Bigfoot Society

Strange Experiences Near Jiminy Peak In The Massachusetts Berkshires

46 min
Mar 16, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Host Jeremiah Byron interviews Jennifer, a Massachusetts resident who shares unexplained experiences near Jiminy Peak in the Berkshires, including a low growl encounter, a house impact event, and a mysterious auditory phenomenon at a rest stop. The episode explores connections between Bigfoot sightings, paranormal activity, and quantum physics theories, while discussing witness credibility and the importance of supporting those who report unusual encounters.

Insights
  • Witness accounts of Bigfoot activity often correlate with other paranormal experiences, suggesting a potential unified phenomenon rather than isolated cryptid sightings
  • Sensory manipulation (selective hearing, pressure changes, auditory blackouts) reported across multiple independent witnesses in active Bigfoot areas indicates possible non-physical mechanisms
  • Geographic hotspots like October Mountain State Forest and Cobble Mountain Reservoir show clustering of reports, supporting targeted research areas
  • Witness reluctance to report experiences stems from social stigma and ridicule, creating a hidden dataset of potential evidence
  • The 'woo side' of Bigfoot (paranormal/dimensional aspects) is gaining acceptance among researchers as witness testimonies show consistent patterns across decades and regions
Trends
Convergence of cryptozoology and paranormal research into unified investigative frameworksIncreasing podcast-driven witness reporting creating decentralized documentation of anomalous phenomenaGeographic mapping of Bigfoot hotspots correlating with historical paranormal activity zonesWitness sensitivity to paranormal phenomena as potential predictor of Bigfoot encounter likelihoodGrowing acceptance of quantum physics and dimensional theories as explanatory models for cryptid behaviorCommunity-building around witness support and destigmatization of anomalous experience reportingDocumentary and festival-based experiential research (Sasquatch Summer Fest) as alternative to traditional scientific methodsMulti-generational family patterns in paranormal sensitivity suggesting hereditary or environmental factors
Topics
Bigfoot sightings in Massachusetts BerkshiresParanormal activity clustering near cryptid hotspotsWitness credibility and social stigma in anomalous reportingQuantum physics explanations for cryptid behaviorAuditory phenomena and sensory manipulation in Bigfoot encountersOctober Mountain State Forest activity patternsDimensional/portal theories in cryptozoologyInfrasound and pressure-based mechanisms in paranormal eventsGhost hunting and EVP investigation methodsWitness support and community building for paranormal experiencersGeographic hotspot mapping (Cobble Mountain Reservoir, Blandford State Forest)Multi-species Bigfoot theories (ancient ones vs. modern variants)Paranormal sensitivity as hereditary traitDocumentary filmmaking in cryptozoology researchPsychological impact of witness ridicule and isolation
People
Jeremiah Byron
Podcast host conducting interviews with Bigfoot witnesses and paranormal experiencers
Jennifer
Massachusetts resident sharing Bigfoot and paranormal experiences near Jiminy Peak resort
Leonard Nimoy
Referenced as host of 'In Search Of' television series that sparked witness's childhood interest
Dr. Simeon Hine
Author of 'Dark Matter Monsters' exploring quantum physics connections to paranormal phenomena
Bob Gimlin
Bigfoot researcher who experienced public ridicule and whose wife faced workplace harassment
Jason Kenzie
Creator of 'Searching for Sasquatch' documentary series and Sasquatch Summer Fest organizer
Ernie Devereux
Witness with hunting encounter near Cobble Mountain Reservoir in Massachusetts
Vogel brothers
Witnesses with multiple encounters near Cobble Mountain Reservoir area
Nora Mellon
Historical figure connected to Jennifer's Connecticut property; married Andrew Carnegie Mellon
Quotes
"I don't think these people are lying. I just don't. And so I don't, I'm still having trouble reconciling it."
JenniferMid-episode discussion on paranormal Bigfoot theories
"Can they affect what we hear? You know, we're, which that's even scarier."
Jeremiah ByronDiscussion of sensory manipulation phenomena
"If you've had these experiences nine times out of 10, you're going to be made fun of."
JenniferDiscussion of witness stigma and social impact
"The world needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone."
Jeremiah ByronClosing appeal to classified/silenced witnesses
"These are people that don't know each other from different time periods, some from yesterday, some from 50 years ago."
Jeremiah ByronDiscussion of witness pattern consistency
Full Transcript
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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods, trails, and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it to settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, welcome back to another show. We've got the privilege of talking to Jennifer today. Jennifer is a listener of the show, also a supporter of the show. And we got connected because Jennifer has a few interesting experiences to share, primarily from the state of Massachusetts, which listeners of the show will know I'm from originally, from the western side. So welcome to the show, Jennifer. How are you doing today? I'm doing well. Thank you, Jeremiah. Absolutely. Well, first off, is there anything else that listeners would need to know about you for contacts before we start chatting about what you've experienced? Just that when I was probably about 11 or 12, I grew up in Northwest New Jersey, which a lot of people don't realize it's super rural. And we have big forest, and I grew up near a pipeline, and I got interested in Bigfoot because after a snowstorm, my friends and I were up on the pipeline, because we didn't have school that day, and we saw some footprints. And then, you know, then I guess I'm of the age where it was, oh, who was the guy from Star Trek who did in search of? Leonard Nimoy, probably. Yeah, and they would have Bigfoot on there, and it just always piqued my interest. But then fast forward to Massachusetts, I'm married and we have a place up at a resort, a townhouse called Jiminy Peak. And I kind of got into listening to your podcast and a few others probably last year. And I didn't realize more of the things that people report about Bigfoot. And that's why when I recount what happened at our townhouse, I mean, I've never seen a Bigfoot, but I think what happened, and I'm not saying it's definitively, really, was a Bigfoot thing. But it was always odd to me. And then when I listened to certain podcasts, I didn't realize Bigfoot would actually come up to houses and slap them and hit them. And then I was like, oh, maybe that's what happened at Jiminy Peak. So I don't know if you want me to start the story. I think I want to do a little bit of context for listeners. I feel like I always have to do this for Massachusetts, because so many people I think are thinking of Boston and like, there's no, yeah, there's no Bigfoot stuff in Boston. Well, so Jiminy Peak area, that's more the northwest corner of Massachusetts, correct? Yeah. Yeah, we're about a mile from the New York border of Stephen Town. So you're about as west as you can get in Massachusetts. Absolutely. So you are up there kind of where it gets extremely wild. You know, you've got the Berkshires out there. You've got North Adams. And it's just, it is a whole different ballgame when you're trying to drive that area from New York and then across over to Route 2. So if you've got the idea of Boston in the Cape, you want to get that idea out of your head. This is definitely a more rough and remote area, wooded area of New England. So I just wanted to throw that out there. But yeah, feel free to take us back to, you know, when you started to realize there might be something going on with your property out there in Western Mass. Okay. Well, we're in Jiminy Peak and Hancock Mass. It's actually not far from Pittsfield, but it's still rural. I mean, you have the ski area there. I believe the Appalachian Trail isn't that far from there. And then you have Mount Greylock, which isn't far from my townhouse at all, where I think there's been quite a few sightings as well. I think one in Williamstown also not long ago. But anyway, it was what we call shoulder season. It was probably early spring. So it's when ski season is over or they call it mud season. And my daughter had just gone away to college that following fall. So I think that I set you the wrong date. I think it was 2024, not 2023. So two years ago or 2023. I don't know. She's a junior now. I can't do the math. But anyway, it was shoulder season. So we have, we're at the end of the country in and we're at the base of the mountain. So above us is the ski area. It's a run of one of the runs. So it's up a couple hundred feet. And then it drops off in back of our townhouse to a switchback road that also in thinking about it, our shed is there where we put the garbage. So maybe that's a factor as well. But so and through the years, we've been going up there 30 years. And so I always take the dogs out a couple of times. And we just had the, the corgi was about a year old. And so I always take them out when right before we go to bed. And it was about 11 o'clock. And in the past, when I've taken the dogs out at night, you ever have that feeling of being watched, you know, especially it's almost like you can feel it searing into your back. And I would always feel like it was at that skier, like way above me, something peering down, but I digress on that. So I took the dogs. There's like a little patch of woods that I would always bring them to do their business. And so we went down and as the dogs were entering, we heard a really low guttural growl. And like all three of us just took off. The dogs were like, yeah, we're done. And we ran into the condo and I was like, you know, growing up in rural New Jersey, you know, we have black bears. We didn't have as many when I was a kid, but, you know, and we have bobcats and what, and we do have mountain lions, even though they say we don't. But so I figured, oh, maybe it was just that, you know, I mean, you try in your mind, but it scared the heck out of all three of us. Even the dogs were like, yeah, we're good, you know, we went back to the. So it was about a half hour later and we went up the second floor and the master and I let the dog sleep with me because my husband wasn't around. He doesn't like the dog. But and all of a sudden from the back of the condo, something hit the condo and it shook like really hard. And we do were attached and we do have neighbors that have teenage boys. So I thought, oh, that was weird because I felt it from the back. But I thought, oh, maybe they just got here late and the boys are all clomping up the stairs because it's to the right of my bedroom, you know, we're attached. And but it was weird because I felt it from the back because it didn't feel like the stairs. But, you know, you're tired. You just like whatever. So when I got out the next morning, nobody was there. I was the only one that stayed the night in our five condos. And, you know, when you file something away in your head and you're like, oh, that's weird. And then when I started talking or listening to the podcast, I was like, hmm, you know, maybe that's an explanation. But I don't know would they do they come that close to the house is I mean, it was pretty death. But it was just strange. That's all. Yeah, I mean, the people that I have talked to over the years. This is a pretty, you know, if they're going to be on the property, usually what will happen if they start to get really comfortable and they want to mess around is they will and it usually ends up being the room where the person is sleeping. And it's like next to their head for some reason. And that that's a whole different question. It's like, can they somehow see through walls or like heat signatures or know where you are. But the interesting thing that always brings out, and I guess I'll ask it to you in a question is, did you get a sense of how high up on the wall they were hitting when they hit the side? Well, they had to have hit. See, I was on the second floor. I think they hit like we have little in the back. So my master is in the front of the condo. And then behind me is another small bedroom than the downstairs underneath that is, you know, the staircase in the kitchen. And we have all have little decks in the back and I got the feeling they hit between our two decks of my neighbors and myself. But I mean, these things were built in the 80s. I don't know how well they were built, but it shook. I've never felt the, you know, and I'm not embellishing. And I remember thinking it's odd because I felt it from the back. You know how you get a sense where and how it shook, it shook forward. But, you know, I just wanted to rationalize it in my mind that it was going up the staircase. But really in thinking about it, it's never the kids clomping on the staircase that's never felt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's, you know, that's going to be totally different. It was just strange. And then since, you know, the property pretty well, you'd have to think about, okay, so if something was standing back there and hitting the side of the house in the area where it hit, you know, how high up would it have to be reaching from where it would be standing? I mean, to hit it like that, I would say at least seven or eight feet. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah, so that's something pretty tall or able to reach up pretty high. I mean, I wish I walked back there and I didn't because I had already said, oh, it's, you know, and then, you know, I was busy. I can't remember what I was doing then, but I wish I had walked back there because it was muddy. I bet there would have been Princess. Oh, I'm sure there probably would have been something I was just going to just going to ask you that. So it is a residence that split. You have the other individuals that are, you said it's a kind of a split residence there. Are there other neighbors that are close by as well? Yeah, it's five units. So townhouses are connected. So it's five units. We're the fourth one down. So it's kind of on an incline. And then the scary is a few hundred feet up, you know, so there's all birch trees, obviously, because we're in the birch and pines and what have you. And then there's a switchback road behind us that is about a couple, maybe, I don't know, 80 feet or 60 feet. I'm not great with measurements below off our deck. You know, we have a little bit. I'm sorry. I'm not great at explaining things, but it was just odd. It was something that I always thought was odd. But then when I started listening to the podcast, I'm like, huh, maybe, maybe that because I know I'm not far from Lennox. Maybe 40 minutes and October State Forest is that has had a lot of, I mean, there's a lot going on around Jiminy Peak. I just didn't know if they would come so close, you know, to houses like that. But I guess they know. Absolutely. I mean, I've talked to a few people in the area. So like October Mountain. Yeah, that's that's really active. You've got, I want to say it's, it's Bear Town or Bear Mountain, Great Barrington area. I spent a lot of time out there because my grandparents were in that area. So like around Monument Mountain, just a very, I mean, the houses are literally up to the sides of the mountains in some places. And, and I mean, I remember staying at my grandmother's when I was a little kid and we would look outside and there'd be 30 turkeys in the front yard and deer. And I mean, the wildlife is just, there's not much separating you from what's out in the woods, which, which is incredible. So was that the weirdest thing that you've experienced? Or have you, have you seen other things or weird things happen around the same property? Not really, because it's not our primary and we generally just use it in the winter. But I do my daughter had, I don't know if you know where Suffield, Connecticut is, it's right by Angolam. My daughter went to high school there at the boarding school and I hate 90 so I would take 20. You know, the, that goes along the river, you go through Beckett, go past Jacobs Pillow and all that. And it was just my kind of Zen. Then I would scroll all the back roads through Westfield and drop down to Suffield. It probably took me about 20 minutes longer, but it was just, I don't like that. You know how 90 is and there's that one stretch when you, I think if you got stuck, you're just done because there's between Jiminy, you take the Berkshire extension, you grab it. Yeah, you're talking about like the mass pike, right? Yeah, no, I don't like that. Yeah, it's 90, I think, I don't know. But I used to take, I think I believe 20 and I would go in because I'd love to go to my daughter's softball and this was in the fall though. And so I, and it was, you know, a warm fall day and I was driving and I was like a little ahead of schedule. So I figured I'd get out, stretch my legs because I, my knees were, I just got them replaced, but they would get stiff then because they were hurting me. I had my daughter in my 40s, so I'm an older mom. So I stopped at this like rest stop. It overlooks, I think it's right before Russell. It's, I think it's the Blandford, is it Blandford State Forest? It's, there's that section you go through on. I think that's the name, don't quote me. And again, I didn't know about all this stuff, but I stopped at the rest stop and I was just sitting there kind of enjoying myself. And then all of a sudden I got a really weird feeling of just dread and like, oh, I need to get out of here. And then it was weird because for about four or five seconds, I couldn't hear anything. And I almost felt like it was just weird. And all of a sudden I couldn't hear anything and I'm thinking of my, you know, having a stroke or is my here? Like, is there something wrong with me? I tend to have low blood pressure, not high blood pressure, but I, you know, and I just, it lasted like I said, maybe four seconds, but it scared me because it's just, and then because I could hear the rustling of the leaves. I could hear, it had rained the night before. So the, you know, the river, you know how the river sometimes can be deeper and sometimes more shallow. And I could, I thought I could hear it when I sat down and then all of a sudden I couldn't. And then it was almost like, I didn't hear it, but you ever get like a high pitched in your ear and it lasts for a few seconds. It was almost like that, but just imagine not being able to hear. It kind of came and went, but it was just strange. And I felt funny and thought, well, am I dehydrated? So I just went back to the bar and drank some water and went on my way. But it was the weirdest thing. I actually went to the audiologist two weeks later and explained the whole thing and he's like, well, you're fine. You know, I said, you don't think I was having a stroke or anything? He goes, no, if you're having a stroke, you probably wouldn't be. Yeah, exactly. So, but it was strange. And I, and again, never knew about this stuff till I started listening, you know, to your podcast and what, and, and, you know, Absolutely. Yeah. The ear thing is such, such a weird thing. Was there anything with like, could you feel like pressure changes during the same like your, your drum pressure changing at all? Or it was just like, boom, silent. That's, yeah, because you know, when you get that ringing in your ear, you get that pressure. It was the same thing, but not being able to hear. Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. Because the one time I've experienced that was in just outside of Oak Ridge, one of the times I was up there and got super quiet and then couldn't hear anything. Oh man, it was weird. So weird pressure started changing. It felt like you were in an air bubble or, or underwater is very strange stuff. So, and I've heard other witnesses say that to the other really interesting thing about the, the Blandford. And I believe I'm looking at the, yeah, Blandford by Russell, I'm looking at the right area. It's just north of Cobble Mountain Reservoir, which has come up on the show before. And that is a super, super active area. It's actually come up two times. There's Ernie Devereux's encounter when he was hunting and then the Vogel brothers have a lot of encounters. And I mean, it's not that far north of, of where 23 is on Blandford. So I say all that to say it's not the question that you were pulled over. You may have experienced something weird and something bigfoot related in that area for sure. I mean, it's just strange. I mean, I always grapple with, I would love, we go up the Teconic Parkway all the time. And I know they, I think I heard a show of yours that someone saw one. I know the exact spot. Actually, I just went with looking, you know, now I'm looking all the time because I know they're in that area too. I would love to see one, I think, but then sometimes I'm not so sure because I do believe they exist. There's no doubt. 100%. So, but I have a question for you that weird thing that happened by the river. I mean, do people have any explanations for it? I mean, is it now that I'm listening to everything, I mean, do we think it's like, why would that happen? Is it not to get too weird, but is it a dimensional thing? When, when I was in my twenties, I read this book, it kind of dumped down quantum physics. It's called Dance of the Woolly Masters. It's a phenomenal book. And it kind of explains basic physics and quantum physics. And, and I mean, it's just weird. I mean, I know there's some blue side of bigfoot, but like, can they change the atmosphere like that? Can they, are they changing your dimension? What's going on? I mean, nobody knows the answers, but it's just interesting. Right. It is a thing where at this point, since, you know, the point from what we know, there hasn't been one studied. And so you don't know what it can do, right? Now I, I know what I've been told from reports and what I've experienced. And it does seem that in these areas where there is said to be activity and they're charged up, people are experiencing things like the pressure changing suddenly in their ears and not being able to hear anything or it goes at very quiet. Or they hear something that sounds like a metal door opening. Some people think that might be related to portal activity, perhaps there's also another really weird thing I experienced in the same area is. So me and a gentleman, we were hearing howl screams from in the woods. And another person that was right next to us was like, I can't hear any of that. I didn't hear any of that. And then later on, it would be reversed where this individual would hear something coming from the woods and we didn't hear any of it either. So really, I think another question to ask is, you know, is there a way that these, you know, whatever they are can affect the senses of humans where they can, they can affect what we are seeing, what we are hearing, maybe even smelling. Who knows? And I don't know if that is something where it's related to infrasound. You know, for every question you ask, it feels like there's 10 more questions that come up and everyone has a different way of looking at it, which is why one of the reasons I love this topic because you can get really, really deep into it. But yeah, I mean, I hope that in our life sometime we start to get these answers, but I'm not really sure if we ever will, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I know it is kind of crazy because I kind of got into the, I don't know if you want to talk about other paranormal things, but I lived in a house for 30 years that was haunted and connected. Oh, wow. And that's how I started really looking into, but I always had things since I was a little kid and my grandma passed away. She was in her 80s and I think she might have had some kind of paranormal things because she had all these books hidden away on, you know, agri-case and metaphysical things. And I think that, and you know, she graduated from Barnard College in 1917. She's very learned, but I think she might have hid this part of herself, you know, and my daughter has it. I have it. I have a nephew that is a sensitive as well. And, you know, that's where I think the dimensions come in. I mean, the physics, you know, they vibrated a different than us, but sometimes like, I guess the vibrations match up or you can, I can feel, I do have seen a lot of spirit, but I sense them. We just moved to a new house down in New Jersey and I did see a revolutionary war spirit, which was kind of wild. And I know people are probably going to think I'm crazy, but it really happened. I married to a chemist and he never believed this stuff till now after 30 years in our Connecticut house, he believes. Oh, so even, even he has experienced weird things in this Connecticut house. Now it's very interesting because, you know, that's another pattern, you know, individuals that have these experiences with, you know, what we think is Bigfoot. Usually it's a thing, I mean, you can ask it every time where has other stuff happened? Have you experienced anything else? Have you had a UFO experience, etc. It's like every time it's just either they're open to it or they are, as you said, they're more sensitive to it. I mean, I don't, I can't think of a time really where it hasn't happened where an individual hasn't had multiple type encounters. And I don't know really what the explanation is, especially when it, when they have the Bigfoot encounter and then the stuff starts kicking in. It's like, well, did you get open up to everything? And now these things kind of get, you know, magnetized and connected to you? I don't really know. But did you, so you started experiencing that stuff before your, your Bigfoot experience though? I mean, yeah, I mean, I was, I was in Connecticut, but in the little nubs. So we're a little too close to New York City. I mean, I don't know in Fairfield County, but I was close to the New York border also there. But I don't know if, I mean, we had a beautiful home in the woods, but, but we generally had more of the paranormal with the, you know, the ghost, the spirits. And they were pretty, I actually eventually had a couple ghost hunting groups come in and they would call me every once in a while and say, Hey, I got new equipment. Can I come to your house? Because I know it was very active. In fact, when I sold it, we had, I told them this, you know, we've had issues and but nothing, you know, demonic or I don't know all those shows. But I guess it happens. But I'm not so it was. And it was very, how would you say I'm not really versed in that side? They're just kind of hanging out. They're not causing any harm. No, there was through. Well, can I tell you a quick story? It's kind of a, it's kind of an interesting one. We did have a little boy. And I didn't find out his name till I have 10 years between my children, not great planning, but and when my son was about three, I thought I saw him. He was blonde and sitting on, you know, we had your basic center hall colonial. So I was walking into the foyer. I thought I saw him out of the corner of my eye sitting on the stairs. And I thought he was in the family room by the kitchen. And I turned to say, Gordon, what are you doing here? And he wasn't there. And then I walked and he's in the family room. And Gordon every once in a while would say he saw, you know, somebody walked by or but nothing is definitive of my daughter. So fast forward, my daughter's about three. And she starts telling me that a boy named Arnold keeps coming to her room at night. And I said, okay, what does Arnold look like? No, you got to stay with me on this one. She said his arms and legs are the wall, but his face isn't. And what I figured out is she didn't know the word transparent. So he must have been solid in his head, but she could see the wall through his arms and legs because he was transparent. My goodness. And that was kind of wild. That's weird. I mean, that's something you're not expecting to run into for sure. Were you seeing any, any like spheres or or orbs or anything at that time? Um, I did. Well, when we did have the investigators come in and they got a lot of pictures of orbs, they even got a shadow figure because we also had a, I later found out her name is Grace through EVPs and Grace was lovely. I actually miss Grace. I was hoping maybe she was attacked to one of my antiques and would follow me here to New Jersey, but she would hum and she would leave like a floral scent. And they actually got a shadow figure of her and you can kind of see the bustle of her Victorian. She was from the Victorian era. My house was built in the sixties for like IBM executives, but the land was, well, I had been Indian land that then they gave over to the Dutch. And then it had been an estate part of an estate for Nora Mellon who had married Andrew Carnegie Mellon. And they did have twin boys, but I couldn't, I've tried to research and see what their twin boys, but that was the turn of the century. But I learned that from all the ghost hunter groups that came in, but they took pictures, but I really liked Grace. I know it sounds weird because my parents were both sick and dying at the same time. And I was very upset and I was in the kitchen cooking by the counter and I felt a hand on my back and it was comforting. I know it would freak a lot of people out, but I really felt that it was weird. Maybe people think I'm too codependent, but because I hate these shows, it's always a demon and this and that. I mean, I don't know. I felt comfort from her. So the weird thing is the crossover in the way that you just described some things and how you hear those come up in other witness accounts too. And I'm thinking specifically like the floral scent, like you, you can hear that come up in certain Bigfoot witness accounts too, where they're like all of a sudden they, they smelled some kind of flower, you know, and then around their Bigfoot experience, which I don't know if you've ever read Dark Matter Monsters by Dr. Simeon Hine, but it is a fantastic read. No, I'm kind of... It is, it's about like quantum, it's got a quantum physics and stuff in there, but what he does is he kind of tries to make sense of everything and how the paranormal stuff in the Bigfoot stuff could all be related into the same deal and what the, what the reasons behind it could be. And it is, if you're into that kind of stuff, I would recommend it. It's a fun one to check out. You have to read it. I had to read it a few times, but it is, it's a fun one. I think I probably would too. Well, I definitely will take that recommendation. It's just, I don't know, it's having had all these experiences and then finding out again in the last year or so that there is a, I guess, people called the woo side of Bigfoot. I have to tell you, when I first heard it, I wanted to reject it, reject it wholeheartedly. I just wanted it to be an eighth or a missing link. I didn't want it to have a paranormal component, which is stupid considering I lived in a house that was haunted for 30 years and I'm sitting there. Why am I wanting to reject this? And, you know, the more I listen because I don't think these people are lying. I just don't. And so I don't, I'm still having trouble reconciling it. And I think the Bigfoot community from what I'm hearing as a whole is. Yeah. The way I look at it is so more like the paranormal side. I think it is, it's what we haven't reconciled in our minds yet. It's what we don't understand scientifically. So, you know, a lot of the community will say, oh, woo side as in saying those people are crazy, which I reject with the most of my being. One, that's being a terrible person. It's not treating people in a great way. You're just calling them crazy. Two, if we're going to figure this out, we got to have our minds open to what these people, these witnesses are saying. And the thing about it is all these witnesses are not just all getting together at some retreat and saying, okay, if we talk to the podcasters, make sure you say this, this and this. These are people that don't know each other from different time periods, some from yesterday, some from 50 years ago. And I mean, here's an example. I just talked to an individual who had a mind speak or telepathy incident with what she thinks is a big foot back in 1970 in southeast Oklahoma, which I mean, I don't know if I've heard any other accounts of that far back for telepathy encounters. So yeah, it's kind of a hot button topic with me because I just want people to be heard and to not be made fun of. I mean, they didn't choose to be freaked out. They didn't choose to have something mess with their house or leave, let's say dead animals all over their lawn or, you know, there's one individual I talked to where they're in a cabin in Northern Ontario and all of a sudden a Sasquatch appears next to their bed and then they blip out. They disappeared. It's like, how do you explain that? You just can't. It's wild stuff. Well, that's a heck of a way to make that. It really is. Yeah. I couldn't imagine. I don't know if I'd get out of bed. I'd be put me under the covers, but pretty wild stuff. Oh boy. But um. Yeah, it really is. It really is. So, uh, yeah, I think there's a lot to the subject and I hope, you know, some part of me hopes that we do get the proof we need and part of me. I don't know if it would be a good thing for a Sasquatch to be captured or I don't know. And can they be captured? I don't know. Are there subs? I kind of think maybe they're because of some people report rounder heads, some more conical. Are there two different species where one has the paranormal and one doesn't? I don't know. I mean, I'm just surmising. No one really knows. There is a. These are the things I think about. Exactly. It's a really good point because there are people that bring up, you know, that there could be two different types. There could be a much older, I think some people call them like ancient ones and they may have more of a rounder head. And then you've got ones that have like that, that more sagittal crest to the top of their heads, which, you know, kind of has like, you look at a gorilla, etc. Things like that. It's just one of those things, you know, you ask one question and the 10 more questions come up. But is this a thing where you you want stuff to continue to keep happening or you're just like, you know, I experienced this stuff. It's confusing. I'm not sure what to make of it. And I'm just trying to figure it out as I go along. You know, I'm 61 years old. I mean, I have more of my life behind me than ahead of me. I mean, I just I'm an experience, whatever life gives me. And I am very interested in the subject. And that's why, you know, I'm listening to all these podcasts. I do. I do support the paranormal. I have a lot of authors that I moderate panels with, you know, to help them, you know, a sell their books, but, you know, talk about these subjects because I do find, especially, I have done panels on the UFO phenomenon. And I've done it on paranormal, meaning psychic and ghost hunting. And, you know, these people are all earnest and I believe their stories and their books are wonderful. And I think it's important because if you've had these experiences nine times out of 10, you're going to be made fun of. And I feel like we're in a good time now because people are actually getting the word out. And because a lot of these, I'm sure you know better than I do. They're really, you know, can cause psychological damage to people and then when they tell it and then people make fun of them. I mean, they need the support. And I think what you do, what Westle and all the podcasters is invaluable. It really is, you know, I mean, I would hate it. And I've had people say, I believe you think you see ghosts and like, okay, condescending much, you know, but, you know, I've had this is my life and I'm not lying. I, you know, I swear on my children's lives. I mean, it's just what it's happened. You know, it's sad when people don't have the support. Now, my husband's not totally on board with Bigfoot, but he knows about the ghosts and the spirits. He's, you know, he's experienced it, you know. Yeah, I mean, I PTSD from this subject from people that have had experiences. Some of the experiences get so intense. I mean, they're in a tent by themselves, something, and I just, I just talked to an individual of Mount Hood National Forest. This lady was by herself in a tent and something came. I mean, the Bigfoot were coming into the camp like crazy. And one night she, one came close to the tent and like was smelling her hair through the tent. And she was just screaming at the top of her lungs. But the crazy thing is like no one else could hear her screaming that night through the tent, through the camp, which leads us back to that question. Can they affect what we hear? You know, we're, which that's even scarier. But the thing I wanted to say is, you know, even myself as a Bigfoot podcaster, you know, a person who talks to people, even I experienced that sometimes people will ask, Hey, what is it that you do? Well, I talked to people about their Bigfoot encounters. I've had people that literally turn on their heel and walk away. They don't even say bye. And I'm like, Oh my goodness, this is, and that is such a small thing to deal with. I mean, some of these, some of these witnesses, they are going through just ridicule. I mean, you think of Bob Gimlin, the stuff that he went through and his wife, she was working at the bank and she's just people were messing with her. And for years, you know, Bob wasn't coming into the public eye and thankfully he did. But you're right, you know, things need to keep being shared. Yeah, I would hope witnesses keep coming forward and show like mine or Wess's or like Brian King Sharp or or Miguel and all these, all these guys. And just so that someone has the place to, to share what they've been experiencing. But Jennifer, it has been a really fun chat talking to you about Massachusetts. I mean, these areas, I'm, you know, grew up in, in the region. So I know, you know, what you're dealing with out there. And also, you know, we're talking about Mike Familot before the show and how he's down there in New Jersey. So I've talked to him quite a bit. And so I'm aware that, you know, no other northern New Jersey, Sussex County, there's, there's tons of big foot activity down there. But I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the show. I want to make sure that, that you were able to share everything that you came to the show to talk about today. Yeah, I'm good. And thank you for having me on. I mean, my encounters weren't super exciting because I didn't see anything, but they were just odd. And who knows if they were big foot related. But I, again, after listening to all the podcasts that's passed, maybe eight, nine months, I'm like, those were things that now I'm like, hmm. So absolutely. And listeners, if anyone, you know, in the same areas that Jennifer has brought up, if you've experienced something or had something happen, you think might be big foot related, feel free to either you can leave it in the comments on YouTube or feel free to reach out to me through email. It's bigfootsociety at gmail.com. But thank you so much for being here, Jennifer. And thanks all for listening today. Thank you. Have you ever heard all the accounts of big foot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what? This year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably, I'll say this. 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So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can get a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oak Ridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. I was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it. And I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI, a federal agency or working intelligence, and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. 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