PACKERS SQUAD SHOW: Packers Make a TRADE | What Message Has Been Sent & Who Benefits NOW?

Welcome in to the Locked On Packers Squad Show. I am your host. My name is Brandon Snide. The Packers making a big off-season move yet again, and with that, awaits a golden opportunity for a man named Matthew. I'm Peter Bukowski, host of Locked On Packers, and with Don Tavion wicks out the door and receiver needs coming up, don't be surprised if Green Bay uses premium draft capital to backfill that receiver spot. I'm Jacob Westendorf from Packers on SI. And who are the biggest beneficiaries from the Don Tavion wicks trade? Guys looking for contracts. That's one answer. I'm Jason Hirschhorn from the Leap. And have we learned something new from the latest round of Packers pre-draft visits? Go, Pat. Go. It's the Packers Squad. Everything Green Bay Packers every week, covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from Titletown. The way only the Locked On Podcast Network can. From the frozen tundra with all the cheeseheads, the Packers Squad Show starts now. 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Who has already made stops in Green Bay? And is there more? We hope to see Make the Rounds. We'll dive into all of that. But let us begin with the big news that occurred over the weekend. Former fifth round draft pick Don Tavion Wicks was sent away to Philly. If you're an everyday, that's probably something you knew was a very possible outcome. But nonetheless, Wicks is out. The Packers receiving this year's 153rd overall pick from the Eagles and next year's sixth round pick. As well, Peter, kick us off tonight. What was your initial reaction to the news that broke for the Green Bay Packers as they sent Wicks away? And what it means now for their wide receiver room? My first reaction was I'm surprised it was Philadelphia. And not because they don't have a potential receiver need with the expectation. Now it seems like the consensus expectation is A.J. Brown is out in Philly like midnight as June 1, o'clock's 12.01. He's going to be out the door. But I don't understand that fit with Jalen Hertz, given the way that Jalen Hertz likes to play. But it's probably just a talent arbitrage opportunity for Philadelphia and they're willing to do that. We talked about this to the point that I was being accused on the socials of being obsessed with this topic. And people were like, this is not going to happen. They're not going to do this, blah, blah, blah. I'm not even currently engaged in gloating. I'm just saying that was like, this was not surprising to me. And I don't know why it would be surprising given what we know about their future at the position. They just have two guys technically currently under contract for 2027. You can't go into 2026 like that. And I know there's going to be criticisms of like, oh, they made the team worse. They're always thinking about the future never the now. You have to, in this case, you absolutely have to do both. And I think to that end, and I opened it with the show, is this opens up opportunities in the first two picks. I almost said first two rounds. The first three rounds for the Packers to use premium draft capital to backfill this need so that you can get a quality player back in their right now today. Jacob, any surprise to the Packers sending away Don Tavion Wicks who just battled some injuries last year. But I mean, I don't think they win that Lions game, you know, on Thanksgiving without Don Tavion Wicks. Was there any surprise for you that the Green Bay Packers decided to move them and move them within the conference? Um, a little, but not too much for some of the reasons. Related, I mean, they had going into Friday morning, they had four receivers on an expiring contract. Watson Reed, Wicks, and then Sky Moore, like say what you will about Sky Moore, but that is the reality of that position group. Whether he's a return man or not. So it made sense to me that they could try and figure out a way to swap one of their guys. Now, my one of my bold predictions earlier in the offseason was that receiver was going to be Jaden Reed. It's clear that, well, I shouldn't say it's clear that's not absolutely going to happen. But I'd be surprised if they moved Jaden Reed at this point. As far as within the conference stuff, I mean, I think for the most part teams are kind of over the whole idea of you can't trade with team X, Y, and Z. Unless it's, I mean, Dallas traded Micah Parsons within the conference famously last August. But if there's other players like they may not have traded him within the division. They reportedly did not want to send him to Philly. Philly was making an aggressive offer and they did not want to send him to Philly. There you go. So when I mean Philadelphia has given you the best deal, then you kind of got to do it. You know, that's something. Goudaqans talked about it last year when they drafted Matthew Golden. There was some reporting that the Eagles were trying to move up in that round, the first round to take Jihad Campbell, who they ended up getting at 32 anyways. But Goudaqans was asked like, was the fact that it was Philly calling a detriment to you at any way? And he said, no, like you can't think about things that way. I know they say those things publicly. I do think there is probably something to like, this team is really good. Do we want to make them better? You know, kind of thing, which I mean, maybe not the both Cullo bills have famously traded with the Kansas City Chiefs a couple of times and it's worked out at least one time, not very well for them in that case. But with Wix specifically, I mean, kind of like some of the stories we've been talking about in recent weeks, a little bit more myth than actual on-field production. I had he did have that game against Detroit. He was also dinged a bunch last year in and out of the lineup, inconsistent. And with some of the, not even reporting the words out of Matt LaFleur's mouth about guys complaining about roles, I am connecting some dots here. But like if Dantevion Wix is one of those players who's complaining about a role, that's an easy trade to make. You know, it's not like you're trading, you know, one of your top players on your team. If it's Christian Watson complaining about a role, you try and figure out a way to make him happy. If Micah Parsons is complaining about a role, you try and find a way to make him happy. You change the defense. Yeah, you do whatever you got to do, right? So when it comes to, you know, Wix specifically, you know, the only thing about it that I guess was surprising was that people thought that they could get more for him than what they ended up getting, which is the draft slot he currently got plus another pick. Like that's almost perfect in terms of the way you would draw it up in like the, you know, the minimal world of what you want to get out of that draft phase. But you're not trading him for, you know, starting defensive tackle or cornerback or something like that, more likely than not, those types of trades just weren't available for something like that. But now, I mean, I'm right there with Peter. I was asked, Marcus Eversall asked me today to make a prediction and it was not on the spot kind of thing, but still who I think the Packers pick at 52. I said, Jeremy Bernard, the receiver of Alabama. Like I will not to make Peter throw up apparently, but I mean, I do think that the point I'm more getting at is the position and what I told him was when it comes to understood. Sure. Yeah. But when you look at defensive tackles, they usually like cornerbacks, they usually like and passflusher, they usually like, they're more likely, they're more likely in my opinion to be more receivers available at 52 that fit that mold, as opposed to any of those other three positions I just talked about. I don't think they're taking a quarterback and so on and so forth. I don't need to go down the line with everything, but I am not going to be surprised at all if their first pick in this class is a wide receiver. I'm pre annoyed already by the, why did they never do this for Aaron Rodgers thing when they take a receiver with their first pick in back to back years, but whatever, I'll get over that. But I mean, you're trading a one year contract that is, well, I mean, potentially expensive down the road for a four year rookie contract, which is cost controlled for four years. And you hope that guy can honestly be better than what Don Tavion Wicks gave them for the last three years. You know, he was not great his second season and last year was fine, had the one big game and then, and then that was really it. And then if you add in that maybe he was complaining, I don't want to call it an addition by subtraction, but it is certainly something when you're trying to like move pieces on the chessboard a little bit and make some sense for good accounts to want to move that direction. To Jacob's point, Lowe's and games played receptions, targets, yards and touchdowns for Don Tavion Wicks. I think it's good value for a former fifth rounder that the Packers got a fifth rounder this year. And next year, getting a six round pick. Jason, your initial thoughts after you saw the news, I know it's something you and Peter have both covered in the leap. A newsletter you should all be subscribed to. Is that, is that something that surprised you getting that news over the weekend, Jason? No, the news did not surprise me. And I think the thing that I thought was strangest was not the news itself, but some of the reaction to it. And we've kind of hinted at a little bit of this, but like who within the Packers like receiving, you know, universe is going to benefit from this. And I think a lot of that discourse is centered on Matthew Golden. I actually don't think that's the correct answer because I think Matthew Golden was actually going to be more heavily featured in 2026. Kind of no matter what, like with the departure of Romeo Dobbs. And I've seen some of these numbers floating around. I want to cut into them a little more. So if you look at Wicks last year, he played 46.3% of his snaps, offensive snaps from the slot. That lines up pretty closely with what Golden had last year in terms of slot percentage. That was 41.6. But then if you cut into that a little bit, like it falls apart. Like when Golden was playing with Jaden Reed, meaningfully in the lineup. So like any game in which Reed played more than five snaps, that being the amount he played in that week two game when he got hurt, that slot percentage goes from that 41.6 I mentioned earlier to 27.6, which is a long way of saying they do not see him as someone who's going to do most of his work, like in the slot, along the interior. Now that he can't do that, and we have talked about what he might be able to do in the slot if given those opportunities. But I think what they want to do with it is line him up primarily like that Z sometimes the X receiver that they have used Romeo Dobbs in before and give him those opportunities. So if those are where those snaps are going, the Dobbs snaps, there are maybe some targets that would have gone to Dobbs, I could go to Golden. That's a little harder to parse out at this stage. But then it really raises questions. Okay, well, if Wix is not going to be part of this anymore, where does that work? Where does that roll go to? As it stands, I don't know that we have a good answer. Like it may not be someone currently on the roster like saving on Williams is a guy who has played a meaningful amount of his snaps from the slot. He has not played a meaningful amount of snaps. So that's not really useful sample size. You know, we've talked for years about what Luke Musgrave might be able to do in sort of those two Titan packages. Maybe this is the year that finally ends. Exactly. So that to me is still a hypothetical until further notice. And then we go to the draft, there will be guys in theory that could take advantage of those opportunities if Green Bay drafts them. But we don't know who those guys are going to be if there's going to be like a premium draft pick used on a receiver that seems more likely now. But that's still not a guarantee. You don't know how the draft is going to fall, especially when your top pick doesn't come until the 50. So I raises a lot of questions in terms of what the offense will look like. But I still think that the talent base is pretty strong. The flexibility that they have with those draftries resources is obviously even bigger than it was before. So I think this overall puts them in a good position, not just in 2026, but in the long run, it just there's a few things that we have to figure out now that, you know, we did not have questions for, you know, two weeks ago. Don't know the idea that you could you could move Christian Watson around as a piece like he's played a lot of different roles for this offense over the years. And when they get against man coverage teams, like early in his career, it was a lot of him working out of the slot. They love to use him as a power slot in some of those those times. And when teams go to those two high safety looks quarters, like one of the things about quarters coverage is when you have especially like trips to one side, you've got that slot receiver, you've got to be able to carry that guy vertically. So the Packers love to attack those two high teams with Christian Watson using his vertical speed. Okay, well, now you have Matthew Golden to do that too. Or the two of the guys that they've had in for pre draft visits can absolutely haul ass Chris Brazel from Tennessee and Ted Hearst from Georgia State two guys that I adore in this draft class. Where did Chris Brazel do a lot of his work in a thoroughly fake Tennessee offense from the slot. So it there would be ways to go. Okay, it would be a different type of player because none of those guys move like Don Tavion Wicks, none of them get open like Don Tavion Wicks. Can you play them on the backside and have them win? Can you play them? Can they can they run those those in breaking routes to get free those deep outs that we see Don Tavion Wicks get open on? Jason has written extensively. One of the one of my favorite things Jason has ever written not to you know, pump them up here was about how Matt LaFleur remade this offense. And a lot of that piece was how the offense was remade around Don Tavion Wicks and his skill set. And so they want these big guys that can move that freely and can move around. If they're going to take a receiver, you have to think he's going to have to have that sort of versatility. Play with Jordan Love and get paid is the lesson I've learned here in the last few few off seasons for the Packers. Jacob, when you look at the decision to move on from Don Tavion Wicks and we kind of alluded to a little bit of the numbers, you know, last year for Don Tavion Wicks, we both alluded to obviously missing some time at some big moments last year. Do you look at this as and Jason kind of talked about this a little bit too. I'm curious, your thoughts, Jacob, like, do you think this is a more of a we've seen what we needed to see out of Matthew Golden outside of Romeo Dobbs and that wild card round? I think Matthew Golden was the best receiver in that game overall. There were moments there were highs there were lows for Matthew Golden and another guy who last year battled through some injuries as well. And as rookies, you know, going through the ups and the downs, do you think Goody and the front office, what they saw out of Matthew Golden most notably at Soldier Field to end this season was enough for them to be comfortable in moving forward without Don Tavion Wicks? Yeah, just the general philosophy of like how the Packers are as an organization is they've talked about it like they talk about it all. Jeff Hathley, you say all the time, like our young players have to play. I think they did that to a detriment sometimes. But like you said, our young players have to play. And it was the same as like, it was always interesting to me as the off season, what approach is the Packers need to keep all these guys, but they also need to get Matthew Golden on the field. Like those things don't work together in unison, right? And even still like as of Friday morning, it was still very possible that in your, you know, basic 11 personnel packages, it was Watson and Wicks outside potentially with Jaden Reed playing in the slot. And then of course, you know, Tucker Kraft and all this other stuff, but like you're still seeing a rotational role for Matthew Golden. Now the opportunity really is wide open for him to be there and be one of those guys. Now, I think the opportunity is also tantalizing for this offense to be able to put the deep speed on the field of Watson, Golden and Reed. And you kind of saw what that could look like against Chicago because those were your three primary receivers in that game. You know, the Musgrave thing, the theoretical Musgrave stuff was kind of interesting to me as well. I do wonder if they're going to try and squeeze every last piece out of that orange before he hits free agency, or if he's just going to kind of be on the roster. Like he's on the team because he was the second round pick. And like they're ready to just play Jacob. They don't have any, but they don't have anybody else. I mean, I suppose you're right. Yeah. Josh Wiley is not there. So, or I mean, not Josh Wiley, John Fitzpatrick is not there. Yeah, they've got guys that need to figure out their way. I mean, their time and position is very, very, very, very, very thin at this point. So that's something they could be looking at too. You know, Matthew, Matthew, Matt LaFleur has been saying like he's going to strip the offense down to you. Oh, Matthew, you'd be respectful. Sure. Yeah. He says he's going to strip everything down to the studs or whatever, which sounds very Mike McCarthy in 2018, which is terrifying for a lot of different reasons. If you remember how that season went. But maybe that is more again, trying to find 12 personnel, trying to find Musgrave as that matchup type player in some of those big slot spots or something like that. Or I mean, I've, Peter talked about Christian Watson moving around the first matchup against Chicago. His touchdown on the RPO came from when he was inside the boundary. So that's something that I think he, I don't know if that's where he's used best, so to speak. But that is something that he can do. And the Packers talk all the time about how he plays every single position in the offense, which is something that if he's on the field, they could figure out a way to use that to their advantage. And if they drafted, I really like you mentioned the idea of Ted Hearst, Brazzel, any of those guys, like they can run. And if these guys are going to be able to run like that, it can be hard to defend. Jason Jacob kind of alluded to it earlier about roles and players not being thrilled. I think Don Tavion Wicks, I don't think it's a coincidence that two weeks after Matt LaFleur makes that public that Don Tavion Wicks has been moved out of Green Bay. Do you think, Jason, that the Packers underutilized Don Tavion Wicks because it felt like we never really got the full experience? There were highs, there were some lows, there were some injuries mixed in that. But it didn't feel like Matt LaFleur and the Green Bay Packers really ever fully utilized Don Tavion Wicks. Is that, is that fan fiction, or is there some validity to that, Jason? I think that is a little bit of what the perception is versus what the actual reality is. Remember, there was a season where Wicks led the team in targets, that being his second season. So I do think he had opportunities and certain things inspired against him, like this past season, obviously, has the lower body injuries. He doesn't miss a ton of games, but he was not 100% for large chunks of that season. Christian Watson comes back and that takes a lot of opportunities away from everybody else, pretty much other than Dobs in terms of the wide receiver. So I don't know that it's totally fair to say he didn't get his opportunities because he was a heavily targeted weapon at one point very early in his career. I mean, those first two seasons, he combined for over 120 targets. That's for a fifth round pick a lot. But it is also probably fair to say that there was maybe a little more schematically they could do with it, not necessarily in terms of the workload, but the way that he was deployed. We've talked about that before and to a certain degree, they're still going to need to find some of those answers to some of the guys that are still there. Like they do need someone to be their regular man beater. That has been at times, Christian Watson, but that's more down the field. Can that be Matthew Golden? They clearly believe in what Golden is going to be. There's a difference between belief and having the proof of concept. We are not at that point yet with Golden, even if the talent is clearly there. So I think this is more of a lesson with Wix. And you have a guy who could do a lot of things. He wasn't a perfect receiver, obviously, was not a burner, but he could do a lot of things very well. And the Packers got a fair amount out of him for a fifth round pick. But maybe there was a few other things left on the vine for them to pick. And they need to make sure that with some of these other weapons, especially now that Wix is gone, they believe that fruit unpicked. Peter, do you think this is a little bit of a message from Goody to LaFleur? And I only say that because at the end of this season, Goody's press conference, and he kind of, I'm paraphrasing him a little bit, essentially speaking about Matthew Golden saying, man, I wish he had more opportunities. And you couldn't really get a lot of those opportunities. There's injuries play into it. But it's the rotations that Matt LaFleur would employ throughout the course of the season. You clear Romeo Dobs out of there. Obviously, the Packers had no intention on paying that contract and knew he was probably out in 2024 after he didn't show up to practice. But to his credit, he did end his Packer career on a positive note. But then you clear Wix out of there. And now you're looking at that receiver room, Peter, and you're like, Matt LaFleur, now you have no choice but to play the guys that we gave you. Do you think I'm looking too into this a little bit, Peter? But I do find it interesting that Goody makes that comment. And then two receivers are now out of Green Bay. And now you have to play more of Matthew Golden going forward. And Matt LaFleur doesn't have as many options to rotate in there at the wide receiver position. I think you are twisting a truth. But I think you're, but let me say this, I think you're on the right track, right? Like it is true. And this is something we've talked about on Lockdown Packers a bunch that the potential forward and now, you know, now that it's happened, like what happens now is it streamlines everything. Like everyone's roles are a little bit more straightforward. And Matt LaFleur, look, bow mountain, the stillness roster, guys. So bow mountain is still going to be out there at times that make you want to run into the wall. That's just going to be part of the deal with Matt LaFleur. But it does, I think, streamline things for you offensively where you're not like, okay, well, I got to get, I got to get this guy in, I got to get this guy in, I got to get this guy in, like when Devontae Adams was on the team, guess who played every freaking snap? Devontae Adams. Devontae Adams does not play in Green Bay anymore. And they don't, so they don't have anybody like that. I think it's somewhat reasonable for Matt LaFleur to have said, hey, the gap between Dobbs Watson, Golden and Wicks is not that big. So a rotation, I get to keep my guys fresh and those corners after they just had to run with the vertical with Christian Watson. Now they got to come back and guard on Tavion Wicks on this inbreaker. No way they can do that. I think there's some validity to that. What I would get frustrated with is when Malik Heath was out there. Yeah. And when bull mountain was getting, you know, eight targets in 16 reps and Matthew Golden was out there for 25 snaps and got one target. Like that was the kind of stuff that was frustrating. So it, I think I would, I would say inadvertently does what you're asking. Like I think the outcome is going to be the same. I just don't think the intentionality that you're ascribing there is, is in there with Brian Gutikin's though I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, in a moment of, in a moment of reflection, you know, you get it, you get a couple, you know, Buffalo traces into Brian Gutikin's and you said, Hey, you're, you're pretty glad that he's got to throw the ball to Matthew Golden now, aren't you? I bet he would say, yeah, I am. Because he cut like, and again, this is going to be a terrible analogy, but I'm going to provide it anyway, because it's back with, with Guti. He did it with Devante and Jordy. Like it was the reason he sent away Jordy and Randall in that timeframe was because they wanted to clear space for, for Devante Adams. Now Devante is going to have a gold jacket. I don't know what Matthew Golden is going to be, but it's kind of the same similarity where you, you see a guy who's a younger talent and you drafted him. Devante was obviously not a first round, second rounder, but Matthew being the number one overall pick for the Packers in that first round, I think they want, they wanted to have him give his opportunity. So I don't think it's necessarily crazy to think that, you know, it is a stretch that, that is the reason that Don Tavion Wicks is obviously out of green bay. Before we get moving and Peter, I know you got to run Jason and Jacob Jason, I'll start with you. Do you guys think this clears the path for both Christian Watson and Jayden Reed to sign extensions in green bay or is it just one of them? Jason, I'll start with you. I still think it's one of them because I don't think that Reed Wicks and Watson were all going to come back to green bay post 2026 anyway. So I think this clears some things in terms of what we've talked about for several weeks now, like the runways they'll have with rookie contracts, because they're presumably going to add someone in the draft, maybe someone's, but at least someone at that position. And then they can decide, okay, is Watson going to get the extension, is Reed going to get an extension? Maybe it's both. But I don't think that calculation changed because I don't think Wicks, based on what we already believed from the team's actions and what they said publicly, was going to get an extension beyond 2026. So that to me hasn't really changed. Jacob, your thoughts on what this means extension wise, Goody already said, Christian Watson, they want him to be a part of their plans going forward. But both of those guys are up for contracts. I find it interesting that Don Tavion Wicks now makes more money than Christian Watson, but I think that will change slightly soon. Jacob, your thoughts? Yeah. So with Wicks, I think it really was just like, this is the compensatory pick they were going to get. They just got one a year early and they happen to get a next year's pick was a six or whatever. And the Packers are probably going to be more active in free agency last year. So we're not going to be sitting here talking about how every single guy they sign affects the compensatory formula or eliminating two thirds of the free agency board in the name of a compensatory pick. So I think they just did that with Wicks ahead of time. I mean, the receiver market, John Eric Sullivan was talking about it when he traded in the water. I was like, that ain't getting low. You know, those numbers just keep going up and up and up and up. And I said this today earlier on the radio and it was like that position, receivers aren't a dime a dozen, right? Because that makes it seem like almost anybody could walk out there and play receiver, but they are, you can find guys all over the place. Pukinakua was a fifth round pick. He's one of the best receivers in football. Like, I mean, there's guys like that throughout the course of the NFL as well. So someone like Jaden Reed, I don't know that the Packers were really all that interested in Matt LaFour in general, really all that interested in having, you know, the core of his offense being built around two small receivers. And I've been going under the assumption that Watson is a slam dunk for an extension. The only thing I think they could really change that, and I don't know, you know, one way or the other where this is going to go. But like, if his agent says, we want $35 million annually, well, the Packers, they're not doing that. You know, I'd be very, very surprised if that was something that they did. The Packers value that position, but not to the point where they're going, they're not going to pay a receiver a quarterback one. I would be very surprised if they did that at some point or another, which was at least sort of kind of at least somewhat of the hang up with Devonte Adams once upon a time. And Adams is a better player at any point of his career, with all due respect than what Watson or Reed or any of those guys have been during their career. So I think this is Reed's last year in Green Bay. I still wouldn't be completely floored if they traded him on draft weekend. It'd be surprising, but not like shocking jaw hit the floor kind of thing. And I assume Watson will be back. But again, if those contract negotiations get hairy, they could say, Hey, we picked the guy in the second round, we've got Matthew Golden, who we picked in the first round. And I know that a lot of people aren't thrilled about the Savion Williams pick, but that is a guy they took in the top 100. 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Discover the Flex MBA today. Thank you for making Locked On Packers your first listen of the day. Thank you for making Locked On the number one sports podcast network. Don't forget to check out every day or club. You can add free episodes and access to a group chat with our guy Peter Rukowski and other listeners of the show. Tap the link in the show notes or head to LockedOnPackers.supercast.com. Gentlemen, we talked a lot about the Dante Van Wick's trade. The Packers did get some draft capital now, a fifth rounder this year, a sixth rounder next year. Jason, when you examine where the Packers are at right now, obviously there's no first round draft pick this year or next year. Do you think this move to move on from Dante Van Wick's and acquire a pick now in this year's draft is going to help them move up or are they going to sit where they're at or possibly move back in the upcoming draft in about a week and a half or so? So I broke this down based on some of the value charts we have. And I think on the show we've mostly used like the Rich Hill value chart. I tried to use a different one just for variety. So this is the Chase Stewart value chart. Now the pick that they got in 2026 for Dante Van Wick's 153rd overall is worth about 30.2 points on that chart. Now I'd realize you have no context for that, but that could take them from let's say the 52nd pick, which they already have to the 49th. That's a jump of three. That's not a huge difference. The 84th pick that they have, third round, that can move them up to the 78th, a bigger difference, but still not a huge one. Then you look at that fourth round pick that they have, 120th overall, that can move them up to 105 from that spot. That's a jump from like the middle back of the fourth round right up into those first few picks. And those picks are particularly interesting because fourth round beginning of day three. So you have obviously the end of day two, end of the third round. There's a lot of sort of information trading that goes on in the NFL between the days of the draft. So could the Packers decide, hey, someone we did not expect to still be available after the first three rounds is there? And maybe we have a shot of moving up into that like very top of the fourth round. That's where I think that pick becomes interesting. Now, we don't know obviously what they're going to spend the 52nd pick on or the fourth pick on, or if those will even ultimately be the selections that they make. But let's say that that's a defensive tackle and a wide receiver, surely for sake of argument, well, we know, or at least we believe strongly, there's a glut of cornerbacks sort of that end of day two, early day three. Well, that's where that extra wicks fit could become really interesting. Peter on the standard locked on Packershow talked about how there were like a lot of cornerbacks that were still available on some of those more recent like live mock drafts at the beginning of day three. That could be the way this ultimately plays out. And the Packers armed with that extra draft capital could just jump up from their current fifth round or fourth round position, excuse me, and get one of those guys that they really like. We know that's a position that matters to them, not necessarily as much in 2026. They certainly would like to get better, but they at least have bodies there. 2027, they do not in terms of who they have in their contract right now. It's almost nobody. So being able to add at least one guy at that position and very likely more than one is going to be critical for them. So I think that that really is the Goldilocks zone for movement in terms of this extra draft capital they got from the Wicks trade. Jacob, do you think this trade changes the strategy, the philosophy for the Green Bay Packers? Do you think it overall obviously changes what they're going to do at the approach at number 52 or maybe they move up, maybe they move back? But do you also think that it kind of puts them in a spot where that position, the wide receiver position is one, they got to kind of nail down early on as we alluded to contract extensions. And obviously guys coming up on on expiring deals for the Green Bay Packers after this season. Yeah, they certainly don't have to do that. I think it's something they might want to do, but whether or not they have to do that or two different things. I mean, they could very easily go into the season and say, we got Reed Watson and Golden and we like Savion Williams. Again, they spent a third round pick on Savion Williams. I know that that kind of gets lost in the calculus a lot. But again, what I think what we think doesn't really matter as opposed to what the coaching staff thinks. Now again, will they put them on the field? Who knows? But do they need to force anything like that? No, I don't think they need to do that as far as your strategy and stuff like that. If there's somebody who starts to tumble into the late late 20s, the early 30s, the late 30s to high 40s, now you have the capital if you want to move up and go get that guy. And it won't cost you all of your draft capital like it would have prior to that pick. Like you said, you have an extra pick this year, an extra pick next year, so on and so forth. So is there somebody who falls in that range? McCoy from Tennessee, Chris Johnson from San Diego State, our guys like that guys that start to drop a little bit and the Packers know like, hey, if we don't get our cornerback, then we're not going to. That's the way that they could look top board. We don't get our defensive tackle is Kristen Miller sitting available at 40 and the Packers are cool with his medicals and they need to move up. They feel like to get their defensive tackle in this draft class or something like that. They could certainly do that. I still think based on the way Brian Gudekonst is operated and the way he speaks, the overwhelming likelihood, now maybe not overwhelming anymore, but the likelihood is more so trade back than trade up. You know, Gudekonst usually likes to have anywhere from 10 to 12 picks and he always says, I can never have enough. So that's something I think he'll want to do. And with some of the needs for depth on the roster, some long-term answers and other spots and stuff like that, I would not be surprised if all of that is the way that they want to do things. But by the same token, we've seen Gudekonst make a significant trade up on day two in the draft for Christian Watson. That one worked out. We saw him also do it for Amari Rogers, which is arguably the worst pick in the history of his tenure as a general manager. Jason, when you look at the current construction of the Green Bay Packers roster, we talked a little bit about what the move for Wix does for guys like Greed and Golden and Watson. Are we not talking enough about what it possibly does to Jordan Love and the pressure? It starts to shift towards Jordan Love. And obviously, if they go into pick 52 and they take somebody in the second, third or fourth round to come in and play wide receiver for the Green Bay Packers, like we kind of envision that is a very likely possibility. Are we not talking enough about how this kind of changes the pressure a little bit on Jordan Love? Or is that just completely something that you're not buying into because you still have Watson out there? You still potentially will have Kraft to start the year and obviously coming off of the ACL injury is a big thing to kind of keep an eye on. But after that, it kind of falls off a little bit as far as depth pieces go. And if one or two guys go down, we heard Ted Thompson talk about it for years. You're one or two spraying ankles away from being in dire need of a position for the Green Bay Packers and that could certainly play for the wide receiver room. Are we not talking enough about the pressure Jordan Love now faces going into 2026? I think as of now, it's value neutral. Now, if it turns out that the Packers do not add another wide receiver of consequence between now and training camp, then yeah, that is additional pressure. You took away a meaningful piece of that passing game and did not replace it. But if they spend a top 100 pick, wherever that ends up being on a wide receiver or a fourth round pick on a wide receiver, there's something that really matters at that position, then I think that's more about the contractual runways that we were just discussing. And I know that really is adding or removing much pressure because he's the quarterback. He's already under a fair amount of pressure. He's going to have to make things work behind an offensive line that we've discussed on previous shows has not like a totally new starter left tackle, but a guy who is going to go into the season, we think as the starter with a lot of inexperience at the NFL level there, you have an interior that is mostly constructive pieces that they have experience in the case of Sean Ryan here in Banks, but Banks missed time in his first season of Green Bay. Sean Ryan is still adjusting to a new position and the belt is going to his second year. So there's all of these other factors that are going to contribute to the pressure Jordan Love is under. I don't know that the Wix thing by itself is adding a lot. But again, if it turns out that the Packers receiving core week one is as we see it right now, then yeah, it is putting a little more on Jordan Love's plate because even if that's not the case right out of the bag, let's say all the receivers are healthy and Tucker Kraft is back in week one, you know, that's still a lot of weapons, but we know injuries are going to happen. And when those do, and instead of having done Tavion Wix taking up more of those snaps, if it's someone who's not even like a pedigree, draft pick, if it's an undrafted free agent, or if it's one of those guys that have the back of the roster right now, you know, if it's Will Shepard for sake of argument, then yeah, that's a lot more pressure on your quarterback no matter how you slice it. So we need to see more information as it pertains to the Wix trade before we know if this is putting more on Jordan Love's plate or not. Yeah, and I think my worry is just is just the depth, right? We saw Matthew Golden banged up a little bit. Jaden Reed's injury is a freak accident, right? The broken collarbone for the most part is your ability is pretty sound. Watson has had some freak injuries. I think the hamstring, the soft tissue injuries, knock on wood has sort of been solidified a little bit. Obviously, the ACL, he shouldn't have been in the game. But I just look at that room and I'm like, now I'm like, you're an injury to a way from it really being a major concern for the Green Bay Packers. And it goes in from a position of so much depth to now it's a position where you suffer an injury or two or a couple guys miss a weaker or a few weeks here and there, like it can change your entire season, right? Like if you're if you're Brian Guninkins and the Green Bay Packers going into the rest of the off season, I think it is something that kind of has to be discussed. How much draft capital, Jacob, you mentioned moving up and possibly moving back. Let's say they do move up, let's say, and we'll talk about draft visits coming up here shortly. Let's say a Ted Hurst is in those early 40s, still available. Let's say, I think Bryce Lantz will probably be there later on, but let's say one of those receivers that we've talked about, and we'll talk about more here in the upcoming draft visits segment. How much is too much? To give up to move up if you're Brian Guninkins who only has right now eight picks, I think, after this trade and obviously, as you mentioned, once a lot more, but you are in a window, I think, of opportunity. If you're the Green Bay Packers, like you are in a championship window right now, you go out and get Michael Parsons and you trade the players that you trade and make the moves that you have made to compete not only for a seven seed, but to eventually win the NFC North and get to the ultimate goal. But how much draft capital, in your opinion, would be too much to give up? And obviously, it's all hypothetical because we don't know where they would move up. But how much for you right now, as it currently stands, would be too much to give up to move up if you're Green Bay? And this question is for a receiver or for any player? Anybody necessarily. I use wide receiver because that's the conversation that we're into. And Ted Hurst has made a visit to Green Bay. He seems to be climbing draft boards. I think it was Matt Miller I saw who said if he played at a Power Five school, he'd be a first round draft pick without questions. So if he's available, I use him as a hypothetical. If he's there and it's pick number 40, 41, 42, and you still see Ted Hurst on the board, how much is too much if you're Brian Goodenkins to give up to move up and take him? I mean, for a receiver, anything, like, I mean, I'm not trying to be obtuse when I say that. I know I'm like anti receivers guy on the internet, but like, you're trading up for a guy who's going to be your fourth receiver in this upcoming season. And there's other guys like you mentioned, like, okay, you didn't land on Ted Hurst. Bryce Lance is somebody who fits their profile. They could get him later. I know Peter kind of turned his nose up at it. But Jeremy Bernard is a guy who fits the things the Packers have like Dijon Stribbling is a guy like that. Chris Brazos is a guy they've had on a visit that can do some stuff like that too. So I mean, there's just when you're talking about moving up part of the calculus is, okay, I like player A, but can I get player B seven spots later and still keep my fifth round pick or whatever it is to move up on something like that? You know, I think any trade that forces you to use your second round pick and your third round, basically, it's like, we move up, we get this player, this is the only pick we're making today. I don't know that there's a player like that in this draft class that you're like, we have to have that guy, you know what I mean? And I think that's probably true in most draft classes. Every year, everybody falls in love with a guy here or there. And it's like, we didn't get him, then we failed or you know, whatever dramatic hyperbole that comes out before every single draft when it comes to getting player X was, I just don't know that a player like that exists. It did in 2022, to be fair, it did in 2022 for Goody. If there's a guy he wants to go get, he was going to go get. I mean, sure, like there are guys like that. And it was a wide receiver. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there are positions like that, and they could do that. And he had the extra capital to be able to do that, which I'm sure was part of it as well. If he only had pick number 53, for example, that probably isn't much of a conversation for him to do something, or it's not as much of a conversation at least is what I should say. But there are guys like that, you know, every year, you just got to figure out what it is that that ends up worth it. And who those guys are. And the other thing is, you know, we don't know who's on Green Bay's board, who's flagged for stuff like that. Like if their board starts getting thin, that's kind of when, allegedly, I don't know if I fully buy this, but Goodacon said the only player left on their board that was the first round pick was Jordan Love when they moved up to get him, which is why they did that. I think that was a little bit of damage control, not entirely. Yeah, exactly. I think that's a good way to put that. It was a little convenient that that happened. The only one happened to be the quarterback that you wanted. I don't know if I buy that that much. So we'll see. Again, I just don't know with some of the stuff in this class that what Green Bay has the meat of this draft is between 50 and 150, you know, and if that's what you're doing, then you want as many of those picks in those spots as possible. The NFL draft is nine days away. More draft visits confirmed for the Green Bay Packers as their top 30 names continue to trickle in. We'll examine those names. We'll take a look at who's been here, who's set to come to Green Bay and who we hope is on the list to make a visit to Tidal Town. All that coming up next on the Locked On Packers Squad Show. Hi, friend. It's your inner child going and they want churros. A new toy. And a new adventure. Or maybe five with the bestest besties on earth. Find your moment at Walt Disney World Resort. Today's show is brought to you by indeed sponsored jobs, workplace chaos, deadlines, stacking up inboxes, overflowing in the one position you have to fill is still sitting open. 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Jason, off of the list that we have kind of seen him, another receiver as a guy that Peter mentioned before he had to run Chris Brazell out of Tennessee. Any names that stick out to you so far that have made their visit stops in Green Bay so far nine days away from the NFL draft? We actually learned of one that, I've been sent to the last show, that might be the most like late round UDFA Packers-y type of pre-draft visit. And I can tell Jacob already knows where I'm going with this. So Michael Helman, Central Michigan, and there's sort of like that. The best stories in this class. I'll let Jason talk, but I got to do his pre-draft story. It is phenomenal. Well, I'll let Jacob give those details. I'm going to focus on some of the things that makes him like super Packers-y. So there's sort of like a legacy of this type of like late round undrafted free agent type of past rusher prospect that the Packers just tend to fall in love with. So this is not a complete history, by the way. I'm just going to throw a few like Jonathan Garvin, 2027th round pick, nearly nine relative athletics score, basically drafted on his traits, not necessarily on what he did at Miami. Kendall Donerson was like an FCS prospect with like an almost 10 relative athletic score, totally drafted on traits. There's guys that other past rest positions, Christian Ringo, Jaron Elliott, Desmond Moses, if you go back, you know, over a decade. So this is a type of prospect that the Packers like because they don't have to expend a ton of draft capital on the player in question, but there's a lot to work with. And not just in the sense of someone that they could develop as a defender. Like these are guys at their relative positions that have played meaningful roles if they made the team on special teams. And we know that's something that the Packers are at least trying or this claiming that they're putting more of a focus on moving forward. So in that sense, Michael Heldman, 64, 268 pounds, that's really good size, even if they were in like like an even front, but he, you know, he could play at that size as sort of that outside linebacker edge rusher position, 9.9 relative athletic score. And it's not just the testing. First team all back this past season, 10 and a half sacks, 16 and a half tackles for loss, 53 total pressures. That's a lot of production, even if it happened in the Mac. So he's a guy with some pedigree beyond just the physical tools. I don't know if he will or will get, will or won't get drafted, but he's someone who you could absolutely consider, you know, some point on day three or as a priority free agent and would have a real chance of making the roster. 24, I'm looking at the list now, at least according to this list, 24 confirmed visits that have already happened or are set to happen or at least scheduled to happen. Jacob, your story on the guy that you got that Jason was mentioning and anything that sticks out to you as far as who the Packers have brought in so far. Yeah. So first of all, his upbringing is something that makes him an easy guy to root for came from like, he didn't know where his next meal was coming from, like did not grow up in a wealthy family or anything like that. His mom was working like 800 different odd jobs just to make ends meet and do everything like that. And then the other thing that was interesting on that was that before his rivalry game in high school, he sang the national anthem before the game because he's a gifted singer, I guess. So if he doesn't make the roster as a defensive end, then the Packers at least have somebody on tap to sing the anthem if the person that is supposed to do it on that day calls in sick. But a lot of industry stuff on him for his skill set as far as some of the other guys on the roster. The one thing that is intriguing to me is the volume of running backs that they've brought in. I think as of that list that you're mentioning, it was the second most as far as positions that have come through Green Bay. One of those guys, and we talked about it a little bit, but one of the guys, Mike Washington is somebody that they would probably have to pick him 52. Could he fall? I don't know if that's true anymore. We thought for a while that he was going to, because of what he did at the Combine, move his way up into the early parts of day two, maybe even day one for certain teams. But at least by consensus, that has sort of come back down earth to what it was more or less free Combine. But that's still a guy who could be a day two pick for somebody, whether it's the Packers or not. And they brought him in for a visit. I mean, we've talked about him on the show a lot about what he can bring athletically. The type player is Peter did a fantastic Goody's guys breakdown of Mike Washington in particular. But Jacob's point about the number of running backs is very important here because we have talked about how the Packers don't really hide what they want to do with these free draft visits. In some cases, they're not interested ultimately in the player that they're bringing for visits, but you look at that as a group directionally, it does provide a pretty reliable indicator of what they're looking at three running backs that they've brought in. And there could be more obviously between now and draft time. That sends a pretty strong signal that a running back is going to be coming to Green Bay at some point between Thursday and Saturday of the draft. And what do you guys put in? Go ahead. Goody said the last time he talked, they think the world of Chris Brooks, but then also said they need to add competition to that now granted. He says they need to add competition everywhere. But the comment combined with Josh Jacobs' contract status combined with some uncertainty in that room, thanks to Marshawn Lloyd, if he's healthy, which is not a real player's name. But all of that put together says to me, they're trying to find the heir apparent to Josh Jacobs while also potentially trying to find a running mate for him. We talked about this last week. I do think that the Packers and Jacobs himself would benefit from having somebody who can kind of share that load with them or, you know, because last year the Packers, Emmanuel Wilson, Chris Brooks, it was clear to me, at least they were never really fully comfortable in a game that really, really mattered, letting that guy, either one of those guys kind of handle the workload for an extended stretch of time. They gave them Wilson got one start against Minnesota in Green Bay and that gave Jacobs a week off. But even if you could get something where they're even more of a split that keeps Jacobs' legs fresh, it keeps him healthy towards the end of the season. And they clearly want the identity of this team to be big, intimidating offensive line to smash your face in in the cold weather, Brandon, late in the game and be able to do some things like that. So that's kind of what I think their thought processes, it's why I think they're going to like Kailin Black from Indiana, who's kind of similar to Josh Jacobs in that vein, kind of a violent runner in that way. That's kind of what the Packers have leaned towards in recent years. But the amount of running backs they brought in, like you said, that's, I don't think that's nothing. And I don't think that means they're going to use their second round pick on a running back. But if you told me they used their third round or on a back, wouldn't surprise me. If you told me they used anything after that, obviously it wouldn't surprise me either. But I think that's a position they value and they're looking to potentially upgrade behind Jacobs. And to build on that really quickly, like, it's not just that they would benefit from having another quality running back to pair with Josh Jacobs. They really could use the benefit of someone with some explosivity in that backfield. Jacobs is just not that player. That's never been the kind of player that he was. He succeeds on being the guy who kind of breaks down the defense over the course of the game. Whereas waiting for him to get caught on that 40 yarder against Denver, right? Or to like run into somebody else or something. That's just not the way he's been since Alabama. Yeah. And you wouldn't expect that to change. Now, March on Lloyd in theory, again, one of his, you know, if you want to look into the full name with him, that's a different kind of running back. But Lloyd to this point in time has shown no indication he's going to be able to stay on the field. So the Packers, you wouldn't think are going to plan for that to be their number two. He might compete for that ultimately, but they can't go into training camp with that as the only plan. So they're going to bring in someone with a little more explosion. Mike Washington, as we just discussed, some of these other guys, some of the Penn State's single ten, excuse me, like that's someone who could potentially add that element. There are a variety of other guys, even if it's not a great running back group, there are some guys you can add that degree of explosivity. And I think the Packers overall would benefit from having that in the backfield. How much stock do you guys put into these pre draft visits? Now, in years past, we've seen guys that have been drafted to Green Bay, Jair comes to mind saying no idea that the Packers, he was on the Packers radar, they had no clue. There was no communication whatsoever. Now there's other times where the Packers interviewed him at the combine and had him in for a visit and they drafted them. Jacob, I'll let you kick us off. We got a few minutes. If I'm a Packer fan, and I'm on social media, and I'm seeing this person is in for a visit, that person's in for a visit. So far, there's been 24 confirmed visits for the Packers. I'm going through the list. I get excited when I see Ted Hearst. I get excited when I see Christian Miller. But how much stock Jacob should Packer fans be putting in to these top 30 visits for the Green Bay Packers? Yeah, it's not nothing. I mean, sometimes like I remember Zach's enter was in for a visit a couple of years ago when he was eligible, and that was very clearly a medical thing. Zinter had a broken leg and it was gruesome to the point where he needed an air cast like on the field kind of thing. So that one probably didn't indicate as much legitimate interest as, you know, say some of the others. But last year's draft class, five of their eight draft picks were guys that were in on 30 visits. I mean, that's not nothing. And Gudekunst said in the past they do stuff like subterfuge and everything like that. But I think what Jason's point was earlier was appropriate was that maybe not the guys specifically, but the positions that they're looking at, like they brought in a million receivers, they brought in a couple of running backs. We just talked about the interest levels there. They brought in corners and defensive tackles, like they brought in one quarterback, maybe two, you know, something like that. So I don't think that's one for sure. But they're day three undrafted free agent type. So it's not like they're looking for something significant, you know, they're not bringing in Thai Simpson from Alabama for a visit just for, you know, Example Sake or something like that. But some of the other positions across the, you know, team, I don't think there were any tight ends that they've brought in not that have been reported as of yet. So, you know, I'm not saying cross that off your list. But what's the interest level in a spot like that? Again, I think the Packers are trying to get to know those positions. I remember the year they took Lucas Van Ness, for example, I think every pass rusher that was a first round pick that year, except for Van Ness, ended up visiting in Green Bay for that particular season. So it's more again, the interest level of the position more so than what exactly they're trying to do. But again, five of the eight guys that were here last year were guys that took a visit. So, you know, Ted Hearst, if that's the guy that you want to talk about, it's certainly somebody to keep your mind on the radar and it's somebody that if they draft him on draft day, you'll be like, Oh, yeah, that that makes sense. Jason, I try not to get glued to the visits because then I get excited and then I get stuck on a player that I want the Packers to draft. And then when they ultimately pass up on him and he's on the board, then it ruins my night. So if I'm a fan and I'm looking at these draft visits, is there any stock I should be putting to any of these if you're a Green Bay Packers fan from what you've seen and what the Packers have done in past drafts? You did mention the name that would bring up here, Kayla Proctor. I just think there is something there. He makes sense for all the reasons we discussed in previous shows, like the way that he could be not just an impact player potentially as a rookie, but over the course of the rookie contract, we know as it stands today, there are not a lot of long-term deals at that position for the Packers. And he's someone with pass rush upside. There are a lot of ways in which that he could be deployed in a variety of defenses. So even if let's say two years from now, you know, Jonathan Gannon is hired away or he's fired or whatever. There are other ways that he could be deployed. So there's a lot of utility there. He checks a lot of boxes for Green Bay and he's in for a visit and may only cost like an early day three pick. It's just, there's a lot of cross-sectionality there that makes me think that that's going to be a very interesting name to watch as we get to the back end of day two, early day three, which of course means that this is going to be like the late day two, early day three version of like Cooper DeJay. Great stuff. As always, the draft man getting excited. It kind of snuck up on us a little bit. Nine days away. Terrific stuff from Peter, from Jacob and Jason. Make sure you follow all of their stuff over at Packers on SI and make sure you are subscribed to the Leap and newsletter. All of you should be subscribed to, especially with the off season rolling on and the draft just nine days away. 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