Adam Friedland Joins the Old Boys Club
52 min
•Mar 19, 20263 months agoSummary
Dana Carvey and David Spade interview comedian Adam Friedland about his talk show inspired by Dick Cavett's long-form interview format. The conversation explores the evolution of late-night television, the comedy industry's changing landscape, and Adam's approach to interviewing politicians and public figures without pretending to be an expert.
Insights
- Long-form conversational formats outperform traditional talk show structures by allowing authentic personality to emerge rather than relying on scripted segments and movie promotion clips
- Late-night talk show revenue has collapsed by 50% post-pandemic, indicating fundamental shifts in how audiences consume entertainment and celebrity content
- Comedians increasingly leverage large platforms (podcasts reaching 10x CNN's daily audience) but should resist positioning themselves as authorities on topics outside their expertise
- Podcast ad integration works when ads become part of the show's comedic content rather than interruptions, creating audience loyalty despite irrelevant products
- SNL's hiring process prioritizes handling live TV pressure and adaptability over polished road act performance, with writing ability valued over stand-up skill
Trends
Resurgence of Dick Cavett-style long-form interviews as antidote to fragmented modern media consumptionDecline of traditional late-night TV economics forcing networks to reconsider talk show format viabilityPodcasts becoming primary platform for political discourse and celebrity interviews, displacing traditional broadcast mediaComedians pivoting from stand-up to talk show/interview formats to build sustainable income and audience engagementAudience preference for authentic, unscripted conversations over heavily produced entertainment segmentsYounger comedians viewing established comedians as mentors and cultural touchstones despite generational gapsPolitical content in comedy shifting from partisan commentary to secular trend analysis and human-interest questioningStreaming platforms (Netflix, Disney+) fragmenting entertainment consumption and reducing network TV dominance
Topics
Long-form interview format design and audience engagementLate-night television economics and revenue declinePodcast monetization through integrated advertisingSNL audition process and writer-performer dynamicsStand-up comedy career trajectory and club culturePolitical interviewing without expert positioningDick Cavett Show influence on modern talk formatsComedy special production and distributionGenerational differences in comedy and entertainmentStreaming vs. broadcast television competitionComedian mental health and imposter syndromeFemale comedians breaking into male-dominated spacesCorporate event comedy and audience dynamicsPodcast format sustainability and audience loyaltyEntertainment industry decline in Los Angeles
Companies
Netflix
Discussed as platform for comedy specials and streaming entertainment competing with traditional broadcast
Disney+
Mentioned as streaming platform offering entertainment content and original series
Happy Madison Productions
Adam Friedland mentioned watching every Happy Madison production, indicating prolific output in comedy films
Saturday Night Live (SNL)
Extensively discussed regarding audition process, hiring, and career launching for comedians
CBS
Referenced as network where 'Just Shoot Me' was produced during the era of studio lot production
CNN
Mentioned in context of podcast audience reach comparison and political commentary platforms
People
Adam Friedland
Guest discussing his Dick Cavett-inspired talk show format and approach to long-form interviews
Dana Carvey
Co-host of the podcast interviewing Adam Friedland about comedy and entertainment industry
David Spade
Co-host discussing SNL history, comedy careers, and entertainment industry evolution
Dick Cavett
Referenced as inspiration for Adam Friedland's talk show format and long-form interview approach
Rob Schneider
Discussed as part of SNL cohort and Happy Madison Productions collaborator with Adam Sandler
Adam Sandler
Referenced extensively regarding comedy career trajectory and Happy Madison film production
Nick Mullen
Co-host of Cumtown podcast with Adam Friedland, known for character work and improvisation
Stav Halkias
Co-host of Cumtown podcast, continues touring while others transitioned to talk show format
Sarah Sherman
Discussed as friend and contemporary comedian known for bold, unconventional comedy special
Lorne Michaels
Referenced regarding SNL audition process and his role in evaluating comedians for the show
Richie Torres
Guest on Adam Friedland's talk show who had political disagreement during interview
Jeff Ross
Referenced as roastmaster at charity event where Adam Friedland performed roast material
Richard Kahn
Had Adam Friedland on his talk show and invited him to co-host charity roast event
Steve Martin
Referenced as comedy legend that Dana Carvey was nervous to meet early in career
Buster Keaton
Dana Carvey mentioned being on set with Buster Keaton as a child actor in 1936
Quotes
"They say comedians are modern day philosophers, which is offensive to modern day philosophy. You know, there are actual smart people in the world."
Adam Friedland (referencing Norm MacDonald)•Early in episode
"The platforms are so big now, like 10 times more people are listening to Rogan every day than watching CNN. Anything."
Adam Friedland•Mid-episode
"I don't want to speak from a position of authority in any way that I don't qualify. Instead, I could rather like talk to someone and ask them questions that I feel comfortable asking."
Adam Friedland•Mid-episode
"Long form interviews with like Robert Mitchum, these old timey movie stars for like an hour. It's so good and then you're hearing the sirens, tiny audience."
Adam Friedland (on Dick Cavett Show)•Early-mid episode
"Late night talk shows took in about 485 million pre pandemic between all of them. Now it's like 50% less. Hundred ninety."
Adam Friedland•Mid-episode
Full Transcript
The mayor has been destroying himself as a cocktail waitress at night. I'm just, I thought that it was the old boys club. I thought this was the kind of stuff you guys said. I go to one of these Korean barbecues. He's like, would you believe it? They make you cook your own food. He's like, I sure hate to go to one of them Korean whorehouses. Wait, oh, why don't you come over here and suck your own dick? They say comedians are modern day philosophers, which is offensive to modern day philosophy. You know, there are actual smart people in the world. If we meet, I will go just on my knees and just fill in public, in private. Done. Okay, you know, we always say we're not going to do these things, but let's do it. All right, Dana, we had Adam Freeland and he's on today. We talked to him. He's got a podcast that, you know, is out there does well. He's a funny guy. He's actually a comedian, but he does a lot of some politics, some comedian stuff, sort of a mixed bag, right? Yeah, it's very interesting. He's, he loves Dick Cavett or his set is kind of based on Dick Cavett, a talk show from the 1970s. Yeah, I barely remember, but yeah. And he kind of lays back. He's got a really kind of likable personality. He's kind of pithy. He's a little bit political and then he'll say stuff that's slightly off kilter and so it's very interesting. Yeah, he kind of catches people off guard on his show because they don't really know where he's coming from. And Buddy's a comic at the root of it all and he knows us and we brought him on and we had a good chat with him. Actually some good laughs, you know, you never know what you're getting really, but if we can get some good laughs. Yeah, and it's flattering when you meet younger comedians who are kind of like excited to meet us and asking us a couple of questions. That was interesting. But yeah, he's a very charming young man and I enjoyed it. I'm here. He is Adam Freeland. Don't get mad. I have to text the whole podcast. No, I'm done. OK. You're texting. I'm trying to get spots. No, I'm kidding. Sandler's listening to this podcast. So every time his name is mentioned. You stop guys. I say, Tha Ba Thu just as a signal to that Adam. Yeah. This Adam is on. It's like the ear tug. The Mary Tyler Moorer ear tug to her mother. Carol Burnett, Carol Burnett, Carol Burnett. Jesus, we come for this on off track. I'm blowing it right now. We can get out of 45. Oh, my God, it's impossible. My penis is exposed to the school. Everyone's laughing at me right now. You guys are I just I'm a huge fan. I mean, like it's very cool to me, you guys. I I do it. Likewise, I meet I meet people and I'm not nervous around anyone. Literally, I I'm I have I've seen delusions of grandeur. I really don't know. I'm a narcissist. But like around you guys is like it's it's it is but an honor. I've been a fan my entire lives of the both of yous. So we haven't had someone. Thank you. We want to hear the whole compliment. Yeah. For the first time, we've never that we kept our mouths shut. We don't want to interrupt that flow. But yeah, I was the same way. We're just I'm up the ladder from you. So when I met Steve Martin or something, I just green. Yeah. When he met us or Keaton, you know about she. She's she was. Do you know who's that? Oh, she's she was he was he raped like half of anyway. We're going to go to commercial and come back. Anyway, Adam will be back with Hollywood rape stories with her. Guess how Dana was on the set as a child when when Buster Keaton was hanging off the clock. Oh, oh, really? Yeah. BK BK. I said, man, that's too high. 1936. I don't know. It's all right. I got ring lights. I got a mic under here. Yeah. This is your grandpas podcast. But anyway, let's go back to compliments. What do you what do you like best about what floats your boat about David Spade? Yeah, nothing, nothing at all. I'm talking to you. Just shoot me. Yeah. So we got I mean, I I've I've seen a hundred, maybe a hundred, probably a hundred movies with you. I mean, I've seen literally probably every single every single Happy Madison production. I've literally it's a very important thing for me and my group of friends. I had a I had a a Schneider on on my talk. I saw that episode. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. What are you talking about? I a schnauzer. Yeah, I had a small dog. He's a he's a he's a tall glass of water. That boy Schneider. I just I had no idea. He was like he was he was he's like day. I thought I was five. You. Yeah. When I was I was like six, eight. Schneider looks so huge on camera. He has a on camera. He's a Titan. I'm telling you what, though, whatever the numbers are, the confidence Rob has as a person going in the room. And he's the only one that I don't know. Sandler shit and stuff. Yeah. That confidence makes you taller or makes you bigger. It makes you forget, you know. Yeah. I know. I went to AC to see Sandler perform and Schneider opened for him for my friend's bachelor party. And I told Rob, I really I loved his closer. It happened to be one of the one of the only non political jokes. You're being arrested. No, I live in New York City. It's a hellscape. It's a violent hell anti-Semitic hellscape. I don't garbage on the streets. That's what I heard. So that's not Nick. Yeah, they don't have alleyways. The city planning they didn't factor in alleyways. So we have garbage on the streets. But you've got ma'am Danny now to kind of he promised. He's my friend. Yeah. Friends. Oh, good. Good. I'm going to say nice things. No, I probably grew up watching you guys as well. I mean, he's he's it's the first like a leader that I met where it dawned on me that he's like of my generation. Right. And it was like, yeah, we were like talking about like hip hop and like soccer. Like we suck. I have a question. Like the wave was millennial men. That the question. So this is kind of what I gather because I saw your precursor for your show and you had a CRT television. You know, when you do your little preamble up front. Yeah. And you also look like you were filming it from something deconstructed from the 80s or 90s. That segment there was a wash over it. It was kind of dull, but it felt very retro. And I find that people who have came through the analog age, the end of it, went into the digital age, have nostalgia for that era. Like when you were a little kid, right? So is that like an emotional touch point for you? Like, do we also trigger that with you? Watching us when you're like 12, 10, 12. You're triggering something. You can't see, you can't see down here. No, but no, that that is modeled after a reference image. So the show is kind of modeled after cavit. So it's like a long form talk show, right? So it's a it's the attempt was to like revive some I do a talk. I don't know. I've seen it many, many times. I think you're great at it. I love it. And I and I love the dick cavit reference. I think dick cavit has only gotten shiny and brighter as we go forward. I mean, his long form interviews with like Robert Mitchum, these old timey movie stars for like an hour. It's so and then you're hearing the sirens. You're hearing the sirens. Tiny audience. So I'll watch it on YouTube some nights. I'll just go on a dick cavit run. You know, yeah, they really they age so well. And yeah, the thing that's cool about it was because of the format of like long form interview and it like free flowing conversation. You could see a famous person for who they are as a guy. You know, totally. And and talk shows nowadays, it's it's I don't even know if they make money for the networks anymore. Like, yeah, it's yeah, it's like, tell me your vacation, your story about losing your luggage and then what's the movie and then this is the clip. And it's like there are these like kind of like weird like legacy like products that just exist because they have to be there. It's super surfacing. I mean, in the old days, I don't even know when they invented boredom. It was probably like late 80s because Tom Schneider show was again, just like he had Dan Ackradon, they would talk for 45 minutes straight. It was like no commercials. And you would learn a lot. You're right. It would go a little deeper than just I heard you bought a dog recently and then you do your dog. Yeah. And he also had Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer and really enemies and fights and weirdness would happen on dick cavit and real tension, you know. But yeah, the talk shows dying. It basically late night talk shows took in about 485 million pre pandemic between all of them. Now it's like 50% less. Hundred ninety. You know that? How is that crazy? I'm in his room. I'm curious. I love these machines. I love the research stuff. Yeah, I love money. Yeah. Yeah. I know nothing. I know nothing about money. I don't know. The objective really was just to like do not. I did a podcast for so long that was like quite successful and come down. Come down. Nick Mullen, who's a kinder spirit. I think he's a great improviser doing characters and impressions. I thought you guys played on the other. Yeah. And Savros. So yeah, there's a great chemistry between you three. Yeah, it was it was kind of like just a friendship simulator, I guess, for people because it's like you don't see people listening to a podcast. So you're kind of in a living room and then like once you stop recording, then you start having the argument about what to have for lunch. It's kind of like it feels like you're in a living room with friends hanging out. It was either overtly performative with Nick would do impressions or it was so lo-fi and the way you guys would even dress in your whole body language. And sometimes you get really tight on the mic and kind of talk really soft. And so it drew you in. But my question for you is this. You didn't do ads, right? We did. Yeah, we did ads and pay to do the worst ads. Yeah. OK. We do the absolute worst ads ever. Like we had Boner Pill companies, which are like literal pharmaceuticals. We'd make really just irresponsible claims. We had no idea why they were like signing up still. But I think because the ads became part of the show, they become like your party. Well, you know, they're in a meeting one day going, did you know these guys from Come Town are goofing on our know, they're not getting more town. No, no, seriously, I think because people skip the the reeds, right? I hate ads. I hit the 30 second skip. Yeah, we love our our advertisers. But go ahead. No, I mean, you're you guys. I mean, some of the worst. I mean, you barely know how to read. But yeah, I mean, no, but genuinely, we were working two hours a week and then Stav is still doing the road. Nick and I got really lazy. Lazy than two hours a week. Well, yeah, I didn't have to work. I mean, I stopped doing stand up kind of. It's just like, yeah, I thought I sucked also. I was kind of like the like, like neb-ish of the show. You know, Nick is like the funniest guy ever. And Stav is one of the funniest guys ever. Like, you know, I was like, oh, I'm just like the gay, like the gay Jew. You know, and then with this with this show, it's like kind of it's just a series of accidents. I think it started off as a joke to make me into like a public intellectual. Like, and you're in the new constant or they said, oh, yeah, who's they? I'm not I'm going to blow it. I'm not like literally I'm just wearing glasses. I mean, they think I'm something that I'm not just wearing. Really, I'm a stupid guy. Like, but beyond that, like, yeah, this is this requires a lot of effort. And like the scary thing about trying is that if you try as hard as you can, you can find out that you have no talent. Yeah. 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What kind of apartment like could I get as kind of a casual acquaintance of the mayor now through you? If I wanted to one bedroom in the village, nice, you know, what could I get it for if we connected through Danny? I don't think the mayor does real estate. Okay, that's an answer. Maybe I was probing. I was just probing in case we know Lord Michaels. Here's a question. I would be funny if he had a side. Yeah, he had to get a side job. Still does open houses. Yeah, he's a real estate agent. The mayor has been destroying himself as a cocktail waitress at night. Yeah. He's in trouble. Yeah. Would you have aspirations for SNL or have ever thought about it? That or were you I mean, as a kid, it was the coolest thing in the world. But I think I'm kind of too old probably now. I'm 38. Phil are the thing going. But I'm very close with like like Sarah's and Sherman. She's like one of my good friends. At the mayor's spade. I know you guys, you guys are friends, right? I absolutely awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All she has is yelling. Sarah's like, I don't take that shit from her. What the fuck does she know? I can't know what is she done with her life? She just weren't man. I'm like, what are you my boss? No, I mean, she's like one of that's that's like fan. Well, we love her. Can we talk about her special a little bit? I watch it the other night. I was there. I was there for the day. You were there. It's the wildest thing and it's only her could do. And I was just her commitment to being bananas is so good. Yeah. And attacking the audience. Go ahead. Yeah. I think women can I think women can do it. I think they could do comedy. I for a long time we doubted it, but I thought, you know, this is just a recent thing. I think the chance. Yes. Like a lot of male or female. This is an X rated haunted house. How many of them are funny show? What? How many? I don't even get a woman. A thousand million. I'm just kidding. They're funnier than us. Of course. They tell great stories. Well, no, I'm just making fun of Sarah. Oh, no, we had to we had to give it up. But we were in that mode back in the 80s for, you know, nor done didn't think they were represented. And then all of a sudden, Shari O'Terry and Tina Fey and Christine Wigg. And, you know, that the women kind of took over the show. Yeah, they did. In some ways. I'm just I don't I thought that it was the old boys club. I thought this was kind of stuff you guys said. I don't even believe that. You do it during women are fabulous. Now, and so funny. And their stories, they really go somewhere and they're really interesting. And they went to CVR. Are you are you reading a lot? Where are you getting this point of view? Oh, this is just top of top of his head. I just sign all that. I mean, I'm tease. I don't believe that. So I'm in your frequency right now. I get all my Sarah, but Sarah's special is disgusting and revolting. And yes, it's so fun. And she's she's so she's so she's a singular voice. And she's she's a lovely friend. And you when you when it's kind of sickening. I know it's disgusting. Really, it sounds like I'm like trying to molest you or something. Yeah, I'm like molesting with compliments. Yeah, you're like there is more stand up. Is kind of boring a lot of time. I don't know. You know, when you hate everybody, I hate it. I masturbated in front of my cat and the elbows on the mic. And Sarah never is boring. She walks out and goes to this guy. You act like you don't have a butthole. That's like, I'm like, OK, she's she's already got us. She's doing stuff that's very different, very hard to find. Well, I liked it with she took the Seinfeld riff and she would press a button. Doodle. I didn't know you could do that. Like I thought I'm going to go, you can't have it. No. Sorry, Jerry. She doesn't get in trouble for doing that. Right. Would you clear that, Adam? I had to talk to Jerry. Yeah, as a lawyer and Netanyahu. I had to talk to both of them. They're fine now. Did you hear my joke that I was saying that all my exes got a podcast now? It's called Didn't Come Town. Really? Check a bomb. Oh, don't don't say that. I'm sure they were. Yeah, I'm going to do the Seinfeld base for the rest of the podcast. I saw a video recently of how they did it. And it was a synthesizer. I thought my entire life was a flat base. Yeah. Don't. Okay. There's a YouTube video of the composer with the music. Yeah, it's all. Yeah. And he's doing it live to the episode. No. Yeah. But it blew my mind. It was like, I thought, yeah, I thought I'm so old. I was on the lot at CBS reference when we were doing Just Shoot Me. Oh, a couple of people remember. And also they were doing Seinfeld. And I'd see him on his bike. It was the greatest lot. Of course, just filed for bankruptcy. The lot terrifying in LA. Thanks, Karen Bass. Thanks, Gavin. Your friends. I'm kidding. Whoops. Who is that? I don't know. I'm just trying to put blame. Yeah. The Hollywood industry is dying. He's on your show. Yeah. I'm the beef up fucking Hollywood. Bring it back. Who's going on? I'll send me a list. I'm going to say this is a great idea. I'll text you some ideas because we'll get this back in track. It's Gavin. Listen. Is that a guess? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have a three big ones. Yeah. The Hollywood studio system is dying. The amount of productions is dying. And so they have to do something. So more production comes back and that starts with negotiating with the union and also subsidizing, you know, the industry tax breaks to compete with Romania, Boston, Atlanta, Romania, Bulgaria, Zanzibar. So do you like put it in an email or maybe a video? Oh, yes. If you guys are saying it, you guys are legends, he might be like, oh, you should say we have a question from a couple of constituents. And then I'll go ahead. Hey, man. Hi, I'm Dana. Listen, you're ready. Lost Schneider. You don't want to lose them. What? They're pointing our water. No, you were saying his last joke isn't political. Oh, the Korean. Yeah, the Korean barbecue joke. What is it? I don't know. It sounds like. He's like, I go to one of these Korean barbecues. He's like, would you believe it? They make you cook your own food. He's like, I sure hate to go to one of them Korean whorehouses. Wait, oh, why don't you come over here and suck your own dick? Why don't you come over here and fuck your own ass? It's just it's so stupid. Well, I love you guys. I love you guys. I love you guys. You ready for Adam? I love fake. Outbreak. So great. They make you suck your dick. Well, no, they don't. He's like, it's kind of lazy. That's a little bit lazy. Here's one of his jokes. We just saw him on his first letterman. We were all friends. Actually, Sandler, me, Judd, we were all friends right before we all got married, so we just stand up in the valley and shit. And and Schneider was the first one to get letterman. We all love fucking letterman, of course, and the show. And so he got it and I was on TikTok the other day. And it was so he had such a funny, unique look. He looked like a little cowboy shirt and he had a big pompadour. And he's like, did he do Elvis? He did Elvis on a fish hook. And he did Elvis on a fish hook. That got him SNL. I think. Yeah, I think that was so weird. Well, he did how you say, dude, when you're in LA, there's different ways of saying it. He had one where he goes, my parents, when I one time they spilled. I spilled like, no, no, he hit his knee on the coffee table and he was a little kid and his mom would hit the coffee table and go, bad coffee table, bad. And and then he'd feel better because she goes, we make it even here. You were bad. And so he goes to bed and then his dad wakes him up at two in the morning. Hey, Rob, your mom just spilled some hot oil on the coffee table. Come on out here. We got to make it even. You know our policy. So was he the first like breakout of your of your crew? Did I say it wrong? There's no. I've worked with him in San Francisco. I maybe know. I mean, like when you guys were all like before. I think no, yeah. Spade and Schneider came as like a duo somehow. And we got hired together. We were we auditioned at the same time, got hired as writers. Adam, I think, was doing remote control. So I think he was sort of known a little bit in that world of MTV, which is a big world back then. Yeah, he was on MTV. He struggled. I am poor boy. He struggled for, I think it was like 13 weeks when he got to New York and then he got a TV show. So yeah, I had a lot of stuff going on. I'm not. Yeah, undeniable. But yeah, I knew Rob and well from San Francisco and then that's spade and LA. So and Dennis Miller, we both knew them and sort of helped the tacitly. How about these guys? And then you only had like 10 minutes, right? At the time, David or 15. Yeah, probably 15. I was not a headliner for shows, maybe a middle. They came in as writer features, basically. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't a writer either. It could. That was a. You couldn't even get a writing. It could. For your audition, just stand up. He's talking on me or Dana. What? Yeah. What would you guys do? Like, I think I know what did you do? And I think did characters. You did characters, right? Well, yeah, yeah. Basically chatting in between. But but I was seen in a club, which was lucky because I auditioned for SNL, the comedy store and a cattle call and followed Sam Kenneson with no MC in between at midnight and bombed epically. And the SNL people were there, but not Lauren. And then later on, Lauren was the show was coming around. So I went to a small club on the West side and Lauren came with share. And I got to do 40 minutes to stand up with a regular audience. But I still had to audition again. Jim Carrey was there too. And Phil Hartman at the studio and stand in front of maybe five cast members. Love It's Nora Dunn, Dennis Miller, Lauren, Michael, some assistants and do kind of chatty stand up, you know, just into a character. Did you get laughs? Like the thing is you get no laughs, right? Not in that one, not with Lauren, everybody. You just have to really wrecking. Well, I done chop them. I did something and then there was a fire alarm. So there was 10 minutes of nothing. What? I'm standing there. And then Lauren goes, Oh, is that pretty much do you have anything else? Or is that just a song? Is that all of these? And I thought later that his aloof coldness was trying to find out. Can you take live TV and not blow it? Because the tension was, I think, intentionally ratchets it up to make you nervous and see if you can handle it. I said, I got a lot more bitch. And then he went, Oh, you're like, I'm just waiting to see if there's a real fire. Can we leave? Well, Sarah actually, speaking of our friend Sarah, she's in the middle of her second show taping the lights fucked up. And she she was like, she had a ton of momentum. The lights fucked up. And then she had to come back out cold. And I it was giving me heart palpitations. Like as a comic, because it's like it's a it's a special taping. Yeah. And I was like, I was like nauseous. I like wanted to throw up. She had to get the fucking momentum back. And I was like, I was so stressed out. It was a goiter. Yeah. I said she's dressed as a goiter or some bitch. She's doing some sort of clowns psycho. We want to go. This is like literally a clown's outfit. She goes, I know I go, you have any normal? Do you have a fucking, you know, pencil dress? She's one of those people would be like, take one day to know her and 20 years to believe it. You know, because that's really that's really her. Yeah. She's really she's not putting on a thing. I mean, on stage, that's not really her. She's an annoying Jewish girl in real life. But on stage, but that's so her. So her in the sense of what she wants to do. It's it's so it's a humor. Yeah. You know, but anyway, that God, David, what did you what did you do? Oh, I just. Much. Just say that. Didn't really knock the Richter scale. I did supposed to be doing 20. I think catch a rising star. It was a light crowd, probably half SNL, try 10 people and then a half. 10 other people. And I did. I did 12 minutes, I think, because it wasn't going that well. And then and then Schneider. The honest and all for Babson. Yeah. Well, they had seen me on the young comedian special. So I was already foot in the door and we had the extra push of being with Bernie Brillstein and that company had a lot of SNL people. Lauren Michaels was a client. And they got Dana, Dana newest and a little bit and Dennis push. So that'll help. And then Dennis was saying, they're going to mostly look at your writing of the jokes, not really if you're a polished road act. And so I think they just liked that it was like sort of a weird act. And I looked a little younger. They paid like normal like that. He didn't say like that. That was like Hannibal crossing the Alps chat. She he didn't say it like that way. He said, he did say before I went out, he goes, normal. You got, I go, I'm a little nervous. And he goes, well, don't worry. Because he goes, you don't want to kill too hard. They're going to think you're some polished road dog shit act. And I go, so don't do well. And they're like, and you're on. I'm like, wait, don't get loud. So I go on and and then I got off and I'm like, fuck it. And then Schneider went on and Tom Kenny went on. And then we got to call a couple of days later on a pay phone, old man alert. And then they were like, we were waiting for a call like in a line. Matrix. Yeah. And they go, oh, it was like someone from Brillstein saying. Gerberts or someone saying, oh, the good news are going to hire you as feature player writers. I'm like, I don't want to write it. It's going to be a honest fucking show. And then they go, you got to write for everybody. Like, Dan, everyone's better than us. I'm like, I don't know how to write for these guys. I don't want to write a sketch. So it took a long time, especially for me. Rob picked up a little quicker. Samlin picked up very quick. And David would sit behind me in the read through. We're all reading the scripts and there's like 50. Die, die. And then Lauren would always say to me, just to mess with me. David's ready whenever you fall. David's right there. Because David, you know, we kind of look like we're from the same tribe. He's my little brother or whatever. So it was a natural thing of like, it was like being in the quarterback room with like Brett Farve and you're like, hey, so you're going to stick around another year. And he's like, I think that one way. And me, I'm like, well, that's great. And they say, I got to get, you know, they're giving great massages here at the Jets. So I got to stay around for another year. Remember his wiener. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I still talk to his wieners sometimes. Now I'm kidding. He's in his wiener around. Remember this one time he sent it to some sports reporter? Oh, yeah. Early dick pic drama. Are you an artist? Not really. Yeah. Oh, him. Oh, I didn't do this, but I've. Well, on a side, I put in Adam Freeland and then it went to it said tour this and that and then it showed these really cool. Paintings. He is not. Oh, yeah. I'm not. No, during COVID, I just painted a little bit. You have there's a painting of George W. Bush getting the word about 9-11. Yeah, I think that was the best one I did. You did do those two. Yeah, I do. And then you did the comedian. My friend. Oh, yeah. And you did the comedian crying or whatever, which. Which was. I don't. You host. Oh, yeah. I did this. Steve Harvey. Yeah, the Steve Harvey. Okay. So I thought, where am I? This was a weird site. So, okay. All right. Hidden talents is that I don't even know that that's still up on the Internet. Yeah. Yeah. I did it. I did. I should get rid of that. Is Epstein still alive? Five seconds. Go Epstein still alive. You have five seconds. Well, if he's still alive, then he's he's quite rudely ghosting me. Quite rudely. He's getting bad press lately. Have you noticed? He's, you know, it's just this anti-semitism has gone out of control. You know what? It is. If he's alive, he's going to need one of those crisis PR people, I think. He definitely will. He's digging out a hole. Just as evil as possible. Yeah. Anti-semitism is out there, man. Yeah. Actually, I did a show and it was like the worst show of my life. Right. But it was like, sorry. Richard Kahn did my talk show and then he asked me to co-host a charity event. I didn't know what it meant. And then like 45 minutes before, they're like, it's a roast of Richard Kahn, hosted by the Roastmaster General himself, Mr. Jeff Ross. And I was like a roast. I didn't have a set. I did like, I'm like, I'm freaky out. So I farred out like some jokes and I get there and it's just 97 year old billionaire Jewish grandparents. And I'm like, what is this for? I was like, I don't know where I am. And and I was like, I was told that Jeff Ross is going to be the roastmaster. So I was like, I wrote some nasty crap. Real nasty blue crap. Yeah. And so like I go out and there I was like, I don't guys, I don't know if I should say this is a little bit, a little bit crude. And they're like, say that job. And I was like, well, like a lot of like a lot of people like Richard Kahn like changed his name when he moved to Hollywood. Like John Stewart was once named John Liebowitz and Richard Kahn was once named. And I was like, Zalmin the rapist. And then it just crushes the old people like love that joke. And I was like, I was like, how is this possible? It was like, I was like, and then I'm like, you know, but Relax Guys, it's a family name. It's it was Rapalwitz. He's changed to Ellis Island. And I was like, in fact, his grandfather, Moshe Rapist was the first rapist in Hollywood. He founded the creative artist agency and there have been rapists throughout the industry ever since. And then it dies. When I say that, it's a weird crowd. Oh, it went from a throwaway to a theme. There you go. You got a one shot. You're a one shot wonder. This is crap. I wrote it on the subway. I mean, I'm freaking out. I was like, I have to get through this. And so then I'm like, you know, and then I was like, you know, it's going fine. I'm like, I'm surviving, right? And it's basically great. I'm happy. I'm happy with how it's going. Yeah. I was like, I wrote, I wrote a movie for Richard. Recently, I pitched him. It's called The First Jew Who Died in the Holocaust. And I was like, it's about a guy who's in line for the train to Auschwitz. And he was complaining about whether or not he could use his points for business class. Good. And then, you know, they liked it. They liked it. Yeah. Yeah. Although all the other Jews like take him. He's horrible. And so then the last jokes there. And then I was like, oh, I guess it's a roast. I got to go around the dais. So all I have left on the page. Right. I'm like, well, Jeff Garland's here from Courbriere enthusiasm. Hey, fat fuck. Ha, ha, ha. Sue, fat fuck. Then Jeff Ross is here. Like, oh, don't, don't give me. I forgot what I said. We don't. I know what you did. I had nothing. Right. Well, that's. I look at the crowd and I'm like, and Jeff Epstein's here. Where the hell have you been? Dead. Like dead. Like, just the worst silence I've ever heard my entire life. And horrible. Like, you know what? I joke Bob's, you hear a couple of chuckles is like, it's like the air is left the room. Yeah. And I'm like, say that it's the last thing I have to say. And I'm like, it's topical. It's like that's your. Season of the news. I'm like, it's not my quote. What are you talking about? Closer. I mean, that was the last thing on the page. It was just the last thing on the page. And I'm like, and I'm like, and then Richard kind of like looks at me. He's like, Adam, I think it's because he's dead. And I'm like, oh, I didn't mean to his, his body is barely cold. You know, I didn't, I didn't mean to speak ill of the noted sex, traffic, career and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. I love that. And then my friend is in the crowd and this old guy turns to me and he's like, Hey, I knew Jeffrey Epstein. To me, I didn't even there. There is a body. Oh, that wouldn't. I got off the stage and someone was like, actually, I think he was a major donor to this organization. It's a charity that we're doing an event for right now. Yeah. And I was like, I didn't know it was a real guy. I thought it was like from the news. When did they get up on this guy's fucking they they got some data now. It's a guy from dinner. It wasn't like it's a real person to them. And so it's just I literally ran away. I like the idea of you on the subway going there, going, does anyone have rape jokes and everyone's trying to help you and something like like a rom-com. Zalman, the rapist they love. Yeah, you started with your clothes or any. Well, that rapist, that's the rhythm of a great joke. Well, it just sounds like someone from like a small village. Yeah, it's it's kind of quaint. You don't expect there's like one guy that's the fool, the village idiot. Yeah, this guy's the right like a hunchback. He's the right, you know, the butcher, the rapist. Yeah. A local rapist. Yeah. Stand up because it's delicate. I've done those events. Neil Young and every the Crosstills Nash were in the audience, some kind of benefit in LA somewhere and the same kind of thing, just crickets, bombs away. Yeah, Neil Neil just sat there kind of stone face. I mean, he just he was probably waiting to go on, you know, but yeah, Neil is cool, but it was just that situation. You just triggered me and I know you can't he was busy searching for a heart of gold. I've done so many, so many corporate gigs where I bombed Dana. I don't I can't even imagine Dana bombing, but I guess it happens. I have my tricks, but I could, you know, I try to levitate the room. I have a sickness when I was in the clubs in the early days. If you didn't kill, you didn't move up and you didn't get rehired. So there was this like dog eat dog must kill and must get a steady novation must or I'm dead in the water. So I've just carried that with me. So I go to these corporate dates. I still want to kill and it's kind of hard when they've had dinner and it's like 11. You know, it's a good bit to do. Last night I was at the comedy store and I do my set and I get off. It was either Harlan Williams or Santino was next and I, I go back. I get my applause, which is just fine. It's not crazy, but I get off and I see them about to walk on. I go, ooh, um, encore. And then I go right back behind the curtain. They think I'm going to run back on. And they're so pissed. Like, no, but of course I was. So funny. Yeah, he is just that. The last time I saw him in like a couple of years ago and I'm like, he blew my mind. Harlan is underrated because he's one of the funniest comedians. He constantly kills there and you don't hear that much Bob. This isn't the negative thing. It's just, it's a positive thing, meaning he gets good spots and there's a reason he gets these good juicy spots. He does, he does well. Was he the one who did this standup special? There's somebody who did one just on a mountain by themselves with no audience. Was that Harlan? Somebody did that during COVID. Didn't they do it? No audience. I don't. Yeah. The cameras came in and I thought it was Harlan. He was just in the alone in the desert on kind of a hill. That's how you need a hook for a special. I would find it's not allowed. That would be easier. Hey, everyone. It's Stavros Halkis and I'm here to tell you about my podcast, Stavi's World. Each week we're joined by great guests like Josh Safty, Eric Andre, Caleb Herron and more. It's sort of an interview show, but really we're just messing around, making each other laugh and hopefully making you laugh while you're washing the dishes or grocery shopping or on a long drive. Plus I take listener calls where we have honest conversations about dating life and everything in between. Imagine if your therapist was a vulgar degenerate whose office was in a Greek diner. No scripts, no polish and absolutely no holding back. Listen to Stavi's World wherever you get your podcasts. Adam, have you done a Netflix special yet? Yeah, I'm sorry that I don't feel that. I kind of, I took the last year off the road to get the show up and running. And because like, yeah, Nick, Nick, like Nick left the show to do. We were sick of podcasting and that's like how we were paying for the talk show. So we both were like, let's just stop doing the podcast. And then I kind of went dark for four months, hired a staff and now I'm kind of producing this talk show once we, and now I'm back on the road. So I'm in Philly this weekend. And yeah, have you had any confrontations on your podcast with big world leaders or important people? Big world leaders? Well, I didn't have a conversation with him. I got along with him really well on the show. I had this guy Richie Torres. We had a thing that went sideways about politics. You know, just you don't want to be a major thing I want to resist doing is like people think comedians are smart now. Like, you know, like, oh, yeah, I don't want to speak from a position of authority in any way that I don't qualify. Like I could do the homework and then present that I know these things, but it's a lie. Right. Instead, I could rather like talk to someone and ask them ask them questions that I feel comfortable asking instead of like whenever I hear a comedian like spouting off about shit that trying to be smart. It's like, it's where you become a blowhard, right? Like, so I don't want to I don't want to do that. I call it becoming a teacher like I am a standup, but I'm going to shut up. I'm going to teach you. Yeah, I rather. Tells. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Norm had a really good quote once that was like that was like they say comedians are modern day philosophers, which is offensive to modern day philosophers. You know, they're actual smart people in the world, you know, and he happened to be like one of the smartest guys, you know, but it's just like it's not really us. We shouldn't be like the thing is, is like the platforms are so big now, like 10 times more people are listening to Rogan every day than watching CNN. Anything. Yeah. So so there's like this, you know, just by virtue of the fact that the platforms are so big that they're getting a ton of attention. But for me personally, in my show, I have to make a conservative effort of like what I want to do, which is like if so, if I have a politician, I'm not going to study up on like a specific legislation, but instead I could be like, you know, like, you know, no one likes the government and everyone hates you. Like, why do you want to be in it? Right. I like that. Yeah. That's the question I feel comfortable asking. And then you get an interesting answer to it too, that they're not, they don't have, they don't have talking points. They're not ready for that one. Yeah. Yeah. And you do both sides when you do interviews. What do you mean both sides? Like the right left, the right left. Republican Democrat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've had that guy Scott from CNN, from The Argument. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I had so much fun on that show. Oh, he is. Is he where he sits down and argues? He's like, shut up. That what is that show? It's just a live argument. It's more people. Well, it's kind of like the United Nations view. Yeah. They're all agreeing with each other one after it's a circular thing. He has, yeah, yeah. And then they come to Scott. Oh, wait a minute. I mean, it's kind of an entertainment. Shut up. Yeah. Scott's lucky because he gets half the lines, right? Yeah. He's one of him. He gets 50% of the time. He's cooking on that show, but I had him on the show. And then, like, you know, and then I've had, you know, people on the line. I don't want to be partisan also. Like I have my own opinions. I'm not going to be like of the left or of the right. I'm just a person. And if someone says something that sounds like retard, if someone says something that sounds stupid, I think her secular trends are a way to talk about politics without being political. You know what way? OK, we for better or worse, we have a $38 trillion debt. What's that about? You know, yeah, what are we going to do with homeless people? Literally in the big cities. I mean, stuff that should be a problem for everybody. And then it's a matter of how you want to solve it. Yeah. Sometimes you want to be like, what's like what's the food like at the cafeteria in Congress? We were like, you want to be like, you know, like, you know, how? Yeah. If someone met Trump, they're like, yeah, what were like the weird things that he showed you? Right. You know, sometimes you kind of want to get like a three dimensional picture of who these guys are. And then you kind of see how like normal or fucking weird the people are that are in these positions. And I think like actually seeing people for who they are is actually very helpful. So if I'm like asking them about even just like, you know, their backgrounds, like I had one politician on and I was like talking to his comms team and I was like, you know, does he like fucking? Does he play guitar? I was like, I can't find anything. And they were like, he likes walking around and hot dogs. And I was like, he sounds like the BTK killer. I was like, you guys have to make something up. Everyone, everyone's got to get a tattoo or a snake. I mean, this is walking around and hot dog. Yeah. They don't know anything. They are nothing. And it's, it's you give them power. If you have a financial advisor, they use all these funny terms to kind of ravish, metagio. They're just dudes in a room. They, you know, they're taking, taking a shit. Fuck these people. Yeah. Never give experts power, you know, especially with modern day information. You know, I don't know. I think they, we just, they need to do a good job. Probably. Yeah. It doesn't seem like they're doing a good job. A lot of them. Have they ever? I don't know. Yeah. I think they've done a good job a couple of times. Maybe. Well, maybe we are doing a better job. It has like a civil rights act. That was pretty good. I guess. Yeah. Maybe this is the best it gets. You know, cause people go, oh, no, it's very trashy. It's very, it's, it's like they wear hoodies and stuff now. I, we got to bring back the Yale guys that do like satanic blood rituals. Like it was at least it was class. Did they ever really go away? At least it was classy. Yeah. As I go on Facebook live and have a meltdown on a CVS and being Congress like six months later. Yeah. It's a little white trash. It's like, they used to have class. They used to kill kids. Hey, they had class. They'd kill the president. They'd kill the brother. They'd kill. But they had class. Yeah. All right. We're ending on that because that's a good upper. I'm trying to get you. Oh, okay. Are you on the way to the airport? Yeah. Oh guys, I've been like a, like a 10 year old. So nervous. And I hope you've enjoyed it, but genuinely speaking, my legends. I mean, first of all, I don't think conference. Well, I didn't react earlier. I really, really want to stick more dick when I, if we meet, I will go just on my knees and just fill late in public, in private, done. Okay. You know, we always say we're not going to do these things, but let's do it. Here's what we're going to do. Here's what we're going to do on May 9th. Netflix is a joke. You're at the region theater. Yeah. We're going to get into the first one. David and I, we're going to be, we're not going to let you know, but we're going to be sitting in the back and right before you go on, they're going to go spade and carbure here. They want to see what you got. Yeah. Some jokes might sound familiar from our act. My chopping broccoli opener. My chopping. I love it when people do. Yeah. But you know, they're broccoli called broccolina. Yeah. I have a big Joe dirt. A Dickie Roberts chunk and full costume. Thank you for coming. Can I ask you a sincere question? Sure. You think Brodyups 2 is better than one? That's a whole other podcast. Okay. I will tell you in person. Two is one of the funniest movies of all time. You like two better. I like two better. Okay. What two guy? That's a split. I have to say it's a split with Tommy Boy in Black sheep. It's 90% Tommy boy. Tommy boy and grownups two. It's almost 50. We'll get into it. Yes, we will. 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