Thunder on ‘dynasty watch’ after clinching 1-seed, Ravens’ Super Bowl Window, BUD List

Live from New York, it's a show that's disappointed that we won't see Steph versus LeBron tonight. Steph is out, bro. Yeah, it's uh, I don't know, I guess they're saving him up for that playing game. I mean, it's big. They want to, look, getting into the final eight for them would be great. Like a real achievement. They get blasted in round one, but that's what they're going for. That would be fun to watch Steph and Dreymon take on the Thunder. It wouldn't go well for them, but they got, they're gonna finish like, 38 and 44 and out in the first playing. Yeah. Oh, you think that would go. Yeah, and we're not gonna see Steph versus LeBron once all you. Well, that's story, but maybe they team up next year. Coming up on the first hour. What would that be, Wilds? Delicious. You should know that. You should know that's my word. That hasn't been established in the show. You've done it. You haven't been paying attention. I pay attention to it. We're not doing it. Nick knew it. You did not know where you would have jumped it. He knew I was gonna say that. Josh, did you know that? He wanted to see if you could. We gotta talk about what's on the screen. They get mad at us. Reuben Bain, Jr. visiting the Chiefs is defense the key to Mahomes' delicious remise. So you can address that. Meanwhile, Tatum's back to New York. Jaylen Brown out with something. A Achilles tendonitis. Yeah, tendinopathy. Tending apathy. What? That's what it's called. You know what? Who said Achilles tendonitis? I would really be frightened if these were real. Jeez. You know what I mean? Like, I'd be like, oh my gosh. What? Like these injuries, if they were real. Achilles tendonitis isn't necessarily an Achilles. It's more tendonitis. Yeah. I know my wife has that. It's the same management. It's like your whole hamstring and finally the most motivational segment in all of sports, the budlist. We might have to update the budlist. Yeah. Update the budlist? Well, you're hearing all of this new stuff. Nick invented a word for Achilles tendonitis. I didn't even say it. Steps out. OK. Kevin Wilds, Nick Wright on a Power Pack Thursday show. We've got so much news. We almost did four hours. We start in LA. Thunder, clip the clippers. 128, 110. Check goes for 30 and 14. Lots of assists from SGA. Thunder, take the number one seed for the third straight season brew. Last team to do it. The dynastic warriors. Here's SGA after the game. It's impressive. Like. You obviously, none of it means anything if you don't win in the end and we know that. But the teams that win in the end have some of the same characteristics and traits and check out the same boxes. So checking out those boxes is kind of just like knowing we're headed in the right direction. Obviously we're far from the finish line where we want to go. But like I said, let us know we're heading in the right direction. Good company here. Number one seed in three consecutive seasons. You stole this from cool stats. Dynastic. No, this is different, isn't it? It's very similar. It's the same list of teams. Dynastic warriors, the dynastic Lakers and the dynastic Bulls. That Lakers team wasn't Dynastic. Not that one. That wasn't Dynastic. Mini Dynastic. Mini Dynastic. Went to three straight finals. That's Mini Dynastic. You know what else? Another phrase where Mini Dynastic. Back to back champ. Yeah. Not a Dynastic. Kobe Shaq was a thing. That was a real thing. Sorry, that was too late. Point. No, no, no. Kobe Shaq's right. This is Kobe Gassal. Yeah, that's Kobe Powell. Yeah, the Kobe Shaq thing was a Dynastic. That's why I'm saying that one. Very Mini Dynastic. It was, look, back to back. Yeah, sorry, Kato. It was the Thunder on Dynastic watch. I was like, oh, seven, 10. Well, look, based on, I think, let's establish what's a Dynastic. All right, I think at least three rings. Correct. All right. And three rings with the same leader, right? I think there are some clear cut Dynastic. Love it. Russell's, I knew, Nickel loved that. I'm excited for that. Bill Russell's six Celtics are the 60s. They won 11 out of 13 years. Yeah, that's a dynasty. That qualifies. The Showtime Lakers, because they did go back to back, and they won five, right? Jordan's Bulls. Before you keep going, I want to include teams that aren't included. So that, like, well, yeah, I'm going to get there. I'm going to get there. Jordan's Bulls, the Shaq Kobe Lakers who three-peated, Jordan three-peated twice, and then Steph's Warriors, four championships in eight years. All right. Now, these are, some people would consider a dynasty, maybe dynasties, if he arguable. Many dynasties. The Bird Celtics. And I would not. I would say no. See, I hear you, I tend to think of them as a dynasty. Maybe it's because it was Bird and him and Magic, and they resurrected the league or whatever. But three and seven years, five finals in seven years. But so they'll do it for them. Here's the question, though, that I have. And it maybe will end up applying to the Thunder, which is why I'm bringing it up. And I was trying to litigate the 80s, Kate, up you don't get mad at me. Can you have simultaneous dynasties? Because the magic, what he's calling the Magic dynasty, the magic green, is 80 to 88. And then the Bird thing would be 80 to 80s, like 86 all inside. I do think you could. The question is, would Bird his team qualify? Because if you got, say, two teams dominated a decade, which they did, and one wins five, one wins four, and both are back to back. You know, it's kind of. But they didn't. They didn't win back to back. No, Bird didn't win back to back. There was another team that also did go back to back in the 80s. No, I'm done with the Bistons. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In the midst of it. Well, because it seems 20 years without going back to back before the Lakers. The Duncan Spurs. Talking. Right. It's five rings, never went back to back. But I think maybe it's a Duncan dynasty. But I just think of them as a dynasty. Like, right? I mean, they were 50 wins for 15 straight years or whatever it was and always in the mix. But anyway, my point is this, it's way too early to say a legitimate dynasty. All right. And I don't think they'll get to be a legitimate dynasty. Could they be a maybe? You know, one of these like, well, could they win three? I could definitely see Shay win, say, three championships in eight years or something like that. Oh, yeah. Right? And does that, now I'm not saying to see it. I'm just saying I can see it. But the only team that I think is on Dynasty Watch. And this is, I mean, it's premature. But unbelievable. This first. Oh my goodness. Hold up. The first are absolutely on Dynasty Watch. The whole thing is based on being the number one seed three straight years. It is. Look, y'all can be behind if you want. I've been out front of this. I can't believe this. Since pre-draft. I have been out in front of this since the pre-draft of what, three years ago. I can't believe this. They are on Dynasty Watch. Here's the, and here's the watch. This is what we're watching. OK, I'm watching. Will Wimby be healthy, like have a healthy career? Because if he does, they're going to be a dynasty. And it's not just him. It's Castle. It's Fox. Who's a little older, but still. And Dylan Harper. Like that team is stacked. And if he's healthy, like a normal career, sure, they're going to, I think they're going to be a dynasty. So, or at least that's the team to watch. I think they'll be better than the Thunder. What about the current champions who are the number one seed and have the right to believe? The current champions better hope the Nuggets take out the Spurs in the second round. I'll tell you that. I can't believe that. They better hope that. So, all right. So, I also think, because you didn't even mention, and I agree with it by the way, but I think it's worth mentioning how hard it is to become a dynasty that LeBron Wade. They didn't even, right. Went to four straight finals, one back to back, and they didn't even make your like, you know, honorable mention dynasties. It was like, they were the defining team of that era, but they, I agree with you. Yeah. It's not a dynasty. I do wonder if the barrier for entry for dynasty lowers. And here's, this is something I was kind of. Because of the current NBA climate. Well, because this is a very simplistic way to look at it. But as time has gone on in the NBA, the maximum champion ships a team can win consistently goes down. And here's, so, or here's what I mean, Bruce, just follow me. I hear you. So like Russell Celtics in the 60s, they won 11 titles. Well, you just go with the best players, if you will, of the eras, if you will. John Havlecek, who carried over from 60s to 70s, he has the most with seven titles in then 70s to 80s. Karim has six titles. Jordan, 80s and 90s, he has six titles. 90s to 2000s, Kobe and Duncan, they have five titles. 2000s to now, LeBron and Steph, they have four titles. Like as the talent's gotten deeper, as the league's gotten bigger, it's just. Pretty soon. What? No titles. Well, no, what I'm saying, but I think what, and what we're seeing now is the best players of this era all are sitting on one. There's no, there's no multi-time champion, young, young-ish guy. But that was the case in the 70s. The 70s, you know, it was parody galore and then bird, you know, and remember, it had been 20 years before the league was of 87, 88. And so, and I always have a problem with that is like, how much that was ABA? How much, I don't know. And so. Can you say that for a second? Yeah. It feels like now this is by design, but perhaps with the second apron and, you know, Giannis wants to go with a real team, but nobody can make a move for him. So it feels like there's a hard cap, so to speak, on the amount of talent you can acquire. That being said, it feels like the Thunder have hacked the system a bit with their access. Listen, I certainly, so that was, you know, I didn't even give an answer. I was just kind of giving the context of that. I think, is it possible that in 2035, three championships will feel as heavy as five did in, you know, 1995. Like when magic had five, bird had three, Jordan had six. If 10 years from now, one guy in the league has three. And there's, you know, there's only a couple guys that have two that weren't on his team. Like, does it get as it gets harder? Ten years from now, it could feel like, again, we'll see what Williams are doing, but it could feel like that. It just depends on how the league goes. Now I don't think the gap between six and five, I mean, that's not a ton. Now you're right, LeBron and Steph, the defining guys of this year have four, but I look, Russell's 11 obviously is just not happening again. But six could, I mean, six is a ton. Six is a lot. But that's why people look at Jordan as the golden, you know what I mean? It's things like that, that make it. Like who can even shake against six? Six feels crazy. Now I will give you the six feels nuts right now. Like it feels like it feels like it feels nuts. And it the, and if the, if the Spurs win it, then we'll feel like we're gonna, but I'm trying to think of a, let's say, even though none of us are predicting it, let's say the next team that a lot of us thought going into the year could make the finals does and they end up winning the title. And then it's like, okay, so we have, you know, Anthony Davis got one, albeit with LeBron and Yannis got one and you know, the staff got his last one. And then Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum got one, Shay got one, Joker got one, Jalen Brunson got one. And you know, the Lakers do trade for Yannis. Something that's like, oh, and Luca and the Lakers next year, they look like, so where it's not everybody, but most guys have a ring and not in having two rings really differentiate you. If that's where we're going, then I would say definitively the Thunder are on Dynasty Watch because I don't know that they're going to need, if they're the, let's say they went back, I think you're saying they look like the best team right now. If they go back to back and then next year don't win it or the year after or the year after that, and we just have three different champions. And it's like, okay, so for a decade, the only team to come close to defending their title was a team that did defend their title. But I think we, I don't think we consider them a dynasty. I just wonder if we revise what it takes to be a dynasty in our head. Sure. You know, like, So think about baseball where you don't see, you know, you haven't seen repeat and three peeps and things like that. Well, Dodgers just, See, that's kind of my, But I would, I would pass on the Dodgers. Are they a dynasty right now? They win this year. That's pretty straight. But I think, But they're not like the fifties Yankees. Well, no, no, I mean, since those fifties Yankees, it's been, you know, since what, the seventies, you haven't seen anybody run off or run like that. The Yankees won three, yeah, with the Jeter Yankees, they won five. So I just wonder if it's changing. And so, but, and I also though would caution everyone that I understand they never got even a record. I understand they weren't on that graphic. But at this point, certainly the last two years, and I would argue four of the last six years, but definitely at this point when not picking on KW, because it wasn't no one saying it, no one was beating Denver in a seven game series. And last year, Boston looked like how, how were they going to lose? My only caveat was like, once Bruce Brown left that team, that team felt different, even though I was still all in on Denver. With Horford got another year older, the Porzingis injury was wacky and nobody, but the Porzingis injury was on no one's radar until the playoffs. Well, that's what I'm, well, that's what I'm saying. And so I'm saying for the Thunder, like we don't, we don't know theoretically what wacky thing might happen. Well, if the Thunder, they have deep enough to absorb that. If they lose though, you would be able to say Jalen Williams wasn't healthy all year. You know, like, I mean, if they lose in hindsight. And so I just, I think they are very well positioned. And I know that, but I don't necessarily feel like they are massively better positioned than Boston or Denver was. And those teams did not come close. Boston has been greatly positioned for a while now. They've been to so many finals and just haven't been able to get over. And just those teams both losing and round. It's not like they made the finals and lost or lost in epic conference finals. Boston got smoked in round two and Denver choked in round two. And so like that, that is Milwaukee. And you've got a lot of Milwaukee. No one was stopping them. And Chris Middleton got hurt and Grant Williams got hot from three and Jason Tateyman at the game of his life and their season's over in round two for them as the defending champs. We're due though. Yeah, we might be for a repeat champion heads a bit right. Cades back. Giannis isn't. Cade played 26 minutes in his first game back from a collapsed long. No Pistons starter hit 30 minutes. A 13-5 in 10. Here's Cade on his return. Yeah, I felt really good. I feel like I've, I got some really good cardio in today. Everything felt good. I feel like all the training and stuff I've been doing had me in a great place where I was comfortable for all of my minutes. It was different than the injury I've ever had as far as how it progressed initially. A lot of rest. I couldn't get my heart rate up, which was born. My heart rate went up a few times watching the team, which was, you know, but it was fun. It was fun to be able to watch from a different perspective like that. I think I learned a lot. Are you, are you mad if you're a Bucks player? He has a great card. Cardiogues. Cardiogues. A guy is coming back from a collapsed lung. I'm just asking, I'm not saying. I think he's literally talking about cardio because his lungs, like that's how I look at it. I've been around the NBA for decades. I've, the only time I've heard, hey, we got a, I got some good at cardio is an insult. Okay. I got, I got some good cardio out there against the Bucks. Giannis was sitting there. Giannis, your uniform is just, suit up. All right. How dangerous are the pistons? Very dangerous. They are a legitimate Eastern Conference contender. Well, number one seat though. And, and well, but, but I think everybody feels, seems to feel like Boston is just the go away team in the East, the runaway team in the East. First, let me say this. What I liked about K last night was he, he was not like tentative or anything. Like he attacked the rim. In fact, all six of his makes came at the rim. Like he, and remember the way he got hurt, it was I, because it was like a, he got bumped or need something. So you might think, okay, is he avoiding contact like that, particularly in the midsection area? He wasn't, he went to the rack, you know, finished in traffic, all of that. So I love that. But as far as Detroit, because you guys know, I love them in, in this book, pre-taped them, but I thought they clearly looked like the best team in the East. Right now I got Boston. Right now is the best team. Detroit second, Nick's third, Cleveland fourth. And here this was, we've alluded to it in, in past a little bit. The injury, assuming Kade has no problems going forward was a blessing in disguise. Because Nick's man, Danis Jenkins and Merge is like, but you know, he showed us something, but the question we had, can they score without Kade? Well, they've averaged 117 points this year a game with Kade out. They went eight and three averaged 116.8 or something like that. So the offense stayed the same as far as production. And I don't know if this can continue because I don't think they have great three point shooting, but we got a graphic here. All of a sudden they're hitting threes. Like, look, October, the first five months of the season, they're a bad three point shooting thing. Now, all of a sudden, that's a nice month and a half. They're the six best three point shooting team. If they shoot like that, Nick, they're going to be real tough to beat. And I would add, I think, you know, I think Boston's the best team. I think Boston, I said month and a half ago when it looked like Tim was coming back, they'll bust, bust them win the title. It's what one of the reasons is I think Boston actually is one of the only teams that can match up well with OKC. Boston's biggest positional or rotational weakness, my opinion, is their five, their center. So you run into a Detroit team, your second best player is Jalen Duren. It could potentially be problematic, honestly, for Boston. If Denver were to make the finals with Joker, like the Spurs, it's a little different because Wimby is a five, but he doesn't play like a traditional five. But, you know, Cade has been a really good story for Boston, but he is right now, you know, as coach, me and Jay would say, an emerging player in developing. So I do, I agree with your hierarchy team for team that is exactly I would stack it. And I agree that if Cade is and now he has time to ramp up, so to speak, and he can use the week of the play in to, you know, go five on five, do things. If he's full go by round one of the playoffs, then I think they are a conference final team waiting to happen. I think we are going to get pissed in Celtics. I think the Eastern bracket will is more likely to have less likely to have crazy upsets than the Western Conference side of the bracket because I think Detroit has proven all year, they're legit. Now, do we think that they are win four rounds legit? I don't, but I do think they are win two rounds and see how they square up in a series they have home court against Boston. So yeah, I mean, I think they are when I wrote them off, it was because we thought Cade was out, like Cade's going to be out a month and then be a shell of himself when he comes back. Instead, you know, this is like record recovery from a collapse. I think matchups will be very interesting. I think they would beat up the Knicks. I think they're too tough for the Knicks physically. Interestingly, because Cleveland's not a physical team, but Cleveland has more talent, certainly top in talent than Detroit. And Cleveland has been soft in the playoffs, so I would pick Detroit. But that would be interesting because they do have so much talent Cleveland that if Harden and Mitchell can score against that perimeter defense, which they will, if they can do it efficiently, and their bigs can kind of play tough, then they can be a... And we don't know who's going to be the three, four in the east. Right now, Knicks are a half game up on Cleveland, so that could flip to where the Knicks fall to the four and the Knicks of the round two matchup for Detroit and Cleveland climbs to the three and they're the round two. If you're the Knicks, you were either Boston in the second round in Detroit? I'd rather Detroit. I know that Detroit beat up the Knicks this year in the regular season. They're probably thinking that too. If I'm the Knicks, I don't hate the idea of falling to four and getting to... Meanwhile in Memphis, Joker and Natchez's 34th triple double a year didn't even play the fourth quarter. Denver wins their 10th game in a row, first time in Joker's career. That's happened. Brewers, are there any chance Joker can win the MVP on your ballot? No. And look, I had him atop my ballot for most of the season. And he's had a phenomenal year. And look, he probably is somewhat, not just me, but all the voters, a victim of his own excellence. And he's won three already. That's a ton. Has anybody won three? Well, Moses Malone, three with just one title. And so there might be a little fatigue on people's parts because the numbers are sensational. Remember, and leading the league and rebounding assists the first player ever is huge. I also talked about P.E.R. player efficiency rating. He was at one point the only player in history to have a 33 or above. And he kind of fell off a little bit from that. Now he's under 32. He's at 32. He's his second best of his career, still the second best all time. But that, like if he stayed above 33 P.E.R., I might maybe have to consider him stronger. But I got Shay without his second best player for two thirds of the season, still the number one seed. He's averaging 31 on 55, 38, or 39, and 88 splits. Can Joker pass Wimby? Yeah, that's the question. Right now I've got Wimby. And the games are won. Like Wimby's played 63, Joker's played 64. Obviously, if Wimby's not eligible, Joker will be two for me. But what I will say is this, right now I'm looking at Wimby at two, Joker at three, look at four. What I will say is this, if they meet in the second round and Yolkich outplays Wimby, like he did in that last game this weekend, close, but he's just clearly the better, then I will admit I was premature in saying Wimby was the best player in the world. Probably premature by a couple months, but because next year he definitely should be. Well, the A-block, you said that the Spurs were on the verge of a dynasty. Well, I think everybody agrees with me. If he stays healthy. I'm not trying to go back to the first topic. I agree, if we were doing a dynasty draft, the Spurs would be a universal top two pick. You don't think they'd be number one? Well, I don't, the Thunder have such a head start. But if the Thunder, let me put it like this, how about this, KW? If both teams, if the Nuggets make the finals this year, then the Spurs would be my number one draft pick for dynasty draft. If I know that the Spurs aren't all of a sudden in two months going to be two championships down, then is, and I think that's kind of what Bruce alluded to. And answer this question, here is where I think Shay is the MVP as well. I have been at him in all year that I thought, not all year, but you know, the last month and a half that I thought Luca was two. And this is maybe why we don't necessarily have to have the 65 game rule. I'm going to assume Luca is going to be eligible. Luca has fallen to four because he missed the time. You know what I mean? Like the, the, and so, but, but he's all, he's played as much as Wimby. Right. But, but he needed to have played more to like overtake him. And now like Wimby keeps playing awesome. I know now Wimby's missed time. Joker's playing the best ball of this season and that game against Wimby mattered a lot to me. The Lakers are going to fall to the four seat at least. Like that to me is it had Luca stayed healthy. He was to me the number two guy. He gets dinged up the team falls and so Joker, I could see Joker finishing second. Okay. See on Friday. Oh, what's going to happen? Okay. Well, Mars chances at a ring next on that. This one, the Fox Sports Channel zero six. Check out the podcast. If you get a chance, it's excellent. Our YouTube channel just keeps growing. Although it seems like we're, we got to get to 1.1. I mean, that's a lot. It's a hundred thousand. You get a plaque just to get to a hundred thousand. It's hard to get. Someone is sitting there right now and they haven't subscribed. Just a lot. Please. We'll get there. We're begging you. We're on 50 promos. Thank you. Raven's practicing. Zay flowers in Lamar missed the playoffs last year. Fired their coach and now are ready for their Super Bowl window to reopen. Coach Manjini's here. First year Zay flowers. He ready man. Like I feel like we answer that every year and he always ready. So he even more ready this year. He excited about the coach and staff. He excited about getting to work with coach on Declan. So yeah, he ready to go. He want, he want to finish. He want to get a ring. I feel like the whole team know that and every, I feel like everybody got a window, like different teams. Like, you know, no matter who it is, you're going to have a window to you know, and you got to just seize your opportunity and decide window. Okay, I think we'll start with you. It's Super Macro zoomed out question. Are you still confident Lamar will win a Super Bowl? He better. He better. He better. Look, because all this is the price of greatness of historic greatness, right? All the other that he's one of 11 guys who won multiple of MVPs. All the other 10 won a championship. That's the club you're in now. You don't want to be the only one without a Super Bowl ring. So I'm going to say yes. Because of the history. He's still playing great. I said it earlier in the week. Even last year was a down year. He clearly was off, but he still had a 103 passer rating still was second in the league and touchdown percentage. Like so even in a bad year and a clunky year in and out of the lineup, he's still put up good numbers. He's still clearly in his prime. He's got the, you know, a great organization. It's always going to put a solid defense with him. He's got good receivers that I don't know that he needs great ones right now. He's got good enough ones tight ends. And right now you just got a even when without Derek Henry, they always have a strong run game. So I believe he will eventually win the championship. And here's the thing. You can't use the insane for Josh Allen, but you can't use the men. It was Mahomes and Josh Allen were in the way. No, because now Drake Mays got into a Super Bowl. Sam Darnold of all people has won a Super Bowl. So yeah, he, he, he still got, I think a good amount of time. Look at L way and others like that. But yeah, I do, I do feel like he's going to get at least. And I've always felt that the, yeah, but Mahomes was there, was a way more valid excuse or reason for Josh than Lamar. Because Josh four times has been beaten by Patrick in the playoffs. Lamar, they've only played once. Now Patrick beat him, but it was it's not like again and again and again, he's losing to him. I, and Brew, you talked about two time MVPs. It's a very short list of one time MVP quarterbacks who have never at least been to a Super Bowl. And he's on that list. Like, you know, the, the, the Josh Allen is obviously on it. And the, I had Ryan with the, I had, right. I had this. I don't have it off the top of my head. There, but it's not, it's not a long list is the point. Rich Gannon, your favorite MVP made a Super Bowl. And so, but I am, I am not confident. I do. I think he can absolutely. Do I think he has to get over his playoff woes to win one? No, I don't. Peyton Manning, in my opinion, never got over his playoff woes. Peyton Manning, when he was certainly the year they won his first Super Bowl in that playoff run, he had three touchdowns, seven interceptions in the playoffs. Prime paid Manning. And they won anyway. If you are constantly in the mix, sometimes things can just break your way. And that's, you know, in your greatness gets you constantly in the mix. And you don't necessarily have to carry your team to it once you get there. And then you're minted forever. Nobody cares that Peyton wasn't great in that playoff run. Yeah. I don't know why this is the window. And last year wasn't the window. I picked him to go to the Super Bowl last year. But what's different this year that suddenly is going to propel them into the Super Bowl? He changes the coaching staff. Maybe that's going to have a dramatic impact. But there is a learning curve for a new head coach that they go through. And he had a significant amount of injuries last season. And is this the function of, you've seen a lot of good young running quarterbacks, but not a lot of good old ones. Are those body blows starting to add up? What was it last year? 20 less touchdowns, three more interceptions. So the numbers were good, but just a little bit deceptively good. And you kept waiting for him to take over games or to get out of his slump. And it never happened. Now, now could they be in the mix if he plays like like Lamar and his MVP seasons? Of course, they're going to be in the mix. But there's new challenges with the changing coaching staff that weren't there last year. Maybe those will be positive. But, but I just don't see what's so dramatically different that suddenly now this is the window versus all the other years. Those were all windows too? Well, no, I think those were definitively all windows. And I think the year that still every time they show like the advanced numbers, the DVOA stuff of like best teams, Seahawks popped up on this a lot, like the best teams of the last 25 years. Yeah, it's a bunch of teams that ended up winning the Super Bowl and the Ravens from two years ago. The Ravens that lost to the Chiefs in the AFC title game when they were at home. That team, Derek Henry's first year, they were dominant team and that maybe was their best opportunity. But my other kind of question to the group is I, Brew has stated it matter of factly. Are we certain Lamar is still in his prime? And if so, how much longer do we think it is? Like was last year a blip and now he's going to be right back to it or because of styles and what is all of a sudden no catastrophic injuries, but a long list of very different injuries that he is, you know, on the slight down slope. Not meaning he's not still going to be excellent, but that it's just each year he might be a touch worse. And if that's the case, then that does make me nervous. And it also makes me nervous that you had and I thought they needed to move on from Harbaugh because it felt like Lamar and Harbaugh, that relationship would run its course. And I really like Jesse Minterhier, but still dice roll. It's still an unknown and adding an unknown. And it's a learning curve. There's a learning curve. And so I just think you asked that question on Twitter today. Yeah, I asked if you had a five year window and you had to pick five teams coach and you know it's for your life savings and just you just need the team to one of your five teams to win the Super Bowl. That's it. What are your first five teams that you pick? Kansas City would be number one. Okay. Buffalo, just be in the mix. We have those two. Baltimore would be on your list. I was surprised. We've got a lot of 49ers, got a lot of bears, got a decent amount of Patriots, maybe just because I asked my own followers. A lot of chiefs, a lot of Eagles, just organizational. A lot of bills, didn't you? A lot of bills, which is mostly Josh, they're zero bangles, zero bangles, but not as much Ravens as I expected. Look, the Ravens, and this is what I'm really interested in. I do think kind of like you feel about the chiefs like last year was just a blip. Like it wasn't, oh, they've fallen off. But my main problem is you guys know with them has just been mentally in the biggest moment. So I'm hoping mentor changes that culture and that's no longer an issue, but they've had chances. There's no doubt that one year you mentioned that they probably, they should have won that year. So they've had their chances. I think, look, I think you can ask similar questions about Josh. I mean, he hasn't been as banged up as Lamar, but his style thing is similar to a Cam Newton, you know, who ran a lot and all of a sudden had a very short time. Got a new coach. Running too much. And I'm always going to choose the top five quarterbacks. Yes. Because those always give you the best odds. Yeah, coach probably would have had the bangles on. Yeah, I probably would have put it just because of Borough. So I, yes, the kid, is he believes in Borough so much. I believe in quarterbacks. I think that's, yeah. Okay, well, let's see how this goes. It took eight, what nine years, eight years. I'm saying it just, I would, I would almost go the other way. Like I'll throw a Texans vote in there. I believe in the Texans defense. Yeah, there, there. Yeah, but unfortunately I watched the playoffs last year. That kind of kind of, but you're saying I would just do the opposite. I would just take great defenses, solid quarterbacks over great quarterbacks, not sure about the defense. Yeah, I don't, I, there are going to be some teams with, as we just saw with decent court or good quarterbacks that win it. There are, but I think that is, those are the one off. And the, the argument someone make as well, that's back to back super bowls, that that has been great defense, questionable quarterback, but you don't feel that way. No, but that's a great quarterback, but there was, but certainly the defense was excellent. Well, yes, you, the, the idea is to have both great quarterback and a great defense. What would you rather have to pick one? I mean, I, I would rather have Josh and Patrick over any other, those, those two guys to me, I would rather have than any other thing on my football team. I would rather have, I just don't know. They lost 34 to 30 or whatever. I would like Tom Brady and then put me on whatever team. Yeah. And was in the same spot like, Brady kind of changed the way we look at it. Cause he was there so much and then my homes where you felt like we need this great quarterback. The Patriots consistently had a great defense. Yes. To have a dynasty, you need, you need both. But if we are like your, your exercise, I think I said chiefs, bills, Eagles, because I trust the, the organization. I've seen them go win super roles with multiple quarterback multiple coaches. Would you keep Jalen there? I think the Eagles are very good. Yeah. I just think, I think, I don't want to say it doesn't matter if Jalen's there or not. My point is they are not dependent on a singular coach or a singular quarterback. It's an organizational, five good organizations that you really trust. And I said the, and the Niners, I included as well, because I have seen the Niners certainly make one super role with a quarterback that I don't think was good in Jimmy G and make another super role with a quarterback that I have my own questions about, but I think he's a good player in Purdy. So I don't think they have to have, did you have the Rams in the mix? The tons of Rams. I, I, maybe I said the Rams instead of the Niners. I was debating them in the Bears. The problem for the Rams on your exercise is it's, you said you get five years and the Rams, I feel like if they don't do it next year, they're a wasted pick almost because Stafford's going to do. Do they have one down year and then grab maybe a draft that they were looking at? I was very curious why you put that on Twitter. I liked it, but I was like, is KW like trying to source his podcast? No, I just thought it was interesting. I thought it was good question. Miles Garrett, not at day one of the Brown's offseason program. New coach, Todd Munkin says he wasn't concerned. It is voluntary after all, but this is on the heels of a contract restructuring that didn't really save the Browns any cap space, but did make Miles Garrett's contract easier to move if he was interested in finding a new home. If they were interested in finding a new home. So is this something or nothing? I don't think him being, not being there day one of the offseason program in and of itself is something. But I do think that the combination of the Browns being like, hey, maybe you should be able to trade picks five years in the future and hey, let's adjust Miles Garrett's new deal and Miles not being there. All of those things have inched us closer to an outcome that I think, I know KW, you have a very, you know, you have soft spot for players spending their whole career in one place. Yes. You get very sad when a guy like Mike Evans leaves much less, you know, one of the greatest Deans ever. He doesn't like Miles Garrett. Well, that's, I mean, it's a weird spot. No, I like Miles, I would like to see Miles Garrett fulfill his destiny as one of the great defensive players of this generation and win a Super Bowl like everybody else. JJ Watt never did, never came close. Name a few more. Um, Reggie White, he went to four Super Bowl. He went to four Super Bowl. Don't yell at me. Lawrence Taylor, I said name one and I named one. If Miles Garrett goes to four Super Bowls, I'll be like, hey, right decision. If he's sitting there on four wins for another year, we're wasting a guy's prize. Listen, I was, I'm agreeing with you. I don't know the, I think most football fans would like to see him play in big games with real leverage. And I would like to just see what is the upper bound of sacks a player can get if he's on a team, if he has this talent and is on a team that constantly has the lead because, and that's when we were talking about how dominant he's been. He's in so many fewer obvious pass rush situations than most guys. And I also think the Browns, and now the Browns don't very often make super smart decisions, but they have been stockpiling draft picks and they could have a historic amount of draft capital if in addition to having the Jags extra pick and the other things they've done, and they've drafted really well. Correct. If they were to trade Miles Garrett and get more than, they would get more than two first round picks. I don't know if they'd get three first, but two first and something. I, so I like the idea of it. I think it'd be good for everyone involved. Look, I think that makes some sense. Trade him as great as he is. Trade him, get those picks and the way they drafted last year, if you can be solid again in that, then you can really start building. But coach Munkin, I'm sure is like we want to key and I'm not saying this is final, just he has the final say, but he's that defense is good as a playoff caliber defense. They got run, you know, run game is pretty good. I think Munkin's probably like, if we can just get solid quarterback play, not that that's even true, but he feels like if we can get solid quarterback play, we can be in the mix. They were just in the playoffs a few years ago. So I'm sure Munkin isn't like, let's trade our best player and then we try to stockpile draft picks and it's a three. I'm going to be bad for the next three years. Yeah, I don't think this is anything. He never goes to the offseason program. So this isn't any different than any other year. It's not like the other situation we're talking about where someone suddenly shows up. That would actually be stranger if he started showing up, but he's never gone to the offseason program. And I don't think this is to get him in line to trade at all. They have drafted well. So why would you get rid of the guy who just set the single season sack record? There may be a little bit of sour grapes with getting rid of Jim Schwartz because he was so successful in that defense. And then the other thing about OTA's is it's pretty boring for a defensive lineman. You go and you lift, but like the walkthroughs and things like that, you're just standing there. It's not like you're catching passes or running routes or doing so. And he probably takes a pay cut by being there instead of doing appearances. And in addition, he's always kind of marched to the beat of his own drummer. So this to me is an absolute nothing situation. JJ Watt caught passes for touchdown. So maybe he could work on that to expand his career. I think my list off the top of my head was multiple defensive player of the years and their ultimate success in the playoffs. So JJ Watt's the lowest. So JJ Watt has a handful of Super Bowl wins, but no, no, excuse me, playoff wins. Yeah. But mean Joe Green has multiple Super Bowls. Lawrence Taylor has multiple Super Bowls. Reggie White has Aaron Donald has a Super Bowl. Aaron Donald has a Super Bowl. Yes, that's totally fair. But the Browns went to what, two playoffs in the last five years? I think his level of success, to be honest, is very comparable to JJ Watt. And I think people forget, I'm going to be mentioning his brother, TJ Watt, who also has not had, TJ's had no playoff success. JJ had almost no playoff success. JJ's peak is as high as Miles Garrett's peak. He won three defensive players in four years. But I agree with you. I don't think it's unprecedented is the point I was trying to make. I agree with you though that he wanted it and then he got beat over the head by money and decided, okay, whatever. And then set the sack record. I feel really, he got beat over the head by my mind. I feel really sad. No, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that he's like, he can't sell a public letter out there that said the goal was not to go from Cleveland to Canton. I want to win a Super Bowl. You think that letter was sincere? I trust when I see a center justified letter. Can I ask you a question? Let's say you guys are not trading for AJ Brown. Would you give up? Two first round picks? And has your first round picks the 31st this year? So it's two first round picks and a third. Two ones and a three for Miles Garrett. So the 31 this year, 32 next year. Yes, I would. That's what I thought. You're the type of team that I think should consider it. Operating under Drake's. Yeah. I don't think Browns are looking to trade them. I mean, they've been insisted that they're not. The contract change was funky though, coach. I don't know. We should have called you. I tend to agree with coach. But the contract change made it possible. It was not going to be salary cap tenable. And now it's possible. Live from New York. It's the show that's excited, excited for Celtics' nicks tonight. But a little bit worried about Jaylen Brown missing yet another game. Excited for Tatum. I'll be there. Are you going to the game? I think I'm going to, bro. What the heck? Me too. Are you? I don't know if you guys are going to get to the game. Invite, I missed or something. A second hour of first things first today. What are our expectations for Jason Tatum in his first game back in Madison Square Garden since tearing his Achilles? Meanwhile, Reuben Bain in Kansas City visiting the Chiefs is a defense. A key to Patrick Mahomes' Renaissance. But right now, of course, it's time for the most motivational segment in all sports, the buddlest. Also time where we read some viewer mail. We get tons of mail from all over the country, all over the world. I appreciate you sending letters. Dear Wilds, love the show. Are you guys into Artemis and the Moon Adventure? Ryan and Brian are on their telescope non-stop. Thanks, Don and Don. I asked you if you were into the Moon and you said big time, I believe. These are one of the more famous pictures out from astronaut... Jackson Blake. Reed Wiseman. You never know what you're going to see. Is that Jackson Blake? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, it's just Jackson. Floating out. Sure? Oh, that's him floating. I thought the other guy was Jackson Blake. No, not the other guy. That other guy is a white astronaut, Bruno. Not a black action hero. He is a hero. There you go. Jackson Blake and space. On the cutting room floor. Bruto on Pluto. He hates Bruto, coach. Jealous of Bruto's pectorals. All right, at number three. Not an athlete, but Adam Silver. All right, and the NBA. Now look, I got to say this. The NBA, Adam, I think it's in great shape player-wise. Like a lot of times, as LeBron and Steph and KD and maybe even Harden and Kawhi, like as they age out, no longer the faces of the league and eventually will retire, there are a lot of young stars that are ready to take the mantle. Like faces of the league. Obviously, you got, you got Wimby, but you got Shay playing great. The Celtics are good. You got Luca. You got Cooper Flag and American superstar, Anthony Edwards, an American superstar. And we got a draft full of potential American stars. So the player-wise, you're in great shape. The problems have been off the court. Okay. So number one, you got some things to fix, Adam. Tanking. The tanking is just out of control and there's been tanking over the years, but this year it has hit rock bottom and you got to fix it. And I think it's simple. It's simple. The lottery is no longer awaited. So whether you finish with the 14th worst record or the first worst record, you got the same amount of chance, same chance to win the lottery. Now, some people might say, well, a good team might win the lottery. Back in 1993, the Orlando Magic won the lottery, got shack. Went 41 and 41. The next year, Golden State won the lottery, but they traded the number one pick, or the number one pick, yeah, was traded to Orlando. It was Penny Hardaway. Or no, Orlando won the lottery and got and traded and, right. Weber and traded him to go and say, so Orlando won it twice at a time. Was that so bad? We had shack and Penny and they got to the finals. Had they stayed together, that would have been a great run. So it's not bad. And here's the other thing. Bad teams are bad. I'm convinced it's bad management. Some of these teams will be in the lottery forever and never get it right. The team that's been in the lottery the most currently, seven straight years, the Washington Wizards. It's not because they haven't had chances to get better. They can't get it right. They've had bad management. And now they might be decent, but that's not because of the draft that they got Anthony Davis, Trey Young next year. They traded for those guys. So don't worry about all these bad teams won't have a chance. The second thing is the 65 game rule, which we talked about ad nauseam. I look, I got my notice today. The ballot's coming out next week. It maybe it's too late. I hope not. Cause I think Adam, you need to make a, a, an executive decision and say the 65 game rule is abolished and or, or meet with the players association. They'll support you and you both abolish it together. So you have a unified front, but this is bad. And you just don't, it's going to be, it could be some great players left off the all NBA and financially. It hurts guys because how much they can earn in future contracts is related to this. So I think you need to get rid of it. You've done some good things with the play in turn. I like the plan. I like the plan. Sure. I think it keeps some teams going, you know, strong and the NBA Cup is becoming a thing. And this year's all-star game was good. All-star game was good too. Yeah. So I believe in you, Adam. Let's go ahead and get it done. All right. At number two, Jason Tatum at the game that Nick and I and Wiles maybe will be at. Coach Mike, let's go. It's going to be fun. But anyway, you got a chance. I know there'll be some trepidation, maybe some triggers and, and all that because last time you were in Madison Square Garden, of course you got hurt. We're having a great game. Although y'all were losing. You had 42 points, but this is a chance for you. And I'm sure you'll be able to get over it mentally because obviously you've done a lot of that in just coming back this season so early. But you have a chance to exercise those demons before the playoffs, which would be great. So you don't worry about stepping foot into the garden anymore. Secondly, you can send a message to the Knicks that this is not going to be like last year in the playoffs. We owned you last regular season. We will own you again if we meet you. Because if we beat you without Jaylen Brown, who's not playing tonight, then you have no chance of beating us in the playoffs. Send that message. And thirdly, coach, when I was a player and I don't like guys getting hurt. I hated when teammates got hurt. But you know what? If somebody got hurt, I was like, more shots for me. All right, I get a few up. Maybe I'm going to open up some high points this game. You are back to being the show tonight with Jaylen out. So if you do all of those three things, it'll be a great night for you at the garden. Put that pass behind you. Jason Tate, I believe in you. At number one, my man, Wimby. Look, I like that you want all these regular season awards. Because the fact is everybody wants them. They won't admit it except maybe Joe Missoula. He's a different breed. But players want, superstar players, won MVP's and all NBA's. And role players want six man of the year, all defense, you know, all that stuff. Everybody wants it. So I got no problem with you saying it. But you can't, I got to, I want you to win some awards too, but not at the risk of not being 100% for the playoffs. So you got two games left. If you are not right, if you are risking further injury by going out there and playing and you won't be 100% for the playoffs, I just think you got to sit. I think you have to override your desires to go out there and play and be eligible for awards. It'll hurt, but it'll be the best for you because if you get to the playoffs, play well and win a championship, that overrides all of the regular season accolades, right? MVP, defensive player of the year, all of that. If you can win a championship in your third year, and this would truly be historic because I mean, this is maybe even more so than the Bill Walton and taking that young Blazers team to the championship 50 years ago. So that would be something. So be smart about it. Make sure your body is right for the playoffs, even if it means missing these last two games and not being eligible for the NBA awards. But Wimby, you know, I believe in you. Coach, how did you? It's been a long time, but it's like being rejuvenated, getting this segment back into my system. Thank you, Coach. So good. So you talked about tanking off the top. So I'll just fast forward to the Jets. They obviously did a lot of that last year in order to get the situation that they're in right now with two number one draft picks. So they've got two number one draft picks. They've got two number two draft picks, and all four picks are in the top 50 of the draft. That's not even counting the three number ones they have next year, but they've got four picks in the top 50 of the draft. So they've got a real opportunity to infuse a ton of good talent into this team. And when you look at the problems they had last year, it's the first team ever to not have an interception in a season, 17 games, which is pretty amazing. And then you see what New England was able to do after not being very good the year before. They go to the Super Bowl. There's been change in Buffalo with the head coach, change in Miami with the head coach. You've got a real opportunity to infuse talent into this system and to make a run at it. And you talked about going to the Promised Land with Gino. These picks will help you. And I would seriously consider if you had an opportunity to trade out of that two spot. Trade back if you can. Try to get more picks. There's a group of guys, there's a bunch of guys that are going to be able to help you. So if you can get some more picks and keep adding to the youth of that roster, I think that would be a really good idea. My first year we had two number one draft picks. I can't remember who we took, but they're in the ring of honor at the stadium. Everybody was excited about the Aaron Glenn hire. It obviously didn't go well last year, but if they can draft, well, you're right. I mean, maybe they can turn this thing around. More picks in the top 50. I do wonder if this year is a difficult year for them, for anybody in the top five to trade back. The Raiders could if they wanted to because people love Mendoza, but it feels like a lot of the draft experts feel like there is, you know, the difference between the second player taken and the seventh player taken is more a matter of taste rather than like Travis Hunter last year. Right. Or Abdul Carter, like those guys were like considered whether they will be or not like these true, true blue chippers and there was more thirst to trade up for those guys. And situations like that, sometimes you have to trade for less value. Yeah. So it may not be what the chart says, but to get some sort of value and get more money. I'm sure Veatch would give them nine and like a fifth rounder to move over. Well, it's 412 almost on a Thursday, which means you're in for a real treat. It's time for the sports media ombudsman. Indeed it is. Few options this week. I wanted to go inspirational. Because the master started today. And it's a tradition unlike any other. The master's app. And I an app on the Budlitz and the master's app because I don't know. Listen, if you haven't downloaded it is an unpaid endorsement. Download it. Because pick any golfer at any moment of the tournament, type in their name and you can see every single shot they took from at every hole in real time. You want to watch on your computer, on your phone, your own select group of golfers pick them and you will instantly live get every single shot they take. This is a golf club in Georgia that has the greatest sports app in the world. And it's free, correct? It's free. It's unbelievable to which I say this. To all the other sports leagues that seem to have, you know, I would think a bigger budget than the master's. Can we copy this technology or hire that same guy? Is there, can the Kansas City Chiefs have an app where I type in Patrick Mahomes and I see every single throw from the season like we can see at every golf shot. Can the New York Knicks copy the app and you type in Jalen Brunson Threes and you just see inline every game. The technology clearly exists. It's free. I understand the master's might have different types of financial obligations. I don't totally get it, but I do know that we have every year March Madness rolls around. It's like, hey, download the March Madness app. You can watch any game that you want in real time live. You can quad box it on your phone for free. Then the master's rolls around. It's like, hey, this is great. Meanwhile, if I want to watch the Royals, I need like four different apps. I got to do a bunch of different things. So I just... But they are televised? The Royals? I mean, just something just start slow. Just be like, maybe just one of those fish eye cams like that when my son's little league. You log on. That's how I'm going to watch the lacrosse game tonight. The fish eye cam. Always taking shots. I don't know if you should be throwing shots. You know what they're not chanting at Royals games? What? Sell the team. That's not happening. You know what the Royals aren't doing? Sitting in last place in all of baseball. I like that. Even if you're not a golf fan, it's just such a sick app. And you can watch first things first and follow the match. That's what I was going to say. You're still a fan of linear cable. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why I was saying that watch us on TV. Good apps. Coach, you're going to love this one because I consider you a wise guy who has sat in on a lot of interview questions on trying to figure out who you're going to add to your team. So I'm putting interview questions, Brew, on the bud list. I don't know if you saw Oregon QB coach, Koa Kooai, describing a pretty simple way that he judges recruits in a delicious way. Take a listen. I ask him a question like this all the time. Hey, do you like chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream? The minute a kid pauses, I don't really want that kid, right? Because you need to have some type of conviction right wrong or indifferent. So whether you like chocolate or you like vanilla, I don't really care. But if you sit there and say, I don't know, I want, is it melted? Is it not? What's the brand? So on and so forth. Like what is this kid going to do on third down in front of 110,000? What? A little bit of an unconventional way to judge your quarterbacks or recruits. Now, I bring a certain level of expertise to this subject after a summer of working at Ben and Jerry's while I was 16. Quick story. Came into the manager, the regional New England manager of Ben and Jerry's comes in and says, I've got good news and bad news. So we'll take the good news. He says the good news is you guys are selling more small ice creams than any Ben and Jerry's in all of New England. Wow, congratulations. Thank you. So what's the bad news? He said the bad news is you are selling the least amount of medium ice creams in all of New England. I said, what do you want me to do? People come up to the counter and they say, what do you want? People always just say the flavor. So they could all play for Oregon. Well, here's the question. So he said, what do I assume? People just say, I want coffee ice cream. I say, what size? They say small. So don't say what size. Say is a medium okay. And so I said, all right, I'll try it. Next time someone went, hey, can I have cookie dough ice cream? Copper cone? Cup is medium okay? Yes. Next thing you know, like magic, I start selling tons of medium ice creams. Now you might say, it's a big how does that measure into the world of football? The power of suggestion from a quarterback is more important than your silly vanilla or chocolate story. One of the most famous football calls of all time was actually a suggestion from the quarterback. Take a listen. You want to fill it? Yeah, let's do it. That's it. Hey, let's do it. And you want to feel the special. It's a crazy play where I touch. Yeah, Super Bowl homes want it. So can we can we run wasp and they ran it to the tiger? So there you go. It's the power of suggestion, a little lesson from Ben and Jerry. It's close on the ice cream vanilla chocolate thing. But I actually think the power of suggestion in the quarterback is more important than just if you prefer chocolate or vanilla. Yeah, I wish most defenses were either chocolate or vanilla. They are. And I kind of want my guy to be able to come up and say, huh, I wonder why that safety is rotating now and understand the snap judgments. Did you follow that logic? No, I didn't like that from that coach at all. Wasn't great. I didn't like it at all. I would like the guy to give you had to ask a few questions and be thoughtful about it. Chocolate. I want the right answer, not the quick answer. Yeah, that was interesting. And that was a great I have no idea what the ice cream had to do. Correct. Thank you, bro. That is exactly right. The power of suggestion. It had nothing to do with that video. He talked about ice cream indecision making. But I talked about ice cream indecision making. You talked about the power of the super bowl. He didn't say I said it was close. That worked. Josh, you have to know. If he had said, hey, do you like or is chocolate ice cream is better than vanilla, right? Yeah, that would have been correct. A leading question. It did not. It was perfect. Can I just tell you guys? It was totally irrelevant. What are you talking about? I'm talking about ice cream. You're going to put a dunk on there. That was a perfect story. That's right. The KW loves, loves reminding America of his humble beginnings working at Ben and Jerry's. We've heard, say they don't want him. They don't want, he doesn't want people to think he had, it was a silver spoon kid, which is what I'm saying. You weren't his son of a carpenter. He pulled himself up. And so once a quarter, he has to tell us about Ben and Jerry's. We all know you worked at Ben and Jerry's, bro. Oh, well, it's an interesting story. Want to hear the story about hot while you leave the register open? Save that. Nothing to do. I think the same thing. Invertly, that's not to register. I thought it was going to be like people freeze up when they have to order. I thought no, that's not what it's the power of suggestion. I just heard it now. You just broke it too. That's great. Celtics in New York, Tatum back at the garden for the first time since tearing his Achilles, Jaylen Brown out tonight because of Achilles tendonitis. Here's how Tatum has historically fared in the garden. This includes plus five and one. Well, this is recent history averaging 31 points, eight rebounds, five assists, shoots over 50%, 42% for three is home away from home. What are your expectations tonight for Jason Tatum? Before I give my Tatum expectations, I want to give a Nick's crowd expectations. I think he gets cheered at intros. I think so too. I would think so. I think like the, I think particularly given the fact that they haven't won in 50 plus years, I think Nick's fans are some of the best and smartest fans in the NBA as far as the in arena crowd. And I think there will be an appreciation for what this moment is even though these arrivals and you know, the, I don't think he's going to be like cheered throughout the game. Like he's played for Nick's, but I think at intros, I think the crowd will give him, you know, something of a hat tip. I'm not saying they have to. It's just my gut tells me that's what's going to happen. I was thinking, I think they should, I hope they do. I was thinking about this earlier though. I was like, do they, do you think you could get into his head for the future if you just booed him? Vosiferous. Now that would look bad. Yeah. I, but would that be within the, I don't know. I guess I'm during the game. They're going to definitely do that. But just the initial, I hope they, I think the initial, I think there'll be a cheer because it was such a jarring thing that, you know, the way it happened. Now as far as how I expect him to play, I think 30 points is absolutely on the board, particularly because Jaylen Brown's out. And I, I was probably the most optimistic about his return and he's exceeded my expectations. Last five games, he's 25, 10 and seven on 48, 40 splits and they've won all of them. And it has been stunning to me how quickly he looks most of the way back. I don't think he'll, you know, my son's a huge Celtics fan and Tatum's favorite player and he and I were talking about this this morning up, asked me when I think he'll look like vintage Tatum. I don't think that will happen consistently until next season, where it's just night in, night out. He's one of the best players in the league. I think that probably, we were months from that, but he's already at all star level. And that to me, and so I, like, I, it's maybe unfair, but I almost at this point expect like all star production from Tatum, even though he's 15 games into his, right, that's what I mean, even though he's 15 games into his recovery and less than a, you know, only 11 months removed or 10 and a half months removed from the injury. Yeah, look, and you got to credit Joe Missoula and we'll see if he gets coached a year. I think him, Bickerstaff, Missoula, he says he doesn't want it. Oh, I don't know how you can vote. You think voters going to be insulted? Well, I mean, I don't want it. I mean, I don't want it. If I, if I want to vote for, I'm figuring out, do I want to vote for him or Bickerstaff is number, because Bickerstaff in Detroit has been great too. But my point is, their system, I said this before he came back. I thought he would come in and play well, because that system is great. Like it's, it's a great system. And guys, if you have ability, can just fit in and play him at, what is he? 75, 70% maybe right now is better than everybody else on that team except Jaylen Brown. And though Pritchard, with all due respect to them, but I still think, I mean, and he's more of a defensive player, but I'm saying overall player, this Jason Tatum or Derek White, I think Tatum is better. So I'm not surprised that he's playing well. And I think tonight he's going to have a big game because I think he struggled against them in that series last year until the game he got hurt when he had 42. Before that, he was shooting in the 30% range. Hubs, just get in my ear. I know we saw that Jaylen is going to be out, but do we have any updates on Derek White's availability? I know he's questionable, but I don't know if he's been ruled one way or the other. Building off of your silver linings point that you made earlier in the show, is it a silver lining that Jaylen Brown is not playing? So he has to be the guy. I don't know. I mean, I would, I'm going to say no, because I think, and I don't know if that's in the Celtics thinking maybe, look, let's have Jason. I could see them doing that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it could be, but my thing is, and they've been great together and it's been a switch where now Jaylen has been the number one guy and I would want that as much as possible. Like going into the playoffs, I'd want them to continue to play this way together as much as possible, because I don't think this will happen. But theoretically, if Jason goes out there and drops 47 and now say, I need to be back to the point, you know, like, I'm just, I don't think that will happen. But I mean, here's disrupt chemistry, I guess. Here's why I'm not worried about that. I think if Tatum was at all concerned about his overall actual stature within the team, he would have waited until next year to come back. I think that the, he opted into coming back, coming back at a time so quickly where, with Jaylen playing so well, where he knew, you know, for at least the first month or two, or maybe the entirety of my first season back, this season, this guy's, you know, going to be the number one option. And I'm choosing to do that. If he was, I think, self-conscious, or I don't know if that's the right word, but concerned about that, he certainly, nobody would have been like, what's taken him so long because he didn't have the quickest Achilles rehab ever. And I also think, I mean, I think most, the vast majority of basketball fans, if not universally, and I would guess Tatum also, I think, let me put it like this, I think everybody basically acknowledges Jason Tatum is a better player than Jaylen Brown. I think the only person that probably in their head disagrees with that is Jaylen Brown, which is totally fine. Like he can, everybody should feel that way about themselves. And so I think Tatum is self-confident enough to not be concerned about that, the hierarchy. But how about this? How about this? And I don't think they would have won it without him. But is there a part of you, him, or their man, they look good. If they win it without me, I mean, I'm just with human beings, of course, no, I don't think they would have won it without him. But I'm saying that I think that answers your mind. And I think what more, but the flip side of what enters your mind is anybody that questions, you know, my, you know, my value or the fact that I didn't win finals MVP and Jaylen did, watch them go through a playoff run without me and see that could have been the instead, none of that was there. This was a truly, in my humble estimation, a real team first decision to come back as quickly as he did, knowing he was, he goes team first. I think that he did it. I don't know that he does it if they're not a piece away from being able to win the title. Oh, yeah, I agree. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. They're struggling. If they were 35 and 30, that's the wrong caliber and style. Yeah, not even that bad. But if they were just if they had been the eight seed all year, I don't know that he comes back. But because I think he made the decision. This is a really good team that if I get back to most, you know, 80% of myself can be a great team. And so I will come in even if my numbers are not going to be what they historically are. What I think everyone is surprised by maybe Jason isn't. But what I think everyone is surprised by is how quickly the numbers have gotten back to almost his career averages. Yeah, like that's been that's been stunning. One wild thing, but it has popped up. Like if there's a cricket in your house, you don't quite know where it is, but it's somewhere. It's like, it just makes a little noise. You see this like Giannis complimenting Joe Missoula, Celtics were, you know, gave the bucks a call, potential suitors. I don't know what the package is, but did that hit your radar at all? It hit my radar, but it is, I want to see all these playoffs go, but it is not the move I would be desperate to make if I were Boston. I don't know. Like you said, you want to see how the playoffs go. But if you're Boston, and again, if you're looking at a potential of Wimbledon in the future, if you're looking at OKC, now again, if they beat OKC in the finals, then you don't worry about it. But if you're looking at the way the teams in the West are kind of stacking up, and maybe even the potential of Giannis going to Houston or something, I might look at that. They have a lot of pieces, obviously, they have assets and everything. I think the what, but I guess my thought for the reason I said I wouldn't be rushing to do it is, I think the only way they would be able to do it is it would essentially just be Giannis for Jalen Brown. I don't think I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you know what I mean? I want to keep the other two, Jalen and Jason. Right. And I don't think they can piece it together. Financially, right. And so I was surprised that it popped up. And it also, yeah, I would not, even though Giannis is better than Jalen because of his injury history, I'd be hesitant to do that because Giannis has just been hurt so much. And you would drastically be changing your style. It would not be this five-out, three-point, you know what I mean? And I don't think the Bucks are going to be able to get certainly a better individual player than Jalen Brown in any of these trades. But it also to me would not, that maybe I'm wrong. I haven't spent a lot of time on the trade between the Celtics and Giannis trade. Maybe they could piece it together without touching Brown or Tatum. But also if I'm the Bucks, trading for Jalen Brown when you don't own your future draft picks and he's, again, he's not an old player, but it's just you are, if you trade Giannis, you are starting over, starting over with a guy who was a borderline first team all NBA guy who's 30 or 30 yet. But he's not 30 yet, but he's going to be 30. Yeah. So I, the, yeah. Listen, I think they're going to win the title. And I think Tatum is going to be the first in there. Tatum and Brown is going to be the first in this group to two rings. Like that's the, that's to me the like cool question about these playoffs is Joker going to get a second ring, is Shea going to get a second ring, are these guys going to have their second ring or to be fair is Wimby going to get his first and really re-orientate. Is it going to continue this parody? Yeah. One ring for you, one ring for you, one ring for me. Wow. I like that. I like that a lot. Ruben Bain in Kansas City, that's next. Coming up on Sunday, NASCAR hits the last great Coliseum with the best of the best with the slowdown Tyler Redick. Michael Jordan's red hot season. Cup series hits short track in Bristol Sunday, three Eastern, pre-race coverage starts at two right here on FS one. Welcome back to the show. Talking to NFL draft, the Chiefs are hosting Ruben Bain Jr. for a visit today. Chiefs defense last four seasons. I know what you're thinking. Wow. Great sack percentage, right? Yeah, usually. But last year down at 6.4. Less two years. Oh, less two years, I'm sorry. I was thinking it was like a basketball season. 22nd in the league, what Bain Jr. was the defensive player of the year in the ACC at almost 10 sacks is past Russia, Kansas City's number one need. It is now that they added Kenneth Walker. Listen, they have not, the last thousand-yard rusher they had was before Mahomes took over as starter. And they had been able to piece it together and they had such an explosive passing game and Kelsey was such a dynamic weapon. And then that slowly somewhat atrophied. And to my eye, teams had such little respect for the Chiefs ability to break explosive runs. They were always daring them to run. The Chiefs couldn't consistently run, except for on third and one and fourth and one where they were better than the touch push. Like they were elite at that cream hunt, getting a yard and a half play. And so they had to address that, but they addressed it. And when I watched the Chiefs last year, and you guys heard me talking about this after the first game of the season against the Chargers, third and long get off the field, they couldn't because they could not get, you know, get a good enough pass rush. Now I understand coach, they got, they lost or traded away basically their entire secondary. I have such faith in Spag's ability to coach up secondary players and Veach's ability to draft secondary players. That's where they have gotten good value year after year and gotten great play out of young players. I don't look at that as pressing of a need as somebody other than Chris Jones, who can get pressure without Spag's having to scheme it up. Somebody who can just win a one on one or God forbid a double team matchup. So yes, I think this is their number one need by a lot. Yeah, I looked at those numbers too, but they were six then points loud last year, right? So that's a very impressive number. And with Spag's, it's not always about the one on one pass rush more often than not. I'd say the majority of the time it is some sort of scheme related defense. But don't you think he would let's because they don't have a guy like it has to be schemed up because they don't have a guy who can win on his own? Maybe maybe he increases a little bit, but his track record over time has always been being multiple, bringing a lot of different pressure packages. A lot of guys involved in the pressure packages. So but when I look at the chiefs, I also think how are they affecting people in the passing game? In Travis Scott, he was a leading receiver last year. How many maybe this is a swan song. I know he signed a three year deal, but it's hard to imagine that it's going to be multiple years with the reevaluant getting another tight end that can actually affect the passing game in that intermediate area. Give Mahomes an option. Give Kelsey the chance to teach someone all the things that he could potentially teach someone or maybe even an outside receiver. Silver She-Rice, where he played seven games last season. He was I think second on the team in yards. I know we talk about the receivers, but really who's their dynamic threat outside? And I'm not usually an advocate of when you've got a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, oh, hey, we got to add all these weapons to it. But there's six ten points allowed and they weren't very good offensively. Andy's coming off an injury and their leading receiver is 30 whatever years old and probably in his last year. I like the Kenneth Walker decision a lot. You know, offensive line, those guys are coming back, but they were what, 22nd and sacks allowed. So it's not like they, you know, that's that's a great stat either. So I'm not, I don't have as much of a conviction as you do that past rusher is their their first priority. Look, the bottom line from your guys conversation and I agree they need, they got a lot of holes to fill. Yeah, so yeah, they definitely need the edge rusher. No doubt about that. And the receivers, yes, they need weapons. But I'm even again, defense looking at the defensive backfield like you brought up. I mean, they lost three starters. And so there, I mean, obviously the plan is we're going to, you know, draft some of these cornerbacks and you know, safety or whatever and coach them up. But that's a huge knee. I mean, obviously you lost three starters. So you got now you can say, well, if they get more pressure on the quarterback, it takes less, less pressure off the deep off the backfield. But those three areas are all where they need to hit. So I look if I had a cornerback or something that I loved, I might take him. Well, they would, they almost assuredly, I would be very surprised if they don't have the ability to take the first corner of the draft. Like I don't think a corner is going to go picks one through eight. I that is, I would be very surprised. I know a lot of mock drafts disagree with me. Me personally, I would be very surprised if they take a corner at nine and I would be stunned if they take an offensive lineman at nine. I think that they if they do go defensive player that isn't a pass rusher at nine, I think it would be Caleb Downs, the safety and secondary player, but yeah, safety. And I think wide receiver is possible. I don't think it is. I think that if, if carnell Tate were there, I think they would take him. If carnell Tate isn't there taking the second receiver off the board at with the ninth pick, you know, you see how things fall. But I, I'm a big believer that South the salaries of players don't lie about how the league is valuing guys and which makes pass rusher and receiver the ability to get a potential star player at one of those spots on a rookie deal so much more valuable than a star tight end or a star safety like those, those guys, the best at those spots now make 40 million a year. The chiefs hope and I would believe they're not going to be drafting in the top 10 again anytime soon. Like this is a very unique opportunity. The question is he an elite? Well, coach scared me. I was, I was all in on Ruben Bay and then coach was talking Colisea Cancie. I liked the brand in Graham. I saw Brandon Graham strip Tom Brady went to Super Bowl. I understand. I get it. The T-Rex thing. And didn't you make fun of it? I know we're in a spot because I kept calling Will Campbell T-Rex on every week and now he's about to be a guard. However, he's not going to be a guard. He's going to be a guard. He's going to be a very good guard. So I made me nervous. You made me nervous. I'm sorry. Live from New York, first things first, overtime, starting Danny Park into a new jacket looking great. Lakers Warriors tonight. We're looking forward to it. Problem is Steph's not playing. But is there a chance LeBron and Steph team up next year? We discussed. Meanwhile, do the Rams have the blueprint for a successful draft after winning a Super Bowl and making it to Parking Super Bowl last year? Which is kind of still upset about that, but you're proven right. And finally, how much pressure is on the chiefs to rebuild their roster? I'm a little bit nervous as a Kansas City Chiefs fan. Was the general public when you put out that little poll today? No, Chiefs are still getting a lot of love from... Not as Vegas feel. Five years, yeah. You gotta believe in all of that. No, KW thinks they're done. I don't think they're done, but they're just like, name their needs and then we just keep talking about it. I mean, I'm like, man, is this a podcast? Yeah, segment. But not a little overback. It was. I understand that's how we discuss it. I think it's a little overblown. I hope so because I'm a Chiefs guy. I am. You're not. I mean, you're not welcoming the whole state of Missouri or Kansas. Yeah, they're moving. I'm definitely welcoming Kansas. I'm a huge J-hawk. Danny Park and Nick Ryke, Kevin Wowsie, Loz, Kansas City, and Chris Brassard. SGA and the Thunder won again. SGA scored 20 again. They clinched the number one. Free throws made the first time in forever. Oh, they're going for a championship again. Here's SGA post game. It feels better for sure. Not only because we've had to weather a little bit more, but just like repeating something and doing it again is always a little bit harder. It's a little more challenging. The league gets better. Players get better. And for us to still have the best overall record through that and ups and downs speaks volume to the teams, speaks volumes to the guys in the summer times getting better individually, coaching staff getting better individually. And we always say at the beginning of the season, like no matter what happened, we have to earn what we get and making the playoffs in our seating. And we earned the first overall seed. Parkans, you unleashed a OKC Thunder opus yesterday during the A-block of the program. I cannot wait for Danny's answer to this because I just can't wait. Because I just want to split screen of Danny's statements and Brew's reaction to that. I just can't wait. Now you got another cue. You don't know what I'm going to say. No, but I have an idea of what you're going to say and how you're going to defend it. And I think Brew is going to be apple-plating. I can't wait. OK. OK. If we want to do a split screen, I want to give us a second. Here we go. What's another MVP and title mean for SGA? Brew, follow me down this track. Yes. If you bring up the name Michael Jordan. I knew it. If we all agree, and I've been watching Brew's ballot, he seems to be a heavy favorite for MVP. So that would be multiple career MVPs and back to back. They are the favorite to win the title. And I assume we all believe that if they win the title, he is the heavy, heavy, heavy favorite for finals MVP. So if that happens, we will have to confront some very uncomfortable realities because SGA will enter a list of the most exclusive club that exists in the NBA. There are six guys and it's arguably the six best players in the history of the sport because finals MVP wasn't a thing for Bill Russell so much so that they named the award. So they are arguably six best modern era. Correct. That is arguably the top six depending on what you do with Bird and Duncan. Those are the only guys with multiple regular season MVPs and finals MVPs. And if I parse for doing it back to back, it's Jordan LeBron and Shay. So he'd be one of seven and one of three. And he would deserve it. Okay. I mean, I don't I mean, what does that mean? Well, you tell me because he's one of the top because he would objectively be in this grouping of players that Kobe Bryant and Shaq and all of these other Hakeem, all these other all timers are not in and it would make us confront some maybe uncomfortable conversations. Right. Can he be a top 10 player of all time? Right now. With what he's accomplished at 27 years old. If they do that, we're all of a sudden next season talking about him as a top 10 player of all time. We have to, based on accomplishments, why would we not? Because he's not. Okay. I was going to go similar. I mean, somewhat similar in that Interesting. If we call him a point guard, there've only been and let me put it this way. The two small point guards who have led teams to multiple championships, Steph and Isaiah Thomas, that's it. Yeah. When you say just guards, because for the bulk of the history of the game, it's been big men are the ones that lead championships and dynasties and stuff. Guards, in addition to Steph and Isaiah, multiple titles, Magic, Michael and Kobe. And then it would be Shay. But if you take, if you say multiple MVPs and multiple championships for a team led by a guard, it'd be Steph, Magic and Michael and then Shay. So he is in, but I don't think it's just. So basically, I think what you're trying to say, will we say he's better than Kobe? Is that because he'd have more, he's got, he would have more, he will have more MVPs than Kobe. And he is 27 years old on a young team that would be back to back and set up to win for the next five years. So the question, could he be one day in the top 10? There's no way I will be saying beginning the next season in July or whatever, whenever they win, if they win the championship MVP, that he's all of a sudden the top 10 player. I will open up the possibility of perhaps if he keeps accomplishing type stuff like this. But right now, no, and I don't think he's, I don't think he's saying that he would be building the resume of a top 10 player. He's on top 10 trajectory. Yes. But my point is that is objectively true. And nobody talks about him like that. Yeah, because and here's, and here's why I think that is. Let's say he does all that. Yeah. If we just talk about where he is right now, if you froze history and he had all these accomplishments in historical rankings amongst his contemporaries, I would not, if he pulls this off, which I feel like he's already pulled off the MVP. So we're talking about them winning the title and I still would not have him ahead of Nikola Jokic historically, Kevin Durant historically, Janus historically, much less, obviously not stepper LeBron, who are like to me, Jokic will have more and still have more MVPs. Janus will have the same plus a defensive player of the year. He will have one more title than either of those guys for Durant. He would have same titles, fewer finals appearances, one more MVP. I just don't heat now. I would probably eight years younger than KD four years younger than Janus. So but I think we have to be careful with the assumption of guys because they're this age and they accomplished that Janus, but he will have more championships. And like, but Janus when Janus won his title and was a two time MVP and defensive player of the year, he was younger than Shay is right now. And Janus has really not moved a step further along in the all time legacy, you know, I might five years since then. I may be what put him ahead of Durant. Wow. I he's leading the team to champions. I mean, and he's as good of a score as Durant. He's a better defender than Durant. And he's showing he can lead a team, which Durant to me has. Would you have him ahead of Isaiah, Bruce? No. So that so that the I do think like here's what I'm comfortable saying because where I think we and I I think this era is showing this to us. I think we can get ourselves in a bit of trouble when we're like, well, he did this by this age. So what's he going to do by that age? Because all these guys have then they've done it and then they've gone on something of a drought. I know you are of the belief that this Thunder team is inevitable for the rest of the decade. I am not quite as I think they are a inevitable contender for the rest of the decade. And that is just based based on the the age of their core and the if you don't think Sam Presti is the best executive in the sport, he's the second best. They have the most draft capital, they've got the best executive. I think that's obvious that there'll be a continue. I think they'll be they'll continue to be in the mix. I don't. So that means he will play 150 200 200 plus playoff games. Like he's just he's going to keep being there. He's going to continue to score 20 points, 30 points a game for for years and years. He's 27 years old. Can I ask you no he's phenomenal. Yeah, there's no way I'd put him about the Isaiah stuff got my antennas up. I don't know what Isaiah has over and again, this just pop quiz. Isaiah has over SGA resume wise. I say he has a winning playoff record against Magic Bird and Michael Jordan. And I think a little bit and he won a little bit of a boutique stat, but sure. Well, he's clearly a better passer. He in I think I'm certain she's going to have two MVP. No, he let it in that era. They really weren't giving guards MVP, but other than like the small players. My question is this, ask around. Do you feel like we're suffering almost from a reverse recency bias? So I. The Isaiah is I think a tough is a tough one to ask because you happen to do the show with of everyone in the media. I think Bru and I have Isaiah higher than literally everyone else. So like we're a weird audience for that because the I'm of the belief that and I think Isaiah has proof of this that he could have scored way more than he did and he understood what as a true point guard, the way to get his team to play the best defense was to get guys shots and things like so I think his stats and his advanced numbers are not good. His MVP finish. I just think he was a defining and not just he won. He was the reason in my opinion. He was the reason. Look at the talent. Not he obviously had talent around him, but look at what bird had with him. Look at what magic had with him. No, he was able to beat them. And so but so let me use maybe an guy that I do. Let me say this. I do think he will unquestionably and I think some people will blanch at some of these names have moved ahead of a lot of the greatest guards ever. Like if we did a list of guards who are definitively better than Shay if he pulls this off to me, it would be Michael, Steph, Kobe. I would still have magic obviously. I wouldn't think about magic. And then you can start having arguments. Like that's the first thing I wrote down was Shay is going to make people confront some very interesting realities. Yeah, I'm not saying it's a finished product. I'm not saying the thing I'm not even here saying he is a top 10 player of all time. That would be ridiculous. But what he has accomplished at 27 at his position with how he is set up to age well with a team around him to do a heck of a lot of winning and scoring. He's building a case. I think my question for you is because I don't think you're right now. It's way too early to think about Michael or magic. Are you? Of course. But what about Kobe in your mind? I'm not thinking about Kobe with him, but what about you? Because it sounds like I loved Kobe. I have some childhood nostalgia for the guy who kind of emulated everything after Michael Jordan, my favorite athlete of all time. So at first blush, like it's a ridiculous notion. But it's possible. I absolutely think it's possible. But not right now. But not right now. Okay, but not right now. So I if one more minute here, if we could, Christina, I'm interested in your guy where you guys are on this. The only projection I want on this is they win the title. He's finals MVP. You know what I mean? It's two MVP, two regular MVP, two titles, two finals. And smash cut. Make a new list of the greatest players ever. Is he ahead of Dwayne Wade? Yes. Okay. So he's definitively then ahead of John Stockton and James Harden and Alan Iverson. And he's definitively ahead of all those guys. So it really is. He is fighting and clawing for fifth best guard ever with Isaiah Thomas. That's what we're saying. If they pull this off. That's what we're saying. Yes. Yeah, I don't even think that's much of an argument. Oh, and you don't even think you got him. Just two MVPs. The I don't know. I mean, he's obviously ahead of Nash. You want me to be sort of high if there's someone I forget. Oscar and Jerry West. But if we just want to do the last 50 years, you know, if we did like Kareem to now, it'd be Michael, Kobe, I'm sorry, Michael Magic, Kobe, Steph, SGA. Or Isaiah. But those are the six greatest guards of this half century. Yeah, you have to put it, if he pulls this off. That's remarkable. And here's what's interesting. That's remarkable. But I tend to agree with that. But a year ago, we thought Celtic's going to win it. Yes. Two years ago, we thought at this exact time, Denver's going to win it. Yeah. If they don't win it, then it's all of that is just gone. And he's a two time. He's obviously going to be on he's on all time. When it is he ahead of Dwayne way. As a two time MVP, Wade has zero MVP's. Wade has three championship five finals appearances, one finals MVP. I would say he'd be in root because Wade's career was obviously shortened. Yep. I think that's totally fair. Yeah, but not I would not be ready. I think I think you need multiple titles for a guy at 27 to leapfrog all time guys whose careers are finished and they're already in the hall of fame. That was a good conversation, Danny. Good job. Thanks. Excellent. I appreciate that. That one. That was great. I thought I was like, I kind of I kind of birddog Danny's crap. I saw a lot of pictures of Michael. Nick made me think you were going to put him in the head of George. No, I was hoping uncomfortable conversations. Lakers at Warriors. We thought it would be another classic chapter of Steph vs. LeBron. But the problem is Steph is out. So the question is, are we going to see these two team up next year? Not necessarily. Don't give me the possibility of it. Tell me if you want to see it, Danny. So I think you guys won't like my answer as much this one. No, not really. But I I'm still holding out hope that Yanis plays his whole career wearing one jersey. Like LeBron Cleveland to Miami to Cleveland to LA. I don't need to see LeBron in a fourth jersey. But at this point, does it matter with the Lakers? He doesn't want to. Cleveland. He's bounced around so much though. That's that's part of his legacy. Like, I don't think it matters. Four or five, right? Go back to Cleveland. If you don't, if you don't wear your buddy James Harden might have ruined that. I mean, depends on what LeBron's willing to play for us last year. No, I'm saying I just don't think I think Harden makes the style. It's so weird. Like I just think if if you have Donovan Mitchell and James Harden on your team, he finds to start. No, LeBron can do anything. He's the Swiss. Well, he has shown that he could if he wanted to. But if I'm LeBron, right, but I would rather be, I would rather have if I'm going to take a third role, I'd rather be Luca as the guy doing all the dribbling than James Harden. Yeah. Like, yeah. And so like that, like to me, if he's going to have this Swiss Army knife role, do it in LA. I agree with you. If he's, and so that the Cleveland thing is less attractive once they got hardened to me. I think Mobley and Jared Allen and the defense to make up for what LeBron doesn't want to do necessarily on that end of the floor makes that more interesting. LeBron and Steph, they're great friends. He's friends with Dremond. It would be interesting. An interesting basketball visual. They want a gold medal together. Like I get it's cooler than Jordan ending with the Wizards. Like it would be something for him in that category. But I just, I don't like the different teams all the time thing. I don't. I just think that ship is sailed. I know it has. Also, to be fair, he's, I mean, he's been on the Lakers. This is, he got there in 19. So he's, I mean, it's not, he's not bouncing around right. He went seven years with the Cavs, four with the Heat, four with the Cavs, and now eight with the Lakers. What I'm saying is for, for the longest, it's the longest consecutive. I'm just saying for the, for the all time guys for his company, Jordan, two jerseys, Duncan, one jersey, Kobe, one jersey, third one jersey. Shaq bounced all around. Okay. Yeah. But it was cheapened at the, at the end. Because Shaq was a shell of himself at the end. Like, listen, I do want to see him in a new jersey. I, the, the Warriors are my third pick. Ideally, your new number one would be the next. So we can daff him up. No, I mean, I do, I do want him to go to the, the, the Knicks are my first draft pick. The Nuggets are my second. The Warriors are my third. The Cavs, the, if the Cavs did something with Harden, it becomes more interesting to me. And maybe after a playoffs, it's disappointing with Harden, they'll want to get out of that business as well. But I just, like, I think LeBron tonight, actually, I'm less optimistic now that Steph is out tonight. But if I, when I thought Steph was playing, I thought LeBron was going to have 30 point triple double, a 40 point, maybe the final 40 point game of his career, like that. He can still ramp it up, particularly against, you know, if it's, if it's not a great opponent and he is trying to put on a show. And so I still think he can get, we saw in the last game he played, he had 30 points, 15 assists. So I only want to take on that tertiary role if it's for a great player at the peak of his powers. And I don't look at as good as Donovan is, and as good as Harden was at one point in his career. That doesn't feel the same as stepping back for Luca or stepping back for Joker and Denver. With the Warriors at least, I think he would be, he could be in Draymine's offensive role, but obviously a better shooter. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Now that would be interesting. Draymine would help defensively. I don't know where Draymine would go offensively. Yeah. Because he's not a shooter. The bench. I rather, if I'm going to state my dream would be to get Yanis first. But look, I would like, if they can't get Yanis, I'd love to see LeBron there. It'd just be a fun story. It wouldn't, they wouldn't, now they would be pretty good. If Butler's healthy, obviously Ken LeBron and Steph stay healthy for the bulk of next season too. But if those two are healthy plus Butler, they'd be pretty good. They wouldn't be able to win the West, but they would be a pretty good and interesting thing. And that's the thing. It'd be a great story. I think with the Knicks, they can win the East. That's the question. Are we doing cool story, fun basketball experiment, or trying to win a title? That's what I think LeBron is trying to figure out. Because like, I don't know, just feels weird. I can't see him. I think he was this day in LA. I don't know why. I did not think Denver's possibility. But then McMenerman and Bond Timbs wrote that article. They listed six teams. One of them was Denver. They reminded me LeBron's dear friend, Josh Cronkey, owns the team. Jared Dudley is, you know, one of the coaches. I also was reminded of, now again, I think this had to do more with Maverick and that potential league he was doing of LeBron and Maverick and Joker's agent hanging out on that boat. Like there were, there's, there was just enough there where I was like, hmm, and the fact that the Nuggets could, because they're probably losing Peyton Watson, because they paid Christian Brown instead of Watson, they have the sign and trade ability where LeBron wouldn't have to play for the minimum. All those things, maybe say, hmm, even though I didn't, I thought it was clearly going to be back home to Cleveland, one year with the Knicks or team up with Steph. This seemed to be a new, I think if you were in any creative field, let's call basketball creative field, I think there's some enjoyment in playing with the best. If you were in a band, that's why I wanted to work with you buddy. Wow. But I think it'd be like, you know what, like when Durant played for the Warriors, a lot of his early quotes were like, this is really fun. I'm having really fun playing basketball. I don't necessarily think it's title, certainly it's not financial number one. No. I think fun is higher on his list and I don't think he's having, the winning is fun, but I think from that quote we played for the, in the Mavs game, I don't think playing fun, playing with Luca is fun. And playing with Joker would be a blast. His name's Joker. That's it for me. Signing off. Wow. Happy friend of me's Thursday, myself and Nick Wright hanging out. Let's go to your hometown of Kansas City. Chiefs hosting Edge rusher, Reuben Bain out of Miami on a top 30 visit. I think at one point you said this was an ideal outcome. Yeah. But then Manjeanie worried me about his short arm. It's called a Colisea Cancie and freaked out. Oh, that's not good. T-Rex is a pass rusher. You don't want that. It's a unique draft where you got Patrick Mahomes and a top 10 pick and two first round picks. Wanted to throw this at you too. The core is old. The guys that you would most know and care about. Yes, Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith, two of the highest paid guys and excellent offensive linemen, not, not on the list. But it's a unique time for Brett Veach that he hopes to never have another top 10 pick in Mahomes' prime. Given the reality of the core of that roster, a top 10 pick, how key do you look at where like two weeks away from the draft? Well, listen, I, they have to nail it. Yes, of course. I mean, it's like the draft after they traded Tyreek. They have to nail it. I don't agree with you. The core is old. Don't. No, I mean, the players you put on there, there's two core pieces plus Travis and Travis is, this is a bonus year for me from Travis. Like the, I mean, Drew Tranquil and Kyrie Tonga has never played a game for the Chiefs. Those are just the 30 and over guys. Listen, but who their best offensive player and their best defensive player are old and Travis obviously is the oldest skill position guy in the league. But I thought he was going to be retired. So like I'm not, I, you said Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith, we'll see if the wide receivers can play up to what I thought they could for each of them after their rookie seasons, but Rishi Rice and Xavier Worthy are not old. Kenneth Walker is not old. The only old defensive player they have of note is Chris Jones. Now it's unproven, but I don't, I don't look at them as like this aging roster. I look at them as a roster with a lot to prove. Do you look at them as a good roster? So yeah, Patrick Mohm's on the roster. No, no, we are in agreement on that. So we are in complete agreement on that. But we saw it with Aaron Rodgers. I think we've seen it some with Mahomes. Like if you have the best quarterback in the world, it's a great deodorant for a lot of problems on your team. Yeah. And Aaron Rodgers, so that's, I just, I reject the comparison. Aaron Rodgers in his career was a good enough deodorant to make one Super Bowl. And Patrick, Patrick is the most talented quarterback in the history of the league. He is not though. He is not the only reason they've been to five of seven Super Bowls or the five of eight at this point. So the reason, so I, they're, the entirety of their offensive line is young. They have a second year left tackle, a third year left guard, Creed, who is entering his fourth year, entering his fifth year. Creed and Trey were in the 2021 draft. Yes. The year after they got blitzed. And that's right. And so they're both entering their sixth year. They just, the, um, and the receivers are young. And, but what is true is this, that Carl Aftis is young. He has, you know, last year was a down year for him. Last year was not a good year for Rishi Rice, on or off the field, obviously. Xavier Worthy season seemed to end in week one. There's a lot of question marks in that regard. And they do have, they made the tough decisions of trading away, one of their best young players in Trent McDuffie, letting another one of their better young players in Jalen Watson walk. So they need Noel Williams to step up. They need to hit on the draft. But I, I don't, I don't look at this chief's team as a team that has just holes all over the place. I look at that. They desperately need an impact pass rusher. I think they would like to, they either need to acquire a wide receiver or have Rishi get back on track. The track he was after his rookie year, when he was outstanding or Xavier Worthy, the track he was on after the second half of his rookie year, when he was really coming on, both of those would be great. And they need to do what they've done three times since Spags has been there, remake the second area as a whole. I think the people that are talking about offensive line are out of their mind. They have, that'd be weird. And they, they have a, we will see who they're starting right tackle is, but you don't, the, they know who four of their five offensive line stars are. That's not the need for them. But yeah, this, I believe will be the only top 10 pick Brett Beach can ever make with Patrick Moems on the roster. And you have another first rounder and you have an early second rounder. Like you need three impact guys in those top 40 picks. And you know, I was just looking back at the history. He obviously has hits and he's a very sharp general manager and they've done an amazing job with like signing their guys. And I think they've sold high on like luxurious need. That trade was great. But that 2021 draft after they lost the Super World of Tampa, it's like, oh, you got two all town, all world talent offensive linemen. Great draft. There's a lot of drafts where there's not a ton of hits here. And you know, Snead and, and uh, well, the draft, the draft after the Tyreek trade was one of the best drafts any teams had this decade. That wasn't the 2021 draft. That was the, that was the McDuffie, Carl Loftus, Jalen Watson, the, but the draft after that, that they went from a draft where every single player they drafted was a hit and got a second contract in this league to a draft where basically every single player was a miss. And so like that is so yeah, you need to drafts hard. You, but they have to nail this one. It feels to me like they also owe it to my homes to use the ninth pick on an offensive player. Like, like just you've, you're amazing. The stats and the offensive production have dipped a little bit. We're not going to ever be in this position again. So by that, you mean a wide receiver? Yeah. A weapon. The, well, I mean, you wouldn't want them to draft the tight end out of Oregon at nine. I don't think probably, probably not unless you really believe the, unless you really, and I don't think Jeremiah Love will be there obviously. And they don't either because they did the Kenneth Walker thing. Yeah. I mean, listen, if Carnell Tate were there at nine, they'll take him. I don't think Carnell Tate might not be there at three. I think there's a chance the Jets take him at two. I think it's, they, and I would be shocked if Carnell Tate is there at nine. After that, I, I think what the team needs more than anything is a pass rusher. And I think that the, that's why I've kind of circled Reuben Bain. Obviously, if for some reason one of the guys who is, you know, considered, there's a different blue chip pass rusher that falls great. That's where I'm focused. It seems like most of a lot of the mock drafts out there are focused on offensive linemen. I am here to tell you, I would be gobsmacked if the chiefs selected an offensive lineman at the ninth pick after taking a left tackle with the first round pick last year. All right. Let's talk Lamar and Baltimore here real quick. Zay Flowers basically said Lamar wants to win a Super Bowl and he wants to get a ring and this is our window. That's, we don't need to play it for you. That's what he said. So the question here, Nick, is not everyone can win one. Yeah. Every era, there's a great quarterback who doesn't. What do you think never winning a Super Bowl would mean for Lamar? I think he becomes the NFL's Barkley, right? The greatest player ever without a, the greatest quarterback ever without a ring. I, the, I mean, right now, do you have off the top of your head who you think that is? Like some would say Jim Kelly, because he went to four. Marino. So obviously, I'm an idiot. Obviously, Marino was the one. I wrote down Marino and Barkley as guys. Yeah. So we're like, well, I think he, I think some people would still say they think Marino's better than him, but he becomes the modern era. Correct. Marino. I was thinking post-Marino, the best quarterback ever. And because after, like it's the thing is this, there's not a lot of quarterbacks with multiple, but there's a bunch of quarterbacks with the one. And because of that, there's not a lot of legendary quarterbacks of our lifetime, part of becoming a legendary quarterback. Like Bree's got the one. Yes. Bree's got the one. And Rogers obviously was a true legend, has one. Farve has one. I, now listen, that is, I guess I'm assuming when I say that, Josh does get one because I think Josh is, even though it doesn't have the MVP is a better player than Lamar. If they both finished without one, that would be weird. But some of these guys are going to finish without one. Like I think burrow is a big dog to win one. And I think Lamar is a slight dog to win one. Right. I think Josh is a heavy favorite to get one. And Ravens fans don't like it when I say this. If you had to just bet on the guy who's going to like, of those three of the contemporary of Josh Lamar and burrow, who is going to like rank their thirties? Because Lamar is 29 right now. Would you go Josh burrow Lamar or Josh Lamar burrow? Because I think I would have Lamar third. As far as individual player, there's a chance I would rank burrow first. Because I do, I think that there is whatever concern we have about how Lamar is going to age, that concern definitively exists for Josh as well. Burrow has had more injuries, but he also seems like a guy who is so unreliant on athleticism that I think he could maybe have the longest career of all of them. But either way, I think I would rank Lamar third, which is your point. Which is exactly my point. And so it's, I'd put him as a dog to win a Super Bowl, even though the organization is great, the division is winnable. But someone has to be, and he's obviously better like, someone had to be Phillip Rivers in that, Aaron. Yeah, that'll be Justin Herbert. So don't worry about that. Same franchise. I walked right into that one. You don't have to worry about who's going to be Phillip Rivers. We know who's going to be Phillip Rivers. But yes, and the tactical error. And this is, there's, this is the issue of some folks think Herbert's an all-time great talent. He's in the AFC. You know, some folks think Trevor is underrated. He's in the AFC. Drake May. The Drake May is, you know, objectively coming off an unbelievable second season. Patrick is, you know, I think the death of the Chiefs has been called prematurely. And that's just to get to a Super Bowl. Correct. You gotta lose to Caleb. Sure. I mean, Caleb at some point, I believe, will get one. Like it is just a tough spot. And I think, I think Lamar is a favorite not to win. Good addition to front of me is except for that Justin Herbert landmine by Stepdown. Yeah, sit right on it. We are 14 days away from the 2026 NFL draft. We want to bring you inside the OT war room where every day we're talking the biggest storylines ahead of the draft. And it is just three guys who share four Super Bowl rings between us. I'm going to beat that joke into the ground. And today it's going to be a little different. This is more of a thought exercise. Okay. You see the, I like to imagine in these war rooms, coach, pots of coffee, we're probably not wearing suits and ties. And someone's just like, Hey, I got a crazy idea. So I got a little bit of a crazy idea here. You see the Rams, they've got the 13th pick in the draft. Well, that's an unconventional place for them, because historically, they don't really make picks. Since 2017, less need Sean McVeigh, they have made the fewest first round, think about one first round pick since 2017. And it was Jared verse. And obviously he's been great. But in that period of time, they have the fifth most win, the fifth best win percentage in the NFL, obviously with deep playoff runs and a Super Bowl in that time period too. So I guess the question, the big picture thought that that makes me think about one first round pick, fifth most wins. Do we overvalue first round picks? I don't necessarily think that's the case. And look, this formula is work for the Rams. But when you look at what the Rams have done when they've actually drafted players, they've been one of the most successful teams with McVeigh in terms of the players that they do draft. And I'd be interested to see if they had kept those picks and gotten the young talent and infuse the team with guys that have much greater value from a salary cap standpoint than going to get high price free agents or trading for guys, established guys like that, where they would have been. They've done a great job when they stay in pick. So it's hard to say that's a great formula for people to follow. Yeah, it's tough. I think the first round is where the NFL sells hope at luxury prices. We tend to get these guys in the first round and we talk about them in such certainty. And we talk about draft projection, we talk about their dreams and there's so much hope that goes into it. And in my mindset, the sixth pick isn't the same as the 27th pick. The draft in the quarterback at that high round is not the same thing as drafting a running back. It's all positional. So I think sometimes we fall in love with the notion and the dream, but we don't realize that it comes with a lot of weight. And listen, I get it. The hit rate is tough. There's a lot of luck involved. There's a lot of situational stuff. And the value also is you get the player and you get the cost certainty. So you get a young player on a cheap contract where you can overachieve. But I do think the Rams are maybe presenting a blueprint for teams to look at and say, you know what, we have our quarterback, we're ready to win. We can be a little bit more aggressive for a sure thing. And we have younger general managers now that are a little bit more analytically driven. There's like a baseball culture that's come in a little bit of a moneyball culture. I do think a little prediction. I do think we are going to see more teams start to follow this model because you now know like that F them picks thing that less like you said it at them picks any one and it's a fascinating it's bold, right? And you don't like it, coach. I know it sticks with people. And I think this has changed too. When the new CBA came into play and first round picks, there was a salary cap for draft picks. Those draft picks actually became more valuable because they cost you less. And even they're at luxury prices, they're nowhere near the luxury prices that used to be prior to the old CBA. That's right. Yeah, I remember it's funny you said that because I remember when Jake Long got drafted, right? And remember when the money he got coming out of Michigan, like people like I play, I play some Marvell Smith was my left tackle at the Steelers. I remember Marvell being visually upset because he's like, this kid never played a down. He already got the bag and I've been a pro bowler and won a Superbowl and I don't even have that type of company. And that's why I think Danny's philosophy would have made more sense in the old CBA than with the new CBA. Okay, so that's that's that's happy. Let's just let's look at some of the the actual the data here. Let's look at who the Rams, what they have done. Okay, Jared Goff, Brandon Cooks, they win a Superbowl with Jaylen Ramsey. And obviously with Matt Stafford, he gets the MVP and he has the deep run last year. And then they do it again with Trent McDuffie. They traded out of the first round entirely in two of the drafts. But you look at those names, all of them worked. Right now, we'll see we'll see on McDuffie. Right, like that that he's a bona fide. He's an as president may speak for himself. He's awesome. So I guess, let me throw a team at you just hypothetically. The Buffalo Bills. We know they're good. We know they're going to be good every year. Last year was like a weird dysfunctional year and they won 12 games and then they ended up firing their coach like so their floor seems to be double digit wins. Can we show what Brandon Bean has done in the draft since picking Josh Allen? Ed Oliver is a very nice player. But it's not it's not a lot of production because you are with the Rams. You also you also took an organization that's been very unsuccessful with the draft. You went that you went to the other street. I did. But but but by the I'm saying if you're Buffalo and you have the 26th pick in the draft, it's hard to hit in the 26th. So so why not take a shot and say, you know what, I'm going to go get Dexter Lawrence. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to go get a proven player during Josh Allen's prime and copy less need a little bit and try to try to do it that way. The flip side of that is the Baltimore Ravens who have Lamar Jackson and they've been incredibly successful with with their first round draft picks and with their draft in general. That's right. You took Buffalo that has one of the worst hit rates as opposed to Baltimore who also has an elite quarterback who has one of the best hits or hit rates and you can't miss right. Like you're talking about just for example, Dexter Lawrence is coming off a bad year right injuries and all that he may fit a need. But you can't miss with him if you do make a deal like that and he's not the guy you expect him to be special with a defense that needs a hard nose nose tackle. Alright, so coach, you've been in these you're the only one of the three of us who've actually been in these war rooms. You've traded up, you've traded out, you've traded down. Do you have a favorite around the draft story because you did trade for one of the best defensive players? Yeah, well, it's there were three different scenarios where we traded for either traded for first round, draft pick traded up in the first round or traded back in the first round. If we can bring up the graphic. So these are the situations. My first year there, we traded John Abraham to Atlanta and then we ended up picking Nick Mangold. Nick had seven Pro Bowls. The next year we had to deal with Carolina in place the night before the draft where he said, look, if our guy is there, this is what our compensation will be. They agreed to the compensation. The guy was Doral Revis. He was sitting there when we wanted to draft. We made the trade which was come the night before and pick up Revis. So he goes to the Hall of Fame and then when I was in Cleveland, Alex Mack was a guy that we liked and we had targeted, but it was too high where we were drafting. Initially, we had the fifth overall pick. So we ended up trading back three different times, save $37 million from where he was slotted to where we took them, picked up extra draft picks and that ended up, you know, seven Pro Bowls as well. So I mean, the 21 Pro Bowls. I mean, those are your three. That's a flex. That was the first round draft picks. What a ridiculous graphic. Like, yeah, I did it three times. I won all three of them and on one of them, one of the best defense players ever. That's the real cause why? Because I want to hang out with you. Oh, okay. That's really nice of you, coach. And you traded up for a ticket to Revis Island. You didn't know Revis was going to be that though. I felt pretty good about where Revis was. That's why we decided to try. Look, can you protect a guy who's going to be in the Hall of Fame? You're always hoping when you draft a guy high that he's going to be that successful, but he checked every box and it worked out. Yeah. I mean, a lot of these guys, the problem is to not to be redundant, man. We treat them as guarantees when they're really just controlled assets, you know, and that's the way we have to be careful, especially when I mean, coach, I mean, that's the hell of a hit list. It's really, really, it's a great. I had a pretty big mist too with another guy, Vernon Golston, who did let him off the graphic. We probably should have traded out of that pick. We actually had a chance to trade back the time we would have taken Jarod Mano that probably will. Well, you can't get them all can't put that one on the graphic. I understand. Tune in tomorrow, day five of the OT front office. We'll put it on my general manager hat. We're going inside the war room for the chiefs. They got to nail that top 10 pick for Patrick Mahomes. That's tomorrow on the OT. I ask him a question like this all the time. Hey, do you like chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream? The minute a kid pauses, I don't really want that kid, right? Because you need to have some type of conviction, right? Rumor and different. So whether you like chocolate or you like vanilla, I don't really care. But if you sit there and say, ah, coach, I don't know. I want, is it melted? Is it not? What's the brand? So on and so forth. Like, what is this kid going to do on third down in front of 110,000? I have a long standing theory. Coach Mangini, please do not take this the wrong way. But I believe all coaches, especially football coaches, are kind of insane. You're kind of crazy people. That is a radic. Koakai, the quarterback coach of Oregon. Oh, chocolate or vanilla. I don't know. I like samples. Maybe today I want strawberry. Maybe I want to be swirl. Now I can't play in front of 100,000 people. It's insane. Look, I wish I could operate in a world where it's just two decisions and A or B and then you make the team. It doesn't work that way. By the way, half baked. Ben and Jerry's half baked for some raspberries. Like Rocky Road. It's Rocky Road. Perfect.