 years and israel just didn't know it was there of course and suddenly they got over the border and we're told all of this bullshit that didn't happen about mass sexual violence this was an operation you know to reset the order to destroy palestine rebuild it as a laboratory for what they want to do around the rest of the world now we say it's bleak you just got to know the enemy so the west is being sacrificed certainly is because it's owned by the proof weapons network the rest of the world gets to rise the ones that have the sovereign wealth we get to move into a more rather than dollar dominated hegemon we get currency you know and all the wars are currency wars right now that's not world war three that's a good thing like we're not i genuinely don't believe we're moving to world war three because we're seeing these currency wars instead these are economic wars these are being settled and resolved um but what does the world look like under a multipolar world with multiple currencies hard money and so that's a good thing it's a bitcoin world it's a gold world it's a commodities world um and um we just need to understand the battle stop engaging in the political process so how do you actually like let's leave some with some something positive How do you actually fight this system? Well, the power structure of the existing currency is the Federal Reserve. If you want to boycott the Federal Reserve, buy Bitcoin. If you want to boycott the proof of weapons network, which the current CEO, because they manage about $12 trillion of assets, is BlackRock. If you want to boycott BlackRock, don't buy the Bitcoin ETF. if you want to boycott the banks because they get to create the fiat currency don't borrow against your bitcoin don't mine fiat currency by putting it in custody and borrowing against it you know if you can find a self-custody structure then beat the system fine um what if you want to boycott the military industrial complex technical industrial complex and financial industrial complex don't buy the s&p invest local invest in your local farmers um purchase from local guess what it's not poisoned either you know the the things that they want you to do are the opposite of what you should be doing you should be eating good food you know they even put you in this soya psyop vegan thing eat fresh meat from farmers you know purchase from local supply chains uh build your own communities because in a world where the government is being asset stripped in the west which it is this isn't getting better i promise you this isn't getting better this gets worse for the west you don't get to rage wars around the world rape pillage destroy and not have that come home in the end you know and that's the reality so people then decide where they want to live and i think it should all be about safety where you can self-custody and the rich want that and the good thing is is that um bitcoin generated wealth unfortunately it's not very distributed um so doing podcasts like this get as many people to self-custody that's why i'm still here i could have stopped a long time ago you know bitcoin gave me everything i wanted i'm I've already put my plan together 15 years ago, you know, 10 years ago. Bitcoin gave me what I wanted in 2015, and I prepared this a long time ago. But it's going to be the Bitcoiners, the hard asset people. They're the next elites. And how do you control politics by being rich? So that's it. For me, boycott the system. Boycott is the ultimate thing. you vote with your money not with your politicians don't don't vote don't don't even engage in politics don't touch it they do not control everything they are subordinate to financial interest if you want to change a company coordinate a share price uh coordinated action you know starbucks had to get rid of their ceo because the malaysian people stopped shopping at Starbucks. It impacted the share price 10% and they had to stop funding Israeli settlements. You know, boycott is the thing. And the ultimate boycott is Bitcoin and self-custody. And fortunately, if you just own more Bitcoin each month and you commit to that for a minimum of four years, which is the same thing I've been saying since $3, every single person in the world that's done that has been in a significantly better financial position they beat jp morgan they beat jamie diamond they beat the fund managers they beat larry fink they beat peter till they beat all of them you know in terms of if you were just putting that in the s&p 500 yeah so that's it it's an easy playbook you just gotta follow it yeah well i'm glad you're still here and this has been a trip we should probably do this again at some point but um i've really enjoyed that. Danny, thank you very much. And yeah, I think we got distracted a lot, but it is in the end a Bitcoin story. But I actually think if you really understand Bitcoin, probably 95% of your time is understanding things that aren't Bitcoin. Totally. And there was some distractions in there, but they were good distractions. We went down some interesting rabbit holes there. So Simon, thank you, man. I really appreciate you coming to do this. And where do you want anyone to go who's listening to this um so yeah i i managed to sell off my business to coinbase i sold off as many of my share holdings because the companies go public i still got like about 100 of them from this journey but all of the bitcoin companies ended up shitcoin companies um and uh you know what what i tend to do as a discipline um i go live on youtube simon dixon and I do three hours, one hour this week in Bitcoin and tech and everything that happened this week, one hour Bitcoin this week in macro and one hour this week in geopolitics. And I do it where I completely ignore everything that's in the media and just follow the financial flows to get a completely different story. And I publish in real time on X as a discipline. So at SimonDixonTwit. And if I get taken down, I set up my own server and LLM structure and decentralized network on simondixon.com. Very cool. Well, Simon, this has been great. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Thank you.