The Mummy's Curse & Other Horrific Deaths by Animal with Sammy Smart

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West out kick it to you. Yeah, I like cheese. I'm a cheese guy. Cheese, sandwich, pepperoni. Yeah, Sammy, what do you think? Pepperoni. Am I the lone pepperoni over here? I like pepperoni too. It's hard to decide. Thank you. Let's go ahead and introduce our guest. Yeah, we're joined again by our good friend, Sammy Smart, from Too Scary Didn't Watch. We only collaborate with podcasts where if you type two into the search bar, that podcast comes up. So, Sammy, we're very happy to have you on the show again. The two fast, two furious podcasts. Yeah, exactly. Also our other favorite. I'm delighted to be back with you guys and excited to see what we have in store for this spooky episode. Well, that thought about being the white girls one cut. I feel like at this point, we're kind of like we could really just be held accountable for harassment at this point. Just once a year, we bring Sam, we trotter out and inflict some emotional damage. We're like, all right, see you next time. I did it again, guys. I did it again. The worst than leeches in the butt. I just want to say the episode has a lot of stuff that's not that bad, but there's one bit that is quite bad. So, I'm just prepping everyone for that. There's one. This is kind of a multi-story episode and one of those stories is horrific. Well, before we get to the story, I feel like we need to help Mike out a little bit. So, he wasn't on our last episode. And I just want to do a correction corner. There's a lot of chatter about somehow we were trying to compliment him and we ended up just throwing in a line that he's mean to service workers. That's not true at all. That was in a nightmare. I didn't just wake up from a bad dream. The one episode you skipped, we just like really put your name through the dirt for no reason. My two best friends got on our audience of international audience of thousands and thousands of listeners and Wes was like, God, Mike's pretty nice guy. And Jeff was like, well, I don't know about that. I want to know what you witnessed in India is my big question. To me, I thought maybe I'll just have you recount her, oh, quick, sorry, Sammy. This is like inner terminal inner podcast drama. But I started to say Mike is incredibly kind to people, even random people. And then Jeff interjected the India thing. And to Mike's, in Mike's defense, the TSA, the Indian equivalent of TSA, they were really hard to deal with. Like you had to pull apart every single electronic you had in your bag. And I don't remember Mike being particularly put off by it more so than the rest of us. I don't remember saying anything to any of them. So I'm just curious what you had in your brain, Jeff, for that specific instance to be brought up to castigate me just a blanket statement that I mean to service workers everywhere. Anyway, I'm over. I really don't care. We're over it. So, did you get a lot of shit from the listeners, Mike? Kind of. I got like a few discord messages, private messages. And then I guess like a red, red popped up. There's this full. Someone made like a full reddit like he is not. I'm going to say it definitively. And this isn't just us trying to cover our bases. What I was trying to say originally in that compliment is very true. That Mike is exceedingly kind to just about every person he ever meets for you guys. And you wouldn't expect it from his outward demeanor and like kind of how he represents himself on the podcast. So it's corrected. We don't have to bring it up again. That is Mike's true nature. And it's what I meant to say in the first place. Let's move on to the episode. I'm glad we brought it up to a check. Sammy, thanks for joining us. I've been on their podcast a few times. Sammy's been here a few times mostly during October. Well, you're one of our favorite guests. I'm just going to say I love to be here and thrilled to hear it. It's a huge honor. So thank you for having me. There's a specific part of this episode that I was saving just for you. And that's why we're doing it today. And I think you'll know when it comes up, it's going to be toward the end. But just so you know, there's part of this episode that's about you. Mike originally sent me the idea. And then I've workshopped it a little bit. So we'll get to it. Yeah. All right. I'm giddy and I'm scared. There's not much scarier than me to do during that. Just I want you to be as quiet as possible. I just want you to stay. All right. So there's not much scarier than death, right? Death is one of the scariest things public speaking of us. There's a whole push back a little getting a splinter under your fingernail. We're not going to get through today's episode. There's a whole franchise devoted to death, you know, popular horror movies with final destination. I think it's something that every human, whether or not you think you're afraid of it, you might be on your deathbed. We just don't know. What's your guys favorite final destination movie, by the way? First one. Mine's three. Mine's two. Okay. Whoa. It actually might be the latest one for me. I don't care for those movies. But okay. No one was doing something. It was cooking a little bit. I like the Marialism with wine. Instead one. Yeah. She's great. She brings so much to it. And she just, it's such a funny contrast between her and every other actor in that movie. It's great. Yeah. Two has the best setup. I think the logs. That's the log of truck one. Yeah. Anyway, we're going to get into some deaths that seem kind of final destination. But they all involve animals. And we're not going to really spend a lot of time on any of these stories. So we're going to leave some meat on the bone is what I'm trying to say. So listeners, at some point you may hear one of these stories again with like a much deeper dive. We recently did that. That's another story. We need to tell listeners like our recent polar bear episode. Mike had done on a subscriber story. And I leave you guys alone for one week. You steal my story. You insult me and I come back. When you told that story, I said, we'll probably do this as a main feed-up, so it's some day. And we did. All right. Okay. This list comes with the big old warning that some of these stories paying attention for that would have been funny. Yeah. Well, actually, I don't even remember that first time we told it. This list comes with a big warning that some of these stories are pretty old. Some of them even thousands of years old. So take them with the grain of salt. Even the ones that are a little bit more modern just realize that none of these are very new stories. And because of that, we're going over them as they were recorded. There's probably some myth and apocryphal things that have kind of crept into some of these stories. So just take all of them with a grain of salt. Okay. We're going to start with Heratoclis. Heraclitus. Heratoclis. Yeah. Heratoclis. If they're listening, we apologize. Yeah. But I doubt he's listening. He was a pre-socratic Greek philosopher who by all accounts was a pretty weird dude. Sounds like he was pretty good at annoying just about everyone he came in contact with. So he was known as the obscure because of his cryptic teachings. And he was also called the weeping philosopher because he was pretty melancholic. He was like very sad and like talking about sad things. Today, he's best known for saying you cannot step in the same river twice because water is always moving. So when you step in a river a second time, the water will have changed. Wisdom. Yeah. Pretty smart. Pretty smart guy. Yeah. How would you implement that in your day-to-day life, Jeff? I think like if I was like really good at sports, after a loss, I'd say something like some bullshit like that. Yeah. If I was like an Heratoclis once said with four in herceptions and then they're asking me like, what happened? I'd be like, can't step in the same river twice. That's a well said. He's sure. You did throw four in herceptions. Tell the same story on a podcast twice. You can tell the same story twice for sure. All right. Well, weird Greek philosophers really like to die in strange ways. And this guy really went for it. I'll set up the scene. Basically, he got so tired of people and they got so tired of him that he decided to go live a solitary life in the mountains. And when he did there, he did his best just to live on grass and herbs. So that's really all he was eating. Well, turns out it wasn't enough. And this new diet gave him dropsy. And dropsy is kind of the old-timey word for edema. So essentially like all of his tissues and what not swelled with fluid. So he's like, okay, I got to get out of the mountains. I got to go back down to civilization and try and find a cure. But when he went to the physicians, rather than just tell them what he had, he presented them with a riddle and said, whether... Would you do right, Sammy? When you go to the doctor. You don't want to give it straight to the doctor. You want to make them work for it a little bit. The doctor was like, what's wrong with you? And you're like, can sir, my riddle is three first. Anyway, what he said was whether or not the doctors were able to produce a drought after wet weather. So the doctors were confused what might be going on with him. And they weren't able to help him. So he decided just to take his matters into his own hands. And what he thought was, okay, if I rub a bunch of cow dung on myself, certainly when it dries, it'll suck the fluid out of my body and get rid of these bad humors that he had inside of him. So quick spoiler, he ends up dying from this. But there is some debate over how it happens. Some people say he expixiated under this huge pile of cow dung. Some say he baked himself to death in the sun, trying to dry out all of this cow dung. And then there's the reason why he's on this list. Some people say that he was ripped apart by feral dogs while he was covered in this cow dung. Which seems like a particularly terrible death and why we included him on the list. Sammy, do you have any idea how dogs might kill their prey? I mean, with their... Terran and part with their jaws? Yeah, that's a pretty good guess. Not with like a knife or something. No. They don't have... They're not an animal that has like claws... Or they do have claws, but they don't kill their prey with their claws. That question was so obvious, bless. That you had like kind of tricked us into thinking that there was like a secret. We talk about... We talk about big cats on this podcast. And big cats will dispatch their prey. They'll like strangle or separate vertebrae or they'll do something to kill them quickly. And what I was trying to get at here is that dogs don't do that. Dogs will literally do what you just said. Sammy, tear them apart with their mouths. They're not trying to kill it quickly. They're just trying to tear it apart. So it's a... It's an especially horrible way to die. We talked about it last year with you with the Wolf episode. Right. It's not a good way to go. So that's why he was included in this. Oh, and also we're going to do seven total stories. And at the end, I'm going to have you guys say which were the three worst of these historical deaths. You think it's worse than like being baked in... I was going to say, well, this one has three already. Yeah. Maybe if he would have like rubbed dry cow dog on himself. And then his water would have absorbed into it. It was a fuzzy plan all around it. It's a bad bride. How on you? That's not a bad idea. The water went into you. Right. It's a bad idea. So if you have dropsy out there, first of all, give it to the doctor straight in. Tell the doctor's exactly what's wrong. She don't need to give them riddles. And then don't rub cow dog on it or something. Okay. We're going to move right along. Jeff, you live in England. You're living in England in 1703. How worried are you about tigers? I'm probably more worried about how they like travel back forward in time to get back here. Yeah. That's a good point. And you're concerned about not changing anything too. Yeah. Don't touch anything. Don't meet yourself. But yeah, I wouldn't have tigers on the brain at all. Well, if you worked at the white lion tavern in Malmissbury in 1702... I'd be worried about lions. Yeah. You shouldn't be. You should be pretty worried about tigers. According to accounts from the time, a traveling managerie... It's like a fun... I make you feel comfortable that there's no tigers there if I call it lion. Yeah. It's a good point. Well, it worked in this in this situation, because a traveling managerie was in the area. They were using the grounds at the tavern as a place to store some of their attractions. Most notably, a particularly ferocious Bengal tiger. And Hannah Tuenoi was a 34-year-old bar maid that worked at this tavern. And apparently, she got really bored at times. And as a distraction, she loved to harass this tiger. Sammy, do you think tigers are a good animal to pester in her ass? That's a good question, Les. Another sinker. Another really tricky way of... Another softball for Sammy. I'm gonna go with no. I think it's... Yeah, yes or no. You're right. I get it, you're right. Wow. To none of two. Gosh. You are right. It's a really bad idea. I can't believe Mike and Jeff are giving me shit for asking questions. Because every episode they'll do, they'll be like, Hey, Jeff, what do you think about football? All right. Catch you a question. I want to hear the answer. It's a really bad idea to harass a captive tiger. Anyone that's listened to our show extensively has probably listened to our first available episode. They would know how poorly it can go. We talk about some kids in a zoo that harassed a tiger. And it was so determined to get them that it did get out. And it killed one of them. Yeah, Tatiana, the more tiger. Apparently the guy that owned this tiger kept telling Hannah to stop, but she just had to get that fix. You know, just had to harass that tiger. Finally, this big cat got so enraged that it managed to break out of its enclosure and it made a beeline for Hannah, grabbing her by the dress, pulling her to the ground, and then tearing her to ribbons. She would be the first person to get killed by a tiger in Great Britain. And a silver lining was that she would get a headstone because her death was so strange. Because at the time, people that didn't have like a certain class or money or whatever, they generally weren't given headstones. And her headstone was actually engraved with a pump, which I'm going to read for you guys. In Bloom of Life, she snatched from Hents. She had not room to make defense. For tiger fierce took life away and here she lies in a bed of clay and tell the resurrection day. Oh, that's kind of the straight. Yeah, that's why they gave her the headstone. They just thought of the rhyme first. Yeah, and they were like, this is too good. Yeah, the local, whoever does is like, I got some bars, actually. That's right. I wonder what I want. I need to plan out what I'm going to have on my headstone. Have you guys thought about that at all? Like, well, no, I don't want a headstone. I don't think you know, I just want to be cremated and dispersed. Oh, I just to be like, here's this guy who now is dead. That's good. I mean, sounds like Hannah didn't get to pick hers. Maybe I'll just, you know, let someone else riff sounds like you're a good time. Yeah, some British poet. Poe would be cool. Do you know what I want on my headstone is, because they always give the dates, which you lived and died by. So it would be like 1988 to like 2500. That'd be sick if I live that long. All right. So that's story number two. I hope you guys can keep these all in your heads. All right, what's your make up on your headstone, how you died? Could I say like, he realized Jeff Larson, he was bitten by his armbeam and then killed by his tribe of people because they didn't want to get infected? I would imagine so. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to stop you. I feel like the headstone police. All right. I might have lots of kids. Rest me. Did you see that episode of, sorry, Nathan, for you? No, you're good. Where he helps a woman with like a pet adoption place by buying a headstone at a pet cemetery and being like, get your next pet by going to this pet adoption place. I think I missed that one. People at the pet cemetery get really upset. So there is known to be some pushback at a cemetery based on what's on the headstones. And if they get upset with, if they get upset with Mike, he'll lose his shit. That's the problem. That's it. Oh, I'll be so mad. Call my wife. Calling UK Wild Life. Voice assistance not working for you. BlackRock Investment Trust has a lot working for you. Get to know them at blackrock.com, capital at risk, marketing material, BlackRock Investment Management UK Limited, authorized and regulated by the financial conduct authority. All right, Mike, what's your favorite scene in Return of the King? Or at least your favorite when you first saw it in theaters? Oh, it's when Sam faced down. She loved, of course. Okay. Trying to answer. I wanted to keep going until I get it. Jeff, what was your favorite scene? I like when they finish that little bit of water and then they fall over and then it turns into a painting. All right, I'm not. That's definitely not what I was looking for. You're not going to get it over your face. Okay. I think a lot of people's favorite scene when they first saw that movie is kind of a silly one now, but it's where Legolas kills the olefant, where he runs up on top of it, shoots the arrows into its head, slides down its trunk and lands. When I first saw that movie, I loved that scene. Yeah, there's a great scene. It's a crowd, please. Are you out? That's a good one. Yeah, that's like, that's not even top 10, dude. All right, it's also a great scene. It only counted as one. It's also the part where, Yomur, Yomur? A.M. What's his A.M. Yeah, A.M. er throws the spear and... He's like 10 people. A.M. er throws the spear and kills the guy that's riding the olefant, and he steers it into the other one and they both type. Also a great scene. Well, that pretty much happened in 162 BC, but with some slight key differences that we're going to get into. This was a time when the Greek Empire was spreading and a group of Jewish rebels named the macabees were fighting against the Greeks. And their battles were being led by Judas Macabayus, but these Jews were fighting against some really steep odds. You see, the Greek army had a lot of infantry. They had a lot of Calvary, and then they had 80 war elephants. So war elephants are exactly what you're picturing. They're big elephants that were decked out in armor, and that soldiers would ride to fight enemy troops. Wow, they ride on them. So when the Macabees first encountered these elephants, they were pretty intimidated, and their troops began to flee. So the brave brother of Judas Macabayus, who is named Eliasar Averan, decided to prove that these elephants were not invincible. He rallied his men, and then in a heroic act of bravery, he charges headfirst towards the nearest war elephant, flings himself under the huge animal, and stabs his sword upward into the belly, also kind of like the Order of the Rings with Shellab. Here's where the story differs a little bit from Lord of the Rings. The real life war elephant proceeded to immediately stop him into oblivion in front of his horrified men, killing him instantly. So his charge did not have the attended effect, and the Macabees would retreat, and they would go on to lose this battle against the Greeks. Yeah, that's crazy. Do you think he got covered in elephant guts and stuff too, while that was like, did he slice open the belly, and then... At least some blood. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't a good death, but it was quick. It'll be quick, yeah. But really embarrassing. Yeah, there's one thing I had to guess about being stomped by elephants. It's quite quick, yeah. That's crazy. We don't still like do that in the military. Have more elephants? Yeah. No, I do. The second human is for work. You know, Hannibal, he tried to use elephants. That didn't work. It was to poor effect. There was actually, after these battles, there was actually like a resolution drafted that they couldn't use elephants anymore. Like it's just people's... It was cheating. They were like two. It was too effective and scary. Yeah. Two of us. Which is pretty wild. Yeah. All right. So Judas Macabees, you know, sorry, Elias is our brother, is our next death. So keep that one in mind. All right. Do any of you know what a boom slaying is? What Ash uses an evil dead? Jessica, that's boom stick. Boom stick. Close. Boom slaying. Boom slaying. Not a Pokemon. Jeff, do you have a guess? Does it kind of like what David used to kill Goliath? Also not. Slaying close. It's not. It's a slime shot. It's a snake. That's a snake. That's a slime shot. It's a snake. It's a particularly venomous, rear-fanged snake from Africa. They're green. They're beautiful. And there's a reason that rear-fanged snakes are often a little bit less feared among venomous snakes. And that's because they really have to bite you to deliver their venom load. So because of that, they'll offer... They'll often deliver a dry bite or they just like won't really bite you hard enough to really inject an venom. If you're a survivor fan, you probably recently saw a guy get bit on survivor by a rear-fanged snake and it didn't deliver any venom. So that is common among these snakes. And because of that, in the 1950s, when herpatologists were working with rear-fanged snakes, they kind of were a little bit more careless with them. They thought that maybe they weren't that dangerous. We're still learning a lot about venomous snakes. And that's kind of the background to this next story. Well, you just said they're not as dangerous. They are. It's just you... Okay. You're right. They're not as dangerous. But they deserve as much... They deserve as much respect as any other venomous snake. Guys, and they are highly venomous. They get you pretty good. Yeah. You just gotta get like a full mouth bite in order to be able to bite you. They have to get a good bite on you. Yeah. Can vampires dry bite? Sam, you've seen vampires do their stuff probably, right? They have to be able to bite without turning, right? Turning them. I'm so... Yeah. I feel like that's pretty common vampire lore that they have to like... Because a lot of vampire movies you have to drink their blood to get turned. Get turned, right? Yeah. My little John, thank you. In a vampire movie. I'll be be a great person. How do you think a rear-fanged snake bite someone? Shut up. With its mouth. Good job, Sammy. Good job. Sammy, bad job. All right. So the most famous victim of the boom sling was unfortunately someone who knew very much about them and knew much better than to be careless. Now it was Dr. Carl P. Schmitt of the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. He's a herpetology legend. He really advanced the science in a long way during his life. But we're actually going to be talking about his death. So in September of 1957, a colleague sent him a live snake that he was having trouble identifying. Schmitt almost immediately recognized it as probably being a boom sling. But one that was quite young and therefore didn't have someone that's more noticeable characteristics. Because this is a rear-fanged snake and because it was a younger specimen, he wasn't very careful when he was handling the snake and a bit him on the thumb. This is where the story gets a little bit more interesting and why I decided to include it. Because he's a scientist, he's obsessed with snakes. So what does he do? He decides to create this journal of every symptom that he feels during this process of being built by his boom sling. Yeah, so he kind of journals his own death. Like Kio Di Peterson, kind of back in the... Yeah, yeah, this is, I guess, in a way. This is the... Everyone that keeps a journal... In a way is... Eventually, we'll have journaled their own death, you know? Kind of. Yeah, that's true. I thought you were going to say... In a way. Interesting. Kio Di Peterson. Yeah, not Kio Di Peterson. All right. So he really didn't have that much information about the effects of boom sling venom and he really wanted to document it. And so what we end up with is this diary of something being killed by a gnarly kind of snake venom that makes you uncontrollably bleed from your mucus membranes. So at about 4.30 pm, he says he has strong nausea, but no vomiting as he takes the train to his house. At 5.30 pm, he starts to feel a strong chill and a fever and his body temperature is over 101 degrees, but more concernedingly, his gums start to bleed profusely. At 8.30 pm, he eats two pieces of milk toast, which is disgusting, and I just wanted to include that. Because no milk toast is... Our cousins would eat that. Yeah, I don't actually. You just make toast and put it in, like, warm milk and then eat it. Like the sloppy toast. Yeah, brand-toasted. Why you don't taste it? I know exactly. That's a good one. Our cousin didn't toast it. He would just put, like, white bread and milk. Well, that makes no more sense. Milk bread, but the milk is negating the toast part. Which is. Yeah, that's like the Joey Chess not move with the hot dog buns. Maybe it's like true tons. Yeah, just kind of like... Yeah, soggy crunch. Saga crunch. Yeah, which we all know. So like a... Yeah, that's basically cereal at that point. Yeah. All right. He falls asleep at 9 p.m. and he actually sleeps pretty well until 12.20 a.m. At 12.20 a.m. he gets up to p and he remarks that his p is almost all blood. But he goes back to sleep. At 4.30 a.m. he wakes back up. Is he just like resigned to dying? No, he thinks that this is like... He thinks this is just kind of a mildly venomous, rear-fanged snake that's not going to do much to him. He has no idea what he's in store for. All right. So at 4.30 a.m. he wakes up to drink some water and he immediately vomits up all of his milk toast. No, that... Don't you hate that. Isn't that the worst? All right. He takes care of coming back up. Exactly. You don't know what's milk and what's toast at that point. Then he feels better and he falls back to sleep until 6.30 a.m. At 6.30 a.m. his temperatures come back down a bit. So he's feeling like he's kind of out of the woods. He'd spreck fist and then he goes to pee again and now it's like an ounce of blood. It's just blood now. There's no urine whatsoever. Oh, right. His gums start bleeding again and his nose starts bleeding, but not excessively, just kind of a slow leak. He decides not to go to work and around lunch that day, he starts vomiting uncontrollably. Causes wife and then when he's found by emergency personnel not long after, he's soaked in sweat, he's nonverbal and he's profusely bleeding from his eyes. And then when they'd later do an autopsy on him, his kidneys, his lungs, his heart and his brain were also all profusely bleeding. He's rushed to the hospital, but he's pronounced dead on a rifle. Boomslangs and rear fangs snakes are now much more respected than they were at the time. Not together ahead of ourselves, but this one's pretty bad. This one's pretty bad. I'm going to keep it this one in mind. This is a dark horse for your top three. For the later. Okay, just you wait for the real bad one. Yeah, there's three more, right? So who can say? What he would have wrote if he had one more paragraph, he could have wrote in his journal at the very end. This is actually quite bad. I do regret this. You were a full of blood. There were no investors around that he wanted to tell your riddles too. Well, apparently, and I don't know if this is true or not, but toward the end of this, when the doctors arrived, he still refused help because he felt like at this point, just knowing what happens was more important than him, like being safe or whatever. I know. True scientist. Yeah. All right, I wouldn't do that. They have an event. I also would not do that. I don't think so. I don't think they had an event at this point, but I'm not sure. Yeah. So they had to suck it out a little fashionally. He did try to suck it out immediately when the snake first bit him. Yeah. Oh geez. Yeah. You're peeing blood. That's not good. She's. All right. Okay, our next one is the really bad one. So I didn't want to do this one. And Jeff, you may recall that in the early days of our podcast, you did an episode on ancient execution methods involving animals. And we actually, we sat on it for a while. You were like, we can't but this one happened. And then one week we just didn't have an episode. We were like, well, we can do just animal just terrible episode. Yeah. I love ancient execution methods in general. Really bad. I have not heard of the animal version one. So yeah, this would be. They're not good. I found another one. It's really gross. So gross, in fact, that there's debate whether or not it was actually used. But the depictions of it are so detailed. And there are a few like historians from those times that included these depictions that I do tend to think this was used. So if you guys ever heard of the term of escapism, yeah, I have. No. Okay, escapism is pretty bad. It's pretty sweet. A soldier named Mithredi Thes is said to have been killed using escapism in the Persian Empire in about 500 BC. And his story is actually pretty tragic. So this soldier, he heard that Cyrus the younger, the brother of the king, Arda, Surs, Arda, Zerse's too, was plotting to kill the king. So this guy hears that the king's brother is trying to kill the king. And he decides to kill the king's brother. The king is grateful. And he tells this soldier not to tell anyone. Because he wants to take credit for killing his treacherous brother. And Mithredi Thes says that Mithredates, I'm going to say Mithredates. That's probably wrong. But that's how it's spelled. Says that he's not going to tell anyone. Jeff talked about this guy. Really? Yeah. I remember us talking about Mithredates and escapism. But what it doesn't matter. Okay. All right. So I'm doing it again to episode 10. It's not easy to read. I'm repeating stories. Yeah. Okay. All right. So we may have talked about this before in Jeff's episode. I'm not sure. But anyway, he might say that. I think Mithredates says that he's not going to tell anyone. The king says, I want to take credit for killing my brother. And Mithredates is like fine. You know what? That's cool with me. No big deal. Then he gets drunk. And he starts boasting about how he killed Cyrus. And the king hears about this and he's pissed. And it's making him look like an idiot. So he says, you know what? We're going to do escapism. We're going to kill Mithredates with escapism. So what escapism is, is essentially you take the person and you put them in a small boat. Their holes cut for their head, their arms, and their legs. Then you put another boat that looks the exact same on top of that person. So both of the holes of the boat are pointing outward. Sammy, what's the whole of a boat? We talked about this on the episode I did on your show. This one's got to stump me. This is actually a tricky one. The hole is the bottom. It's like the keel of the boat and the whole of the boat. Yeah, the hole. Yep. No, sorry. You knew this. We talked about this on. The whole of the bottom of this. Yeah. I knew. I would have, I would have known. So basically this person looks like they're like edited to make Sammy seem smart. This person looks like they're in a beetle suit, where their head is sticking out of like two boats. Their arms are sticking out and their feet are sticking out. But that's it. Once they do that, they nail these boats together and then they do something pretty terrible. And I don't really want to describe this in my own words. So I'm going to quote a 12th century story when I said in it. When Jeff said that's a long time ago. All right. Next they pour a mixture of milk and honey into the wretched man's mouth till he is filled to the point of nausea. Smirring his face, feet, and arms with the same mixture and so leave him exposed to the sun. This was repeated every day, the effect being that flies, wasps, and bees attracted by the sweetness settle on his face in all such parts of him as project outside the boats and miserably torment and sting the wretched man. Moreover, his belly, distended as it is with milk and honey, throws off liquid excriments, diarrhea. And these putrifying breeds of swarms of worms and testinal and all sorts. Thus the victim lying in the boats is flesh rotting away in his own filth and devoured by worms, dies a lingering and horrible death. Neh. Oh yeah, that was bad. That was bad. Candy man. Candy man wouldn't have even cared. He would have been like, this is actually kind of cool. All these bees. Or we need to poo. He does love to. He would have been stoked about this punishment just getting him not down with honey. Yeah. Their outside limbs are eaten by all these insects on the outside and then on the inside, like maggots and worms and everything are eating them on the inside of this boat because they're purposely making them shit themselves. What do we think is like the actual ultimate cause of death? Uh, it is, according to these historians, it's being eaten alive by worms, like maggots and stuff. Really? It's not a dehydration after a couple of days. No, because they would purposely keep them alive by giving them more milk and honey. And like, yeah. Of course. Yeah, reloading the diarrhea. Yeah, that's too bad. It's a terrible way to die. And it said that- It was so inventive back then. They really did a lot of so many steps to these. I wonder what point he proved to. It's like, okay, so obviously that guy killed his brother. He's like pissed out of him saying that. Right. Yeah. And that guy saved his life. You know, that's the worst part of it for me. It's with his brother. Yeah. It seems like one of those methods of execution where it's like, actually, did you know in Minnesota, it's still allowed to be put to death by scapism? Yeah, right. You know. Right. They haven't technically outlawed it. So, yeah. Well, and I just like- Let's go, Minnesota. I remember telling that part. I think you did a good job telling like the more backstory behind it. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. The whole betrayal, talking about it thing. I just like how you went from we can't put that out to- We have to put that out twice. Twice. I'm sorry. All right. We've been doing this for a while now. Okay. So, he apparently he suffered for 17 days in the boats before he finally died, which you know shows him to save the king. All right. This next one's a little spooky as well. It might trigger some particular fears in some of our listeners. So, if you're very terrified of rodents, you might want to skip this one. If you have like an irrational fear of rodents, but it's a good one. In 1875, the Manchester evening news reported on a death that happened at a South London factory. A woman was working at a table when suddenly she shrieked, because a small mouse had ran onto the table and scared her. A nearby man who was working in the factory ran to help this woman. He grabbed this skittering rodent in an active gallantry. And a shining moment quickly turned sour when this mouse ran up his sleeve and when he opened his mouth to gasp, it ran into his mouth and disappeared down his throat. Don't know. No way. I guess it kind of looks like does the mouse holes in like the walls in an atomic- And the top and Jerry mouse hole. Where was this happening? This is in South London. His mouth. I was gonna say. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's some cheese in there or something. Apparently, at the time, there was some discussion whether or not a mouse could kill you by running into your mouth. And the Manchester evening news reported that day that a mouse can exist for a considerable time without much air has long been a popular belief and was unfortunately proved to be fact in the present instance. For the mouse began to tear and bite inside the man's throat and chest. And the result was that the unfortunate fellow died after a little time in horrible agony. What the heck? Yeah. That happens in Tera Fire 3. And somebody else? Yeah. Oh, so I'm telling this one again, too. It happens in another one, too, where they're like, like, force. It kind of happens in too fast, too furious. Oh my god. Yeah, which is like a terrible movie. And then, also, and just as like the coolest torture scene seen with a rat. Well, the new Batman movie, too, where he puts the rat cage on the guy's head. The newest Batman. Yeah, that's bad. I love that. But I wouldn't want to be killed by rats. Yeah, I don't think. We have yet to do our rat episode. The book 1984, too, that's one of the ways. Okay. I think you're happy. All right. Well, this happened in real life. It's too old, too, I think it happened. So wait, Tera Fire 3. Art the clown. It seems like he would only, he wants to be the guy killing everyone. So does he just let these mice have one of his victims? Or is it like a rivalry? No, he like builds a contraption that it's like a long tube that he shoves down a woman's throat and then has the rats crawl into it as he does his little silent laughing like. Yeah, I think he deserves credit for that. Not. It's a, yeah, it's a, it's a team effort. What if the woman was like, no, the rats help me art. At least there's an old woman. Yeah, wait, it was an old woman. I don't think it's she's that old. I'm just making that up then. Sorry. All right. It's minding. She's picturing an old woman. Okay. You were hoping. Gosh. Speaking of old women, how old, how scared you guys think mummies are on a scale of one to 10 mummies? So mummies are weird because they're real, right? Right. So like a scary mummy though. So that gets some points too. You just write off the bat. But they're like tiny. For me, it's like a war. They're all shriveled. Raisins. They do kind of look like the California raisin men. They're all just like, they're kind of just a zombie. But like they're one with special powers. But like dressed modestly, which is like, yeah, I feel like they're not that scary just because they don't seem, they don't seem very realistic or possible. Yeah. But like if it was like actual mummies, they'd be like, top scary. I was going to say, yeah, I'm not like worried about them in my day to day, but putting myself in the headspace of being in a place with a mummy with supernatural powers, then yeah, we're pushing 10 there. Okay. That's true. They can do like, plagues and stuff. Well, for me, their curses are much scarier than the actual mummy. I think that's what you guys are saying too. And one of the most famous examples of a potential mummy curse happened to George Herbert. Their fifth Earl of Carnivan. And Sammy, there's something you hate even more than mummies. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Don't tell me. Earl's. All right. So Lord Carnivan was a rich dude in early 1900s, England, who like a lot of rich dudes had the time and the money to do some pretty extreme hobbies. He really liked horse racing and he got super involved in that. And then with the advent of the motor car, he got really into motor car racing. He was a key motor car driver, but in 1903, he suffered a serious accident in Germany and he never fully recovered. I think like sea biscuit back then would have dominated. Would be like Michael Jordan playing in like those early basketball videos just putting like sea biscuit out in those horse races. Yeah. Probably wasn't sea biscuit back then, wasn't sea biscuit in like the early 1900s or sea biscuit more. No, I thought it was recent. Okay. I don't know why I'm not racing horses. Yeah, I don't think that was the movie of a single wire. Okay. Basically, he got hurt in a motor car accident as doctors said, hey, no more motor cars time for new hobby. And from then on, he and his wife, Lady Carnivan, decided to spend their winters in Egypt. And there he became a very enthusiastic amateur Egyptologist. We've all went through our Egypt phase. This guy just never got out of his. And he was actually like trading in antiquities and digging for things. He got really into it. So he started excavating tombs of nobles near Thieves, Egypt. And he employed British archaeologists Howard Carter to help him. Their main goal and pretty much the main goal of every Egyptologist at the time was to find the fabled tomb of the boy king Tutten Common or King Tut. He was one of the most ancient pharaohs or one of the most famous ancient pharaohs. And he was thought to have died of malaria at the tender age of 18. Let's put a pin in that, that malaria death, okay? All right. In 1914, Carnivan got permission to dig in the valley of kings. Which to me seems like the right place to dig if you're looking for king Tut. His work was interrupted by World War I. And then he resumed in 1917. But in 1922, they really hadn't found much. And Carnivan, like most rich dudes again with a new hobby, was starting to get a little bored. So he said this would be the last year that he would dig. And in November of 1922, he got word that his team had found something exciting, a tomb that was still sealed, so it was still completely intact. He accompanied his daughter, Lady Evelyn Herbert, a quick little trivia here. Her name's Evelyn. And if you guys remember the movie, The Mummy, Rachel Weiss's character is named Evelyn. And she's named after his daughter. This is kind of like a homage to this story. Wow, they really did the research. Yeah. So they went to Egypt and they arrived in November of 1922. They were both present the next day when the full extent of what they had discovered was revealed. And they saw that there was a seal containing King Tut's cartouche, which is like kind of his, I think like his mark, found on the outer doorway. And this door was removed and there was a corridor behind that was cleared. And then there was the door to the tomb itself. So basically at this point, to open this tomb, what they needed to do to go down the proper steps was to get this like Egyptian authority to come and to be present as they opened this tomb. Because there was likely to be artifacts inside that were, you know, the technically like the property of the Egyptian government. So they needed to have permission to actually enter this tomb. But they could see through a little like people and Richard Carter, his archaeologist was like, there's some wonderful things inside pretty much. He got really stoked. So they secured the tomb and it was to be entered the next day in presence of this Egyptian Department of Antiquities. But that night Carter is assistant Lord Carnivan and Lady Evelyn made an unauthorized visit to the tomb, becoming the first people in modern times to enter the tomb of King Tut. Some people even think they entered the inner burial chamber. Can't do that. Yes, she'd have done that in my curses in there. Yep. All right, at least one. So then they take part in the official opening of the tomb and they're probably like, whoa, this is crazy. Oh, it's our first time here. Exactly. It's so crazy. Wow, it really is King Tut's tomb. This is neat. All right. And later the burial chamber was opened. It was indeed full of thousands of almost spectacular treasures and artifacts that you could ever imagine. If you've ever been lucky enough to see these in a museum, they're absolutely spectacular. I'm really excited to go to the Louvre and go see like the Napoleon's Vice Crown. Yeah, I'm really so excited. I got bad news for you, buddy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What? Jeff's just been saving his whole life for his fresh jewels trip to the Louvre. Devastated. So the work to unearth the entire tomb and all the treasures was ongoing in March of 1923. When one day without even noticing it, a tiny insect landed on Lord Carnivans' cheek inserted tiny proboscis into his skin and drank his blood. What? This insect was, of course, a mosquito. Mm-hmm. If you didn't notice it, how do we know? They just, we know. I'll get to it. It was much like the one. Did the mummy tell him? That had probably given the malaria of iristic tinct to King Tut thousands of years earlier? Mummy mosquito? Much like the one. Yeah, this is a mummy mosquito. That'd be called wrapped up. And it had started a process of events that would kill this man who had broken the seal on King Tut's tomb. I wonder how much faster you'd become like mummified with mosquitoes in there? A little bit. Oh, yeah. Like those scarab beetles in the mummy. Sammy, how do we feel about mosquitoes in general? We despise them. We hate them. We want to crisper them out of existence. Personally, West Nye are on differing ends of, have different opinions about this, but I really hate them. Yeah. I did read recently that there were some studies that people think if we got rid of mosquitoes, it wouldn't substantially impact any animal that feeds on mosquitoes. I tend to disagree with that. I don't want to have a heart attack. A lot of flies in the world. What do you think about crispering them to not be able to bite? I think it's cruel. No, you're not crispering. You're not doing a mosquito? Yeah. Where do they rank in your favorite animals all the time? Me? They're probably like four thousand or something. I don't like them. They're my own. It's kind of. Yeah. I think there's like five thousand species. Yeah. I don't like them. They're actually probably my bottom 10. Yeah. But I think they serve their purpose. Okay. And their purpose might be. I was thinking about how being like itchy forever would be one of the worst things that could ever happen. And I'm curious if that's where this is going. That's not what happened to the sky. It's itchy. It's to death. Well, that's where it just scratched all of his own skin off because you was so itchy. That'd be bad. That's where at the start of the episode, where Wes was saying like death's one of the scariest things. It's like, I don't know being itchy forever. Oh yeah. It's not way worse. Do you think that's why the mummy's wrapped themselves so the mosquitoes can't get them? Nice. Great question. Maybe. I mean, it killed it killed their guy, you know? What happens if a mosquito bites you and you have, I don't know, something in your blood that's bad? You got it. You get them that way. Just where it bit them on the cheek. So wait, sorry. What was that, Mike? No, I don't know. I was just, I'm like, what if you had like HIV or something? And I, that's not, I'm not trying to like be funny. Does that, would that affect a mosquito? Or not really? I don't think so. I think transmitting is easy. No, the mosquito gets HIV. Yeah. We don't, I don't think we transmit any diseases to mosquitoes. Well, if you had sex with a mosquito, yeah, great question. All right. I'm not trying to be funny. Sammy's like, finally, I got the question I want. All right. Not long after getting this bite, Lord Carnivan was shaving and the raised itchy bump from the bite caught the edge of his razor. His razor. His razor. His razor. And he sliced into himself, cutting his face. No. A shaving cut is no cause for alarm. This is something that probably would have happened a lot back in the day with the straight edge razor. Razor. I don't know why you're saying that. It's a tough word. But I'm not there earlier. Unfortunately for Carnivan, the car crash decades earlier had left his immune system weak and unable to cope with unfamiliar infections. And a terrible skin infection took hold around this cut, quickly poisoned his blood and led to an inflammation in his lungs and then severe pneumonia. He died two and a half weeks after being bitten by this mosquito. So pretty cool. This all progressed two and a half weeks is pretty quickly. I mean, are we feeling for an infection? Are we feeling bad that whole time though? I think we're feeling pretty bad. He's got like a bad rash and an infection. It's a lot longer than being stomped by an elephant. That's true. I did not say this one's particularly bad. But newspapers around the world had a field day with the news, reporters as well as famous author Arthur Conan Doyle were quick to say that this was probably an ancient curse that had claimed his life. And this is really kind of where the idea of a mummy's curse begins. This is kind of where that whole idea starts with this story. All right. So we've got our seven deaths. I'm going to go through them really quickly for you guys. We got covered in cow dung and eaten by dogs, killed by a tiger in a 1700s British tabern. I, with an ironic name, let's not forget that, Jeff. Why not? I'm stomped to death, embarrassingly, by an elephant in front of all of your fellow soldiers and your best friends, bitten by a boom slaying and chronically in your own death as you bleed through your eyes and your brain, scafism after saving the king's life, a mouse down your throat that then bites your organs and tissues and whatnot, or the mummy's curse and a mosquito bite and cutting yourself. All right. So I want your top three. Let's start with your third, your third worst first. We'll each do these in order. My third worst, I think, is the mouse down the throat. My third worst is the... Ricken. What was that? The cow dung dogs. All right. Cow dung dogs. If it's the dogs, that's what I was thinking for third. I'm like, not. I'm like, not. I'm like, not. I'm like, not. Cow dung and dogs. It is. Yeah, I'll just, that's what we're counting. Okay. Sammy? I'm going mouse down the throat too. How many days was, of pain was that again? It wasn't very long, a few hours. A few hours. Yeah. It's tied between that and the mummy curse, but I'm factoring in that you'd be seeing some cool shit when you're in the, in the tombs and stuff. So... Yeah. It's probably worth it. That one's kind of worth it. Yeah. So those two are tied for third for me. Okay. And probably his next big hobby was going to be like racism or something, you know, an old guy in the 1900s. Sure. Okay. I mean, if he is cursing right now, I got into heaven. That's true. He might be in mummy hell. Right. All right. My second worst is going to be the boom slang bite. I think bleeding out of your orifices and dying that way would be pretty terrible. So that's my second worst. Wes, I think we're going to have the same three, because how could number one not be the same for all of us? Yeah, that's my number two as well. Bleeding out of the orifices sounds, sounds really bad. Yeah. I don't know what I... The roller coaster too. Like thinking you're okay. I was going to say... Kind of the lack of urgency is stressful for me as a listener to the tale. I think I think I would have reacted a little differently if it were me and maybe it wouldn't have played out same way. But... I tend to agree. Yeah. That said, if it had to play out that way, that's my number two. All right. Mike and Jeff, we... Yeah, go ahead. I'm doing the milk and honey and the boat for number two. Escaphism, number two's gays. Okay. I like boats. I like honey. I like being on a boat. Right. The... The herpetologist guy would have been like, Hey, can you put some toast in that milk instead of honey? All right, Mike, what's your number two? Oh, I'm going elephant stomp. That's so embarrassing. All your friends is laughing at you. It's absolutely annoying. Yeah. You know, for the rest of their lives, they're just shaking their head and laughing. Emma high in the low of it too. Of being like, I just... Oh hell, yeah, I f***** did it. And then like just... Right. Right back down to zero. Right. I think that one's cool. I like that one. It's cool. It's cringe. Yeah. All right, we already... Me and Sammy said our number one. What's your guys' number one? I was gaysphism is like my... That's my most preferred one. I'm just dying from that. I'm like... I don't like the mouse crawling down. The mouse in the throat. I'm trying to eat its way out. Yeah. I'm going gaysphism number one, of course. Of course. Okay. Yeah. It's the worst. All right. Okay. Well, those are the seven deaths that you've never heard of before... Before listening to this podcast. You've never talked about any of these things. Which one's the best of those? I think the best one for me is the... Or elephant, maybe. The elephant. Yeah. The tiger you kind of... Tiger. Going history as a dick. That's true. That's true. It's embarrassing as well. There's been whole papers like written trying to disprove that it happened too, which is kind of annoying. If people are like, did this actually happen? Did you read the poem? Yeah. I'd take the elephant one. That was cool. I mean, it's like, yeah, you got trampled, but it's like, that's pretty bossy. You sent it, you know? No. Yeah. It's legendary. If you'd land more than like one second, if you'd maybe dodge rolled out of the way of one stop and then gotten taken out, it's like, okay. Like he's trying to, he's making some moves at least. I would say that if he didn't stab the elephant. If he just ran up and got trampled right away, I'd be like, that's embarrassing. I do think he slid under it and stabbed it. So I kind of think he actually did some stuff. You got to do the Star Wars one where you have a rope and you run around the elephant's legs a bunch and trip it up. Then I'm like, yeah, you look really stupid for like 10 seconds. But then you want to die. That's true. All right. Yeah. Okay. I think that's like, we got our answers. They're locked in. Let's get onto our categories. You guys ready? Yep. Okay. I want everyone to say a favorite death scene from a horror movie. One of your favorite death scenes from any horror movie. Oh my gosh. How can you even pick? Yeah. I forgot to send these to Mike and Jeff. So I'll go, I can go first. The first one that comes to mind for me always, it's not that it's the greatest death scene of all time, but it was kind of the first one I saw that made me really go, whoa, this she can be crazy. And that is the in the movie, your next someone is killed by someone plugging a blender into the wall, taking off the glass blender part and slamming the blender blades down into the top of their skull and turning it on and blending. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta check that one out. That's great. Pretty, pretty memorable. Yep. Okay. My answer, I'll let Mike and Jeff think for a second more is a movie that I hate, but I've watched it like three times. Is Bone Tomahawk? Where at the end, these like kind of crazed zombie guys just grab a dude and split them in half. Like they just like, yeah, it's just on. Wes, I had to tell you it's so much worse than that because first they scalp him and then they shove his scalp into his mouth and use a little like blade to hammer it to the back of his throat. That's right. That's right. And then they flip him upside down and use a bone Tomahawk to cut him in half. That's what it is. Dick first. Yeah. It's so bad. I just remember, so I blocked some of that out. Thanks for reminding me, Sammy. You're welcome. I remember that movie. I must very remind you. Yeah. They're like seen. 85% of that movie, it's kind of like a... You were alone. Yes. It's kind of like a western where like, you're like, oh, these guys are on like a fun western thing and there's maybe a horror element. And then all of a sudden, it's just like, oh, this is the craziest horror movie I've ever seen. See, I just heard it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want that movie. It's quite upsetting. I want Dick last is how I want to go. Yeah. Also, because I think you'd die faster. If we're starting at the brain at the head, I think that's going to, I think that's going to be pretty fast. Right. Okay. Mike and Jack. Dick first. I don't know. I've got a couple that I'm having a hard time choosing between. I'm going to say West is going to be mad because anytime I bring up a movie older than five years old, it's ever heard. Everyone's heard of the movie House. Okay. 1977, Obeyashi, Japanese film. There's a piano scene, piano chops the girl playing. It's great. It's one of the most just like really fun, funny movie. But I'm actually my real answer is, the first time I watched Psycho, I thought I had kind of had the whole movie spoiled for me. Everyone knows the shower scene. So like, I got through that. I kind of know exactly how it was going to play out. And I was like, okay, I'm through the worst of it. But then there's another death near the end of the film, where it's this really weird vertical camera shot right down by the staircase. And it's almost like a jump scare where Norman, or his mom, we don't know anything at this point yet. But she pops out from one side and the guy is walking up the stairs. And it's just like this really abrupt collision at the top of the stairs. And then he like falls down, gets stabbed. It was just like, I was not expecting it. And I thought that like we were through the worst of it in the movie. And that scene just really, really got me. And it's lived in my brain ever since. It's really like an artfully shot scene. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm having a hard time thinking of a good one. The only thing I keep coming back to is Jack Nicholson in the shining. Just where he gets lost in the maze. And then all of a sudden it goes to me. It's just like frozen face. Possible. Yeah. I have a runner up too that I want to say. The opening scene from Jaws is such a good death scene in a horror movie. You know, I think you can say that's a horror movie. But it's like so crazy that you don't know what's happening to her. But you know it's so bad. So that's one of my favorites as well. Sammy, what's your relationship to the 1988, The Blob? You seen that? I haven't seen it. I just saw it. I play framed. It's like a daily game where it shows you frames of movies. Oh yeah. It was just the blob a couple days ago. And it made me want to see it. So I haven't seen it. Should I? It's great. Strong recommendation. I think from all three of us, right? I went to a bar of like by myself the other day. And I was just sitting there. And this guy next to me, I could hardly hear. But he's like, oh, you don't mind 1985. The blob is on. I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, I put it on. And I was just like watch, I was planning on being there for like 10 minutes. And I ended up watching the whole movie. And it's so good. The phone booth one was really good. The phone booth is. So it's all I bring it up just to say that there are a lot of really fun deaths. And they're all practical like the practical effects of the blob. A lot of smushing. A lot of smushing and gushing and a lot of acid. Yeah. Yeah. Me and that guy got real into conspiracy theories as we are watching the blob. Just a random guy at the bar. It makes sense. There's a lot of conspiratorial stuff going on in that movie. I feel like in the final destination movies, there's a lot of smushing as well. And I do love a smushing death. In final destination two, there's one where someone gets absolutely pancakeed by a plate of glass that falls on top of them. Just just just just really flattened the most the most recent one with the trash compactor. Yep. Smosh. Yep. Oh, that's a good. Lots of smushing in those movies because that always stops in movies. You never get to see that. And we finally we finally finally we made it. All right. I just want each of you to say a favorite thing about a favorite thing. It does not have to be your number one favorite thing about Halloween. You know, we got Halloween coming up. What's a favorite thing that you guys like about this season or the day itself? Whatever you want. I like that it's a uniquely orange time of year. There's a lot of orange happening. And that's just not a color. You see a lot of people dress up in or store shelves decorated with color orange. It just seems to be like a couple of weeks. You get a really distinct color. And then for the rest of the year, people are kind of, you know, we're not we're not exhibiting orange as a species. I think it sticks around for November here in the states. That's kind of a November to that's true. I think you're right. And I agree. I think that's a really great, great color, great part of this time of year. Shout out orange, you know, shout out orange. Yeah. Go ahead, Sammy. You go, you go next. I mean, mine is going to be dressing up and seeing other people's costumes. I just moved to a house where I think for the first time in a long time, I'm going to get trick or treaters. And I'm very excited seeing everybody's costumes. Some people really go all out. I try to go all out, but you have to really plan ahead if you've got you do kind of a big costume in mind. And so what do you, what's your costume this year? Yeah. You guys are getting the exclusive. We can believe you don't have to tell us what you don't want to. I'll tell you, I'm going to be Kirsch from Alien Earth. It's a very specific reference. I'm usually a man for Halloween. It just works out that way. But I'm doing it because I want to bleach my eyebrows. Oh, sweet. It's the character played by Timothy Oliphant. Yeah. And it's part of a group costume with more Alien Earth references. So. That's great. Nice. Pretty cool. Are you so deep in it? Are you like a seamstress at all? Are you like getting your hands dirty making stuff or you just. Well, last year I was a mosquito and I did do some crafting for that. I did so some some legs and wings. I did look good, but it got it got the message across. Wait, Jeff, what's your favorite thing about Halloween? I think it would be funny for like trick or treaters, you know, where people have the buckets and it says like take one candy. Yeah. I think it'd be funny to have just like a pezz dispenser and it's like just take one and they have to like open the pezz dispenser and take the pezz out. They'd be so mad. That's a skip. I we skip those. I mean, I've I would just say. I'll go and you can think about it. For me, I've been thinking about this a lot because I feel like people's decorations have gotten like more elaborate and spooky and kind of like horrific. And I really like that we're like whether or not you want to admit it, like the US was kind of founded on like Judeo Christian beliefs and that undercurrent is kind of always here. If there's like a certain propriety that people have to have. And I love that in Halloween, it just gets dropped and that people really embrace like horror, paganism, evil and paganism and all these things that typically like are shocking to Americans. People are like proudly displaying and we just kind of leave that all. Like you'll be walking in Home Depot and you see a really scary horrific mask, you know, and it's like, oh, that's crazy that that's just out and that people are all accepting this. And I really like it. So that's that's my favorite thing about Halloween is that everyone just kind of collectively is like, you know what, let's scare ourselves. Let's get kind of gross for a little bit. My friend has a two-year-old daughter who's really obsessed with babies. She has her little like baby dolls just to take care of the baby and they went into a Halloween store and apparently this year is big on like scary babies. And so there are a lot of babies with like nails in their faces, bleeding and like eyes glowing and they were really trying to keep her away from the from the scary babies, but eventually she saw them and she just laughed and laughed and laughed. Really? She loved them. That's great. I love that. I mean, my answer is just the same as Sammy's honestly. Like just seeing people dressed up in costumes is so fun and like it is at BYU, we'd sit on the wall and just watch people all day in their costumes and like going to parties, pretty good chance you see a lot of cleavage from costumes. That is all he is sweet. What? What? That's true. Let's not pretend like that's not like a key feature of Halloween for a lot of people. You don't like that. I feel like girls are like that too. Sure. Sure. You know, I'm sorry that I judged you. We all like Cleavage just fun sometimes. You just said you don't like the Judea Christian. That's true. That's true. That's true. I think over everything. Here, I'm talking about Cleavage. You can't say that. I know. I just talked about like escapism and all these terrible things. I'm clutching my pearls. All right, you're right. I'm being a hypocrite. Okay. Well, if you guys don't know this, Sammy is one of the three hosts to scary and watch, which is a podcast all about horror movies. Sammy is the horror movie fanatic out of the three and Henley and Emily don't really like scary movies. Sammy will watch them and recap them for her friends. Sammy is a bit of a horror movie expert. I wanted to ask you, Sammy, three horror movies you've watched and that you recommend since we last had you on a year ago. Funnily enough, one of the ones I was going to recommend was House, the movie that Mike brought up. So I'll I'll I'll table that one because you've already been recommended it. It's great. You watch it. Everyone. Please. I'm pleased. It is good. And this one's kind of for Mike. If I recall correctly, you are Nicholas Cage fan. Big time. Oh, yeah. Have you seen Arcadian? I haven't. No. I got to take it out. It's not the like greatest horror movie I've ever seen. It's not reinventing the wheel or anything. But it's monster slash alien design is some of the weirdest, most unexpected I have ever seen. And I think some of the filmmaking is like very effectively creepy and it did keep me on the edge of my seat and when Nicholas Cage is in it. And so that's always like a huge plus. I like my life. Yeah. Yeah. We almost watched this movie, Sammy, but our like terrible movie selection game that we use did not pick it. So we had to we had to watch something else. But I was I was rooting for it pretty hard. And then I had to watch it by myself. I recommend it. I thought it was it was a pretty fun kind of more of a like thrillery horror, but with just really, really impressive creature design and also kind of like bonkers creature design. There's parts of it where it's almost funny because you're just it's unlike anything you've seen before in a way that makes you kind of gaffaw. That is my lane entirely. That's what I'm here for. Yeah. Yeah. It's the description that reminded me a little bit of the movie frailty. I don't know if you're with Bill Paxney. That's like the two kids. One is kind of like a believer in ones more of like a non-believer. I don't know if that's much of it, but I haven't I haven't seen frailty in a long time, but it comes up a lot from our listeners. And I'd like to rewatch it. But yeah, he a Nicholas Cage plays a father with two sons. It's post apocalyptic. They're living in a world where by day everything is a somewhat idyllic post apocalyptic like farming, doing all your normal stuff, but then at night the the monsters slash probably aliens come out. That's not a spoiler. You don't really it's never really explained, but great. Arcadian. Arcadian is on Hulu. Um, second one I'll recommend as cheating because I didn't watch it since last time I was on, but I've watched I watched it a couple years ago and I feel like I never have spoken to anybody else who's seen it. So I'm going for lesser known here. It's called Daniel. Isn't real. Wes, have you seen this one? I, is this one with the Swartz and Ager T. It sure is. I have seen this one. Yeah. Yes. It's a psychological horror came out in 2019 two NEPO babies, Patrick Swartz and Ager and Miles Robbins, who is Tim Robbins son. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and Susan's chandons son. Um, and also has Sasha Lane in it who's really great. And this is one I went into knowing really nothing about it. And again, just had an unexpectedly good time. I thought the performances were very fun. If anybody has become a fan of Patrick Swartz and Ager since he was on white Lotus, I thought he was great in this thought he's great in that. Um, yeah. I like this one too. And there's like some weird like cosmic horror elements in it from what I remember. Yeah. I can't wait. I'm unexpected. I'd like to rewatch it because I haven't, I haven't actually seen it in a while, but I was just kind of thinking what I could recommend that might be a little more under the radar. A little more under the radar. Um, and then my last recommendation, West, I know you have seen this one is, uh, mads a 2024 French horror movie. Have you guys talked about this on the podcast before we haven't talked about it? Nope. It's a all done in one continuous take. Oh, it's a it's it's so impressively crafted. And it's so stressful because of the fact like by the nature of the filmmaking style, it is just like nonstop continuous. And things just keep getting crazier and crazier. And it was one of those movies that by the end of it, I like was so drained. I was so stressed for so long that by the end, I was just like, Oh my god. Um, so if you're in the mood to get pretty scared and stressed, which I often am, check out man's that one's on shutter. What's the title all about? Matt, I don't actually know. It's M A D and the S is capitalized. I don't know if it's mean something different in French, but it's a great question that I don't know. All right. It's kind of it's like in the zombie realm. Yeah. Great. Thank you, Sammy. Uh, appreciate that. And now I'm going to move on to a really quick question that I have for all three of you. Do you guys think Brendan Fraser or Rachel vice is hotter in the mummy? Oh my gosh. I was just thinking that with Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. That's a pretty equal couple. I think this one is a little more like. Yeah. Dang. For me, it's Rachel. It's got a very chill. I remember when I saw that as like this is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. Yeah. And Rachel and she's still one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. I mean, that's not a dig up Brendan Fraser. He is still very hot, but the mummy, yeah, that's that's peak for both of them. Yeah. He might be. It's a hard one. I mean, it's a hard one. I'd rather I'd rather a smooch Rachel if I'm being honest, you know. Yeah. So I gotta go. I appreciate the honesty. Yeah. Thanks. Okay. Welcome. I mean, I just murdered the Dan O' Craig, right? Brendan then. Okay. Our soul Brendan pulled out. Yeah. Okay. I think he looks better in the whale. Yeah. All right. So George, George of the jungle in my opinion, he is hot in that. And seen him and he's hot too. Link. Okay. Because I asked such terrible questions this whole episode, I am going. I cherry picked a lot of really good. Howling themed episodes from our listeners. And we're going to go over a few more than normal questions. So yeah, sorry. What did I say? Episodes. Episodes. Yeah. We are going to do their entire episodes. No questions. So we're starting with J Gabs 94. Their question was, what's more terrifying? A bear with eight legs or a bear-sized spider? Oh, for me, it's a spider. I think like a big spider is scarier than anything. And we kind of talked about how they would be like the number one predator on earth. It was big spiders. So me, it's the big spider. Can I modify it a tiny bit? Sure. There's no words here. The spider's bear size, but it has four legs. And then the bear's bear size, and it has eight legs. I like that. Yeah. How much does that decrease? It's frightening. I think he's scary. I've not said that. I know. Yeah. I think I might too. I'm getting the bear. They seem heavy too. Okay. Sammy, what's your answer? Which one's scarier? Yeah. Bear-sized spider or bear with eight legs? Yeah. I'm going to go spider too. Because they can wrap you up. They could jump across the whole, they could jump acres in a single jump probably. Yeah. They'd just be super fast. Yeah. Okay. And they can still probably paralyze you, right? I can't summon spiders like do it. Yeah. I mean, it happened a Frodo. Yeah, that's what I think. Bear wouldn't be able to move very well with eight legs either. I think you'd be able to like get away from it. Yeah. Would it be like Goro in mortal combat? Or just kind of like stands up and has all these legs? Oh, yeah. Okay. A lot of people ask them on its back, and it can like, they're just that role over. Yeah. Just rolls. That's scary. That's scarier than the spider. Okay. A lot of people ask this, but this I'm going to say Madison, Mash, 00, and everyone else said, what cryptid do you each believe the most in? And if none, which one do you wish was real? For me, it's skin walkers. Skin walkers are the one I believe in the most. But they're almost more like, I don't even know if I'd consider them a cryptid, but that's what I'm going to say. What's a skin walker? They're more, I think like a lot of indigenous mythology, they're included, and you're not even really supposed to talk about them. Oh, Sammy. Yeah. So I'm not going to, but look at convenient for less. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You struggling to come up with a good, no, I do know, but I'm not going to talk about them in detail. I'm just going to say they're the one I believe in the most. Okay. I'm not supposed to even say what mine is. Okay. Then you shouldn't say that. Don't say it. Imagine imagine a skin walker in fight club. Like that'd be the big secret of the world. Yeah. No one would be able to talk about any of that. Maybe like I do like a sea monster type thing like lockness like monsters. Yeah. That's the one you believe in the most. Yeah. Okay. I don't believe in any of them. I was going to say I also don't believe in any of them, but I think something in the ocean, it or I guess lockness is is lake, but but like mermaids or there's something down there that's okay. Yeah. What's the, it's like a bear skunk in Florida pops up every once in a while or something like that. Have you ever heard of it? Sure. There's like a swarm of skunk. Yeah. I just see a lot of stories pop up and Florida's second to the ocean, the place where something weird's got something weird is going to come out. Actually, yeah. I'd probably switch mine to vampires. Okay. Just like a really old pervert who bites people on the neck. Yeah. Seems realistic. Yeah. Remember me. Yeah. All right. This one's from the Haley underscore. Would you ever perform or participate in a seance or use a Ouija board? I have. And I would again. Oh, would do it again. All right. I did you talk to. Uh, whatever spirits are in the room. You just kind of open it. Did you get any answers? I was that how it works? I mean, I did this in like middle school. I was, I was pretty fond of my Ouija board. And I don't know. I guess I'm too confident about it now because I've played a lot. So I'm not scared. I'm not scared of it. Yeah. I did the mirror one. What's the one where you like say the woman's? Yeah, bloody Mary. And that one scares me a little more. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I'd do any of them to be honest. I kind of just like don't want to open that up even though it's probably fake. I just don't want to mess with it. Yeah. Do it if I don't have to like leave my house very far. That's exactly what I do. It's like just. But also you don't want to do it. You don't want to do it in your house, though. Because then you don't invite them in. Maybe right. I want you to bring the board. I want everyone to bring some like finger foods and some snacks like a little potluck. Let's make a whole night out of it. But I don't want to waste my night driving into some like weird basement outside the city limits or something. Yeah. That's true. Spirit floating around in my house too. It's like I might as well talk to them. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Maybe it's like a six cents in agreement here because I think if I am like going to a place where a seance is happening that brings a level of validity to it or like professionalism to it. That makes it scarier. Because I too am picturing it in my house. I'm picturing myself as a teenager in the bathroom with a Ouija board, which feels pretty safe. But if I'm going to the woods with practice, say on people, that's I might I might not do that. What if it was at your house and all your friends were there and the ghost started saying something really embarrassing about you. Like it's like stop jerking and you're like No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No Yeah, wolves are like haunting. A wolf-halle is very haunting and beautiful. Coyote, like, scream-halle's sound like evil to me. Even though I don't think they're evil animals at all, their house sound very like sinister. I just watched a movie with boxes at nighttime and those also sound very scream-like. And it's just, yeah, the not being able to tell if it's human or not is, I think, adds some scaryness there. We had a fox scream in our neighborhood once that me and Jesse both woke up and thought a woman was screaming like in the road and then we saw that it was a fox. That's a good answer. Maybe like a lion roar? Yeah, I'm not being scary. He's scared of I heard that. I was thinking along those same lines, like a T-Rex or something. T-Rex. Which is just like a lion, a koala, right? Yeah, that's what it is. Tiger lion. That's right, it's a hot back whale outside of your window. Okay, heck Haley and a lot of other people also asked this one, what would be the spookiest animal ghost? Ooh, I just, I wouldn't want a dog ghost. I feel like they wouldn't leave you alone. They'd always like, like, you don't want it in a way animal. You got to get them treats all the time. Right. Maybe like a shark ghost in your pool in the backyard or something? Shark ghost is where my mind went. Yeah. I think they're just, they're so beautiful to see swim around. It'd be cool to have a shark swimming in and out of your room. Right. I think I'd be friends. That's my shark ghost. Yeah. They make a movie called Shark Ghost. Is there a, is there a, is there a shark ghost? Probably. They're probably in the surface. Yeah. Okay. Do you think they have to be in water? I don't know. I don't think so. My shark ghost can go in. So what? Our ghost can go into ocean as much as they were. Sure. I think so because you don't have to, you don't have to breathe anymore. I don't. Yeah. Why don't we do that as much? Well, we just ask our ghost what's at the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. She was saying on to get real quick, Sammy. Cameraman, James Cameron, we got to come here and with the spirits. We got to whip out the Ouija board. Tell me what's at the bottom of the ocean. I know you can go there. You don't need to breathe anymore. Even if you have a bid, go down and come back. How true is the Meg? Yeah. How true is the Meg? It's not true. Those billionaire ghosts, those guys that blew up in that submarine are probably ghosts down there looking at the Titanic. Yeah. All right. This one's from Emla's Sullivan for the third year in a row. What animal do you think would make the best zombie? For me, what I thought of, you guys are going to like the sensor, a mosquito, would make the best zombie because it would very easily pass around the zombie virus and you wouldn't even notice it. Would they do that? So for me, a mosquito would be very effective zombie. Because they like suck out out of you. But they also, they don't like bite you. But they throw up inside of you. That's what makes you hitch. So mosquito for sure. I have a tube. So my answer is a B because the name would be funny. It'd be a zombie. And they pollinate all of our food, which means basically like the entire food chain is just going to be zombie virus infection. Who? That would be effective. Yeah. See? Come up with a better answer than that. I'll say it's not better. It's obviously not better. I'll say based on Jeff's earlier point, I'll say dogs just because they're kind of like everywhere already. And I feel like they are always in our proximity. And they could. Or a T-Rex. Oh my gosh. Or T-Rex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whales. That's a way. That goes to shark zombies. T-Rex. Yeah. Of course. What's an animal just like that kind of just gets worked all the time by everything. Like a bunny rabbit. Like a... Like a... Like a... Like give them something they can get back. Yeah. Back a little, you know? And chill. Sure. I like that. Amanda, 2741. What is a villain you believe you could take? Like a horror movie villain. Chucky. Actually no. Yeah. So I rewatched the first couple of Chucky movies. He is resilient. You think you kill him. See that? And they do. They put him through the ring or they burn him. They chop his head off. Everything. Like even at a certain point I was like, okay, there's no way he can come back like an eighth time. But he does. In the same movie. It's crazy. Yeah. You got to put him into like a woodchipper or something. Yeah. Traffic probably still comes back. Yeah. And you never know what's going to be a Chucky then, you know? Yeah. Right. You just made a more compact. Maybe he's going to put his spirit into like your phone or your AirPods or something. You don't want Chucky AirPods. Right. All right. Uh-huh. I picked Michael Myers. Yeah. He's slow. He's slow and he like lets you see him too. Yeah. He's not discrete. No. So I just feel like I have sex. He's kind of in there. That's true. Yeah. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Sex. I'll give you a picture. All right. Can you take Michael Myers? What happens with his face? He's not. He's not one that put a sex. That's Jason Voorhees. Right. Jason's more of the sex habit. Yeah. Well, it's kind of gets some people out of sex, I think. Sure. But like if Jason, the first Mike Halloween, the- Yeah. There's a- Girls room mate and a boyfriend. They're all scared. You're right. Yeah. You know your sex stuff. Not your sex stuff. You got it on lock. Yeah. All right. Sammy and Jeff, what horror movie villain are you squaring off against? I mean, I'll say that I do think I would die in every- Every scenario. Thank you for specifying that. I don't think I'm- I don't think I'm super resilient in- Near death situations, but- I'm looking at a list right now and- I'll go with pinhead just because I'd like to see him and- I think he's kind of hot. Yeah. Cool. The whole BDSM thing kind of has to be thinking a little bit- Kind of a sexy way to go if I don't know. Right. Yeah. It's a pleasure saying, you know, you don't know. Yeah. Say don't mask his from hell. Yeah. Okay. I feel like I could take a house like all those haunted houses. Yeah. Just like- Yeah. Bulldozer. Okay. Any haunted houses- Castus bell inside of there and it's like they're gone now. All right. I'm going to do a couple more. I liked this one from mandy.m.taylor. $1 million, the person you love most is buried alive with a 1% chance of not getting out. Do you do it? Wait. Say what? You get a million dollars, but the person you love the most has a 1% chance of being buried alive with it and they can't get out. Would you do it? I have a 99% chance of surviving is what you're saying. Yeah. So no, they're not going to get buried. There's a 1% chance that they're going to be buried alive and they can't get out. The other 99% nothing happens. So they have a bag with a 100 rocks inside of it. If you draw the red rock, your person you love the most is buried alive and they can't get out. Yeah. Are you doing a shake? No, and it's economy a million dollars. No. It doesn't go that far. I would do it just because I'm curious who the person I love most at this point in my life. I just want to. Yeah. The scenario would reveal that to you. Yeah. Yeah. It honestly might be one of you two for me. Right. And then it's like even in that 1% chance if one of you die, the me and the other person get to split tooth and claw 50, 50 now. That's good. I'm still making money. Yeah. Yeah. Make it more money. I'll be sad. I didn't get the million, but I'll still be happy about that. I don't think I'm doing it. I don't think I could. That's like the worst possible thing ever. So yeah. Okay. All right. A couple more. Do you guys prefer the Scooby-Doo Scooby Gang or the Buffy Scooby Gang? Buffy. Rapid. Yeah. Buffy for me. The what? Jeff. The Scooby Scooby Gang or the Buffy Scooby Gang? Oh. I don't know. Just. I'm confused. I'm confused. I'm confused. I'm confused. I'm confused. All right. We finally had a point where Jeff's tired of listening to questions. All right. One more than from Jeff Reward, what animal gives you pumpkin, pumpkin spice latte vibes? Hmm. What animal? Yeah. For me, it's like a chimpanzee. Squirrels, I'm always more into in the fall and that's how I am with pumpkin spice. Okay. Sure. Okay. I can see the red squirrel. I can see the red squirrel. Red panda is a good one. I was thinking more of like a kind of dog, like a designer dog type of thing. Yeah. Don't you think? Like kind of one of those fluffy pomeranians. Just. Yeah. Like a doodle. Yeah. That's a great pick. That's the right pick. It's just because that's who's who's in the photos with the pumpkin spice. Yeah. People. I've never had one. I've never tried one. They're okay. I think they're okay. They're great. I'm not a pumpkin fan of pumpkin flavor guy. So. Yeah. You're not missing, you know, enough. A lot. Weird air if you were. Yeah. Well, some people aren't. Try one. Yeah. If I just love pumpkin spice, but I. Yeah. Well, you could freeze to try a lot. Yeah. It's a good point. Okay. Well, that's it for the episode. Sammy, thank you as always for joining us. Thanks. I like. Like we mentioned earlier, Sammy's podcast is called Too Scary Didn't Watch. It's one of my all-time favorites. Do you got anything. Coming up, coming you want to plug? When does this episode come out? This will come out on Monday. We are going to be doing a virtual live show on October 26th, our Halloween live show, where we're going to be recapping anti-Christ, which I am very excited. Special guest, Peter Thiel. Oh my God. I forgot that. It's so obsessed with that. It had like a 10 minute tangent on it on a platform. And we'll all be dressed up. It's going to be a good time, anti-Christ. There's some really tough stuff in that movie. Is that my co-hosts? Co-hosts are not going to. They're not going to like that. They're not going to like it at all. And I'm going to be just giddy. I think this will be our one and only plug for anti-Christ event. And then recently we had Wes on for Dangerous Animals, the Shark movie that came out this year and that was super fun. So check out that episode as well. I love that movie. I thought it was great. Yeah. Sengai is the loved ones, which we get another great horror movie. And another like all-time or death or... That's insane. Yeah, or lobotomy. I was going to say maybe they don't actually die, which is worse. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you, Sammy. If you are itching for some more tooth and claw Sammy content, me and Mike are going to have Sammy on for a quick subscriber, no pants, horror movie, or I forget what we call it. But we'll explain that, Sammy, once we start it. So yeah, if you've been looking for a good reason to subscribe, there you go. That's coming up a little bit. But thanks again for joining us. And sorry guys, that I repeated another story. Yeah, it's good. All right. We love you. All right. We love you. See ya. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.