Tim Cooked and Now it's John's Ternus!

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I don't want to be like everybody else. So you write your stuff in it. But when you write your stuff, your keyboard comes up. There's no way to get rid of the keyboard. There's no back button. And there's no, like the next button, the publish button is underneath your keyboard. This is an iOS bug, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I've tried it on multiple iPhones. It persists. And I've had this happen in multiple different apps. But I just think it's funny that there's not even a back button. And you can't swipe back to get to the last page. You have to fully close the app. Yeah. Reopen it. And then modify it again. And then eventually I just gave up and I was like, I guess the default text is just going out. Is that why everyone sends a default? I guess so. It's weird. I feel like I want to half blame this on Partyful, but also half on iOS. Because on Android, there's just a button to close your keyboard on the keyboard. Which is smart. But also most iOS apps don't have this problem. So it's half an iOS problem, but also half the developer not just making it above the keyboard. Yeah. So both of you. Yeah. Fix that. Make the next button in the top right so that you don't have to worry about this. and also make a back button in the top left. You know who has a lot of free time in his hands now to fix little things like this? Adam Molina? No. Tim Cook. Tim Cook. Tim Cook doesn't use this stuff. Yeah. We'll talk about more. Actually, you know, let's just talk about it now. Apple CEO Tim Cook. Tim Cook. He has announced that he is stepping down in September and he will be moving to the board, chairman of the board. He will be succeeded as CEO by John Ternus. We all kind of have been reading that this is going to happen at some point. Everyone keeps asking, Tim Cook, what's your legacy going to be when you leave? And he's like, I ain't going anywhere. And then, boom, it's now announced and official. Even a month ago, he said, I have no plans on retiring anytime soon. They do the Apple thing where they're like, I cannot speak about future products or events. Boom. And then it just happens. And we're like, ah, you knew the whole time. So many thoughts. I do plan on putting together a video, but this is a good sounding board. I want to fire some thoughts at you guys and see what you think. So first of all, Tim Cook's career at Apple, pretty goaded as a company. Pretty insane. Like just as far as like people invest in Apple, they went from a sub half trillion dollar company to a one trillion to a two trillion to a three to a four trillion dollar company. That's crazy. This guy is good at steering that ship, supply chain wizard, shipping tons of products, creating tons of revenue, lots of services. So if you want to analyze Apple post-Steve Jobs' era as a company, they were a very successful company under Tim Cook. Very hard to succeed Steve Jobs, but he did that. But people are excited for John Ternus as CEO of Apple because John Ternus was the senior VP of hardware engineering. And I've talked to him about hardware many times. He is a product guy. He's into making good hardware, which is really exciting. uh you might have also watched the tim cook interview where i asked him about products and it became very clear that he is not thinking about that stuff as often the magic mouse yeah you can see the gears turning in his head yeah trying to remember first of all what is a magic yes absolutely and then second of all what do i say about a mouse yeah and the word he came up with was ergonomics nothing against tim cook possible thing yeah like that's that's not it Like it was kind of a meme. But so nothing against Tim Cook. Like he has his leadership style. It was very successful. But you could also kind of see the influence of, you know, Johnny Ive leaving and like the sort of new design language of Apple products. I think the MacBook Pro is a really good example. Yes. Of the design language at Apple changing. Yeah. Going from being super thin and sleek, too thin for its own good and thermal throttling and keyboard issues because of the butterflies, which is all this stuff. Yeah. And now being like thicker, having real ports, being super powerful, and Apple Silicon, you know, coming up and being super important. So a lot of good stuff happened under Tim Cook. But now I think it's even more exciting for product focus. For sure. Yeah, we haven't really had a product CEO at Apple since Steve Jobs, which, I mean, it was only Tim Cook in between. So there's that. But, you know, Steve Jobs made a lot of interesting, weird stuff. And I think it would be cool to have more interesting, weird stuff. We had Vision Pro. Yeah. uh they possibly committed a little too hard division pro because apple doesn't like to ship anything that it doesn't think is going to be a hit that's i've been thinking about this a lot and like the the companies that we cover we talk about google a lot we talk about you know samsung a lot here in the u.s there's a lot of companies who ship a lot of products and famously kill them like the google graveyard is immense and these companies kill products for various reasons maybe they're just not scaling well maybe they're a total failure no one used them maybe they're a negative impact company whatever but they kill products all the time when apple kills a product once in a while it's like it's this huge deal yeah even when they only kill like a wireless charging pad they're going to make yeah it becomes kind of lower which they don't acknowledge until like years later yeah they're like ashamed of any little failure that they've had where they announced something and it didn't work apple intelligence is the latest massive embarrassing failure yeah so apple doesn't really make that many stuff things and i was i was thinking about this analogy i'm gonna throw it off you guys and see how it hits your ear uh samsung and google are like youtubers that upload every day they're like daily vloggers yeah they'll throw out a new thing if it works great they'll throw out another thing the next day and another thing the next day and another thing and you can never really get too hung up on if one of the things fails and if something scales and does super well yeah great we might do a follow-up of that yeah we might do it again the next year yeah but they're kind of just uploading all the time apple is like the youtuber that uploads every six months michael reeves for every four months right yeah just like every couple months and just straight bangers and it's fine it's usually bangers they clearly spend a lot and like really commit a lot of the company and a lot of the future to it and they have future plans and they're like this is a huge commitment blah blah and they they use that language too this is revolutionary for us this is a massive deal and so when one of them doesn't quite hit you can't you can't hide because the next thing is months away and you did you did just talk pretty grandly about it and so it's kind of been like a little bit embarrassing because you so that's why i think they don't they don't try as many different things that i want them to i wish apple made camera a printer a bunch of random stuff that they don't make a home pod with a screen like there's tons of stuff that i would like them to try but they're not the daily uploader they're like behind the scenes scheming for months on the big upload yeah for sure yeah it's like the weight of your expectations i kind of i think christopher nolan could maybe be a good analogy for apple because it takes a really long time for them to out with a new thing when they do they try really hard to have some revolutionary innovative thing they're almost always bangers but there's always a movie like tenant that you're like what is this for who is this for shut the f**k up i haven't seen it but i haven't actually seen it but that's the vision but it's not interstellar it's just not no i mean interstellar is like the iphone yeah you know tenant is the vision pro most people don't understand it yeah that's good and some people yeah some people will never try it and have just heard bad things about it and they're like why did i spend the money like me yeah so yeah i don't know i mean i it's interesting because i don't necessarily foresee apple shifting to trying a lot of new stuff again it's like again it's the weight of your expectations and because apple has only shipped bangers generally you know there have been some weird things here and there people scrutinize the hell out of them when they don't ship good stuff um and there are like a million iphones now like i was kind of thinking about this they didn't necessarily expand into a ton of new product categories but the products that they do have they have sort of decided to fill that every price point thing oh yeah like samsung does so safe yeah it's it's very safe yeah instead of making a folding phone and a flat folding phone and then a skinny phone and then a flipping phone like samsung they're just like here's the iphone and here's the other iphone yeah and the other iphone and the other iphone yeah and that's tim cook's version of a variety of products and one could argue that there are almost too many skews of all of these devices at this point i think that's a fair argument i kind of think we have too many yeah i don't think that the iphone um what is the the cheap one now what is it called well there's the the 17e and then there's the base iphone and then there's the air now and then there's the pro and then there's the pro max and there's the ipad and then there's the ipad air and then there's the ipad pro and then there's the macbooks that kind of like start the price ladder is real and they do make a lot of money selling a lot of stuff but it doesn't feel like a real variety yeah there was a good there was a really good um snazzy q video a few weeks ago about how the neo kind of destroyed the macbook air i like that yeah because you know the air when it originally launched was that manila folder like it was breaking barriers like thing and now it's you know it's it's thin ish but it's not insanely thin and it's good and it's got a bigger screen but it's like more expensive in a weird way and at this point they i think they need to they need to lean into turnus's hardware engineering background to actually like if if they're not going to expand a new product categories again i would like to see them reinvent their current product product categories they have make the air like insane again you know what i mean and it's it's surprising that when the m chip revolution happened they didn't actually take that opportunity to you know make the johnny ive era of everything being omega thin just like oh a normal computer but it's omega thin yeah i'm glad that they went the thick boy macbook pro route because we're power users and we like to have that extra headroom but you know they kind of i mean they have an opportunity now to make the macbook air super super super thin and still faster than the neo yeah yeah the there are so many and this is as a product reviewer you see a lot of this there are so many products from apple that shipped in the last couple like 10 years that are simply the same product with a new chip or like or like shuffling parts around the same couple of things yeah so you'd review uh i and you see a lot of this language from apple because they kind of also in press land like pretend other companies don't exist a lot of times yeah so they'll say this is our new product it has this from our other product and this other thing from our other product and now it's the new thing even though it's using old things right okay iphone 17e they'll just go it's the screen from this old iphone and the chip from this other iphone and the camera from this other iphone yeah and now it's a new phone parts bed phone and that's tim cook genius at work because we we are you know supply chain maxing right now that is what they do so yeah Now they're a $4 trillion company, a little bit uninspiring, I think. They do have big swings every once in a while, but I'm excited for a little bit more variety, potentially. Yeah, some people were also saying, now that Tim Cook is just sort of the chairman of the board, he can go do all the political things, right? Because it was always kind of weird to have him being the CEO and also having to deal with the administration and all the stuff like that. now the CEO of Apple can just focus on running Apple and Tim Cook, because he's still sort of affiliated with the company, can go deal with all the politics. Yeah, that's what I'm curious about what the job actually is, because I didn't really get to ask Tim that, but I kind of just want to ask, like, what is running Apple like? Like, is John Ternus' job going to become way less input on new hardware and ideas and way more running Apple? Because that is part of the job. You got do a lot of that sort of stuff so i'm curious about that yeah john johnny seruji is taking over as head of hardware he was the guy that he's always in the labs in the video talking about the m chip surrounded by mac pros yeah and pro display xdrs yeah which the mac pros are what are they going to do now with the mac pros this is going to be mac studios if they look so much more impressive i know they really do they're great background video props yes they are because they look really cool but he's taking over his head his head of hardware which is really interesting because you know he's great at making chips obviously that's his thing but the question is like do his hardware chops match up you know yeah that's going to be really interesting to see other products that you wished apple would make that maybe they have a better chance of making now that it's uh someone who's in charge of hardware i mean i would love a camera same i they're not going to do it probably because i think that the camera market like i think canon makes most of its money on their super super cheap cameras right like the prosumer market for cameras is not that big interesting um and apple i believe still uses sony for its for its sensors yeah apple has the you know they they seem like the company that could start making their own center that would be sick yeah that would be sick i mean putting their d-ram directly on the chip and making it go straight to the camera and being doing computational photography on a large sensor sale size that could be interesting an a18 might have enough juice to be like a pretty sick image processing engine oh it already is yeah it already but you know add the way more pixels but could it do do you think it's powerful enough to function on a lot like an aps-c sized sensor probably yes if you dedicated the entire chip to image processing yeah i think that's what i'm saying they definitely got enough a18s yeah but even just to make the iphone camera better you You know what I mean? I mean, they probably have a relatively deep level of integration based on how early they get the chips from Sony and what they talk to them about and what they want them to build it on. But I would like to see deeper integration of that. And then maybe, yes, maybe they could make another camera. Because remember, they did make a camera that was made by Fujifilm. It's a quick take? Yeah, it was a Fujifilm camera that was Apple branded. I was going to say, they're never going to make a camera because they would just tell you that they make a camera already. Yeah, that's true. Well, okay, yeah. It's not a big enough market either. I was watching the AirPods Max 2 came out, and there's reviews out there now. And it's basically like, yeah, they're the same. And I'm like, this is such a Tim Cook thing. They're just reusing. They have all these, okay, H2 chips, ship them. It's the same product over and over. And I'm like, what would convince Apple to actually spend interesting money developing new stuff? What would convince Apple to make good AirPods Max? Competition. Competition feels like... There's a lot of competition. it's out there now like it's not necessarily all in the same buckets like they are the only ones doing this metal build uh weird case thing uh but their battery life's not competitive but their sound quality is decently competitive but the integration with the iphone has always been the thing that's not you can't really compete with it it's weird their walled garden allows them to not really have competition even if there are other headphones that are sound just as good have just does good connectivity you know battery life lasts just as long the integration is always going to be them only and so you can't really compete with that yeah at the end of the day i just feel like if i worked at apple hardware and i was like you know biting at the chomping at the bit or whatever it's called to like make real improvements to airpods max and then the order comes down from tim cook and he's like same design same case same everything just throw the h2 chip in there and call it a day we're gonna ship millions of these and you're like dang i really want to do something interesting i feel like maybe that's the door that can be opened by this could be maybe it's safe to keep shipping the same thing over and over again yeah i mean um there's some crazy statistic about like airpods pro and how they would be like one of the top 15 companies in the world or something if they just were just a company yeah so yeah i don't know i i personally think that we're over-indexing a little bit on his decision making when it comes to hardware design and stuff like that i think apple is probably a complex enough organization that these decisions mostly get made by like the middle managers and he just approves things yeah he just signs things you know what i mean yeah some of my earliest to ceo interviews when i actually got answers from them i would ask them like what that's like being a ceo and it's like honestly most of the decisions don't get to you and if they do they are the hardest decisions that had to be passed up the chain yeah where it's like you know decisions about the future of the company or like really difficult technical and moral decisions about what products they should do yeah where if it's just hey you know there's a simple update for airpods max out there we can just like take that market share and keep going should we do it that doesn't even really make it to him no and that's how you end up with him going we make a magic mouse yeah oh what is that what is that am i the only one thinking not a lot is going to change no i that's what i mean yeah there's very much like as a four trillion dollar company you are a thousand percent like a huge boat with many small oars and no one person is going to steer the whole boat in a totally new direction it's very fair to assume that this is going to be a smooth yeah handover with minimal risk to investors and the minimal changes in almost everything we're not talking about all birds over here okay yeah yeah that's the opposite that's the opposite yeah so i think you know i don't even know what the stock price is doing but And I'm sure investors are like, oh, how is this going to go? I'm sure Tim Cook is also going to give a ton of guidance about supply chain stuff. He's still going to be involved. He's still got to do Tim Cook things. Speaking of Tim Cook things, I pulled some quotes from their PR release that I just found interesting. Mainly, Apple Services has been a major force. We didn't even talk about services. Yeah. Apple Services has been a major focus area of Cook's. And during his tenure, the category has grown to become a more than $100 billion business, the equivalent of a fortune 40 company yeah just the services that's insane that's tim cook that's 30 of every tap you do on the iphone yeah exactly i mean it makes sense yeah we didn't even talk about the services he really did grow all of those monthly ecosystem services yeah crazy i i wonder i think fitness plus might get reduced soon to be honest because they put a lot of money into that and that seems to be one of their weakest services yeah apple tv plus also spends way too much money um but i think that they like kind of being the new hbo so that's probably fine you know what i also think about a lot randomly there's a lot of companies they could acquire yeah to just like like a peloton or like a random like fitness related company that could really boost their quality of product but they never seem to do it yeah and that's another thing i don't know if that's going to change at all i feel like they don't want to do that because they don't want to dilute their own brand you know it's kind of risky to do that when apple already has such a like really really good identity and if peloton gets in trouble for doing something pelotony because they always have um then apple gets the flack for it and doing that to beats was like the last time they did something like that was a long time ago yeah that was a long time ago i guess i just mean like if they have a really weak product offering like people are talking about this with ai but just if they have a weak product and there's a company that's way smaller but that's doing a lot of really good stuff that they not doing they can copy some of it they can make their own version of it that ties into the iphone or whatever but i always think of them as the iphone company and if they ever wanted to like quickly expand and make a whole bunch of way better things maybe that's a route but they yeah they never seem to do it i mean because when you think about it it's like what could they really expand like you asked me the question what product would they make if i if i could wave a magic one what would you want them to make because i just i don't really know of a lot of alarm clock like just a dedicated alarm clock yeah i want they'd say your phone's an alarm clock i know but i think the idea that like instead of expanding into more services they expand into more hardware peripherals it's like you think they do that no but that's kind of what you want that's what i want yeah and it's it's what i think someone like turnus would be positioned to do but i don't think i think you're right that like anything they do dilutes the power of the of the iphone yeah yeah totally so it's the everything device also it's funny to think of them as the iphone company because i think there's an argument to be made that apple is actually an earbud company that just happens to make watches as well well both of those companies are just accessories to the iphone i know but like like you could make the argument that like while the iphone is like a game-changing thing it still is not like global market share whereas the best-selling audio product and the best-selling watch of all time are both apple products yeah true but both of those markets combined are like a fraction of the size of the smartphone market yeah and the apple watch only works on the iphone so you you need like by definition an iphone to sell an apple watch yeah yeah so yeah it's like they they obviously had a ton of success with the iphone and they will never ship something that steps on the feet of the iphone yeah but every time they do ship something new their first move is to make it the one that works best with the iphone yeah so if you have an iphone you are more likely to get this one than any competition that's true about their headphones it's true about their you know the way the max and the ipads talk to the iphone and iCloud and all this stuff everything is a part of this ecosystem and that's their strategy number one i want to see a return of the home pod and more form factors for the home pod i want to see them properly compete with sonos and wire that all over your house i feel like that's the next step for them yeah a tv everyone thought they're gonna make a tv for a while they never did that and And they just made the Apple TV, which is a TV, you know? Yeah. But what if, I mean, they make the Apple TV, Apple TV. And Apple TV. And Apple TV Plus. No, not Plus anymore. They killed the Plus. Oh, just Apple TV? Yeah, it's all Apple TV. So you can watch Yo Dog. Heard you like Apple TV? So you can watch Apple TV on your Apple TV. Call you Apple TV. I think I got that trivia question from a tweet that was like, Apple makes three products called Apple TV. None of them are TVs. Steve Jobs would lose his mind. Yeah. Yeah, so there's lots of things that I'm curious if they're going to start to jump into or dip their feet into, and we'll see. Yeah, well, I hope that John Ternus says good morning very loudly. He's got to have a new intro. That's like a rapper's signature line. That's true. You can't take his bar. What is up? You need a new bar. Yeah. I forgot what he said when he did the MacBook Neo event. What did he say? I don't remember. That wasn't streamed, so. It wasn't streamed, so I don't actually remember what he said because I didn't take a video of it. Did he say, hi, everyone? Probably. Probably something like that. That sounds like what he said. One of the odds he gets on stage and goes, what's that? I need it. Not zero. There's definitely a Polymarket link somewhere. Yeah. So he takes over in September. So I... Good thing Apple does nothing in September. Yeah. I'm curious what happens at Dub Dub. Is it going to be Tim that comes on stage? Probably. I don't think Tim has. Has he come on stage at Dub Dub? Yeah. Oh, really? He comes before the video starts. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Doesn't he open Dub Dub? Yeah, he comes. So it happens in real life. I thought they always, Dub Dub, the video thing always starts with Tim on the roof or something. Yes, it does. But also he comes out in person. Yeah, so what happens is when you go to WWDC in person, they start, everyone's sitting in the same space and looking at the same screen. And they actually have someone come out on stage, usually Tim Cook or Craig Federici because it's Dub Dub. And they come, sometimes both. And they come out and they say, welcome to WWDC. So happy to have you all here. They'll say like one or two generic lines and then they'll walk off stage into the front row and then they'll start playing the video that everyone sees on the stream. And then it's Tim Cook and him again on the screen. So lately, so the MacBook Neo event, they had, you know, the announcement videos and everything. But that, no Tim Cook to be found anywhere. It was just John Ternus on stage and I think one or two executives with him. But he was clearly like the welcome everyone to the thing that I'm showing you person. test fed uh so yeah that happened once that'll probably happen again in september i believe dub dub well yeah i don't know i think there would be a lot of hype if he came out if john i think that's probably what they'll do i think that's probably what they'll do yeah yeah but dub is like a software thing it is but you're kind of like the he kind of sets the tone of like welcome to the thing and then passes it to the software people yeah so you're saying john turnis will come out or tim cook will come out i think john turnis will come out as the i'm about to be the CEO. And I think Tim Cook has done his last keynote. Really? That's what I was going to ask. So you think we're not going to get one more Tim Cook good morning? I think we're going to get some sort of cheeky little thing. Tim Cook is going to come out and airdrop the CEO position to John Ternus. I could see that. That'd be funny. So maybe Dub Dub is the last Tim Cook and the first John Ternus. He's going to send him an Apple Events invite to become CEO. he's gonna be a meeting with hr on his calendar i wonder if they'll put that in the dub dub intro video this year because you know that everyone's gonna like some easter egg people are gonna be so excited about about the whole thing it's kind of this is a cult you know it's funny the amount of people who are like what about craig why isn't he the ceo because he's the one who's like the most charismatic on camera he's still in charge of all the software yeah so that's not he's got falcon here you just got to pick somebody yeah i'm glad i mean hopefully he reverses course with liquid ass so well you know tim cook might have had his amount his events that he was going to keynote set to zero but you know what else uh you can now set to zero what youtube shorts on your phone what yeah i still watch shorts on your phone yeah crazy yeah yeah this is what confused me about this because shorts are made for the phone right vertical video tiktok instagram reels youtube shorts all this stuff is vertical because it's on your phone yeah they won't give us this feature on tvs or desktop yeah so shorts is still available on youtube desktop right like if you're on a computer you go to youtube you'll still get shorts there for sure but i have the option on my phone which is what it was made for yeah to turn it to zero does it not sense percolate across all your devices oh i imagine the settings on the phone and then it but i updated my app this morning and i still didn't have the option to set it to zero oh i have the option to set it to zero so maybe i'll do that and see if it populates see if it populates on your on your device on your laptop but yeah so previously you know there was a shorts time limit and i'm guessing this is sort of like a parental thing where parents could make sure that their kids were not just like brain dumping on shorts all day yeah and the options were in 15 minute increments and it could be 15 minutes 30 minutes 45 minutes an hour that's the verb for it by the way brain dumping brain dumping yeah yeah yeah um brain maxing and now apparently you can set it zero again i still didn't have this option um but i really wish that more social media apps would give you this option because like i've said sometimes instagram really sucks me in for 45 minutes never gonna well instagram leans on reels and tiktok obviously is tiktok so i feel like there's something tiktok too this feels like how it should be though like i don't mind having shorts and reels on my phone whatever if you have the option if i have the option to go to it i don't like being served it but it affects their bottom line yeah i don't give a you don't guess it's too it's too big of a bottom line yeah for youtube it's a fraction of their bottom line for instagram and for tiktok it's too much of their bottom line to give you that option it's surprising to me that youtube is even allowing this in the first place well flex yeah kind of i like it we're healthier yeah you know so yeah kind of weird and then you get sucked into long form yeah uh speaking of something disappearing oh nice good shorts disappeared for some people if you want nothing uh we we kind of missed the story last week because it happened like during the podcast episode last week while we're recording yeah but it also didn't happen it yeah it's schrodinger's airdrop clone uh nothing last week released an airdrop competitor called warp for a few hours um it was gone like three hours after they released it they deleted all traces of it from social media android authority got a statement from them asking why they deleted it and nothing said our product team has temporarily removed the nothing warp file sharing application to make necessary improvements based on early user feedback and technical evaluations that was quick this is not a permanent removal but rather a strategic pause to enhance a product's performance and ensure it meets our high quality standards. So normally that's just a software update. So there's more reasons why they had to remove it. I hear this is a security nightmare. So we pulled it. Either legal or security or both. The site CyberNews was speculating that it was extremely close to an open source tool that was already available and it looked almost identical. That's funny. So it's possible that they just kind of took the open source tool and released it as their own thing and then they got blowback from it i'm guessing it's more of a security thing apparently the way that this worked was that it would upload the file to google drive uh send it to the other person auto download it and then when it finished downloading it would delete it off the google drive that's crazy which is really weird really funny actually it's possible google just didn't like this violates their terms of service or something for google drive i'm not sure i'm thinking wouldn't that mean that there has to be some sort of automation to automatically delete something from a user's Google Drive. Yeah. Which doesn't sound like Google would be okay with that. No. No, I think... No, because you can delete stuff off of your Google Drive with the Google Drive API. I've built tools that do that. I think it's more like... I don't think you can build a commercial service that piggybacks Google Drive. I think that's the... Maybe that's why. It's interesting that they even gave the statement and that they said it is a temporary pause. but you know it could be an indefinite pause could come back could not yeah tbd tbd i like how this is now a thing like it seems like everyone has an airdrop oh 100 kind of thing i there's a phone that will okay embargo will be out by the time we talk about this uh oppo's phone but this is also not just this phone where there's like a seven or eight page section of their review guide, which is just clones of Apple features, where they'll be like, install this Oppo app on your Mac, and then you will be able to use AirDrop on your Oppo phone. And install this Oppo app on your Mac, and you'll be able to mirror your Oppo phone on your Mac. They are selectively going in and picking Apple ecosystem features and then making a companion app that lets you have a version of that so that if you are in Apple's ecosystem, you can still use Oppo's phone. Didn't they make some sort of workaround where you can also use your apple watch on yes that's another one yeah so you have a you have a specific app on your phone yeah and then i don't even think you need an iphone i think you get the apple watch and then it can work with the oppo phone yeah i think the iphone when you set it up right and then yeah you need an iphone to set it up that wouldn't shock me yeah but still yeah it's so deliberate it's like wow i can't really switch to the oppo phone because i use an iphone and all these accessories oh hold on hold on we've got an answer oh but you can we went so long without any of these and now i know it seems like there's a million of them why is it all happening now it is strange it is strange europe europe possibly europe possibly europe we love it all right well uh we got a lot more stories coming up we clearly don't want to save the best for the beginning i guess blow through the best at the beginning so we're going to do something um that lasts longer than uh tim cook's tenure which is trivia so we have to do 15 years trivia i kind of yeah lock in i hope waveform is still going in 15 years same yeah when i'm 45 all right guys tim cook is stepping down like we just covered uh and this i thought would be the perfect excuse to ask a question about the most random fact i've ever learned about tim cook which i got from a wall street art journal article came out a little bit ago it's called tim cook on why apple's huge bets will pay off by ben cohen big article when it came out um and the thing that i learned from this article that shook me to my core and one what is tim cook's favorite soda hint while it is a very common soda throughout the u.s it is not sold in apple vending machines like on campus vending machines that is correct so does he just get deliveries directly to his office he said in this interview he does not get to drink it as much as he wants interesting i do know he grew up like in the midwest so this is probably going to be a soda i've never heard of did not grow up in the midwest oh but he's right am i wrong with that i'll say because that's mine He's from the Midwest. 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I'm Midge First, two-time NWL champion, championship MVP, and forward for the U.S. Women's National Team. Before I went pro, I graduated from Harvard with a degree in psychology, which comes in handy more than you think. Any athlete pursuing greatness knows there's a certain mentality you have to have. What people don't know is what that costs. In my podcast, Confessions of an Elite Athlete, I sit down with the best athletes in the world and explore the psychology, mindset, and unseen battles on the path to greatness. So take a seat and learn from the Confessions of an Elite Athlete on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back, everybody. We all know that Google could really do some stuff to make its pixels more appealing, and specifically they could bring back features from the old Nexus days that would make it even more appealing. I can think of so many. What's your number one feature? Glowing trackball. Trackball. Ooh. Nexus One. That would be cool, but they're not doing that. Oh, darn. Can I keep guessing? You can keep guessing. Boom sound from the HTC One Play Edition. That'd be cool. It's not that? No. Sorry. Damn. Physical keyboard from the G1. you really want that no i don't you're right no moving parts um yeah okay hold on think about something that costs one cent half stage uh like two stage shutter button from the mobile droid that'd be sick but they're not doing that damn yeah not even like what about an accent power button maybe that'd be nice i'm not sure okay they've done a lot remember the panda pixel and then there was like a little orange power button oh yeah yeah that would be nice i want that so back bring it back they can bring that back squeezing the sides that was bad that was bad it was fun it was fun it never but it didn't work as well as i was hoping it totally was so there's a video of adam and i in central park shooting my pixel 4 review and just doing this and it not working it's so bad that was an era truly the best part of that video is that the only way for some reason that it worked was if you leaned over it specifically in this way that made you look like a mermaid so there's a shot where you're just like leaning on a rock like a oh that's true waiting at the phone that was one of those like you see there's so many tech demos of like where they try to like gracefully show you the feature and they're like boom and it doesn't work the first time they're like oh sorry i just gotta like do it a certain way that was one where they would try it like six times and it would work once maybe and you'd go i can tell this is gonna it was so bad well okay what is it then okay it's leds multicolor leds yes for notifications customizable well maybe customizable i'm in yeah okay super in so there was an apk apk teardown of the latest android 17 beta 4 and there's a section in it with a whole page that specifically mentions pixel glow lights which will alert you of important notifications when your device is face down pixel glow oh when it's face down yes okay so it's on the back yes on the back there should be a light bar and a bar would be nice oh i was picturing because like i There's a couple that have had pin lights. Or the glowing trackball is an example. But a little dot. So it would just be like, the yellow light means this. Oh, no. A bar. It's a bar. That's what it's supposed to be. So it's going to be RGB. They said that you can have it for notifications, for different types of notifications, like phone calls from different favorites, as well as it should animate while you're interacting with Gemini. Oh, yeah. Of course. So it should be all wavy. You know? Yeah. Do the thing. Wow. And I just think that that's a pretty sick feature. Tim Cook can never. This is crazy. I know. I really like this idea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was a long time where I was customizing Android ROMs or just had, like, you know, software settings where I could decide certain apps would glow my notification light a certain color. Yeah. So, there'd be, like, a light blue and a dark blue and a yellow and a green. Yeah. And so, I could know what the flashing color of the light meant and I can decide to check it or not. Yeah. So, this is, like, a bring that back. If this is user customizable and maybe there'll be a ROM that allows it to be user customizable, which might bring back roms who knows that'd be pretty cool that'd be sick um i think it would really help differentiate pixel devices they're kind of like at that point they're more customizable than nothing phones yeah so it's like what's nothing got on them you know yeah i mean the nothing phone has the screen on the back with like well that one a bunch of yeah like this it's this mini display and you have these uh apps that you know you get essential notifications from it's interesting yeah i think that's at least interesting yeah most phones don't have anything on the back that you can tell like what notification you got yeah so i'd like another version of that yeah um be devil's advocate here sure try so what i'll defend it i'll be devil's devil's advocate the double double yeah um okay so for the record great idea bring this back i love this but is this just google preying on our nostalgia because we have always on displays that gives us way more information it's not the phone upside down yeah but just putting the phone up you can see everything now like we have amoled this is like a solved problem that's valid uh i would say there's a couple things one i don't love always on displays i started turning them off on a lot of phones that it kind of got annoying either i would like tap the display as i'm putting it in my pocket and because it was always on it would light up as i'm putting it away and i get annoyed so i just turn it off and i started like leaving my phone face down these are face up sitting here but they're not telling me anything because i turned always on display off i would like to have them face down and just be able to know because i'm waiting for the slack notification for wawa orders i'm like oh it's the pink notification i know i should check this one so yeah are they playing on my nostalgia probably a little bit probably a little bit yeah when i'm like out with a friend at dinner or something i pretty much always flip my phone upside down because i don't like that you know i can get a notification and it shows up and then i think that the reason that this is a little bit better is because being able to glance and just be like oh it's an email that's it oh it's a text maybe i should check it but not moving your attention to exactly what the text says on the always on display you get very distracted when you're like looking at that you can just be like ambiently aware that you got a text yeah and it also helps you if you're interacting with gemini you know that it heard you because it's kind of waving around you know yeah and also just uh we like cool pretty colors and that's pretty standard you know the back of the phone is a historically underutilized spot Sometimes there a fingerprint reader back there sometimes there not Sometimes there a little display back there like the Xiaomi Pro Sometimes it not Yeah I like something back on the back It be interesting to see how they you know keep it waterproof and everything while also adding LEDs I guess it'll have to be under glasses. Shoot behind the... Yeah. Yeah. Where do you think it's going to be on the phone? If I was picturing a bar across the bottom, that'd be cool. Like a thin stripe type of thing. That'd be super cool. I like that. I think it's going to be above the pixel bar. Like right at the top? Right at the top. That little sliver there on the pixel. I'm kind of on team bottom. Careful. Nothing wrong with that, Marcus. Just saying, careful. So apparently the APK teardown also... Another one for the Supercut. Also... Another one for the David's Freebie on the Pod Supercut. We watched that, by the way. If you're out there, we watched that and we laughed. I don't think most people know what that is. Okay, so the APK teardown also indicated a Pixel laptop that is going to be released. um they try this every six years and i buy it immediately every six years yeah um but what's more exciting about this is one it's also supposed to have the pixel glow thing which i'm not really sure how they're gonna do that because computers are just very different with notifications well okay so remember the last pixel laptop yeah the cheap one that had the pixel but go no so the pixel god the names hold on i want to find the name of it but it had an rgb stripe on the back but after the cr48 yeah like the pixel yeah laptop yeah just so just that again yeah but have it light up that one didn't actually glow right i thought it did the chromebook pixel yes that one chromebook pixel did that one light up the no glow chromebook pixel is a pixel book glow pixel book go with pixel glow oh my god it let yeah it glowed that's great oh and it had what did it glow for i don't know but it's doing stuff it is doing stuff i gotta rewatch my review this is old this is 13 years old so old yeah but yeah it lit up it turned off when the laptop is off or it would light up with notifications or something on the back so that's that's the thing i would like them to bring back i mean the big question here is like when i have my laptop closed i'm like done with it you know what i mean i don't need to like see notifications on my laptop i already have my phone for that but this is potentially going to be their big android chrome os merger yeah os which means that maybe it will have a lot more direct compatibility with your phone yes here have you ever had this moment where you pull out your laptop to use it and you open it and it's got two percent battery and it's about to die you're like dang i wish i knew it was about to die oh well you know how you'd know yeah as if at 10 it just subtly softly glowed red just sitting there closed. He'd go, ah, appreciate that communication laptop. Am I crazy? You used to be able to do that on MacBooks. What would glow? No, no, no. There was a button on the bottom of the MacBook that you could hit, and then it was sort of like the battery tester. Am I crazy? Is that true? When you say bottom, you mean the bottom? Under it? I've got to research this. I'm having like a... Nothing wrong with the bottom. That doesn't sound like a Mac. I don't remember a button on the bottom. there was a glowing apple logo on the back of some of the early mac yeah just a glowing white logo yeah just a glowing white logo yeah but it never had any you know functionality other than just think so that's exactly what i want from my chromebook when the battery's about to die use more electricity well that's a tiny tiny amount i know i'm yeah yeah yeah i'm just like what other use case i guess you maybe you could use it to invoke gemini like if it's because at the end of the day they just want all of your devices to be endpoints for google assistant for gemini you know so if you have your laptop sitting on your desk and it's your most nearby device and it has like always listening or something yeah if you can control your home is that a crazy thing so like what if you know how a lot of laptops sometimes have like slightly thicker displays and they've put like compute in the top section of it sometimes like there'll be like a i'm not crazy this existed oh i do remember what computer the le the battery indicator i'm like the the pre-2012 macbooks there was a button on the left side of the computer that if you hit it would do these like leds would light up until your battery percentage i'm not crazy that's cool where were the leds though yeah where's that where were the leds the leds were also on the side oh oh that's okay the metal ones that yeah it's like a sort of a flush button with like five dots that would all light up that's cool i don't wow that's a good callback i didn't remember that at all that is cool they should bring that back so yeah the idea of like a gemini thing what if there's a little bit of compute that stays on even when you close the laptop always listening so it is like a little always listening little tiny computer soc or phone soc or something and you can still ask it hey g and the speakers are still in there they're they're gonna be muffled but they could still respond totally that could be a thing i think that'd be sick or it could be side firing speakers or bottom firing speakers so you could still hear it yeah yeah i mean apple has been quietly adding thread radios to all their devices right i feel like google could like also start adding all of these multifunctional radios and stuff to their devices. And they want you to have as many access points for Gemini as possible because they want you to use it in as many places as possible. Yeah, they want us to use it all the time. Was it Nest that had a thread radio in a thermostat or something that they just turned on after X amount of years? It was the HomePod as well. Yeah, the HomePod was silently carrying a thread radio for a long time. Yeah. There was an Apple product that did that too, but not with thread. It was the thermometer. No, an Apple product released with a radio that they didn't turn on until a year or so later with a firmware update. Wasn't that the... I thought I made a video about the... It was the second generation iPod Touch that shipped with a Bluetooth radio that they didn't announce or turn on until like a year into the... That's crazy. Wow. I really hope I remember. I'm like, my brain is filled with these like 2010 Apple products right now. I have to go double check all of them. That's really funny. Oh, iPod Touch though. Okay, yeah, I guess it makes sense. I picture my first iPad, which was like the tall nano. Yeah. That one with Bluetooth would be crazy. It would be wild. You could probably do it now. So, yeah, I mean, that's exciting. It doesn't take a lot to please tech reviewers. You just need to give us the RGB lights, and that's it. Yeah. You know? Unfortunately, I am easy to please in that way. Indeed. Indeed. All right. What is this headline about Motorola? Yeah, speaking of people who are not easy to please. Yeah. uh motorola in india is suing um social media platforms and dozens of content creators over things that were said about the company not a good look but what what are the details because maybe i'm missing something yeah so it's seeking takedown of content and broader restraint for what it deems false or defamatory material related to their devices it specifically called out that it didn't like that people had been publishing videos of their phones catching fire um which it said were fake it was saying that these things were fake but it wants to restrain people from suing and publishing this content including reviews videos comments and boycott campaigns so this is the prime uh example of the uh mandela effect right no no no what's the if you hide something Streisand effect. Yeah, Streisand effect. I had not heard about any Motorola phones catching on fire. Yeah. And now I'm curious if they're real or not. Yeah. Seems like they're insisting that they're not, but here we are. There was someone that quoted, like, last week, it was like, there's two ways to respond to criticism. One is to make your product better, and one is to make it worse by, you know, getting aggressive. So, yeah, it alleges that there are hundreds of posts across social media that show Motorola products in a false and defamatory way. And it says that it did this lawsuit in the interest of public safety, which doesn't make a lot of sense. India is Motorola's second biggest market, which makes up about 20 percent of its global market share. And, you know, like obviously people on social media, especially big phone fans, can be pretty over the top sometimes. but stopping people from publishing negative reviews is not a good look it's a very bad look yeah and it it sort of tracks that they're they're sending them in india because i think that there are probably looser like freedom of speech laws there um just hope that this does not happen because you know i don't know it's bad it's bad to repress speech when i read this i kind of it kind of reminded me of all the different ways that like ceos just respond to things So like this reminded me a lot of Carl Paye with nothing because that's a company that has turned negative feedback into content in an interesting way. Like we will occasionally talk bad about nothing products. And there are three things I know to be true in life, which is death taxes and that Carl Paye will turn that into a YouTube video and just make a bunch of views. They turn it into content in a way that allows him a platform to respond without suing creators into oblivion. So I think that's an interesting way of going about it, and Motorola should pay attention. Yeah, they're owned by Lenovo, as you remember. True. Yeah. I did not remember that. Oh. I completely forgot. I will remind you. And yeah, it's just not a good look. You shouldn't repress people's speech, and that's bad. So we'll have to follow that lawsuit and see if anything actually comes from it. There's one other big story here. Speaking of following something. I'm going to talk about basketball. Whoa. So I hope you're proud of me. Steph Curry, you know, the king, as we in the basketball industry call him. Oh, boy. The king is LeBron. Is that really true? There is another player. I'll stop you when you say something. I'll stop you if you say anything crazy, but you're on the right track so far. Okay, well, he, you know, plays for the Golden State Warriors. You know, he's been playing for them for a while. He's so good with his accuracy. When he shoots the ball, it usually goes in the circle, the hoop. It's kind of crazy how many times he can get it in there. Yep. Yep. So also was an investor in Palm. I met him. Also correct. During my Palm briefing. And he was wearing it as a necklace. Yeah. Anyway, the NBA is very deeply rooted in Google sponsorship. They do a lot of pixel stuff. famously a couple of the NBA stars like use pixels every day and they say they actually like it even though people don't think they do they really do they really maybe do they really say that they do and we have been hearing these rumors of a new Fitbit coming out that's supposed to compete with Whoop because remember here on the Waveform Podcast we f***ing hate Whoop down with that company we are Whoop haters we are Whoop haters certified Andrew's not here to defend himself. Andrew famously loves Whoop. Loves. I mean, Andrew's obsessed with this guy. We always dunk on Whoop and he's sticking up for them. But yeah, he's not here for that. So if you don't know what a Whoop is, it's imagine a smartwatch without the watch. It's the watch band, but it's thicker. And the idea is you don't want to wear a smartwatch, but it gives you deeper analytics about your body. It's got all these different data points, and they're suing a smaller app company because they think that they stole a lot of their data points. it's very stupid um but it's like if you if you wanted all the the benefits of an aura ring but you needed people to know you were wearing yeah it's kind of a saddest thing but you can wear a whoop under your sleeve or like hide it if you want yeah you got to get like an accessory for that i think to wear like on your chest i'm gonna do a weird pivot here because over the weekend man city beat arsenal so it was a very hard day for me as an arsenal fan uh but at the end of it holland who's one of the great players in man city ripped off his shirt ran onto the field wearing a boot band and i was like he's allowed to play with that how well is that my are they not allowed to play with those things i don't know i guess so it's under if it's under your shirt yeah no that's fine but they can't play it if it's over your shirt guys i don't know if you know this you play soccer with your feet so i think i think okay so i play i play a sport where uh before every game they line all the players up they do the national anthem and then they go down the refs go down the line and if any player has on any wristband or jewelry or necklace or anything that could get caught on a finger and like pull that makes sense they tell you to take it off okay so you can wear it under your sleeve you can wear it somewhere where it's not gonna get caught but then if it is out you got to take it off i have a question about that yeah i currently have a bracelet that i cannot take off yep what happens in this they will take tape and tape it to your wrist fully so i can't get caught with like a finger like you take it off because it was one of those things where they like zap it in place and it's there forever yeah it's one of those you did that yeah there's other people that have that yeah they're like or they just refuse to take it off or whatever it is so they just get it taped on whoa yeah you did that to yourself it's never taking myself it's just a bracelet it's like being chained to something for your whole life kind of to what to the chain i guess anyway that's like a tattoo bro okay yeah well yeah i have none of those okay fair point fair point anyway uh back to steph curry you know the king as we like to call him in the basketball world i don't want to stop you i'm gonna keep yeah it's fine you know he shoots a lot of hoops so he's got he's been wearing this unidentified uh fitbit device for many months yep you know there have been articles that have been coming out that's just like little glimpses of him wearing it but then kellen at droid life shout out to kellen one of the most og phone youtubers there are legend in 2012 i had push bullet notifications for every article that kellen wrote pretty sick he's still going strong he decided to get a little bit obsessed with this because he's a huge basketball fan and uh you know as we as we all are here in the way for podcast he's specifically a trailblazers fan because he's in portland that's tough okay yeah this has been tough well he analyzed a ton of instagram videos youtube videos and um there was even one other thing just a lot of videos on the internet and getty images getty images of steph curry over the last like since february effectively and he was able to catch multiple multiple multiple glimpses of steph curry wearing this unannounced fitbit band that is supposed to compete with whoop it is much thinner than a whoop it kind of just looks like a pixel watch band but it's slightly thicker at the top and steph curry never wears it during the games i'm guessing for the same reason that you can't wear bracelets and stuff he never wears it visibly during the games but there could be a chest strap or some random yeah maybe accessory maybe yeah um but there are multiple screenshots of him wearing it out and about there is even an image that kellen caught where he has an app open on his phone that appears to be sort of like a new redesign oh i watched that video i didn't even catch that damn crazy that's good that's crazy playing site yeah yeah um so i imagine that you know it's been months since this has been kind of being leaked and i feel like google's leaking this on purpose at this point yeah honestly this to me is the best case scenario i imagine he's invested in fitbit or something like a lot of golden state warriors players uh california team are connected with a lot of california companies so there's a lot of tech connections so i wouldn't be shocked if he's invested in this company or something like that and he's just google there's so yeah for sure or they have some partnership whatever it is and so steph organically deciding to wear this for weeks and weeks before it comes out is is the best possible endorsement of the product right to me it's it's probably in his contract elite athlete chooses to use this product before it comes out before he's probably going to get paid to do a commercial or whatever about it he's going to be able to actually say he's been using it yeah and probably actually like really uses it and cares yeah so i yeah it's just free promo for them google stuff leaks already anyway all the time so here we are yeah um but it looks good i personally i would love something like this that gives you all the analytics but that you can put on any watch because it looks like it's just a watch band size with a slightly thicker top well the puck that's where it's measuring everything Yeah, yeah. But if they were able to put that in the bottom part, and then you could just wear a regular watch on the top, I think that would be sick. Or maybe even clip a watch to it. I don't know how that would work. But I guess you maybe could. Yeah, maybe. You could just sew a watch. My problem with putting it on the bottom of a watch band is that not all watches are meant for sports and stuff. Yeah. So if you're wearing a watch that you don't want to smash into a wall, I wouldn't want to have my tracker on the bottom of that. Yeah. Having an option would be nice. Yeah. well it looks very googly um it kind of is just like this i don't even know do you know how to can you describe this it's like uh so it looks like the what's that apple watch band called it's like the uh trail loop trail it looks like a a trail loop band but without the apple watch and instead it just has this small puck under it if you've seen meta's uh wristband for their glasses it kind of has like roughly that amount and it's on the back of your wrist where the watch would be yeah so no screen no time again it seems weird to people who don't use it but a lot of people don't want to screen on the wrist so it just has long battery and it just sits there and measures your stuff and you check the app when you want to see the info and yeah yeah they're finally going to compete in that space it's funny how out in the open he has been with this though like there's there's a image of him giving an interview yeah press conference press conference and he just got it on love that crazy yeah um have you guys used the new fitbit coach thing no but you've been using it right i've been using it i really like it really but to this product's credit uh it pretty much only works with fitbit devices and or my pixel watch yeah and i don't wear my pixel watch every day because it's a pixel watch yeah it's like it's fine but it's not the one that i'm like i'm usually wearing like a real watch so this is like i'm actually very interested in something like this because fitbit back in the day to me was this it was just a random little tracker that pretty much everyone would walk into best buy and buy you can swap out the bands and everything like that then they started getting like a little bit more smarter and smarter and all this stuff but like the core of what fitbit always was to me was just this little tracker so if i can just have the little tracker with these in-depth analytics that you get from something like the pixel watch yeah i think that would be pretty interesting a win no i have a longer battery life too yeah when i when i worked at intel like they they were only like 30 bucks at the time to get the like little pedometer fitbits that you could literally put in your shoe yeah and then people would be able to and then we had like walking competitions which is so funny because it's like who can get the least work done um which nobody until gets work done anyway uh allegedly this is going to be called fitbit air that's what i think nine to five google found that interesting can we come up with different names that's my other yeah i think this is there's airs air means like pro Cro-Pro Max. Foop. Fitbit. See, the thing about Fitbit, Fitbit's a good name for a product, but it's their company name now. Google Fitbit. So you can't call it the Fitbit. That would be a good thing to call this. Yeah. You gotta call it Fitbit something. Fitbit loop, maybe? That could, yeah. Fitbit band? They'll think of something. They'll think. The Steph Curry. Also, the king is LeBron, so that's just the one fractional house. So what do we call him? We can call him the chef. The chef? I thought he was the goat. What's a chef? That's, I mean, he's some people's goat. but yeah he's frequently referred to as chef curry why because his full name is chef on and he'd be cooking out there because he's cooking yeah that's good chef curry with the pot is that real is that a real thing we will say trust me yes uh yeah no it's great all right last thing i want to do before we take a quick break is i want to show you guys something and i just want to make sure i'm not crazy before i crash out about this so check slack okay uh check the waveform slack channel and i want you to open this dropbox link and just watch this quick minute long video and uh once you're done watching it just let me know is there sound you don't need the sound okay you can see this is the oppo find x9 ultra david you want to describe what you're seeing all right so this is the oppo x9 ultra find x9 ultra case um whoa Okay, so it's the phone, and then it's like a giant accessory case. It looks like it's for photography stuff. The case that is next to it is like insanely rugged looking. They slap the case on the phone. It makes it basically an OtterBox. It looks like a small rig had a baby with an OtterBox. Oh, there's like a front attachment that locks in. So it's like fully encased in this case. This is like an outdoor, crazy outdoor setup. Okay, now he's got basically what looks like a gimbal attachment or something. Oh, no. It's a shooting grip attachment that plugs into the phone. It looks very ROG, to be honest. And then they attach a filter attachment to it. So they can put an ND filter, a variable ND on there. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it's variable ND. They're spinning it around. Okay, now they attach a cooling fan. Oh, now they attach a left-hand grip for some reason. Oh, now they attach a cold shoe. Oh, okay. Now they're attaching a quick release for a tripod. And now, oh my God, what is this? Oh, there's a giant Hasselblad box. Oh, no. Does this get crazier? Oh, no. Oh, no. okay there's a really really big hasablad lens attachment that comes with like a tripod mount you have to put a lens adapter on in order to oh my god oh my god this looks so insane what is this the final render at the end doesn't have the lens tripod mount yeah it comes off with the collar it comes off so this just looks like a terminator situation okay tell me they sent this to you you have all of this in the other room okay so what in the world so i watched this and my first thought is what are we doing though for real for real i don't have a price tag on this but i'm assuming if you are willing to buy this uh flagship phone eight nine ten thousand dollar phone whatever and you're also going to buy the lens and the and the battery grip and the cold shoe and the cooling fan and the lens adapter and the lens and the tripod and all this stuff to go shoot with your phone You clearly really care about the quality of the work that you making So why are you using your phone still Spend all of that on a cheap camera that will do better than whatever you're about to shoot on your phone. This is not a diss on the camera on the phone. It's a really good phone camera. but physics is still real and you can still get much better footage out of a dedicated camera plus better audio plus better codex etc yeah so i think there's a goldilocks zone to how much it's acceptable to improve your phone camera yeah before you're just going too far and you should just use a camera you know is that valid i think that's this is too far i think that the only acceptable use of like really really trying to improve your phone camera as much as possible is if you are going to make phone native content right because the the biggest annoyance of using a dedicated camera to shoot content that is going to be on phones is that you have to move all of the data to your phone eventually so the one plus for this the oppo for this is that uh i guess they're the same company is that you know if you're going to shoot like a reel or something all the footage is right there if you're editing on your phone it's right there but but then at that point it's like this is clearly doesn't look like it's for real this looks like it's for like a feature film they've got it sideways this is going to be so hard to like you have to take all of this off your phone yeah in editing this is unless you do it on your phone this is like a 90 second process to like even hold your phone in a way that's comfortable to edit oh yeah the footage you would need to disassemble this whole package yeah and start just blipping the photos to yourself like this is like um yeah it's like you decide you want to get this shot or however many shots or this whole shoot you're about to do you have to go through this like two minute process of like assembling your phone rig yeah which valid you have a rig you're going to get pretty footage but you could spend two seconds turning on a regular camera and just start getting footage yeah and i just think yeah this is this is in the valley between like good phone footage and and regular camera footage you know how you have that analogy of like vr headsets and like glasses and how they're both trying to move towards each other yeah this is like smartphone and camera yeah try to move towards each other except the the smartphone went way too far over the line it really has cameras have they they are now cameras you can buy that are just all in one they have really good mic like pickup mics they have really good stabilization they're small they have really good stabilization codecs it's just all in one like really quick short form content or youtube video content cameras yeah and that's moved towards the smartphone line but this just went way over the line i think it's way over yeah this is crazy yeah it's insane other problem is if you spend like you're gonna spend like eight hundred dollars on the accessories alone on like it's probably a thousand dollar phone and you spend eight hundred dollars on the accessories and then you can never upgrade your phone yeah once you move phones you're like well i guess i don't use any of this stuff anymore useless now like it's at least with a dedicated camera like them the glass is always going to be relevant because they always use the same amount most of The accessories can be used on any camera because it's all universal. No, this can only be used with the Oppo Find X9 Ultra. Which, by the way, weird small rig cage aside, the phone is beautiful. The phone is really good without all the stuff on it. Yeah, when you take all the other stuff off, the phone itself is like aesthetically gorgeous. Yeah. By the time you watch this, our video on it is up. It's called So This Is Peak Smartphone. because smartphones are just, we've gotten to the point where they're so good that they're good at everything already and any differentiating factor is really just preference. I think that's my take basically on this. And so when you look at like, what do we want from a good smartphone screen? Well, I don't know. I just want it to be bright enough and good looking enough that I can see it all the time and it just looks good all the time. Okay, well, it is. It's a high refresh rate, super bright OLED that gets to 144 hertz and will go down to one hertz and has high-frequency PWM dimming, and it just looks awesome all the time. So, success. What about battery? Oh, I don't know. I just hope it never dies on me. Okay. 7,000 milliamp hours and silicon carbon, and it's like it'll charge at 100 watts if it ever dies. All right. Mission accomplished. You kind of go down the line. We've done everything. Cameras are the last thing. They're trying this stuff. They're putting huge 200 megapixel sensors in there. They take good smartphone photos all the time, but they're never going to take good, you know, high-level camera photos. So it's just like this is good smartphone photography and there it is. Yeah. It's a great phone. I have a question for you. Yeah. If the accessories and the lens and everything was able to be adjusted to fit future phones, would that change your opinion on it? That would improve it, but it would still feel like you're kind of spending too much time on – because the thing about a smartphone camera is it's so convenient to just pull out the camera, open the app, and get the shot or just get the videos. That's the strength is versatility. so if you're throwing away all the versatility to get this super good quality then why not just get the super good quality you know what i mean yeah like just get the camera and it's actually more versatile again because it takes two seconds to boot it up and just start shooting so you're taking the strength of the smartphone which is versatility you're throwing it all away to like clip this case on clip the lens mount on clip the lens on get the collar on the lens do all this stuff and by that point you you're getting better footage but like you could just get a camera but it probably costs the same amount as like an 800 all-in-one sony vlogging which is gonna beat this yeah so yeah yeah yeah that's pretty insane all right i'm glad i'm glad i'm not alone that's pretty insane anyway go watch that video it's the apple find x9 ultra really good phone obviously great cameras but people are going too far yeah all right we'll take a quick break and before we do that one more time trivia. Something that's universal across every waveform episode. That's good. Nice. That's good. Where in the world is Tim Cook from? Dang. Do you need the city? City and state, please. I think I know. I know, but you guys said stuff before that makes me come wrong now. I have a good hint if you need it later. I'll take a hint. I'll wait to the I think the hint has something to do with someone in the studio here. I don't think we need it. No? All right. Then I'm not going to be right. Chicago. All right. Well, we'll either be right or we'll learn something. That's it. We'll be right back. Honest to God, like, skinny. I want to be jacked. Without context, tone and sculpt are rooted in diet culture. We're inheriting a lot of nonsense that makes specifically women feel like they have to shrink in order to expand. And I'm just saying, no, let's just like lift heavy and like take up space. That's the expansion. I'm Robin Arzon. 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An hour and a half. I'll be on the plane in an hour and a half. Okay. It would be great. Well, yeah, I guess so. Okay. We're going to speed through these because Marques has to get on a plane in an hour and a half. Get nerd. So we talked about the GoPro cameras last week. It was pretty crazy. They have new cameras out. There's the Mission 1, there's the Mission 1 Pro, and there's the Mission 1 ILS, Intermittent Lens System. We now have prices for these GoPros. Ellis is very excited about using them for lenses. He's yeehawing over there. So now we got the prices. The Mission 1, $599. Okay. The Mission 1 Pro, $699. Okay. And the Mission 1 Pro ILS, $699. But these are all discounted by $100 if you have a GoPro subscription, which I didn't know what that meant. And what does that subscription get you, David? I had to look it up. It is cloud storage. It kind of makes automated little videos for you based on your footage. A GoPro subscription? Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It's a warranty program, too. It's also a warranty program. Yeah, insurance. Insurance type program. You know how there's like the beastification of YouTube? Is this the Appleification of tech companies? A GoPro subscription? Everyone needs recurring revenue. You can, it's basically like you're a hardware company, but you need more recurring revenue. So you just bundle together some things that would work well with your hardware. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but wow, a GoPro subscription. I think it's a bad idea. There's no money in selling something once. You got to sell it a hundred times. I don't know how the subscription works, but if the camera is able to auto upload to this cloud storage. Yeah, no, I'm sure it's very clever. GoPros find themselves in situations where they become former GoPros often, you know? And so being able to know that footage is in the cloud, not bad. Yeah. A GoPro subscription. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. What do we think? Wait, what's so far? There's a Mission 1 and a Mission 1 Pro. Pro. What is the $100 difference between those cameras? It's mostly based around the types of, like, the frame rates that they can record. So, like, 4K 240 FPS versus 4K 120. You get 8K 60 on the Pro versus 8K 30 on the regular one. So the Pro has more processing power. It can handle higher frame rates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. okay so that's the main difference i still really want to shoot with them i just gotta see how good the footage is because we just showed you that insane rig with the phone with the oppo and like this is gonna be that you could get one of these and probably get really good footage from it and it'll just be like one button click yeah i would rather have this than the phone so yeah we'll we'll have to get some and shoot with them and see much smaller okay uh we got some iphone colorful colorful iphone pro rumors so instead of just the oh i love this yeah so the rumors are that the iphone pro is going to come in this light blue don't care pantone 2121 dark cherry kind of don't care either what is wrong with you marcus this is crazy keep going uh silver don't care uh dark gray hell yeah hell yeah that looks and you saw the renders yes yes yes please give me a dark neutral you're like a staten island mom picking out the color of her car like you any semblance of saturation get it out of here it's just it's just the best looking one and you know it's funny these are actually very popular car colors silver light blue dark cherry which is kind of like the burgundy car you see everywhere and then black the only other popular colors i've seen are like white and beige uh yeah no this is gonna look good i think the silver actually looks sick the thing is ellis i shoot a lot of car videos for autofocus on the phone i get it and the color of the iphone reflects in every screen in the car every time yeah and i've had an orange iphone for many of these videos and i pointed at that car play screen and there is just orange hitting me back in the camera lens and i can't take it anymore i need and the blue one it's close but just give me a black that dark cherry purple is pretty fire i'm not gonna lie it's it's it's look i had two questions here yeah one does this mean orange is dead yep forever like that's it it'll come back in like five years purple is the new orange so this is nice so this is like a that was a celebrity color. Wait, no, literally. Oh, no, it doesn't work. I was going to say orange is the new black, but black is the new orange. Black is the new orange. That's even better. Well, I don't think it's black. Second, is the space gray name dead? Is that still available? For iPhone? You can buy it on. MacBook is still space gray. Is it not space black now? Oh, it might be space black. Space black is a different color, though. Yeah, you're right. Space gray is... I have the space black MacBook Pro. Space black, right? Yeah, same. I think it's called space black now. But do they not also? Because space is... You know what's funny? We talked about this in an earlier episode. Space is gray. No, space is... Cosmic latte. Cosmic latte. It's not fully black is the point. Cosmic latte. We talked about this. The average color of the universe. What is this iPhone air color? Is it just... It's not black. It's probably just black. They would never call something black. I don't know. They might. They would call it... Ambient stillness. I don't know. That was bad. okay so the macbook pro is space black so is the iphone air iphone air space black yeah so that's it right yeah that's what i saw the leak and i was like oh okay space gray's back and then i read it and i was like wait well they could still call it space gray i mean it could but what is this supposed to be dark gray yeah it's just dark gray like it's black dark gray whatever but like i likes i don't know maybe i've been like apple pilled but i like space gray as a name i was like that yeah that's cool i feel like it's it's too reminiscent of the johnny ive era for me so they need to move past it you know interesting yeah um okay so now that marquez has to board in one hour and 20 minutes uh we got to talk about this huawei pura x max foldy boy that they just launched huawei huawei because they want to get ahead of apple they want to get a what no that doesn't work way huawei ahead huawei ahead of apple yes we first saw uh rumors and leaks of this it last week but now we have specs and pricing it is a short boy is a short king 5.4 inches um cover display with 3 500 nit brightness so very short phone it's definitely the passport style short king 7.7 inch internal display 3300 nits both support 120 hertz ltpo it's got that homegrown kieran 90 30 pro chip 5 300 milliamp hour battery wish that was bigger yeah um 66 watt wired charging and 50 watt wireless charging 15 megapixel main 50 megapixel tele 12.5 megapixel ultrawide um i just love triple camera that there are triple cameras i the iphone's not going to do that and that's really sad because i really wish they would supports wallways m pen 3 mini stylus so you can use it as a little notebook thing 1600 for the 12 gigabyte 250 gigabyte version $1,800 for the 512 gigabyte version and $2,000 for 16 gigs of RAM and 1 terabyte of storage. Really expensive phone. For sure. As will the rest of these be. As will the rest of these be. So, you know, yeah, it looks just like kind of the iPhone is going to look at probably, but it's got more cameras. You left one thing out about this exciting new announcement from Huawei. The colors? No. That, unlike most Huawei products, the Verge article, I think, that reported whichever article is linked in the show doc said that it is unclear whether it'll come out outside of China. So we might actually be able to get a global quote-unquote global minus United States version. If it comes to, yeah, yeah, yeah. It could come to European. Or it could not. Or it could not. Unclear. That's true. I hope it does. You know what is clear? What? The thing that we do at the end of every trivia. I mean, at the end of every podcast episode. I guess, yeah, there's not much more we can really say about this at the moment. No. No. Unless there's been breaking news! There hasn't been. I don't think. But I do need to address something real quick. Because certain video viewers may have been wondering why I'm literally jacked out head to toe in Philadelphia 76ers' cure. Head to toe is not an exaggeration. I've got the socks. They're on your toes. Oh, they're on your head and on your toes. This man is committed. Literally head to toe. And that is because... Oh my god, my leg is cramping from that move. Wow, I need to stretch more. Tonight, the Philadelphia 76ers play game two against the Boston Celtics. Last game, we lost by 30 points. And I realize that is my fault. I did not do enough to cheer on this team. So for the next 15 seconds or so, this is a Philadelphia 76ers podcast. Tyrese Maxey is a dog. Kelly Oubre is a dog. Vijay Edgecombe, dog. These boys are going to take us all the way to the NBA Finals, baby. And if you don't believe, you're not a friend of mine. Go Sixers forever. Really? Thank you. I'm really sorry about that. What are we going to do when they get swept? Bro, if they get swept, you know, honestly, like, I thought about it. I was like, how will I emotionally recover from a sweep? Because I have been through, Philadelphia 76ers fans, I will make the statement, have been through more than any other fan base in the NBA, especially in the last 10 years. The amount of insane stats that are just emotionally punishing. Every sports fan believes this about their own team, by the way. I know, but our star player has gotten sick for four out of the last seven. Not injured, sick. That's a bummer. You know what I mean? The fact that we continually have to play the Boston Celtics, both of whom star players we had the ability to draft and didn't. You could be a Knicks fan. Okay, but the Knicks owner isn't literally in the Epstein files. Like, there's just, like, so many things that it's just, like, this fan base. And then I realized. Rockets fan. This is what being a Sixers fan is all about. Any of us could jump ship at any point, but we want the chaotic ride, baby. We want Kelly Oubre getting hit by a car two weeks after joining the team. Okay? We want Joel Embiid showing up. No, Kelly Oubre, please don't get hit by another car. But it's, like, I love you, Kelly Oubre, man. Your eyes are so beautiful. Tsunami Poppy. you're like literally my favorite guy please just stay off the bicycle in center city for a little bit um what's tim cook's favorite soda pop oh yeah wait wasn't this the second question this is the first question oh i don't even know sodas you know yeah i feel i feel like you'd know that intrinsically, Marquez, you love K-Bob D.N. Hunters. That doesn't mean I name sodas. I don't know anything about sodas. Here we go. I thought of one. Who wants to read first? I'll read mine. Orange Crush. That's a real soda, right? Yeah. Pepsi. It is a Pepsi product, though. Oh, really? Because according to the Wall Street Journal, Tim Cook's favorite soda is Diet Mountain Dew. The least Tim Cook soda imaginable. I didn't even know they made Diet Mountain Dew. And of course, Andrew is not here today. That's crazy. All right, follow-up question. Where is Tim Cook from? This is a Tim Cook podcast today for obvious reasons. My hint is that it is arguably the most hilarious city in America for a phone executive to be from. good hint really good i'm wrong i can't think of i can't even think of an answer for that i feel like that'd be weed california that would be pretty funny but this specifically for a smartphone executive yeah the way funnier flip him and read what do we got i don't know uh paris texas i wrote dallas texas is it houston no oh so before i tell you how wrong you guys are quick update on the score marquez with 21 andrew with 22 i'd like to stay at 21 david in the lead with 26 the answer mobile alabama i thought i said it was the south and You guys said it wasn't. No, you said the Midwest. Oh, what's the difference? Where's the bar? How far south you are? The bar is in both places, actually, famously. Mobile. Oh, I get it. Mobile, because it's spelled mobile. Mobile. Mobile. That's pretty funny. Alabama. That's good, right? That's good. Good hint. Good hint from Ellis. You know, that's it. Well, we learned two new things about Tim Cook. Maybe next time we'll learn some new things about John Ternus or even some other CEOs. Who knows? It could get really fun. Definitely stay tuned. for your regularly scheduled programming and that bonus episode that Andrew is in exactly half of. And yeah, go watch the Aquafine X9. This is actually a technology jersey too. Okay. Just got the threads in it or something? Because it's an AI jersey. An AI jersey. No more puns else. Is that Allen Iverson? It's Allen Iverson. That's AI, baby. Alright, we'll be right back. See you next week. Wait, I just, real quick. Subscribe so you can turn us into one of the top podcasts in the world. Sorry. I had to do it. I'm sorry. Bingo! Wave 4 is produced by Adam Malina and Ellis Revan. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. And our intro outro music is by Vane Sill. And go Sixers! Let's go. Bingo. Sick. Alright. Get on your f***ing plane. Alright. Streetlight just announced the album will be out before June 12th. What about GTA 6? I don't know about that.