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That's less than the price of a cup of coffee per month. So that's hostinger.com slash waveform. Promo code WAVFORM for an extra 20% off. This question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new question or organic light emitting diode. I knew that's what it was. Of course that's what it was. Oh no. I thought that's no way to Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the WAVFORM podcast. We are your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's Tech Timber, which means we have plenty to talk about. That's how it usually goes. Let's see. We've got the latest meta event and there's rumors like that popped up really quickly of a new touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro. So we can talk about that. Also some new YouTube features have been announced. We have more thoughts on the iPhone that we are currently reviewing, aka several of them and a Rivian e-bike. So we should start with actually you guys wanted to show me a video that I haven't seen yet. I did. I haven't seen it either. We keep getting tagged in this iPhone review video on everywhere and on our subreddit and I think on discord, but I just posted it in here for a good reason. For a good reason. Okay. So I only watched like the first two minutes, which is, I think all we should watch here, but the production quality is wild and everyone keeps comparing it to us since we're kind of known as the production quality team. I'll play it at the same time. So David can watch and I want you two to describe what's going on because the effects are pretty far out there. I'm gonna click it and the thumbnail is a man holding the phones out. Okay. He does a pan up and then it moves. It's definitely a robot shot and then he stands up. Now it's another robot shot. Oh, with like two screens showing 60 and 100 Hertz, 20 Hertz with like a ping pong ball going by it. Okay. And then an iPhone air that hits the ping pong ball to him. Oh, and then there's a magic trick to turn the ping pong ball into the orange iPhone. Now watch this. It's on like a spinning almost like animation dial with all the phones from the first to the end. Holy wait, that's cool. Geez. And then so he spins it and all the phones of all the generations slowly capture in on like the camera, the back, the Apple logo, the front screen and goes through all of them. And then the whole thing just explodes. Wow. And the iPhone 17 is floating in here. That looks crazy. That was crazy. That was really well done. How much of, yeah, a lot of this practice. They have the little rainbow thing. They've got that. Oh yeah, they do. Oh, that bezel expansion. I'll stop there. But like, yeah, they're making good use of the robot that they got. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, hold on. We can hear that like a lot. But yeah, this is really good. This is good for YouTube. I've not seen this channel yet. It is not English. So I may have to use auto translate or something to watch it. That will make sense later. We're going to talk more about live translate later. But yeah, that is, that is awesome. I love seeing that on YouTube, especially. Okay. New iPhones. Yeah, we're in our own studio. You guys have been using them now because the last time we talked, we were out at Apple and you had gotten the briefings, but we hadn't actually, right, like use them, use them, use them. Yeah. So I, I went to go put my SIM card in it and then there was no SIM card trace. So I swapped over my eSIM and then I started using it. Okay. I'm holding an iPhone air right now. Can you tell it's blue? No. No. You can't. I feel like, yeah, it's like snow leopard blue. That's a very good descriptor. Snow leopard means the animal? Yeah. Like it almost has like a cool tint or it's like, it's white, but you slid the tint slider. Exactly. Cause snow leopards are like, they're white, but there's like a, there's like a cast from the, the snow that makes them look a little bluey. Because the sky, I never heard that before. I'm totally on David's wavelength in this one. I think it's a great descriptor. No, it is, we're on today. This is maybe one and a half percent saturation. I think what David's basically saying is it's white, except that it looks like it's in a room that's blue. That's right. Yeah. If you held it outside, the sky would reflect blue on it slightly. That's how it is. It's white on this table and it looks kind of blue. And then I put it over here where it looks kind of blue and it looks white. So anyway, it's barely blue. Copyright. The number one question I've been getting, because I've been using the air, I think a lot of people who have been asking me about the phones have been asking me about the air. Should I get the air? I usually get the pro, but should I get the air this time? And so Apple did the thing where they put the pro chip in it and they have promotion and they're talking about the power of the pro, but in an ultra thin body. It is a really great phone to use in a vacuum, but it dies really fast. Unfortunately, I, and it's not in a vacuum. You have to compare it to other available phones and other available phones have better features like an ultra wide camera or a telephoto camera or a bigger, better battery. Are you taking a picture of me or a selfie? I'm just trying out the 2x. Like, the 2x camera. Yeah. So in general, I have been enjoying this phone and using it and it's very pretty and very fun to hold. And I've been using it with no case and it's super nice. But unfortunately, it has not lasted me a whole day yet. Oh, like at all? Not once. So your first couple of days you said were most likely because of just like it's setting up the phone and down the stuff, right? But so the first few days I had really bad, this always happens when I test new phones. It's like it's setting everything up. It's downloading on my offline media like it usually does. It's logging into all my apps and everything's opening for the first time ever. So it's not like normal use. I think the first day I had like an hour and a half screen on time with 20% battery. So that's obviously not how it's supposed to go. But now I've been like settling into it. Adaptive battery is on by default on all these phones. So it has been on on this phone. And now I'm getting up to the three and a half to four hours screen on time dead at the end of the day type usage, which is C minus D plus like not great levels of battery. And that also conveniently brings us to the accessories that like Apple's made it easy to charge this phone. It has MagSafe still and G2 and then I have that battery that they made for the air that you can pop it on the back, which brings it from the thinnest iPhone ever to the thickest iPhone ever. And then it charges it up roughly once. It's about the same size as the internal battery. I popped the Ridge battery bank on the back and that also did really well. That can charge it up two or three times, which is nice. But yeah, it's I found myself because I came from a pro and this will be some other people's experience too. I want to go take a picture or something. I want to go switch the ultra ride and there was none. Darn. I want to go watch a video that would have like nice stereo video and oh, there is no stereo audio. Darn. Oh, I want to like there's a bunch of things that you forget yeah that you don't have until you go to use. How does it sound with just a single is honestly fine and it's fine until you think about it. And then you realize the audio is only coming from one side. So if you watch a video in horizontal, all the audio comes from the left side or from the earpiece side. I want else to buy this just so he has to live in hell. I wish you guys could have been there when the iPhone 10 came out and me and all my audio friends were just turning our phones to the side and hearing it in stereo and being like, this is this is the crazy life. Can't get we had that on Android. We had the boom sound. We got that boom sound was pretty pretty elite boom, boom, boom, pretty elite. Yeah, I would say so I'm like a piece. I'm basically looking through this this phone. I'm looking at this phone through the lens of what phone are you coming from because if you're coming from a phone with more features, you're going to miss some stuff. But if you're coming from an older phone with less features, you might be cool with it. It would have to be a much older phone. I'm thinking like 12 and 13. Like if you have a let's say a 12 mini for example, I don't know anyone that still has a 12. Well, just put the hypotheticals just like think of a person who happened to stumble into the trap and buy a 12 mini. So they already have horrible battery life. Yeah, they already have a single camera if they were real or no, you have dual cameras. So you have dual cameras to yeah, they already have a small screen. It's 60 Hertz and they're they don't have a whole ton of like like big speakers or huge pro power chip or anything like that. If they move directly to the iPhone air, they will think, whoa, my battery is better screen. Battery life is a little better. Promotion 120 Hertz, they'll be missing one of your cameras, but they'll have way more power. They'll have a smoother phone and they'll feel like it's an upgrade. We could still hypothetically do a battery percentage segment every week. Hypothetically, of course. Of course, does the phone get really hot? That's one of the things I was thinking about. So in my normal bursty everyday use, no, I plan to do a test today to see if like long term heavy use, which is the thing that the vapor chamber and the pros is supposed to keep cool if that makes this phone hot. But I have not tested that yet. That is a good question. I will know the answer by the end of today. So hypothetically, this, you know, hypothetical 12 mini user would also be like, oh, this phone's not really hot all the time. Yeah, potentially. Yeah, I mean, I just my current battery is it's 11am. I'm at 89%. That's that's about as good of a morning as I've had with this. That's pretty good because I'm at 90% and I charged my phone in the car today. Yeah. So I'm at Pro Max. I'm at 79, but I woke up at 82. So we plugged in when you came into work today. Nope. Okay. Yeah, I woke up with 100 at 730. So lightweight use, but that's with only how much I did carplay on the screen off the whole time. So I've only had 32 minutes of screen on time. So multiply that by 10. That's like three and a half hours. Yeah. Ellis, what's your battery life right now? Hypothetically, hypothetically, if you were to have a 12 mini. Wait, your 12 mini matches your LaCroix. That's the most Ellis thing that's ever happened on the podcast. Come now. Yeah, what's your battery? Is it better than Marquez's? I'm guessing. What was my what did you say yours was 89? Dude, what do you think? I think it's probably lower. I think it's having a good day. It's 68 exactly. Is it really? Yeah. It's like the ideal temperature. Okay. So we can now talk about at Apple Park, they brought us through a bunch of demos and one of the demos was that they were putting a bunch of pressure on the iPhone air. They have this pressure chamber thing where they have this weight that they, that presses on the center of it and it puts all this force on it. And they made the air still have a titanium frame because they want it to be able to snap back to its like original position. Yeah. Whereas I believe aluminum is a little softer. So they showed us all these demos and it made it seem like it was going to be stable. Has that felt concerning to you at all? Because I mean, you're probably not the target demographic, but a lot of women put these phones in their back pockets. Yes. They're sitting on them all the time and just kind of crunching them. What are your feelings on that? So I'll give my official Jerry everything prediction. Yeah. Everyone's waiting for this on Wednesday. Everyone's waiting for this. That video is going to get 10 million views. No matter what happens. Yeah. Zach tries to bend every phone fairly. He tries really hard. Oh, sorry. It's Thursday. It's Thursday as we record this. So he hasn't bent or tried to bend the area yet. But yeah, Apple first, they had us try to bend something ourselves and it was measuring how much force we put through the phone. And the most I saw anyone put through it was a little over 85 pounds of force. And they said, that's you trying as hard as you can to bend something. You put 85 pounds of force through your hands to try to bend it. So then they put it on that machine and they put 130 pounds of force through the middle and like a really small concentrated area, your butt sitting on a phone is not the same as a small concentrated area, putting 130 pounds through the middle. But let's say you really, really tried and you put 130 pounds through the phone, it did start to bend. Then they released the pressure and the titanium frame bent back to flat. Yeah. And I've watched a couple of interviews and a couple of instances of Apple executives talking about this phone when they get cornered and pressured and asked about it bending, they seem to always suggest it'll bend back. It'll go back to flat. So even if you put a ton of pressure through the phone, it'll go back to flat. So my prediction is Zach will on camera get the phone to visibly bend enough for a thumbnail, but it will bend back to flat. And that's what will happen. I don't worry about sitting on the phone and actually bending it in half. I have sat on it two or three times, but not on like a hard surface. So I haven't been at risk of bending it yet, but I suspect it's actually fine because Apple has lots of engineers that have thought many, many, many, many, many hours about this because this phone's number one concern is bending. I think the most impressive part about one of those interviews was when I think it was Jaws threw it to someone from like Tom's hardware and he just doesn't catch it and it slams like face down on the table next to him. Cause he's like, try and bend it and just slams the table. And that part of it being fine was kind of impressive. You know, it's ceramic shield too on the front and the back and Apple did have a slide in the keynote that said this was the most durable iPhone ever. They actually said that. I'm assuming it will be the most durable because it will also be the least repairable if I had to guess. That's a great question. I also have not seen any iFixit or teardowns or anything of this phone yet. It is rearranged on the inside and a lot of components are up in the top now and the most, most of the bottom is better easier. Yeah. Well, and that, so that begs the question and the, in the words of Mark Anthony, I need to know, I need to know. Tell me baby Marquez cause I need to know. Wow. I really appreciate that reference. You're welcome. Good job. Is this worth the trade off of it being a little bit thinner? This is like, how do you feel about, what is the, is the thinness, you're losing all this stuff. Yeah. How do you feel about overall? There's this phrase called the honeymoon period. Yeah. Right. I know it well. Okay. So, so in the world of larger and larger objects, when you make it thinner, you appreciate that thinness or that, that size improvement more. So you could go as large as like appliances or cars or whatever. But even in like a laptop, when you go from a really thick laptop to a really thin laptop, you can appreciate that for a long time. And I think the smaller and thinner the object is, the faster the honeymoon period goes away. And so with this phone, I've really admired and appreciated how pretty it is. It's very thin and it's cool to hold. And every time, you know, for the past day or so that I've had it in public, people are like, Oh, is that the air? And I'm like, Yeah, isn't it so pretty? And then like it dies at 6pm. And I'm like, Ah, I don't really care about it being thin anymore. Like he really very quickly within a week or two are kind of over how thin it is, or you'll put a case on it, or you'll just just go back to using it like a regular phone. And so I think there will be people who buy it because it's really thin, and then they'll get over and it'll just be a normal phone. And they'll have to, the thing is, it's going to be like annoying in two or three years when a battery dies even faster, and you have to charge it even more often. That'll be kind of a bummer. But I think, yeah, the honeymoon period of wow, this phone's really pretty and slightly thinner than a regular iPhone. You kind of get over it pretty quickly. I think a very large percentage of the iPhone buying population just wants an iPhone. And so if they're able to get something that's nice and a little bit unique and pretty, they're going to buy that. Yeah, I'm not just the base 17. If they just want that phone. Because this is way prettier. This is cooler and it's not, it's now cheaper than the pro models. So like it is still a flashy, fun iPhone for non tech person, but you don't have to do pro max anymore. It's a way to get something different. And if you just want iOS because you want iMessage and you want FaceTime and you want, you know, all your apps, then there's going to be a lot of people that buy this one. This one doesn't come in green. That green is really good. Green is amazing. So we talked briefly about like the the vacuum of this phone. Like it's a pretty good phone, but then you compare it to other phones. And the base iPhone 17 being such a good deal. And then the pro iPhones, you know, this is the other thing when I review the pros, like this phone being so thin, I feel like gave the pro phones a green light to just do whatever they want. Go big, go thicker, do whatever, more better. They're reminiscent of the MacBook Pros. Yeah, aluminum, they're thicker. Yeah. Yeah. So I think in the latter now of Apple products of like base iPhone and then air and then pro and then pro max, the weird thing is if you tell people to skip the air and you're like, Hey, you have a base phone, but you want a bigger screen, you have to go all the way to pro max, which is a pretty huge jump. Yeah. So I think there are people out there who see the base iPhone 17 and they're like, I want a bigger screen. And then I see the bigger screen is the air and I go, Oh, but that one is one camera, worse battery, single speaker, all these other things. I guess I have to go all the way to pro and they just walk themselves all the way up the ladder. I also have held that and like the screen size of 6.7 inches, right? This is 6.5. But it's a big, that's a really nice middle ground. It's a big screen. It feels like a nice middle ground. The 6.9 the pro max just is so freaking big. It's huge. I want something in between. Yeah. I think ultimately it's going to come down to a heart versus brain, right? It's like for your brain. Yeah, for a function, your brain is like the base iPhone has everything I could ever want and it's cheaper and it's technically better in every way. It's literally a better phone. But my heart, yeah, no, I think a lot of things for the air, I think a lot of iOS users use that. They're heart people. Yeah. It's that new, new weird to say. Yeah. It's that new, new. They are heart people. They Android people are like, give me the specs, baby. I mean, in Android land, it's so easy to just go, why would you ever buy? Yeah, of course. It's clearly not the phone to get. Of course. In brain land. In brain land. Because it's big brain time. Yeah. There's, there's spec people and then there's just like, I just want the new iPhone. What's the, what are the three items? And this is the prettiest new iPhone. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Fingerprint city. Some thoughts about the pro. I do like, I'm liking currently this could be the honeymoon period, the unibody aluminum chassis. Very into it. Because it feels a lot like an old HTC phone to me. Whoa. That color. I love those phones. Yeah. Or like end of the life. Exactly. Like holding the sides of it, holding like feeling the back. Like I just know what the feeling of cold aluminum feels like. It reminds me of that a lot. And so that, that's kind of just, it's a small thing, but it's, it's nice. I did like a couple of people that I've been hanging out with are like, they didn't even notice that this was the new one. And they're like, are they sending you the new one? And I'm like, the one right there, like right next to me. And they're like, Oh, can I see it? Can I see it? And I hand it to them and they're, they, they're scrolling around and they're like, Oh, it's the same. Yeah. It's an iPhone. I don't know what to tell you. And then they just hand it back and then they're over it. So I showed someone the plateau and I was like, check it out. They, they changed it. And they're like, Oh, I think though, can I see yours real quick? Just because I, okay. The Apple logo is much easier to see on this. The orange one, it feels kind of tough to see sometimes when the light's hitting the like glass back. I've also gotten pretty used to the look of the plateau on the pro. And I think it looks pretty good, pretty decent, small underrated thing. The, the way you hold your phone and the plateau on the back, I, for so many years on Android phones, I've been using it to hold the phone. And so it feels more natural to, to hold the phone with the plateau on the iPhone. Yeah. I like that about it. Definitely. Yeah. That's pretty much it though. I mean, the cameras, I'm glad they're all 48 megapixels. They told me that they have a re-engineered pipeline for the crop modes where they use the 12 megapixel in the center of the sensors. And then it should be much higher quality. Dave 2D put out a video about this and it looked much higher quality. He also did a bunch of camera samples versus the 16 pro. And the skin tones are way better. Like across the board. They looked very washed out on the 16 pros for the 17 pros. One thing I have noticed is a lot of my photos come out a little bit overexposed. And it sort of feels like because they make the sensors bigger every year, they just keep forgetting to like retool how much light is coming in versus how much they should process it. And so they're, everything is really bright. So just straight out of camera, no changes. Everything's a little overexposed for me right now, but I'm sure that'll be. You got to use camera control to dial in your look. Look, they put it on the top now. They're going to start calling this the visual intelligence button. Mark my words. Yeah. Cause they didn't. Or the button that never existed. Yeah. Just completely nix it and never speak of it. You should take bets on waveform on when that button goes away. It'll go away for sure. There's too many things on the side of this phone at this point. iPhone 18 is still there on the fold on this next 2026. It'll still be there next year. What about F19? Either 19 or 20. I think it's gone by 19. I would say 19. I would probably guess 19 also. Yeah. I'll go 18. All right. I think it's in forever. And you know what they'll do? They'll take it away and they'll be like, with that space, we may fit 50 more million hours of battery. That's exactly what they'll say. I would say that the front facing square sensor has been a hit for a lot of people. Yeah. I show that to some people and they're like, that's such a cool feature. That's amazing. Everyone should copy. Everyone should copy and they will. Yeah. Don't worry. Yeah. They will. Who's first to copy that? Yeah. Oppo moves fast. It's going to be like Huawei, Xiaomi Oppo. Yeah. Fair. Also, a new Apple rumor. And this came up on my timeline and it was just like immediately corroborated everywhere, which is next MacBook Pros will have touch screens. Oh, lead touch screens. Is it the pros? Yeah. Well, MacBook Pros. That's interesting. That is... And by next, you mean next year? Next year's MacBook Pros, like M5. Assuming if there is another one out this year. M5 or M6. Maybe M6, but it looks like next year we're expecting, because all the rumors are seeming to agree now, that there will be an OLED in-cell touchscreen MacBook Pro. On-cell. It's in-cell. On-cell. I said in-cell, meaning IN space cell. But on-space cell is the correct term. Got it. That's just the tech that incorporates the sensors in the top layer of the OLED. Yeah. I don't know if I want that. I know a lot of people who have been expecting it and asking it because of how powerful iPads have gotten and how much that experience seems to overlap with MacBook Pros. I use the touchpad, which is really great. And I don't think I... If they were able to develop some sort of anti-smudge technology to put on the display, because I used to use a lot of Surface Pro devices. I had a Surface Book. I was so hyped on the first Surface Book, and then I bought the two and I bought the three. And I really liked it for Photoshop, because being able to sort of just zoom in by pinching on the area you need is very handy in panning around the screen. I really liked that. But now that I use a MacBook Pro most of the time, the screen already gets so dirty that I'm like, do I need it to be even more dirty? And so, you know, I don't know. If it was just there as a feature, they'll probably figure out some interesting implementation of adding a touchscreen, like something that actually makes it better, I would hope. Yeah. The OS... Well, first of all, the OS has looked like it's been ripe for a touchscreen support for a little while now. Yeah. I will also throw in that I was very impressed with the nano-texture iPad, because it looks really good and it's a matte display. And it also seems to be durable enough and doesn't get a ton of fingerprints. So, if they can do something like that for the MacBook Pro, because my MacBook Pro is nano-texture, but doesn't seem to be as durable. It's a lot of fingerprints. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of fingerprints. I could definitely see, like, because there's the notification center where you can just, if you were just able to tap that with your thumb, it could be quicker. There's, I feel like if you use one for long enough, when I was using Surface stuff also, I didn't care. And then I slowly started realizing small times that I would use it. And then I came to my MacBook and I was just touching the screen all the time that nothing was happening. Yeah. It's really, even just like sitting right here sometimes, you can just, like, have your thumb and, like, swipe around on the page and, like, scroll for things on a plane or a train or something, that would be nice. Just reading articles. It's... It would... Yeah. And it's, there's nothing, it doesn't take away from the... That's true. Your regular experience. So, I feel like they should add it because it's a feature that doesn't hurt. I, when I was a teacher, I had a lot of students, and this actually happened to me on my first college or high school laptop, which had a, which a Windows with a touchscreen. And I don't think it's all happened to a MacBook. But when you said it doesn't take away, when that touchscreen breaks and you're trying to scroll, you know, move your cursor around the screen and it keeps jumping to random points. And then you have to go into the settings and disable the touchscreen while the cursor is going boing, boing, boing, boing, that, that is, that is, that is... Assuming you're someone who takes care of your computer, that hopefully won't happen. They say those are like school computers, right? Yeah, these were just like Windows laptops that cost under $2,000. So, they were destined to, destined to, I shouldn't say that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They really just need to make the touchpad accessible with the Apple Pencil. Like, at some point... That would actually be awesome. It's the size of a small walk-on tablet already. If they just gave it Apple Pencil support, then you wouldn't need to make it a touchscreen. I've tested many laptops with touchscreens over the past few years and I never use the touchscreen with my hands. Like all the service laptops, all these other laptops, I'm aware that I can do it. I just, the touch points are small enough that I just hit it with the cursor every time. Maybe I'm old school. I bet if you had it for long enough, I bet if this laptop had it and you were just using it every day, you would slowly start to find times where it's like, just a nice little extra thing. I really liked it in Photoshop. I used the touchscreen on my Asus ZenBook Fold 17. I think I got that right. The one last year. No, the one for like four years ago. I like that. It's the one that, that, that, that, it's sandwiches, it's own keyboard. It was like two years ago. And it has an easel. Yeah. So, I'm talking about, yeah. Oh, ZenBook. Yeah. That thing is kind of fun. I like that. And I, I actually use that with the touchscreen. Oh, that one. Yeah. It sucks. It's like the worst computer ever, but that's, that's like different. That's cause it's like not a computer. It's more like a folding tablet that has a, yeah, that runs Windows tablet that turns into it. Yeah. It's a tablet that runs Zoo Tycoon 2 because it still has DirectX support. Hell yeah. Okay. Well, I hope to see that eventually. We'll see. There, there are a lot of rumors of another Apple event happening in the next like number of months. In this article, they seem to think German and Quo both think the, the like base MacBook with the iPhone chip in it are going to come out Q4 2025. The 13-inch or whatever it is. That's the one I'm waiting for. Okay. It's going to be incredible. I need something super small in line. That'd be great. I alternate really. I'm always like, I need it Maximalist. Wait, I need the 16-inch. I hate that I sometimes have to edit on my laptop because if I didn't, I'd have such a thin and light laptop. Yeah. But for the one or two times every year that I need the power, I can't not have this. I'm really glad I switched from the 16 to 14. That will say that. I'm very glad about that. For those who were wondering on the podcast, I was very torn. I did the 14. No regrets. Interesting. Yeah. All right. Do we want to quickly talk about this made on YouTube event before we take it to break or how much do, should I limit how much I have to stay on this? They released 30 features. Can you name five speed run? I can, your five favorites. Sure. Speed run. Okay. So the TLDR is YouTube had their own event, which was kind of just like a tech event where they invited a bunch of people, a bunch of them were YouTube creators, but also a bunch of them were journalists. I happened to ride the line and be covering it also using the features. So it was cool to be there and they had executives on stage and they talked over 30 new features coming to YouTube. So basically new products for us to use and then demoed them and gave us a little how to on what they will do. And some of them are rolling out quickly. Some of them are rolling out later. Some of them are really cool. Some of them are absolutely useless to me and hopefully won't spell the end of humanity. Okay. So here's my, some of my favorites. Where is this going? Some of my favorites are dynamically inserted mid-roll ads. Could be very interesting. Please explain yourself because that sounds terrible. So right now on YouTube, there's a couple of different types of ads. There are the ad sense ads, like the pre-rolls and the post-rolls and the pop-up ads that you guys have seen on YouTube. And then there's also mid-roll ads, which is I'm watching YouTube video and then, boom, a mid-roll pops up and plays and then goes away and then comes back to the video, right? Those are all supported and have been around for a while. Then there are the ads that a creator will bake into the video themselves and it's burned in forever. It's like, hey, this video is brought to you by and that lives in the video forever. So as of right now, creators have only had one way to structure deals around that type of ad, which is you can pay me to get in front of my audience and it will live, no matter how many views this video gets, it will live in the video forever. Some people are like doing performance incentives or like number of views incentives or whatever, but basically it lives forever. This new dynamically inserted mid-roll feature will allow creators to have a burned in video ad that can go away or be replaced or moved to another video or be across their whole channel or whatever and have many more dynamic ways of structuring deals around that type of thing. You can be a mid-roll in my video for the first month and then it goes away. Interesting. Or you can be a mid-roll for the first year and then it goes away. And you're saying that's something that we would still record. It would still be Marquez doing the ad spot, correct? But it could be in and out. It's not baked into the video, it's baked into an ad site. Almost like podcasts. How we do it here. Exactly. We record our ads, but they're dynamically inserted and can't get changed. Yeah, exactly. This is so in the audio world with podcasts. When you hear a two-year-old podcast, but it has a one-week-old ad in it, that's what's happening is their entire catalog is getting dynamically inserted ads. And that's something you could theoretically do with YouTube videos with this feature. So that's pretty cool. That's a thing that will matter in the podcast world for us and probably in other main channel videos and we can try this stuff out. But that I think is really powerful. So that's on top of my list. Auto-dubbing with lip sync. This is really interesting. We know about auto-dubbing, which is AI making a voice that sounds kind of like my voice, but in different languages, it will also adjust my face in the video to look like it's saying the words in the different language. And I got a demo of it and it looked really good. I don't know how well this will work for different types of videos. I so bad want to see what the lips would do with the French dub. It just opens all the way. Yeah, that. So, you know, it's great for the demo that I got was just like a clean talking head video. So it's just a guy talking to a camera. So of course, it knows which mouth to move to make the language match. But how will it work if I'm cutting back and forth between bureau or if there's two people on camera? Does it know out of no idea how that works? Interesting. But it's cool. So that's another one. All right. Collaborations. You've seen a post on Instagram where both creators get, you know, publishing credit similar on YouTube. It will go to all the subscribers of one of the channels, but it will get recommended to the viewers of all of the channels involved in the collaboration. That's pretty cool. And is revenue based on who drove the traffic? I think revenue is split between the creators and or or I think also, I think this is something they're going to let you choose, but also you can choose who to share analytics of the video with. So you can share analytics with, if it's a brand partner collab, or if you want to share it with everyone who is a collab, everyone can see the analytics in their studio. So that's pretty cool. And then there's also things that we have already been testing like ABC, thumbnail and title testing and likeness detection, which I think I've described on here already. Have I not? Or I spaced out. Oh, likeness detection. So you know how there's the copyright ID system on YouTube where there's like hashes where YouTube auto detects like a part of a song and can go around and autonomously bring them to a hub for the copyright owner to do what they want with? Similar thing, but for AI recreations of my likeness. So YouTube has scanned my channel knows what my likeness is. And I have flipped into this tool on occasion and just scrolled through. It's mostly people reuploading my video. But if anyone ever made an AI recreation of my likeness, it would show up in here and I could take action. What about like commentary? Like if someone is is like showing a video and they're reacting to it and talking about that video. That's fine. That's like a weird like byproduct is those videos also show up in this tool because it's my likeness also. If you were to like flag it, do they get in trouble? That would be an abuse of the system. You should it's kind of like copyright copyright ID. Like you should not misuse this tool. Well, it will be aggregating all the Stern, you never use it. Yeah, would have something to say about well, you know, YouTube's supposed to be on top of that. But it's okay. It varies. All right. Then there are some also potential doomsday level features that, you know, they kind of it's YouTube and it's a product and it feels like they have to do this. But like Vio being baked into YouTube shorts, where now if you just if you give it access to your camera roll and give it like your last three videos in your camera roll, it will like make a short with a voiceover in whatever style you want of what's happening. So like you're doing this stuff on video and it's like commentating for you. Yeah. The example that gave was like you have six or seven videos of you following a recipe and making cookies and you tell it like here's the six videos and you go make this a video with Vio and it will go, hi, I'm making a video of me making these cookies. Step one is your voice. It's a generated voice. Yeah. I didn't love that. It's just so boring. Yeah. I don't know. Let's keep that and slop to the internet, my guys. The value proposition, the value prop was that this is like not really. This feels like one of those things where like there is no like best and accessibility feature. Like if somebody has a speech issue or something like that and they want to do cooking things, then have something else dub it for them is like you could pay someone to do that. It's just like robot voice on TikTok where like if you don't want to talk, you just have the voice do it. Yeah. It's just that without having to type the script. I really want to make videos, but I just hate making the video. What are you talking about? Yeah. We're democratizing. There's another video making process. So people who don't want to do it can do it. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. Some of these features really felt like I hope people don't use it. You know, are you seeing? No, sorry. Tim just posted this. Also shout out. We posted a bonus episode yesterday. That's really fun. It's Ellis and I pretty much talking live at the Apple event and then Marques and David come in at the end. Yeah. But Tim just saw it next to a trailer for Now You See Me Now You Don't and it looks like exactly the same. Next to groups of people. By the way, shout out to the Now You See Me movies. Those movies are really good. Shout out to all the people that came to talk to us while you're sitting on the Apple platform. Oh, also we have more views than the Now You See Me Now You Don't trailer. Very good. Okay. More world ending events. What's the next world ending event? You know, I think all of the AI generated stuff. Like there were, like you could give it some video and it would turn that into a song and then you could use, I don't know, I didn't pay too much. I kind of spaced out at the AI stuff. Like it didn't seem very useful. I would never use it, but maybe somebody will. This is like Mad Libs use of AI. It's just like put a bunch of verbs and nouns and then make an AI generator that does that. Yeah. But then that has some interesting features for live streamers as well. Obviously live streaming is huge. A lot of people are doing it on Twitch or like multi-platform. So they have some things where like it will auto generate shorts from highlights of your live stream. So a lot of people pay people to do that right now, but it will detect what the highlights are and make shorts for you based on that. You can also, you will be able to stream horizontally and vertically at the same time. So you're discoverable in the short speed, but then you're also doing a whole live stream, which is cool. Side by side ads and a stream. So you don't miss all the action, but you can do mid rolls without having stuff disappear. And then one maybe interesting one, maybe not, but we'll see is an assistant built into YouTube creator studio that's trained on all of your stuff and all of the analytics performance that you can ask for ideas for your next videos. They've done, didn't they kind of have that already? It was like a tab that would be like these could be some new and it was always just like it was called inspiration. It would give you clickable. Yeah. This one's a full on chatbot experience where you talk to it and you're like, can you summarize the comments on my last two videos and then you can ask it, what should I, what should I do in my next video and give me a title suggestion and you can chat with it and it'll talk to you through your, it is trained on just your channel, which could be cool. Maybe. I have a Google sheet of all of our like past episodes with all the stats and numbers and everything there. And in Google sheets, they've had this like little Gemini assistant thing. And it does have like some interesting prompts. It'll be like, do you want me to find the outliers of your top five best performing or worst performing episodes? And I'm like, sure. Yeah. And it does it. It's pretty cool. So like if they could bring that to YouTube studio, I wouldn't be mad at that. Yeah. I think that'd be cool. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see if it understands what I, what I ask it when I say tell me outliers from September of every year for the last 10 years and it has no idea what I'm asking. We'll see though. All right. But yeah, YouTube, lots of new features and lots of AI doomsday level slop. It's sick. Love the slop. All right. We should take your break. We are not sloped. That's not the transition we did. Sorry. I was reading the VO terms of service, you know, just things that little light reading. Guys, we talked about a rumor, a rumor about a MacBook, a rumor about a MacBook that has an OLED screen. This question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new question or organic light emitting diode. I knew that's what it was. Of course that's what it was. Oh no. I thought there's no way to find touch screen. You know, I knew it because during the bonus pod, we were talking about something and Ellis just started going at me about what does modem stand for in front of some guy never met before. I was like, this is just going to be one of those. That's my bad. That's really my bad. Okay. Okay. New question. Oh, okay. All right. So in the next section, we're going to be talking. I'm just not going to say anything. No, no, no, no one speak. In the next section, we're going to be talking about Facebook. So one point per founder, can you name the other founders besides Mark Z? Okay. Yeah, I'm ready. No, no, don't say it. No, don't say anything. No, Spider-Man. Think about who you think founded Facebook. Recall the faces and names of the book. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Framer. A website should help your business grow, not slow it down. 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Meta had an event where they announced all of the latest from their AI smart glasses lineup and the event itself was pretty brutal to watch. The products are actually kind of interesting. And what happened was I went out there to Menlo Park. I was just there yesterday as of the day of recording and I got demos of all the products. I got to try them. I got to form my own opinions on them. I had a lot of interesting thoughts and had some conversations as well with people who worked on them and I came away thinking, wow, they are really moving quickly on this stuff. We had that Orion demo less than a year ago and they were like, these are too expensive to ship, but this is what it could look like in the future. And now suddenly we're actually getting to buy for 799, Meta Ray-Ban display, which has a single really high res 5000 nit display on the right side with the wave guides and it will show things to you in the glasses that nobody else can see. And that's a real thing that's happening. I thought that was pretty fast. And then you watch the event and they, to their credit, tried to do a lot of live demos. That's really hard to do in general in the tech world, especially with new unreleased stuff and with this stuff, with all the Wi-Fi in the room and with the internet not being very good and with a buggy product in general. It was really, really tough to watch because it didn't work and they kept hammering it home and trying over and over again and it was clear that it was live to their credit, but it was very poorly demoed on stage. So I came away thinking the Delta and how I feel about the product with just my hands-on experience versus the event was colossal. So there's basically three new glasses products that we can go over. There's the Ray-Ban display, but there's also an Oakley collab called the Vanguard and then just the second gen of the Ray-Ban Metas. Probably easiest to just start there. You guys have seen the Ray-Ban Metas, right? Yeah. Do you guys like them? I think that they are more functional than people anticipated originally because the video quality is actually very good and people have used it for a lot of POV stuff. And I know a number of normies that actually use it for POV stuff. Sure. That's exactly what I was hoping you would say because the only thing people actually use these glasses for is the camera. The other thing you can use them for is to listen to music or talk to the Meta AI or have it look at your world and answer questions about your world or even be... If you have a visual impairment, it can be your eyes and describe what it's seeing. There's lots of other functionality, but the main thing that people use it for is POV because it's a camera on your face. It's fortunately only vertical video. Yeah. So the second generation of this gets longer battery life and gets a better camera, 3K videos up to 60 FPS. And it has a couple extra features like conversational focus mode, which as you're talking to someone will use the beamforming mics to boost the volume of that dialogue into your ears, which is cool. Which is nice. I think it's the coolest thing I think that they had at the whole freaking event. Yeah. Assuming you're in a loud scenario or even just for people who are hard of hearing. Like that is so clutch. Exactly. I will say my brain has trouble when I'm in a loud environment and I'm trying to talk to somebody, like distinguishing all the noises and I can get really overwhelmed pretty easily if there's like tons of different audio sources coming at me. So if it was easier to focus on one, I think that would help me. Did you get to test this? Yeah. I think that's the idea. Because I was going to say like I'm interested in the input lag between it and then like hearing the voice and hearing it through. It's not, they're not bone conduction, right? They're just speakers. They're just speakers. Kind of above the ear. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I think. They keep you right into your ear canal. Yeah. These are going to be the same price. They're going to look the same. They just have upgraded internals and we'll do that and have longer battery life. So that's all good. Those are available now. Those are right away. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Then they have the Oakley Vanguard collab, which is like even more sports focused version. They move the camera, which is still the new 3K camera to the middle between your eyes. And it's this Oakley like wrap around sunglasses look with a bunch of different colors. Yeah. They look kind of sick sometimes, I guess. And they have much improved microphones. So in much louder wind noise, it can still hear you say, hey, Metta, start a video or whatever for a video recording you're doing. It can still hear what's happening in front of you. It'll also do slow mo. It'll also do hyperlapse. Yeah. Yeah. They're stabilized also stabilization. IP67. So those are going to be 499, nine hours of battery life and available in October. Yeah. They also plug into Garmin. If you're a big Garmin person and they plug into Strava. That was my favorite feature about these. Yeah. Because a couple, I think two years ago we ran to Brooklyn half and we were planning to do a studio video on it. Yeah. And I remember every mile I was taking my phone out, recording myself with my friend and then by like mile nine, that's not where my head was. I forgot everything I was supposed to be recording. I was just trying not to die. So like if these glasses would just like automatically record every mile and then do a hyperlapse of it, that's really freaking one of the biggest features. It can take the run you're expecting you to do, record it at certain points in the run and you can also overlay your Garmin or Strava statistics on that video at those things. And instead it would even like pull it up and put them all together, I think. Which is yeah. It's basically doing everything for you for a whole run. It's got much louder speakers. So they're six decibels louder than the other Oakley glasses they launched like what six months ago they launched that other Oakley collab probably less four months ago or so. They have lights on the sides which can kind of help you keep on your pace target if you're during your data peripherals trying to stay to certain speed. They have nine hours of battery life. They put the control buttons underneath the arms of the glasses because they were thinking about people who run with hats or if they're biking, you know, you have a helmet and you don't want to be able to press it down. There's also another extra button. There's an action button that's customizable. So there's a capture button and then there's like a smaller button next to it that you can make it do slow mo or whatever action you want it to. Yeah. So I live in Brooklyn. I see people running constantly. I see people running with these Oakley wrap arounds constantly and I just know these are going to explode. I think these are going to be the best selling ones. These are going to be insane. They're $500. So they're expensive but they're cheaper than the Meta display which we'll get to shortly. And the fact that it plugs into all of the most popular running and exercise culture apps I think is a really big deal. This feels like new GoPro to me right now. Like the thing that you buy because you think what you're doing is super interesting and you want to get a bunch of recordings of it. Hey, GoPro was wildly successful with this. Yeah. And like show a bunch of people who are insane athletes. I mean, they literally use Red Bull athletes in there which feels about as synonymous as go pros you can get in terms of like capturing extreme sports. But I think a lot of people are going to buy these because of stuff like that and then probably just have them as sunglasses later that plays music because they realize they don't want to record everything. Yeah. So the camera has a 122 degree field of view. It can do 3K video for three minutes. It can do 1080p 60 for three minutes. It can do 1080p 30 for five minutes and then 720p 120fps slow motion which is interesting. Yeah. I mean, on your note of the GoPro, this is a much, I would way rather just wear glasses while I was like snowboarding that I already needed to wear because it's super bright out versus like strapping something to my chest. Yeah. It's a lot easier. It automatically syncs so it can automatically upload the video to like your Strava when you finish your exercise. Yeah. I think there's going to be very, very popular and there's a lot of features in here that I didn't expect that I think are actually very useful. Yeah. So to me, this really confirms that one of the best uses for it is the camera that's on your face. Yeah. Because there's so much built around it and how it works now. Did you catch, we already talked about how like two live demos went wrong, but I'm convinced the third one did that wrapped up this whole event which was Mark saying, we have one more live demo comes out with Diplo to go for a run. Yeah. To the after party and he like puts the sunglasses on, they wave to everyone, they leave and then he's getting in this group with a bunch of other runners. Also, Hella was there. Shout out Hella. Nice. Great guy. He was part of this, the video for this anyways. And then Mark just takes the glasses off and like flips them upside down and looks at them a couple of times and then they all just run with like a camera on a car following them. I'm convinced it was supposed to be like the walk-in. Supposed to have the overlay maybe? Well, no, remember the walk-in we saw from his point of view when he came onto the stage? I think he was supposed to leave similar to that. Like running. And we were supposed to get a feed of the glasses, but the Wi-Fi again, they have Wi-Fi screwing everything up. Yeah. We keep mentioning Wi-Fi because a lot of the live demos failed for anyone who didn't see those. Yeah. And he pointed on the Wi-Fi. It was like, I was waiting for him to just... It was not a Wi-Fi problem. I was waiting for him to yell at everyone like Steve Jobs and say, get off your computer so we can make this work. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that brings us to the last of the products, which is the $800 full-on meta Ray-Ban display. Not the most clever name, but what's happening here is there is now a single monocular display on the right-hand side that's just off center of your field of view and is really bright and will show you things. And before we get into that, I want to totally unrelated mention that Samsung just started showing ads on all of its refrigerators. Totally unrelated. Unrelated? Totally unrelated. Anyway, we can talk about the display in front of your eyes at 24-7 now. Hopefully there's no ads coming to this. But yeah, so if the main use of the meta Ray-Bans was having a camera on your face and being able to talk to AI, then this, I think, became interesting because it unlocks a bunch of other way bigger capabilities than just the regular ones. So number one probably is being able to frame your photos and videos because you have the viewfinder so you can really line up and actually frame your shot. And see it after you take it. And see it after you take it. But then the other interesting thing is there's a control band that is paired with these glasses. It's the little AMG band that's on your wrist that we showed from the meta Orion demo. They're calling it the meta neural band. Yeah, and it's all, it's productized now. It's nice and fabric-y and has like a magnetic strap and like slaps onto the back of your wrist. And that can read all of the neurons firing through your wrist and all the gestures that you're doing to control the UI in this like display that you see. So you can do things like open up a map, navigate somewhere, and see the navigation instructions with a live moving compass to know where you should turn next. Can I ask a very specific question that's based on how you described that that our viewers can't see? You were describing it and you were looking up. All the demos made it feel like it's kind of bottom right corner to me. Where, like, where is it in your vision? Down and to the right a little bit. And what was really interesting, remember Orion, you could like, I could look at you and see that you're looking at something because it was like lights were on. It's not a hint of that at all. Really? Absolutely no light leak. I can see that's crazy. But this is also specific where Orion was full field of view, like in front of you too. Totally. So yeah, different tech, double versus single lens. But that was still cool that I could be reading something and you would never know. Another thing you can do, live transcribe or live translate whoever's talking to you. That seems very helpful. Super, super interesting and potentially useful. I could be talking to you and again, a loud room and it would use the beam forming mics to understand that I'm looking at the person in front of me and to put the text, the subtext from what that person is saying on the glasses. So it could be super loud and they, I did a demo of this and it worked very, very well. And then I turned around and a different person talked to me in this loud room and it stopped listening to that person and started subtitling the person in front of me. And didn't listen to my voice because it's obviously coming from me. So that's really cool. The translation part could also be awesome. I think that was cool. This seems like to me the better way of doing that versus the like delayed audio coming back at you because you just got subtitles, but this is something to have a full conversation. Both parties need to have. Yeah, if it was two different languages. Well, yeah, presumably you would be doing it in two different, right? Like if I can't, if I don't understand Spanish, I'm probably not going to read it and then speak it back. Yeah, the subtitles were also for English. Like you can just use them for your own language. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's nice. Yeah, which is cool. It would be really nice to travel through another country with this because it would just be a lot easier to understand people. Understand, but then you can't communicate back. You still got to do the just hand gestures and stuff. I just want this for my everyday life. Put the glasses on. Take glasses back. I already watch all my movies with subtitles. So why not? Really? Could I watch a movie and it could put the subtitles but slightly below the TV screen. So now the subtitles are in the TV. Yeah. So deconstructed. It's all the rage right now. Yeah. Okay, you can also view your messages. You can take video calls, which they tried to do a demo of on stage that did not work, but I got one to work. How did that feel? So again, it's a small bottom right hand, not corner, but lower right hand area of your glasses view, but it's color. It's decently sharp. It's legible. And if I turn my camera on, the person on the other side of the call can see what I'm seeing. So I did do a video call. It worked. You can text, which is pretty good with your voice, but I also did a demo of the handwriting. Yeah. Unbelievably good. Yeah. So this demo actually did work live on stage really quickly and really accurately. And effectively what it looked like was you had the band on and you just write as if you have a pencil in your hand and it knows exactly what you're writing. Quickly and accurately. Shockingly so. I could be texting someone like this with my hand in my lap and you would never know. And every single letter I'm writing, I'm just literally writing the letter in plain English. How's your handwriting? Fine, I think. Oh, you think your hand is bad? Yeah. That's a good test. We should do a handwriting test version, but yes. Wow. I picked it up super quickly. It's not using the camera feed at all. It's just using the neural insight. That's crazy. That I was shocked by how good that demo was. Like how good that tech has gotten in the years since we tried it on the Ryan. Can you only message through WhatsApp? Because I know you can only do the video calls through WhatsApp. Yeah. So okay, here's the downside to this. I don't know anyone that uses WhatsApp. This is a meta product and it is a new platform that does use your phone to connect to the internet, but does sort of exist in a separate world where you're not really taking your phone out of your pocket. So the philosophy is it needs all of its own first party actions. If you're messaging someone, it is through WhatsApp because meta owns WhatsApp. If you are scrolling through social media, it is Instagram because they could just built in Instagram feeds. The music, they have a partnership with Spotify. So it was doing it through that. The maps were mapping services that they built in. Oh, right. So they, it's not Google Maps. This is data that they've borrowed that is probably not going to be super real time and probably not going to have great traffic data or anything like that, but they have a map service built in. And so they have all of this stuff built on platform and ideally, that's the stuff you use. But I don't necessarily get people into this like magical meta ecosystem. I don't, I think it's kind of, it kind of feels like they're trying to force you into using meta services, but it also, I think by design has to have its own stuff. Like if you rely on the phone, but the phone manufacturers will never give you full like API access to use, you know, iMessage or like data from all of the stuff going into the phone. You have to build stuff that doesn't depend on the phone. So they just have their own services. It's frustrating. It's fair, but as a consumer, you basically just told me I can't text message or video call on it. Yeah, that's what's happening. And I don't feel like, I mean, we're in America. Yeah, this will be popular in Europe, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to text people or video chat people, it will be with WhatsApp. Yeah. So that's a bummer here, but a lot of people listen to this are like, great, I use WhatsApp. So all this stuff because of the display is much more useful. I think the maps are super useful. I think the viewfinder is super useful. I think live translation and transcriptions of subtitling the world is super useful. And all of that is enabled by having a little display component to this, which is really cool. Can you give me a size approximation between like regular meta Ray bands, which are already a little thicker than Ray bands and like Orion's that we try to split the difference, I think. Split it. They are definitely thicker than regular meta Ray bands. That still seems too thick for everyday use. Impressive that it fit in there. I'll still say that about Orion. Very impressive. Too thick for everyday glasses. Yeah. I was wearing them for a couple hours when I was doing my demos and shooting on my footage and they're plastic and I found myself, they were definitely weighted very well, but they're also, they're 69 grams. And yep, that's what I said. And they're just a little too heavy for me to wear them and not think about them. I can wear the basic Ray bands and not think about them. Yeah. These just have a little bit extra compute, a little bit more with the projector and the wave guide and all that. And it's just a little too heavy. They, unfortunately also mentioned you can watch Instagram reels on them. And yeah, that's how you know we're headed down to dark path. So you remember the Wally clip? We've also seen the Wally clip. Yeah. You can literally sit back and do have the gesture with the EMG wristband and just... Mark has opened your mouth just a little farther. Yeah. And you can just be in your own world and no one can see that that's what you're doing. You look like a guy spaced out with his glasses on looking at the sky, but you are flipping through and actively watching Instagram. And all the clips are generated with VO3. I wasn't sure. I haven't made this video yet, but I wasn't sure if that's how I want to intro or exit this video. Are you like genuinely? Are you okay? Are you okay with, because when I was on Metacampus, lots of people wearing thick frame glasses everywhere. And I just instinctively was like, you guys are all wearing cameras on your faces. Yeah. Are you cool with having a conversation with someone and seeing their eyes drift a little bit to the side and not knowing if they are watching something, reading something or if they got an ad. If they got a call. Like what is, what are they looking at? Are you cool with that? I already get anxious enough with my phone buzzing in my pocket when I'm out with friends. I don't need notifications coming in the side of, I mean, if I ever use these, I'm going to turn everything off. Is this worse than checking your smartwatch in the middle of a conversation? That was the argument, is that yes, it's better. Because it's better if the other person does know. I don't want to not know. Because I can be like, sorry, I should check something real quick. I guess it's from both sides. Like from the other person's side, if you see me pull my phone in my pocket and check it or look at my smartwatch, that is worse than if I'm like having a conversation with you and it looks like I'm kind of looking at you, but I'm actually in reading. It's the same as trauma from my mother. I don't need that. I don't need more of that, Mark. It's the same. It's just less of a chance they notice. So that's just like, I think that's just as bad. You might just get away with it. There was a lot of lines in the keynote and from Zuck and from Baz and just about like being more present and not taking your phone out all the time. And there are maybe valid instances of that, like, oh, you're on a hike and you see this really pretty view off the side of the mountain. Do you take your phone out of your bag and take a picture or do you just boop and move on? Or like for maps, I get that. Or for maps. I think they're cool. I think there's plenty of reasons that this is neat. Yeah, but Instagram reels. Yeah, so if the, yeah, exactly. The pitch is being more present, but you can easily be way less present. Right. So it's double-sided. Isn't that how everything is sold to us though? And that's the financial incentive of Meta, right? Like their whole business model is based on engagement. So the more time you can spend scrolling while being present, it works. Every tech company that tells you this is how we make you more present is just trying to sell you things so they can make you way less present in everything. Well, it's also like Meta has tried to make a phone before. Like we can't skip over that smartphones are dominant and they tried to make phones. Yeah. And that's failed several times. Now they're moving on and they've renamed themselves Meta and they're very concerned with the Metaverse and they want this next technology to be post phone. Yeah. And the only way to do that is to sell you on this being better than your phone and slowly weaning you off your phone. They'll never replace the phone. Maybe someday. Maybe you'll move on. But yeah, not everything that it can do is in their own little ecosystem. I was going to ask, did they say anything about opening it up to app developers? Opening what up? The glasses. Like the glass. Being able to video call with other services. Like the first iPhone didn't have an app store, right? So it was all things operate and then when the app store hit, it was like a big explosion. Are there plans for that with this? You know, I had some conversations and I'm probably, maybe we can pull that in with Baz where he talked about like the first few generations of it have to be first party. And then once you've gotten people to embrace the platform, then you can start like adding other things. So hearing that sounds like, yes, they plan on having other apps and having APIs and things where developers can make cool stuff for the glasses, but they know they need to have their own first party stuff working and useful out the box like the first gen iPhone. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess Meta wanted to make the metaverse and be the next generation of the internet, but that totally failed. So now we can be this. They opened this. Our goal is to build great looking glasses that deliver personal super intelligence and a feeling of presence using realistic holograms and these ideas combined or what we call them. They haven't forgotten. Okay, so I forgot. The metaverse. Zuck just rebranded the metaverse because they changed their company name to meta and they need to make it work still. So I had to write that down. When I heard it, I was like, I need to write that down. I'm like, that's not what you said the metaverse was two years ago. 10 years later, like we're making an e-scooter and it's the metaverse. This whole time we knew. Yeah. Um, adds on your fridge. So yeah, I am interested to try these out. These are going to be $800, which is a lot of money. I mean, $800 expensive. It's a whole phone. It's very expensive. It's an iPhone. iPhone Air. Well, the Air is a thousand. It's an iPhone. It's an iPhone 17. 17. But, uh, it is augmented by your phone. So it uses your phone to get connection. It's definitely a loss later device. Like they're probably losing money on this. Yeah, but they want to get it at least on us. I mean, no, they're losing money on the hardware, but they're, they're, they're, dude, the, if you can scroll Instagram reels on that thing, dude, like think about how, and then also just like think about how much data they could collect. Yeah. With, with, I know. And especially once they ship the, the EMG bracelet, dude. Yeah. Well, the EMG bracelet comes with it. Yeah. Oh, they're, they're bundled. Ships with it. Yeah. It's like, okay. Well, I read the press release. It said not for sale, but I guess that meant individually. Like it does come with the, yeah, bro. Like think about, think about when you're on Instagram. I don't know. Yeah. I know. This is going to be like a cash cow for them, assuming people actually adopt it. This is why I removed all the social media from my phone before this happened. Okay. So they get up to six hours of mixed use battery life or 30 hours with the charging case, which is collapsible. That was cool. Yeah. It's like a little origami foldable. I'm sorry, just that the case is fire. It is incredible. So the case has battery in it that charges the glasses. Yes. And it gets it up to 30 hours. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Isn't that sick? Yeah. The case is five X battery charge and also folds flat in one second flat. That's crazy. It's kind of awesome. It's pretty sweet. I have footage of me folding it like in my, on my first try and I was like, this is the greatest case ever. Yeah. It's pretty sick. It is interesting. I think META is the company that is going to be able to like advance this category faster just because they're more invested in it because it's like their whole thing now. Google would make more sense from an app ecosystem perspective, also Apple, but it's going to take them a lot longer. It's not their priority. Yeah. META has to make this their thing. Yeah. META has to make it their thing and be kind of first and flashy with it. I'm hyped for like the third version of this or the fourth where it's regular glasses and like a ring, like a ring instead of a wristband. Yeah. I think the wristband is the specific tech because it's also a little bit fashion or they make a smart watch. It's a piece of tech that you're wearing. They can make a smart watch that has the thing built in. Maybe, but I think they've been developing it specifically around the wrist for so long that I think it has to be the wrist, but I talked to them again. I was like, okay, so this is a piece of tech that people have to wear on their face and on their body. It has to be considered in some way fashion. Like you have to make it look good and presentable and they've done a good job of that. I think when you guys see the band, yeah, looks pretty. META brought back the 90s. We now have slap bracelets and transition lenses again. Oh yeah. These are also transition lenses, by the way, which yeah, unfortunately, it's one of those things where you try to do two things. If you try to do two things in one device, it does both of them badly. Yeah. The transition lenses on these Meta glasses are not very good. I don't know. The transitions on my Meta Ray bands right now are pretty good. Are they? They're never good sunglasses, but they're really good clear. Right. I think that means they're bad. They're bad at transitioning. Sunglasses though? Oh yeah. Well, I guess they're bad at the thing that protects your eyes. Yeah, wait, if they're good at being clear, that means they're good at doing nothing. No, I guess a two and one is usually bad at both. You're saying they're good at being clear, but they're actually good at being sunglasses, but are bad at being sunglasses. At least there's something. Yeah, I'm curious who ends up purchasing these, but yeah. You're going to review all of them? What is the plan? I think I would like to use the Vanguard for recording POV, either Frisbee, but also autofocus for driving. You want to jump off a mountain? Maybe yeah, maybe action, sports, GoPro stuff, the type that you'd like, you know, put an action camera on your chest, your forehead for that type of stuff. And then I think I'm going to keep waiting as far as smart glasses, because I think based on how much I use their services, the Google one will be better for me. If it's the Android XR experience where it's like plugged into your Android phone, this is the advantage of Google. They have a smartphone operating system, they can make it plug in. And all the apps will just work. Yeah, it's going to work better with the stuff that's on your phone, and I think that's going to work better for me. So instead of trying to shoehorn my life into WhatsApp and... Like really test it? Yeah, I think it would be. I think the Google one's going to be better for me, but it's not out yet. So let's see. Daddy to Google can have my data instead of Daddy Metta. I mean, they already have all my data. Yeah, that's a lot of smarts, but that's a lot of data. I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Exactly. Well, speaking of smarts, trivia. Thank you. Thanks. That was good. Thank you very much, better than my previous one. Side note before, Ellis tells this very great question. My favorite part of the bonus episode was when we came back with a guest and Ellis just stared at the camera for like five full seconds. For audio listeners, that's probably going to be confusing. Yeah, it's definitely confusing, but editing it, I was cracking up. So definitely go watch that anyway. Can we give that a proper announcement? If you're on YouTube... Yeah, in the beginning. Yeah, we did. Where was I? Oh, whatever. Who cares? Where were we? Guys, I have a new trivia question, which it's always really, really, really hard to write trivia questions about Metta, because every single piece of like historical, you know, list about Metta is just hundreds of pages of lawsuits. But when you weave through the lawsuits, you can find some really interesting stuff. For example, the stuff that forms this question, which of the following two Metta products was shut down? First, these are former Metta products. Product one is called Lasso. I've never heard of this. It was a TikTok competitor, a vertical video sort of thing aimed at teenagers. Shocker. The second... That's Lasso. It's horrible. And it's called Lasso. Yeah, to rope them in. Rope them in. Not trans-transfer at all. I can't be real. No, these are both real. Our next product is called Brain Damage. The next one is called Libra. It was renamed Diem at a certain point. This is a Facebook cryptocurrency that the US government and the EU and the Swedish government or the Swiss government all said, no. So which one of these was shut down in an earlier year? I am not asking for which one lasted longer. I am asking the shut down year of each of these, which one was first. If Waveform just had one collective no to any technology company every once a year. What do you mean? You're just saying like they all... Oh, we got to say... We just got to say no to something. Like the power of these people is to be like, no, you can't do that. Waveform should get one collective. That should be a part of the Waveform Awards. That's good. Like our no of the year. 23 and me. Anyway, we'll be right back. Private equity. Support for the show comes from Odoo. There is an endless supply of software out there that promises to streamline your workflow. 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In fact, RJ kind of confirmed but not confirmed it on a Daniel Tosh podcast episode, which is a good listen if you haven't listened to it. It's pretty funny. It's a weird mix of words. It was a weird mix of words. But it is the 90s. Micah Toll from Electric just went through one of the teaser videos. I think on Instagram, because I can't find this teaser video, but apparently the new company named also that just claims they were making a new electric vehicle of some sort. They posted this teaser where a bunch of people are riding around on the new e-bike but has this big blur on it, so you can't see what it looks like at all. Well, Micah went on one frame by frame, and there's multiple frames where they just missed blurring the bike completely. So now we have the bike. Here it is. It's silly looking. It looks like those compact bikes that fold up where the wheels are very small and you ride a bit higher off of them. This better have amazing specs because I've seen so many e-bikes that are designed to look like they're not e-bikes, so they have a pretty compact battery in the post that are pretty hidden. So it just looks like a normal bike. This does not look like a normal bike. Why is there a man in a penguin suit? Let's go. I think the whole video I think was very whimsical about things, but it is very funny that we're just looking at a leak of a man in a penguin suit holding a bike. On a tennis court. Yeah. This has got a huge box. It's got a huge box by the pedals. It also has these cargo rails and a basket on the back. Nothing about the screams I fold up except for the fact that it looks like those types of bikes. Doesn't it really feel like a Rivian product to me? Technically, it's not, although RJ is leading also and they have investment from Rivian. So it's pretty much a Rivian product, but it's not technically a Rivian product. This is a bad tech company name on the same level that OnePlus is a bad tech company name. It's not great. Every time you try to use it in a sentence, it's confusing. But it's going to slap as a podcast title one week. But OnePlus sounds like you're about to say something and then you don't say the rest. And so does also. Yeah. Like when you say, oh, there's this company also that has a bike. What? What company? Also, also files for bankruptcy. Also. Yeah. Yeah. But this, does this not kind of yell bigger version of boosted scooter fiasco of like, we've got something really good going for us. Let's make something that. Do you remember the boosted scooter? Remember the boosted scooter? I remember the boosted scooter. It was very, it was. It was hard core. It was just like what took them down. Way too intense, way too expensive. And in a category that had plenty of others, like there are so many e-bikes right now. And it broke the finger of a verge reporter as well. That's as long as this bike doesn't break any fingers. So here's reporters, maybe it'll be fine. I don't know. It scares me a little bit because there's always grumblings here and there of Rivian. Like, do they have enough to make it through? Are they going to stay alive? Blah, blah, blah. And I really want my R2. So if a freaking e-bike ruins my chance at the R2, I'm going to be very upset. I want the R3, man. I just want that cross track. It looks so sick. It feels like they got a good thing going for them. And this feels like a very crowded space. Yeah, there's a lot of e-bike companies. There are a lot of e-bikes. There's a lot of e-bike companies. There's probably a lot of cities trying to find ways to tone down e-bikes because they're kind of the scourge of some cities. The way people drive them through like. Yeah, I mean scooters used to be that too. Yeah. New York, we have City Bike, which is in the lift app. But City, the bank, it's capitalism. But now they're replacing all of them with motorized ones. All of them? They're trying to replace all of them. All of them? Yeah, which honestly, I think they should because the regular ones are so heavy that it feels like it takes more energy to pump the wheels than it does to it. It's like, I could walk. I would assume a large company would regulate them properly because isn't there like a speed limit on what they're supposed to be able to do? Like 20 miles an hour or 25. They work great. Yeah. What? They work great. They're great. City Bike is a beloved program. Yeah, no, people love it. I'm saying City Bike, when they do e-bikes, would probably follow the regulations where there's lots of other people in the city who are buying e-bikes that are going way faster than they should. Yes. And then also the City Bike e-bikes are not the throttle e-bikes. They're the assistive. They're pedal assist. Yeah. There are also a number of e-bike companies that are basically just motorcycles and they get around, they say that they're e-bikes because they have pedals, but they are still able to go 50 miles an hour. They say you need a motorcycle license to do it, but they will let you unlock it anyway. Yeah, there's a lot of weird loopholes. I always remember those scooters coming out and they always had a 24-mile-an-hour top speed, because technically if you hit 25, they would change categories or something. Yeah. 24 on a scooter is fast enough to kill yourself. But the boosted could go, it hit 24 and you're like, oh, this is limited to 24. Yeah. All of these things would work if we built roads for them. Solar freaking roadways. Yeah, and we're, oh, obviously, yeah, don't ever get on anything without a helmet, please. Bike lanes are. I mean, they do, but if, you know, think about how much, also, you know, think about how mad car drivers get about bike lanes all the time, you know. Yeah. Well, it's not mad, it is an easy parking spot. Jeez. I am joking, please. I am. Welcome to New York. Welcome to Sarcasm. This is very welcome to New York. Yeah. Okay, anyway, last little story before we do trivia. This is just a really quick hit. Nothing have released the EAR3, which is their earbuds, and the case has a quote-unquote super mic on it, which has a giant mic button that you're supposed to talk into. And I think that their mindset with this was sort of how all the TikTokers have the wired ear pods that they sort of talk into now, and they also have like the mics that the clip mics that they talk into, and it's supposed to look like low quality and fun. And I will admit that, you know, usually the earbud mics are pretty horrible because they're not close enough to your mouth, and they're pointing the wrong direction and all of these things. And this is supposed to be better. Some preliminary testing from Don Preston at the Verge said it was not that much better. It's interesting. Unfortunately. There are also some big problems with this, like the fact that it can only do it for calls, voice notes, and memos in the essential space, but currently you cannot record audio from the cameras of your phone through it because apparently Android and iOS do not give access to that. See? Yeah, it uses the primary mic only. And that primary mic can change if you have something plugged into like the USB-C port, but because it's a wireless device, apparently it cannot take over the primary mic slot for some reason. And nothing is urging the platform developers to change this, but it seems kind of weird to release a product that's centered around this before you can even do that. So just like the metaproducts, it seems like if you use voice notes and memos in the essential space on the nothing device, then it's useful. Yeah. So specific. Very specific. I still want them. My toxic trait is how much I love the nothing ear, but despite how many I've had that are broken, it's just done terribly. I still love these. I have started to see more of these in the city. I've seen quite a few of them in the city, actually. I never see any nothing phones in the city, but I see a lot of the buds. Correct. Interesting. Yeah. I think the buds are in that a little affordable spectrum. It reminds me of a dictaphone. And for that reason, I liked it. What is that? You know what a dictaphone is? Back in the day when the world was way, way, way worse and only women knew how to type, the way a lot of business stuff was done would be that men would have these pocket tape recorders and they would record a bunch of thoughts and memos and stuff. And then you'd put it in a pneumatic tube and it would get shot through the building to a room full of women typing would get that cassette and then type up your what you recorded. Holy crap. And then that would get sent out as the memo. But just as like a pocket, like a handheld voice recorder. Right. And I think there's something sort of. Yes. I like the idea of like putting something up to your mouth, recording something real. Yeah. I guess it doesn't. I mean, I watched those then. That's true. Yeah. We'll have to test this ourselves. I'm sure we'll get some units and we'll have more. Thoughts later. But something we have another thing that we have thoughts about is. Trivial. Just play that. Almost. I was hoping you would kind of, you know, all right. Quick update on the score Marquez with four. Andrew and the lead with seven and David way behind all the way in the back, bringing up the rear with two. Yeah, I'm crying in the club right now. This is crazy. All right. So for one point per founder, can you name all of the Facebook founders besides Mark Zuckerberg? Go. No. I'm just one other person that I know is. Well, that's how this question originally started. Can you name the other founder who's like famous from the movie and yada, yada, yada. And Ellis was like, let's up the ante. I can't do that. I'll make it plus one. I'm saying I'm naming one other person that I know works at meta right now. Is it pause? I was. Is that right? No. Then I'm wrong. Before we start this. Oh no. Just flip them and read. What do we got? Oh my God. Wait. I'm wrong. This name came to my head, but I might be totally wrong. Marquez, what did you put? I can't see it. Cheryl Sandberg. She was not a founder, but she was their first like director of like communications. I said Spiderman. No. Because it's in the movie. It was. No, yeah, we get it. What's his name? Andrew Garfield. Spiderman. The actor who also played Spiderman. So what was his name in real life? In real life, it was Eduardo Savarin. That was one. He's the one from the movie, Seltzer Network. There was also Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes. Dustin also created like Asana or something. Oh, really? He's very, he's very. This guy's the master of cursed software. Yeah. And he's also very, he's like very anti Facebook on socials. Yeah, I can see that. Interesting. Well, none of you got any points. I never even know there were many chances for a point. But I can do the YouTube founders. Guys, which of the following meta products that no longer exists didn't exist first? Hit it. Was unexistent. Yeah, was unexistent first. Lasso, the TikTok competitor that, sorry, just got a leg cramp. Just sort of got folded into Instagram reels, but it's no longer a standalone platform. To reel in the kids. Yeah. Whoa, conspiracy. Lasso, reel it in Instagram reels. Is this real life? What's the name of the other one? The real, that was the cryptocurrency. Who cares? What was it called? It's called, it was called Libra and then they changed it to DM. Yeah, they care because they got to answer something. Did you write? Or did you wrong? It's which one was shut down at an earlier date? Yes. An earlier date. It's felt like a trick question. All right, Marquette, you put. I put Libra. That is incorrect, unfortunately. Libra was shut down in 2022. I know. The obvious one seems like Lasso. So I played myself. When was that? But I put Libra. Lasso was shut down in 2020. Yeah, Lasso barely lassoed, did. I thought you were going to say it's like cruising around somehow or like just, yeah. Yeah. Libra was weirdly like big news when it came out because there was all this regulatory stuff about countries being like, nah, nah, nah. And like so many huge American companies funded it with Meta Visa wasn't it? Yeah. And then like it was big news for a while. Then it disappeared for a really long time and then randomly in 2022. Yeah, 2022. I just saw some random story that was like, Meta officially shuts down its Libra crypto and I was like, that's still around. Technically, they didn't shut it down. They sold it to another company. I don't know if it's private equity, but they told it. They sold it to some sort of ownership group with the expressed idea that that ownership group would shut it down and then write it off for losses on the 2023 tax year. Hooray. So exciting. We love it. Well, David. Yeah. Now you just got a point. One point. Bringing you to three points. Heck yeah. Marquez in second place. You're currently rocking a solid four points. Andrew. Not too proud. Add those two together. Big dog. Gynormous scores right now. Seven points. That's pretty good. Andrew has 50 percent of all points awarded in this season of Wayfork trivia. It's incredible. You love to see it. If I hadn't ruined OLED, we would have gained on Andrew. That's true. Well, you did. I did. That's what you get. Let's be you did to me, Marquez. The question was actually just what does the O stand for? Organic. That's it? That was the question. Still wouldn't get it wrong. I ruined us. The O stands for OLED. Some background. It goes all the way. It's like, do you remember that I think I told the other part, what is the B and Benoit B Mendelbrot stand for? It stands for Benoit B Mendelbrot. The mathematician responsible for the Mandelbrot set. Oh, you did. The fractal pattern that repeats itself the more you go down. Oh, that's funny. This is a funny joke I've told on the podcast before. That's funny. I remember when we talked about fractals. That was like three years ago. I know. Wow. Wow. I know. Do you remember? Do you not remember that? Yeah. Well, Marquez, I remember last year just having the jokes. Yeah, I'm sure it happened, though. Just like this episode for sure happened. Thanks for watching. Thanks for subscribing. And of course, it's September, so you already know. There's the bonus episode you just watched before this. And then another episode that's coming out after this. It's a good time. Stay tuned. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Peace. 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