1121: The Great Nebraska Golf Trip

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! expect anything different ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying up podcast presented by our friends at title is the number one ball in golf my name is dj we got a delightful tidy little episode today as we are going to recap our trip to nebraska that many of you may have seen over uh you know documented in our youtube video that we did uh over on our youtube channel uh we We put out a film just called No Laying Up Nebraska. We covered a lot of different corners of the state, and it turned into one of our favorite videos ever. So if you haven't watched it, please go watch it. If you have watched it, today's episode is going to shed a little bit more context for you on what we got into and some of the stuff that didn't make it into the video. So looking forward to breaking that down with Neil and Tron. 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And to help me do it, I've got the Brothers Schuster, the stars of the hit No Laying Up film, NLU Nebraska. First of all, the brainchild of this trip, Tron Carter, also known as Todd Schuster. TC, how are you? I'm great. Howdy. i'm still you know i i have to go back country now that we're now that we're venturing back to nebraska kind of a tough look with you uh going country but then totally butchering that toby keith quote uh you know that's that's tough a tough look for for uh you know what have what have country music's native i would say i evolved the quote i didn't butcher it and of course his baby brother neil schuster also on the pod uh neil how are you my man i'm I'm good. It's good being with you. I'm going to crack open a Coke diesel here. It's Friday, gentlemen. No, no, I got it. Jesus. Guys, like I said, we're going to go back to Nebraska. We put out a video. I don't know when this podcast is coming out, but probably a couple weeks ago by this point, showcasing our road trip, the road trip that the three of us and Ben took through the Sandhills of Nebraska last summer. One of my favorite trips we've ever taken, one of my favorite videos we've ever put out shout out to our friends at yeti for for making that one possible uh tc let's start with kind of the the basics how long has this been swimming around in your head and how did this one come together this one's been swimming around in my head for probably at least five or six years uh first time i went to nebraska was like 20 2018 2017 maybe 2018 and then we did a video at wild horse when you were playing lefty i believe yeah i was playing lefty and we did a video at landman as well which is in a different part of the state people were like why didn't you go to landman because it's four hours away from these places that we went it's not saying it's not the sand hills no old head man exactly right uh but neil i would say landman is more architecturally significant than old head you understood what i was going for there it did uh but yeah it's just been like each time I've been in Nebraska I've loved it I've wanted to get back I've wanted to to share it with my buddies and share it with the world a little bit uh and yeah so this has been kind of a passion project of mine for like all right like but also hey can we film at Sandhills can we like you got to establish credibility and relationships and all that stuff so uh yeah it's been been a long time coming neil what were your i don't want to say i guess preconceived notions i mean what did you think you were getting into how did that differ from reality uh just just talk to me about kind of pre-trip post-trip and the these similarities or disconnects between those two things i was thinking more great plains and less less rumple less rumple stilts just some real land movement in nebraska that i did not know about like canyons and uh trees and a lot of stuff that i didn't expect i i have been to ballyneal would be the closest you know eastern colorado that i've been here so i was expecting a lot of that which we saw um you know some courses uh kind of have that ballyneal look uh but just some a lot of diversity of landscape that i wasn't expecting And to quote Big Randy, just nostalgic for a place I've never been is I felt that way like every day in Nebraska. I was like, I've never been here, but man, I feel like I have. And it's like nostalgic for a time I was never a part of. Felt like going back in time in the best ways possible. Feels like home to me, as our guy Jay Trago would say. TC, a lot of directions we could go with this one, obviously. You've got Landman in one corner. You've got, you know, a lot of other stuff in the complete opposite corner. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it can be difficult, I think, for you to whittle these trips down. You know, there's when there's a lot of times there's 16 options for four slots. How did we end up kind of zeroing in on where we went? Yeah, I think you, Neil, talked about diversity. You want diversity of landscapes, but you also want diversity of courses and of clubs, of the Bayside, Mr. Belding's place. Can I say on that note, super quick, Kevin and Ben are video guys that Ben Hotelling people know. Kevin Jackson, who is a masterful editor and shooter, works on a bunch of our stuff. No idea. They had no idea. it's such a happy accident that that made it in the edit, the Mr. Belding's play stuff, because they're like, I don't know what that is. You guys are- They're not saved by the belt. They missed it. They completely missed it. No clue what any of those references are. It's just, it's like, I got more gray hair than ever here. Yeah, Kelly Kapowski, Casey Slinger. Never felt older than that. Jesse Spano, when she took the, what'd she take? Caffeine pills or something, right? Caffeine pills. Kind of like you at the Celsius. Yeah, Stacy Carosi, Mr. Carosi at the Beach Club. But they're like, I don't know, we put it in the edit because you guys seem super confident about it, but we had no idea what that was. Anyways, Mr. Belding's place, Frederick Peak, so on. Yeah, just making sure that we got the full spectrum because I think, obviously, we went to some highly exclusive, highly private places in Sandhills and Caprock Ranch, especially. We went to more of a resort place in Prairie Club, but just as easily Dismal River could have fit into those buckets as well. Gray Bowl as well. So it's kind of making sure that you get places that are representative of the different types of clubs. And then Mullen or Augusta Wind or Thedford, those places kind of just more honesty box mom and pop shops. and then you've got wild horse which kind of sits in the middle of all these places that's kind of the best of all worlds um so i think with i think something important to keep in mind like with sand hills too is it's it's exclusive and not you know not a lot of people that watch this video are going to get to go experience it i don't think that means that we shouldn't cover it or we shouldn't you know i just think that there needs to be balance right and i think that sand hills is somewhere that kind of spawned an entire generation of great golf courses whether that's band and dunes or barn boogle or uh habit you know cabin nova scotia or wild horse right down the road yeah exactly and so i think there's you know even if you don't experience sand hills you it's tangentially experienced through some of these other places that popped up sand valley as well that that popped up and it kind of you know established that that stuff was possible right and um yeah so you know and and also like sand hills is like it's not fancy right it's it's very very rustic it's very it's it's very much about the golf like i think it's it's one of those places where you go and like neil you said hey i kind of get intimidated at these places my first day or my first round and i think for sure i think sand sand hills it's it's maybe disarming in certain ways but it's almost even more intimidating because it is rustic and it's different from any you know exclusive private club that you've been to where it like it's it's like oh my gosh like they're like my guys are just drinking beers out on the porch and eating burgers here you know yeah i think my i said it you feel like you're in the museum and i'm like oh it's and it's especially sand hills it's so quiet out there you're like i don't want to mess anything up like oh god you get intimidated by like man this is a heard so much about it i'm i'm overwhelmed with seeing it for the first time i always think about these trips too and hopefully this isn't too like how the sausage is made or or whatever uh but i always think about the role of these trips i've gotten a lot more comfortable with going to places like that because i think the goal is to is we do have access to go check those places out and to show what makes them great so that you can lay that over on other places is kind of it's kind of how i look at those i don't look at these trips and there are there are elements of oh you should go check this place out but i don't think these are like we're not travel agents you know i don't think these are like you need to go here's your your ready-made itinerary go follow the footsteps of what the you guys went to a private club i i Like, I don't look at those the same way. I look at them almost more like a, I don't know, this is not comparing, but like chef's table is a good instance of like, man, I'm not going to eat at any of these restaurants, but I like to know what they're doing. That's interesting. You know, where, where are they taking inspiration from? Can I say, I, I, I just rewatched our, uh, Sylvie's episode from season five of Taurus sauce and for, for some other projects we're doing, loved it. But there, we had interviewed Scott Campbell, the owner of Sylvie's and he's talking about, he's out in eastern oregon and the town he grew up in and you know the lumber mill closed in the 80s and economic downturn it's been tough out there in the high desert and he's like he's saying with sylvie's he's like one eco resort's not going to change the economic situation for two counties you know in eastern oregon but hopefully it's it's symbolic and it's a start for other people to invest in this area and show that like people will come if you you know do a good job and i think that's exactly what's happened in nebraska over the last 30 years right you know sand hills proves that like if you build it they will come and then you get a wild horse and then you get dismal river then you get the prairie club and um so i think there it was fun to see that almost from a different part of the country a different guy talking about his resort almost economically similar to this yeah i think that's i think that's well said as far as kind of like who who can take this trip who should take this trip the travel agent sort of element of it because i do think that you know there is some of that like i said i'm not trying to speak out of both sides of my mouth but tc how do you how do you recommend this as far as like prerequisites is this like a oh you have to go to scotland first you have to go to ireland you got to go to australia the light bulb is not going to click until you've seen certain things or is this like a no go hop on go hop in the in the suburban and go check it out as soon as possible you know yeah i'm trying to get out totally yeah i don't think it's i don't think there's any prerequisites for this trip i think this trip is almost a prerequisite for some of those other trips of hey if you can't you know whether time wise or budget wise or you know like if you can't get to scotland or you can't get to to australia this is this is the best parts of that in your own backyard and uh you know coming from jacksonville it can certainly feel like it's probably as quick for me to get to scotland as it is to get to the first at Wild Horse or Frederick Beaker, one of these places. But you don't need a travel agent to book this, right? You can, and then with the advent of rodeo dunes in the next few years, and you could fly in and out of Denver and stop at Common Ground on your way out. Or there's just so many, you can make this trip your own. You can go out of Omaha. You could drive down from the Twin Cities and do this. I think you've got Owari Dunes. You've got Landman, like we said. And then you've got, there's a dozen other courses out there that we didn't go to that are publicly accessible. There's some cool stuff up in the northwestern part of the state that feels more like desert scapes and mesas and arroyos kind of thing. So I think there's something for everybody, but it's highly accessible. Like, you know, I-80 is right there. And then you're kind of just taking jaunts off of I-80 to go up. And, you know, you could do a three or four day trip. You could do a 10 day trip. And you could, you know, you could build in fly fishing or tubing or something else to it. But yeah, you know, it's just one of those things that like, I don't think these places are getting overrun. Like, I think it's probably a lot more difficult to get a tea time at Wild Horse or Prairie Club these days, but you can go to Frederick Peak, you can go to, you know, you can stop at these honesty box places and like, those fill up the tank for me just as much as the, as the private clubs and the resorts. Like it's, it's truly to me, like this trip was as much about the road trip and the windshield time as it was about the golf courses themselves. And you're going through all these different landscapes and you're surrounded by just awesome wildflowers the whole time. And I don't know, just hanging out with you guys. It was, it was, it was fun. I, you took the words out of my mouth. You mentioned those jaunts off of I-80. And to me, that is going to be one of the lasting memories. It's like all the golf courses are great. Sand hills is probably my favorite golf course in the united states like all of that stuff is so so cool but what i don't have a lot of in my life is true just driving fast on open roads and wide open spaces is that's lacking you know and that is a uh man that was fun it's just it's it's a great um yeah it's it's just a funny kind of push and pull right where you you pull into a place like augusta Winds or Thedford or Mullen Golf Club or whatever. And maybe if you don't have the eye or if you don't have the context or you don't have whatever, yeah, maybe it doesn't look like a lot to look at. But man, go do it for two, three days and see how much your heart rate drops and your blood pressure drops a little bit. It's one of those trips for me where it's like, yeah, maybe not all the golfers in your life are going to understand what you're doing, but I promise it's going to click once you get out there. We were joking about it and we kept kind of saying like oh my god this is nebraska there were so many people in my life where they're like oh what do you got coming up i was like oh we're doing this uh this big massive film in nebraska like what why what are you what are you talking nebraska really i'm like oh yeah do people not realize like it's it's kind of it like it's that's that's that's the best we got pretty much you know and it's uh it takes kind of a week to to package all that up in a way that i think people like really resonates with people who have never been there there's a there's a quote this this calls to mind starts her trips always ended near a city somewhere way out in a freight yard with smoke clouding the air where a turmoil of trains made a great noisy rumble on crisscrossing tracks an impossible jumble and that's how it feels you know kind of is this the caboose that the caboose that got loose which i haven't seen yet tc did you put it in the mail i haven't seen it yet i did i had i i ordered it through through you know delivery should have been there last friday so much more than the rest was a cabin she'd seen on her trips through the west a little log shack half covered with vines perched on a slope in a forest of pines there you go get that nebraska too that right can i can i the the thing i would add is uh Sometimes I don want to say frustrated but sometimes golf trips can feel so scheduled If you are looking to take a golf trip that is unscheduled and you looking for that flexibility over a four or five day period, this is the perfect golf trip to take where, yeah, you're going to have to do some driving, but you can roll up to these honor boxes and places like Frederick's peak. And you can, you can have that flexible schedule to work in a, you know, yeah, you'll have to book things with Prairie Club and with Wild Horse, but you can work around that. That's what I really enjoyed about it. It felt like we could change our itinerary on the fly. Build in time for the rodeo, baby. You never know when you're going to drive by one. Clujet Cafe, T-R-30. Exactly. The J&L Cafe on the way out. I think that's a lot of throat clearing on the actual trip itself, but I think let's get into the itinerary a little bit. I'll keep you guys moving so that we don't get too bogged down with the left side of this fairway the right side of this green type of type of stuff but uh we started at mr belding's place bayside like you said neil i want to ask you a simple question what are you going to remember most about bayside uh the aquifer massive body of water out there didn't expect that so that was the reservoir we couldn't see the reservoir was under the ground uh sorry the aquifer yes or i'm sorry god now you got me to the the reservoir yes triple landlocked gentlemen triple landlocked all right uh no i think the um some some dunes and what will i remember the routing a lot of blind shots just the the the paralysis i would have to design some of these golf courses on and where to go next it's you get off to a tee it's like you could tell me we we should be we're going 180 degrees that way like three or four times i was like oh oh we're going that way okay cool uh that's just the thrill for me i love that i don't know what's i don't know what's coming next but you so you don't know where you're going but there's also no trees so that's very disorienting and i i uh i like playing a course like that from time hand up uh we wanted to play the back you can only get off the front the back head you know it was jam-packed we didn't have enough time to play all 18. i think a lot like the back is much more notable and gets all sorts of more notoriety so hand up my fault there but we did play 11. but i've heard that there's another there's a part three on the back that's even more outrageous jd was telling me stuff which shout out to jd he was just a sherpa and a awesome council uh the entire trip and you know in the pre-planning segment even down to like hey you guys got to go to this you know convenience store truck stop in ogalala that this is nebraska for you yeah that was great you mentioned the 11th hole that's going to stick with me uh approximately 950 yard uh par 5 that plays down a spine uh please go watch the video if you don't know what we're talking about there's great great visuals of that tc i'd like to commend you on uh just playing the real golf hole uh neil you played it much much the way that i probably would have played it had i not been behind the camera uh i think you lost a couple balls and tc had like a 15 footer for birdie which i think kind of sums up the uh the volatility of of that golf yes i'll remember as well there was some flack being tossed around and on socials just like oh yeah no laying up like you guys are laying up on the on i was like it's like a 650 yard par 5 street under of the wind. Yeah. That's a real, you weren't there, man. You don't, you don't really know what it was like. Uh, the, I would throw out just kind of the resort. Um, what's that? I don't know the right way to say it. Like kind of the resort set up without it feeling like a resort. I was, I was, that was unexpected. Yeah. Kind of a vacation, rent a cabin, play golf, rent a boat, do some water skiing, but you're in the middle of Nebraska. Was it, that was an immediate like, oh this is not it's just not what i was expecting i was expecting a lot of cornfields uh there was a lot of that but that was a um yeah just a bit of a zag and a cool kind of um cool kind of yeah vacation spot that felt like it was in the middle of nowhere that had a great golf course attached to it so that was a if you're within a couple hours drive you i'm sure you already know about this place but if not uh seemed worth checking out seemed like a very fun kind of family or buddies sort of destination. We tried to stop at Pelican Beach, but simply were drawn away by the gravitational pull of the rodeo, the Arthur Rodeo. Shout out to the friends we met along the way there and the barbecue truck that we got to go to. Anything, TC, Pelican Beach? I know we didn't get to go there, but any kind of overview of that? No, I think it's like both Bayside and pelican beach i think uh it's messing with me because on the on the bayside website it says dan axlund and dave proctor and it just makes me second guess it's dave axlund and damper right correct um so they've they both you know they were shapers and architects in their own right at at sand hills but wild horse and then you know they're the architects of record at wild horse and continue to work on it and then they also did uh bayside but then one of them did pelican beach so i felt like it was going to be a you know a good a good add-on a little bit out of the way for us i mean there's only like you know there's a road every 30 miles out there too and uh but yeah we we were driving by driving by the rodeo and arthur like oh man like all right we got to stop there um and yeah so sad to sad to miss pelican beach uh we've we've joked shoe program 24-hour lockdown shout out to denzel um but but yeah you know yeah just i think another one along another reservoir that's just uh you know yeah like whoa we're in nebraska yeah uh big shout out to the bunkhouse in Arthur. If we've got any listeners, listeners there, great place to wet the whistle. Yeah. I want to meet some of those people that ride there, apparently ride the horses into the bar. Uh, we didn't get to meet any of those people, but it sounds like, uh, that's a great place. I'd love to revisit sometime in my life. Neal's a big sable horse, right? A cowboy kind of guy. Exactly. Sure. A real, yeah. Yes. That's, that's, that's right. Frederick Peak was the next one. we went, a Tom Lehman joint. It was 10 holes, right? You buy nine, you get one free, which was great. That was a little bit of driving from, like, that was a big day. We flew into Denver. We stopped at the J&L Cafe in Stapleton outside of, you know, just outside the Nebraska State line. Went and played Bayside. Went to the rodeo. Went to the bar, then drove two and a half, three hours up to Valentine. I was like, I'm trying to prepare you guys for like, hey, I'm not going to lose you guys day one here. It was a true travel day. I think it's important that we rip up to Valentine, check into the Comfort Inn, get there that night, be able to stay there two nights. But man, that was a lot of travel that day. You must have so many Comfort Inn. I'm such a moron. I had a, uh, on top of that, I had 10 string challenge going that much. So I, I hit the, the broken elliptical at the comfort in at like 1. AM. You must have so many comfort in points, uh, after, after this trip as well. That's private. That's private. I don't, I don't, I don't want to divulge, you know, I'm a, I'm a platinum member now at the choice hotels. Quick break to hear a word from our friends at golf pride for more than 75 years. Golf pride has been trusted by golfers at every level to deliver grips. that perform when it matters most. From tee to green, it's all about confidence in your hands. Most golfers spend plenty of time thinking about putters, maybe not enough time thinking about a grip. That's where Golf Pride's all-new. 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We were talking about this in the car because all of us live in fairly big cities, you know, and don't have a ton of touch points to like very small towns. And so you get into a town like that with 300 people, 400 people in some of those towns, Valentine's a little bit bigger, but not much. And we're kind of joking about it. Like, well, what would you, you know, if you moved here, no laying up doesn't exist. You get dropped into this town. Like, what do you, what do you think you're doing? What's your, what's your move? And then we met Steve. We're like, I think I'd try to just do that. Like that, you know, set up a golf course, a community golf course in a small town. Like, man, I don't know. that might be the playbook that's shout out to him uh but yeah it was so cool too of like like steve was talking about how the um when they built it that you know the the local high schoolers they taught them you know like they they built the clubhouse themselves and basically had all right yeah they taught the local high schoolers like how to do you know electrician work how to do the siding on the clubhouse how to how to put the flooring in in the you know and it's yeah it truly felt like a center of like a center of gravity just a focal point in the community right from the start there yeah uh i'll remember that downhill par three uh was was severe i remember that downhill par five that just felt like you're on hitting off the edge of the earth down you know 200 feet uh and i'll remember the homemade signs you you shouted that out neil that was that's handcrafted stuff. Big walk. I was gassed. Like I saw Ian Gilley Sugarloaf Social Club posted, like he did a Nebraska trip. Gosh, this was probably six, seven, eight years ago. And I remember him posting a bunch of carousels from that. And it's always been on their hidden gem map. So this place has always been, you know, like you want to talk about different landscapes and landforms like that i was like whoa where is that like you know filed that away in the back of my mind it's just been like a source of inspiration to get there for a long time but they also had that um it was like that little that little structure that was along the creek or along the river there and they dammed up the thing and then it the dam broke like almost immediately uh back in the what was that the 30s or the 40s yeah just a big yeah kind of concrete structure up in the air in the middle of the woods. That was, that was, I will say we like a big walk for a community course. Keep the, keep the community healthy. Yeah, exactly. From there, we moved on to the Prairie Club. I think a couple of cool things to shout out about the Prairie Club is a kind of a, it sits on the land right adjacent to Caprock Ranch, which is the private Gil Hance, Jim Wagner golf course up there. It is a, it's a cool model that I know exists in a lot of places, but I hadn't really been to one of these places, I don't think, where it's 36 holes and they basically flip flop each day. The members have one of the golf courses private to the membership one day and the public has the other one and then they flip. So you play one course on if you're a member, you play one course on Monday, you play the other course on Tuesday and then you probably head out or whatever. But if you're the public, you still have access to both. It's just a cool, very cool model that I hadn't really seen that seems to make a lot of sense for those types of resorts that are far flung that takes some getting to uh but maybe can't necessarily sustain their own private uh sort of membership just kind of felt like a true best of all best of all worlds it seems like they have a really cool thing going there with that they did a great lunch they do a great lunch there yeah awesome lunch it was a really a lot of fun energy at prairie club i just sensed like man if i can't have so much fun staying here for two days playing golf dawn to dusk with the horse course and uh and and the two big courses just a lot of options and and um look like very comfortable amenities i thought you hate course uh i hated how i played on the horse course i was uh i was beating myself up he was making up the rules it's classic tc no i i got my ass kicked on the horse course but i liked it uh maybe not for that format but i loved it i think the ultimate uh compliment to the prairie club so kevin jackson who i mentioned uh our editor uh was not on this trip uh but booked a his own trip to prairie club before he finished editing he's like oh my god i'd never yeah this this place is it like i'm going here uh which is a pretty good good testament but i think it's also file that one away too for like hey like we need to go back and do here's all you know all however many 40 some you know 48 holes whatever prairie club because i think like going around it's the dunes course in the in the forest course or the pines pines course you know dunes course looked crazy like you just you know awesome thrilling shots around dunes and crazy greens and stuff and then the pines course was designed by our our guy graham marsh yeah who did ocean dunes ocean dunes king island which was nuts to like put those like two and two together but we kind of all were like hey who designed this place i think we were all like seeing some yeah like weird deja vu stuff and then when we like uh heard his name we're like oh my god yes i have seen this before you know i have seen this style before he has a he has a flourish to his design totally reminded me of remember that place we played in like on the montana british columbia border yeah i uh i can't remember the name of it something you know wasn't the wilderness club but it was it was a nick fowler or it was a it was a gary player design and i remember being there and we were playing the 17th hole and i remember being there and i texted rob collins and i was like rob like this is really weird like i'm at this course in in montana or it was either montana or you know western canada there and i swear to god like this this green reminds me of this green at sweeten's cove it's crazy it's uncanny he texts back he's like oh yeah i shaped that green and it's like there's just something in the dna of yeah you know of some of these architects where it's like you can see their their dna on something very very clearly i think uh other notable things about the prairie club probably where we met you know hate to say the mvp of the trip but but certainly shortlisted uh our guy roger the coo big rod just drove us around at approximately 85 miles an hour that atv just haranguing the uh the members you know shouting stuff that that you could see in the video i mean just a shot of life uh i think think in the best possible way. Part stand-up comedy, part National Park Service tour guide. I mean, it was just electric stuff. I could have done that for six or seven days without getting bored, I think. I think Roger might be the personification of the caboose that got loose. He's just living there along the river in his happy place. Yeah, he's the man. Did you guys notice that he, on the horse course, he showed up with a really, really dirty white t-shirt? and then he changed into a clean white t-shirt and i i was like god i i kind of want to get to a point in life where i just wear white t-shirts should like that's that's that's good stuff uh yeah just but but genuinely like an awesome way to uh to see the property too because we didn't get to play the golf courses but i weirdly remember those two courses uh better than some of the other ones i've i've seen on trips like this you know just him going around and i might be hitting that point in my life where i'm just like i don't even know if i need to play anymore i kind of get more of a kick out of just going around and looking at stuff in detail and have an expert point stuff out to me. I don't know if I need to play it, but I love talking about the exercise. I think my favorite moment of the entire trip was that or one of them maybe top three favorite moments was just taking a dip in the river yeah there and looking up and just respecting the canyon physically respecting respecting the fuck out of the canyon uh well while we were down there you could look up to the top of the canyon you could see the flag sticks from cap rock ranch which is just like how close those properties are just so far up there though that canyon's huge not what i was expecting uh but again just kind of a funny, you know, a funny element to this trip where I'm like, okay, I haven't heard of a million golf courses in, uh, in Nebraska, but I know they're out there and I know they take some driving and it was just very funny to be like, oh, these two are like touching. Huh? That's, you know, so there was land that was originally owned by, uh, the people who own the Prairie Club, I believe who sold off that land to Caprock folks to develop that gosh, probably, I don't know, six, seven, eight years ago now, something like that. But My gosh, was that place stunning. That was one that is, again, you almost feel a little, going back to what I was saying about Sandhills, you feel a little guilty where you're like, ooh, this is tough. I know you guys can't come see this place, but if you have a way, you should because it rules. The Caprock was kind of blew me away. High end, a little quieter over there. You know, very polished. I but I said it on the video I I don't I haven't seen a ton of Gil Hansa's original stuff and that is for me the best one I was just like whoa just just really really well routed golf course with some multiple signature holes great use of the landscape I mean it was awesome I think I think getting out to the Canyon to pay respects early can we just I don't even know if this was in the video that was that was it at cap rock on the pencils yeah yeah it's their their tagline like respect the canyon so we were yeah canyon respecters the whole the whole trip and i think for a lifetime now yeah and and yeah so you get out to it early you got you know a couple couple holes out there and then you go away from the canyon to me those were just as good the par fives were really cool it's it you know it's like because so like so often you play a course like that similar to certain courses along the ocean right where uh oh we're going back inland all right cool like you know just going to low power mode for a while anything i felt like the holes were like and i would say another thing with gill and jim courses i love trying to suss out all right i know wags designed this green because it's because it's like it's sadistic or there's something crazy going on and there's a few of those greens out there and i think one of the coolest things at caprock was the different tee boxes um it's much more about offering up a different angle than it is just adding distance and there was so much of really really messing with your eye as far as the angle like if you looked at where where various tee boxes were it was much more like you know lateral as opposed to just straight depth which is cool i don't know if that makes sense it does almost like the circumference of a circle, right? That you're kind of, you're kind of moving around. I think of that one. And this is what's crazy is again, behind the camera, I didn't even play this golf course, but I'm like, I can picture exactly what you're saying. I can picture every square inch of 15, 16, 17, 18. The, uh, the one you're talking about, it's the par three. I forget what number it is, right? It's probably 10 or five or six. No, it's later in the round 11 or something, 10 or 11 yes uh right where like that was almost felt like kingsley club number nine at kingsley where it's like man you could you could make this a 360 degree par three you know just move the t box all the way around this thing it's it just changes it so much and it's so cool especially with how much you know the wind plays a factor the firmness plays a factor it yeah i i totally get what you're saying the one thing i'll say uh they messed with me for until i finally looked it up was it is the snake river but it's not that snake river in the canyon i was like man i was like god i feel like we're pretty far in the middle of the country i didn't i thought this was landlocked uh how is the snake makes the snake start i swear is it going over the continental divide what are we doing here and it's it turns out it's a much smaller snake river so just i was glad you looked that up that was the uh you know if you have the question someone else in the class probably has that same question you know i was thinking about that for a while i'm like i keep seen snake river on all these maps what am i what am i what's going on here yeah uh i'm trying to think what else from cap rock great post round beer in the parking lot highlighted the highlight of the trip there that was that was lovely uh and then we're back and uncrustable right that's right stage i thought i made i thought i made the the the ace on 16 legitimately it's very close very very close yeah the light got good and it was like whoa yeah some good golf being played by the boys out there. Next up, we moved over to Wild Horse. We stopped at a couple different places on the drive the next day back towards Gothenburg. That's where we stopped. I think this is becoming a DJ and TC trademark I hear is just stopping at golf courses without playing them. I think I get a big kick out of that as well. Just stop driving 15 minutes, 20 minutes out of the way. Let's just go see that place. Got to stay in the parking lot, look around, throw the drone up get back in the car uh we did that at a couple fun little little mom and pop places which was great made it to wild horse for the thursday night men's league uh or tuesday night men's league i forget what night it was but a a girthy robust uh men's league going on there there's people competing out there and and you know what wild horse thursday night you know what wild horse had was the uh i think this is where we developed the the parking or the uh the pickup truck index, you know, it's like, how many pickup trucks are in the parking lot is, I don't know what it means, but I know it means, it means something as far as what my enjoyment of that golf course is going to be. And you pull in every, every member. That was like a 90, 10 ratio. Exactly. I was like, Ooh, I think I'm going to like this place. I think this is going to be a good vibe and a good, uh, you know, a good, good offering, you know, a good value proposition for this golf course. Yeah. Uh, and that's exactly what it was. TC, you've called it the great american golf course uh would you like to expound on that yeah no offense to tom coin or to our very own ben hoteling which i think his some guy's backyard was glossed the great american golf course but for me this is this is it of just everything that you want to see at at when you when you rock up to any sort of course it's got uh you got the thursday night men's league kind of thing going on you got great agronomy like i i mispronounced his name in the video but josh mayhar the superintendent out there um you know he's he's kind of along with kyle like he you know he's like the guy in i'd say not only nebraska agronomy but just probably generally speaking uh nationwide worldwide one of the one of the best ones doing it right now and you see that from start to finish out there like the the collars and the surrounds of those greens are so pure not to mention the greens themselves um you know tony and the staff inside is just just friendly you know like you you can rock up to that bar and grab a drink you can you know they do they do a nice nice dinner they do a great hot dog they got that porch out back they're building several more cabins. Um, the whole thing is just, it's like world-class and local at the same time. And I think it's, um, yeah, like that, that place reminds me of like, man, if we had more wild horses, golf would be thriving to a level that, you know, like I, like I, it's just, it, it definitely reminds me more of what you'd see in Scotland as far as great, great golf courses that are just community bound. such a good name to sum up the course you know just it you know instead of instead of a lot of race horses in the golf world in the u.s you know uh thoroughbreds it's like we need more wild horses man just anybody can rock up just no fences let's go it's gone country rope in the wind uh that's right yeah to co-sign all of it uh place i'd wanted to see forever and uh did not disappoint just i don't know what else you're i can't really belabor it i don't know what else you're looking for out of a golf course than that great shape great people great price uh just close to i-80 i mean it's thrilling holes yeah it's it's awesome and uh i don't think we're certainly not sharing the secret with anybody who lives within a couple hundred miles of that place i think that the secret's kind of out but that is a man if business brings you there if a trip like this brings you there it's just kind of inexcusable to uh to miss it yeah and props to the p like i think gothenburg's a really cool little town or little city too of just you know kind of one of those central hubs along i80 there's there's you know they pop up every 50 to 75 miles you got North Platte, Ogallala, Gothenburg, Kearney, Grand Island, all these places that kind of little stops along both the highway and the railroad right there. But Gothenburg, like there's, you know, T-Walkers was just a killer, killer lunch spot. A few other spots in town there too. So it's, yeah, and it's like, it just feels like that. I think that feels like what you think Nebraska is going to be. Yeah. Of like the stereotype of Nebraska in the best way. And then you can go up north and get weirder and get, you know, it kind of adds layers the farther north you go from a Gothenburg or a North Platte. Finally, one more break in the action to say that we are presented today by East Sands Golf Company. Listen, we're talking about golf travel. If you're looking to take a golf trip, I would recommend reaching out to East Sands. It is a husband and wife team, Nick and Haley, that we love working with. Their customers work directly with them to plan their trips, and they do it because they're obsessed with golf. In particular, they're obsessed with Lynx Golf. 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The golf course is, you know, it's not much to look at, But, man, it's just everything you need to go get out and look at some beautiful landscapes and have a great time and, you know, knock the ball around. It was we got our guy coach with the big handlebar mustache out there maintaining things. It it ruled. TC, I know you got dosed with a with a Celsius. I don't know how much of this day you even remember, but we had a great time. I mean, this this golf course will jump, you know, jump all over you if you let it. There's like, it's simple. It's not easy. Uh, if you get on the wrong side of the hole or if you, uh, you know, you get above the hole, some, some, some tough stuff out there. We played with one of the, the agronomy interns from sand Hills. Sorry. Remind me on that note, uh, Neil of like some of the strap courses we play where it's like, there's nothing to it. Don't look for anything, but if you have to hole out and hit cups, you have no chance of shooting better than like 78, like no chance. Yeah. Well, there's no hiding from the wind. It's just, it's like vast. There's just, it's, it's very exposed. Uh, but like, yeah, there's nothing to it. You will not make anything outside of two feet. You have no chance of, of making those putts. Uh, and it's just, you're going to be battling all day, even though there's, there's not much to it. Uh, it's just, it's sick. It's so fun. And like every, once every, I don't know, maybe 25 to 30 shots, I would just shank one like on the whole trip I would just shank one which was both exhilarating and terrifying at the same time but yeah we play with one of the agronomy interns uh at Sandhills they they do an awesome program there he came out with us that was great and then um you know just seeing yeah like seeing coach and his element up there too just you know messing with the with the irrigation heads and you know just kind of looking after the place was awesome you know just thinking about holes too like neil i love that you you ended up under one of the trees out there one of the few trees that's one of the very few that was great but it's you know it's very much like hey you can you can hit it 400 yards on this line but like you might have an awkward angle into the screen because the screen's tilted this way you know it's it's uh uh you played you played good golf that day too so and it was cool to see can't like cam the uh you know one of the kind of uh ogs at sand hills his son is out there uh you know grinding when we started and he was still out there grinding when we finished like there's there's juniors out there it's it's awesome it's like the centerpiece of that community i was i was gonna say one thing i i would love more of or i know i'm in the right place is when there's uh horses or cattle butting up against the golf course uh multiple times on this trip at at fredericks peak and at mullen specifically i was like oh god gotta go pet the horses you know you can throw dogs like everybody loves a course dog um at wild horse ran into a course dog i just i love having a an animal encounter while i'm playing golf you were you were pretty bummed you didn't bring your helmet i know no just jump over the barbed wire take a quick bareback ride dressage uh sure maybe next time and then i mean the kind of the main event sand hills golf club like i mentioned uh i don't know if we're breaking any news on this podcast talking about how great sand hills is uh but as advertised uh i think one of the coolest places you can possibly go in the game of golf unbelievably grateful to them for uh trusting us to film there uh i know that's not not something they just pass out lightly so that was very awesome to be able to do and kind of a i don't know lifetime sort of i don't want to say achievement but lifetime just box checked i guess like that that felt like a lot building to uh being able to do something like that at sand hills is we got we got checking boxes we got neil on the video saying that you know there's no great holes out here that it's just a bunch of sevens and eights i don't know how to yeah i didn't say that i didn't say that there's they they just don't uh it's all very subtle and it's disorienting because there's just it's vast and and so first time around you're like well i don't how one how'd you decide to go this this direction and not that direction and there you there's not a lot of landmarks so it's a place that uh i can see why members return and continue to return and i i could just see your love for this course growing with every round you play out there it's awesome it's uh i mean even holes that we didn't really feature in the in the film a good example is number four like four is like one of my favorite par fours in all of golf and the greens just this is downhill par four and the greens just kind of benched in to the side of this little knoll slopes in left to right and then if you miss low right like you're chipping uphill and you're all right cool like you're making five or six there no problem it's a thrilling second shot you know it reminds me so much of there's so many that one specific instance like there's so much stuff like that scattered throughout band and dunes which again is when you start looking at like that kind of the point of trying to go to these types of places and show them off is to see how some of these influences have kind of percolated all around And that that a great example Yeah. And just, yeah. Dick Young's cap, like great, great man status. You know? Yeah. Unquestionably. Hey guys, I've got an idea here. Just go with, just go with me, man. Just go with it. Yeah. Vision. People tell him he's crazy. No. All right. I'm going to see this thing through. And he thought through it. And then he stewarded it through the last three decades and it's retained and, you know, retained the soul of the place and not lost that rusticity and simplicity, I think. It's remarkable. And the other thing, and this is, you know, I don't want to make it sound like this is true just because we had cameras there because I'm lucky to have been there before and it didn't feel this way either, but it is not, Neil, you talked about, you know, sometimes you can show up to these great golf courses of the world and you feel a little uneasy and you're a little walking on eggshells. Like, yeah, man, it's hard to, it's hard to get out there. It's a very small membership and all of those things. But when you do get there, you don't feel like you're intruding. It is truly like, welcome on in, man. You're your member for the time that you're here. This is what can we, it doesn't feel pretentious at all. It doesn't feel like you can't pronounce the things that are on the menu. It doesn't feel like you need to, you know, act a certain way. It truly is just about like playing great golf and drinking cold beers and maybe having a cheeseburger. You know, it's like, just take all the other stuff and, and get it out of the way. And what are people actually here to do? Like play golf all day, sleep in a comfy bed and then wake up and play golf all day the next day too. It's just, it, man, it just blows me away. I love it so much. And it's such a credit to, yeah, to Cam, to Kyle, to Clint, to the whole staff there for fostering that environment. And I think also it's like, you know, respect the canyon is certainly the tagline at Caprock. I think if there's a tagline at Sandhills, it's like, it's A, respect the course, respect the staff, and like respect the porch too. because Ben's porch is like, that's kind of the, it's like the inner sanctum. And you don't like, we didn't, you know, we filmed a little bit at the end of the day up there, but like during the day, it's like, you don't want to, you know, infringe upon people. Like that's a sacred space and you don't want to, uh, you know, eavesdrop on anybody or, or record up there. Cause it's like, no, like that's, you know, people are going up there to get away from the world. Yeah. Uh, I think maybe that, that might take us to the five senses game, the big Randy honorable five senses game because I got to think maybe Ben's porch is going to get some some run in the five senses games you never listen to this in the past I think this started with maybe a trap draw that you guys were doing Randy was maybe talking about his honeymoon I think is the first time I remember it and him and his his wife cat like to play a game that's like all right favorite smell favorite sound favorite touch favorite sight favorite taste so we can start in kind of we can go in that order if that's if that's easiest but TC I'll start with you favorite favorite smell from the trip? Favorite smell? Huh. I have one if you want me to go ahead. If you need a sec, because I feel like this is an easy first-round draft pick. I mean, it's a grill at Ben's Porch, right? You get done playing golf, sun's hot, everybody kind of flops down at a table, and there's just a rip-roaring grill dishing out cheeseburgers is like that's kind of it for me that that's a hard one to beat i would say i mean that is a hard one to beat a nominee for me would be uh i just love the smell of rolling around in a ranger yeah or uh you know the the atv vehicles that kick up like a prairie club yeah and it's just like you got the fresh air but you got the dust but you got the gas i don't know it just feels like hey we're doing stuff i love there's something about that that's like you know oh oh oh you know like let's get it uh and it's it's it's more of a smell than anything than any other maybe the feel of the wind but i feel like it's more of a smell than it is any other sense i'd say the the smell of like being out there at 6 a.m with kyle you know he's he's cutting pins and we're just picking his brain for like two hours but just the smell of sunrise on a golf course that's an hour and a half from the nearest city or you know like that's that's a cool i think the smell like the smell encapsulates like what what all the other senses are doing because it's truly like a sensual experience right you've got the you know the quiet and that first light like the brightness of that but the smell to me is like it's it's just yeah it's just pure uh favorite sound i i would i don't want to squat on the wind yeah and these or lack of just a quiet of wind yeah it's like the dead silence is is my first one but i i think trains yeah um i love the sound of a distant train like wild horse there's a train every hour or so it felt like or maybe maybe i'm imagining that but just hearing a train while you're playing golf is awesome i think we got the sound of those trains right next to us at the sand hills motel that's right maybe that's what i'm thinking of too god that place was great that's a good one tc any other nominees you'll move on i would say the the sound of the rodeo i've never been to a rodeo before and just yeah i was i don't know that was cool not the gun going off but the the the signal that it's you know open the gate and then this the stomping of the horses as they're they're tracking down cows it's great favorite touch that's a it's an interesting one on this trip because it was a little bit of a a little bit of a not harsh trip but i mean it was a lot of sunburn and wind and uh scratchy kind of motels so i don't know if i wouldn't say we're i have one um that at each of these courses they had like water pumps oh that's a good well pumped and so like the the touch of that like the metal you know when you're thirsty and you're just like i'm just gonna drink water straight out of the ground is like a i don't know a very uh you could say it's not really a taste it's more of a like water feels more like a touch even if it even if you're drinking it but like drinking it out of like a tin uh ladle was was great it's a great one Yeah, Neil kind of already squatted on water there. We mentioned it earlier, but just getting in the river. Yeah, that's a no-brainer too, for sure. Felt really good. I would say also just the touch of the steering wheel on a big-ass American-made SUV. And just having the open road. I love just road trips like that and just driving and feeling like, all right, we're going to pilot this thing to some cool spots today. meet some cool people along the way and and you know yeah that was great favorite site i think for me is uh that storm rolling in to to sand hills to to truly have to be uh wrap up the trip ben captured some unbelievable shots of the lightning and the storm clouds as you're just looking out over the coolest holes in the world uh it's just a big ass storm comes in over the big sky i mean it was like that's that's hard to beat as well i would say it's the um the golden hour at cap rock but you could say the same when we were at mullen golf course like there's a uh i don't know there's almost like a filter on the light when you get out on like the vastness the vast i don't want to say plains but like in these sand hills where just it looks like you're in the 1950s i can't really explain it just looks different And I think that site that hit me a couple of times and I love it. Well said. I would say favorite site was rocking up to the drive through at the runza. And they were still, they stayed open for us. Like we, we got there. No, we got it. They didn't stay open. We got there with like two minutes to go. And I thought, you know, sometimes people close like a five minutes earlier, they shut it down and they didn't, they, they, they took our order. That was a really, really welcome site. Cause I was starving. and then neil had neil had booked the wrong dates i think for them try to book a hotel and sometimes you do it on your phone it's like the dates will reset to you know how they just like sometimes you try to book a flight and they just like they just pick like random dates like two months out be like oh yeah you know you want to go to uh monterey california march 40 like 23rd it's like no i want to go like in two weeks like what do you why do you keep defaulting to two months out same thing with the hotel tc was not pleased sorry about that that was that we all kept our wits about us yeah yeah yeah the runza was good i don't think i don't think it wins favorite taste for me necessarily i think t walkers is probably gonna get a lot of run here the pie i would throw out the the coors banquet beers that we had after that that day uh after cap rock sitting on the tailgate and just like kind of first sip of a always nice to have a cooler in the back of a road trip vehicle. Shout out to Yeti for that one. I would say I got deep in the patty melt game on this trip. Like, you know, patty melts at lunch was kind of my go-to, was really feeling those. Oh, that lunch we didn't. Yeah, what was it, TC, the Gaslight Cafe? The Coachlight. Coachlight Cafe. It did a nice lunch. It did a great lunch. Yeah. I mean, I got a shout out. uh favorite taste was you know non burger at sand hills division was was definitely the i think it was a breakfast burrito oh my god how is this this should have been our lead story mullen uh that place was ridiculously good and then also on the way not just that you guys were saying this is like the best breakfast burrito i've ever had in my life you guys were saying grandiose things about this gas station breakfast burrito you had and i was i was i so the other day i hopped on the nebraska golf associations podcast with ben uh ben vigil and he he said his his buddy like owns owns or operates that gas station that quick stop in mullen i said well please send my regards to the chef because he's doing a hell of a job yeah uh and then and then ben got us onto the uh we We stopped at a taco bell. Yeah. Just on the way back to Denver. Uh, you know, we all had like midday. What was Ben's hack? Spicy, spicy potato, taco, add beef. Yeah. Add beef. That's right. I've, I've, I've put into motion multiple times since that trip. Yeah. Uh, I also, I do want to shout out, um, we didn't make it to this place, But JD gave us the recommendation of, uh, at Ogallala, he said, quote, the water hole in Ogallala gas station that a couple of his buddies, Jeremy and TJ run, both golfers, quirky place, but might be right up the strap of his alley. We did not have a chance to pop into there. And that's one of my, my great regrets from 2025. five next time gotta have something gotta have something to do next time well i feel like we've hit a lot of uh a lot of what's on the agenda here any other kind of awards or uh or lasting sort of you know takes you you need to you get into the record here no i don't uh i want to go back and there's places you go where you're like good i like tc said earlier checked it off the list glad i saw it uh nebraska doesn't feel like that to me it feels like i would love to return i think the yeah a like you know hat off to to ben for you know all his hustle dh to you for you know all your hustle and wisdom on that front and then to kevin as well like i think kevin kevin and ben like kind of unsung heroes of our operation on the the video side of you know like for kevin to put a lot of this together that without being on the trip is like a herculean monumental task and to be able to pick up on all the the themes and characters and bits and bobs and you know kind of just hit the ground running as soon as we give him this big ass pile of footage is is never ceases to amaze me so um yeah here here i think i would Just add to that, I mean, you know, in this past year where we didn't have a tour sauce trip, we've kind of been trying to do these mini one off sort of things and figure out the right way to not necessarily like systematize that, but have a little bit better process for how we can bring those trips to life with a smaller group and a smaller footprint. and yeah, Ben and Kevin largely are the people that have brought all of that to life and they do an unbelievable job. And this trip kind of felt like the culmination of that. And, you know, what started in really like Argentina and then, you know, went as wide ranging as Milwaukee, upstate New York, Montana, Northern Ireland, all the other places that we went over the past year, like this this kind of felt like the yeah the culmination of that and kind of the best of all of those those aspects and i'm just so proud of uh how it turned out they they did an awesome job bringing it to life and i think it's important to note like that stuff's not in lieu of torres sauce or strapped it's just like it's additive and it's because we can't don't put that in the newspaper we can't go do that stuff or like you know like sometimes and you know things have like schedules have to align and all that we have plenty of that stuff planned for this year but it's like hey this is you know this is this is a different thing and it's we're passionate about why not why not exactly a lot a lot more in the hopper too right i mean there's there's uh just a bunch of stuff that's already been shot which is always kind of fun with these types of trips is like yeah a lot of times by the time they they come out it's been a couple weeks months uh so we've got a jacksonville film Guatemala, Casa de Campo, other stuff I'm even probably forgetting about by this point. So lots more coming, but this was a great high watermark, I thought. So I appreciate all the people who reached out and had some great feedback. Again, I would direct most of that to Ben and Kevin on the video front. But TC, just a job well done on executing the vision here as well, because I know this one's been rattling around for a while. It turned out, you know, we always joke, it's like if you could show me that finished product at the end of, or at the beginning, like when we're doing our first pre-production meeting, I'm like, yeah, that's kind of exactly what I want it to look like. It's always good to get to that point at the end. TC's vision, TC's Ouija board. Yeah. I think if you're going to do a trip like this, you know I wouldn't recommend doing it in the order that we did it in I think some of that's just like you have to make lemonade with all right like this is the day that we can get on this course and but this is the day that we can get on this course we but these are the places we want to go and we have to figure out how that routes and how that you know ladders up and sometimes it it creates a longer drive or it creates you know a night at the comfort inn in this place that we weren't anticipating on um which shout out the comfort in too they were great great yeah yeah free breakfast um yeah but um but yeah and just you know can't can't say enough great things about kyle heglund like one of the most competent thoughtful earnest like direct people i've ever met in golf of just you know very uh you can tell that like people that work for him the people that work with him. Just, you know, just immense respect for him. He commands respect and I think it's, it's well-earned. So yeah, undoubtedly agree. One last shout out. Josh at Wild Horse puts up the agronomy schedule on their website. And I want to say how cool I think that is. Like there's so many courses that when you're planning a trip, you don't know what you're, you know, when in the season you're planning of, you know, we could parachute in somewhere and, Oh, you know what guys, we forgot to tell you, we aerated three days ago or that sort of thing. They have aeration, they have top dressing, they have all that stuff on there and, you know, built out for the whole year. And I just think like, that's such a, a cool feature of their website, but also a reflection of like those guys have their stuff together there of, of, you know, the pro shop, the, the agronomy staff, all of that, that's so reflective of competency. And Neil, he shouted it out of there's a lot of competency going around at Wild Horse specifically, but just generally speaking in Nebraska. Just got to stay out of the Wuga. People just handle their business. Just handle your business. Get ahead. Handle your business. Love it. Well, guys, let's put that one in the books. If you haven't watched the film on our YouTube channel, go rectify that on the No Laying Up YouTube channel. It turned out great. And guys, until the next one, cheers.