First Time? No. Not Our First Time.

You know the next round, by the way, in Buffalo, there would be the combine. If Montreal wins, Grand Prix. Oh, that's right. You're going to be staying in a hotel in Windsor for those games in Montreal. That's right. We've got you in the suburb. Oh, yes. Which suburb? The suburb of Windsor. Like Nova Scotia or Ontario? Oh, it's Ontario. Welcome to 32 Thoughts the Podcast, presented by your Canadian Toyota dealers and the 2026 Tacoma. Get yours before red tag days are over. Another Stanley Cup playoff edition for you. Dom, Elliot, and Kyle, the gang is all here. Thought line is back this episode. You'll hear at the end of the podcast, a conversation with Elliot, Josh Stone of the Sabres, and his father Shane. But first, before we get to all of that, Fridge, one game on the calendar on Thursday night. And I was kind of thinking about that one cutaway clip from Family Guy when Peter goes skydiving. First time? Yeah, you? No, no, not my first time. I wonder if that's a conversation you'd be had between the senators and the Flyers right now. Seven straight wins to open the Stanley Cup playoffs for the Carolina Hurricanes. And I don't think any of us during the regular season were looking at the Metro Division as a juggernaut per se, but it had been clear, almost wire to wire, that the Hurricanes stood above the rest through 82 games. That hasn't changed through the playoffs. You cannot pick your opponents, but the Hurricanes have taken care of their own business on the verge of a second consecutive sweep to begin their playoff run. It's kind of wild how, in theory, Carolina could be through to the Stanley Cup semifinals on Saturday, and Montreal and Buffalo might only be two games in. Yes, they're eventual opponent, one of them. Just bananas. By the way, there's another juggernaut this round, Kyle. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I want to read you a text I got that I woke up to on Thursday morning. It said, Strollness legit might take your job. He should quit now and transition to the panel. Did that come from Kevin? No, it did not, but it certainly could have. It came from a retired player who's now in a management position. I woke up to that text on Thursday morning here in Buffalo. No, Ryan signed off after the game. He did a great job. Fantastic. No surprise. Anybody who knows him, no surprise. Anybody who knows him, no surprise that he was as good as he was. That short-handed goal, Chad Field, what a backbreaker, Kyle. What a backbreaker. That was where the game was in the balance, and was no longer after that moment in my mind. I agree. One-one game. The Flyers penalty kill one of the worst all year. I think it's something like 3 for 30 in the playoffs. The true Achilles heel of the team. To give up that goal at that time was just a killer. You know what? Short-handed. Yes. Absolute killer. Absolute killer. You mentioned Ottawa first time. No, not my first time. It's almost the exact same series. I never think this is about lack of effort. I thought Ottawa competed hard. I thought Philadelphia was competing hard. Just in every game, especially with Anderson continuing to be an absolute wall back there, Carolina just always finds a way to be a little bit better. Who makes the big play at the big time? Chad Field. It's been like that for Carolina all the way through. They just, they bend, but they don't break. They continue doing what they do. And this was another example of it on Thursday night in game number three. And it's a Herculean task for Philadelphia. You know, one of the things I wonder about the Flyers is this whole league right now is going to have Cap room. And I look at Philly and I see a lot of guys who really improved this year. Drysdale really improved this year. Zegrus really improved this year. The Mishkov thing, that's a story for another day. You know, we'll deal with that when and if their season ends and we'll talk about that. But one of the things the league did this week, Kyle, was they officially announced what the Players Association, the payroll range for next year. And we know that the salary cap is going to be 104 million. And all these fans are saying, oh, our team is going to have this much. And everybody's talking about how they have $11 billion in cap space. There's not enough players to spend it on, right? Some of these fans are going to be disappointed. And I'm not convinced that all of these teams are going to want to go to the cap. And especially since I don't think everyone's going to have players that are going to have access to get the kind of players that you're going to want to get to really jump up there. Like I look at Philly, I see a really hard, competitive workman like Teen. They need one more game breaker in the worst way. You can really see it, especially since Mishkov and again, he didn't play a ton late in that game. His minutes, what did you play? Nine minutes? Something like that. So, you know, there's obviously going to be a question here. But I look at the Flyers and I say, boy, Marton looks like he's a hell of a player. That looks like a 500 level home run. They need a game breaker. And that to me, like I think Ottawa has game breakers. Carolina just beat them. They just beat them. I think Philly has a lot of guys who play hard. I don't know how many true game breakers they have. That's the one and those are the hardest guys to find. I mean, they may have one in Marton. Yeah, it's interesting. Maybe he could be. I just watched them and I said they need one. And the easiest way to solve your problem is internal. And maybe Mishkov will turn out to be that guy. But I watched them against Carolina and they might lose anyway, but they just need one more game breaker. They're competing their heads off. I never knocked the effort. They need one more game breaker there. One more. And it's funny to say that, you know, as they're struggling to find some results against Carolina, if you look at, you know, the last two times that the Hurricanes have reached the third round and both times come up short against Florida, haven't you kind of felt the same way about them in those series? Like needed another big time game breaker offensively. I don't know. Like they went out and got E-Lers this summer and he scores again on Thursday. So like they've, you know, they made the trade for Gensel a couple of years ago, tried to re-sign them. It didn't work out there. But they've tried to change that a little bit while not losing who they are as a team. But, you know, it's just, you get later and later in the playoffs. It is a great test of where your team really does stack up against the best, you know, because I do understand that, yeah, sometimes the top guys, they cancel each other out and can some, someone from lower in your lineup be the one to make a difference at a critical moment. But really your highest paid guys, the ones in the highest leverage situations, can they look across at their counterparts on the other side and go, I'm beating you tonight. And that can be a true driver of things. And Philadelphia is still going through their development in that sense. To not take anything away from how much of a success, you know, this is all been. So, and I also felt too, I mean, geez, nick up a couple of posts early on, you know, behind Frederick Anderson, is it a little different if it's a half inch one way or the other, but I suppose it's the old Grand Fuhr line. That's all I gave you if you're Anderson, but they did have chances early. It was not like it was a quiet game on that front for them. And then, yeah, the short-handed goal, 11 seconds into the power play, that can't happen. See, I think even if Philly scores on those chances, Carolina approved in game two, they fell behind two nothing, five minutes in, they still came back and they won the game. Like Carolina is like a steamroller right now. Even when things go badly, they don't break down, they don't give up, they continue to just come at you. And, you know, they're a machine. They're just an absolute machine. It was interesting your Campbell River buddy got the penalty. Yeah, he sure did. See, I almost wonder if some kind of warning went out because, like we said on the last pod, I heard the league was unhappy about Quenville's reaction, that missed icing in game one, which I think is crazy. Like he, in that moment, I don't know how anybody could expect a coach not to react in that way. But there is something about Brindamore that really drives the league crazy sometimes. He is definitely, it's funny, you know, all the coaches, they kind of say, okay, they know when everybody, the league is getting mad when Brindamore starts getting hammered with stuff because he's always the guy they go to first. Oh, easy target. So when Brindamore gets that penalty, that's a sign to all the other coaches that the league's had enough. And again, speaks to the respect that he still has of that group, because that put him, what, down five on three briefly and they went out and killed the penalty for him. Yeah, they didn't let that be a turning point in the game. So, second series in a row, I hit from Taylor Hall as Spark Debate, this one on Travis Sanheim initially called a major, withdrawn to two. What was your view on it? Because I've kind of gone back and forth. Like there's one replay that tells a story that would support Taylor Hall's argument, but that was, it was a violent collision, no doubt. Yeah, it was. The thing is Sanheim's falling, right? And Kyle, one of the rules is, does the person who get hit, does their body materially change position and Sanheim's does. Now, you can make the argument if you want that Hall should have pulled up. I think these guys are going hard. And it's hard to say just pull up when you see that happen. I didn't have a problem with the minor penalty. But I knew once I saw that Sanheim was falling, that there was a good chance the major was going to be taken away. Yeah, the one replay where, you know, if a guy and, you know, Kevin Baxom makes a great point on the intermission, like there's no sense trying to crawl into Taylor Hall's mind there and parse what he may be thinking in the moment. And of course, replay really doesn't do it justice, because it all happens much faster than that. But you could see like where a player may be really trying to finish a hit and it's the forearm going across. But that was not the case. Like that was his two hands coming out, trying to avoid Sanheim's head and brace himself up against the boards to try to minimize it a little bit. I think that, you know, the two minutes was the right call there. But, you know, I can appreciate the sensitivity from the Flyer standpoint, too. It's just been a frustrating series for them all around. And you saw in the last couple of minutes when things got a little ugly. So it told you everything you needed to know. I'll say this, the Flyers play hard, but Carolina, they're just on a run right now. It's going to take a lot to stop them. A lot in the East. A lot. And the 85 Oilers, and I believe that Oilers team will come up a little later on in the podcast, too. Stay tuned for that. But they were the last team to start a playoff, 8-0. Now, that was back when the first round was a best of five, not a best of seven. I believe these hurricanes, trying to be the first to go 4-0 sweep, 4-0 sweep to begin the Stanley Cup playoffs. And they'll have a chance to do that on Saturday in Philadelphia. Okay. So just one game on Thursday. We'll get to the other series later on in the show after the thought line. For now, let's get to the final flop, which is presented by your Canadian Toyota Dealers. So Elliott, of course, the Toronto Maple Leafs have been in the headlines this week with Chica and Sandin being hired. They win the draft lottery. Now, as Chica alluded to in his introductory press conference, the meeting with head coach Craig Barube. Sounds like that's coming this weekend. Yeah. So that's, I'm not sure if it's going to be this weekend or it's going to be next week, but it's coming soon. There's no question about that. And it might be not just like a one day thing or a one hour thing. It sounds like there's a lot to talk about. I don't want to, I know there's been a lot of handicapping this. I think the one thing is that I remember when John Ferguson got the leaf job, he was asked about Doug Gilmore. Doug Gilmore had been on the roster and he was asked, are you going to bring back Gilmore? And he said, no, I don't think we're going to do that. And the first day headlines were Ferguson were not bringing back Gilmore. And it was just bad. Like it was a really tough way for Fergie to start as Toronto tenure. And I just think that there was no way Chica or Sandin or even Pally were going to start this off by disrespecting Barube in any way until they'd really had a chance to have a meeting with them. Now, I've had some conversations with some of the people who had interviews and they said that the leaves were very respectful to Barube, but they didn't really take a position on should he be back. So Sandin and Chica clearly have an opportunity here to decide what they want to do. It was clear that Pally liked Barube, but he didn't say you have to keep him. So I don't want to handicap this one because I think these guys bent over backward. So it was not to tip their hand before they really had a chance to talk to them. I think this thing, I mean, the data, we're all talking about data centric here, the data Kyle said that the Maple Leafs were a very poor team last year. But I think they're going to give Barube an opportunity to talk about why he felt that was, how he felt he can fix it, and then we'll see how the positions align. So I'm not giving a prediction. I want to wait to see a little bit more about how I hear this meeting goes. And then at some point, after they meet with Barube, I expect them to start discussing or reaching out to Austin Matthews about, let's have some more serious conversations about what you're thinking. I had heard kind of over the last week or two that Matthews might decide to wait until around July, see what the Leafs do with the draft or free agency before making a decision. But if you're the Maple Leafs and the new regime, it makes no sense to wait that long to get an idea of what he's thinking. You might as well start as quickly as possible. Look, they had a big lottery win this week. You know, they're probably going to want to hear what, even though he's probably not seen much of the players, they kind of know the generalities, what position they play, what skill set they are, what the team needs. And I'm sure they'll give him an idea of what that all means and what he might prefer. So I think you're going to see some conversations over the next couple of weeks that could shape some of the teams. Now, one other thing I heard that doesn't necessarily tie into the Maple Leafs, but could is, you know, obviously Toronto hasn't made any other changes to their front office. We'll see what they decide to do. They said they were going to go in with an open mind. I had heard there was a chance and this is always dicey because when Kyle Dubas left Toronto, he was allowed to take Jason Spezza with him. And then the Maple Leafs basically said, we're not letting you take a whole bunch of guys with you from Toronto to Pittsburgh. I'm not sure Spezza was the only one or there was one more, but there was a limit. The Maple Leafs said, if you want to take one or two, you can't take like five. Now, Florida, Sonny Maddage is left there to go to New Jersey and he and he let go of a couple of people with the Devils. One of the people I'm curious to see if Meadow will try to add is Brian McCabe. Brian McCabe, the former Maple Leaf defenseman has a really good reputation for player development. Mackenzie Wieger is one of the guys that has credited McCabe in the past for really helping him become the player he's become. But I've also kind of wondered if for any reason, if Toronto makes any changes, if Sandin would vouch for him too in a player development role. So I'm curious about that because I heard there could be some, depending on what Metta's allowed to do, I heard McCabe could be on his radar. The other guy I heard it could be on Sonny Meadow's radar is a guy by the name of Braden Birch. Now Birch is his official position as director of hockey operations and salary cap management. He played hockey. He was drafted actually by the Blackhawks in 2008 and then he went overseas. He's kind of been around hockey all his life. And when we were kind of talking to Kyle about how some of these teams felt that some of the people they were interviewing were too siloed and didn't really have a lot of experience in a number of different areas. One of the future candidates, because I don't think he's ready yet, that a few people reached out to me about was Birch. And they wonder if he's going to end up being Sonny Meadow's right-hand guy with the Devils. So just a couple of names I wanted to point out there. That's good. And it seems like, you know, though I'm sure Bill Zeta was fearing someday this day would come. It's kind of arriving now where you have enough success, the vultures start circling going, all right, who can we pry away? And there was the tip of the iceberg of Madagascar, New Jersey, and now no more names being bandied about here for possible promotions and new opportunities elsewhere after a great run in Florida for a number of names. Interesting. Yeah, Ford's got a big front office. They've got a lot of people there. They still have Roberto Longo. They still have Paul Kruppelka. They still have Paul Fenton. They still have Rick Dudley. They still have Brett Peterson. Zito's got a big, big front office there. But someone pointed out the McCabe thing to me and I thought that was really interesting. Absolutely. Especially now with the Sundeen factor, Toronto becoming an option in a way that maybe hadn't been thought about before. All right, we'll keep an eye out for that there. So Toronto continuing their process. Vancouver, are we getting close here in terms of when they're going to make a decision? Do you have a new read? Evan Gold is a name that was out there when the Toronto search was going on and now it's surfacing out in Vancouver. What's the latest with the Canucks? Well, Providence got knocked out of the AHL playoffs on Thursday night after a tremendous regular season. So Evan Gold, who is definitely on their radar and I believe was in there this week to be interviewed, he's done his responsibilities. The only other thing I'm still waiting to figure out here is what they're doing with Scott White. Are they waiting to interview him in person? I don't have clarity on what they asked for permission to speak to him. That's for sure. But I don't know exactly what they decided to do in terms of do they bring them there or do they just do it by Zoom? How are they handling it? That's the one thing I'm not sure of as we record this pod. I'm still waiting for clarity on what they're doing with him. But Gold is, I mean, I heard all the noise in Vancouver today. I don't have reason to believe anybody's wrong. I believe he was there this week and also his team is now out. So if it is going to heat up around him, it's really going to start to heat up around him now. But I'm still waiting for clarity on White. Is Ryan Johnson still in the mix? He's still in the mix, but I don't know what to make of this. If they're going to hire Evan Gold, who has a really bright reputation, it would seem that Johnson's really being passed over. The whole thing is a little bit strange to me. They extended his contract. They said, you're here and you're not going anywhere else. And now if it is Evan Gold, they're basically passing them over for somebody with a similar skill set. So we'll see. But if that was the case, it wouldn't be good for Johnson. No. And just another strange handling of a situation in Vancouver. Yeah, that's a bizarre one. The only thing I would just say, Kyle, is that I hope that they wouldn't pass over him simply because he's tied to the regime that they're starting to move out. I don't ever think that's a good reason. If you don't think the guy can do the job, that's one thing. But I don't like the idea of, okay, he was with Rutherford. He was with Alvin. You know, Alvin's out. Rutherford is moving to the advisory role. We just want to make the fresh change. I don't agree with that. I would just wonder why it's gone from, boy, we think super highly of this person a year ago to this. It is a little unusual. No question. Is there anything new on Nashville while we're here? Yeah, when it comes to Nashville, Kyle, another unusual search. Really? Yeah, we've been saying that a lot. Yes. It's kind of an interesting time that we've talked about. Like one cohort of people is kind of being phased out. And I don't mean to pick on him specifically, but I'll use it as an example of that group of people. Like Mark Bergervin, for example, I would have thought that Bergervin would be a candidate in a couple more of these situations. But him and his generation or cohort or group of people, they're not really serious contenders for these jobs right now. And they're looking at the next generation, Nashville and others. There's nothing wrong with that. It's fine. It's never wrong to search for fresh ideas. And I think they've interviewed a number of people and some of these teams have interviewed a number of people that they really think are up and coming, but aren't convinced they're ready yet. Or in some cases, they're really good at one thing, maybe two things, but they've been siloed and not enough things that you need to run a team. And so I think Toronto felt that. I think Vancouver and some of the reports out in Vancouver, Kyle, that they are still deciding if they're going to hire one or two people, which would seem to indicate that they feel that way a little bit too. Nashville, I think, prefers to hire one person. And they made it very clear they want somebody who either ran an NHL or an HL team for at least a year. So that matters for them too. But that's what I think. That I still wonder if Nashville is waiting to speak to somebody who either just finished competing or is now competing, because it doesn't exactly make sense what's going on there. But I do think that all these teams, New Jersey, New Sonny Metta, they're like, we're in with him. But I think a number of these other teams are like, oh, these people are pretty good we've spoken to. But maybe we'd want them to be proficient in a tiny bit more. And I definitely think that's been a thing. And I guess when you look back now, Elliott, I mean, and it's not the same in every case, but for a long while, as you alluded to, there was a pool of options that many different teams continued to pick from as their general manager title holder evolved over time. And you think about within that time period, how much the league, the job, the scope of the organization, the value of the franchise changed, and all the different things that you're responsible for as a general manager. So you continue to hire the same type of person. Meanwhile, now you've spanned out your executive team and you've got people in that are you're doing salary cap stuff, you're doing contract negotiation stuff. And now you want to look for the next wave, as you say. But the job, the role as general manager has changed so much. And yeah, it's almost like you're caught in between of trying to find the next guy, but or woman. And they don't have the same type of experience because so many of them have been just in on one track minds in terms of their role. It's an interesting one, where we're at now. It's definitely a thing. You know, the next round, by the way, in Buffalo, there would be the combine in Montreal wins, Grand Prix. Oh, that's right. You're going to be staying in a hotel in Windsor for those games in Montreal. That's right. That's right. We've got you in the suburb. Yes. Oh, yes. Which suburb? The suburb of Windsor? Like Nova Scotia or Ontario? Oh, it's Ontario. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be being billeted by the New Hook family, Newfoundland. Yeah. That is, ah, test the season. What are you going to do? So, right, teams are trying to find that next wave, that next new age general manager. And naturally, that pursuit is always going on in coaching too. Are you hearing any names that may, whether they're working in the NHL or otherwise, that their stock could be rising here? Just that, you know, we've talked a little bit about Mani Melhotra and we've talked a little bit about Misha Donskov. Someone else just mentioned to me, and right now, there's nothing open, right, Kyle? Yeah. But somebody else mentioned to me that if someone's looking for kind of a fresh-ish face, fresh-ish face, easy for me to say, and they mentioned Alex Tangay from Detroit. That was a name that got popped into my head. Just keep an eye on him. And I said, all right, I will keep an eye. All right. Good stuff. That was the final thought presented by your Canadian Toyota dealers. We'll take our first break, come back with a thought line and more on the Stanley Cup playoffs and our interview segments still to come. On 32 Thoughts, the podcast. It continues after this. Okay, here we go. This is the segment we like to call the Thought Line, Elliott. I've witnessed you be a very busy and popular man already here in Buffalo. Surely, you have some shoutouts or hellos you would like to make before we go any further. Yes. First, there were some complaints about the wing story. And what exactly about the wing story? No, including one individual who is a national hockey league employee who wrote, ordering honey garlic wings in Buffalo is a crime. Like asking for ranch instead of blue cheese. I'm surprised you got out alive. Well, and let me just say this isn't the only person who complained about the honey garlic. Even Brian Gianta talking to you brought up the honey garlic. Yes, that's actually yes. He loyalist. If I can make any situation worse for the pure entertainment of the pod, I am happy to do so. So let me just say to this individual and everyone else, I did ask for ranch instead of blue cheese. I am not a blue cheese guy. I don't like it. Now I can't rip you for that because I do the same. I don't order honey garlic, but I do ask for ranch. Okay, I'll be going out for wings again, I believe, and I will order appropriately next time. Not my greatest night, I will say. I do have some shoutouts from some people I met. I met a retired transit police officer. He actually retired just last month. His name was Douglas, really nice guy. We were chatting a little bit. He just retired as I mentioned. He bought his dream car. He showed it to me. He had it parked out front of the place where I met him. Really nice guy. Also, there was a Josh, Norm, Rosa, I think his name was. I believe Kyle, you and I walked into him on the street, walking over to the Canadians availability the day of game one. Yes. And there was also a Don, a Ryan, and I couldn't remember the name of the other person, unfortunately. And I also wanted to thank Kelly and Ashley who let me borrow their beer saver to go on air with Dave post game in game number one. That was the one that Sportsnet used in their social. They said, you can't keep it. Like they were legitimately concerned. I was going to attempt to steal it, and I may have. Yeah, but they allowed me to use it as a prop. Very valid concern. But lots of great people in Buffalo, not surprisingly. Now the image I saw the saber was empty at the start of your hit was it at least partially full? Or was it empty the whole time? No, it was empty. Kelly and Ashley had made sure that there was nothing left to waste for their game enjoyment. Well done. I feel I need to update the listeners on the ongoing Fridge Circus here in Buffalo because it did not stop at the wing sauce, the honey garlic wing sauce all over himself a mere hours upon arrival in the city. So Wednesday morning, him and I, Elliot, we drive over to the rink for the skate and then we drive back to the hotel afterwards. And then when I go to leave for the rink later in the afternoon, I start driving and realize you left your credential in the car. So now I've got to go drop that off at security to make sure you can still get into the building to work that night. Then I realize, because my position is right next to where you and Dave are, we both realize that you had a hole in your suit jacket. Thankfully, I don't think it came across on camera, but only further added to the disaster makeup that Elliot has been portraying ever since crossing the border at Niagara Falls. And then the real topper was Thursday morning. Elliot, I could only describe, was in the state of like the dad from 50 Below Zero, the Robert Munch book. He comes walking down for breakfast. I'm sitting at a table with Rick Houston, one of our camera operators here covering the series. He says, good morning to us walks past. There's a table two down with a gentleman sitting there. And Elliot thinks it was David Amber. All I'm going to say is this man could not have looked any less like David Amber. And I watched it all. I saw you like lean in and then you were like, Oh, sorry about that. And I just was like, did he, did he think that was Dave? It was an outstanding start to the day. I don't know what was going on with me on Wednesday morning. I really don't. That's so good. Anyway, I literally looked, I literally walked by the guy's like, Oh, that's Dave. And I went and I turned in and I was like, Oh, I'm sorry. He looks at me. I'm like, Oh, sir, sorry. I thought you were someone else. Oh, God. That was, that was a great start. All I will say in my defense is that for the suit with the holes in it, I don't know what happened there. I, I put it on and I noticed it. I don't know if moths had gotten to it or what had happened, but it's a real shame because that's a beautiful suit. Yes, it is. And I hope you can still find ways to carry on with the holes or maybe there's a patch job that they can do back at HQ because it is a beauty. Okay. Oh, by the way, before we do this, you gave my credential to a young man who working for that, the saver security desk. I think his name was Liam. Oh, yeah. And what did you tell him to say to me? Well, first I said act like you have no idea what he's talking about when he asked for the credential. But when I explain the situation, they're like, Oh, that's stank freedman again. For God is credential. I said, Yes, I said, you should, you should refer to him as that. And did they? Yes. And there's been a little bit of it. There have been about, I would say probably about 10 social media posts referring to me as stank, although Liam was the only one who did it in person. Nice. Well done. So you got some traction on this, Kyle. Nice job. Okay. I'm still laughing at getting Dave confused for that other guy. It is true. I don't know what planet I was on on Thursday morning. My POV was incredible watching that unfold. It was so good. Okay. Got a couple of submissions here to get to today. And we begin with Shane and Saskatoon. If all the information is correct on the Maple Leafs, being able to choose who gets the 2027 top 10 unprotected pick between the Flyers and the Bruins, could this actually be a good thing for Toronto? For example, say it's top three overall, could they use that as leverage and create a bidding war between Boston and Philly to give up an asset to ensure the Leafs choose them? I feel like they could squeeze a prospect a second, a late first out of one of these teams. So in theory, they could trade the pick again. Am I crazy? You're not crazy, Shane. And that's why there is some, let's just say there's a tug of war going on here. Philadelphia has appealed the current interpretation. I don't even know if I would say appeal is the proper word in a legal sense because I don't know if there's anything formal here, but Philadelphia has asked the league for clarification on this to avoid that exact scenario. Basically, the easiest way to say this is that the league is looking into it. And I have sent a note into the league and I have not received an answer. And my history with the NHL is that if they're ready to say something, they will respond. And if they are not ready to say anything, they won't respond. And it sounds like they're still working their way through this. Now, the Flyers have basically asked that they be awarded the 2027 pick. But at this point in time, there is still no absolute clarity. So we're kind of waiting for the league to decide on what's going to happen here. They have acknowledged that there is a conversation going on. They have acknowledged that the Flyers have asked for a certain interpretation. But at this point in time, it's not set. Okay. Good question, Shane. And that story is not over yet. No, it's not. Okay. Ben in New York City. Hi, Kyle and Elliot. Currently watching Game 1 between the Sabres and Habs here in the States on TNT with Brendan Burke on the call. I see Darren Pang is between the benches with Shane Niety up top. But isn't the game also broadcast in Canada? How does the NHL decide which network or country gets to have an analyst in that tight space between the benches? Is it based on which nation is the host city? So in this case, in Buffalo, Pangor would get the call, but in Montreal would Craig Simpson get that spot. So in theory, yes. Where the game is held, either in the United States in Canada, first right of refusal goes to either the American National Broadcaster or the Canadian one. So in this case here in Buffalo, TNT, which was doing the Game 1 on Wednesday night, they had first priority to say, do we want to put a commentator between the benches? Of course, you're right. Darren Pang was down there. He wants to be between the benches. Now, for our crew, it's kind of a moot point because Craig Simpson has no desire to be between the benches. He likes working the game from up top in the booth. That's where his preferred vantage point is. So we'd never be in a scenario so long as he's working games, where we would be requesting to have him between the benches. But in theory, when we go back to Montreal, if we wanted to have a commentator between the benches, there would be, we would have priority as the Canadian National Broadcaster for the game. Now, as you know, some buildings are different. The space between the benches in some are wider than others. Sometimes there's room to have both the US and Canadian guy. We've seen that in the past. Sometimes there's not enough space. In a case like Montreal and Edmonton 2 Elliott, as you know, there really isn't a between the benches. It's just an extension of the home bench. Louis de Bras down there and Edmonton all the time, Renault Lebois or Marc Denny in Montreal. So that comes into play. However, for us, a big thing, if we're not going to have a commentator there between the benches, if there is space, because priority is commentator first. And then once all those requests are satisfied, if there is room, we will try to put a handheld camera in that spot. And as you know, there could be some great vantage points on a replay, seeing faces on the bench up close, or if there's scrums in between the benches, that can be a really great perspective to have. So that's become certainly in the playoffs, priority for Sportsnet that if there is a situation where, again, Craig Simpson as an example, doesn't want to be between the benches, no problem. But we would love to have a camera there if there is room. Nice. Now, the only thing I wanted to correct was, I thought in the United States, it is US national than us. And in Canada, it is us and then US national. But I thought in Montreal, it was the French rights holder first and then us. So the key there is which, whether it's us or Tivia, which one is putting out the play by play camera. Okay. That's how that is determined. I believe it was the case last round and I believe it's the case this round. We are putting out our own play by play camera. So in theory, we would have first choice. But again, it becomes a moot point for our crew. Craig Simpson goes up top. You know, we're still wishing Renaud Le Bois all the best. But when he does get back, he would be someone that he would be the man in between the benches there in Montreal. But I think during the regular season, there are instances where it's Tivia that would be the one providing the play by play camera. And then they would be considered the primary broadcast there and would have first dibs. Okay. It's a great point you make. Excellent. Good work. Good question, Ben. One final one here. Stephen from St. John's, Newfoundland. Nice. Good evening, Kyle Adam. My name is Stephen and I'm writing. Wait, wait, wait, what, what, didn't even say good evening to me. Just said good evening to the two of you guys. So he goes, good evening, Kyle and Dom. My name is Stephen and I'm writing from St. John's, Newfoundland. And oh, hi, Elliot. Nice. As I sit here enjoying a beverage, watching the abs and wild game, I'm wondering what is the most goals ever scored in a series after Sunday's 15 goal game. And now I see two goals on the first two shots in this one. I can't help but wonder if it goes the distance. Will we see a hundred goals? Keep up the great work and just so you know, there are not any raccoons in Newfoundland if you're looking for a nice spot to retire. Sincerely, a disgruntled Bruins fan who is not happy about the draft lottery. I have to say this, I would move there if there were no raccoons. I would at least consider it. Most goals in a playoff series? I would have to say this, if it was a five gamer, I would pick that famous Edmonton Kings One with the miracle on Manchester. But there's no way there isn't a seven gamer that goes longer than that. Yes, and actually the top three for this answer were all six game series. Really? Yeah, didn't even see a seventh. No, you know off the top of my head. I mean, look, if I was to guess anything, Kyle, I would guess something that would have the 80s Oilers in it. But that's purely a guess. Yep. And it led you to the right place. So really? Yes. I couldn't pick a series though. I wouldn't know. Fair 1985 conference finals, they knocked out Chicago in six games. There was 69 goals scored in that series. That is the record. So they averaged 11 and a half goals a game in a series. The two teams. Wow. Yes. So the only thing close recently, so in the bubble, Dallas, Colorado and also New York Pittsburgh in the 2022 playoffs, those are both seven gamers. Those both had 57 total. That's tied for sixth all time. Jeez. 69 is the target. Game two, Colorado, Minnesota wasn't the same as game one. Although it was tracking that way when you sent this in, Steven. Yeah, they slowed down after that. Yes. Yeah. So they still got a long ways to go to get those totals. 69 and six games. Crazy. So I went looking for that Kings Oilers series. And according to what I see, it's 50 goals is like 35th all time. But it is also, I think, the only five game series that's in the top 50. So I was onto something there at least. Yeah, that was one of those 10, eight. I remember it was 10, eight. No, when they met in 87, because that wasn't the miracle on Manchester, you're right. That was later. No, miracle on Manchester was that was that was 1982. Yeah. Sorry. I meant earlier. One of those games, the first game of that series, I think was a 10, eight game. Right. So when they met again in 87, Edmondson one and five, that was 52 goals total. So yeah, that's the only five game series within the top 25 all time. There you go. You're on the right path though. I'll give you credit for that. All right. That'll do it for another edition of the thought line. 1833 311 3232. If you'd like to call and leave a voicemail or email us at 32 thoughts at sports net.ca. We've got Elliot's conversation with Josh and Shane Done still to come. We'll also look at the other series that played out Wednesday night in the Stanley Cup playoffs. All of that still to come on 32 thoughts of the podcast. Okay. So Colorado, Minnesota, we haven't played since our last episode dropped on Wednesday. They're in the middle of a boatload of days off game three. That one goes Saturday. So we will talk about that on Monday's episode. Elliot, why don't we start with a series that we are at in Buffalo here? The Sabres and the Canadians one game in there, Buffalo wins game one by a score of four to two. This is a different opponent for Montreal than they just spent going head to head with for seven games in Tampa. But the Sabres are for real. Zach Benson is for real. Alex Lyon doesn't look like he's dropping off just yet. Ross Pistoline is a finalist for the Norse trophy. Congratulations to him. What did you think about how this series started at the Key Bank Center? I think that that is a game. Game one of that series is one that if you're Buffalo, I think you have to win it. If you're serious about winning the series and the Sabres sure are, you know, you've had a bit more time to relax. You went six games. Montreal went seven. They have a shorter turnaround time. They're the ones that have to travel into your city. They're a mode, they're rotting that emotional wave a bit closer to game one game time. I think if you're the Sabres, you're waiting for them at home. You've had a few more days to rest. You have to jump on them. And I thought they did. You know, in the in the playoffs, you don't have to apologize for how you win. And you just have to win. And Montreal wasn't sharp. They weren't themselves. They took a penalty eight seconds in Hudson tripped over the kick plate of the boards. I'm betting he's not going to do that. The rest of the series and Buffalo took advantage. That's what good teams do. I didn't think Montreal was sharp. I think they lacked the emotion that they showed at more points in that Tampa series. And I thought they paid for it. You know, Dovish gave up maybe his worst goal of the playoffs. That greenway goal was even though there was a screen, it was kind of ugly. It went through them. I just don't think Montreal is going to be like that again in the series. That that to me is that's the kind of game where if Buffalo has to take it and they did it, I think both teams are going to be a lot better in in game two. Like you heard Lindy Ruff, he wasn't saying we were great or anything like that. What was his line? We have to be more on top of them. I think when you win an opening game and the other team doesn't play great, you're spending the next two days or day and a half preparing your team for, they're going to be a lot better than that. They're going to be much better than that. And that's exactly the mode Ruff was in. I just didn't think Montreal was very good. And I don't think that'll happen again. You talk to him at the end of the game, Kyle, but the Benson stuff is very real. Like for a long time, we remember what big heroes, Rob Ray, Brad May, and Matthew Barnaby were in Buffalo. And we aren't going to see guys with 300 penalty minutes in a year anymore. Like those days are just over, but that doesn't mean you aren't going to have guys who play an edgy, nasty game and fans aren't going to love them just as much. And you can really feel the love affair growing in Buffalo between Benson and the Sabres fans. Yeah, I was asked to see he got a huge pop when I called out for the first star at the end of the game. I give credit, Alex Tuck saw this coming. Like even before he knew whether it was going to be Montreal or Tampa, he felt this was going to be a series where there was going to be more room for us kind of in the middle of the ice to create some things off the rush. And that's where they did a lot of their damage. And Montreal just is going to have to do some adjusting to now. Because we saw it, obviously the one was the tough break on the Hudson there, but even the Greenway goal, you know, coming off the rush. And you know, like that's been when the Sabres are playing a game that they want to play between that and how they got rolling around in the offensive zone for a few stretches there in the second period more so than in any other point. That was Sabres hockey that led them, you know, in a lot of ways to first in the division this year. And now, you know, Montreal, it's their turn to adjust. But I think there's still a very compelling series to be had here. And now, you know, as Saint Louis said after the game on Wednesday, like it's kind of the first time in two weeks, their top guys actually had a bit of space with the puck on their stick after how tight it was in Tampa. And so it was interesting, they had an optional practice here on Thursday. The last two guys on the ice were Hudson and Caulfield. The Hudson one I'm not surprised by because like that's his sanctuary. He's always on the ice. And usually a lot longer than most. But Caulfield putting in extra work still stuck on just the one goal. You know, you could tell he was struggling to find whatever kind of rhythm he's looking for there in game number one. Like that's where my mind's kind of going of, you know, as a team, of course, you got to respond after losing the opening game. But for a guy who scored 51 on the regular season, all right, like here's your moment to try to break through. I think this series is going to be a lot better. A lot better. And I think that Bob, what the Buffalo players said to you, Kyle, before game one is true, there's going to be more room out here than there was for both the savers against Boston and the Canadians against the Lightning. These two teams just play differently. They won't lock it down. They will attack and they will take chances. And I, my bad is that game one is a complete dud compared to the rest of this series. Ooh, I like that bet. Okay. Meanwhile, out in Vegas, that felt like an important one for Anaheim. Beyond the obvious of winning the game, you even the series going back home, but a game where they controlled play. But unlike other games against Edmonton where the goals were adding up for them, like that was a night you had to stay patient and trust that it was going to come and don't get out of what was making you successful. And that was a young team that stuck with it and full value, nearly a shutout for Lukash Tostell. But full value going into Vegas and earning a split there. Like this young Anaheim team continues to impress a lot of us here for each. Yeah, I have to say that this is a different series for Anaheim. You know, we've all talked about how Anaheim was full value for beating the Oilers and they deserve credit. And nobody should take anything away from them. But I think we also felt that this series was going to be very different. And they've shown that they can adapt to two opponents who don't really have a lot in common in terms of the way they play. Edmonton's super fast team up and down the ice, they beat them. The night's more structured. Definitely about being in the proper position and trying to exploit your weaknesses. And I think Anaheim's played two games really well. I you know, if you're the doctor, probably sitting there saying boy, I wish we were up to nothing instead of one one, duh, that's obvious. But there's nothing I saw from the first two games for Anaheim that make me concerned that they can't win this series, you know, Dostal is settled down and so is hard for Vegas. He started to play a lot better going back to the back end of the the MAMMA series. But I like the way that they have defended Vegas so far. And that's I think the one thing I didn't watch the beginning of game number two in this series, because we were finishing our work here in Buffalo. But I saw a team that had a good defensive game plan for Vegas, and was prepared to execute it. So I always believe in Vegas, it takes a lot for me to think that they're not going to win a series. The only reason I was really concerned about them earlier this year, and at the start of the playoffs against MAMMATH, is they were as they were getting at no saves. Like, that's a terrible Achilles heel to have, and not even a team like Vegas can overcome it. But now that hard is solidified a bit, I think they're a very dangerous team. I just watched Anaheim in the first two games of this series. They took advantage of an Edmonton team that had a lot of holes and a lot of weaknesses. And it looks to me like they understand that this is going to be a different challenge. This is going to be more of a playoff challenge. And the first two games, they've been up to it. The thing that they have to realize is that Vegas tends to get better as the series get longer. That definitely happened in round number one. So you know that the Golden Knights are going to go to a different level here. And so Anaheim has to handle that. The other thing too is, you know, William Carlson came back. I tend to think that players, they get better the more games they play, especially like usually there's a bit of a jolt in game number one, but then it hits you and then you recover. Carlson and Marner played a little bit at the end of game two. I want to see if that's what Tortorella goes to in game number three. I think Carlson will get better as the series goes on. And I think the Golden Knights will too. Ryan Paling has become a really good quote in terms of understanding a player's mindset and just how they're viewing the game. And he said after the fact that, you know, the way to beat Vegas is just outpacing them. And he's not necessarily talking about only how fast they skate, but just the way they process the game and how they go about it that way. And then it's been working for Anaheim. I just wonder, you know, how long until do we get the John Tortorella, we're ready to play press conference again? As you go down that, that road again, because it's set the right tone and kind of turn their series around against me. It does it 26 times a year. So you're going to get it again for sure. The minute long press conference, it's not a one time occasion. It's a multi time occasion. Yes. By the way, I don't know if you saw it like when Mark Stone busted the shadow with like six seconds left, he almost felt bad about it all. You know, I forgot to mention this, but every time I see that, I think of the late Pat Quinn. I covered a game once when Quinn was coaching the Leafs and the Leafs and it was one of Glenn Healy's rare starts when Curtis Joseph was in, was standing on his head in Toronto. And he had a shout out going in the last minute against Vancouver and they lost and he lost it. The Leafs ended up winning that game four to one and Quinn came out and he was furious. The first thing he said was, I thought these guys liked Healy. He was so angry that they blew the shout out in the last minute. And I always remember that. He's like, that was like a sin to Pat Quinn losing a goalie shout out late like that. I didn't realize how long it's been since Anaheim had a shout out. Yeah. It's been what? Yeah, almost two years. Yeah. Reggae season and playoff, of course. But I'm glad you reminded me of that because they played an unbelievable game that night and beating the Canucks and Quinn was seething when he came to meet with the media. He's like, he totally forgot they played the best 59 minutes because they blew Healy's shout out. That's good. That's, yeah. Coach who understands the value of those little moments there. That's an awesome story. Okay. You want to get to the interview? Yes. All right. Let's do it. So, Josh Dohn, you may have heard on 32 Thoughts the podcast earlier this season. He opened the scoring in game number one against Montreal. Elliott earlier in the playoffs had a chance to sit down with not only him, but his father Shane Dohn as well, who's got his own playoff experience and experience for the game in his own right. So the Dones and Fridge on 32 Thoughts the podcast. Let's listen. So many places to start. I think as a father, I'll start with the dad and Josh, you knew he was good, but this has been sort of like the breakout year. What's it been like watching it? You know what? It's been so fun. And yeah, without Dohn, we always view your son as a good occupier. But to see him have the impact that he's had and just as who he is as a guy, that's probably been the most fun to see the joy that he's had and to see him have him score and obviously makes him a little happier than not score. So that's made it fun. So Josh, when you pick up your phone after a game, what's the text message look like? It depends on the game, I think. He'll leave me alone if I ever feel good or it's usually the same thing, just good game or depending on how I play, depending on our biggest thing is it's not always about points or scoring. So if I play well and I don't score, I'll usually hear from them just to keep it up. My mom's usually doing more on my phone. So she sends gifts and messages with like bangs and stuff and go buffalo no matter what if we win, she's got it all dialed in. So what is your mom's key gift? Like everybody has... She's got a couple. She's got like a charging buffalo cartoon that comes across the lot right now. How often do you and your wife watch games together? We watch the majority of them together. She was in Toronto with me for probably most of the whole first half of the season up until middle of January, we're there and then she went back and then I've been back a couple of times. We watched them back in Arizona a couple of times in the last two or three weeks but it's been together and she's a lot of fun to watch it with. I was just saying, what's that? Because you've always, when you played you were like the charging rhino but as a person you've always been pretty calm publicly. What are you guys like when you're watching games together? I'm pretty calm I think, I'd be calmer. I've heard from all the siblings that he's the calm one. I am. I will, I get more excited about the things that I see that like when he does something that might not work but was the right idea. Andrea can be just, she's a big fan and she's a big Josh fan. She is a buffalo fan but she is a Josh fan. The trade this summer, like how did you walk Josh through it and the shock of it and how to handle it? I guess, well we were talking when we, when we heard about it and we didn't know that he was in on it and he was excited. I thought JJ is a good player and he was excited to get to play with him and then when he found out that he was going the other way. I found out I was in the trade. It was, that was unique obviously. I'd never experienced it but and you know what, his, his probably his biggest strength is his love of his teammates. He loves his teammates and that was probably when you get traded the biggest, you know, the biggest thing to get over is for guys always talk about and he just had the experience of the world championships and he was saying how he was going to miss the guys in Utah and that was going to be hard and after the world championships he'd been talking about how much he loved those guys and how amazing they were. I said you were with them for like two and a half weeks, three weeks and you were talking like that about them and less than two weeks he'll be talking the same way about your Buffalo teammates and it wasn't two weeks. It was like five days, four days and I'm hearing about everybody and how awesome they are and how great this guy is and he's the best player and Sammy's amazing and Byesie's unbelievable and it's on Tomer's the best and he already knew Tomer so it was just in that part it didn't really take any talking it was just him being him and he got excited. What's the best advice your dad's ever given you? There's a couple things I think obviously the most cliche one is he really emphasizes the fun in the game and you do get to play a sport as a living is super cool and unique and you're creative when you're doing that and that's when I'm playing my best is when I'm doing that. I think the main one that sticks out to me is when I'm not playing well is to trust your instincts and just go don't try to think the game. When you think the game you stop moving your feet and then you get yourself in trouble and then I think the one that away from the game too is just to be a better person and hockey players I think all three of my siblings and I can anything that we do it is important to be better at being a nice person to who you're with and then to focus on what you're doing. What's the best thing you're watching your son has taught you about being a dad? Maybe all your children. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. My wife did an amazing job. I guess when I watch them and see all my kids I know how much I was gone and I do appreciate and when I watch them watch him and all of them they're just they love each other and I guess as a dad that's probably the thing that I'd appreciate the most is I think Josh has a genuine love for people and that's probably the coolest part of watching him interact whether it's on the bench or whether it's off the ice whether it's coming across people whether it's on the ice and his passion for the game I think it kind of spills into everything and I think all four of the kids have that and I thought that's probably the coolest part. That's awesome. What does it mean to hear that from your dad? Yeah, it's pretty cool. I think it's fun to listen to him talk and he gets to be nice to us often. So that leads to the repression. What is the angriest Shane has ever been at you? He doesn't always get angry with us. Joke is kids and my sister, Karis loves that the fact that she can tell people like we've all seen him mad on the ice but there's a look that us four kids have gotten that no one has seen before and it's not a nothing needs to be said you're like okay yeah noted that won't be done again and just kind of go to your room or avoid him for a couple minutes and then he's the happiest guy alive five minutes later but I he's I don't know I try not to do anything too bad to make him that upset with me I think we've all we've all avoided too much consequence from him. I need you to turn to the camera and give that. I wish I could do it. They've pointed it out to me once in a while and I know I've seen it I've seen it on in a game or whatever at a moment or two but I've seen it on his face a couple times in a game. Yeah when we when you see I was like oh and it kind of laughed but it's it usually takes quite a bit. Wouldn't you remember like the your first memory as your dad playing? Yeah I it was quite a unique experience obviously to be 15 years old when he was done so a lot of memories is when I was in my early teens getting to go to the rink with him and and watch him play I think going to the world championships as a kid was always super exciting for me and getting to watch him play there but I'd say one of the cooler memories would be at the All-Star Game in Montreal getting to be a part of that with him where my sister on the bench when he somehow won the shootout competition. Somehow, I'm not sure. But he did so I guess I took my couch him on that but it was just stuff like that where you're around the game and you get experienced that kind of stuff where you get to interact with him and his teammates and those events and and kind of enjoy the moment with them or you don't realize how cool they are until you get a little bit older and looking back at it's pretty special. So my son's 14 and he is not remotely interested in what I do. He doesn't care and that's fine like I want him to be happy and pick his own path I'm good. But when like would you remember there was a point where you realized you know just how accomplished your dad was and is and you said I want to follow that path? Yeah I think growing up I was I just loved hockey and it was because obviously he did it but then just how much fun I had playing it or with him in the group backyard or garage and stuff like that and then I was probably around 10 or 11 when you kind of realized what he did was pretty cool and not a lot of people can can do that at that level and I don't know there wasn't really a time where I thought I was going to be able to really perform at that level or play at that level. I think there was some tough years growing up where he obviously helped me a ton in getting now to where I am from then but I think growing up you you don't really realize it because he is dad for the majority of your childhood and then you at some point you come to realize that it's it's pretty cool doing what he's doing. I mean probably the first time they made the playoffs that I could remember as a kid was you realize how important the game is and how big it is and it's not just like a job it's serious to a lot of people and it's fun so I think that would probably been those Detroit playoffs series of these kids were the first kind of moments you realize how cool it was. It was there a moment Shane where you looked at Josh and you said my son's got a chance here. Yeah it probably was right at the end of his early early early on when he was a kid he did he he actually was against Dustin Wolfe she scored a goal which is crazy because this is like back when he was like nine or ten or it was for the brick he was getting ready for the brick and he came in he made a really nice move and Dustin Wolfe stayed right with him stopped him and nobody had really he had he made the right move and no one had really stopped him and Dustin stopped him and he got about two shifts later he got another breakaway came in and made a little move and took a shot and Wolfe stopped it and then he got the Josh got the rebound put it in and for the first time I had ever thought of was he was I think he almost bounced it off his pad to himself and I asked him about it after the game and this might be show my own abilities I think did you do that on purpose did you try to and he's like well I knew if I went there I probably could get a rebound and I could get another chance at it that had never crossed my mind an entire time I'd played hockey and I was in the NHL for a while and I'd never thought of him like that and so that was when I was like oh he thinks the game so much better than I do and he was like nine but then in his first year in Chicago at the end of the year the beginning of the year I thought he was in trouble at the end of the year he had a game where he just his his motor was it he was kept his motor going and now he was starting to get to where he could if it got into a 50-50 battle he was strong enough to win maybe a couple of those battles and then the stick was really good I was like ah if he can improve the same as what he did from the beginning of the year to this point for next year maybe he's got a chance and and then obviously the following year he really improved he improved even more and then he kind of grew and got into his body and and all that but that was probably when I was like okay maybe he's got a chance what do you remember about your draft? I was in Michigan at the the World Junior stuff so I wasn't I was with my mom obviously she was there but I was with a lot of the guys that I had played in Chicago with so that was pretty cool to to share that day with a lot of them just because it was off-site and you had a chance to kind of be around guys that you had taken those steps with and people that supported you throughout the way I think it's cool being being with them and then obviously going out to to talk to to my mom and she was excited when I got drafted and it was to Arizona so we got a chance to talk to him on the phone pretty quickly after which was super cool. What do you remember about that moment like just as it was obviously you knew there was a chance it was going to have? Yeah it was well it was crazy so the exact moment going into that day no one we had had quite a bit of talks about it as a family whether or not that he wanted Jocelyn to get drafted by Arizona like it was we really had kind of hinted that we didn't but at the same time we weren't going to it was like whatever is best for everybody we'll just do so I never got to see our list past or I saw the list but Josh wasn't on the list up until that point because the Scouts kind of discussed it I thought what Bill and the Scouts had done was an incredible job of just whenever Josh was discussed I was out of the room and I wasn't involved and then the morning of the second day they gave me a different a new list they're like hey we'll give you a list where Josh is and it showed that they had him I think they had him at 19 on their list and he they're like he's going to go early and we want you to know where we have him and I was like okay I see it and I was like hey if it doesn't line up we are not moving off this list like that's the way you've always done it that's what you do so at 36 they had I guess I can tell now that they had Williams they had shy ahead of Josh and they had him at 18 and Detroit traded up to move ahead of Arizona and took him at 36 and so when the trade went through they're like he they're taking you know the rooms all talk and they're like I think they're taking Guglio and then everyone in the room turned and looked at me and I'm like oh that's winding up perfectly so they took him with the next pick and that was pretty exciting it was it was it was really unique to for about a minute and a half to two minutes of knowing like oh my goodness okay all the ramifications I'm going to kind of run them through my head and then to get to talk to him right after was really special that's it's now did anyone in your family say to you did you know that this was going to happen yeah nobody it was literally a minute and then everyone asked me and everyone asked me and I'm like I swear I I thought that we were because of the situation and according to what the scouts were saying that it was going to be William and then we had two more picks but everyone was telling me like there was no way that he gets to the second or third one and I I was so then you're kind of like okay well if that's case I'm happy regardless because he's going to get picked relatively soon and I'm going to get to see but when that trade went through it was crazy and so I was like oh my gosh it all it literally was it fell back into place and it was it was pretty special the thing I always remember too about your first jump ahead to your first goal was we were watching again today before the interview first of all you had to the building was crazy but uncle Dan uncle Dan that is the one that stands out as much as anything else when you remember about that yeah I think we were talking about it before that he he would owe me uh I don't we had some wage in the summertime about something and I was going to play in Tucson and we went to Abbotsford a couple times so if I scored while he was present in the building that he had to take his shirt off in Abbotsford not many people would have saw except the people in the building and it just would have been awkward for him and he agreed to it but my aunt my mom's sister had vetoed him when I scored in Abbotsford so she didn't want the second hand embarrassment of being there which is fair but my little cousins kept him to his word and they weren't supposed to be in Arizona for my first game I got called up while they were in town and I was in San Jose planning against the barracuda and they were like well now we're not going home because they're supposed to fly out that night and they decided to stay a couple days so over that couple days I think he planned out that if I had scored it he would go tarpshoff in his words and he did so he's he's he's meant a lot obviously to me and my siblings but we've been pretty close since I was super young and he's he's been one of the mentors in my life that has done and kept things fun for me in the summertime and in training so it was pretty cool that he got that the opportunity to show the world what he does in the gym but he's I think he's adamant that he's coming here for for the playoffs and we'll see what happens then but I think it would be pretty entertaining to see it again or maybe get some some paint on his chest for the sabers on that. A painted dome sabers just the funny thing about that is like I can't tell if you're if you if you want him there I'm gonna get away from that like he decided he's gonna be with you I tell you felt yeah you know what we were so excited obviously when he scored his first goal like that was unbelievable and then to get the second one Dan and I were laughing about the first one and I was laughing we're just having a good time and when the puck went in I was like it might have been a high stick because we were trying to decide it didn't really matter the shirt was off and he made me feel so small like I know he's huge yeah yeah and it was really cool to see and and the key to it and I really believe him and Josh Dan has been an unbelievable kind of role model to Josh right from like four years old he's been there and has always made Josh feel so important and special and for that to happen and there was a lot that went into it and it was a lot of fun it was so much fun that was a great night we had an unbelievable night um thing that you're most like your dad thing that you're least like your dad is how I think I'm the one that's bad for both of us is probably our phones were terrible I don't know I'm bad with texts and I feel bad and now we would tease him as kids out like you'd all be like you never answer your phone and now I'm like oh boy I'm now I see why you are I'm in the same boat now we're I'm terrible on my phone and then different I don't know we're I don't know that's a tough one pretty similar in a lot of ways I'm a way better Smash Bros player than a Nintendo that's not even close no not even remotely ability to mash buttons I guess I don't know I think my siblings would have a better answer for that than I would we're pretty similar in a lot of things maybe where you think you guys are most similar and most different um yeah the phone thing is a diff it's definitely a similarities there I think Josh's ability to to gather and hold information like if you need something found out if you need to figure something out he is so good at at that I I do call him and be like hey uh what's going on with so-and-so and it's like instant like and his passion of knowing information is really I guess we're kind of similar in that way but he is so much better at it I think at understanding the world that we live in now of Twitter and everything where I'm I get it but I don't get it like he does and it's maybe that's probably the I don't know we're pretty similar in that all right last question for you um you know I'm like I said I'm a father too all we do in life is hope to see our kids do well and uh you've got lots of successful children but to see Josh it's about to play his first playoff game I know how you felt when you played your first playoff game what's it gonna be like to see that it's it's the whole reason you play like from when you're a kid to forever the reason you play is to play for the Stanley Cup like that's what you do is you play for a chance to play in the playoffs and it's hard to understand and explain it to people when like it's it's that passion that you've had from the very beginning and for him to get to experience it I've him and I've talked a little bit about it how amazing it is the playoffs or it's so much fun and I can't wait to watch and it's amazing you want your I read a quote your dad is the only man that you come across that wants you to do better than him in life and I nothing would make me happier I mean watching Keith with Maddie celebrate with the Stanley Cup has been pretty cool and that's it's it's a pretty amazing thing to to see your boys get a chance to to do something that I'd love to watch him do and I can't wait I can't wait Josh the day that comes that it comes imagine maybe around that saber logo the Dome family Shane Andrea your siblings uncle Dan like to stand on the ice with it if you thought about it yeah I think it sounds stupid I was that same brick tournament our team because the Kings won the Stanley Cup that year celebrated with the we got to go in and see it and I refused to go into the room and celebrate with the Stanley Cup unless it was with him and that was part of me being a stubborn 10-year-old that was upset that my dad lost but I think that was also like just I mean seeing how how much he cared and how much he put into his career was was something really cool and and part of why I'm I'm where I am now so it would be something where I think he would be obviously I think it'd be the two of us first would be would be really cool and then bring the rest of them in after I think it'll be hard to keep my siblings away they're they're pretty passionate too Gracie in particular would be upset with me I think because she's been a huge supporter of mine since I was little but yeah it's something that as a kid it was it was him and I and that's how I kind of pictured it as as growing up is if I'm going to do it I'm doing it with him and and that's kind of a thought process do you guys still skate together yeah yeah what's that like depends on if we're on the same team or not I think it's a huge we'll skate uh in the summertime at ASU if he'll I'll bring him out because they can have coaches so he'll run me a couple guys out and the two of us if we don't have or if we have an odd number of guys he plays it's the only way he'll play with with that group and then usually we'll try to get on the same team and it's pretty fun I think we we think the game pretty similarly so it's it's fun to play with them and then against each other it's it's another level of I've said it where I got asked earlier this year about battling with him and he's still pretty strong in the corners around the net so I try to expand the zone as much as possible versus him now but it's he's still I mean I still think he's got it he's he's somewhere in there and he's still got it depends on if he wants to shoot or not yeah it's so fun to watch him play and to see the skill level of all the players now I was watching the game they when they played Anna I'm just recently and Mike Smith was texting with me and he he was chirping me there's no chance I would have scored that I probably would have I would have missed the net hard rimmed it around on the ice or two on one the other way because I think the exact quote that he said um but to watch their skill level is amazing and the game and it's fun to be on the ice and play together and have fun playing together but man what they can do now what they do with the puck is just you know it's stuff you didn't even think about like you didn't even comprehend that that would even be an option and you'd be ridiculed if you did do you remember the first time Josh outmuscled you for a puck yeah I well I remember the first time that I I went to lift his stick and I didn't and it didn't like I knew I'd kind of give it a pop and steal it and I thought oh there he's got a little heavier stick now then but he's more he uses a stick as a he knocks things down and steals it more quickness than than just strength which really bugs me when he does it to me it's more than when he steals it from me that bugs me I don't really get to steal it from him but he steals it from me all the time so yeah our thanks to Josh and Shane and the Buffalo Sabres for making that conversation happen two games on tap tonight in the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs including right here in Buffalo game two the Sabres and the Canadians hockey central the pregame show gets you set at 6 30 eastern 3 30 pacific time the game a little after 7 et from western New York that will be followed by game number three of Anaheim and Vegas from the Honda Center should be a great environment there at 9 30 eastern time it will begin on sports net 360 and move to the sports net main channels once the Sabres and the Canadians are all wrapped up taking us out today a track from marzia who is an r&b singer born in general santos philippines and raised in Surrey bc her soulful vocals and vulnerable songwriting have quickly established her as one of canada's rising voices in contemporary r&b and soul earning chart success critical recognition and institutional validation for her artistry her sound which she describes as laid back emotional and rooted in soulful live instrumentation feels like dim lights on a rainy night slow drives through empty streets and quiet moments of self reflection a proud philippino-canadian artist marzia brings over a decade of dedication to her craft representing an underserved community with authenticity and grace this song along with all the others we featured this season as you know can be found on the 32 thoughts the music playlist on spotify here is marzia and ordinary on 32 thoughts the podcast have yourselves a great weekend we'll talk to you again on monday my heart is lost but not sensed am i this or am i that who's it for lately i've been feeling so low thinking that i'm not where i'm supposed to be i've been stuck here running around in circles am i gonna make it will these dreams come true oh i've been feeling so low thinking that i'm not where i'm supposed to be i've been feeling maybe that i'm not gonna make it that these dreams were made for someone else i'll give it credit my life but when i lay with my mind i can't sleep at night so many days i've failed with such doubt like i'm not moving forward like they do i wish that i could just be the reflection i have in my head but it's not coming true it's not becoming real it's not reality it's catching up to me i've been feeling so low thinking that i'm not where i'm supposed to be i've been stuck here running around in circles am i gonna make it will these dreams come true lately i've been feeling so low thinking that i'm not where i'm supposed to be i've been stuck here running around in circles am i gonna make it will these dreams come true am i just an ordinary girl am i just an ordinary girl am i just an ordinary girl am i just an ordinary girl am i just an ordinary girl so i'll give it to god yeah i'll give it to god my life's in his hands it's in his hands