A Southwest Oregon Man Shares His Terrifying Close-Range Sasquatch Encounter

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And Granger is your trusted partner, offering the products you need all in one place, from HVAC and plumbing supplies to lighting and more, and all delivered with plenty of time left on the clock. So your team always gets the win. Call 1-800-GRANJURE, visit Granger.com or just up by Granger for the ones who get it done. More questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it, so settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever, so stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, we've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Mark Horban today from down there in Southwest Oregon. As we were just saying, it's always well, it's a privilege to be able to talk to someone from down there. We don't get a lot of individuals from that area on the show, but welcome to the show, Mark, how are you doing today, sir? Good, good, thank you. Absolutely. A little bit of info about yourself that I think the listeners will find interesting is you've actually been in this, I guess you could say, in this field, in the Bigfoot topic since the 80s, correct? Yeah, and I'd say, you know, I've had that term, a Bigfoot researcher, coined to me at one time, and I wouldn't really say that. I'd kind of say more of a Bigfoot enthusiast since back then, and it just kind of fell into this, actually, from, like I said, that first encounter, and then telling people about it, and had people approach me since then, and it's just one thing after another kind of, I worked at a hospital for 37 years, and I've had doctors come up to me, I've had people sitting down at lunch at the hospital before telling me, you know, my story, and a couple of people laugh, and then next thing, you know, I've got a doctor talking to me that went on a hike and had an experience. So it was just kind of been that over the years, and lately it's just been compounding more and more people have approached me, and more and more things have happened, you know. So, and before we get into, that's interesting, because that is a thing that's been on my mind too, because it seems to be discussed a lot in the community. Do you think that it's just because people are getting more comfortable, is sharing, and it's becoming more acceptable, or why do you think that could be? Kind of, you know, and I notice, I don't know if it's me too, I'm approachable, and my wife said that before, you know, I'm kind of, not a, I don't know, a no-nonsense type thing, a lot of people don't want to, I notice that when they talk to me, a lot of people don't want that misnomer of being crazy, you know. So there's a fine line there, I'm finding out where people are telling me things that are, I've had some very rational people tell me some very crazy things, and then the exact opposite too. So I think it's the people that do know that they're very, very rational, or very, like I said, doctors and stuff like that, police, that don't, I don't know if they don't want to be associated with that or not, but the more stuff that's been coming out, I think people are starting to feel a little more comfortable with that, knowing that, you know, no, you're not crazy, this is happening, and we need to try to figure out what it is, and explain some of this stuff, you know. 100%. Yeah, I totally agree with you on that. Mark, let's go ahead and would you be able to take us back to that time back in the 80s when you had that experience and that kind of kicked all this off for you? Yeah, yeah, so back then, you know, it's out of high school, and it was probably not quite this time of year, but just before the dead, before winter, and me and a friend were trying to go up into the snow with his lifted four by four, Toyota four by four, and I used to do this with all the time. We'd go get some beers, go up and, you know, late at night, whatever, and we'd go hit, try to hit the snow, and this time had him and a girl with us, and we had drove, this was actually out of Southern Oregon here, way up on an old skid road, got to the, and we got up into the snow, got to this landing on the skid road where you'd always find these all over down here in Southern Oregon. Anyways, little landing, a turnaround, basically, so I'd say it wasn't more than, you know, 30 foot round, maybe if that, so it got the hill going up this way, and the road, or the hill going down this way, the road coming back this way, so it went up, we turned around, parked it in the snow, and it was probably about six, seven foot from the embankment on this side, which actually it'd be on this side now, going down the road, so we parked there, at the Toyota Park like this, my friend and this girl, they were rolling around in the snow on the other side, on the passenger side of the truck, and I was sitting on the driver's side drinking a beer, you know, and yeah, I would drink a beer, but it was not drunk. And anyways, so I'm sitting there just kicking back, looking straight up the hill, and I would say maybe 50 yards up the hill was the top of the ridge, and the moon wasn't directly behind it, but it was back enough to where that was lit up, so you could see the trees, and just dark, and then you just see the light through the trees, if that makes sense. So I'm sitting there, and it's very, very quiet, very quiet night, no wind, and I'm watching this tree, I just had noticed this movement, and it was going like this, and it was, it looked just like a little Christmas tree, basically, just literally almost, I actually, I really did think it was just a tree moving, and I'd say it was maybe four or five foot tall, and so I sat there, and I'm looking at this thing for quite a while, and it's going just like this, and then it would go, and then it would move, and back then I wasn't afraid of nothing in the woods, I didn't carry, and I called my buddy over, and I said, hey, you know, take a look at that thing, or something up there moving this thing, and he's looks at it, goes, yeah, and I go, I'm going to go find out what it is, so I proceeded to step toward the, the edge of the bank, and there was a ditch there too, kind of, so I had to go through that, but I didn't even get to that, I probably took maybe two steps, and this thing stood up, it stood up, and it walked off to the left, and for an instant there, I was like, who's up here? Yeah, that was my first thought, was who in the heck is up here, and then I'm like, for about a millisecond, and right then, this thing had proceeded to start just breaking branches, and making this bellowing sound, this just warbling, just, and it shook, and at the same time, it was coming down, and branches were being thrown pieces of stuff, and I don't know how long, you know, everybody asked me, well, how long do you stay there? I said, I don't, I don't, I don't remember, I remember enough to know that this thing was barreling down like almost like a bearer does through the trees, which I've seen tons of that before, but I immediately turned my, my buddy, and is the girl, they were already in the truck, in the passenger side, and hunkered down in there, I jumped into the driver's side, and this was a lifted four by four, so I had to climb up in the back then, into eighties, you know, everybody had one that was, you know, 10 foot in the air. Did I have the KC lights on top? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll give back to the future. Oh yes, yes, yeah, but even bigger than that, you know, so I can't even remember what size tires that thing out on it, but, but anyways, I get in that thing, and I slam that door, start that, and I mean, when I was coming in, it felt like this was right on me, and I, it really was, because when I started that, my eyes went like this to the window, and I could see this section, you know, I'm trying to, you can't really see me, but I'm seeing maybe this section of it filled the entire window, you couldn't really see much, it was a darkest gray, maybe, couldn't tell, because it was so dark, the only thing that's lighting it up is my dash, the dash lights from me starting that thing, putting it in gear, and I took off, and the funny part is I vividly remember this part, like I don't know if you, when you're a kid, you're watching horror movies, and you're watching a movie like this, you know, where you don't want to see it, and that that's kind of how I'm looking at a peripheral, and I did not want to do this for some reason, and I just, and I didn't, and I hit that, took off in that car, or in that truck, and I remember I don't, at this of the part, I don't, there's a lot of it, I don't, trying to piece together because it was sheer panic, I mean, yeah, anyways, it, sorry, I went in that ditch, and I don't know if that thing hit the back of the truck, or whatever, but spun me sideways, and I kept that throttle on, came back out, onto the snow road, and I'm kind of lucky we didn't crash because, you know, it was a mountain road, and full of snow, and I'm pegged, you know, I'm John, I'm just pegged to get out of there, so after that didn't, I'm trying to think how many years before I went back in the woods, you know, it was, it was pretty, pretty intense, you know, and then I started thinking since then, I've been in the woods riding motorcycles, and had weird stuff happen, always thought something else, and now I'm, now I've second guessed a lot of the other stuff that's happened to me before that point, you know, and so I kind of started studying that, or, you know, looking up these things on it, and years later I came across the Sierra sounds, and they had almost that exact sound, and other than it didn't shake my chest like the real thing, it literally reverberated in you like these kids with the stereos, you know, just basin it, it's just crazy, but yeah, and like I said, I don't know, don't, you know, everybody asked me, well, what do you think it was doing? It's like, I don't know, it didn't care, you know, what I thought it was doing was trying to kill me, so, you know, it was not a, it was very harrowing, very, yeah, I got a few questions for you, that's, that's such a wild first encounter, so when you saw it stand up, how tall would you estimate that it was? Well, I was estimating maybe four to five foot, and it was double that one, it stood, it stood up, it was double probably, you know, so, you know, nine foot maybe, and I tried to kind of guess that on the Toyota, how high that was up, and where the chest or where the area that I kind of thought that I seen of it, and of course it's in a, there's a ditch there too, so it's, if it came, that it was, I mean, we're talking right here, you know, I could have just, if I had the window down luckily it wasn't, I could have just touched it, and it had to be at least, you know, eight, nine, nine foot probably, I'm guessing, yeah, because it was over, definitely over the top of the, the Toyota truck, which was elevated from this ditch, and it's lifted too, so, other than that part, it was, it was hard to tell, but from the first initial deal, when it stood up and walked over, like I said, I was guessing that might have been about a four to five foot tall looking tree, and I really did think it was a tree at first, so, okay, that's the weird part. Right, and that's, that's something you hear, or at least I hear every once in a while, where it looked like a tree, or it merged into a tree, or there's something, it looked like a stump. When it was breaking branches, were you able to see it actually breaking the branches, or you just started to hear that? Just, just heard it, didn't, didn't see it at all other than, maybe some movement, it was hard because it's pitch black, it were silhouetted from behind, so once it stepped out of that lighted area, I guess, where it was backlit into the foliage, I couldn't see, but I could hear and, you know, kind of, did seed stuff hitting coming down, so apparently it was throwing stuff too, which was landing next to the side, and I don't know how much stuff, I don't know if it was, you know, just one, to me, it was, everything was coming at me, you know, it was, like I said, it was not a, it was not an experience that I could sit there and, and oh yeah, I did this, and it just exactly, oh no, I was, I'm out of here, yeah. 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You know, it was absolutely terrifying. No if and buts about it. Yeah, I still just to the day it just is not. It's still kind of I get worried, yeah, to this day. And which we could get into the next encounter, which was just this last year, wasn't quite as harrowing in this, but it was enough to put me back in that same spot, you know. Absolutely. When you saw it through the window, how close would you estimate that it was to the vehicle? Right there. Oh man, so feet away. Not even feet away. Probably maybe a foot from the if seemed like, you know, maybe a foot from the window, if that, it was right smack there. And I may have actually even turned into it inadvertently just because I'm on the edge of that ditch almost. Well, no, we were about six feet away. So I had to drive. I think I kind of just drove halfway into that thing. And that's when I did also go a little bit sideways. And I think maybe that might have been that's the part where I'm a little bit confused as I can't tell if it hit the back and and made me go into that ditch because I was we were a little ways away from it. But I just remember going into that thing and then luckily it wasn't as deep as over here when I did. And I was able to just it just rode right back out and kept going. The other individuals that were with you, did they notice any other details or parts of the encounter that you missed because you were trying to drive? No, no. They they were down in the the thing and the one friend I did I'd never did meet the girl since then. Don't even remember who can he remember her name because it was associated with him, my friend. And he never wanted to talk about anything ever ever again. Okay. Never did never. And and that whole time he they weren't even upright. They were down just just basically, you know, head down everything in the passenger side. Um, last question about about this. Have you ever gone back to this area as a enthusiast into Bigfoot since that time? No, no, actually I have not. I have heard of other stories from the same area though. And actually most notably one of them was a county commissioner in this area. And he he had I actually spoke with him. I heard from other people. They said, oh, you need to talk to this guy. You need to talk to him because he had this same thing. And over the years I've heard it and I actually finally talked with this guy. And his was pretty harrowing too. He he he won't go in that same area ever again. Now, uh, it's as far as where it's at. It's very, very close to town where I live here. And uh, but yeah, I just have I haven't been up. I don't know. I you know, I would go back up there. Uh, not by myself. There's a lot of places I won't go by. Actually, most of them I'm not going to go by myself. It took me a long time just to even ride my motorcycle around in some of these places, you know. And uh, so I did a lot of that dirt bike riding and and everything. I just that was just in my family. But uh, yeah, this place I just haven't been and I don't know if it's the you know, now I could probably do it now. It's not like I I think I could get over that. But uh, I just just logistic or something just haven't been out in that area. Yeah. It's that whole area of Oregon. You hear a lot of really intense stuff out of there. And you know, so it's even if it's on, I mean, no matter what side, I mean over and applegate that area, I've heard stuff that's crazy down there. And then that's where I'm at. That's where you're at, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Then on the other side though, you've got like you go into Rogue River stuff and there's wild stuff that happens in there. It's weird, weird stuff that happens in there. That that's kind of the area where I was. It's uh, there's grants pass. There's Rogue River. There's a whimer area and it's out past up in that area where this happened. And where I'm at, I'm actually right next to the applegate river out here. And I can ride my my backyard. I can drive straight up over the ridge and hit the Oregon caves where Matthew Johnson had his thing. And and that's funny because somebody asked me, well, do you do any research behind your house? And I'm like, no, I don't want, I almost don't want to. I do because it would be convenient, but I almost don't want to know if there's something right in my backyard. I, you know, it's kind of some of it getting into this. It's, it's, uh, it's interesting, but it's unnerving at the same time. And it's, it's kind of good to step away from something like that. Just, you know, and I, and who knows the more the more I do or something, it's, uh, it seems like I'm stepping back into it a little more, uh, with people approaching me and everything. And, uh, it's, yeah, it, it's still, like I said, that, that, that first thing was, I'm not one of those, I know a lot of people say, well, you know, they're very, they're, oh, they're mellow, they're not going to kill you or every try to tell that to somebody that just had something like what happened to me to them that it's, uh, yeah. Streamy hero, streamy hero. Oh, absolutely. Oh, my goodness. Um, yeah. So then after that, it's, it's out, so you did, you did not go out in the woods for a while, but then there's a point where you start to get more into it. You become an enthusiast and, and you have something even happen, uh, recently as well. You're saying last year. Yeah, yeah, just this, uh, summer, uh, of this, this 2025. So what happened is, uh, uh, uh, well, probably after that first incident, you know, no, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then I started trying to understand, you know, what, what I just, just happened and seen. And so I started, you know, looking into it. And, and then I started believing some of the stories too that I've had to hurt around this area for since I was a kid. That's the funny part too. Is I remember hearing a lot of them and thinking, ah, that's crazy. Well, so I, uh, as a result, started studying that, started to get more interested in it. And then I kind of slowly came out enough to tell people, you know, what happened to me? And then people started approaching me more and more. I had hunters and I had people that I know, you know, and then I, and then I even got into the point of where, you know, people tell me, well, you're crazy. And I'm like, no, this is what happened. So, um, I've tried to kind of condensate or not, but, uh, I, uh, years ago, it's actually he's nine years old now. I got, my daughter came home with a wolf hybrid. And a high percentage wolf hybrid. He's 165 plus now pounds. So I, uh, I'm sitting here at home and I have a friend of mine that's a hunter that was in the big foot. And he came by and said, Hey, uh, this guy Greg Roberts is having a, uh, podcast or on Facebook. He's having a town hall. So what he told me. And, uh, before that, I actually had went to a big foot town hall in cave junction to just kind of see it. The same person got me to go to this, you know, so went to that. And Greg Roberts was there too. I didn't meet him. I probably met him, but I didn't really know him, you know, then. And that was with Scott Violet to from America watch America. But anyways, so, uh, uh, Greg Roberts had this part, this, uh, Facebook, uh, town hall. Sorry. And, uh, so I get on there. And my friend asked me, can you get it on your big screen TV? And I got a big 75 inch TV. So he's, I go, sure, you know, so I screen cast it for my phone. And we're watching it. And he mentions that at the sportsman show, which is in Medford outdoor sportsman show that he's going to do a wolf talk on wolves. So now I'm interested. I'm like, oh, wow. Cool. I'd like to go to that. So I actually commented on there. I said, Hey, if you need a, uh, a wolf to show people the size. I said, I've got one. That's all I did. I commented that. Well, he got back to me and said, Hey, bring him. Well, he thought that I was going to just bring a little husky, you know, so I brought a opa. Which is a guy like a prolly see if I could bring up a picture. He's actually sitting over there laying down behind here. But, um, he, uh, so I brought him there. At the same time, there's, uh, there was these wolves of Yellowstone, which were the wolves that are used in, um, I don't hear him. I look for a picture here so we can get something going. But oh, that's a, I want to hang on. Oh, anyways, well, there's, I've made a meme with him. Let's see if you can see that. So, oh, nice. Okay. So that's kind of, you know, that's what he looks like. But imagine he's, he's big. He's big is a great name. So anyways, I brought him there. They have these wolves. The Yellowstone there. Didn't know it. And anyways, met with Greg. Greg was ecstatic and stuff. Well, uh, that passed. And, uh, later on, he got a hold of me. He, he started communicating with me on big food. You noticed, you know, that I had commented a lot of stuff on big foots and, uh, uh, his page and stuff. And so he approached me with this idea that he said he out in a butephalls area of Oregon, which is not too far from here. He, uh, had, he says that he has a, uh, place where it was very hot spot for big food activity. Kind of knows of a family group is what he says up there. And he says, Hey, I'd like to take your wolf hybrid out there and see just kind of reactions because he said he goes. There's, there's a wolf pack that's known in that area. And that's another thing. He does, I think he does subtracting for odfw for wolves. So he's very knowledgeable in the wolf packs that are in Oregon in the, in the Pacific Northwest. And, uh, anyways, so I'm thinking he goes or first he said, would you like to take the dog up will go up at, you know, 10 at night and stay till four in the morning. And I just want to see how he reacts to if we get any kind of encounters, you know, of either big food or wolves, you know. So I should sure. And I'm thinking at the time I really didn't think any kind of big foot thing. I really thought wolves. Yeah, I'm thinking this would be kind of cool that maybe the wolves will start howling and my dog will start howling and maybe they'll come in and we'll get some of this, you know, it'll just be just be cool. You know, so I really didn't even have I, you know, I'll admit I didn't even have any inkling of the big foot thing at all kind of going up there. And so we had a thermal imager. I, I borrowed one and Greg had a night vision. 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So, and I'm turning this way away from it. So I didn't get a good look at what it was and I just discounted it. So we get up to a first stop, which was right after that and Greg gets out and he's like, did you see that? I see an eye shine. That's where I stopped and I'm like, now I didn't see that, I go, but I did think, thought I saw a shadow on the next corner past where you stopped and he goes, well, that's interesting. He goes, I probably got big foot on the brain and I'm thinking the same thing. He's got big foot on the brain, you know. So we kept going and it was probably another mile or two up to the spot that he had stopped and it was almost the same thing like I described earlier, just the end of the road type of landing, very, very short landing. So we turn around, had my van parked right up, right up next to the bank, headed downhill. His car was parked kind of a little bit behind me and we set up chairs and I put my dog actually brought his bed and set it right in the middle of us down on the ground. And at first it was nothing, you know. My brother took the, took up a down the road. He, I'm looking through the thermal, thermal vision and watching him and he, he's going down the road and he's Pien and looking for spots to page and marking his territory, you know, doing stuff like that. And he comes back and everything's fine and then Chris takes him down the road again and it's kind of funny because I don't even know how my brother, I asked him later, how did you even see he goes, well, I didn't. He goes, I just was letting the dog take me. So anyways, it was pitch black. It was dead silent to pitch black, no win. And we're not hearing nothing, but I'm watching Chris down the road, probably 20 yards, you know, down the road. And I see Oppa kind of start to lift his head up and he starts looking just like a pointer, you know, down the road and now he's just fixated. I don't know, what is he looking at? I'm looking at it, so I start looking down the road and this, that axiom, it, it's kind of hard because it burns your retina out, you know, looking at it. And so I'm trying to do this and then I put it back on and look and, pretty soon I just kept it on and I'm watching him and then he starts just turning like this down to the ridge down below to the side of us. And there's a ridge going up this way, the ridge down this way if I'm looking down the road. And Oppa is doing this, he's going just like this. And then about partway, he whips it and turns and looks up the hill above us. And then he whips back and then he starts back, literally backing up and my brother at the time says he could hear on the, going below us, he could hear what he thought was almost footsteps, crunches every once in a while. So he, Oppa now is backing up, literally backing up on down the road. So my brother kind of, I think he could feel this because I'm watching him through the night vision and he, or the thermal and he starts, he comes back and then Oppa now sits down and actually he's looking down the ridge where we're here in a sound and we're still hearing this sound. And then he stands up and actually Greg's got a good picture of him standing and he took a picture of Oppa and me and we're both just looking down because we could hear something. So I'm scanning with this thermal imager, Greg's looking down there, he can hear it, I can hear it. And I see, it figures too, that I'm scanning like this. You know, I'm looking this way, I start going like this and literally right as I just about get out of the, this point of the tree, I see this thing go like this, just a big white hot signature, come out of the tree and go back as soon, I mean, I didn't even get to whip back before that thing is already back in there. Greg says at the same time he goes, I just seen, he goes, I seen Aishin and seen a figure right behind a tree with, he has night vision. So I'm like, and I tell him I go, that's weird, I go, I just seen that too, so they're right there. So we're focused down there. Well, Oppa's here and he's turned, keeps turning back up the hill and I turn this thing down. I kind of, at that moment was like, well, why is he keep looking up here? You know, I don't hear anything up here. So I take that thermal imager and I walk around to what I think is the front of my van and I look up there and I see, this is the weird part is I see this kind of, I couldn't even describe a morphous blob is what I'd kind of say. And I thought about this afterwards, I don't know if it was a heat signature coming from behind a lot of foliage, but it wasn't like there was these white hot specks didn't look like a normal something going behind foliage. It looked more like a, yeah, and I say this and I hate to say it, but it like almost like the predator type thing, you know what I mean? Just put it in a heat signature type of way. So I've got this grayish shimmer that's not fully white hot. It's more of a grayish different color that's moving, can't really tell what it is. And at first I thought, my van has an antenna and it has a little ball on the top. And I'm thinking I'm looking at the ball. And so I stick my hand and I know my antenna's way back here. So it's not that I'm looking at, there's something on the ridge above us and it's going by it. So then I'm like, okay, I get my phone out because you can't hit record on this stupid axiom. You gotta go on your phone. So you have to light up your phone, which lights up everything. Yeah, it drives me crazy. I, there probably is a way, but I didn't know how to do it. So, and I do have some recordings of the dog that night. But so I tried, I get that record, recording started and of course it's gone. So didn't, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sit back down here with the dog and we're gonna just kind of focus down here and I'll look up there once in a while to try to see what's going on. And, Oppa just started getting more and more anxious and nervous and which was making me nervous. It was almost the exact opposite. I was just telling somebody about this the other day is you know how your dog is in tune with you. You know, if you're angry, your dog gets angry or whatever. This was the exact opposite. My, I was not, we would have been oblivious that there was anything there until other than him. And the more anxious he got, the more anxious I was getting. And pretty soon he's backing up under the chairs with me. So I'm thinking, okay, there's something's really close here and he's just acting strange, you know. And Greg's seen it too and Greg, so Greg kind of says, well, you know, or I told him, I go, Greg, I kind of want to put him in the van because he's acting very, you know, he's got a lot of anxiety going on here. And something's making him nervous as heck here. This is making him nervous, you know. And I got that feeling too that we were being surrounded and didn't like it at all because it was starting to bring me back to the whole thing back then. And about that time, Greg says, well, we can, you know, I've seen enough, we can pack it up kind of. Well, I had opened the van just before that. I started to go to proceed to open the van and the wind had kicked up. Just, and there was no wind this whole night. The wind had kicked up and the instant that wind kicked up, my dog just flipped out. He just want, I mean, almost tried to bust through the door of the van. I opened it up, he dives in and he goes like this on the side of the van that's facing the hill like he's trying to look through the windows and then he dives down underneath the passenger seat and just, his eyes are this big around. My brother turned on his flashlight on his phone and my dog's eyes, he's laying flat as he can get on the floor and pushed in as far as he can into the passenger side. And his eyes are this big around, you know. So I'm like, okay, this is crazy. So I grabbed the flashlight, Greg and them now, Greg's over now with Chris too, with them, and my van were all right there. And so I grabbed my, I had a spotlight flashlight there, grabbed it, went around the back of my van to the side of the hill and I flashed that there. And that's when I realized how dense it was to super, super dense. I didn't realize that it was that dense of wood, you know, because we had got there at night. And at that instant too, the, the bush has just exploded of this thing moving through it going up. Couldn't, it did not get a good look. I couldn't tell you if it was a bear or not, but I could tell you I don't think that it was a bear because there was multiple, these things were surrounding us. And like I said, I don't think a bear is going, it's going to sit there and coordinate efforts, you know, to try to surround us. It was, it was a very, very weird feeling like at that moment too, I realized we were being flanked basically. This one, I had a lot of time to think about it. I was thinking the only thing I think of as this one was kind of, maybe purposely making noise. So this one could come up around and get real close to it. And it, and it was really close because when I shine that light and I shined it, and I wish I, if I would have shined it up a little higher, I probably would have caught it because I had shined it thinking that I'm looking through the woods and, and it was just on the edge of my eye of the shine. And then, you know, seeing as soon as I see it moved, I went like this, but the woods were just being basically exploded now at that time. But yeah, it was another, another scary thing, you know, but we would have been oblivious. I would have been probably oblivious, had not the dog kind of started doing what he was doing at the beginning. Yeah, we talked with Greg after that. And he was kind of the same thing, you know, he had seen, you know, we had focused down there because we had heard just, just crunching steps. But I don't know if we heard those crunching steps. We didn't hear anything until, opera started really focusing. And then we started focusing. And then that's when we started hearing, kind of started hearing some stuff, if that makes sense. Oh, that is wild. Did you say that was in butyfalls? Just kind of out of that area, out of that area. So between there, I would say if you took, you know, I don't want to tell where Greg's site is or anything like that, because I don't know how he, but, you know, if you took, or not, a crater lake, butyfalls, and then took over to like diamond lake, you know, you could, in that area. So, which is, oh my goodness, is such an area. I've never been there, but like the hunters I've talked to about prospect, crazy stuff, and in diamond lake, some really wild stuff. And there's been multiple guys that have said, once you get, what were they saying? Once you get west of 230, just look out, because that's, it gets really crazy west of 230, that highway or that road or whatever. Oh yeah, I've met another gentleman since then, real, real nice guy that has showed me pictures of footsteps and tree breaks, and actual, he actually had figures on a rock that were there, gone, and you could tell that they're, you know, they're very big, and he's like, oh, I'll take you right to that spot if you want to measure it. And I'm like, and I had some, I said, how come you don't get this, you need to eat this, really good stuff, you know, any of you guys, I don't wanna, I don't want any of that kind of limelight, you know, and, which is, So you're saying like petroglyphs, right? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. These were a rock outcropping, kind of a rock mountain, and there's two figures on there that definitely had long arms, just, you look at it and you're going, okay, that's, it looks like two bigfoot, you know, on there. Really? Yeah, oh my goodness, and he's just like, and then, and then I asked him too, he's going to it and I go, and I was basically, he basically handed me his phone too, and I'm kind of quizzed him on it. I said, well, did you get a picture of it without him? And he goes, you know, that's funny, he goes, and he was friends with Scott Biley, he goes, he said, no, no, he did, he told his buddy right after that, and his buddy told him, you need to go back and get a picture of that without them, so he did. This episode is brought to you by Spreaker, the platform responsible for a rapidly spreading condition known as podcast brain symptoms include buying microphones, you don't need explaining our SS feeds to confused relatives, and saying things like, sorry, I can't talk right now, I'm editing audio. If this sounds familiar, you're probably already a podcaster. The good news is Spreaker makes the whole process simple. You record your show, upload it once, and Spreaker distributes it everywhere people listen. Apple podcasts, Spotify, and about a dozen apps your cousins swears are the next big thing. Even better, Spreaker helps you monetize your show with ads, meaning your podcast might someday pay for, well, more microphones. Start your show today. At spreaker.com, Spreaker, because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it. So I'm like, okay, that's good. And literally, I'm looking at the timestamp on his phone and the pictures and I'm like, okay, he didn't, these aren't manipulated, and he's not the type of guy that would, and you could kind of tell to somebody's, I've done a lot of computer work, and if somebody's manipulated timestamps on a phone or something, it's just pretty obvious, but no, he's got a progression of pictures. He's got footprints going around the lake. And I, another thing, the guy that loaned me the thermal imaging since then are actually, I can't remember, you know, it was about the same time. We, he had put a recording out in this other area out of Douglas County, Glendale, and it's toward the coast, it's out in the middle of nowhere, 29 miles from any town. I drove out there with him. We got pictures of tree breaks, footprints, and I actually got an audio. I could let you hear this. This was at 3 a.m. I'm gonna play it through here because, let's see here. Okay, where's my speaker on this thing? Well, so that, that's a stream that's nearby. So we're working on getting a better, and I'll do it again here. Can you hear that? That's really good. That's extremely good audio. Well, and the funny thing is, it was with a crappy recorder. We got a, we have since bought a good one. I'm still going through stuff. This is just one that's on my phone. I have nox grunts, some crazy stuff that I can't figure out. I'm still going through, it's super, super hard. That's a hard part. But on just this, since then we've got a better this wildlife acoustics recorder that we're gonna set out. And the funny part is, I had just went to a memorial for Scott Violet in Cave Junction, and a lady from a, oh shoot, where is that gosh darn it? Now, you know what, I gotta look this up real quick. She's out of Oregon, North, out of north of here. And it's not Lebanon, gosh darn it. What is the name of that? I'm Lowbridge. I think it's Lowbridge? Yeah. Well anyway. How was it Priscilla? Yes, Priscilla. That's it. I'm great friends with Priscilla. Yeah. Okay, well Priscilla has a recording, not quite as good as that, exactly the same. I mean exactly the same, and that's out of Oak Ridge. And so I actually just contacted her because I'd love to run hers through, I actually ran this through AI through chat, GPT and Grock, and said, hey, you know what, this was at 3am, this area, you know what is it? And it says, it doesn't match any known North American animals. So I said, okay, well, run this thing through the gambit of everything in the world and tell me what's the closest match. And it said, Howler monkeys of South America. So that's cool. Yeah, and it actually went into, even more depth and said that the tonal residence, resident of this and that is more indicative to a larger mammal than a Howler monkey. And I thought, well, that's kind of weird. I was amazed that it could do that by listening to a recording. And I was also amazed that it's like, oh, wow. Yeah. So just real quick, it'd be interesting if you put it into audacity and then looked at the spectrogram. That's why you did that. That's exactly what I've been doing to try to find the pieces. And some of it aren't showing up very well at all. Like I actually ran past this because it did not show up until, in audacity, until I just blew it up so much. And I'm like, well, this is really weird. And a lot of those were like that. But yeah, it's, but since then I'm getting a little better. I think it was the recording too because it had that just from the stream. Sure. And so, but this area, this area, every single time at a certain time of year between June, July through, you know, August is just, it's just before hunting season, just before elk season. Every single time this person's been up there and heard stuff. In fact, my own daughter was her boy, her ex-boyfriend now, was friends with this group. And she went up there a few years ago with them. And she's always gives me crap. She's, dad, there's no such thing as bigfoot, you know? Well, she did until that day because she got woken up at 3 a.m. and said she heard two. All the girls actually woke up. The guys were probably passed out drunk, you know? But the girls woke up and they heard these. She said she heard them, two of them howling, you know? And it was more of a, kind of a whoops-type sound because I played a couple things for her. And she said, now that's kind of what it sounded like. And yeah, every single time they've been up there, they've gotten some. So. Is this the Glendale by Wolf Creek? Yes. Yes. Oh my goodness. Like Holy Macro, I would not go out in the woods by myself there. The stories I've gotten outside of Bigfoot, there's some weird stuff going on out there and like you would not mess around in those woods or you might not come out. No, you know that? Yeah, I actually stayed in that Wolf Creek tavern hole. Oh, the haunted. And we didn't know that we stayed in the haunted, most haunted room there because we went up there for New Year's and our friends of ours wanted to go there. And we stayed, I stayed in that room and slept, did, slept like a baby, didn't, didn't know it. I know, I didn't know it at the time that it was supposedly the most haunted room. I didn't know that they were supposed to be haunted up there. But, yeah. But I eat all, yeah. I've got some stories on that type of situation. I actually have a story that hits both of those things from a guy too, that I don't know how much time we go. Oh, no, we still got time for sure. So you're saying like ghosts and Bigfoot? Yeah, kind of a mix of stories. Oh, really? Yeah, one guy told me a story, well, I'll just go ahead and tell it. We can go back to my, to the other things too. And this guy, this is a law of enforcement guy, okay? So, and I don't want to say too much because I don't want to, I definitely know he doesn't, does not want anybody to know exactly who, who and where and what this is. But it was an old house that he had bought. And this house had a little bit of property, very, very close in town, if not, you know, in town type of thing. But the property had been there since, shoot. This house had knob and tube wiring. And there was structure of an old house from like the 1800s or early 1900s, I think, still there, a chimney in the backyard. There was old fruit trees in the, in the backyard that have been there for, you know, hundred years or more. Well, he had been remodeling this house and had just weird stuff happening in this house. And his dog wouldn't go upstairs. That's the first thing. And he had a couple guys doing some work on it, doing like the HVAC work, putting a new unit in and everything. And they stopped about three quarters through it and they said, we're not, you know, we're not doing this. This house is haunted, you know? And he's like, you know, yeah, he kind of, he had come to that conclusion because of stuff that happened to him. He had been working on a counter in a kitchen one time. And he got done with the whole kitchen. And he's standing back and he's looking at it, you know? And then literally he hears right beside him, somebody go, good job, you know? And so he's like, okay, there's, there really is ghosts, you know? And he's a very rational person. So this is not, this is not somebody that just, that tells you some BS. So well, anyways, he's got a hot tub in the backyard. And this happened to him several times, I guess. He was in this hot tub. And he hears this grunting over by the fruit trees. And he's like, what the heck is, and he gets stands up at the hot tub and sees this figure run across, just making a god awful sound and take off up through the irrigation ditch and up into the upper part of the mountain, you know? And there's houses all around in this area. And he said that this happened more than once. And I was telling him, I go, you know, I go, this is really strange, because he's, I go, what you're describing to me, sounds more bigfoot than ghost. I go, but what's happening in your house is ghost, and definitely not bigfoot. So I don't know what is going on with that whole situation. You know, the whole fruit trees there, maybe established for a hundred years, it sounds perfect for a bigfoot that says, okay, I've known this area, or, you know, my whole family, or whatever's known this area, and just known to come back here to get fruit out of the trees. And it sounded like it was near the trees, whatever this was. He said, they've seen this black figure. Lurda, you look like it ran. And then he actually said at one point, it was on all fours. It either dropped to all fours and took off running, and just made some weird, drunken noises. Yeah, he's never heard before. But yeah. And this is some wild, wild stuff. Yeah, just, just strange, you know. And there's tons of other stories from people around this area. But that one just kind of struck me as a very odd, when we were talking about ghost and bigfoot. And that's the first story I've heard of, kind of a merge of both. And, you know, other than, you know, you hear these stories in, in graveyards, which people think they're ghost and they're probably bigfoot. But, yeah, this one, definitely, like I said, don't know, associated with the house. Don't, and the area that it's at, you'd look at it and just go, there's no way. You know, other than there is a, there is a hill there. And if you get to the top of that hill and you follow it down and cut through backs of houses and stuff, you could get out to where it's just open ground. So it's feasible, but it's very, very, very, very, very, it's not rural. I mean, it's almost in town. It used to be rural. It was probably the end of town back in the day. So. I want to make sure that you're able to share the experiences that you were wanting to just because I know we got into the little Q&A. Yeah. Rabbit trail there, but you want to make sure you were able to share. You okay, very good. I do have some more questions for you. Yeah. Yeah. Because you are based out of the area you're at. So there is a, for context. So we brought up Matthew Johnson earlier. And there is that story, the account with him and Adam Davies. Have you heard that in the portal? Have you ever heard that? No, no. And I know. Very interesting. Yeah. You know, that's funny as a, I got a story, another one that's kind of similar to that. But I'll have to, I'll have to ask the guys to talk to talk about it. You know, but it's kind of a weird portal thing where basically is, he was near something where he didn't have cell phone. I'll kind of loosely tell it because I don't want to, to, to, I'll have to ask him, you know, before I could do. But basically he was in a, and he's a very rational guy too. And he had a situation where he was in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone reception whatsoever. And came across something like that. And all of a sudden his phone blew up with phone messages. He all of a sudden had phone reception. And then, you know, of course he gets away from this. And, you know, it's got pictures. And as, of course, doesn't have cell reception until he gets back to his thing. And I thought that was interesting. And I told him, and unfortunately it's been a while since this happened. And I told him, I said, if this ever happens again, you need to somehow get ahold of your cell phone records. And see maybe your phone pinged a tower in Chicago or something, you know, everybody with this portal thing is, you know, it's just speculation. You know, until if you have some kind of solid evidence like that, now that's kind of a, that's a big deal. You know, that could actually put something like that out there, you know. And until then it's so, like I always tell people, because they asked me, well, do you believe in portals and all of that? And I tell him, I go, well, I don't have an interdimensional portal meter that I can look for him. So I'm not going to, I can't go to, you kind of almost, you take it with a grain of water. Not a grain of salt, but you, when you hear stories like from this guy, and it's a very credible person, you're saying, okay, there is something there. But until I have some kind of tangible way of checking that, it's, it's nothing. Whereas this cell phone thing was, you know, I'm thinking about I'm going, hey, there is a tangible way of checking to see if there really was something anomaly. And that would have been, yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, absolutely. That's where I'm kind of more, you know, I'm on the practical side of it. And I, even though the experience is that it had to me, I'm also like a big, probably a big skeptic on a lot of these things. You know, a lot of these people do the AI stuff, or they'll take a circle and say, there he is. And it's like, well, I don't doubt you, but there's nothing there that, you know, and then, and then you got to take the person to this episode is brought to you by speaker, the platform responsible for a rapidly spreading condition known as podcast brain symptoms include buying microphones. You don't need explaining our SS feeds to confused relatives and saying things like, sorry, I can't talk right now. I'm editing audio. If this sounds familiar, you're probably already a podcaster. The good news is, speaker makes the whole process simple. You record your show, upload it once, and speaker distributes it everywhere people listen. Apple podcasts, Spotify, and about it doesn't apps your cousins swears are the next big thing. Even better, speaker helps you monetize your show with ads, meaning your podcast might someday pay for, well, more microphones. Start your show today at speaker.com speaker because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it. And to see how much weight you're going to give that piece of evidence, whereas if this guy that I'm talking about now, if he shows me a shadow in an area, and he says, hey, this wasn't there. I'm going to be like, okay, this guy's got this probably is because he he most likely has another picture that doesn't show it there. Whereas somebody else that's, you know, that's how would you say, you know, just big for everything's big for it. You got red circles around everything. No, I totally get it. Yeah. So that is that's very interesting. You know, because I haven't talked to Adam or or Matthew about that experience, but that's one example of a portal experience where things come out of it. And then there's another story out of saddle blanket mountain near Oak Ridge where big foot reached out of a portal and almost dragged a guy inside of its wild one that was document on a BFRO expedition. So I just curious if you've ever heard anything at that and it sounds like you have it's just, yeah, you want to have the okay to share it. Yeah. And the good thing about where I got this sound and actually I got some pictures of tree breaks too if I could find them. I should have got that with you beforehand and who knows maybe we'll do this again, but the the place where the sounds are coming from. Thankfully, there has been none of the the orbs or any of that weird stuff yet. So I'm I'm more comfortable going out there because you know that just puts you in a whole different realm in a way. And but this other guy that I talked with with the cell phone, he's got an area and it's out in that kind of prospect area where we've talked about before. And he has had that kind of stuff and he actually kind of made me more of a believer in that just because he's super super super rational not no nonsense guy that just you know and he even admits that this is some crazy weird stuff. You know, he says he's seen lights going through he's actually had pictures of it above water and you know look like a ball of ball lightning one of them. And you know, it just tried to me some stuff and but yeah, it's yeah, you know and to me, I try to look at that like kind of scientifically like okay, let's just instead of just discounting it, just counting these people. Let's assume it's real and let's assume what does it take to create a portal or interdimensional portal or whatever it is, you know, it's going to be there's going to be some maybe some electromagnetic radiation something that can be. Something tangible that you can probably look for which I don't know if anybody has I don't know if anybody's even taken that to these to somebody and said hey you know let me take this meter out here and see if we can get any anomalous readings on you know electromagnetic sensor right or something to that type of thing I'm not I'm not that versed on some of that science but you know I read and watched watch TV so but yeah there's got to be oh there. Oh nice there you go wow that's big yeah he's and he's way back there so I can't even reach him but anyways. Yeah he couch potato but yeah so I try to look at those things like that that okay you know before I used to just even even believe in in bigfoot or believe in in the evidence of bigfoot too I believe it because my own encounters but more importantly it's the evidence that's at hand and I used to just discount kind of that stuff of portals and I sometimes I'll still make kind of fun of that you know but I still there's there's too many credible people that kind of talk that talk about that so it's like okay or something here and then the other part of it is is it actually bigfoot or is there a separate thing going on here that is just this big basically bigfoot has an association with this aliens dimensional beings whatever you know maybe they're an experiment of theirs I don't know you know because when you look at the bigfoot solely without that thing you can almost say it's a it's a unknown primate or or people I know a lot of people get angry on that too they'll say they're not a they're not a monkey they're a their person well good good program to watch I don't know if you've seen this is it's called unknown cave of bones on Netflix and now I have never watched that actually watch it and the reason why I say that is there is a species of these apes chim there almost a size of chimpanzee homo naletti and they found them in this cave system in Africa and not only did these these monkeys they found out after a long investigation that these monkeys monkeys buried their dead and which which kind of almost shows that they believed in an afterlife and believed in in a in a God and there was other evidence of that there was evidence of them making fire there's evidence of one of them being buried with a tool which is incredible you know because if something's dead why is it going to give if it's a monkey or just an ape you know you hear that it's not just an ape well these were just an ape just an ape and they were using tools and they were burying their dead with a tool which proves that they believed in an afterlife type of the situation so that's not an ape that's almost a people but it is an ape so it doesn't mean to to say like a big foot was a gigantic apicus or some other ape that's evolved doesn't mean it's still an ape I mean you know it doesn't mean I'm not a person doesn't mean just because you're calling it an ape or whatever that it's not smart or isn't just like a person type of thing absolutely that makes sense so I'll have to check that out that sounds interesting yeah so I because I've had that a lot of times you know I start to talk about that there's some people that kind of get they're like almost offended no they're there a forest people and they're not an ape and it's like well you know I understand that but there this is this is that doesn't just by saying that it's an ape or not an ape or a evolution of an ape doesn't degrade it at all you know it it's here's evidence of actual apes yeah or from way back doing stuff that's incredible so yeah that I watch that I kind of open my eyes on that subject so no absolutely maybe one more more question for you we have a few minutes left have you ever gotten any reports from the diamond lake area or anything on 138 all right yeah okay yes yeah the one in fact the the one guy that I was talking about earlier with all the pictures and stuff is just is in that area pretty much you know lots of stuff there's all their effect. I've got a I put myself out there after my second deal this summer. I put myself out on Facebook that hey, you know, I know a lot of people don't want to be considered crazy. You know, and they got these stories and you want to tell them, but you don't want to be on the line light. I said, tell them to me, I don't care if people think I'm crazy. I already do anyway, so. But I've just like telling me I'll tell you, you know, I'll try to get out there, tell you stories. And I got a guy out of a shady cove area that's told me in the prospect. Lots of him and there's a lady that is out of there that had a face to face when she was up mushroom picking. And then I've had this guy where he had a sighting in his Jeep crossing the road and then had it smear the Jeep mirrors with mud, muddy handprints. Yeah, really strange. And then I've had another firefighter actually where the helicopters had dropped their food. They would drop it twice a day and something was stealing their food. And one of the girls that was related to him that was on the the fire line. They had to walk this fire line. One of them did every like twice a day once in the morning or once at night. And they were in the evening. And she had a face to face. This thing she was walking up the trail. And it was like a stump. And it had stood up right in front of her. And she just looked right at it. And I still haven't I got to go I want to go interview all these people and get as much detail as I can because it's just just interesting. And there's just so many more, so many more. Wow. I'm glad there's someone like yourself where people feel comfortable enough in that area to be able to talk to you. That's awesome. Yeah, that's what I hope. You know, it's just just let me know. And I'll try to get it out there. So I just wish my biggest thing is is I tried to like you, you're you're asking a lot of detail. Try to get a lot of detail. And I don't want to mess something up of somebody's story. 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And so it's the that's the hard part to, and like I said, they don't want to say something wrong as far as a story, but but there's a lot of them. You know, there were stories when I was a kid, there's one area out here. They used to call the courts Creek area. Actually, we're ride motorcycles all the time. These to call it the whistler, the courts Creek whistler. And I remember that one. I was a kid. I always thought it was crazy. Now I don't. So it's so it's so awesome out there. It's like you can, you can find activity pretty much as long as you're near the cascades. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's weird. And then even west, you know, yeah, it's weird. There's these, these certain clusters I'm noticing of spots. And some of them are, you know, random people say, oh, yeah, I've hear it, but there's only, like I said, this one spot that I know of I almost can just put a hundred bucks on it and say, go out at this time, you're going to get something. And that's where I've been focusing on trying to get a lot of this audio. And we're going to try to blanket some of the hill sides and in that area. And try to get some really good audio because I hear little bits and pieces of people. And like you, you're just saying, like, that's really good. And it's like to me, I'm like, wow, that, you know, it's not that great audio because I'm hearing all the the the Creek and, you know, and from what I from what I've heard, you know, enlisted people up there, it's like, this is I should be able to get some really, really good stuff. So we'll see. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Mark, thank you so much for hanging out with me for a bit today and for sharing what you've experienced and what you've heard. And definitely keep us in the loop with what what happens next down there. It sounds like you've got some really cool plans of a big guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's game side bad. So, hey, oh, wow. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on today. Mark, you also are okay if individuals want to reach out to you directly, right? That's fine. That's fine. I'm all perfectly fine with that. And I think aren't you are you going to be an Oregon in this summer? Yeah, I will. So before I don't want to miss it. So if you want to contact Mark directly, sometimes people like to talk to people from the area about their stuff, or bnm at gmail.com. Yeah, I will be in Oak Ridge for in July. I'll be speaking at Priscilla's festival. So that's what summer fest. So I will be in there. I'm going to try to get up there and try to bring him to. So I might just drive up over the lower home and make a weekend out of it. So we'll see. And if I do, I'll see you there. So awesome. Yeah. It'd be great to me. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's one of those where you can, you know, camp out and stuff like that. So that's that's pretty cool. But yeah, we'll be in touch, Mark. And thank you so much. Okay. Yeah. Feel free. Contact me anytime. So. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what? This year, you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous years. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably, I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because let's just say sometimes it's, well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oak Ridge woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series, Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year, you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the Wild Forest outside of Oak Ridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this. And yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just, it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket head on over to SasquatchSummerFest.com and listeners can use the code BSP, like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can, can get a little, a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oak Ridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. I was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before it is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it. 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