The Toast

The Fast Five: Wednesday, December 17th, 2025

6 min
Dec 17, 20254 months ago
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Summary

The Toast hosts discuss their experience with Revlon using their trademarked phrase 'girly swirly' without compensation, their correction of ChatGPT's attribution of the phrase, and their detailed critique of Monica Garcia's role in Real Housewives of Salt Lake City's cyberbullying scandal.

Insights
  • Creators struggle with legal recourse when large corporations appropriate their original language and branding without permission or compensation
  • AI language models like ChatGPT require human correction and fact-checking, especially regarding recent cultural phenomena and creator attribution
  • Reality TV casting decisions can overlook serious ethical red flags when contestants have undisclosed involvement in fan-driven harassment campaigns
  • Viral phrases and cultural moments become so embedded in public consciousness that audiences may forget or misattribute their original creators
Trends
Creator IP protection challenges in the age of viral language and cultural phrasesAI hallucination and attribution errors requiring human fact-checking and correctionReality TV production's difficulty vetting cast members for undisclosed social media harassment involvementViral soundbites and quotes becoming independent cultural artifacts divorced from original contextAudience confusion about creator attribution when content becomes widely popularized
Topics
Intellectual property protection for creatorsChatGPT accuracy and fact-checking limitationsReality TV casting and vetting processesCyberbullying and fan account harassmentViral phrase attribution and cultural ownershipCreator compensation and brand partnershipsReal Housewives of Salt Lake City Season analysisLegal remedies for corporate language appropriation
Companies
Revlon
Released a lipstick called 'girly swirly' without compensating The Toast, who claim to have created the phrase.
OpenAI
ChatGPT was used to verify the origin of 'girly swirly' and required correction on attribution to The Toast.
Bravo
Cast Monica Garcia on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City despite her alleged involvement in cyberbullying fan accounts.
Patreon
Platform hosting The Toast's premium content and mentioned in the episode's sponsor read.
People
Jackie Achebe
Co-host discussing the 'girly swirly' phrase appropriation and Real Housewives analysis.
Claudia Achebe
Co-host discussing the 'girly swirly' phrase appropriation and Real Housewives analysis.
Monica Garcia
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member involved in cyberbullying fan accounts targeting cast members.
Jen Shah
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member who was specifically targeted by Monica Garcia's bullying.
Lisa Barlow
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member discussed as a favorite by the hosts.
Meredith Marks
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member who received a fake DM from Monica Garcia's burner account.
Whitney Rose
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member bullied by Monica Garcia's associated fan accounts.
Heather Gay
Referenced for the viral 'receipts, timeline, proof, screenshots, fucking everything' quote from Real Housewives.
Quotes
"you stealing our language without compensating us"
Jackie AchebeEarly in episode
"if we didn't create it, then who did? Like we literally did."
Jackie AchebeDuring girly swirly discussion
"sometimes like you have to correct chat, GBT. They're like low-key, not smart."
Jackie AchebeChatGPT correction segment
"receipts, timeline, proof, screenshots, fucking everything"
Referenced from Real HousewivesDuring RHOSLC discussion
"she was running like a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City specific fan account for bullying the girls"
Jackie AchebeMonica Garcia discussion
Full Transcript
Welcome back to the Toast Patreon. Happy December. It's a December. It's a December to remember here at Patreon. Not a sale. The price is fixed. Oh yeah, not a sale. Which works in times of inflation and in times of sales. In times of surplus and in times of- Derp plus. Whatever the opposite of surplus is. Welcome back you guys. We are doing a very fun episode today because Claudia and I just wanted to do some girly, swirly chit chat. We had planned a big themed episode, but we weren't ready to record it today. Wait, also speaking of girly, swirly, can I tell everyone my journey with chat GBT? So I don't know if you guys know this, but a while ago, Revlon came out with a lipstick called girly, swirly. And actually somebody from communications in Revlon sent it to us being like, isn't this amazing? And I'm like you stealing our language without compensating us. Yeah, we love it. We actually reached out to our attorney who told us there's quite literally nothing we can do about it. I'm like, if we wanted to go to court, we don't. And it's just like a fun fact that if you go into literally any grocery store or drug store that sells lipstick, you will find a lipstick called girly, swirly. And this is- I feel like people didn't know that. No, because I didn't want to give the brand like any attention. Right, we didn't promote it. We weren't getting paid. So I saw somebody in our Facebook group was like, oh my God, was this a partnership? Anybody know that there's a lipstick called girly, swirly? Like the girls must be freaking. We're not. And I was reading comments and people were like, well they didn't create girly, swirly. I'm like, if we didn't create it, then who did? Like we literally did. No, we did. We did. There are other things that we've like popularized but not created, swirly, girly, swirly. Like you could walk it all the way back. We did create it. I can understand like why people would just assume it's become so big that like- Of course. I understand like you thinking like it was bigger than us. You're confused, yeah. But it's not. And so I went to chat to EBT and I was like, okay, swirly, can you let me know who invented girly, swirly? And chat, GBT was like, well, I believe there were like, you know, references to girly and swirly in some pop teen magazines in the early 2000s but the phrase became widely popularized in 2020. And I said, oh, what happened- In 2020, you said the 2020s. Okay, then that's what it was, sorry, I forget. Okay. And I was like, oh, what happened in the 2020s? What made it popular? And they were like, oh, the internet, you know, like podcast and TikTok. And I was like, I actually said, sometimes like you have to correct chat, GBT. They're like low-key, not smart. And I was like, hi, chat. Actually, you're wrong. The podcasters, Jackie and Claudia Achebe, TheToast made it famous. And he was like, you know what, you're right. And they were like, here's how it happened. You know, podcast audience becomes niche, niche audience becomes internet, whatever. Hopefully now if you ask chat, GBT, I have like course corrected. Yeah, but we all know we were there. And if you really want to do your homework, like it's in the files, everything, the receipts are online as Heather Gay would see. Receipts, timeline, screenshot. No, that's not it. Evan, I just said this a little bit. Receipts, proof timeline. Screenshots, fucking everything, right? Fucking everything. I guess that was a viral sound at the time. I do want to update everyone because I belatedly have watched that season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City after mostly avoiding spoilers when it all happened. Now that I've watched that season, I've asked Claudia like, what was the temperature of the country like when that came out? And Claude was like, oh my God, it was like Scandavall. It was the biggest thing. And even when I posted it on my story, the people responding to me like receipts, timeline, proof. I'm like, that was the quote you guys took away from it. I didn't realize that was like the money moment. Kind of like embedded in American culture now, much like girly, swirly. Is receipts, timeline, proof, screenshots, fucking everything. So can I just share my thoughts on what I thought? Please. Did you not have this conversation on the podcast? No, I hadn't seen the big reveal yet. Are you sure? Positive. Positive. I was just enjoying my season saying I'm team Lisa Barlow. She was on to Monica. And I had an idea that like Monica was this insidious character and that like she did something, some cyber bullying, but I didn't know the extent of it. And like as I'm watching the season, I was like, oh maybe she was just the one who sent Meredith that DM about Angie and like just made a fake burner account and was getting called out for it. But no, the fact that she was running like a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City specific fan account for bullying the girls, she was like, she was, she says she was one sixth of it. And in her part, she was interested in bullying Jen Chat and Jen Chat only. Specifically. But like she was surrounding herself with the people who were bullying Whitney and Lisa. And like that is so fucking crazy. And so insane that Bravo led her on the show. And she maintains that she told Bravo that she did this. I would love to know if they knew how this slipped through the cracks. But the whole season, like her presence on the show was so weird. Yeah. And she'll make it about money and be like, what, cause I don't have money. No, but you- Well a little bit because you don't have money. It is a show about affluent women. Plenty of people like come on the show of different means and they have different things to bring to the table. She really didn't have much to bring to the table except for being obsessed with Jen Chat. Like that was it. All season, I was like not about her. I felt like she like went for like low blows, low hanging fruit. She also like, she thought she was like such a slay and she would like argue with people but she would do the cheapest arguing tactic. Oh no, she's gonna be like, it's about money. No. Hi toasters, Turdy here. Are you enjoying this episode? I bet you are, cause it's amazing. If you wanna hear the whole thing, head to patreon.com slash the toast. We are dropping episodes while we are on winter break, doing pop culture, doing vlogs, getting to know Jackson Turdy in a way you've never gotten to know us before. Highly recommend signing up. It is $7.99. Head over to patreon.com slash the toast now to enjoy. Love ya, bye.