EP: 391 The Age of Disclosure: UFOs and Government Secrets with Timothy Alberino

I want to reiterate that I'm not here to defend the intelligence community. Sure. I'm not here to defend the government. That's not what I'm here to do. I'm not sipping for the CIA or something like that. I'm just trying to tell everybody that I know that there are nefarious activities that have been happening behind the scenes based on the technology that we have derived from non-human intelligence. It's being used to do terrible things and the good guys are trying to get it under control. Like drop. Okay? That's what I'm telling you. And be careful that you are not saying you guys. Be careful out there in cyberspace that you are not accusing, falsely accusing these people when they are battling some of the most the spicable and dangerous elements of human society. Very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman of the United. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Here we are back in the basement to Mount Brino. We've done so many shows together. Obviously we don't have to do a long intro. Back in the blurry basement. Welcome here. Welcome back. A lot of UFO stuff in the news lately. It'd be great to catch our listeners up and ourselves where we at. What's going on? Age of the Scrooge or movie's coming out and came out. It's out already. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, there is another Spielberg movie. There's a Spielberg movie coming. Yes. And then Age of the Scrooge is the doc. Something called something disclosure too. Yeah. Age of the Scrooge was made by a guy that worked with Spielberg. So it's like a prequel of two. I think it was Daniel Ferra. He worked with Spielberg. And so he's collaborating. He collaborated also on the film. So those two things are kind of a I mean, he collaborated also on the motion picture that's coming out. So those two guys have kind of those two films, those two projects that documentary in the movie are kind of. That's what I mean. Loose association between them. Yeah. So disclosure day comes out summer I think, right? Disclosure day. That's right. Yeah. I mean, the documentary came out in November. End of November. This was November 21st. That's where a ton of records on Amazon. Of course, it's narrated by Lou Aluzondo, who you know. Yeah. Lou was the primary personality in the film. So basically it featured Lou and the group that worked at A-Tip, including the physicists. They'll help put off an Eric Davis with the two main physicists with were the scientific commentators in the film. It was Jay Stratton, Lou Aluzondo and Jay and Lou work together. And then there was a constellation of political figures in the film, including Marco Rubio. Now, Marco Rubio has kind of backped a little bit since the release of that film. But he actually had a really strong contribution to the film. I don't. Did you guys see it? No. Age of Disclosure. So I watched it and then I did a review on it on my YouTube channel. And I didn't think that my review of Age of Disclosure was going to be very controversial. But people are having a really hard time. Let me be more specific. Christians are having a really hard time with this stuff. Yeah. They really are. And all I did was review the film. And I know Lou, Aluzondo, he's a friend of mine. And I've been involved in this topic, embedded in this topic for quite some time now. And I know some of the players in the gut and we're involved at the governmental level. And it's kind of frustrating to me to see all the denial. Because really, I don't really get confronted. Let me back up. Age of Disclosure was a very well-produced film. And it was very sequential. And they made, I think, they made probably the strongest case that I've ever seen in a film, in a documentary film. They proved conclusively, I think, conclusively, that the crash retrieval program is real, that the phenomenon is real. And you had intelligence community guys, people who've never spoken up before, who've come forward in this film. And it's very difficult to rationally deny the reality of this situation. So I didn't think, again, having watched Age of Disclosure and doing review, I didn't think there was anything really controversial about it. And if you look at the UFO community, like UFO Twitter, there is really no controversy there. About the film, most people applauded the film. It was well done and compelling. Although you have your group out there, let's call it the secular UFO community. You have a portion of this community that is going to reject anything that comes from Louis Luzando and Jay Stratton and David Grush and any of those kind of people because just because of their association with the government. Everybody says you can't trust Louis Luzando because he's a he was a counterintelligence agent. Well, people don't understand what counterintelligence is. Counterintelligence is gathering information. You're finding out what the enemy knows about your operations. That's counterintelligence. You go in there and you find out what the enemy knows. It's not creating lies and deceiving the American people. That's not what counterintelligence is. And people think that because Louis worked in counterintelligence that that anything coming from Elizando or his group is deception, is government deception. And it's just not accurate. It's just not accurate at all. So there's nothing really new revealed in the film. It concretizes what's what we've already what we already know about disclosure, about the phenomenon and the legacy reverse engineering program. But it doesn't it does it in a way that is I would say indisputable because of the the figures that they have the personality level of knowledge. Would you suggest that the viewer would have to have on subject. They made the film in such a way that you can be completely green. You can be going into this not knowing anything. They did a really good job with that. So the UFO community, the secular UFO community was either not too impressed because they're already informed of a lot of this or they're just Louis Luzando haters and they just reject the whole thing out of hand because it's coming from the government, which is not true. But it's the Christian community that's that kind of have an effect about this thing. Why do you think so? Because a lot of Christians are willing to contemplate the UFO phenomenon and aliens inside of a Nephilim slash fallen angel slash demon paradigm. But unfortunately for these people, the realities of a legacy crash retrieval program because they talked about bodies in this film. They and also they also talked about the Collins elite. And the Collins elite is a group of evangelical Christians at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community who are actively discouraging disclosure and to some extent, impeding it because they believe that this whole phenomenon is just a gigantic deception and we shouldn't look at it or be interested in it. They're just trying to shield our eyes from it. You know, like if you're sitting, like my dad used to do to me, we'll be watching TV and some commercial come on with girls and bikinis and put his hand over my eyes or like to put our hands over our eyes. That's what the Collins elite is trying to double the commercials from the 80s where they had a toy. Don't look at this. Well, that's like Genesis 6. That's what they did back in the day. Well, they don't want to look at anything. I mean, you can conceptualize the phenomenon in that way. You guys can. But a lot of other people can't. They're having a real hard time. So they can't. I encounter a lot of Christians who will say, yeah, it's like Genesis 6. But as soon as you introduce into this scenario, functional technology and biologicals, you have a problem. You have a problem. We've talked about this a lot of times on the show because you can't reverse engineer spiritual supernatural technology. I was more saying like Genesis 6, most of the church wanted to reject that narrative. Okay. I said you're saying and most Christians probably want to reject the UFO. I see what you're saying. But I'm talking about Christians who are in the Genesis 6 space. Who've been red-pilled so to speak. Still having a hard time. Are having a hard time because they were very comfortable with the idea of all of this just being demonic. Right. Because there's a lot of guys out there who don't really know anything about you. Fology. You were saying that this whole thing is just demons, a masquerade of demons, even people who I highly respect. But you could say it's demonic evil. Demons. No. That's an important distinction. There's a lot of guys out there like, again, who I highly respect like Hugh Ross, who is a astrophysicist, brilliant astrophysicist. Hugh has a very different perspective on Genesis. He has a long creation, history perspective, the ages of creation. So he would push the creation of Adam way back into the distant past and the universe at four point, whatever billionaires it's at now. But he outright rejects outright the notion that there's any kind of extraterrestrial, anything or aliens or anything like that. And he just glibly dismisses the whole thing as demons. So that position is held by a lot of Christians. I'd say the majority of Christians that I interact with. But as soon as you have crash retrievals and bodies, that explanation doesn't work anymore. And this film, as I said earlier, it concretizes the idea that we have crash retrievals and bodies. 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And he wrote about this secret group inside of government who are specifically evangelical Christians who are convinced that as I said earlier the UFO phenomenon isn't just demonic, it's literally demons manifesting and that to interact with it as a kind of witchcraft is a kind of divination, something on that level, right? That's the idea. So they feel like they're protecting the public from a deception. So I as I've always said about the Collins Elite, I do believe this group exists. I don't know that they're very organized and I don't I don't think that they would call themselves the Collins Elite. I suspect they're much more loosely organized than Redfern thanks, but I've always said that I think they have good intentions. Louis Luzando's confronted them directly or they've confronted him more accurately. And they basically told Lou N. J. Strat and stop looking into this. Stop this. We know what this is. This is demons and they asked Lou have you read your Bible lately? And Luz said I don't understand is these are demons. Stop looking into this. So I think what you have here is zeal without knowledge. You have these individuals who are zealous who are, I would say sincere. Yeah. Christians. I would also probably say superstitious and who believe that shielding the eyes of the public from the realities of the UFO phenomenon is somehow godly. And I would say the opposite is true. I would say that the obfuscation of the truth is ungodly. Yeah. And that they're not helping the American populace by attempting to impede disclosure. And so here's a, yeah, I don't think the Bible ever does that either. It doesn't tell you things don't exist. It says don't participate in them. Doesn't say that forms of witchcraft aren't real. And obviously you could argue that having knowledge of all these things and then being told not to do it. It's more of a mature don't weigh of telling your kid or telling people what not to do or what to do. I think we grew up in church where all the times it just everything was shielded from you, shielded from then you get to certain age and you get access and you go crazy. Right. And I think that these people are going to run into the ancient aliens content at some point. And then they could, a lot of people have walked away from Christianity because they don't have the information. Then they get, then they have an encounter or something and then they go, well, this changes everything. But you're kind of on the front lines of trying to help Christians understand that it's more, I guess one of my questions for you then would be, when did you start to think what evidence, what happened for you to go as a Christian, this is not demons, this is something else. Where were you at when that happened? I was sitting next to Gary Stairman at Prophecy Watchers. Years ago, I was there doing an interview for a film that Steve Kwellen I were producing. And Gary was off camera relating to me his encounter with the UFO, which you guys have featured. He's come on your show. Which I found to be deeply compelling. And Gary believes that these weren't like just like benevolent aliens or something. He believes these were angels. And they saved his life. Not only did they save his life, it was that incident that changed the course of his life. Because when he ascended into the heavens and his airplane, he had no intention of being that day. He had no intention of being a Bible teacher. By the time he landed, he knew that he was supposed to be a Bible teacher because of that encounter with those beings in the craft. It was that life altering, career altering, yeah, for Gary. It wasn't just an interesting, fascinating experience. And so I often use this term because I think it's appropriate. The theological furniture in my mind was being rearranged. So were you kind of agnostic to aliens? No, I had not yet contemplated the idea that both the good guys and the bad guys are utilizing technology. I think I was still thinking about this topic from a supernaturalist perspective. And I don't like the word as everyone knows. I don't like the word supernatural because it doesn't mean anything. Most people on the show now are saying that. It's more and more like, yeah. It's meaningless. It's a nothing word. It doesn't describe anything. So you believed in UFOs, you believed in aliens, and then, but you just didn't wear a nor to stick it. You didn't know where to put it. I had just simply not contemplated that angels are operating physical technology. And when Gary told me story, it hit me like a ton of breaks. I mean, it was so foreign to my thinking, I had embraced the reality of the UFO phenomenon and the great aliens and everything like that. And I never thought that this was a supernatural phenomenon or a spiritual phenomenon. I always knew it was physical because of the abduction material, which I was well versed in by this time. But when Gary told me the story of how these two, essentially what he believes are angels, I think he assumes there was more than one in the craft, saved his life and set him on the course to preach the gospel as a serious student of the Bible. I realized in that moment that I was not thinking rationally about the kingdom of heaven. In that created a cascade of events. And as I said, it rearranged the theological furniture in my head. And I had to grapple with the idea that the kingdom of heaven is a functional kingdom. And that angels use, they must develop and use technology. So in other words, they're not all that different than we are. Civilization. But then you have a lot of Christians say that they would say, well, the fallen angels are the bad ones using the UFOs. What's the difference between a fallen angel and an alien? Depends on the context. So if fallen angel, quote unquote, fallen angel is an extra terrestrial. They're not from the earth. They're from somewhere else in the universe. Or however you want, however you would like that. You can say, well, they're just interdimensional beings. Okay, well, there's still extraterrestrial. Doesn't matter. They're not from here. I don't care where you think they're from. They're not from here. That's clear, biblically speaking. And so therefore, they are, they are by definition extra terrestrial. That's all that extraterrestrial means. Being whose provenance is not planet earth. Okay. So if you ask me, are angels extra terrestrial? I'd say absolutely they're extraterrestrial. Are angels aliens? Well, are they us? Are they human? No. Okay. So they're alien. Yeah. Now I don't like that designation because it conjures up pop culture ideas about aliens. But they are technically speaking. They're not us. Anything that's not us is by definition alien to us. But what happens is people automatically conflate in their minds a gray alien with an angel, which I think that's there's an important distinction there. The angels, as I've said many times on your show, I consider the angels to be a race. They're an angelic civilization. They free exist us. So when you're talking to people in this space about aliens, are they particularly thinking like grays? You mean, you mean the the UFO space? You mean the Christians having a hard time digesting this stuff? Is that who you are? Is that the audience you're referring to? Or just people in general? Just like people in the UFO space. I think you have a space. You have the traditional aliens like what are they thinking? Well, today you have a lot of people who are in the UFO space who are new to it and who are not versed in any of the material who aren't versed in the in the decades of very good competent research on this topic where a lot of the questions have been answered. 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People like Stanton Friedman, John Mack, Dr. David Jacobson, Jacob Strath or not Jacob, Dr. David Jacobs, Carla Turner in regard to the abduction phenomenon itself. A lot of these old school UFO researchers who, as I said, have already, I think, drawn the right conclusions about the phenomenon based on the research, based on the data. But today, you have a whole host of newcomers who, because they don't have that background, they haven't familiarized themselves with these people's work. They are trying to answer the questions that are already answered. And they're doing with all these newfangled ideas. Well, that's what I was trying to get to. The Christian hangout is aliens are fallen angels. That's that's they that's all they put those together. That's a trope. That's right. I think to your point though, I think it's what would Gary Steerman, right? We had episode 238. That busts the whole and everything because you go, you have a man that's saved by a UFO whose trajectory of his life changes to spreading the gospel based upon being saved by UFO. So if you're saying these are all fallen angels, it's all demonic. A deception. Right. Well, people would say that I think people can get scared by demonic things and they can they can change their life. But this is not a skit. This is a, this is a, this is a shaving. Yeah, it's a, it's a positive outcome. When do you have to put that in the mix and say this guy had the story forever didn't tell it publicly for a long time, but he has this whole encounter that with something that's benevolent in an unidentified flying object that saves his life and the objective of his life changes, right? Not because he's scared, but because he gets saved and you have to throw that and say, how do we, if you're hypothesis, this is all demonic is all demons. That doesn't fit. It doesn't work. Right. This is one of a bunch of things I know. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's the popular. That's, I would say that's the conventional Christian perception. So this is just all demonic deception. Because we're not told about in the Bible or we're not. Yeah. And so Christians, I think, have a, they're very reactionary in the sense that the first thing that they think is that something is deceptive in demonic, which isn't necessarily a bad default. I mean, you want to be on guard, but, but it's just not accurate. There's, there's nothing biblical about that. And the good guys outnumber the bad guys. And obviously, and the good guys and the bad guys come from the same place. They're not different species. They're the same people with different allegiances. And for some reason, a lot of Christians have a hard time accepting that reality. They want to see demons and fallen angels as these, as these very ugly, scary, grotesque beings who are clearly demonic in every way. And they fail to realize that there's again, there's nothing essentially very different between a quote unquote fallen angel and a loyal angel in heaven. And these are the same guys. Right. It's a question of allegiance. So there are allegiance changes, but not their appearance. At least not so dramatically that one looks like the typical caricature of a demon or Satan. And the other one looks like, you know, a beautiful blonde hair, young man with, with, with eagle wings. It's, that's not the reality. But in this film, what are they portrayalians as? Are they the grays? So, so it's very simple. Okay. Um, the way that this film approaches this is that this is nonhuman intelligence and that is biological. Now, you can speculate as, as to whether or not it's cybernetic as well, or there's an artificial intelligence component. But, but the film doesn't really care about those questions. The, the film focuses on what I think are the essentials, which are there's a crash retrieval program. We have the material we've been reverse engineering this technology and we have the bodies. And the government is to some extent, this is the, when you say the government, that's way too broad of a statement. It's hard to make any kind of different statement. I mean, because we don't know exactly which factions inside of government are the secrecy group or are part of the disclosure group. So, but it's hard to find the right terminology. So it's not that the government itself is holding back this information or disclosing it. It's factional. So, what we're seeing is a factional conflict. You're seeing elements of individuals who work in elements of the government are pro disclosure and then other individuals are pro secrecy among those who know anything about the topic at all. And, Elizondo, regardless of these guys as politics, this is another thing. People are keeping injecting the politics in this into this issue. This isn't, this is a nonpartisan issue. It really is a nonpartisan issue. This transcends politics. People have a hard time disassociating politics from, from anything. And I understand why, but it's, it's not, this is not political. There are Democrat operatives who are informing, attempting to inform the public of the reality of the UFO phenomenon and there are Republican operatives. And some of these guys like Christopher Mellon, you know, are friends with John Fedesta, and the Biden's, and you know, they're from that faction. They're from the Biden Obama Podesta. Well, this is. The faction. And so people say, oh, Christopher Mellon has these associations and then they make a political association to the bad guys. And so therefore Christopher Mellon is clearly lying, but they don't, they don't, no one ever comes forward, at least to me, and demonstrates what they're lying about. They just think, oh, they're lying. It's a deception. Okay. So my question, because we're, you're going to eat a lot of hate comments on this one. My question is, if you're going to come out and say, sigh out deception, blue beam, whatever, then you need to specify, you need to articulate what precisely are these guys saying, or let's be specific to the film? What precisely, what information is being presented in age of disclosure? That is a deception. What is it? Is it the crash retrieval program? Sorry, that's real. That's not a deception. That's the truth. Is it the speculation, the hypotheses about how the craft operate? No, I think these, I think the hypotheses are that they put forward in this film that they offer are very rational. They do a really good job of that, by the way. Is the deception, what, that there's biological bodies associated with these crash retrievals? No, that's not a deception. These guys don't try and tell you what they are. They don't do that. They don't say, well, these are, the grays are aliens from Zeta reticuli. They don't do that. They're just trying to drive home the reality that this is happening. Here's the facts. Here's, and they're telling the American people that this is real, and the American people, a large part of them refuse to believe. Well, that's an interesting one. We're finally being told the truth on some level, and now we're so we have such conspiracy psychosis that people refuse to believe it. Or they're politically binary. They're saying, well, if it's this side, then it's a lie, and if this side is the truth, then they make it a political issue when it's, it's a hard part for a certain percentage of brains just can't get it, whether they're Christian or non-Christian. That's true. Then the Christians bring in a whole bunch of spiritual baggage, baggage, biological baggage. I want to ask you a little bit about that, because Redfern's book, which is final events. Final events? Yeah. You talk about the Collins Elite there, right? This is a place that happened. One of the things that he points to is that the members of this faction, however loosely affiliated it is, they really predicate stuff on occult figures, Alus or Crowley and Jack Parsons, in their work. Obviously, there's the famous thing where Crowley opens a portal, allegedly has his drawing, and it looks like a gray coming through. Parsons does the Babylon workings, are they trying to summon something? We've talked about psionics here. Yeah, the lamb doesn't really look like a gray alien. He has the egg-shaped head. That's where they really predicate their hypothesis or their conclusions on their hypothesis are land there, saying these occult figures were attempting to channel their term to do workings, rituals, in order to bring about these aliens, and we use that term loosely. This is why it's a demonic deception. Is these people that were obviously in some shape of form satanists, which they were. Okay, tell me it was. That's kind of a different question. These are two different questions. People have to differentiate these questions in their mind. Have occultists made contact with non-human intelligence? That's question one, question two. Is there a crash retrieval program with biological bodies? Two separate questions. People are conflating these. These are two separate questions. The answer to both of these questions is yes, but the problem is people are denying this one over here because this one's yes, but they can't hold the two things in their mind at the same time. So if the occult aspect is yes, then this over here has to be the deception, right? No, the deception isn't the existence of a crash retrieval program. The deception isn't the biological reality of gray aliens. It's not a deception. That's just a fact. The deception is the messaging that's going to be coming in the future. And there is no messaging yet, contrary to popular belief, aside from personalities like Chris Plesso, there is no messaging coming from the beans. There have been claims of contact for decades. Unless you can crop circles of some point. There have been claims of contact for decades. These people were called contactees. You know, if it's ancient times and you're looking good, maybe you have a coat of many colors back on the Bible times. Where would you get one today, Luke? Well, unless you're Bigfoot, and you grow your own cashmere sweater, Quinn's is the place that got everyday essentials that we love with quality that last, I'm actually wearing a Quinn shirt right now. Let's look at these things have survived a number of washes. They don't shrink. It's premium, premium material. They've got light cashmere sweaters, short sleeve Mongolian cashmere polos, linen bottoms and shorts, teas and a hundred percent Pima cotton in European Jersey, linen. I got the 100 percent Pima cotton here. 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And they said that they were receiving messages. They said that they were they were do automatic engage in automatic writing, dictation from the beings much like Elastor Crawley. Let's still happen. And we can emails about people like to say they claim that they have in contact with. This is the this is contact tease. Contact the contact T phenomenon is is very much interwoven with the new age and spiritualism and all of that. Most of it is complete and utter hogwash. Most of it. Some of it is authentic in the sense that some of these individuals are I'll be very specific are abductees are being abducted. And alien abduction is very practical. We've talked about this at Naus Day Mon your show, but alien abduction is not the contact T phenomenon and people are conflating continually conflating these two things. So people will say for example, well, we know that the abductions are demons that the abductors that the aliens are demons because they're telling the contact T's or the ab duct T's they're they're telling them that messaging that's contrary to the biblical narrative. They're interested in apparently the aliens are interested in convincing human beings that Jesus isn't the son of God or whatever. That stuff does not come from the abduction material. Understand it doesn't come from the abduction material that comes from the contact T material. These are two separate things entirely. Contactees are people who are mostly in the new age are making stuff up or are having intercourse with demons, who are practicing divination or whatever. Abductees don't get very many messages. Most abductees don't get messages. Most abductees are desperate to learn things from the from the grays when they're on you know when they're in the environment when they're on the craft and the grays don't tell them anything. So they're like when they're awake they're lucid and they or if they're told anything it's something along the lines of this is for the future what we're doing is for the future. Something's coming we're preparing you for what's coming there's going to be an event there's going to be a change that's going to happen and you're going to be instrumental you're special that's the kind of things that abductees are told to console them during the procedure to calm them down to help them cope with what's happening that's the only really the only kind of messaging. Now some abductees will walk away with screen memories in which they have these experiences with whatever they have these experiences in which a beautiful being of light communicated some wonderful revelation to them and but really that's not what happened that's a screen memory they were just laying on the table you know if it's a woman having her ovaries ex having her eggs extracted and or a zygote implanted or something like that and this is the screen memory that she's left with so that she has a positive association with the experience because the experience is negative it's always negative nobody wants to be forcefully taken anywhere nobody I don't care who you are you don't want to be forcefully taken anywhere and subjected to an invasive embarrassing procedure procedure especially with other people around and the reason why I'm going down the abduction path we've done this before but the but the reason why so many abductees don't come forward with their stories is because there's there's embarrassing and compromising things that happen on on board the craft abductees are sometimes forced to have intercourse with each other so if you're a happily married person that's the last thing you want to reveal to your spouse or anyone else yeah because it's you feel the guilt it's infidelity but it's not your fault you have no control in those situations so there's a lot of there's a lot of baggage that these people are carrying and and it's in the ones who can remember there's a lot of embarrassing stuff here and and that's the reality of the abductee phenomenon the contactee phenomenon is is I would say most of it as I said before is it's it's imagined it's it's fanciful and then you have individuals like Chris Blitz so I don't know Chris personally but I suspect that Chris is an abductee in fact I'm quite positive I wasn't asking about that because it's probably recounting a lot of screen memory material and a lot of what he says is is is is a consistent with screen memory material I've heard from other abductees so and screen memories are false memories as your audience I'm sure knows by now implanted into the brains fab ductees so do you think he's he's practicing psionics as well because there's all these stories about his yeah the abductees things in the desert where they they summon ships and they summon so I talk to I don't want to say his name but I talk to one of the a whistleblower and not it's not Lou I talked to a whistleblower who's involved in the psionic stuff and and I told him that I suspect that a lot of these psionic operators are abductees because abductees are intrinsically connected to the phenomenon the grays know if you're a woman and you have a you're carrying a hybrid fetus and you womb the grays know if you're contemplating an abortion they know it how because they're interlaced telepathically with you well what's the evidence for that it's in the abduction material so you'll have a woman who is carrying a fetus and she finds out she's pregnant and there's no way she could be pregnant she's no way she could be pregnant she's baffled her gynecologist is baffled and she she's she's thinking I don't know what this is I don't know where it came from but I'm gonna abort it and she's contemplating abortion the grays know she's contemplating abortion they abduct her before the procedure remove the fetus she goes in for the abortion and there's nothing there okay that's not uncommon and so the grays are interlaced telepathically and technologically with an abductee because of the implants so they know they're monitoring and I hate to use these terms but it's like cattle it's like if you've got I always think of my friend Brandon Haven who he had a ranch in Australia in a big ranch and he was too lazy to go out there and check on his cows when he sounded like maybe there's a commotion something was going on so what did he do he put his drone up in the air so he'd be sitting there in his house in his tidy whiteies flying his drone over his fields over over his ranch to check on his to check on his cattle so he something alerted him that that that there's yeah there's something is a miss out there in the field and so he senses he deploys his drone to go see see what's happening well in the same way abductees are interlaced with the phenomenon if they're trying to connect with this phenomenon they they can inadvertently and what happens almost in almost invariably when someone quote unquote summons a UFO it's not a saucer that shows up it's an orb that's like grier right that's what griers it's most of the time it's an orb because it's like a reconnaissance and I think it's automated so they're checking on their cattle and I hate to put it in those terms but it's it I think people understand the the analogy I'm trying to draw here so it's an automated response and by the way the individuals who I've positing this to were entirely in agreement with that assessment and they told me no in certain terms that they know that some of their psionics operators are abductees and they suspect that I'm correct in this analysis that the phenomenon the psionic phenomenon is interlaced with the abduction phenomenon and it makes perfect sense to me and so I don't have any problem understanding how an abductee can summon an orb because the orbs are going to respond they're it's surveillance it's reconnaissance and that's why orbs show up for example an abductees home before they're abducted oftentimes because the orbs the orbs are these are reconnaissance reconnaissance technology and they can project thoughts through orbs but they can project thoughts from a distance abductees can receive telepathic communication from a distance and I suspect that that the implants have something to do with this as well I would I would venture to say that all abductees are implanted yeah so how many you just got to kind of refresh people's because there's a lot of voices in this space how many how many people in the UFO space are Christians I have no idea I would say not many I would say the majority of the UFO communities you've got to have been a you're in a very specific kind of a lane yeah like the circles when you overlap there's not very many people who are Christians who understand these things or it also understand the nephilim space Genesis six-base UFO space alien space and the gospel you're not you're not gonna have a few there's only a few people they're gonna be in the middle of that I'm a investigative researcher I just am interested in the truth I don't care what the truth is I don't I'm not I don't have a vested interest in any of this in regard to a doctrinal position or anything I believe in the gospel of Christ and nothing nothing can upend that foundational truth for me because nothing does because my my paradigm is is flexible and broad and it's it's it can accommodate any of this without a problem because I believe as we've discussed previous occasions I have a Christocentric perspective of the universe my cosmology is Christocentric Christ is at the center of all things everything revolves around him this isn't my story this isn't our story it's history we're the spokes in the wheel we're not the hub why do you and so when you do that when you remove yourself from the center of the story but Christ at the center you realize you're just an ancillary character on this thing yeah then you can acknowledge that there's a lot you don't understand there's a lot of realities that you can't comprehend you concede to the fact that God doesn't tell you everything you just don't even tell you most things because you've freed them there too Tim because you you don't have to hold a position and look for confirmation bias you can just look for just look for the facts the facts you just look for the facts and you assimilate the facts and I don't come to the table with a fallen angel box okay so here's my box it's labeled fallen angel slash nepholeum slash demons and then go out there in the world and try and cram everything I encounter into this little box I'm carrying around that's what most Christians do that's what a lot of my colleagues do they cram it in there they shove it in there regardless if it's rational regardless if it makes sense regardless if these things conform to the facts it doesn't matter this is their predetermined explanation for any given phenomenon and they shove everything into that box do you think that keeps people in the UFO space from accepting the gospel because they see Christians doing that it keeps people in the UFO space from taking Christian seriously yeah because if you come to the table with a preconceived answer well what's my answer when I come to the table my answer is that Jesus is the Messiah the son of the living God that's my answer now does that answer anything to do with the UFO phenomenon no it doesn't have to because that's the center of my world and my reality but it doesn't necessarily answer any questions in regard to crash retrievals or alien bodies it doesn't have to that's the difference I've I've liberated myself from these presuppositions and that's there's a form of theological thinking called presuppositionalism and what it is is you come to the table with a set of presuppositions on any given topic you have already determined that this is the way that everything everything must conform to this suite of presuppositions and then you take whatever data you find out there in the world and you contort it and you twist it and you compress it to fit into one of your presuppositional slots so we have so many denominations in Christendom yes honestly right is everybody everybody picks the hill they're gonna die which really doesn't isn't it's not the gospel lever it's always it's it's predestination or eschatology or ridiculous things like when the Sabbath is or you people choose these lanes and they they filter everything backwards through through the through that minutiae right like you're right does it's it's not only limiting but it's it's also very narrow in the sense it's conceded too because I can see the reality that that I know very little about anything I can see that reality quite effortlessly I can say look even if we took the compendium of human knowledge and you stuffed it into my brain I still hardly know anything about the universe okay I still hardly know anything well we can't have it in the show more questions and answers well that's that's that's a position we have to start from a position of humility understanding that what what we've what's been revealed to mankind is concrete what's been revealed to mankind from God but let's not pretend that everything's been revealed to us very little has been revealed to us okay very little so most people will say in this situation like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter like we're we're not talking about the gospel you guys are talking about things that don't matter why do you think this conversation does matter because I think it does I don't care if it matters I find it intriguing and therefore I talk about well I need to but I think the jumping off to that point though is that we're we started talking and we're still talking about the age disclosure right so if this film that comes out and of 2025 and a lot of folks will say oh we're soft pedaling this this is this again is programming it's it's setting up for the the the big event right so I want to ask your opinion on this so as we it's a documentary and a lot of folks in our channels have said nothing new in it right and this is kind of what you repeated there's nothing new in it it just it's just it lays it out right it's nothing it's not like there's the new revelations necessarily in this it maybe if you showed up in 2020 it concretizes the reality right but where do you think what do you think this is headed because it's headed somewhere I mean we've talked about disclosure and it is that gonna happen when is it gonna happen but what what does your take you get to talk to a lot of people in your in your little you don't sound to sound demeaning but in your in your UFO club your folks right these are these are these are comments you're folks he was gonna say that well these are congress people and these are congress people these are intelligence people these are researchers these are people that are this is what they do right at least or this is what they do or they have a unique knowledge set based upon their position within the broad brush government right and you talk to these folks a lot I know because we talk offline about this where are we going but where are we going with this what do what do things happening here because it is opening the box to whoever to your grandma who turns on Amazon says this is interesting and she has no no foundation for this so but it's becoming it's it's becoming available to the masses it's not just it's not niche in the sense that maybe it was 10 years ago or five years ago you could think about this topic UFOs aliens alien bodies whole topic in the same way you think about big foot okay so there's many so big so big foot so big foot if if he's real if that if that if Sasquatch is real come on Sasquatch is real people please print right now there it is that's it that's all I needed to see exactly I believe as you guys know I believe Sasquatch is real so people don't approach that topic with the same questions they do this one I find that interesting you don't have all of the theological baggage or at least not as much theological baggage when you think about big foot the reality of big foot yeah and in that space it's much more of a kind of a scientific inquiry when you say it's much more people are interested in evidence for big foot prince they're they're interested inside it's inside our it's here on our realm yes it's tangible it's something it's it's it's something that you can that that it's it's a small enough mystery it's a small enough paradox it's got limitations it's got limitations and so people approach it differently well this is but yeah I mean it's sort of inconsequential in some ways but this is different yeah but what I'm saying is so if you approach the big foot topic what would you think about this this the following proposition if I were to come to you your big foot researcher and you've you've got evidence you're you've you really have substantial evidence and reasons that you've accumulated convincing reasons to believe in big foot and I come and I say to you don't look at that that's demonic they do that I know but let's just they don't do this much in this space as they do the other don't don't look at that that's demonic why are you looking at that why are you interested in that the answer with bigfoot's kind of much easier because you're like well I'm fascinated by this I mean like look at this evidence yeah and then you think well what does this mean I mean is this a relic hominid or is this a nephaline is this whatever and the answer is simple in that space you know you don't get a whole lot of controversy there you do among bigfoot researchers but that's not what we're talking about but for whatever reason you can't take the same approach in the UFO space because people get really upset you can't say well I'm just approaching this in the same way this is a fascinating topic and I just want to fair it out the reality I don't care about the theories and I'll care about the hypotheses I don't care about the theological positioning I don't care that's what I don't care about I just want to know what the reality of this is that's and so I'm pursuing what's real and my pursuit of what's real doesn't need to be justified I don't need to justify it to you theologically just because you're a Christian and you come to me and you say and I'm not talking about you guys I'm talking about the broader audience why are you looking at this a Collins elite why are you looking at that it's just a deception yeah it's anti-intellectual for one thing people don't approach other things like that would you say that about the Epstein files like if we were here talking about the Epstein files instead of UFOs and we're just sort of laying out the facts yeah and and proposing a particular theory about the Epstein files you wouldn't have people in your audience maybe a couple but you the majority of your audience wouldn't come and say why are you looking at that that's just a deception yeah right right and you're like well wait a minute what do you mean we're just following the trail we're just trying to figure out who's doing what and what the implications are for who's involved in this in our government right yeah this is the just a scientific approach to a question you're not allowed to do that with UFOs according to many Christians that's off limits that one's off limits you can't just be interested in the facts report the facts as they are follow the evidence no that is a different realm in people's mind it's a different topic it they don't equate it with anything else this is just a big fat deception don't look at it cover your eyes the problem isn't that people have been convinced one way or another the problem is that people do not think rationally about this topic for whatever reason well I would say that like the difference to me about the two topics is that one has the potential to to create an existential crisis for a lot of people they're not they're okay all three of those topics I mean I see most people are are going to be like okay so you have you've got a large bipedal creature that runs around and it's real okay that doesn't really affect what's the difference to that in a gray liqueur because then there's a lot of questions that come along with that like okay now oh we're not alone okay I don't know to do with that okay all of the we're not alone it's a bigfoot real right but I'm talking about it in the in the universe right it's already there yeah but I'm saying like there's a lot of folks that this this is their paradigm is not busted by the realities of a bigfoot creature existing but I think a lot of folks will they name would have a like an existential crisis or a breaking of their paradigm they're not the same in the movies like the day the earth stood still right like everybody is battle for earth yeah you know it's like this moment where we're you know we're all together as a human race looking at this other race where suddenly all equal right and in the programming in media has has like like talk to these movies has has convinced or at least put this narrative out there to this piece this is a this is an existential crisis for the human race if this exists right if this is real and I think that it makes a much different conversation around phenomena when not only maybe their theology gets broken if this is real because they they don't have a space for that right but we've talked about why there is a space so this is this is not for us right but I think this is why it's different I think people I think the the adverse or the knee jerk reactions are because folks don't have a grid well maybe you have maybe you have like Christians who are like you know demons angels and Jesus that's what exists right in us and then you have academia it's like evolution we've come this whole way and that's been pounded into their brains and then this other it's been pounded in our brains and then there's this whole other option I don't believe in the theory of evolution I think that it's not a very strong theory well sure most Christians were to be true it wouldn't change much for me it wouldn't change the fundamental tenets of my faith it wouldn't and there are plenty of Christians even apologists who who have embraced the theory of evolution they think that God is the architect of evolution again I do not but they do people like William Lane Craig the eminent apologist and others or individuals who are open to the theory of evolution but certainly a test faith in Christ a a biblical faith in Christ what about you you are the Messiah the son of the living God that is the testimony of a Christian that Jesus is the Messiah the son of God and and then with you know as you said there's a there's a thousand different theological positions on all kinds of topics surrounding that core reality so in the same way that if it turned out that evolution was true again I'm very confident it's not but if it did it wouldn't bother me because because my roots go deep in the gospel but I think this alien conversation blows it a lot of the water I think what do people in that space believe about evolution so of course you have you have those who believe who are sitch and who are sitch and knights who believe that the Anunnaki created yes that the Anunnaki chose a and a relic hominid well not it wouldn't be relic in this case an ancient hominid species and an engage in cross species genetics with themselves adding their own genetic material material it just makes just a Genesis 6 reboot of with the sons of God being at the top of the pantheon so the aliens created us kind of a narrative and you know what what Christian do you have to warn I mean what I think about it do you really have to be warned that that message isn't true I mean you should know that if you believe in the gospel if you believe in Christ then you're going to reject that kind of a notion out of hand it doesn't matter if it comes from a being in a flying saucer or whatever right because you're firmly grounded in the gospel and you know that that's a lie that that we were created by God in the image of God and and so it doesn't really affect you one way or the other I mean it's not going to move you in the same way that that many other revelations wouldn't shake your faith in Christ so I think what the problem here is is not so much that people are afraid of being deceived I think people are unwilling to I'm going to use my phrase again and I borrowed this by the way from Christopher Hitchens I think people are afraid to rearrange the furniture in their brain they're unwilling to unbind themselves to I think they're afraid to tear down a wall well that's what I'm trying to say they're afraid to unconstrained themselves to and open to liberate themselves from these boxes that they've been so comfortable in for so long because as long as you've got these label boxes that you can shove everything into you feel like you've got all the answers in the universe very comfortable and that's the difference between me and a lot of people I don't need all the answers I can let the mysteries be mysteries and I can follow the facts and once you've liberated yourself from that the existence of biological gray aliens means nothing to you it doesn't change anything it doesn't affect your worldview you just you just assimilate the fact okay I guess those exist and I there's no reason for me to deny the existence of biological gray aliens even if I don't have an answer I don't it doesn't bother me that I don't have an answer I don't need an answer I don't need a gray alien to be an effort but it could still be a part of a deception so let's keep going so say that crash retrievals are real aliens are real but they can still all that can be used for a deception anything can be used for deception yeah but everything is used for deception so yeah the idea that the phenomenon itself is a deception yes is absurd it's on its face absurd it's that is just cognitive dissonance okay you are just in a state of denial at this point okay so that is a way for people to not have to address these uncomfortable realities so they just oh it's all deception it's it's um blue beam or whatever so you don't have to you don't have to grapple with the hard questions then you can just go on with your comfortable buckets and shove everything into those buckets and every day it's getting on your way harder and harder and harder yes so you might as well just confront it head on and let go of these let go of of your buckets stop trying to shove everything in there and you'll it'll be a lot easier to process this stuff and so what is the deception we have to ask this continual asset continually asks this question what precisely is the deception well we can know what a deception is based on the message so if you have a if you have the existence of gray aliens if they're real that's not a deception is that a deception no that's not a deception that's just a fact okay all right I'm not gonna try and cram that into one of these boxes to the Nephilim Fallen Angel what was the other one demon box if it doesn't belong in there I'm just gonna go put it over here that's just a reality okay fine is that reality in and of itself a deception no the same exact way that the reality of bigfoot isn't a deception is bigfoot is the reality of bigfoot a deception would you say that's a deception would you say that sass the reality of sass quatch is in and of itself a deception very few people would make that case because it's irrational so I'm just asking people to think consistently about everything so what's the deception the deception is the message that is coming the deception is someone is going to come and deceive the world into believing that they're the Christ and leave the world into war with the Son of God that's a deception so leave the world into conflict with the Son of God it's an imposter figure who's coming and is all of this going to culminate in that yes see so here I am with you now with you the lot of people in the audience that you guys where I would acknowledge and I'm sure you guys would as well that yes the consequences of some of this the the ramifications are going to play into the deception I'm there I wrote a book about this called birthright I'm there we're headed there regardless we're headed there not just with good gray alien stuff and all of that we're headed there with transhumanism we have a post post apocalyptic rather a post human apocalypse brooding on the horizon like a hurricane and the the deception is there but the deception is the message it's not the realities so start people need to differentiate between the things that are real and the deception that is coming yes perhaps based on these things that are real but you need to be able to differentiate that in your head the the existence of great biological gray aliens is not itself a deception be prepared for the deception but you're okay if you believe in the gospel of Christ and your roots go deep you're prepared for the deception all right so then back to my question how how close do you think we are based on your conversations and contacts to an actual disclosure event do you think that's I think it's inevitable because we don't control the phenomenon we can't dial it down you can't be like oh there's too much UFO activity let's turn this down we don't have any control over the phenomenon none so all we can do is control the narrative and the reason why the disclosure is happening is because the phenomenon is burgeoning and it cannot be stopped and at this point in time it's better to get in front of the narrative to control it than to be backpedaling and just denying the obvious right so so do you have characters out there who are trying to frame the narrative in a such a way that they are being deceptive and and they want to control the way we think about this phenomenon the answer is yes you know who that is it's called arrow it's the Pentagon's UFO office investigative body that's those are the deceivers I can tell you that those guys are deceiving those guys are burying the truth their and their purpose is to deceive Congress first and foremost why so that they won't have any further inquiries so that they will so that they'll be so much what arrow has been doing behind the scenes and especially this activity was happening much more aggressively I would say a couple of years ago than it is now but but arrow would take a a handful of UFO incidents and then they would they would they they're they're going to take the layups the ones that are easy right and they'll go into Congress and they'll debunk the layups to the to the to the congressman you know here's this one and up this is a balloon here's this one over here and up that's just a whatever they debunk the layups and the objective here is to quell the interest at the congressional level why because the people who are controlling the information and who have access to and who are controlling to some extent the black budget projects they don't want the American people to know about this and and they they definitely don't want congressional oversight that's the last thing they want I guarantee you that okay they don't want the American people to know that there have been crash retrievals and bodies no that's not the deception coming from the government that's the thing the government is trying to keep the lid on so when you got the other guys grouch and a lasando in the rest coming and telling the truth yes we have crash retrievals yes we have bodies the guys who are trying to keep the lid on this thing are not happy with them they don't want us to know that because that opens up a host of uncomfortable questions so it's very easy to deduce who's lying here arrows lying not Lou not David not the others who have come forward arrow is lying so that what's the deception here the deception is trying to convince the American people that elements of our government are not involved in this phenomenon that we haven't been reverse engineering this technology that we haven't recovered the bodies and that we're not working with aerospace companies to develop this technology that's the deception you want to talk about deception there it is so so do you think we won't get actual disclosure then no we will okay because we can't control the phenomenon and eventually the the grays for example have an objective we don't control their they're gonna execute their plan regardless of what we do the Pentagon has no control over what the grays are doing so in this film let's just say all the UFO guys that are like feel like there is a sense of a social responsibility to help disclosure the public needs to know obviously you don't agree about everything right in the nephiline space people don't agree about everything what do you the core things you think that these people that are part of this disclosure movement agree on like that they don't disagree you mean are you talking about are you talking about the central players like there are actual effort for disclosure yes government that actually want to try to be what do they agree on or what do they disagree what do they agree on okay so they all agree yeah they all agree I'm talking about the the whistleblowers yes the congressional guys are still trying to figure this out the whistleblowers they all agree a that there is a legacy crash retrieval program stone cold fact it exists it's being run it's being operated by elements of the United States government but primarily the aerospace contracting companies and the aerospace contracting companies each have a piece of the puzzle nobody has the whole thing and they are profiting off of this everything I've said so far all of the whistle blowers agree with okay be there are biological bodies some gray aliens and perhaps other kinds of things there are biological bodies that have been recovered and that we've been studying for decades they all agree on that okay and see there are elements inside of the United States government that are aggressively impeding the effort for disclosure there is a secrecy faction in the government a hostile secrecy faction that is not only trying to keep this or keep a lid on this thing but is actively trying to destroy the people who come forward that would be the other thing that's much better way to say that is the other thing that these guys agree on because they've all experienced first hand including Luele Zando so is it dollars is it financial is that why they there's a there's a handful of very evident reasons why these guys want to keep the lid on this one of them is because they're implicated in serious crimes serious crimes against the American people they don't want congressional oversight so here you have behind the scenes you have whistle blowers guys that have gone forward and testifying Congress who are crusading behind the scenes for congressional oversight now is there anybody in this audience listening to us who would be opposed to congressional oversight do we think that this technology should just be in the hands of the aerospace companies where there's no accountability this is our money by the way okay so raise your hand if you think oversight's a bad idea any rational person is going to say no no no oversight's a good idea right that's why Congress exists so is the crusade for oversight good and just and appropriate the answers yes so there's no deception there right this is just a rational response to a real problem that we have the problem is these organizations these elements of these aerospace contractors have gone rogue we got a problem it's okay and and the government has been implicated in very nefarious activities illegal activities because there's been no oversight so getting oversight over this thing is that a good idea or is that a bad idea it's a good idea okay so why don't we just get behind it why do we just throw throw the flag on the field and say deception why not say hey wait a minute this is a good effort here why would we be looking at a guy like I'm gonna bring up blue because lose the one who gets all the all of the vitriol online you he's the one who much of his aim bet why do people just bypass these facts like Lewis working for congressional oversight in the background I know that for a fact okay he wants the American people to know about what certain elements not everything because he wants to keep our secrets some of our our military advantages he wants to keep those secrets which I think is rational but he wants the American people to know fundamentally the most important realities about this phenomenon because he believes that everyone has the right to know okay and then furthermore he believes that the American people through Congress should have oversight those are elected officials those people should have oversight over this stuff okay so tell me how he's a how how is he how is he working for the for the bad guys here somebody somebody show me how Louis is on and people well he's published fake photos of UFOs okay I know everybody has I know for sure that that he was very deeply embarrassed by that made a mistake made a mistake okay but he but look what he's doing actively look what all these guys are doing actively they're trying to let you know what's happening and put the American people back in control of this thing this monster right get control get oversight over this over these illegal things that have been happening in the cover of darkness with our money and also black money that's been accrued through human trafficking and other very nefarious activities these are the good guys yeah and and everybody writes some off as the bad guys because deception isn't that just such a convenient word I don't understand it I don't like it therefore deception right blue beam I don't want to deal with the uncomfortable realities there so I got this sticker this bumper sticker that I just slap on any conversation that makes me feel uncomfortable blue beam nephaline fallen angels it's the same but people aren't focusing on the realities what's there's nobody that knows there's no there's not very many experts I mean just many people who think they're experts but just in our space say the internet everyone's the next everyone asks their favorite minister influencer in the Christian space what are your thoughts on aliens and I think not only is that a bad thing to ask them because even hyzer you know famously said the seminary grads get two lectures on angels and demons not courses lectures and then they're asked what do you thoughts on angels hyzer was dead wrong about UFOs and aliens by the way but but my point is is they're not equipped to answer these questions at all no no it's true and I don't know what they're just emotionally going to say something to you that's it yeah and what I'm trying to tell people is this there's a war going on right now yes there's deception coming down the pipe but I personally I pursue the truth at every angle I'm not afraid of the deception I'm for the truth let the chips fall where they may if you're worried about being deceived then you need to go see that you're still in the faith double check if you're still in the faith okay if you're worried about being deceived and unbelievers are going to be deceived no matter what right so I'm not worried about the deception I know deception is coming and I'll know it when I hear it but when I see a group of people behind the scenes working to stop the bad guys to stop the nefarious illegal programs taking place that involve human experimentation human trafficking and then I look over here at my Christian fellow my fellow Christians who are just blasting these guys with all kinds of labels just because you know this guy worked for this and this this guy was counterintelligence this guy worked in the intelligence community that is called ignorance I see the battle that's unfolding and if people had any idea of the levels of depravity and illicit activity that have been unfolding in darkness and I would say very literally under our feet in the deep underground military basis they would be appalled and they would champion those individuals who are trying to get oversight and who are trying to bring these bring these rogue elements of our government and the aerospace contractors to heal right wouldn't you say if this were a movie with those guys be cast as the good guys in that movie right would you be rooting for those guys to win so what's wrong with us here I'll tell you what's wrong people misinformed there's too many squakers out there talking about demons pretending to have the answers to this from a biblical theological perspective but they're not dealing with the reality they're not dealing with the facts they don't know the people will take ten years to get up to speed it takes a long time looking into the data no I mean I think I suppose we live in a in a time when everybody wants the easy easy answer they want a pill for anything and it's like that's what that's the point right like all this is easy deception demons and it's much more nuanced than that well you can't convince Christians that giants were real what I mean they're a tough bunch we're a tough bunch as Christians and I'm I'm I'm all for having a defensive posture yeah making sure that you're guarding yourself from from but I'm not I'm not there's a difference between being wise being cunning is a surfeit right yeah but Gentiles adove and being paranoid okay so there's a big difference there I'm not paranoid I'm not worried about deception because I just grow myself in the gospel of Christ so we have the whistleblowers who believe in those three things the government's actively trying to squash this that the retrieval program is real and what's the other one biologics biologics and that there's and that there's elements of our government that are actively trying to obfuscate this reality and then there's other characters in this space who are nefarious who don't who do who believe these things but are actively involved trying to sure poo poo at all so they don't get along with the whistleblowers I mean one specifically yeah the all don't name all domain anomaly what the hell is arrow called I can't remember the acronym for arrows but so people who work for that and there's a yeah arrow is clearly the as I said earlier that's a deceptive body but there's people to get kind of ousted from the UFO community because of one thing or another because of a mistake this is the one field where if you make a mistake you're instantly written off as as a propaganda or something like that you're written off as somebody who's working for the feds so listeners probably who haven't turned off this show because there are Christians who are some good Christians that are with you that are giving good information you think the big of tune in that's that's a difficult question answer I don't want to implicate anybody one way or the other I would say that there's a lot as I keep saying there's a lot of voices network or something there's a we're working on that behind the scenes there's a lot of voices squawking okay but but we have enough information to know who to know what the situation is and what to support right and that information has been it's not hidden it's not hidden I'm not I'm not revealing anything new here it's been available in the public space for so long and yet people refuse to accept it they refuse Luke told me something very interesting the other day he said you know we're finally telling the truth and nobody believes us yeah nobody believes us so we have a problem it's it's cognitive dissonance we have convinced ourselves that everything's a lie everything's a deception and that's not wisdom that's foolishness because we're missing the battle we're missing the battle and it's frustrating to me because I see clearly see the efforts that that are in opposition to these guys and rather than having unanimous support from good people and the Christian community everybody's over here still arguing about whether these are Nephilim or fallen angels or whether these are you know the whole thing's just just project blue beam and it's very frustrating because we're getting to a point and I tweeted about this the other day or I made a post the next about this the other day we're getting to to this paradox where even if the government starts telling the truth about things nobody's going to believe it doesn't matter what it is it doesn't even matter if it's the Epstein files if the government opens up the Epstein files and it doesn't live up to the to these wild conspiracy theories everyone's going to disbelieve it because they're going to say up you're just lying you're covering it up but what if they're not what if that's just what it is and you have blown it into something you have you have you have created this fantasy in your mind and because reality doesn't conform to your fantasy you're therefore going to deny reality that's where we are we're there and I think that's a it's a it's a it's a it's a type of conspiracy psychosis that we've reached which is I think it's it's injurious to especially to the Christian community so you would say this is like one of the number one things the Christians should should know about should be informed of and should be advocating advocating like and yes I think that I think that we should be willing to what do you think they should do second question I think that we should be slow to make accusations we people get caught up in internet in the this happens in the Christian community you guys can attest to this just reading your comments on your on your social media and stuff love them comments people get caught up in the social media atmosphere of hostility and they comport themselves in a way that is not becoming of a Christian online because they feel like they have some sort of license to do that online and to act irrational and to make accusations why because that's what people do on social media so they're so be careful that you don't become an accuser and it's easy to accuse it's easy to derive it's difficult to parse fact from reality it's difficult to take the time to try and truly understand a topic and not revert to the binary options that social media presents you with and then to join in the chorus of of accusers and and mockers it's that's very easy and and and Christians they go out there and they and they they comport themselves in the same way that that other people do and you don't have license to do that you don't I mean if you're if you're a believer you you should not feel the liberty to go out there and do that because it's in cyberspace you should have wisdom you should act you should act in a way that is that is conforms to your faith in Christ and as a believer and you should want to know the truth regardless of where it takes you well you need to you need to desire the truth and to support those people who are telling you the truth and you can say well I don't believe in telling you the truth and again I'm going to say and I know we got to wrap it up here but if you're going to say that if you're going to accuse people of lying then you have to be specific about what they're lying about you can't just blanket accuse somebody of lying and write them off as a deceiver without addressing specifically the lie that you think they're telling because that's called baseless accusation yeah and there is an accuser in the Bible his name is Satan that's precisely what his name means we don't have license to make baseless accusations for whatever reason Christians think that they're allowed to make baseless accusations well I don't think they're accusations I don't think we realize that we're often the complaining Israelite in the story we're not Moses that's a very good point you know Moses is running from the Egyptians he's he's got he's got that going on he's got all the people complaining to him and he's just it's always the one guy that's willing to tune it all out and try his hardest to continue to do God's will and I think we all think we're the Moses in the story we all think oh yeah I'm doing the right thing I've got the right information and usually word we're hindering Moses we're making his job harder yeah that's what we do I agree with that I think that's correct yeah he's got a thing to do he's got to lead the people through the through the craziness he's got to deliver us and I I think Christians are just I don't know is this spirit or something else but well thanks to him yeah I think it's always timely and I think especially with as the rest the pockets wakes up to the realities of disclosing through a film like this that is so important as we talked about Christians that is so important that as people of faith and Christians that we just we talk about these things we have these discussions we we look for the evidence and the facts the research the data and we create our our opinions and our conclusions based upon that rooted in the gospel and not on the propaganda or the deception that we talked about so I just I appreciate it I mean there's like you know you're on the cutting edge of so many things you're looking for lost cities and Peru but I know and an audience will knows now you know we'll know now if they didn't before that you're very plugged in to the key players and movers and shakers in this space and so it's really an honor again to have you in in the space in the studio and to talk about I think what I think is someone the most important things that we can talk about in public discourse right now yeah is talk about because there are films because we have oversight and because these topics are going to be at in our faces you know if not already sooner than we then we can imagine and I want to reiterate I want to reiterate that I'm not here to defend the intelligence community sure I'm not here to defend the government that's not what I'm here to do I'm not sipping for the CIA or something like that I'm just trying to tell everybody that I know that there are nefarious activities that have been happening behind the scenes based on the technology that we have derived from nonhuman intelligence it's being used to do terrible things and the good guys are trying to get it under control mic drop okay that's what I'm telling you and be careful that you are not not saying you guys be careful out there in cyberspace that you are not accusing falsely accusing these people when they are battling some of the most despicable and dangerous elements of human society you want to be on the right side of that battle not on the wrong side of that battle that's where I am okay I saw what they were doing in Peru to these villagers yeah I believe Michael Herrera's testimony and and I can tell you who the enemy is the people who are perpetrating this stuff and who are hiding this reality who want to keep the lid on this thing they're the enemy because when you allow this kind of stuff to proliferate in the shadows this monster is going to grow and we are complicit in some of this because we have turned a blind eye and now we have people saying hey guess what this is real there's no oversight hello american people and instead of turning a blind eye or grabbing your bump one of your bumper stickers and slapping it on there and pretending like you got this thing figured out I think we need to we need to just think deeply about this and make sure that we are on the right side of this battle outside of history yeah that's the fight that's happening at the congressional level we got a big movie come out this summer not as big as our book coming out sometimes here too that's for a giant but yeah that that that to come next doesn't ever end so that's for next time