represented on this show. represented on this show. represented on this show. here. You can join me for your lunch hour. Good question on the text line. As we welcome in Patrick Tuey from the show me Institute. Pete, am I missing something? Have the royals even announced they want to move to Washington Square Park. I don't know. want this or is the city of Kansas City, Missouri, trying to pressure them into this move? Patrick, good morning. What do you think's going on? I think that is the exact right question, and I think nobody knows the answer. Well, the people who do know the answer won't tell us. Remember, we've heard for years from Missouri governors, from the mayor, from the Speaker of the House, from the Missouri legislature. What if the two governors now, Parsson and Kehoe, the team has to make, has to tell us what they want, and they haven't done that. And it must be very frustrating if you're a politician, you're afraid of losing a team, you want to negotiate, look, we'll give you anything you want, and yet the team just isn't telling you what they want. So I don't know, I have no insider knowledge, but I would completely believe that this is just the mayor trying to make an offer to bring the royals to the table, but they weren't there at the announcement of this package. They've issued some statements that are supportive, but not endorsements, and it's kind of what we've heard for two years. So again, there's news going on, the paper has it, the TV and radio stations talk about it, we're talking about it. I just don't know if this is more of the same, or if this actually means something. Well, Brooke Sherman, not John, no relation. He runs now, I think the real estate side of things for the royals, he was there yesterday, so nice one to show up when they want to give you $600 million, but he was there yesterday. So then how do you think this plays out from here with the council vote tomorrow? I mean, I think it's going to pass with flying colors. I don't think there's anyone who's going to stand in the way. So then the question is, when it passes council tomorrow, is there a push to get this on a ballot from people that collect signatures? What does that look like? And is that potentially an option here? Okay, those are all good questions. Yes, I think you're right. I think there may be only three people on the council who vote against it, if it's voted on tomorrow. And that just kind of authorizes the city manager to start the process of making a deal. Like there's a lot more to come on this. And maybe the royals have been so burned on deals that they're just going to keep quiet on the specifics until they can see what the city can offer. But as far as referenda, as far as a public vote, I'm sure there will be lots of people who demand to vote. But you know, this mayor who talks so much about loving democracy and no kings and all that type of stuff is perfectly happy to thwart the will of the people to vote on something. I mean, you've reported for years, the whole point of going through the city is that the teams and the council do not want a public vote. They don't want the people invested, which again, seems to be a crazy position to be in. If you're Quentin Lucas, I wish more people would press him on that. But we don't know. I wish I had information. I wish I had some secret knowledge. But this looks to me from the outside to be more of what we've done over the past two years, which is we get these trial balloons, we get these things that look like its movement, that looks like it's telling us. And it turns out in the end, until the royals decide what they want. And I don't know that they know what they want. All of this is just kind of Kabuki theater. Patrick Tuys with the Show Me Institute on KCMO. So what right now is the biggest concern you have about this proposal? If I had details, I could be critical of it, right? But now we don't even have any details. So for example, the star reported that part of the funding will come out of the general funds. Well, does that mean we're redirecting some of that precious earnings tax money to the royals? The money that we said, we've already been told we're running a 55 plus million dollar deficit that if we cut the earnings tax, we'll lose all this and that. And yet they somehow find $600 million. Are we going to be on the hook for the bonds? Spoiler alert, yes we are. If this thing fails to generate enough funds to pay down the debt, just like we are with the power and light district, is this going to require the city to raise taxes in the future to pay those commitments we've made to bondholders? Are we going to have to cut other funds? I mean, again, this is such a amorphous deal. I suspect whatever it looks like, it's bad. But now I don't even have the luxury of knowing what to complain about, I guess. All right, so give me something optimistic. What are you optimistic about if anything right now? Give me something good. I love, frankly, that people at the meeting yesterday who I'm going to guess are reliably left of center, we're talking about the economic research, we're talking about that we know from decades of research from around the country that these stadiums don't generate economic impact. I'm glad that people on the left and right may work together on whatever comes next. I think that's great. And I love the idea that people in Kansas City are kind of irritated that this isn't being brought together for a public vote. So, you know, we spend so much time talking about how we're ideologically separated and we hate each other, but here's an opportunity where in the past and maybe again in the future, people of all sorts of ideological views want to have a vote, want to hold their representatives accountable and just want to say we want to pass judgment on whatever this deal is. I think that's optimistic. So, how surprised are you by the lack of actual journalisming going on with this over the last week or so? Because I've seen the star do a little bit. I mean, you know, I think I've sat here and at least asked reasonable questions. I'm not like an investigative journalist or something, but you know, I've talked to people and used my sources to get some information out there. You've obviously done some of this, but I mean, we've got four TV stations and we have some great reporters at our local TV stations. I just haven't seen it done en masse yet by a lot of Kansas City media. I see a lot of cheerleading. I hear a lot of cheerleading. I hear let's interview Bob walking out of Johnny's downtown and get his thoughts with his oil's boxer briefs on, but like, I'm not hearing a lot of this and I don't know why. So that's a great question. I will single out, you know, Sam McDowell and Kason Bayless at the Star have done a great deal of reporting. Sam McDowell, I think is always sure to include a paragraph saying, by the way, all the studies for years show that these things don't drive economic development, especially if you're moving a stadium from one part of the city to another. I suspect, frankly, that the city doesn't have answers to the questions that these reporters may ask. I suspect that council members are just being, are just voting in favor because that's what the mayor tells them to do. Maybe they believe he's got some secret knowledge. Maybe they believe he's having secret calls with Royals leadership and they take him at his word. But I think you can report the questions and you can report kind of the broad outlines of, you know, economic research and stuff like that. But I suspect there aren't a lot of answers to be had. Again, it lines up with my idea that the Royals really haven't been a part of this. This is just city trying to jumpstart negotiations by making an offer kind of out of desperation. But I don't know. And if I were a journalist, I don't know where I would go to get those answers other than the mayor. And we know he doesn't like to give people substantive answers on these things. Well, I'll do my best for you tomorrow morning when he comes on my show. Yeah, good luck. You know, he'll tell you it's a negotiation, you know, we can't release details because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, it's going to be the same BS we've heard for two years more. Ultimately, until the Royals put together a term sheet, until we know what they're willing to spend, then all of this is just BS, to be honest with you. All right, last thing I got about a minute here. Since day one, I've often said whether it's about the Huntson, Kansas, this deal for potentially the Royals. I don't have an issue with the teams asking for everything. They're a business, they're looking out for themselves, they're allowed to do that. My issue has always been with the politicians bending the knee. Is that where you're at? Or do you say no, it's both sides? I look, I certainly get it. If you own a business of any kind, you've got a responsibility to your share owners to get the best deal, and if the city is willing to be a fool, you know, then all the better for you. The problem I have in this type of negotiation is that if you're a private developer, you can control who you're negotiating with. You give campaign funds, you give Royals tickets, you give Super Bowl tickets to the people you're negotiating with, you're allowed to kind of soften up the other side because we live in a democracy. That's the real problem. Not that these guys are asking for it, but the broader system allows the chiefs, the Royals, or anyone else to kind of soften up the battlefield. And so you go in and you're negotiating, I'm making air quotes, you're negotiating with people that you give money to. That's absolutely corrupt. You can say lower KC corrupt, but it's absolutely corrupt. And I think people understand it immediately. And I think this mayor has a particular problem accepting gifts from the people he's negotiating with and then trying to keep it secret. I mean, that's reported. That's documented. We know that to be true. I think people left or right in Kansas City should be really troubled by that. Patrick Tuhey, bringing it on KCML. Thanks for being here, my friend. Hey, it's my pleasure. 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