My generation was really the last generation that we had no social media. I remember the Oregon Trail was like the shit. The dial-up sound. AOL chat rooms. Myspace. Chat roulette. It's a dangerous place. I look what? You look first to your arm. Well, I am. I am terrified of AI. The internet was already scary enough. True's like, ASMR. How the fuck do you know what ASMR is? AI. No, I'm not AI. I'm not AI. I can't skip. I'm trying to get out of here. When Keeping Up premiered, did you gain more control over your image? I didn't know what an image was. How do you balance posting for you versus posting for Chloe the brand? Am I supposed to think like this? I'm also never offended if someone unfollows me. How does one even know that? You have podcasts. What do you talk about in that podcast? I don't even know. What the hell's mukbangs? Hi, you guys. Thank you for joining me on Chloe in Wonderland. I'm so happy to have you guys with me here. Today, I want to talk about digital life. And what I find so interesting and what I get asked a lot about is that my generation was really the last generation that I don't want to say we still had real life because that's unfair to say, but we had no social media. we had no real internet dial-up started like I remember when dial-up started I remember when we were given Facebook and MySpace and all of those other platforms which were before Twitter and Instagram and TikTok and all those things no one will ever know life without the internet now which there's pros and cons to everything I think it makes me really sad for my kids just because I knew life before any of that. And I knew what it meant to be bored. I knew what it meant to have to go make friends with your neighbors. I knew what it meant to call someone's landline and have to speak to their parents and entertain their parents and have the proper conversation. Those things no one has to do anymore. So you almost don't know how to do that kind of stuff, even making appointments or reservations, you can do all of that online. So those humanly tools that we learned the older we got, kids don't really have to learn that stuff anymore. It's so strange. I also think that's why people fall in love with creations they've made on AI or robots. Or I read all these crazy stories that I find outlandish. But I understand how people get there because we now live in a society that it's basically touchless. It can be humanless if you need it to be. Yeah. So basically, that's what I want this episode to be about is talking about what I experienced, what I went through and where we are now. When I was growing up, I didn't have the internet. We didn't have specifically social media, but the internet, I remember having a game called the Oregon Trail. And the organ trail on a real computer was like the shit. And playing that game, it was just amazing. And that, I would think, is like my first memory of really the computer, which is crazy. Hearing the dial-up sound, oof, it's a little traumatizing, triggering at this point. AOL chat rooms, a legendary place to be. being able to talk to your friends through there and you just felt so cool. And there was different chat rooms. And for those that don't, I don't know if chat rooms still exist, but I know there used to be chat rooms. Like if you have a fetish, there's a chat room for a fetish. If you are just girls wanting to talk to other girls, like as friends, you can go that way. or like kids 18 and under, like just to talk. And at this point, I don't believe, and maybe this is me being naive. I don't believe it was like really a sketchy place to go. I felt like at least my experience, like chat rooms were more like silly and like, I can't believe I'm talking to Sarah 3721 who lives in Ireland. Like it was just like an experience. Then I remember Facebook came around. I wasn't a big Facebook girl. I was definitely a MySpace girl. My top eight at the time, I mean, the cool thing is it rotated all the time, but definitely the twins, Malik and Khadija. I had a friend named Megan who was in the top. We had a bunch of girlfriends that were in there then. I'm sure my brother, I don't know if my sisters were, which is messed up, but I don't know. But yes, MySpace was fun. I did love a chat room. I still think I love a chat room. And then I remember Twitter came out and Kim was like, you have to get on Twitter. And I'm like, what is Twitter? And I was just, I couldn't really understand it, but we all got on Twitter and this was before Instagram. And then Twitter was the place to be. And I used to have Twitter chats and it was so fun to interact with other people, especially for us. We were newly coming up into filming our show. We were newly doing new projects. I loved using Twitter as almost a focus group for so many of our businesses. And at the time, everyone was so much more positive. I don't think people realize you could use these things for negativity or evil at the time. I don't remember experiencing a lot of negativity when social media first came out. I think people were so happy to communicate with one another. And when we did, I remember we, my sisters and I were writing a book and we were thinking of the title for it. And I remember us tweeting out like three different titles and we let people on Twitter pick the title for the book. We use social media as a focus group and it was nothing scary. We weren't, it wasn't negative. It was when people were really like supportive and rooting for one another. And it was just a different space. Now it's a much scarier space, I will say, that you have to navigate through. I also remember my little sisters, Kendall and Kylie, they wanted social media. My mom said they can get social media as long as Chloe always has your password and she'll be checking. And I remember Kylie said, I don't know if you ever actually checked our social media, but Kendall and I were in such fear that you would. So we were always on our best behavior because I would check the DMs and everything. And I thought that's really cute that they still remember that. And then next came Instagram. You just posted whatever you wanted to post. Captions weren't really a thing. Aesthetic was not a thing. Lighting was not a thing. No one knew what they were doing. It was just fun. It was like, this is my mood board. This is what I'm doing. It could be like a Starbucks cup or like a can of something. It was the strangest content we were posting. if you probably went to the beginning of my instagram page lord only knows what it is it's probably ridiculous but that was the fun no one really thought about it and no one was being judged for it but then instagram took a turn that everything had to look perfect the aesthetic like the your aesthetic page on your profile page has to all be cohesive i don't know when that all happened, but it happened. But I do think it's crazy that the generation under me and beyond will never know life before social media or the internet. And to me, that's crazy. I feel really lucky that I get to experience both. I love that I have the reference point of life before the internet. Our show came out before there was real social media. And I remember then we used to use our show to like debunk rumors or set the record straight, if you will. We had our show and that was our platform and that's how we gave our side of the story or whatnot. Then Twitter came around and then we use Twitter as a similar tool. If we wanted to fight with someone, yell at someone, set the record straight, like I said, use it as a focus group, get people's opinions. We used Twitter and it was an incredible marketing tool. It also was a place that you weren't afraid to say the way you felt. You didn't have to worry about cancel culture and let me overthink every last thing I say. And am I offending this person or that brand or whatever? Now it's definitely not the same. You have to overthink everything and everything has to be PC and wrapped up in a bow and you can't have your thoughts. What was some of that transition like just going from like a handful of people commenting to this access of millions of people being able to just give the your unsolicited opinions. Yeah. You know, when we first started, even though like we all had like this love hate relationship with the paparazzi I think when we were young we loved it and it was fun and different And you also knew where to go to be around paparazzi Like in LA there a street called Robertson Boulevard and Robertson had like the Ivy and Kitson and like certain stores. Like you just knew, let's walk Robertson and we're going to get paparazzi. It was a different beast. Then it turned into paparazzi the overload. And then there were so many more outlets that were like blog outlets that did not, were not a thing a few years prior to this. And then navigating that and navigating that, okay, we have to get used to this as a different beast. There's so many more outlets. How do we figure this out? There's no real safe space, quote unquote, if you will. To then with social media, everyone trying to be a reporter or at least have a voice big or small. And even if someone has no credibility, they'll still use their voice as if they do. I've heard people say certain stories, it's so completely false, but they do it because they realize, oh, the more negative I am, or if I say this, the more salacious I am, that's going to then turn into clickbait. And they don't care if they're credible or not. They just want to tell this story. We've experienced stuff like that. So it is really dangerous because you sometimes don't know who's telling the truth or who isn't. I think that's also why, at least for me and my family, you have to be so careful. Oh my gosh, when Keeping Up first premiered. So Court and I didn't really care about the show. We were both like, we have our stores. I had Dash. Court was next to me and had Smooch. And the show, we were like, you're going to take us out of our stores. We're not filming the show. And I remember my mom told us, use the show as a commercial and look at how many people will then come. And we didn't have any employees. I was like, who's going to watch the store? She was like, we could film around it. You're going to be good. And we did. And when I first shot, like the first season, I did not think we were told we're going to be filler here. We weren't told this was going to, we weren't going to have more episodes. They were like, don't get comfortable. You're not going to have more seasons. You're just filler until we get to this next phase. Yeah. So I never thought anything of it. I was like, hello, I got to get back to my store. Time's ticking. And then of course the show did really, really great. And that's wonderful. But Court and I were freaking out because we wanted to be in our stores. So all of that to say, I did not control my image. I actually did not know I even had an image. I didn't know what an image was. I think if I were to control my image, it would have been probably more polished than what I was, or like, I maybe would have sounded a little more eloquent, but I was not thinking. I was like, this is such a joke. What are we doing? I want to be in my clothing store. So I did not think hard about my image at all. Like what fucking image? Well, I get this asked if I control my own social media. Yes, I do. That's probably why there's no rhyme or reason. My stories on Instagram are crazy. Like I'll be posting, I don't know, it could be something that all makes sense and I'm so close to getting it right. And then I'll be like, oh, that's a funny meme. And I randomly just put it on my stories. My stories have no rhyme or reason, but I do it all. And they're a little, it's like a chicken with its head cut off. It's running all over the place. Do you like it like that? I don't know if I like it like that. It's just like, that's what it is. 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I'm just like, oh, I'm so excited. It's a cloud day. Or I'm so excited. It's a mommy day. I guess I should maybe have more of a schedule or understanding of what I'm doing all day long. I just am happy to be here. So I'm just posting away. I will say that I think with posting, regardless of who you are or what it is, especially nowadays in the world of like, everyone can be an influencer. I think people smell authenticity. And so the second that you're not authentic and you're posting things trying to get likes or clicks or whatever you wanna call them, it falls flat because that's not really you. I truly just post what I'm doing. Most of the time I feel like, gosh, I post such kid heavy content or do people think I'm like a mommy blogger because it's so heavy. But then I'm like, but I am a fucking mom. So why would I try to be anything else? This is my life right now. It's what I'm doing. And you get random spurts of me doing something adult and then that's it. Is AI something you've incorporated into your life? And if so, how are you using it? I am terrified of AI. So because I am of that internet cusp, like the internet was already scary enough for me. I can't handle another thing. So like even chat GPT, I'm like, I'm not talking to you because you're going to remember everything I'm saying. And I heard it can be used against you in court. Like, I'm not dealing with that. So I'm not into all this stuff. But do I think that there's obviously awesome tools? Yes. I just think I'm a little later in the generation where like it's not as cool to me, it's scarier to me. But I think the generation below me and then below that, I'm assuming they're fascinated in all four AI, where to me, it's pretty terrifying. Oh, and that's the thing. With the advancement of AI, I'll see videos of my sisters and I have to send it to them and be like, wait, did you really say this? And when I'm questioning it nine out of 10 times, it's not them, it's AI. And that's so fucking scary. And we will get them taken down. Like we'll send it to the creator and be like, this is not real. You have to remove this. This is crazy. And that creator will take it down, but it's so weird to me. Or I know I'm sure people think it's sweet, but like even the AI videos of like my dad kissing me on my forehead or something I'm like, I don't know. That sort of freaks me out a little bit. I can't explain it. Like, I know people are doing it because they think it's so nice, but I'm like, that's just weird. I don't know why it weirds me out. What about that trend of like yourself now hugging your like younger self? Oh my gosh. The, yes, the trend where it's adult me hugging little me. I think it's cute. I reposted some of those, but my mom was like, I'm sobbing. This is so emotional. And I'm like, you know, it's not real, right? Like I just, that one made me wonder what she thought it was. My grandma is 91 and I can't imagine what she thinks about all this craziness. And she has an Instagram just to like look at all of us and see what we're doing. And I, I can't imagine really what she thinks because gosh, the advancement of everything in her lifetime, it's hard to even compute for me what's happened in my lifetime. let alone her. I think my hope for my kids is that they still will always desire to have that human interaction. I love texting. I think my job is so consuming of talking all day long that at the end of the day, I'm like, I just can't talk to another person. But I realize when I'm not working as much or like on the weekends, I do miss the art of a phone call and like, let me chit chat on the phone with my girlfriends and like get caught up on everything, but people don't do that anymore. And now if someone, they call it cold calling, you can't call someone without announcing you're going to call them. So like when people call me, they'll be like, I'm so sorry, I just cold called you. Do you have a second? I'm like, back in the day, it was only cold calling. Like you just called people and like saw what they were up to. The mystery of life is gone. There's no mystery. And I think mystery, especially when dating someone is so important. Like when you get home for the day, you get to be like, what'd you do today? What'd you eat? Where'd you go? How was your day? Now everyone's documenting, Hey, I'm at Starbucks and I'm going to lunch in three minutes. And then I'm who was swimming. Everything is now documented that no one even has to ask you how your day was because I sort of know how your day was. My wish is that my kids still get that humanization by not feeling like they need to document every single thing. They get to ask people how their day was. They get to keep things private and for themselves. I mean, it's sad to me. And then I just wonder someone that doesn't know life before the internet. Like maybe it's not sad to them. Maybe this is their norm is just everything should be exposed. I don't know. It's very weird. I always get asked, like, do I still have privacy? Yes. I have tons of privacy when it comes to social media because I don't, I'm not someone that even feels comfortable like vlogging my whole day. it's just not what I'm used to so it's not the first thing that I do so so much of it I don't post there are a lot of intimate moments that I'm not posting or projecting out there but the fun cute ones I like to put out there and I'm not thinking about this is going to hundreds of millions of people I'm doing it more like I want my inner circle to see this do you feel awkward recording in public oh my gosh I feel so awkward recording in public I am not someone that could publicly like set up my phone and do like a dance or something like, well, first of all, I'm not dancing. That's not the type of person I am. But I see people set up their phones or they even do like set up shots. Like I saw someone was explaining how they do like a running video and they set it up and then they went back a block away, ran until they were off camera, then went back to their phone. I'm like, but aren't you really running? So to me, I would never alter my day. Like if I'm filming a workout, I'm filming it on a tripod. If it's rough, there you go. I'm not slowing down my workout or repeating things just for the content. I can't wrap my head around that. But then I know some people, this is their sole job and that's what they do. I just don't understand that. Like what a crazy life to me, but I'm sure people can understand my life and they think the same. So we do what we're comfortable with. Do you ever debate having your kids on the show or not posting them on social media and how to explain your job and what do they think you do? My kids, I remember I filmed an episode, something, where I pointed out that my kids, maybe it was on the Jay Shetty show, that they don't know that I'm famous. That's because I'm not sitting at home being like, I'm famous, everyone. I don't talk about being famous. It's not ever something we talk about. My kids, literally since the day True was born, there was a camera in the delivery room. So my kids both seeing cameras around the house, that's nothing out of the ordinary to them. They're not asking a bunch of questions. They know we shoot a TV show. They've never seen it. I don't think they really know what that means. Just like everyone's recording these days with their phones, they don't ask questions. And I'm not offering them all this information. Like we have a show on Hulu, number one reality show that they ever had. Like I'm not giving them a rundown on this. And if they ask, I'll definitely tell them, but they don't ever ask questions. It's just the normal to them. And when we're out with paparazzi, every family member they have has paparazzi. It's the normal to them to experience paparazzi. It's strange, but that's the norm. They're not questioning it. And they don't have social media They don have the internet in any way My kids don have Google They don have anything like that So they don know what even that means Like they don know what a paparazzi is Everyone takes pictures nowadays of something. I don't know what they're thinking, but they've never asked. They ask sometimes, how do people know your name? And I say, because I'm a really nice person and I treat people with respect. That's it. I'm not going to be it because I'm famous. I'm just not. And the truth is people do know my name because I'm a nice person and I treat people with respect. So it's just a different world. I don't know how to explain it really. When they're old enough, they will figure it out. I don't believe kids. My son is three, my daughter's seven and a half. They should not be on social media, in my opinion. They don't need to know about the internet when they think like my daughter would be like, I want to film a TikTok. They don't know what TikTok is because I never talk about TikTok. They think that means a dancing video. And so we'll just film dancing and that's them dancing on my tables and just having fun. But they don't know about like trending sounds unless I show them something. I'm like, oh, there's this innocent, cute chicken banana dance, for example. And I'm like, let's play to this. and like I'll show them I'm like we're gonna dance to this video and that's what I do but they're not on TikTok they're not scrolling through things True's golden birthday is the 12th so April 12th so I told her we can discuss her getting a phone on her 12th birthday that doesn't mean she'll get social media that means she gets a phone I don't think kids should have social media until I mean I would love 16, 17, but a phone we're discussing on her 12th birthday. What are some of my favorite accounts to follow on social media? So I'm someone I like to follow people that I actually know because that's what I'm curious about what they're doing. Not to say that people I don't know I can't be interested in. There's a few like interior design accounts, like things that are visually stimulating to me. Some of the hobbies that I like, I like to follow. And then most of them are people that I'm really friends with because that's how I stay in touch with what they're doing. I see people follow like 3,000 plus people. That's cool. But then I feel like it floods your timeline and you never get to see what your actual friends are doing. So I don't want to just follow random people to follow random people. I'm also never offended if someone unfollows me. I know like your friends, if they're like, so-and-so unfollowed me. I'm like, how does one even know that? Like, I don't know how somebody finds out if you get unfollowed. And I didn't know that meant that you're not friends. Sometimes I just don't want to follow you because your content is fucking trash and I can't handle it. So I'll unfollow you not because I don't love you, just because I don't want to see this weird ass shit. So I didn't know that was like, that meant we're not friends in real life. So if a friend finds my content to be trash, by all means, and I won't think we're not friends. Oh, it's interesting. So what I find crazy is like the ASMR. True, who does not have social media, but Dream, I think Dream is the one that like teaches her things. Because True's like, she'll go like, ASMR. I'm like, how the fuck do you know what ASMR is? And she asked what it stood for. And I was like, I actually don't have a clue what this stands for. But True will say little things like that, that I know it's Dream teaching her, but she'll do little things like the tapping or like she loves the popping sound. So that's cute. We also do what she does watch stuff on YouTube. And there are a lot of ASMR videos. So maybe that, but I just find it so funny. ASMR when you're seven. I like just learned what ASMR was. What the hell's mukbangs? Some people eat a lot of food at one time. I cannot stand the eating live on camera. Ugh. It just freaks me out. But my algorithm is fashion animals, like miniature cute-ass farm animals. I love that algorithm. Quotes, nails, workouts. I don't know if I said that. It's pretty much it. Or like my family stuff. That's really it. And I love my algorithm. It's happy. it's sweet it's safe I feel like we're good there I do love Instagram for all of the organizational ideas that I've discovered I mean oh that I find recipes on Instagram my saved folder on Instagram is really deep and I love it every night starting at 9 30 or 10 I flip my phone over so I can't see it light up and I don't touch it until the morning I have a landline if there's an emergency that My family knows my landline. They know to call me. And it's just a universal note. 9.30 or 10 p.m. I'm not on my phone. And I turn it over. I don't touch it. And if I did, I would be up until four in the morning doing something ridiculous, just scrolling mindlessly. So back in the day, and I'm assuming it's still an active site, but Chat Roulette. I even think we filmed this on Keeping Up Before Us going on it. chat roulette is a website that you go to it's a video website and you basically it's chat roulette so you just luck of the draw you don't know what room you're going into and you I think you push like play and it randomly just stops on someone and then that person you could have a conversation with sometimes they're naked sometimes they're not if you're like gross you're sick you just click and you go to the very next video and it just takes you into different videos with people I just sparked my memory in chat roulette. So I wanted to try chat roulette today and take you guys down that journey. It's a dangerous place. Hi guys. What's your name? Chloe. Are you streaming? No, I'm on chat roulette. Where is it? Why is it a big microphone? Oh, this is how I like to talk on chat roulette it's uh how old are you 41 how old are you you look 41 i do look 41 yeah well i am realistically you look 32 oh that's so nice of you guys are you like in a studio or something i am i'm in my podcast studio do you have podcasts yes what do you talk about in that podcast i don't even know i think i've seen you before maybe you've seen my podcast maybe maybe where are you now we're in morocco oh how amazing i want to go to morocco okay love you babe are you trying to skip in here you couldn't skip no i can't skip i'm trying to get out of here i skipped okay oh no what is he still there you're not streaming oh i'm not i just I just don't know how to leave this room! Hi! It's so weird you have to... They hang up on me. They hung up on me! Switzerland. The Swiss are nice. Hi! Alright. He was in bed. He freaked me out. Hi! How are you? Great. Are you game... studio? I am. I'm in my podcast studio, but I love chat roulette. So I needed to take a break and go on chat. What kind of podcast do you do? I don't even know. I just sit and talk and like say my thoughts. What are you doing? Do you have guests or is it just you? Sometimes I have guests, but mainly it's just me. Cool. I don't know why I feel like, are you a gamer because of your headphones i used to play a few games where do you live check record link you speak such great english thank you so much yeah what do you do on i haven't been on chat in years what do you do here oh no an incoming call yeah i think they added like a new feature how you can call people it's so weird now we gotta call these people back oh you guys are back we are back yeah What's going on? We checked for Instagram if you're live or something. You checked my Instagram? Are you guys new to Chatroulette or? Well, yeah, it's not our first time, but we like discovered it like last week. Oh, wow. You're very new. We're actually from Algeria. We're Algerians. It's like close to Morocco. I used to date a Moroccan person. Who? His name is French. French Montana. Yes. Really? You guys used to date, really?
