Rachel Dratch

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Before we start, we always like to talk to someone who knows our guest, is a fan of our guest, has a question that they want to give me. And I'm very excited to talk to Kevin Kahoon today. Kevin is a dear friend of Rachel. He is an incredible actor, musical, theater, pro. And Tony nominated for the great musical Shucked. And you can catch him in a million other things. And Kevin is zooming in to get things started. Kevin, hi. This episode is presented to you by Paul Molyev. Some of the best members you'll ever make or around the dinner table. You'll never regret trying out those new recipes that may or may not go sideways or putting on a spread so big that your in-laws are still talking about it years later. Brownie points. So when it comes to the dishes, it's nice to know that there's a product that works as hard as you do. Paul Molyev Ultra removes up to 99.9% of grease, leaving your dishes sparkling clean. Visit PaulMolyev.com shop now. Get up, buddy, say, all I ever wanted was a really good hang. Amy. Hi. I feel so lucky. I feel so lucky. I'm the luckiest. I get to see you on this tube thing. I know. I wish we were having margaritas with scratch. Hey, listen, wouldn't that be great? That's a good hang right there. That is for listeners. I've had a few margaritas with Kevin and Dratch over the years. Pre-show, post-show, because both of you are on Broadway. Well, listen, anytime I can hang out with you. How are you? I'm so great. How are you? Where are we talking to you from? I am in Texas at my mom's place, rural Texas, outside of Houston. It's a sunny day. It's been a few days of torrential rain. I'm dealing with these wild hogs. I know this is crazy. They're wild feral hogs that show up in the middle of the night and they tear up your property. They travel in packs of 30. I've set up alarms all around and I think they're working. But last night we had a few come and the alarms went off in the middle of the night, which there's nothing more terrifying. I'm good with animals and I grew up with a lot of animals and I'm fine with animals. Not a fan. It's like a Google, if anyone wants to Google, Texas wild feral hogs. Well, I mean, the thing that I was so excited to talk to you about today is that you, like many of us, deeply love our guest, Rachel Latch. Beyond. Tell me how you two first met. We met doing a musical called Minsky's in LA, written by Charles Strauss and Susan Birkenhead and Bob Martin. It was coming to Broadway, a star-studded cast, and it closed in LA, which is, you know, the great show Biz Tail. But what you take away from experiences like that are the people, and you usually have one or two from each show, and I fell in love with Rachel immediately. What's not to fall in love with? And she had told me she had gone to a psychic that I think you had bought her this psychic reading for her birthday. That's right. I should talk to her about that because if she's open to it, because her and I both went to the same psychic at the same time when we were both pregnant. Yes, that's right. And she had gone to, we had, before the show, we would go, I would go to her dressing room and we would have a day catch-up. What'd you do today? Who'd you see? Where'd you lunch? And she had said, I went to the psychic, and the psychic told me that our show was going to close out of town. And we were like, they're crazy. That'll never happen. We're moving into the St. James Theater. Well, the psychic was right. But anyway, that was probably 15, 16, 17 years ago, and it has just been the most nourishing, fulfilling, steadfast friendship that I could have ever, ever imagined. And then I've gotten to have new friends like you that I have met through Rach. And you know that they're a good friend when you meet their friends, and those friends become your friends as well. So it's just been the most rewarding friendship I could have ever imagined. I hear you. I feel the same. I feel like there's a few friends that, and it's proven to be true now that Rachael and I have been friends for almost 30 years. There's a few people that you know in success and in, quote, failure, in good times and in bad times. They're going to weather that storm with you. And that's not always the case with everyone. Sometimes people are better when things are going badly, right? They're like, they like that. And sometimes people want to hear when you're succeeding. That's when they want to be along for the ride. But Rachael Dratch definitely is there for both, if you're lucky enough to have her as your friend. That is so true. And she's a wonderful gift giver. She never forgets an occasion where she's going to bring you a little something. You know, I did a Broadway show that ran nine months and she was there opening night. She was there closing night. She was there in between. She came again. She brought friends. It's just she is a cheerleader for those that she loves. She is a champion. She'll go to bat. She just life is a little brighter when Rachael is around. Kahoon. Let's talk about Shucked, which is the show you're talking about. That's true. Yes. I loved you in it and loved that show so much. You were so dear to come. Of course. It meant the world to me. And let me tell you what, Amy Poehler, you're one of those friends. Because not only did you come to Shucked, I did a production of La Caja Fall in the fall. You came to La Caja Fall. You are there. I mean, you're, you know, you birds of a feather fly together. You guys are just exemplary friends. Oh, friend. Thank you for saying that. That means a lot. And I love, I mean, it's not hard work to go to a really fun show and watch you. Before we get to your question, I do want to, I'm going to talk to Dratch a little bit about her, her Tony Nomm and her show, POTUS and how, I mean, because I know from being her friend, how positive an experience that was for her, like great women that she became really good friends with, a Tony Nomm, a hilarious part. Do you remember that time and what she said about that experience when she was working on that show? Well, here's the incredible thing. And it's so rare. She got a Tony nomination for her Broadway debut. Damn. Ever happens. That is like remarkable. And I've seen Rachel on stage so many times at the public, Shakespeare in the Park, Manhattan Theater Club. She is always the standout. And when you do a Broadway show, whether you want to admit it or not, there's always a part of you that thinks maybe, just maybe that childhood dream would come true. That show that I watched once a year in June, maybe I could be a part of that show. And then when it happens, it is just, it's the most, it's the biggest embrace you could ever imagine from a community that you've always wanted to be a part of. And, you know, a lot of people probably know Rachel from television and from film, but her theater career is just as sparkling and just as dynamic and diverse as her impact on TV and film. Yes, she's played so many different types of characters. It's actually a good question. She's played like men and dogs and people and like mothers and robots and whatever. She can do it all. She can do everything. That's why you hire Rachel. It's so true. We should all be as versatile as Rachel Dratch, you know. Okay. So, Kev, what do you think, I mean, I could talk to Dratch and we'll probably today forever about so many things to pass the present, the future. Anything you think I should ask her today? Yes. It was hard to pick one question. I have two that I think are sparkly. One is about the theater because I feel like a lot of people don't realize that Rachel Dratch was a theater kid. And she went to theater camp and her dream and ambition was to be in plays and in musicals. And then her career took a brilliant detour. I would ask her, little Rachel Dratch going to theater camp, what were her three beacons of light in the American theater, a musical, a performer? Who was it that filled her with, I want to do that? That's what I want to be when I grow up. Such a good question. That was the one question. And then this is something that inspires me about Rachel. She brought us all Debbie Downer, one of the most iconic American comedic characters. When Rachel Dratch is thinking about feline aids and North Korean train accidents and insurrections, what is that catalyst that gets her out of her doom and gloom and brings her back to reality? That would be another question. Debbie would want me to point out that it is good that you brought up feline aids because it is the number one killer of domestic cats. Well, that's true. Listen, we've talked about feral hogs and feline aids. What's next, baby? Texas, baby. These are such good questions, Kevin. And I don't think she knows that I'm talking to you today. I did not tell her. Okay, good. I didn't tell her either. We had a little kiki yesterday and I was zipped, lipped. Oh my God, I'm so happy because she's going to be so happy. These are really good questions. And I think nobody loves a good question more than Dratch. Like if you asked Dratch a good question, she's like, that's such a good question. She will say that. I guarantee you. She will. And I had told Blake Lee, who was on, who's a dear mutual friend of ours. She was on for Dakota. I told him not five days ago, Amy, it was like, you were so incredible on Amy's podcast. It's so fabulous that you were on there. It is so chic. What a cool thing. I'm so proud of you. And then my phone dinged and it was you and it just, I can't thank you enough. Are you kidding me? Thank you for taking a break from fighting the hogs. And, and if, you know, if you are eventually eaten by them, just know that our time together was so special to me. It was, and I cherish every single minute. All right, I can't wait to see you in New York, friend. I love you so much. Thank you. Thanks so much for doing this. Rachel Dratch is here. Are we starting? Is it official? Yeah. And we need to talk about, wait, what? What do you got? What do I have to do? Let's get started here. I'll get this. Rachel is pulling out the world famous. You've seen it. You've seen them before. This is my new trademark, everybody. These are going to get the Smithsonian. This is going to be a county of TV and radio. This is my, by the way, I didn't, I didn't tangle this. This is how it came out where I was storing it. This is the, this is their natural state, world famous. Rachel Dratch headphones. It was a shot fired her around the world. These headphones is where it all began. The chaos beginning. Oh my, now. Look at that. Now that I'm with Amy. Everything's all right. We don't even use these, but I have to bring those up. Dratch, the historical item. Of course Dratch brings a prop. Brings a prop from home. For people that didn't see our first episode of Good Hang, Dratch was in the group that was talking about our guest Tina Fey, and boy did we have a good time. Oh my God. That was like probably my biggest laugh of the year. I just watched it again on the way over here, and we're going to get into it today that there are- Of course we are. People need to hear the behind the music. Where were you when you saw the clip? I mean, I owe you money for that clip. I owe you money for that clip. But it really was like, it started off the entire vibe of the show. I'm so grateful for it, because it started off exactly what I was hoping, which is I was hoping that this would be like fun and easy and a laugh. And that was the deepest laugh Dratch. It was such a good laugh. Imagine your best laugh ever, and then it's recorded for you to watch again. That never happens, because you can't plan that. No, no. Also having Fred and Seth and Zarna there, and there's really no better, I would say, partner than Seth when Dratch is dratching, because he's so good at keeping things moving in a way or something. And he was making me laugh so much. Dratch, we're probably going to cut all this out. And then when I was like, I'm holding everything up, and he's like, no, this is how she wanted to start. He was the perfect foil. The comedy foil. Also the thing that gets me, which is such an improv and such a good example of what a good listener you are, is that at the very end you clap, which is what we asked you to do 15 minutes before it gets started. God, that clap. And it was the beginning, people. Comedy 101. Second prop use of this. Flaas has Dratch just swirling her ice drink. Okay. But it is like that. I have to say, when I was thinking about what to talk about today, it's like we have had deep laughs. We have. It's like the hot, and you love, you love to laugh. And the way Dratch has many kinds of laughs. You have. Like I know people have done your laugh to you. Oh yeah. Also, when you go into like a level two laugh, when you're going down deep, you go, like you get very old school. Oh my gosh. We do. I just need to say though, that when that was happening, that I didn't know that was going to be used for on camera, which made you not tell me. I looked back at the texts. And I had. No, no, I don't mean that. I mean, it was the best thing ever. But I just mean for people wondering like, why'd you order food, right? When I was there was a podcast. Like, what are you still with audio? What did you, well, because I thought it was like a half hour of time. True. And then it came very quickly. And then my dog barked. And then. And your dog's name is. And then my dog's name is Ruffles. And Ruffles started barking. Anyway, sorry, go ahead. Do you remember, I think we talked about it. There was a hilarious, whoever is the TikToker who did this, somebody posted through many clips of it. And then someone went and looked at your chart. Yes. My, my horoscope, whatever, Zodiac. Well, so I'm what's I, Pisces, I didn't know this word. Stelium means all your things are in the same sign, like every single thing. But I guess there's one little thing, but this woman, she did my chart on TikTok. And she was laughing really hard. She's like, how is this woman surviving with everything in Pisces? She's like, she's, she's somehow she's making it work. But then I guess there's like one thing in Capricorn. And she goes, this Capricorn is holding the whole rest of it all together. It's doing the work of, you know, 10,000 men or something. And that kind of Pisces final boss. Yes. And I have wondered if I, other people were talking about ADHD, I guess. And I have wondered if I have that as an adult. I don't know. But that, if you look at that clip, you're going to be like, yep. I feel like it's like, I mean, we talk about it like in, you know, the Pisces being a shorthand for like, you know, it's in its best chaos. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. But we're opposite. We are. Amy's Virgo. By the way, I don't know much about science, but I just know about that. I don't know. I do like astrology. I think it's cool. We like astrology. We like anagram. We like anything that like is about personality stuff. Yes. But what's fun about talking about Pisces and Virgo is Pisces are kind of the fish that are floating through life. And Virgo is the virgin setting the rules. I don't know. And, but I find like we do do, I mean, I, I, I feel like you do definitely have a dream like approach and an adventurous approach to life. I would say that. Yes. Yes. I think you are like a curious traveler and, and you definitely don't. I feel shy. I feel shy. I feel shy. I feel shy. I feel shy. She got shy. Did you see what happened? The curious traveler. I'm trying to be myself. I can't see. It was like a cloud, a shy cloud came over. You are kind of shy. I am shy. Yes. It goes without saying we've been friends for 30 years. We are often mistaken for being the same person or like just the other day someone, we were in a public bathroom and someone was like, I saw your sister in the bathroom. Like they think we're sisters. But you and I did, do definitely have like, if, if life was like a rom-com, like we would be like growing up next to each other. Yes. So walking by each other in the mall. Yes. So talk to people who don't know, you're like early Dratch, where did she grow up? What was her life like? Early Dratch grew up in Lexington, Massachusetts next town over from Amy, but we didn't know each other. Although if, well, we did work in the same ice cream store, which we always have to say called Chadwix. And if you don't know that, I'm not even living under a rock. But anyway, we got grew up in Lexington and I don't know, I was, I was shy when I was little, but I was always, I mean, I watched SNL when I was in third grade at someone else's house at a sleepover. Like their older brother was watching it and I was immediately like, what is this? But I definitely was, I mean, I don't know about you either. I don't, I wasn't like, I'm going to be an actor when I grow up at all. No, I don't think I even knew that was a job really. Yeah. It was sort of like maybe a little dream with the bike. Like when I saw Annie, you know, the musical, I'm like, how are they up there? Where do I get one of those buckets? You know, like, but. Annie. I mean, there should be a documentary about women, our age and how we were affected by Annie. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, and then I did school plays, but I definitely was not like the queen of the drama club, you know, I just did it for fun. You did get a superlative though, and it was. I did. I got class clowns. Did you get class? Or did you guys do those stupid things? We had class clown, but I didn't get it. What? I'd like to know who did. I was the second runner up for most casual. Most casual. It's like, what did that even mean? I don't know if it's in manner or dress, but didn't even get to superlative. Kind of casual. Class clown. Class clown. But, um, then let's see. I don't know. I then, uh, oh, and then also, well, my dad was very funny, as you know. Yep. Paul Dratch. Paul Dratch. Um, and, uh, so we just kind of had like, you know, he would do like kind of, oh, this is funny. I ran into someone, um, whose dad had gone to high school with my dad back when I was in high school, you know, at the house. Yeah. And then she said, oh, my dad said your dad used to always do impressions of the teachers when they left the room and have everyone laughing. Yeah. So like, I just sort of had the, it was in my blood. No, but I mean, it was sort of like, in the atmosphere. And then, um, But you did school plays. Yeah. I mean, getting class clown, you gotta be funny. I guess like in junior high, I started kind of like pipe up one-liners for the back of the room kind of thing. Yeah. But, um, much to the chagrin of teachers, I'm sure. But, um, but then when I got to college, then there was an improv group there. And then I was cut. Like I didn't even know what improv was back then. No, when you go to, so you're in high school in Lexington, Massachusetts, which a shot heard around the world that we just mentioned, um, uh, like the, the birthplace of democracy, um, right next to it was Burlington, Massachusetts, where I was from. And let's be honest, they were not different at all. There was maybe, right? Oh my God, look at Dr. She just bled. It was the first time she said it. Well, I was going to say I exaggerated for effects. Okay, okay. I exaggerated for effects. That's so funny. Okay, okay. But we shared them all. We shared them all. Well, we, I often hung out at the Burlington mall. Yes. We probably passed each other. We did. I think we did. At the Brigham's or something. Like we definitely, I felt like we had very parallel lives, like short blue-eyed Massachusetts girls who, um, like we're good students, but wanted to be funny. And, um, and the, the Lexington, I always used to joke that Lexington is like for Parks and Recs fan, like Parks and Rec fans, Lexington was the Eagle 10 and Burlington was the pondy is how it felt. Like we thought Lexington was where the rich people were. And I always Burlington, Oh, I didn't think about, no, I'm just kidding. I'm like, how do I, how do I get Amy to see? Um, no, first of all, I worked at Caldoors, which is in, across the Burlington line, across town lines to run to Caldoors with the Burlington bad girls. And our teams played each other on Thanksgiving day. And so since then we always call it, well now they don't anymore, but we used to call each other up on Thanksgiving. Yeah. We used to trash. Yeah. We used to trash talk each other on Thanksgiving. And then you go to Dartmouth. I went to Dartmouth. Ivy League, Rachel. Yes. And very, very like, what was your experience there? Like, did you like it? Well, great question. Um, it was, but I went back in the 80s and it was, it was very conservative back then, um, which I didn't even really know what that meant, but it was just like, um, it took me a while to find my people there. Like, you know, I had friends at the beginning and everything, but then the general ethos of it, I didn't feel like I really matched with. Right. Um, and then I saw the improv group, like I have some friend of mine from like acting class or whatever. It's like, come check this out. And as soon as I saw it, I was like, not like this, but I was kind of like, oh, I feel like I could do this. This is exact, this is, we have very similar stories because same thing. I went to Boston college. I was trying to figure out how I fit in big, I didn't know that part of it. Like, like, I was in a sports school, like, and lots of, um, like, uh, uh, private school kids, people, which as much as we joke with Lexie, like we didn't have like that prep school vibe of like, and I was like, what person is that? Yeah. That was a big vibe. I can remember going into people's dorm rooms and being like, how do you know how to get your dorm rooms so ready so fast? And they're like, I was living in Deerfield. I spent three years at Deerfield and that's how. I didn't know that you felt that way too. Yeah. And so I saw an improv group my freshman year. My mother's flee bag. Yes. And yours was? Said and done. Oh, good. Let's talk about it. Nothing like those improv names. Our friend Brian Stack, who was a performer at Tekken City used to like love to talk about good and bad improv names and like how they would either be really goofy, like pun filled or they would be very like serious and pretentious. Oh, I haven't heard the seriousness. There was one and if anyone's listening and as part of the group, I enjoy your work and I respect your work. But one of them he said was called Society's Mirror. No. Is that real? Good question. I don't know. I'm there's no way to check. Like I could look at it on my laptop but I think it's out of batteries. Okay. So you did you do were you in said and done? So then yes. And then I got into said and done and then I was like, oh, like these are the fun people, you know. But you were a theater kid. I well, I mean, I don't know. I just did like you did plays, right? Did you do plays? Theater camp? I did go to theater summer theater camp. Yes. But not like one of those like I'm not saying this to be like it wasn't like those ones like the real ones. Yeah. Professional like, you know, kids that were it was just like suburban Boston, like, you know, whatever. But um, but yeah, then I that's where I met our Pell Alec. But um, but yeah, I wasn't like, like the star of anything. Like I wasn't like rolling in and then like the lead and everything I started out like everything I started out like the chorus and then you move up a little bit the next year. Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah. And I think like me and you like, we didn't really know anyone that were actors or writers growing us. I thought that would be a job. Right. Right. Did you have like an idea as a kid what your job would be? I mean, like every kid in third grade, I wanted to be marine biologist like, like, like us all, right? Um, but no, I mean, I don't want to be a marine biologist. What do we think we're going to do? I don't know, like play with dolphins and save the nature. I mean, I actually legitimately was like very in and still I'm like nature, like a career for in saving nature was like something I actually when I was little. Like then, when I got, then as you know, I wanted to be a therapist. Um, but I also like every time I'd see a movie, I was like, oh, like I was just really intrigued, but I had no idea how you ever did that. And I also to be really like not self-debrate with it wasn't like I had felt like I had special skill in acting or anything, but I loved like cracking jokes and doing. But yeah, you don't think you're skilled because it's like not like why I'm an actor. Like not like that, but just like I like comedy and like watching it. And like, I had a group of funny friends too. So we would always like, you know, I'm a legit funny friend. So that was also sort of like practice. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. So you get to Dartmouth, you graduate and what was your degree in? It was drama and then I minored in psychology. Right. And then, oh, so my improv group, sophomore summer, we're on campus. We took this little like trip because one of the guys from the group was from Chicago. So we went out to Chicago for a week just to like check out Second City, improv Olympic and just like, you know, go to all the little sites there. And then I was like, okay, maybe when I graduate, I'll come back here and like try this, you know? And I sort of just wanted to try it more to know that I'd given it a shot. I don't know how you were about this, but I was kind of, all you hear is like, it's so hard, you're never going to make it. Like that's all you hear. When so then I was like buying into that. And then I was like, okay, I'm just going to go out and try Chicago. And then I won't make it. And then I'll come back and be a therapist in suburban Boston. And, but then like very, then like, I mean, I don't know how much she's going to, but right when I got there, I did not get into classes at Second City. Like I heard like everyone auditions gets into classes and then I didn't get into classes. And then I was like, oh, like what did I do? But then I just stuck it out and then I took class like later. Like everything I did, I kind of didn't get the first time around sort of. Interesting. Interesting. Like, like that. And then like touring company audition didn't get in. Then like, well, SNL audition two times, like just, but then you kind of get used to that, I guess, I don't know. But, but anyway, yes. So then I eventually got into the classes and then did like little theater things there and eventually got into the touring company. So you get to Chicago and do you remember when we first met? I do. Well, in my memory, we were in the lobby of Second City and you had just moved there and you were in the touring company, I guess. I don't know if you were in it yet or just coming around to check it out or something. But anyway, I remember meeting you and I remember you being really friendly and like, I would just say like sunshiney. Like it's not you, you don't always remember meeting someone for the first time, but I do remember at least in my mind, this was first time. And I just remember you were like very like, like you are, you were very friendly and smiley and, you know, cute little blondie. I remember meeting you, but I didn't meet you. I saw you. So I arrived and you were kind of the junior to my freshman in Chicago, I would say. And I saw you on stage. You were in Lois Kaz, an improv show, very like kind of famous improv show named after a woman that worked in the office or something. I don't sketch an improv and comedy. It's just like music, right? Like it's like, oh, go check out this cool band. Like, oh, these two people are singing together. You know, you just were like watching groups and trying to figure out what was good. What did you like? And Lois, the show that you were in was just like, oh, these are the cool, good improvisers, go see them. And I remember so the first time I saw you before we met, I saw you on stage. And I just remember, you know, I think like when you see someone on stage for the first time, it's very, it's a very interesting dynamic. Like you're just like forever looking up to them like it feels like. And I just was like, oh, she's so funny. Like just loved being like watching you perform like just and and you know, subsequently, like we got to know each other in Chicago and I was your understudy for touring company. For sure. Yeah. So what is touring company for people who don't know? Well, it's like your first step to getting into Second City and you're not out on the road like for big long times. You're just like, you're going to Indiana for the weekend, like that kind of thing. Yeah. And it's just sort of like cutting your teeth. And I mean, you get paid of minimal sums. You're like, it's your first like I'm a working actor, you know. Yeah. And it's sort of your first step to moving up the ladder there. Yeah. So we didn't get to tour together because I was only filling in when you were. And then Amy struck out and moved to New York and started UCB, which I told you before that I was always just like, what are you guys like? I didn't know you guys that well, but I was just like, what are they doing? Like they're on track to, you know, you were already very successful in Chicago or like, what are successful, like, known to be good improvisers, whatever. But, but then like you definitely would have moved up the ranks at Second City, but you guys had this like pioneer spirit of moving here and starting. It's kind of like if we're if the Drachenpolarromcom is happening, this is where the left we kind of separate for a little bit to go find our own. Right. Because I moved to New York, you're on a main stage in a very famous show at Second City, and then you meet Tina when? Oh, so then Tina joined them, the next show, then they changed it to three men, three women, which was like revolutionary. Everyone was like, what? I know. But three women together. I know. But then Tina came in for the next show, my second show on main stage called Citizen Gates, and she was, of course, hilarious from the get go. And then we did two shows together. And then I started to get more comfortable up there and like being better at creating characters and all that. And then Tina went off to write for SNL after the second, her second show. And then I stayed there. How many more years did you stay? I was, well, I was four years on the main stage. And it was such a fun job. I mean, it might have been like my favorite job ever. Yeah, like to take us back to what it was like a day when you were on the main stage. Oh, my gosh. What was that day like? Well, I mean, I remember like you'd sleep really late much later than I do now. But I just, well, then you're writing the show. If you're rehearsing, you're writing the show by day. So you're in rehearsal all day. So and that, but you never wrote like how we did at SNL where you were like at a typewriter, what a typewriter. Okay. Word processor. I think I got a good one here. Give me more paper. I'm not a paper, Schultzie. Ding. Okay. Computer is what they're called now, but I know like you, it's not like SNL when you're like, oh, let's think of something. We're in an office. It was all on its feet and like just someone had an idea. Yeah. And you just, and then you try it on front of the audience or the audience would give a suggestion and then a scene would really hit from an audience. Let's try that again, but let's change this. So that's how we wrote the thing. And then eventually like the show would be done and it'd be set and then you just do the show night after night. But the show is like sketch, like for those that don't know, like SNL. And then afterwards you'd improvise every night pretty much. 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Like, oh, no, this is the night where I have to try to get on the show because you audition basically every week and I haven't written anything yet. And I'm so tired and I'm going to let the host down. I'm going to let every myself down. Now that there's like this show comes out on Tuesdays, I don't know. There's just something like, but yes, I think people are aware of the dread, but what what just came up? Which particular type of dread? I don't know. I just thought of like walking in there and like pitching the hallway. And I think I thought you were going to like go to the audition, but no, that I'm like right in that hallway. I'm in the hallway. Amy, I'm in the hallway. Stay in the hallway. Stay in the hallway. Stay there. Rachel, I can feel your feet on the ground. It comes lower down the hallway. OK. So you're there by that's hard being the only new cast member. That was hard. Yeah. I can't I cannot tell a lie. That was hard because that place is like, well, I think, you know, some people like when Will Ferrell came in, I think is the year that like a whole bunch of new people, they were like the freshman class. And then you're all like in it together. But when you come in, you're like, no one's like, you know, here's how this works in here. And it's just you're kind of just like, hey guys, what's, you know, wandering the halls kind of. It definitely feels like the high school version of like your tray in the lunchroom. Like, where do I sit? Yeah, for sure. I mean, Tina was there. So that was good because she knew how already she knew the system, obviously. But like I had someone to write with. Yeah, because some people come in there and they're great. But if they if they don't know how to write, like also the writing for SNL is very different for writing for Second City. Like a scene that killed a second city, you couldn't get it on SNL because it's just different. Like and at the time you're like, but this is awesome. But now like with more wisdom, I'm like, why wouldn't it work? Just because like a scene in the theater like could take longer to get going. You didn't need to have like laugh, laugh, laugh. Like it's like people in the theater are just like into seeing this character kind of do their thing. But it has to know how to be like, you need laughs like off the bat. We need to know what this is right away. And I don't know, just just one thing. Do you remember the first scene on SNL that like you got we're getting laughs and you thought like, it's working like that. I felt like no. Gosh, I don't remember the first because I remember the first few times I got on. Like I wasn't even I like left my body. So I don't remember like this is going really well. I was just like, I'm on like that kind of thing. Well, the first very first show I wasn't in like the, you know, season premiere, whatever. Right. And like you've told all your friends like, I'm on this and everyone's watching it. Your scene gets cut like it does. And then the next week, the same thing happened. Seeing got cut. So it was like the third week. Who was the host, you remember the one that I got on was, I should know this. Oh my God. Well, I know the first one was Jerry Seinfeld. Then it was Norm MacDonald. And then it was. And does not compute. Oh my God, I don't. It's funny that the brain remembers trauma. So you remember the two shows that you were on. Dana Carvey. I don't have to go. They're going to do those three guys in a row. That's what year was it? Dratchy was 1999. Third episode. Okay. This will be a fun game. Dana Carvey. Okay. I'm going to. And I'm going to have you guess the musical guest because that's always fun too. So 1999. I don't remember anything. No. 1999 SNL. Hosts. And don't worry, we're going to keep all. Let me tell you one cool thing though. Let me tell you. I just started that. Wait, let me tell you one cool thing though. Please. Please. The very first musical guest was David Bowie. And when I was, I've told this before, but when I was getting my photo taken for like the very first opening credits, like it was on the stage, you know, like in eight H and David Bowie was, it was Thursday. He was rehearsing with the band. So like I'm getting my picture taken and he's right over there singing rebel, rebel. I mean, I've chilled every time I think about that because that was just like, I mean, I don't even have words for like the surrealness. And like, that's very, that's like you have a soundtrack of that moment for your life. And yeah, David Bowie. It's David Bowie icon. Yeah. So I remember that. Should we tell the black crow story? So one time. So I don't do drugs at all. So then one time the black crows were the musical guests and someone in the underground came up to me and was like, Hey, do you want? That's my drug offer voice. Hey, do you want? Whatever you call it. I'm not a joint, but just like a hit off a joint. I see. And I was, I don't know, I've, I get tried a couple of times. It's never really worked. I've never really dug it. And then I was like, OK, sure. So I took like one puff off of this black crows. Am I going to get sued? The black crows pot. Crows pot. I took a hit off the black crows pot and my my cousin was visiting me, my cousin, Zach, and I came back to the table and I was like, Oh, I guess this is like, I'm really high right now. And I was so embarrassed because like, is my little cousin. And I never, ever, ever get high. And then I came back and I was kind of like, I don't really remember if I told him or not. Oh, he didn't. But he might not even know. I don't even know. But that was my one like, I remember you telling me you couldn't get up from your chair. Oh, I don't remember that. But it's possible. It's possible that you were kind of stuck. I was just like, really, like, anyway, and that's why I don't do drugs. I mean, no, I'm just not into that feeling, I guess. But you're not into that only if it's from the black crows. And then, yes. Chris, Chris Robinson, call me. Call me. I just love that that was the particular strand. I wasn't like I was like partying with the black crows. It was like second handed, made it down to the music guy. And I was told it was from the black crows. But it's so interesting that you took the hit that you used to. I know. I don't know. I was feeling a little jaunty that night. I don't know. I don't know. But drugs is not your thing. Never has my thing. No, no, I like a margarita. Or perhaps you like to sail to the Pino Grigio Islands. Amy and I will occasionally sail to the Pino Grigio. We'll text each other and say, shall we take a trip to the to the Grigios? Yeah. Yeah. And then when you were at SNL, like, I feel like we got it. I was thinking today about all the stuff we got to do together. And we got to do a lot of dumb, so fun, so fun stuff. Oh, my gosh. And but, you know, and I was thinking it was like, I mean, in many ways, I wish we had I wish we had more time together when I was more experienced there because I was new and kind of stressed. And you were the again, the junior to my senior. And I felt like I loosened up more and figured out how to like just have more fun as as I got older. Yeah. Yeah. But we did get to do some fun stuff together. Well, first of all, you were in the original Debbie Downer and that was so fun. I mean, just to be laughing there with you. Well, you bring this up and, you know, I ask this question to people on this podcast. And I truly feel like it is because of Debbie Downer that I asked this question. Again, I owe you a lot of money. And thank you for thank you for building this podcast with me. But Debbie Downer, I've said it many times before, was and is the thing that I go to also maybe now replaced by the clip. The clip. The clip of this podcast. I watched the clip a lot of times and I just want to clarify, I don't go like, watch my work. Like I don't go watch like a movie I did because like I just like to have it in my head. But that it's like I said, it was like seeing your biggest crack up. Yes. And just like I have to laugh every time I watch it. Me too. And Debbie Downer was like that for me during very dark times because it was the combination of us all having fun. You, you're like the way in which you are physically trying to hold it together, like the way like the laugh was like something you were trying to hold in combined with the zoom in and the sound effect. And we've watched it so many times, like Emily Spivey knows every single show. Like this is the part where your lip starts quivering because there's one part with the very beginning I'm going, giggity giggity giggity giggity. And then there's the part where something falls backstage. I look away. My eyes start over there. Like we know every single moment. It is. It's like the Zapruder film like frame by frame. And it proves it just it got me. It's such a serotonin boost. Before we move on talk to us about the like who did you write Debbie Downer with and how did it start? Like the origin of the origin. Oh, OK. People want to know. So, um, well, it really started because I went on a vacation by myself. So I've been suggested to me by a therapist. And I don't believe that detail out. But since I'm on this one on one Amy interview, no, I said it like once or twice, but usually I leave that part out for the masses. But no, not like this. Number one podcast masses. But no, she was she just like she kept saying like take a trip by herself. And I was like, why? Like, I don't want to do that. I could go with friends. I don't want. And I just kind of took it as like doctors orders. Like I just like I'm doing this and I like self propelled myself to the jungles of Costa Rica. No, but I wanted to pick somewhere that it wasn't going to be like honeymooners. And I wanted to pick somewhere that was like me just like, I don't know, somewhere kind of remote, I guess. So it was like very remote. It was in the Osa Peninsula. You had to take like the big plane. Then you take the smaller plane. Then you take the two hour Jeep drive. I mean, I was going deep out of society. And each time they were like it was like Bob Rapati won. Well, no, so I picked this. It was like this eco lodge thing. So I went there and and then it was just like a. It was so there was like these communes. It wasn't like a lot of people there and it was actually really cool. Like I did meet really cool people and I met these two sisters that like they were older, but they're like my age right now. But I mean, they are now and they were sort of like they sort of tell me like the rudimentary fundamentals of what is later known as the secret. Like did you do that to us when I was on this trip? People should know Dratch knew the secret before anyone knew the secret. And I learned it from the jungles of Costa Rica from two white ladies that were from Colorado. But anyway, so so so they like they were just weird, you know, because you're like chatting and I got to say like hats off to the suggestion because I never would have talked to strangers if I was with the front, right? You know, right? So I'm like having this conversation and these women were telling me about like, you know, basically like what's the law of attraction, I guess, but they put it like, you know, if you if you think on positive things, positive. And if you're if you're focusing on lack, you'll attract lack, basically. But then it almost like the whole thing got like sealed because then we were on this like, you know, you could do like nature walks or whatever. And we're on this like walk on the beach, like with the little like it wasn't like a group. It was like whoever's here and wants to do this thing. And this woman was saying like there were these like beautiful birds overhead. These like Scarlet Macaws and this like way up in the sky. And this woman goes, I want a feather to bring home for my daughter. And I swear, like 20 seconds later from like way, way up high. This feather starts to just go like falls down. We all like kind of see it like in it lands like right at her feet. Well, Amy doesn't believe in any of this stuff. OK, no, that's not cool. That's cool. But I don't think it manifested. That was cool, though. So then I was just like sold. I'll join your cult. OK, this isn't anything about Debbie. Now, this is just other stuff on that trip. But anyway, but then the Debbie Donner story is that when later it was like sitting at dinner like you're with Rando's that are there and people just making chit chat and someone said like, where are you from? And I said, New York. And then they said, like, are you there for 9 11? And it was like three years after 9 11. It wasn't like it just happened. It was kind of out of the and then I was kind of like, oh, yeah. And then like it's kind of like just like a Debbie Donner. You had to like get the conversation back because it was like vacation times. Right. And then like about a week later after I got home, I was like out listening to some band, which isn't something I usually do. But I think that's kind of interesting because like doing something you don't usually do and then your brain is kind of like, I don't know, you're not on your usual channels, I guess. But then I just had that idea of this kind of based on that like so like the Debbie Donner popped into my head of like, yes. And then which this is kind of just talking creativity. I found at SNL, you couldn't just go in there and like, OK, let's think of a scene. Like it had to be like moments like that. Like and to me, that only happened like once or twice a year, which is why like you might sit there at home and be like, why isn't there like like SNL, man? But it's like thinking of really original characters that kind of like hit on something. It's not something you can like steer the ship on. And like to me, like it has to like vibe out with you. I don't know. Yes, you have to be like, you have to to your point. You have to like keep the channel open and like find the muse and like find you, which can't be like turned out. Exactly. And how. But then I took it to Paula Pell, who we wrote with often and is hilarious and everyone knows Paula now because I love Paula's like. Out there more in front of the camera. But but anyway, and then we were on writing night, we were trying to write it. We set it in an office and it just kind of wasn't really flowing. We it just wasn't really jiving. And then we were like, maybe we need to put her somewhere really happy. So then we thought of Disney World, of course, happiest place on earth. And then and then while we were writing it, like when we were like, of course, Paula was cracking me up with these one liners and everything. And then we started just going like, we're like just for ourselves. And then we're like, what if we put that in the scene? With actual trombones on. So then for read through, we had, I don't remember if we had like the live person or someone just had done it, but then it read through like it killed. But then you never know, because sometimes something can kill at the table. And then when we were in dress rehearsal, Jamie and Hiroshi were kind of laughing. And I was thinking like, you guys, like, I feel like this could work. Like, yeah, keep it together, guys. And then like on air, I just flubbed one of the lines. And then I don't even know. I guess I was like so nervous. Sure. And then. But you were on you. But thankfully you just like, like the good Pisces fish, like you just like, you went along for the like it was it's so joyous watching it because it is just the calm, it's like what real live TV is supposed to feel like. Like it just felt like a special moment in time. And also, I mean, you are such a good performer that you are able, you are able to like do it and have and enjoy doing it at the same time. It was like just it's very sometimes when people are stressed, it's stressful to watch. Yes, that's how I feel. Yeah. I mean, but you don't seem stressed in that moment. Well, I love watching performers that like this is what like, you know, I feel like I've had so much time now that I'm older, like think of like, what makes a good comedian? Everything like that. And like, I love watching people like you can tell that underneath it, they're also like laughing inside. Like, I mean, better to keep it inside. But I mean, like, like, yeah. And I feel like you have that. Like I was just talking about you. I forget like in what context, but like you are always like, you can see the joy of like there's two levels happening. There's like what you're performing and then this sort of joyful, like under bubbling that's also happening. Like I just like Steve Cruella just popped into my mind as like someone that like you can see the fun. How Farrell is another one. Will Farrell. Oh my gosh. Like the mischievous dance underneath it, we're there having fun circling all the way back to Debbie Downer and all the way back to the question that I asked my guests. This brings up the person that I spoke to earlier before this podcast. So, you know, we always like to talk well behind people's backs. I talked to the great Kevin Cohoon about you. You did? Oh my God. I was wondering who my person was going to be. And because I want him to lead us into Broadway, which we're going to next. OK, OK, yeah. This Virgo has a plan. OK. And I'm taking you there. I'm taking you there. I got notes. OK, I'm aware of the time. I'm aware of the time. I could hang all day. But I'm just kidding. But but I talked to Kevin and he he had a couple of really good questions for you. And one was what what and it's and it's this it's a similar question to what we ask on the podcast is like if like when you're feeling that when Rachel is feeling like that Debbie Downer feeling, what do you do to get yourself up out of it? And that's a question we ask here, which is what do you watch? Listen to how when when you've got Der Blues as we like to call it. How do you get up out of it? What makes you laugh? You know, for me, it is it is a lot of Debbie Downer and clips. I mean, it is a lot of you, Rachel. That's so nice. It is you. Like you really get me out of the dumps. You really do. You're like an elevator that helps me get up out of there. Oh, oh, tears. Tears. But you really get you show me way up and it's because of the laughter. You do that for me. Is there anything else that like you like to go to to just like the bottom of a tequila bottle? The worm. Go to the worm. I eat the worm. The worm. That was such an 80s thing. Like she I know, I know, I know. There's no worms anymore. No, there's no worms. Let's see. I forgot that you asked this and like that's OK. I feel like I don't have like healthy. Serious. I mean, honestly, the real thing that I mean is like meeting like meeting with friends out in New York. Like that's like that's my honest answer. Yes, you like the marks, marks nights and and like meeting with my lady friends. That's like because like I feel like I have this great group various groups of people, but they're all like fun. But then like I love a friend who is really fun and like sees the joy in life and like can laugh through like the foibles and all that. But also has the side that's like, you know, the amateur psychologist, like, you know, that we can help each other out. And if you're like, I like if you show up to a friend and you don't have to be anything other than what you're feeling, because like there's certain friends where you can just do that. You can come in and you be like, you know, I'm not going to bring in my A game. And like that's fine. And I like not having to exert extra energy to pretend I'm like somewhere. I'm not. And I hope that like I'm not for other people to. But that's exactly how I described you, by the way, to Kevin. Exactly that, which is you are a friend, like in good times and bad in sunny weather and stormy weather, and you just can always show up as the version of yourself. That's exactly how I described you. Well, that's what I like in others, too. So yeah, this isn't like a joy thing. This is more like a kind of like mind set thing. No, like a settle. Like I like doing those word puzzles in the air times. Like I like that's my like my like ritual as I do all those because it sort of makes me like forget all that you can't be like emotional when you're trying to think of the word. Well, I would say as a person that has now known you for 30 years has vacation with you, has, you know, our kids are friends. Like we are in a lot of different ways in life together that those kind of like quiet, puzzly moments is a dratch recharge. Yeah, that is a recharge. Yeah, because you are a very interesting combo of introvert, extrovert. Like you are very extroverted and especially on stage. But you're every day like you definitely need quiet time. I guess so. Would you say no? I don't know. I think I used to need less of it. I think now I'm a little more like I just need like the the recharge moment. Yeah. OK. Kevin also had a question, too. That leads us into Broadway. OK. And you were in an incredible show called POTUS. Tell us about that experience, what it was like working with those women and what it was like being nominated. Well, I mean, it was a lot like the mindset of it was so is this comedy with all women and I just got like called up to do this show with Susan Stroman, who I had done a few readings for. And the part was very much like the clown in the show. So I got to do a lot of like physical, just like make up your own bits and all this stuff. And it felt very much like being back in Second City, like in the best way. And also, I love like just I mean, the theater schedules, no joke, as any Broadway person will tell you. But because, you know, you have to kind of like sign your life. Well, like you're not going out on the weekends, all that stuff. But the thing that I love about theaters, it's just you and the audience. Like there's no one saying like, we think this should go this way. Like, of course, there's a director in developing this part. But once you're up and running, it's just like that feeling, that connection of you and the audience. Like and that was like Harkins back to Second City. Oh, how long am I holding this slather? Oh, if I do this little tiny thing, it gets like you don't even I love all that stuff. So it was just very freeing and fun. Yeah. And and you loved the women you did it with. Yeah, yeah. You guys became really good friends. It was a very desperate group that was all like meshed really well. Yeah, it was. Where were you when you got your Tony nom for your Broadway debut? Well, you know, the nominations come out like in the morning and you can just like watch it online. I was just like, OK, I'll check this out, you know. And then like they said my name and then, you know, your phone starts going off. I mean, that was something like, you know, as a comedian, like comedy often doesn't get like award with stuff. But all that to say, like I didn't expect like getting nominated was never anything that I thought would be happening. Because when you're in comedy, you just don't really think like that. Tony's are an exception, I think the Tony's often do give it up for good comedic performance. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think they really are like they really respect the craft. They do the craft. Yes. So Kevin had a question about you being like young Rachel, like what were some theater performers, some musical, some shows that like what I think his question was like, what are the top three pieces of theater that you like really inspired you when you were young? You know, like maybe scratch some little spark. Well, I guess as mentioned, Annie. Can we just for one second talk more about Annie? OK, because Annie, so many female parts, so many parts for girls. Right. Like that alone, like a lot of shows don't have a lot of parts. It's like there is Rachel and I were both in Once Upon a Mattress. Amy had the lead and I had the boring part, but we weren't in the same production. We weren't in the same production. Both of our schools. I was in the sixth grade production. Oh, this is funny, though. And Amy was in the high school. Yes, high school. And Amy, if you know Once Upon a Mattress, Amy played Winifred, the princess, the clown, the clown. Yeah, Carol Burnett originated Broadway. And I played this character, Lady Larkin, who's the boring part. But let me also say this, that because it was in sixth grade, the only comedic hook that Lady Larkin has is that she will she's pregnant. And so they're in a hurry to get married, you know, because they're in the castle. So they need Winifred to get married. Well, in sixth grade, they take out the pregnancy, of course. So I had nothing to play. There's no there there. I'm just a lady in waiting. And I wasn't pregnant. By the way, I don't even think I knew that the original characters, but they changed the lyrics because the real lyrics were in a little in a little while. You and I will be one, two, three, four like kids. And they just like, you and I will be together. That's what they change it to. And you're like, I got nothing to play. I got nothing to play. Ah, so OK, OK, OK, OK, Annie, of course. Orphan, also orphans, orphans like one of the things is with Annie, everyone's like your age, like literally your 10 and their 10. She's like, how do I how do I get in this like that kind of thing? Right. And also a dog. A dog. We love a dog. We love a dog. Did you have the album? Oh, my God. Yeah, I knew every single song. Yeah, I wanted to play every part. I loved it so much. OK, so Annie. OK, so Annie. Then also, well, of course, this is probably the same, too. Like Gil DeRadner, Carol Burnett, Lily Tomlin. Yes. I mean, just those and they were on stage. Like they were they were I only saw them. Obviously, like I saw them like I mean, when I was really little, my parents watched Laughin and I remember Lily Tomlin being Edith Ann in the giant chair. That's the truth. But sorry. Yes. And then Carol Burnett, of course. Yes. And like oftentimes we get asked to her blue in the face about women in comedy. Right. And like, I just think growing up seeing them, you're not thinking like, oh, these are women in comedy. You're just like, this person is really funny and they're being really brash and bold and they're, you know, not afraid to look weird. And here she is with the curtains as a dress and just like, you know, she's like the center of it all. And I'm like, you know, Gilda Radner making all her faces and everything. Like, yeah. So I just think you're just seeing that and you're not delineating. You know, and then like, I mean, the first season of SNL, that cast, like I did watch like, you know, John Blushy, Steve Martin. That's why, like when Steve Martin hosted us and I was like, like I still have that when I'm when I see Steve Martin. I'm like, when I'm hanging out with Steve Martin, that never happened. Not true. I've seen it. But anyway, I think like seeing them was influence, but not knowing it at the time, of course, is fame. Fame, which, of course, we all have played that on the piano out here on my own. You can play the piano. No, but I was like plunking it out, but out here on my own. Cocoa. When I'm down and feeling blue, everyone wants to hear this. I close my eyes so I can be with you. And then what was the third one? And then I would say hair, hair. Hair. I don't think enough people are talking about hair these days. No, the musical. No. Hair. So. Oh, yeah. Like the music and then I think like the movie, the movie, because that was the first like, I mean, I just remember like, excuse me, that have like major like tragedy in it and sadness. And but also like, yes, I remember seeing that the Lexington movie theater and it must have been nice. It was nice. We had plushies. We had gold. We had gold covered popcorn. Each seat had a chandelier. We had golden popcorn and we drank champagne. I don't know what we showed. With a straw. On the side of a barn. Side of the mall. That's where we showed our movies. Dress bed. Oh my God. No, but I remember hair was like. Like emotional and but also just the music. So good. So good. And yeah. Anyway, I think they like, they should do a new production of hair, but there's no parts in it for us. Like that's all new. While young is there's going to be some like old lady who tells the kids. Get on. Get out of my lawn. No, not get out of the park. I'm walking my dog. You should cut your hair. That could be us. Yeah, that could be us. Or like a business woman who comes in and goes, listen people. Yeah. This this bunch of hippies could really make us some money and they go, get out of here, lady. That's what I would put. A New Yorker who comes in to ruin the vibe. Right. But you have played so many games. Right. But you have played so many different things on on on in like you have played like you played a man. You played a you are we love a Marco Polo because we are women of a certain age. We like to Marco Polo each other. You were Marco Poloing me one time wearing having a mustache. A mustache in a production of anything goes or. No, you were pulling guys and dolls, guys and dolls. Yes, I played a dude. Yes. In yet. Yeah. But you've played a lot of different things. I have. On stage. Well, I mean, as have you. But we are but the makers of Mary. We are but clowns for your pleasure. We don't win Oscars, but we shall make you laugh. No, we are here, but to be the fool. We are but fools. Dratch and I always say if we were back in those times, we would definitely be not only gestures, but we'd be the we'd be the maids. We'd be the maids at the bottom of the castle. We'd be the scullery maids at like scrubbing things. I think that's the role that I think I'm born to play is like some because I would love to do. I'm going to put this out there. A Broadway thing like a really great. I'm doing the secret. Like a really, really funny Broadway thing. And maybe I'm playing this person scrubbing. This is my aspiration. For. I just want to scrub on Broadway. Yeah. Yeah. I want to scrub my way to a Tony. You listen. You listen. You big, muckety mucks. I had the Jonas brothers on and we were singing Les Mis. Oh, and they were like, you would be really good. And I was like, I'm going to be in Master of the house. I was like, I know. Oh, my God. 20 years old. I'd be the old lady. I'd just show the house. Oh, by the way, you can cut this, but we will. But, um, but I got to audition. Got to. I made the mistake of auditioning for Les Mis on Broadway for that part. And I'm like, you know, I can't sing, right? And they're like, just go in. And then I like, I even went to like a voice lesson. But like that part is like, you really have to say really, it's an incredible part. An incredible female actors have played it, incredible singers, but it's definitely the most comedic part of the name is. But you have to have a good voice. Which I like just realized when I was in front of these people in the room, just like, I mean, because they, they didn't just give me the Master of the house song. There's another song that's like very complicated. Yeah. And I just like, like I sculpt out. I will stick to making Mary without song. If it please you, I can't be singing for the king again. For me to not sing. Yes. Can't do it. She's like, how do you like your potatoes? We could do a duo. We could do it. We could do it. We could play maids together. By the way, that would be a very funny idea for a show is like, you know, upstairs, downstairs. It's just like called downstairs. And it's just us. Yeah. We're just washing clothes. And we have dirt on our faces for sure. You may have a groove this morning. Okay. And the last thing I just wanted to talk about, because we talked about it a little bit. Yes. Is your wound is because we're going to talk about your podcast, your great podcast, who who, which Amy was a guest on it. Absolutely. One of my favorite episodes. You need to listen to Amy on my podcast. There are some great stories on there. And you have, you are very open to psychic experiences. You are not judgmental in any way. I would say that. Oh, that I'm not just. No. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And you have, I would say you are also a little bit psychic, but or you, and like you have that channel open speaking of channels. What is that woo woo world? So I started this podcast called woo woo. And like, I'm not, I always say like, I'm not really woo woo. Because I don't, like, I don't live my life like, I got to ask my psychic guy. I don't have a second, but anyway, I was still the need to say, I know, but I was still the need to say like, I'm not like super woo, but then I started doing this and it's making me, definitely making me more woo woo with the stories I'm hearing. But the reason I thought of doing this, because I just had sort of collected these stories from friends over the years. And I was like, Oh, these stories are really cool. Would you come on and tell this? So that's kind of how it started. And then you came on, which was really fun. And you're not like a huge woo, believe it or not. You're not like totally shut down. But Amy came on and talked about the Enneagram, which she lives her life by. I mean, for those who care Rachel is an Enneagram nine, if you haven't noticed. Yeah, the ultimate nine. Peacekeeper, peace maker. But, but yeah, so I guess what else do I say about it? Well, I was going to say that there's a couple of things that have happened with us. I feel like a little tiny woo with most of my woo things have happened with you. And we were pregnant at the same time. Our sons are close in age and I'm happy to say like real friends, which is so great. And we, I can remember a very like hot summer where you and I were waddling around the city, like both really pregnant. And you can tell from our height, like we didn't, we carried out front. You know, there's not a lot of, so I just remember us being like going to movies, like watching movies. So hot out and going to a psychic to talk about our kids. And you brought me to this really cool psychic who, you know, like just, you just have introduced me to a lot of just like give this version of life a try. I guess it's the best way to say it. Yes. It's kind of like, why not believe that that thing was a lie? That thing was not a coincidence. I don't know. Yes. I think once you're, it's almost like we're saying about writing sketches. I think once you're kind of open to it, then you start to see things like you just, I don't know. I don't want to say like you get messages or whatever, but I just think the more open you are, the more woo you might become. Do you think that like that has anything happened lately that has felt a little like in the woo world for you? Well, as Amy said with the pregnancy thing that a psychic told me that I was going to have a kid when I was 43 and I wasn't even with anybody. Yeah, that's a cool story. And then that happened. So that was, so that was my first like little like, this is really strange. But you write about it really well in your memoir. Thank you. The Girl Walks Into A Bar. And let's see. I don't know, something lately. I just like to hear your like, like, is there any vibe you're getting right now? Like what's the vibe of this room? The vibe of this room is great. It's good. Okay. And you got any ghosts in this room? Outside this room? Not good. Things are not good once you leave this room. The vibes are not good. It is so true. But this room is a good hang and it's fun and bright and cheery. But I feel like you do that. I mean, like you're really fast at being like, this isn't a good vibe. This isn't a good hang. That's true. This isn't a good. This is really good at reading people fast or experience rooms or people. You're like, I don't like that. I don't get a good feeling from that. Yeah. And I started to like, again, older, I get like, listen to that. Like if you're, if you get that feeling of like, like you're allowed to not hang there or whatever. I don't know. And last question. Are you afraid of zombies? Would you in a zombie movie? How would you? This is my new question. I'm just, I'm thinking about it right now, but maybe I'll ask people moving forward because Dratcher always inspiring me. I might just freeze. Is that what you're about? I think you're about to say. Well, I was going to say it kind of gets into like conflict styles. Oh gosh. Yeah. But it is sometimes I think, I think with conflict, I freeze. Which isn't always the bad choice. You don't like, you're not fanning the plane. I just noticed it about myself though. So if zombies were coming, I guess I'd freeze. You'd turn into a statue. Yes. And you'd hope that they went by you. But we can't end on this note. No, we can't. We're going to cut this. We can't end on this. We know what that's about. Let's sing the song from Chadwicks. Oh, okay. The chant. So Chadwicks was an ice cream place that Dratcher and I worked at. Not at the same time. Not at the same time. But I have to say probably the highest percentage of SNL people from any ice cream place. Probably. Two. Yeah. And it was a purple building. Okay, I'm going to do a lip balm break before we sing. Do you need any? No, I think I'm okay. Okay. So it was a purple building. It was a purple building. Full-time ice cream. You had to wear a Styrofoam Barbershop Quartet hat. We often had a kazoo. We often had a kazoo. And I feel like we were both attracted to the drama and the showmanship. The showmanship. Not drama. The showmanship of Chadwicks. Because when it was someone's birthday, you got a free Sunday. Yeah. And they did not check. So people came in a lot. That's right. With birthday Sundays. But then there was a little chant. Birthday chant that you did. And then one you kick it off. And it went something like this. Ladies and gentlemen, we're happy to have you here at Chadwicks today. But we're especially happy to have Amy. Because she came here to celebrate her birthday. So with the sound of the drum, please join in singing Amy a loud and embarrassing happy birthday. Then they would order a giant ice cream and it was called the belly buster. And it was carried out by two men holding a stretcher thing. With a big bowl in the middle of it. That had. And then this was a separate thing. If you ordered the belly buster, there was an announcement for the belly buster. And it went. And it went something like this. Ladies and gentlemen, we're happy to have you here at Chadwicks today. To introduce you to the belly buster. Ten scoops of ice cream. Five different toppings. Mounds and mounds of whipped cream. Cherries and nuts. Chadwicks own belly buster. And then we'd like to like drum, drum. And then the two guys would come up the thing in the stretcher like pretending to struggle under its weight. And then it would land at the table. And if you ate the rumor had it, the lore was that if you ate the belly buster by yourself, you got it for free. That's right. Remember that? Yep. And there used to be like teen boys. Vomiting. Vomiting. And drinking the ice cream juice. Oh. In an attempt to get it done in time. Yeah. The vomit was separate from the ice cream juice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The teen boys were trying to get it done and I don't think I ever saw it happen. I don't think I did either. Lore. But lore says it happened. And now Chadwicks no longer exists. Nope. It's just in a landfill filled with ghosts. I'm going to interview it for my podcast. The ghost of Chadwicks. But that's a good ending. That is okay. Love you, Drew Chee. Love you. This was fun. So fun. And thanks for doing it, buddy. And thank you again. I really do owe you a lot. Always in my life and on this show. So come back anytime and bring your headphones always. Hold on. We're going to wrap it up. Okay. There. Well, no. We still can't get them on. This isn't a good ending. Okay. It is still hard for you to get them on though. Okay. Here we go. And. I can't get them on. I can't get them on. What the? Oh, here we go. Nailed it. Dratch out. Thank you, Dratch. You are the best. My baby, Drew Chee. My little Ray Ray. Thank you for coming on. And, um, you know, we talked a lot about a lot of things, you know, the idea that, you know, life can be a series of interesting and unexplainable events. And it can be really woo woo. If you let me know. I'm going to be on the show. I'm going to be on the show. I'm going to be on the show. I'm going to be on the show. I'm going to be on the show.��������� that I've never seen a ghost, and I'd like to keep it that way. So I'm fine with that. But if you have seen a ghost, contact WooWoo and not me, okay? But good for you. And it's not a competition, but I am glad I didn't. Okay, thanks for listening. Bye! APPLAUSE You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weisberman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Katz Belain, Kaya McMullen, and Aleah Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weisberman. Original music by Amy Miles. 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