The Salt Must Flow - AdeptiCon 2026: Great Minis, Terrible WiFi

The End of the World by The Hedgehog plays. Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is DK Diamantes, his name is Bricky, and we have an all-star cast today, with Kerioth and Pancreas no work as well. But before we get into all that, if you enjoyed today's episode and maybe you want to support the podcast, head over to patreon.com slash adeptusridiculous, where you get access to the Discord, bloopers if they happen, $15 to get you access to all of our posters, which, two announcements about the Patreon before we get into all this, we release the full version of our script writer, Possum's, Tales from the Lore Minds on Patreon. It's a short 40-minute audio book about their writing, research process on a trilogy of books, and it's read by a pro voice actor, Lucas Sheneman, love that, love it. Who you might know as Nevanjo and Til Regor in Warframe, available to all paid patrons regardless of tier. That's hype as hell. Lucas is phenomenal, you should absolutely check that out. And number two, there is a new poster. Everybody ready to check out our brand spanking new poster. Oh, well, you should, it's good, it's great, I love it. Oh, geez. Geez! The man's back. You know, I don't even, I don't even care about the art of the poster. I care, I, this is Halestay, I love you. I care about the name. Old Bay Eye, ay, ay. Ay, it's a good name. Come on, I thought that was great. No, that is really good, that's a good one, I gotta give you that credit. There's a brand new, the brand new poster, loosely inspired by Commissar, Yarek. There, and okay, Old Bay Eye's pretty good, I'm gonna, I have to give you a little, yeah, alright, shy, you get a plus two for that one. You get a plus two for that one. That's a plus two hundred percent, yeah, yep. That being said, I have, I have some, I have some more merch that needs to be done for today. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get our assistant editor Sparky to do our best on this one. You know, you know, today we're talking about Adepticon, right? Mm-hmm. Right, we're talking about Adepticon. It's like, hey DK, give me, give me a, a, a Depticon stream with extra models. Oh. Ah, shit he doesn't get it. Uh, uh, p회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회회 Are you shitting me? Are you shitting me? Are you shitting me? It was loading up. You gotta do each part of the bit. Alright. Alright, screw this shit. For the next one week only, and I do need the next one week only, please enjoy the brand new technical, what the f- there we go, technical difficulties t-shirts. Please stand by as we pray to the Omniceia. I may need to remove the Omniceia part at the bottom of that, because that might be um, turning off. Technical difficulties, please stand by t-shirt as well for the next one week only, and of course, who could forget the very important brand new Warhammer Extra Large Coasters Pack available for only one week. No more circles with a- It's actually what it is. With an actual genuine screen cap of my reaction to my thousands and thousands of undone circles, this t-shirt and objective marker are now available for one week only. Get them while they're hot. There's also a discounted version if you buy both. Check them out. Orchidate.com linked in the description. AdRick merch section. I believe the circles are still usable for like Aegis Sigma and Horus Heresy and stuff, so it's not like a total loss, but enjoy them. Also, you can buy them in packs of one if you would like. Just as a joke, so enjoy the new merch, and you can pick up the poster while you're at it with old Bay Eye. What a time that was seeing that reveal. As soon as that happened, much like you, I was streaming the reveals as well, and one of the first things I said was does anyone check Tom Brickie? Is Brickie okay? Is everything okay? I think that was everybody's reaction. Now you see the exact face I made when that happened. Yeah. So, uh... With the face you're making, it looks like you were the one that caused the circles to go away. You literally look like you just got caught. Stealing the cookie from the cookie jar. Stealing the circles? You got caught red handed. Crazy. Yeah, good goofy stuff. Anyway, check it out in the description. Adapticon, folks. Paying creus. Good seeing you again, buddy. Thanks for coming on. Of course, my pleasure. The Kyriath, I mean, I would say the same, but you're here a lot now, so... The shine's worn off. It's fine, I get it. Well, the shine's worn off. The shine's worn off and leeched through the roof, unfortunately. Oh, don't. Wrong joke for Kyriath. I'm just happy that pancreas will be in the same recording as me after the last time. That's nice. Oh, God. That's... Yeah, the March 18th, April Fool's Day joke. Love that, dude. Yeah. The special package hasn't arrived yet, so... That's how you were, Kyriath. You've got a present coming. But, uh, yes, so... So, a few weeks back, Games Workshop has their ever-famous Adapticon. You were at Adapticon, right, pancreas? I was. It was nice. It's... There's in Milwaukee, if I'm not mistaken, correct? It is in Milwaukee, yeah. Right in the heart of Wisconsin. I hope that state, its glass, by the covenant. But, you know, the con itself was nice. Good. Good. Glad to hear it. But we can't... We unfortunately can't do that, because then we'll lose Mike Stoklossa and Rich Evans, so we unfortunately... Oh, yeah. Are gonna have to keep it alive. We can exfiltrate them. We can... We can get them out? Yeah, yeah, it's like the civilian mission on reaching. Um... But, obviously, Adapticon happens every year. It's kind of a, you know, first quarter of the year. Games Workshop tends to have a big old thing. It's, you know, it's a convention. There's lots of painting stuff, lots of pretty prolific war hammer, like, content creators and painters and things like that kind of all come by. I myself have never gone, unfortunately, because it is the same weekend as Pax East every time. And I really like Pax East. Maybe I'll make the jump one day, but we'll see. But, uh, they also tend to have a big stream where they show off all kinds of new things in Warhammer. And for about... They try really hard. They try to have it really hard. And for the third... I think the third year in the row, have been marred by intense technical difficulties and sound problems. Um... Ridiculous levels of it, by the way. As... And I hate to say it, we all could maybe have done better with our time... Well, maybe not you, Pink, but, um, with our time streaming and the like. I mean... There comes a point where you just feel bad for the actual presenters when they're on their one and only working microphone out of three, and you still can't hear them. There's just a part of that... Of seeing that happen, where you're like... You're gonna get a lot of blame for this. And I just feel bad for you, because you are literally just trying to do your job. But no one can hear... Actually, no, that's not fair. Sometimes no one can hear what you're saying. Other times, people are being deafened by the most ferocious reverb I've ever heard in my life. And it's just that and the stream cutting out halfway as well. That was quite fun. Also, the... When you try to watch it on YouTube, which is generally what I tend to do, they set a schedule stream to go live. Now, when you set a schedule stream on YouTube, you then have to point your streaming software at that schedule stream. Otherwise, you just go live on a totally different one. Which is exactly what they did. So that was already a bad start for YouTube, because they were live on Twitch, YouTube was showing nothing. But it's okay, because if you had the schedule stream up, it was still dead, but the description had been changed to say the stream is actually here. So you had to click that to get to a different one. The main one was set unlisted, obviously, because it didn't work. And then when everything went down, they then started streaming again to yet another YouTube stream. So we had three different variations. And you know, in the end, two of them didn't work. So that was fun. That is actually in the list of things for like Adapticon. I was going to refer to that as like the elephant in the room, but the presentation itself was kind of disastrously bad. But Bricky sort of preempted that by making a literal t-shirt about it. So I'm very happy to see the t-shirt. I felt that if there was a time for me to hop on this bandwagon, it would be now the benefit of owning a merch store is that when there's a meme, I could just hop on that immediately. Even now we're a little bit late, technically, but just because Adapticon was a few weeks back, but even so, good times across the board. What a what a world. I hear that the, I don't know if you have any insight on this, but I hear in person pancreas that it was not much better with how the mics were in the audience. No, it was it was just as reverby and loud when it was working and it's it was bad. It still was not any good. It's a little humorous because like when I saw them start playing trailers and stuff, or like images of various new models and stuff of that nature, and then their audio would cut out immediately. My first thought was they didn't add the audio track for the announcers to this particular scene. And like instant streamer brain turned on and was like, oh, they've got to add the audio track and then they would go back and they'd be back. I'm like, out there it is again. Yeah. Imagine doing that for Adapticon, your biggest and you're just like, whoops, didn't add the audio track to this scene. I don't know how it happened or where or why, but it's it was a time. But anyway, technical difficulties aside and oh, there were many. We did get a lot of announcements. Kiriath Shai said that you have a like kind of a bit of a run of show that you can go through bit by bit. I think there are a few highlights. There are a few things that were maybe I mean, the problem with putting this list together because you know, you've mentioned miniatures. I think if we start off with some of the more fun things that were shown off, it's obviously a little bit of built in subjective bias going on. So I mean, straight off the bat there is when I was looking through all the stuff again, I did have a moment of do we want to talk about yet another Cadeon Squad or do we just say that exists and move on because my overwhelming feeling to that was oh my god, that's the Red Terror. Oh, and there's some other guys which you know, I may be alone in that but that's kind of out of that particular announcement for Kill Team was anyone more excited for Cadeons than the Red Terror coming back? I feel like probably not. Are we going straight into Kill Team first as our choice or I think start out on something truly fun and impressive and let's do the Red Terror first and then let's shift over into into the insanity that was so many actually fun and interesting Imperial Guard reveals again once the bias kind of slipping through but there you go because they had some actually really cool stuff and you know, I would say that's cool. Yeah, like when the Red Terror went away I was like that's sad but I don't know if anyone has the picture of the old miniature but that is a dated market improvement right here extensively the only downside I have with this miniature is we've moved from tactical rock to tactical in motion slammed pillar which is a bit much but so long is that pillar on the side oh there he is slap, belly, rubs it yeah that's an age old model alright oh boy what a lovely little guy right there yeah that is an extensive improvement yeah very also this is going to be a very me question I don't know if I've forgotten but who pray tell is the Red Terror I mean effectively a tyrannied character so to speak instead of having your various kernels of whatever nature it's just a slightly distinctive version of whatever you know bioform which I think for the Red Terror it's initially a trigon isn't it or no mollock big swords means trigon little stubby words normally means mollock though I think it also eats people a bunch which is what mollocks do so yeah I think was the initial one I believe was a ravener so I think it's sort of like grown out of that but yeah I think you've effectively got a non-unique bioform that has sort of become something a bit different and a bit interesting and ended up frankly being incredibly cool you know what what do I'm really curious about this because I'm really not sure on the whole like kinetic movement thing with smashing the scenery where do you where do you lie on that see I am I'm someone it's weird it's like it's rule of cool as in it looks awesome but the same time I if the scenery bits are not like literally there in order to cover holes in the model itself I won't mind but like for example that's what I was worried about earlier where is that statue on the left covering an opening in the leg so I choose against not using the statue will I just have a giant opening that I need to green stuff and if that's the case that kind of blows but like the little bits of rubble on its claw if I can just not put that there or I can snip it off then like I can whatever that's fine you know it's sure yeah surely you can like especially like the one on the claw like there's no way that's like a necessity for like hiding a hole or something yeah the one on the tail though that I have a feeling that might be imprint there or it's like no you need to use the step that that tail one for sure the other pillar maybe not but that little statue guy on the tail yeah I think yeah the only thing I'm not sure about everything else is just really really cool oh yeah it looks great yeah so good I like his eyes because if you look in the bottom version of the photo he looks like he's really judging you he has this six eyes and he's just kind of like squinting at you like what are you doing over there they're all on our road just mouth agape just yep just that face coming down from the ceiling and ceiling red terror is watching you yeah you know that image of oh go ahead it looks like the face of like a parent asking the kid what do you got in your hand what's what is that what do you got it has for me it's the cat with the jeans on that's like the fuck they do and over there in a visual look but now the red terror I mean do we have notes besides this looks awesome the only thing is the statue I think yeah it looks awesome fucking sick it does it's something that's been around for absolutely ages like you know we've got the the older model there it's been gone for so long I can't even remember the last time it was in a codex like it's it's properly for them to bring it back just the fact that they've done it is for me it's like oh that's enough I don't care if they've done nothing else but bring the model back it's doing the nostalgia thing it's just going you remember this now it's now it's good now it's good that's that is a much better angle of that mini god it looks even better from that that that second picture is like um angle I think I can answer your question I think the last time the red was in a codex was either 8th edition or 9th edition pre tier new codex in which it was then legends with the 9th edition codex it was actually not too too long ago because I remember seeing its data sheets um I just remember it being bad so no one took it this one however will probably be a lot more interesting then while I really like return of the Jedi uh rebel troopers second half of this box yeah oh dear I mean look just we'll throw we'll throw a couple in there we'll throw a couple in there they are perfectly fine that they're perfectly fine guys there is oh no we're gonna face what happened oh don't worry about that that that's its own thing no no no the Vox really lay beacon however now that people people premium quality that's quality right there oh yeah that quality GW at its finest honest to god this is just one of those situations I think where like if this came out with the 9th edition or 10th edition guard codex alongside like you know caster kit and everything no one would have any issues they'd be like these look sick this is awesome it's kind of a you know more covert team that's cool cool cool but we're sitting here with like the most dated catichon models of all time wondering why the hell is this not catichon or tanneth or anything else yep yeah there's just there's so many there are so many regiments that used to have models and now don't or have got ancient models and and instead it's like and here is a slightly different flavor of cadians it's like but you're selling guys who look like potatoes why didn't you really work those what is this but to be fair like we did get actual decent guard stuff I mean that's not to say these are bad I keep saying that like these are terrible and they're not but they're just not interesting it has like there has like their guard room energy like like read the room guys you know I can't even imagine what it would have been like if they didn't show you the napkins scribbles of the Armageddon coming out and then show off more cadians I mean I mean don't get me wrong love me some guard guard had more model like more kit reveals this show than like Grey Knight has kits oh yeah that's that's that's a moral way to oh man well when you put it like that I don't think I'm super off base with that too like minus some character stuff I mean not it's pretty close yeah yeah it is I mean I know I know we saw Yarek beforehand but like between Yarek and Graves the two transports the new inquisitor this lot like it's it's not that far off and it feels like it shouldn't be that close so so pancreas I don't know if this is your brand of autism but like are you are you soyjack are you are you are you soyjacking it like the hippogriff little vehicle at all or no with the opening of that that question I really don't want to answer that because it is my brand yes okay I saw that thing and it was like oh that guy's really cool and then the person next to me was like I know what you are so you said hippogriff tank and I was like oh I wonder what that looks like and as soon as the picture popped up I was like oh yeah no wonder you're keying in on pancreas yeah yeah okay got it we gotta encircle the Germans you know like this there's a lot to be done here there's a lot to be done here crazy first war hammer terrain set in rural France I'm really hyped for it I mean all jokes aside I genuinely love this mini it's everything it's a great looking tank the thing about the thing about these tanks I really like that guard is moving towards the putting a bunch of like random gubbins and shit on the side of the tank like ammo cases and sleeping roles and stuff like that and shovels big fan of that ah big fan of the shovels got you got you I'm glad they're kind of adding that kind of vehicle too I like tanks I like my tanks but I like the not quite tanks too it fleshes out the monster it's also like if you wanted a little light scout vehicle and guard you took the AT-AT walkers you took the sentinels and like having a little just this little guy that's gonna zip around and be like haha meltablas is kind of cool you know I gotta say now that you mention all the little gubbins on the side those are nice little additions to make it seem more like a yeah like a just like a real ass soldier tank instead of just like oh look we put a bolter where the headlights are and we put another bolter in the wheel well or something it's like oh this actually looks like a combat patrol vehicle or something that is that is kind of nice actually they're really fun what's the name of the what's the name of the transport again is the sentel sentel sentel depending where you from I guess I think we call the sentar but yeah I also I do enjoy the fact that guard is maintaining their thing of naming all of their vehicles after various like creatures mythological things the wyver and the manticore the basilisk you know the chimera it's neat so they get the sentar the hippogriff that's cool like that they do the same thing in halo yeah that's it's it's good please take notes this is good this is good all I'm not gonna lie my first thought was when you started saying that yes my favorite mythological beast the roguel door I was right there with you I was like the roguel door I wasn't even russ all very mythical creatures like miscellan sure I think that's when Zeus's lightning bolt translates to I mean I love the half-track the half-track is awesome big fan the hippogriff is really cool but I'm not gonna lie the commissar graves Pimpmobile is insane oh yeah what I really like is that they did these two trans they did the transport and they've done the the AFV and they're basically gone and now for something that is basically just a historical tank that you could probably put down in the middle of a bolt action battlefield and someone might go proportions are weird but they probably wouldn't think too much of it and then they also went and also this Colossal gets one and it looks insane because you can't just have it look normal you've got to have a pulpit on there you've got to give a load of armor up the front and it's really funny that specifically DK you were like they just stick heavy bolts where the headlights are what did you look at that that wasn't a request that was just that's too damn bad yeah I was like oh man everything I loved about the hippogriff and stuff is gone from here it still looks great though obviously you love a little bit of the um over dramatic flair of the Imperium I mean this is basically sorry I'm going bricky well I just said this is basically just the fortress of arrogance the Commissar Yarex Hellhammer but like it's own version of the vehicle also I don't know if you caught this but on the the front of the box for Commissar Graves it specifically said two miniatures so I wonder if you actually build Graves twice one with the on the ground version and one with the sword version and so you don't just take the sword version off you actually have two minis I'm not sure it's two completely different poses um so with the at least the lower actually you know what I think it is just two different completely different miniatures because she's got the whole drive me closer so I can hit with my sword pose on the actual vehicle which I'm loving that that's the pose they went with I feel like the angle of the head is similar from the two different models but the way the like the way the arms pointed the overall posing on the other arm you know the fact the legs are so different I think also she's screeching yeah shouting in one and then she's got a normal expression in the other so it might actually be that yeah you just get two completely separate models although I do like that it's counting I know I know that's technically how it works but you get two miniatures and then one of the miniatures is a vehicle with four guys in it that sort of thing always makes me laugh I love the guys in it too like obviously you got the banner person but I love the like really old dude with the monocle with the binoculars just because he just has this face of like mmmm 43 longitude south fire you know I don't know there's just something about him he gets me is Graves a pretty is that like a lore character that I should know or is it just some commas are they picked to get a snazzy tank she's new okay it's pretty important I mean it's it's weird because like obviously me guard player love love guard look at all these awesome new garden nature is not to mention that the box they have is like a phenomenal deal what is it like a set a centaur ten cadence two hypocrites and a dorn oh yeah yeah like excellent like I would buy two of those and just give a buddy and the other hypocrite you know like unless you don't run them in squads too which would be really cool because then they'd be like the oh god the heron kin debilitators or whatever the shit those little cappercase defenders the vote on little skips oh the three the sort of three oh say three wheeled they're not you know the hover trike the green machine yeah but like the transport version those slightly bigger ones not the not the the bikes but but yeah I was maybe like run them in like squads of one to two kind of like how sentinels can so yeah I mean a lot of bang for your buck in that box it's a good deal yeah it's a good deal for guards a really good deal for guard actually and it's I mean I'm not so sure I feel about everyone getting two dorns but you know maybe the dorns will finally be nerfed in 11th edition because damn they good I like the one of the things that I was thinking about when they first showed them off was how how fun it was that there was actually something that looked relatively like I know that when it comes to Imperial Guard obviously their tanks are a sort of mix of World War One and World War Two aesthetics and everything sort of jumbled together into something that looks kind of sci-fi but not really but then it really gets thrown into proper like stark relief when you've got two things that look really quite just like historical vehicles and then you put one of them next to the roguldorn which looks like the most insane tank ever made next to something that looks just real it just looks oh here's it is like a fairly loud light sort of scouting vehicle but it's got some decent weaponry and here is a giganto platform simply covered in guns hell yeah contrast is great they do it again with with the Bane Blade yes yeah it's super goofy we did also get the new the new Inquisitor as well who looks absolutely mental so whoa his lore of like he hunted down this this squid rhino thing or like horse thing dog to nearly extinction no no two extinction and then saved one final one for him as a mount I mean he's he's crazy he's just a british safari dude like I don't know how to describe it he kind of rocks with how much of a piece of shit he is yeah I mean boy that's a really cool horse he's got though I know he drove them to extinction that's not great but damn that's sick that's more horrific when you take the gas mask off like the the teeth oh my it sure does holy shit god damn that's why people were spamming hammerlock in at me a while back yeah he looks like borderlands he looks very much like borderlands hammerlock right it just dawned on me okay got you on his on his mighty mount boner fart it's actually the name of hammerlocks mount or are you just no it's one of the quests where like they're renaming the one thing so it's I forget they call him that for like the mission uh-huh it's like the thing they did in borderlands too as well I forget what they ended up calling the thing but yeah but well there's butt stallion I do remember butt stallion yeah there's like a there's anyway not that it's important but yeah there's a there's a hunt you go on into and you rename something into like yeah forget what that's that's what I was referencing oh yeah I thought you were referencing like three or four for some reason anyway it doesn't matter we get we got the joke in the end or I can never truly tell if borderlands was a game I liked that's not true I did like one and two quite a bit but like I can never truly tell if it was the humor or any that kind of poopy poop fart humor um uh you know I oh I'm gonna I leave my squirter at medieval times type thing or if it's um a lot more related to just like really good gameplay and playing against chromaraxi invincible a billion times yeah I will say it is a little bit interesting that this amazing model is on um in Agents the Imperium aka not an army and so yeah and and so like obviously you can ally him in and maybe he's really cool but that hasn't been great in the past so we'll see I guess well we did also we did also get a a refresh of inquisit of Karamazov but not really so that's that was all right a nice surprise this this bitch what I'm serving to do it right what's the the okay this is the best thing I've ever seen because this is easily the dumbest thing I've ever seen and therefore it fits in sisters perfectly I mean that's that is kind of dope though that you just got a you know gun platform thrown say this this is fun dumb though yeah absolutely this is this is like the exorcist tank level of dumb the pipe organ missile launcher type level of dumb I get behind this level of dumb I like this level yeah also I know you first oh sorry oh I I can picture there's some sister of battle in universe who could explain why everything on this is vital to it functioning well I mean naturally if you take a look at it right you have the chair with the sermon you got to read the sermon the braziers we don't even need to discuss two heavy bolters and two heavy flavors directly to the side of her is is really humorous but I will say the the piece the resistance of that is if you look at the back all the chains on the bottom have like handcuffs in them so oh yeah there's a good chance that she's just like dragon heretics around as she like stomps around the battlefield yelling at people fair also are those missiles directly under the platform the little red dots yeah little missile launcher underneath nice nice I love sitting on the I think that they said that this this platform kind of helps you helps her like command like penitent engines and mortifiers and stuff so my assumption is that she either like gets like loan up near them or is like leads them mm-hmm cut but it's kind of interesting because they don't mortifies penitent engines normally more like melee platforms and she has a lot of shooting she's obviously going to bonky with the with the fucking bonky thing but you know is that what you do with the bonky thing yeah sir hell yeah brother this is the kind of like the stupidest thing I've ever seen I'll take two type situation yep oh see I don't even think it was the stupidest thing on on that stream but really like in in a very in a very good way we should any other any other game system we kind of have to mention wasdaku guts mech or people get very angry because I mean yep he has a model for a start which is amazing but also they've done a thing which is super I mean I really like it I think it's really cool what they've done with making the flames coming out of the back of that like jet booster oh yeah they've made it like intentionally stylized cartoony and I love it I think it actually looks really really good if you're going to do it does yeah if you're going to do that and you're going to do it for a guy who is known for having a like a motorbike with a rocket booster strapped to the back that he uses to you know ram titans you've got to do something that isn't just we need to make this realistic because it's never going to look realistic doing it like that doing it super stylized it looks like a like a panel out of a comic and that rules I do really like that flame because I feel like in a lot of minis the flames almost look too like like the piece looks too chunky and it doesn't remind me of like a flame it's just like this chunky like reddish piece and so I kind of liked it it's like this really sort of like thin stretched out piece for the flames it looks good a bitch to paint sure shy yeah but it does look phenomenal if you want to play the hell's angels in 40k so you got to put the work in I mean I mean I enjoy especially because it gives another character to another version of um works I mean they legends are good boy captain badrock those bastards boss nick rot for the blood axes gas go for the goffs I guess the mad doc grotsnik and then you've also got um mas grots crack bag bad I think for the snake bites so we didn't have an evil son stuff and this will be the first major evil sons character and he he does kind of rock kind of this guy absolutely slaughters I know I loved I love him and the grot I just love them they both have the goggles on as well and just just and also you look at like you look at some of the little bits and pieces of their weaponry and stuff and it's just like the chain gun on the front it's so it's so orky I gotta be honest I don't know how I missed the chain gun on the front I was looking at the back I was like what is that belt of shells leading into and I was like oh that's not the nose of the thing that's just a gun I mean so I'm sorry oh I I was to be fair to be fair in orc vehicles the kind of thing that would just have shells like just on the side for fun mm-hmm that's true they would use the recoil of the shells randomly on the side to make the thing go faster to do a proper Akira slide right well they have to make sure they do it properly oh yeah 100% you ride a bike you gotta do the slide it's it's part of passing it's part of getting the license isn't it you don't get it unless you can pull that move off I think you two sound like someone my dad would have scraped off the road when he was a fireman please do not get on a bike ever ha ha ha ha don't worry I will I will never I am I am too scared and also incompetent so the grot does go insane though I really like the grot he's just like he's just like he's so focused he's so ready to go also little little nice detail the power claw having a having a bunch of cable underneath it because he can fire it at people and then put it back in oh yeah oh my god oh is that what that is that why he's got the Venom snake arm yeah underneath the power claw itself there's like a big there's like a reel of cables that's all like wound in I believe I believe that is for shooting the people and then grabbing them I like how it's also just attached to his body it's just there's a cable that's just shoved into his side from the power claw yeah kind of hard to must be kind of hard to rev the bike with that arm because you know he's just and then just falls right off and he's got another arm for it true true and a grot he's got a grot as well he's also an orc it's fine he's like oh yeah this is how the boy works one arm rev you know what that orc voice is the best english accent you've done for months that's pretty decent it's the orc voice it's my it's my gift do we want to also address a fairly large lad potentially returning this is not strictly a Debtacon but I feel like it slots into the sort of reveal nature of things because there was an article about Peter Turbo and yeah yeah so I will so I will read on everyone's parade a little bit GW is known to have their big battle seam with the major character looming over so like I don't know if he's truly going to be like at your post night sized but because they did a little bit of artistic liberty with it that being said like dude he has like 17 claws I love it I love that shit so much it looks like a villain from Gundam I adore it I don't like I know a lot of iron warrior fans are really not a big fan of the fact that Piraturabo became a demon Primark but I feel like if they were ever going to do demon Primark Piraturabo he would look like this you know 100% less like mutation and more just well yes of course I added another server on with a gun on it what else was I supposed to do you have 18 of them yeah but I thought 19 how many imperial fists are there more than that it's just like it's also that one ad-mage guy square up he's out here looking like all the random cops and Melgier rising revenge internally he's like oh my god oh my god I'm going to die but his instec priest masters are like go fight him you got this little buddy if you slow down the advance of the traitor legions by 0 to 2 seconds then we may be able to escape with the relevant data sends 40 skitari I feel like we've got to actually show off a guy from the box as well we've got to talk about the new the new blood angels I'm having difficulty with this dudes actually you finish your things first before I make a small rant I understand that with the launch boxes it feels like some of them are more aimed towards people in terms of let's throw nostalgia at people like they did that with like refreshing the terminators and stuff and I was a sucker for that because I was like well I love terminators and now they've made them a proper scale and they look better because they're newer and that's fine because that's what I want my terminators to look at I've been putting different heads on intercessors since they released the first intercessors so when they're showing off the stuff from the Armageddon box and it's primarily a guy in Mark X armor with a different helmet instead of going oh that's a neat idea I'm like you you already knew kit bashing existed this isn't exciting to me this is just like I've done this we've all done this for like 10 years now I'm not I'm just not like I'm not sitting there going I can't wait to see the next space marine thing I'm just like can we skip that and look at the orcs because the space marines are going to look like anything else that I or anyone else who enjoys kit bashing will have made from the moment they released the first wave of primaris and I know that in this situation that stuff just isn't aimed at me but at the same time I'm like oh this is kind of boring yeah when you were like oh yeah look at the new Blood Angel I was like oh very cool and then you showed and I was like yup that's a space marine alright I mean technically because it's the launch box they're not going to do like full Blood Angels iconography because people want to be able to buy it and turn it into whatever you know whatever chapter they want so I get that it's it's painted red but it's not specifically it's not like specifically Blood Angel because then that just limits how many people would buy it but it's also like you could change the colour of that to anything and I still wouldn't look at it and go this excites me because it looks like a lot of people have been doing since day one of this stuff which is just swapping a head out and that's just not that interesting for me but I'm also trying very hard to acknowledge that it's not for me in this instance this feels like a box where it's for newer players as opposed to people already entrenched so that's probably where they're aiming it I'm gonna find I'm finding you in this I'm finding you hard on this because I think you're being really nice and I don't want and I don't like that I think it's stupid he wants the smoke I actually do want the smoke because like to well I understand what you're saying I think it has it carries two particular flaws flaw one is that it feels like this is a particular adjustment made to come against the outcry of Primaris Marines not looking like the old school stuff which was oh looks at watch 10 years ago which would therefore not be new players but in fact already entrenched people but new players like a lot of new players probably don't have the nostalgia of the pig Darth Vader helmets and are just looking at this like this is just an intercessor with a new hat because it is and it feels really weird because it all and I'll be honest it also feels a little like insulting because the idea that oh but he has a different like like leg plate and is wrapping a purity seal around the gun and that makes it worth buying instead of a classic Primaris intercessor kit just feels like the kind of thing of like you people will buy anything you know like you people will get anything and also I was actually kind of crashing out a little bit because when this was revealed so many people were like well Bricky not all of us can afford a 3D printer and I'm like dude you can't be doing this to me right now you cannot you can a cursory google search will allow you to find 9000 different helmets for a 3D printed for a dollar a piece per helmet that will let you do whatever you want with all of your miniatures you need to spend a modicum of effort the tiniest bit of effort to get exactly what you want instead of buying a whole new kit because it's got the pinky helmet on it and I like I can't I was looking at the reveal on the official warhammer video and I was looking at the comments and they were all like yeah I'm so happy they brought back the helmet I was just saying they were like are you deleting the comments game's workshop are you deleting the comments like what are you am I am I crazy I felt like I was insane that this was the exciting thing was the marine with other helmet because it really is just that there's nothing they were like pointing out like hey look look at the second edition army gidenbox look at it look at it it's just like this which like that part I was like that does look kind of cool but I'm looking at like the 10th edition launch box and holy hell like yeah the terminators are just the terminators but that was a genuinely interesting upscale of a kit that is a very old kit and they needed change like with the librarian and the captain and like also like even the stern guard veterans you know they did the old helmets and stuff and they look way better than the intercessor with helmets so I don't I don't know man I'm a lot I'm a bit more of a doomerism on that one I thought that was just a huge wet fart of a reveal you could have at least shown us the cool orc with like the walking turret yeah I think everyone just wants to see that guy but there's just like can we have can we have the exciting one I think I'm probably there is a level of like overcorrection that's kind of going on with me where I'm just like yeah but that it's just it's the easiest kit bash known to man surely everyone's done this and then I have to be like well not everyone wants to do that but then if you wanted this if you wanted this for this long that seeing a guy in Mark X with like a Mark 7 helmet is the most exciting thing in the world how have you not gone on eBay and just found some first born helmets by this right that's why I was like I was stuck because on one hand this feels like a response to intercessor issues 10 years ago versus like but at that point that's the things been solved so I'm I don't know I'm not so sure it feels like a very odd choice to start with unrelated but you and poor him have ruined that helmet for me I used to look at it like the cool Darth Vader thing and then the second you guys were like oh yeah that's the pig snout helmet I was like oh no I see it yeah Brad ruined it Brad and his common nature of of shitting on things I love he called it the piggy helmet and I was like shit man and now it hasn't left my vocabulary since I forget when they first said it but they said and I was like oh no I see it I can't unsee it this helmet is ruined I hate it now mind you I do like the helmet I think it's cooler than the normal helmet I like the old school it's just not it's just not for me not for me the the new intercessor yeah yeah yeah it does feel like you people will buy anything kind of thing I don't know it's just like at least if you're making the fire strike servo turret at least it looks different it's much like the helmet they give the piggies their slop god damn damn I mean ironically they also showed off an orc right and the orc the orc looks decent but then it's fine the weird thing with orcs though is that it's a decent refresh to the orc boys but we already had an orc boys refresh it's just they did a really bizarrely shit job of it where the models look good but then they put them like mixed in the squad so it's like half sluggers and choppers and half shooters and so people were like what the hell is this also there's an odd number so you have to buy a bunch of boxes to actually make full squads of anything but then that means that the poses are super repeated to the point where they still sell the box of orc boys that like I built an army out of in fucking third edition so you've got the original well not the original but you've got like the oldest hell you know or like are sticking out orcs then you've got for sale then you've got the refresh orcs for sale that aren't as popular because they didn't do them properly and then you've got the beast snacker boys which are effectively and if we're being honest just another orc refresh but slightly different and then now they've gone and we've refreshed orc boys again I mean I'm glad orcs are getting stuff orcs deserve things we love the orcs how many goddamn refreshes of the orc boys are we going to get in what feels like not that long and why didn't you just do it right the first time what is this what's happening and the big selling point being ah but they get shooters and yes chopper that was the thing I wanted to bring up where I was like it almost feels like an apology for the shitty orc refresh because they're like okay well now what the poses you chose are weird and this and that alright every orc gets a shooter as well as a chopper and like don't get me wrong from a game perspective that's great I'm really happy with that because I always felt like the having to choose wasn't particularly orc-y in that sense but I mean that's an orc what's the other orc with the squig on him because that one's kind of cool yeah the knob like the boss knob like the boss knob looks great that gun is the dumbest thing I've ever seen that makes it perfect it's perfect oh yeah I was going to say it has to be right you can't have a smart looking orc gun and awful and hell yeah that's incredible and I love the squig on the shoulder that's awesome like the orcs look a hell of a lot better than the marines do and they still aren't a ton I don't know if it's any good and hey if you need that helmet for one of your space marines you can buy this orc kit and take it off oh you're right look there's the new helmet right there there it is you just that sucker on your current ones you're good to go I agree with shy I want power claw now oh that's fair the power claw orcs do usually look really fire that's yeah now do we want to do we want to continue with with models or do you want to shift into some of the rule changes that they talked about for 40k first we only have an hour of curiosity I will spend a while on rules so do we want to speed run sigmar in fantasy okay let's I mean the sisters one being not the dumbest model because I don't think it is the dumbest model I think this was the dumbest model yeah oh man what do you mean that's that's that's peak I saw this one this is peak as hell I love sigmar's moving castle yeah it's peak but it's also really dumb it's it's incredibly stupid and I love every single bit of it it's so good this just so good this screams I'm going to orcify this into a stomper oh yeah yeah dad does they said you can use it in any army so I'm absolutely covering that thing in rats hell no you can cover that thing in like soul black grave lord maybe like just a bunch of specters and tax men it's so good it's so good get a bit of carriage on overlords you can get some of the like the smaller the smaller like frigate or whatever the big what is it is it it's aether something in it ether gold whatever that's the one get the canister for that stick it on there somewhere you can turn this into anything and the fact that they went on by the way you can just use it with any and all armies it's just yes please go out and kit bash the hell out of this because we want everybody to buy one and you know what I think everybody will I do do I have very little to say about the cog for in the sense that like everything about the cog for is the coolest thing ever you often have less to say about good things than you do bad things because that's just the way the brain works and like my brain is currently giving me the I show speed smiling with my mom is kind of homeless I'm just kind of sitting here like nice it's just a 10 out of 10 no no what do you like about it look at it what do you mean you want me to explain not to mention they did the whole like you can run an army of nothing but a nothing but cog for it's and also for in every army like I will I will admit even though they're they're serving us piggy slop sometimes I do think games workshop has become a bit more a kid bash slash magnetize magnetization friendly lately the main reason I mentioned this because I was building the assault terminators recently and they specifically were like hey cut out all the weapons first and it's there a flat placement on all the terminator bodies it's like they're begging you to magnetize the the things it's fair it's very interesting so yeah it's cool to see that part even even if the part also is just but he's got a new hat you know they give us and they take it away there's there's also the the the the nail mage as well which caught my eye from the Sigma stuff just me as I was like that's pure from soft yeah it really is from the people keep smacking his helmet over and over again yeah the little skeletons with the hammers they ring the bell that is his helmet which I mean what what a stupid detail but it is also very fun I will say if ever there was a model where you leave the visor down this this is it yeah I yeah sure is the the the aura loss with the visor up is insane I mean the guy zombie or something which is true but you know he's not a zombie the guys ring the bell and his head is the bell so they keep hitting him with the dogs I get that but he looks like he might be undead he's a city of Sigma guy he's just malnourished you look undead no I'm just hungry the food rattles in his mouth everything he keeps hitting him of course he looks hungry every time he eats he gets clocked in the party dong dong what a weird mini I kind of love it it's it's it's properly weird they also did the the not gate breaker that's gate breaker garganties from no no they made real gatekeepers both of them you put them on the battlefield and then you randomly hear the word tourists like three doors down I'm not this those are so fucking goofy I think I love I think this might have been my favorite reveal welcome I'm doing I'm could take putting one of the are like one of the shields on the other person's arm that the Dark Souls 2 door build let's go also let's let's not forget the two Gatling Gunners on top of their body firing down it's ridiculous crazy I I love it so stupid I love it they love they love holding it they love holding the line and holding the gate so hard they actively bring the gate to you so the second hold it's such a such a daft idea are you saying they're holding the door I nearly said it but then I didn't okay I didn't watch just checking but you knew I didn't know yeah I did know you're right that's all that matters and then and then there then there were this lot as well the free guild grenadiers who I think we've got just the coolest combination of weapons you get a big old get a big old like two-handed axe and then you use it as a stabilizer for your feel feel massive gun great idea until I look closer at that like the the blade of the axe kind of just like um melded in with the background and I was like oh yeah he's just got to stand for his gun then you're like oh yeah two-handed axe to hold your gun I was like oh my god that's a fucking axe the blade part is like the reticle yeah I even noticed that phenomenal I saw like a flamethrower guy earlier but I didn't notice that part oh yeah the flamethrower the flamethrower dude is uh is great complete with a handle so that he can pump more fuel in over his shoulder so good huge huge yeah I feel like of all the when it comes to the the AOS side of things cities of sigmar just got an insane range of very very cool things I feel like them and the imperial guard just got so much cool stuff um actually I've just remembered as well there was a we had horse heresy where you can have another version of the it was the spartan whatever so just a different a different type of spartan hey hey listen I know you're I know you're burying the lead screw that screw the spartans screw the little heavy carriers let's get to the ogren's kiriath we only got so much time that's insane we also have I'm bulging kit bash material or just using them for that oh yeah beautiful these are these are the guys these are the guys these are the way it's going down to the pub there go I mean look at the dude on the top right he literally is like oh it broves these guys fucking knife out and the two teeth going there I saw literally this man and nodding him when I was out going to war hammer world I was I was down in town nodding him in that place where like the streets converge in a one-spot and I saw the biggest fucking geezer out there shirt off soaking in the sun missing his front teeth football tattoos all across and a big old pint and and there he is on his day job keeping the keeping my emperor safe he's ready for the game against Manchester United he's gonna be he's ready what a guy crazy oh my god it's it's the yeah with the helmet up it's like average average millwall fan and then with the helmet down it's sci-fi mass murderer like the difference is insane I love the design of the helmets and the re-breather it just makes them look like they are actually for some reason kind of psychotic but I don't know why I think it's the tiny the tiny like visors for the eyes and then the fact that it's white instead of you know melded with the rest of the black metal makes it a bit skull like it's you know and red eyes always helps you make look always help something look like a little sinister and evil when you got glowy red eyes yeah yeah you know combining that with a fist that is just a bunch of like bullsaws and you've got yourself a proper you know sci-fi horror film oh yes I love the I love that that's so cool they're great they're awesome there's also some weapon platforms which were also fine that was the one where I was like they've the cool stuff already happened for this lot yeah you know happy happy for you or sad that it happened whatever man you know I didn't know that none of that was really interesting to me I know there are some folks that are excited about that but you know what the guard got enough already solar auxilia got some got some little fork with guns that's cool I guess those are kind of cool though they're fine they're neat I don't know yeah I dig it all right what else do we got well I mean we should probably mention some of the stuff they talked about for the new edition we've already hinted at the lack of circles and when I say hinted I mean I was about to say blowing ah hinted in one way you know blowing my shit smooth off smooth off when I tell I tell a lie earlier I said when that was revealed was like has anyone checked on Bricky the first thing that I said was there that it's like I heard a bunch of 40k merch stores cry out suddenly and then were silenced and then asked whether Bricky was okay because my first thing was oh boy I know a lot of people who sell those and yeah so essentially when you capture objectives in 40k you stand on a circle an objective marker and it's a very popular way of doing a bit of merchandising and stuff and you can you know you can get them from Games Workshop or you can get them from your favourite person who does Warhammer stuff and there's tons of unique designs and loads of different materials and none of that's going to matter soon because they're taking it away and instead it's going to be scenery that you stand on instead so yeah it's quite a big shift is there a reason that they did the scenery thing instead of just allowing you to have objective markers I would assume two reasons reason A would be so that they can make it more narrative focused which I do believe because having the giant circles are sometimes you know more narrative looking and sometimes not and secondarily I think it's also because then you can have a little bit of variety in how your objectives look having them be rectangles and squares and things like that or whatever it is could be a little bit different instead of just all being circles and the last one is maybe so they can sell more terrain which is also unsurprising yeah that's the doomer's take I love buddy yes that's the doomer's take which may or may not be true it's kind of like when people say like Games Workshop balances new stuff really really good so they will sell which is an objective lie just an absolute objective lie that's a confirmation bias extensively but like you know in this situation that might very much be to sell more terrain this is the thing as well there's lots of there's lots of really good scenery and terrain out there that has got nothing to do with Games Workshop I would argue that a good number of like there's a good number of you know just going to my mini factory people who do STLs and stuff have more interesting and fun things than Games Workshop have put out for quite some time so that side of things it's probably not necessarily so they can sell stuff because they're always going to have competition on that front and if anything scenery is going to be even harder to enforce copyright wise than you know like space marines you can't go I think you'll find that that ruined cathedral we own all ideas of you know cathedrals that even they can't get away with that but yeah I mean from what they've said like with the change to objective markers things like the stratagems you can't stack multiple stratagems on single units and stuff they have made they've made a sort of big deal about wanting it to be a more narrative experience even when they're doing in when it comes to like competitive play so that feels like the way they're trying to push it really I do like the idea of more narrative play that does sound like a good change yeah I mean that's a common complaint of 10th edition is that it lost a lot of the fluff and flavor of 9th which at 9th had a good bit of fluff and flavor now some people will be like oh man yeah ever since 8th edition the fluff has been going down I miss my blast templates and those people we put in a ditch and we bury them to the net I'm guessing you weren't a big fan of this blast template thing the templates are funny they're like fun to do but they caused so many arguments and they slowed the game back in the day people talked about playing warhammer and like if you played warhammer in 7th edition that was a sick like a 6 hour experience like you had to clear your whole day for things like that and so if you want to have like more traditional war game style stuff like that you can go play Horace Heresy because that's what most of that system is but 9th was fine I think I think 9th was really good with the flavor but 10th lost a lot of it so hopefully we can go back to that hell yeah maybe if I co-part enough the psychic phase will come back I mean they gave it to you for 1000s I play the elves sir thank you well maybe you should buy yourself some 1000s then come on pancreas you are right that being said you having three separate psychic disciplines in 9th edition elves was a lot I miss my three cakes oh goodness listen listen you can come last alright L-DAR and 10th have been disgusting grey knights of the next group there's also the just the sheer number of detachment so they can apparently launch with or like there's going to be 70 I believe they said 70? 70 new and updated yeah so I don't know how many of those are updated but they also said detachment because this was actually an article a little bit afterwards where detachment have a point value and so it's one two or three and so you get three points in a 2000 point game so if you were to run like let's say gladius task force which is the by far best space marine one probably will cost you three points whereas if you were to run say like I don't know like what's some guard ones like I don't know hammer of the emperor hammer of the emperor might be like a two cost one or like a one cost one because it's only for certain tanks versus something else so it's another balancing effort yeah it kind of feels like they're trying to make it so that you can actually make the thing that you want to make and not be in some way penalized for it which is one of those things that it sounds really good in sentiment but it kind of has to wait to how it works so no whether I do like the idea of the change to the actual objectives themselves of like what your army is aiming to do and their things being like victory conditions of changing so they've got there's force dispositions so you've got things like take and hold purge the full disruption reconnaissance and priority assets the force dispositions supposed to be part of like thematic mission objectives so if you're playing world eaters you don't necessarily want to be doing a whole we are going to come and take and hold this thing for the entire game because you're world eaters and you want to murder everything in sight and that's what your whole army is about and so if you're playing the army you will have something that reflects what that army is in terms of what's going to get you victory points because the whole thing for them is going to be wiping out enemy units which again it just feels a bit more narrative yeah yeah it's a little uncertain of course because you know what what actually occurs when you've got like five different dispositions that therefore have five you know they take and hold versus purge the full will have its own mission how that will go will be very questionable just because I know out the gate this is going to be fucking bad the first bit is going to be really rough and certain things are going to be obviously problematic but I think with time it probably will be pretty could be pretty let narrow that out also it helps that with detachments having a cost if detachments are way too good you just bring it up one oh it's a two detachment we'll make it a three it's too powerful that's fine there's definitely a little bit of a question mark there on that I will say one thing I really like to go ahead pancreas I was going to say it's I mean it's I'm more excited than not because I feel like this is when it's you know something new some interesting potential and it could you know lead to cool stuff it's if they flub I feel like it'll be more a case of like alright how do we fix it rather than you've just inherently made some crap right like this room did yeah I fully agree on that one there's definitely the ability to be like okay we'll make a change here I will say big they did reveal something not a Depticon but bit recently where secondaries now do not go away so normally for those of you who don't play much 40k when you play the game you hold on the objectives and you get primary points and then you get secondary points by drawing two cards every term and there are a lot of times where like let's say the first turn you get an object a card that says you know kill someone off an objective you're like well my opponents not on any objectives or behind enemy lines and you're like well I can't get behind enemy lines but they've made some changes to make those a little bit easier and sometimes let you redraw but sometimes you can still have a dead card and it really sucks now they make it so that you never discard your cards okay you don't have a hand size so if you draw two bad ones you just keep it for the whole match until the end and so you could have like six cards in your hand and score them all on one go and so that kind of removes a lot of inherent issues there there's of course the last two cards in the match which can always be a bit of a problem but that's a huge change because pulling like a assassinate turn one we have to kill a character and you're going first like it's just not possible you just lose lose the points that is cool you just keep them the whole time you can do whatever the hell you want that should be handy that and the change to charge as well they've sort of AOSFI charge a bit by having it roll and then declare which is so nice so nice that's sorry DK basically you had to be like okay I'm declaring a charge against these targets and you have to make it to any of them if one's a three inch one's a seven inch if you declare it to both you have to roll seven now you roll the charged dice and then pick where you go so if you drop the roll you can get somewhere closer or if you do what I have occasionally done which is like some kind of crazy charge you're like oh yeah I'm gonna charge these guys three inches away and I roll like a 12 and I'm like oh I kind of wish I could go gets over there yeah yeah yeah that's much better then that is significantly better yeah that one is a hell of a lot better there's also the fact that they're doing they're consolidating the phases where you charge everything and then you pile in every unit fight with everything and then consolidate every unit which I actually think is pretty good it gives a little bit more onus also on the opposing player because then if you let's say pile in two units into one enemy if you fight with one of them they can pull from one side which means that you can't fight as much with the other one so it makes the pile phase a little bit more important maybe a bit more interesting I don't know the last you know all these rules talks is coming dangerously close to making me feel positive dangerously we can't have that pancreas we can't almost excited for a minute now hang on you've almost got me hopeful we can't be having that nope no the um but that does seem that does seem interesting there's also did something where like if you are in a building you haven't shot yet you can't be shot outside of 15 inches or something like that oh yeah was hidden or something I think was it like only for turn one I wasn't don't remember that one too correctly but it was something like early on in the game basically yeah there's a maximum distance you can be shot from essentially it's like yet you have cover I don't know you're there kind of deal yeah the way they phrased it in the article is that many units can't be targeted until they themselves are shot or until the enemy is ventured very close making them less vulnerable to a first turn alpha strike so yeah it's again it feels like it feels like trying to add stopping things from being quite as vulnerable to certain to certain abilities but also if you've got guys that are hiding in a building and they haven't done anything to show where they are narratively it does make more sense that people can't shoot them because how would they know that they're there it's like it kind of does a double purpose in a way it also made me crash out again because then everyone in the chat goes rip towel like as if there's no other context for an entire edition change at all makes me lose my mind a little bit guy who's running nothing but basilisks crying right now yeah yeah yeah actually yeah you know fuck that guy actually Daniel you're a piece of shit Daniel you get what you deserve Daniel guys in asshole anyways but uh I mean for the most part I will say I am pretty positive every change preview looks good the only one that's a little bit iffy is that hidden rule but we have to see that one to be certain was there any other major ones Kiryoth there is being able to get out a tramsbol straight into combat yeah but I think you need to you need to combat disembark which means I think you lose models on a one and a two I don't think it's a good idea basically doable just not sensible true they did obviously some of the pre-orders came up the new defilers, the new custodies I have a custodie box waiting for me I was talking to people about the new custodies when I was at a weebcon this last weekend they're just I love the difference of having space marines be these like bodybuilder droid it out gorillas and then like the custodians look like like Roman athletes they look like slender more like endurance very like an actual athlete which I think works so much better for their to differentiate them because most people who don't know warhammer are like are those like just bigger space marines and I think the new sculpts really help kind of move you away from that vision yeah definitely also plastic oh it's plastic it's like yes finally we're here also new yarrick and on the subject of defilers I I don't have a problem but I did buy three I'm gonna move on from that I bought one I bought one but you know you know I want to put my money where my mouth is and like a lot of these new sculpts are awesome so I'm buying the new sculpts the same reason why I'm looking to get two collector boxes of secrets of Strixhaven and magic while I walk next to the guy with with tng mid-ninja turtles and Spireman I have flip him off and piss in his coffee because because edge of or edge of eternities or whatever the the space version of it was was like the best magic set I've in my lifetime I've been in the hobbies so hmmm slaps belly three times rubs it that new defiler looks so sick though I can't say as I blame you for buying three of them yeah well my first iron warriors army I had two and I figured the only way to possibly do better than that is to do three in another spin up updated it wasn't a good army but it was fun but it was worse you better hope they don't upgrade them again you're gonna have to get six of them they are like 250 points each so I'd be shocked if you run more than two but I have I'm dedicated to making terrible armies I'll commit that's true I did give you advice on your tank guard army and that was a rough one no what two super heavies and nothing else but leaving russies I didn't even care with the two super heavies I cared about the fact that you had no support for them and you didn't bring Leontis or anything so they were you were just raw dogging two bay blades no buffs no strategist moisturized Leontis isn't in a tank so I didn't buy you honestly curiosity pretty base I'm not gonna lie that is the proper way to list build my man but no I mean I mean outside of that oh oh okay one thing I will never ever in my life assume that this that I help do this but I'm going to take a little bit of credit for the hell of it um leaders always lead now you can't run them solo unless they're probably like a specific solo character like oh yeah I have been shouting for that forever because maybe I don't know if they'll do this maybe um you can then make it so that the leader has a points cost associated with the unit they're leading so my 85 fucking point techno man sir that can only be good leading rates can be 60 points leading immortals and have it be far more understandable I pray Praige? Yeah Praige, you can we get Praiges in chat yet? yep yep so I'm really hoping on that one because like the fact that you have an 80 point or whatever space marine judiciary leading blade guard is 80 points leading like regular intercessors is insane it's hell yeah oh my god okay fine man man let me rephrase this I was just trying to give you a hand man let me rephrase this it's really weird that like um a tank commander only orders certain things and then money points somewhere else right Keryoth? yep thank you agreed thanks Keryoth for moving it man buy the merch buy the merch buy the uh the coasters for your extra large stein goodness gracious I think we're probably as like caught up as we're going to be until they start talking about more stuff and more detail which you know probably take a while hang on you skipped over all the old world releases I'm not going to lie I forgot that there was old world there wasn't there was zero that's a damning insight as to just how much attention I tend to pay to all the world as a whole I genuinely for saying that I was like I don't remember that poor old world come on when the stream died for a bit the guy like the guy in charge was like alright so you know who she give a cheer for you know 40k AOS and people cheered and then someone in the crowd yelled old world and he was like oh yeah old world was like oh this is where I'm at this does not bode well for the releases no he does the first one he was awesome this is the thing I forget it exists and then they'll suddenly go and here's a bunch of really cool stuff and go oh man that rules oh yeah it's for old world and then as soon as it's gone as soon as the mask cleanses or the stream finishes I immediately like disassociate whatever the thing the thing was that was shown off from Old World and probably forget it exists again, which is not an indictment on it. I don't have time. I barely have time to play like 40 K and D and D. An age of Sigma. So it's not like I'm deliberately trying to, you know, ignore it. But I said, I just it has not. That is one thing that has simply not stuck in my brain, which is harsh because there's some really cool stuff in it. 40 K has become a live service for a lot of people, particularly Marine fans. And it's already such an extensive hobby that like being like, I can't wait to play the fantasy they killed before. It's just not going to happen. Endless. Well, when you put it like that, that 1000 centuries of humiliation for Old World. All right. I know we got some places to be any, any final thoughts, any, any last minute statements. God, you people by the merch. By the Merch Defiler looks cool. Flames are that. Yeah, coming soon. By you got one week to get the technical difficulties sure. And the brand new coaster. Enjoy yourself. Please buy them. Purchase Robo is coming. Woo. Can I do that? Wait, hold on. I love this. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah, no, just. Yeah, I just know. No, no, no. Yeah, it was kind of bad. That was not great. Yeah. Oh, it was like, okay. Like, you know, back in the this is an old one. Everybody remember the the yak back where you would talk into it and you can make a little reverb recordings and it's like, yep, yep. That's what it sounded like. Oh, um, uh, back. Me. Me. Accidentally messing up, putting the demon in the demon engine. All right, go away and the episode.