Episode 493 | Checking In With Reason

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. No, warrior's mom. No. Conductible. No, warrior's mom. No, no, warrior's mom. No, warrior's mom. No, warrior's mom. All right, take two. Welcome back. We don't know what day of the week it is. We have no idea what the date is, what the time is, but we are back. We are here with a, I would say, family of the show. Not friend of the show anymore. I appreciate that. He might as well be a co-host at this point. There's one of the few West Coast dudes left that still fuck with me. Because you guys maybe have the same enemies now. Yeah, yeah. We actually allies that. We actually really allies that. The enemy of my enemy is my... I know you good on the East right now. You know you good over here. We don't worry about nothing over here. Today we are joined by family of the show. Welcome back. The reason is in the house today. I appreciate it. Pressure off the project. Moving towards love. Moving towards love. I don't know if I believe him, but you know. We're not talking about... Towards. Towards. Not, you know, there. Towards. It's all about progression. It's all about progression. It's all about progression. Moving towards love. Towards love. So how did you realize that you're moving towards love? Is there a change you decided like I need to make changes in my life? Or is this something that you were just like, it just sounds good? No, I think, I mean, it's a whole... So we're doing a color series. So I had everything in my soul blue and then this is moving towards love. So everything in my soul is moving towards love. I have two more colors. Okay. But I do think it when you get older, you kind of stop being on the same shit all the way that you... I would hope so. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, so, you know, you get older, you grow, you mature, you know, kind of get different interests and whatnot. And so we're making this project. I feel super attached to this project, which I know sounds weird because I made it, but a lot of my projects I've dropped, I'm not necessarily emotionally attached to them still when they drop. But this is kind of like a representation, this whole project of like the last like six, seven years of what I've kind of been through relationship wise, some of the homies, stuff like that. You don't really, like, admit to something like that. Like you're not emotionally attached. Yeah. Because, yeah, because it's like I was dropping so much music that was coming way after when I actually made it. So it's like by the time it drops, I'm not emotionally connected to it no more. And then everything of my soul, I was rapping about stories, but they wasn't necessarily related to me. So this is like the first project I've made where I dropped it in real time of where I'm like, you know what I mean? Like mentally and shit at and it's like actually a lot of stories about me. You get what I'm saying? So yeah. Has that been the main difference with the last three projects you dropped off TDE? That you're able to just drop them in real time? Yeah. Just being able to like have fun. Like even when we did the, you know, the Joey situation, like being able to just go in, pour some shit and then it's out the very next day. Like just being able to like have shit out when you still in the moment of it and you still excited about it. Because when you're creative, it's like a lot of times by the time something gets to the finish line, you already onto the next thing. You get what I'm saying? Like this should drop to, I didn't even know all the words. Like when I'm shooting content back home, I'm fucking up on the words. That's never been a thing. You get what I'm saying? Like, which is, which is dope. And now the time has passed and the dust has settled. Can you humbly admit since you are moving towards love that Joey badass in fact did clean up the entire coast? I don't think the entire close. Cause I think he won against Ray and day. Okay. Yeah. I think that was the real battle. And that's not to say that Ray didn't do well. I thought Ray did well. I don't think it's as big as y'all. Like the big of the gap is y'all think it is. I don't think it's that. We supposed to dig that. Yeah. But I think, I think he, I can admit he won that. When the general consensus is something you have to admit the general consensus, right, Maul, you got to just admit. Fuck no. Okay. Cool. We'll get to that. But yeah, when the general consensus is something you have to like, regardless of how you personally feel, you can say you got to, you got to be okay with it. And I think theirs is most of the battle. I just stepped in because I got through a stray. You get them. I thought you had every right to step into it. Yeah. For sure. Absolutely. It was definitely a stray. Um, I appreciate them all said you don't have to be objective. You could just go and say whatever you want. Definitely for disowning. I'm with that though. I'm with all the, I'm, I'm, I'm with being biased in any type of way. Just as long as we know that we're biased, I'm, I'm a thousand percent would be in bias. Me too. Cause I'm biased as fuck when it comes to certain shit. Okay. Um, yeah. All right. I think we need an alibi for both of you guys. Where have you been the last two days? Can I see your IP addresses? It's convenient that you guys link up and then all of a sudden not like us is taken down. GNX is taken down. Real quick. I just want to, I just. There's three uploads. But I, I am not on Drake's side. I want to clear that because that's how it's going to be perceived. Like I am here promoting my project. You know, we, of course. I'm not trying to make it seem like. I'm just saying that, you know, the allies and the enemy might not have any. No, I'm just saying it's a little, it's a little convenience. I don't have any. I don't have any. I don't have any. That's my God. Oh yeah. So any time reason is in New York, I would hope that he's able to stop by. And songs come down. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's long. The last two years, yeah, just happens to come down and a whole entire. What do you think about that was performed at the Super Bowl? Um, I don't know. It was weird because it came right back up. So it's like, I either think that they're moving stuff around, getting ready for something. Or I think. What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know how to get ready for something. What is the, what is the moving around? Like, I don't know. Maybe it's a new deal. Maybe it's like, you like this and something. Yeah. Maybe maybe they signed a new deal and it's like, you know, part of that deal is the catalog belonging over here. And now you have to move the cat. Like, I don't know. You get them saying like, I'm speculating. Like, I don't know. Maybe, you know, you sign a new deal and they're like, timing of it is very timing of it is is. Yeah. It's very, you know, yeah, coincidental. I'll say every theory. I don't. This is one of those things that I've gotten calls. I go, what do you think happened? I have no, I have no fucking idea. Because one hacking that is kind of insane to me. I know that's obviously possible. But yeah, yeah, I can't even get into my own music, let alone someone getting into my own music. I can't even get into Kendrick Lamar's catalog or YouTube page. So I don't, the hacking thing doesn't make sense. But even if you move your catalog over somewhere else, they re uploaded it, then took it back down and put the original with all the original views up there. Yeah. But I'm just like, if someone else owns it now and they want to get the royalties, I wouldn't get that either. Or it could just transfer over because they could collect that. I think it's above my pay grade. I don't, you know what I mean? Like I've never had, you know what I mean? Certain business situations that I'm sure it has. I don't know. I'm sure this is happening before we probably just didn't pay attention to it because of the artist and. Exactly. In the situations you get what I'm saying. Yeah. But I'm still on the timing of it. Yeah. It's just very maybe maybe he's maybe he's coming with new music. So maybe he announced it some on Friday. Like maybe, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, does this get you not that Kendrick needs it because he stays in the charts, but does this get your stuff to rechart again? Because now everyone's going back to see if GNX is there and then they listen to GNX. They click now like us to see if it's back there. Is that a strategy? But even then, I just don't think they need to do that. Yeah. I don't think that. I just mean, maybe he's gearing up for music. If he is, that'd be fire. We get Drake and Dot in the same summer. I would love that. I just hope that whatever music both of them puts out, I just hope that it's not related to the beef. Like I just want both of them to just go forward and drop really, really fire music. I want Drake to do what he's always done in the summer and I want Dot to continue to run that he's been on. So. Do you think there's any connection with the who is the giant posters that are everywhere now? I didn't feel like it was until. It's been a lot of reaching. Yeah. But it's like the reaching don't feel like it's too out of play. You know what I mean? So like. They need a QR code. I think they didn't. Yeah. It's essentially to a website. It's essentially to a website. It's just like a little Oozzy or something like that. That would be fire. I would love it. I would love a little. A little short rapper. But that don't seem like Oozzy aesthetic. Yeah. Yeah. That picture. It's like some shit. It's not it's not enough color. You said that looks like. That's not enough. I can't see from here. That looks like. That's that's. No, it's his first album cover. It looks like it's not enough hips and color in that to be Oozzy. Yeah. Yeah. But that I mean that's just odd that they would essentially go right to Kendrick when there's a few posters around. Which I get it though. Yeah. Yeah. It's a time of it. Have you guys been paying attention to the other nonsense on the timeline today? What is what is the nonsense? Shout out to what's the dirt. I really do enjoy his content. I think he's a great researcher. I love what's the dirt. I love his YouTube page. He makes really, really well researched content. But sometimes I think we get way too much into like our Scooby Doo notebook and just start making things up to connect because we want them to connect. That's the world though. No, but this one's getting like a little too far. Okay. So do you remember the rapper Calico that was signed to Gillo? Yes. Yeah. Calico was nice. He was on a I think a dip set mixtape at one point. He had a few like Calico correct for sure. So in the plot twist IG page, there's a photo of Calico and like a made up cover kind of with the same Iceman font of saying teasers or whatever. So what's the dirt starts doing research? He sees that he was signed to Memphis Bleak. He's in the fade to black movie. Remember the moment that he's sitting there with Guru and Jay and they're like, it'll be the fuck you. And he's like, I'm still trying to find myself. So Calico is in the studio with Jay-Z. There's also a video of Memphis Bleak holding a Lacy Drive that all artists have held in their life before. Everybody has the same hard drive. So what's the dirt finds an image on plot twist where Drake posted a Lacy Drive and then he zooms in on Memphis Bleak also holding them. And because Calico was also in the fade to black movie, we can now all conclude that Calico is Jay-Z's ghost writer. I want 14 minutes of my life back. And then it was next to the Calgary hockey logo. And if you do the research, there's maybe somebody else made that logo and someone else took the credit. So that was the goal. And credit. I watched all 14 minutes. It was interesting, but it's just like, we're just trying to connect shit to connection. They wait till the last second to like reveal their final hit. And you like, I could have just not. I could have just not watched it. Yeah, I just could have not watched it. I'm with you. Drake has definitely taken subliminal shots at Jay that we've talked about for years off 30 for 30, a lot of stuff. But I feel like we're reaching a bit when your main focus is Memphis Bleak holding a hard drive. Let me. Let me. Because you know Calico. Listen, I love content creators that, you know, just try to find a niche and they niche and they lane and all of that. Let me assure you all one thing. Jay-Z does not have a ghost writer. Like I can just assure the world. Jay-Z does not have a ghost writer. He does not have a ghost writer. No, man. He made reasonable doubt and then he needed, you know, he needed someone else to write more. But Calico, that's where we landed up. I mean, no disrespect to Calico, but. Well, people try to put the Stowe Young Chris's flow on Jay before. Like people have tried to put little things there. And then see, you don't even do in the science. Drake said he was going to bring Calico to the Alamo and there's a movie theater in Brooklyn called Alamo that showed fade to black one day. Oh, okay. So that's what they trying to tie it. So, okay. I got. Yeah. Now we just don't need that. Like I don't. I don't, I don't, I don't be tolerating no Jay-Z slander, man. That's, that's my, that's my goal. I just don't, and I get it, man. I, you know, I think that people are, you know, you have some of the greats people always try to find a chink in that arm. Yeah. Like cause it has to be when nobody's perfect, right? So you need to find whatever you can and like, ah, you know, but. And like you said, I just think we in the content space, like I just literally went like semi viral cause I might took something I said on Bule Kev and just put a whole different caption over it. And if I never saw the tweet, I would have never even. What was it? Like it said, reason says Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick Lamar's poor curation of GNX is the reason for the West Coast sound. And so, I didn't say nothing like that. So it was like, that's just what content, I literally didn't say anything like that. Like literally in the video, I didn't say anything like that. Like, but that's just where content. Wait, so what did they pull to make you say that? It was a clip. So what they do is they take longer clips that way. They know if somebody clicks on the video, they see three minutes. They're like, I'm not watching that. And I'm just going to take whatever they said. And then they put a different caption. But basically me and Kev was having a conversation about how the West Coast sound is not popular nationwide. You get them saying like it's not popular nationwide. And I said, I love GNX is one of my favorite albums. It's probably two or three for me, which is how his discography and Kev asked me why he didn't feel like usually when the album is that successful, the sound travels and then other people like that sound. You get them saying, and that's been a thing in history. And I told them, I said, the artists that were on it didn't necessarily like, it can't just be that like other artists would have had to follow up after that with the same sound and yeah, it make moments and be successful. And I just said some of the artists that that were on it didn't, they're not as consistent in their business and dropping music and stuff like that. So the sound couldn't travel because they're not following up afterwards. And you know, making moments, you have your artists like AZ Chai, Chai, Chai, Wally, Yosensei. There's artists on there that are really dope in there. They're like, I like him a lot. He's probably my favorite. Yeah. Probably my favorite feature on Chai. Chai is fire. Chai is fire. So I'm looking forward to him and Wally. And this is no, even though they might take it away, there's no distance. I mean, I think that's the other artists. I just think that when you have a moment like that, you got to start getting your ducks in a row. Yeah. And I don't think everybody got their ducks in a row and started to. So that is what I was saying in the video. And then it came out. Reasons. Poor curation of GNX is the reason. That's what I said. Yeah. It's an interesting point of that sound traveling. And I feel like the Bay Area LA sound that kind of like mashed together in this, this era is so specific to y'all that if somebody else did it, it would look too much like Biden. Like if you got a bunch of records that sounded like not like us after it, be like, what do you guys? Well, it don't, it don't have to sound just like not like us, but you got to think about when muster was going crazy. It was niggas from all over the planet on muster beats. Like I'm different is two chains. Yeah. That's a West Coast. So there's it's it's possible for West Coast music to travel. You just have to have multiple moments. Like it can't just be one moment of a popular sound having a moment and then it goes away. It got to be dot go and then this thing ago and then it's like a relay. Yeah. Exactly. That's literally what it's like. You go, you go, you go, you go. And if all the music is good, well then now you'll have niggas from the South being like, yo, who made that? Oh, uh, low to great made that. I want to go fuck with low to great or J.R. I made that. I want to go. You get them saying like you'll have that. But because it was just that and then not much after that, not much after that, it didn't travel. So if you look at it like if Boogie was on that, then Boogie drops after that. We know, we know how fire Boogie is. So we know that that's going to be, you know, what it is and other things. So that's not not good. That's job is to make a good album. I love that album. So I think he did his job. I was just more saying that it has to be more moments behind it for, for the sound to really go. Yeah. But the rest of the guys from the cold, that's it. Kind of adapt that sound, make it their own, put their own, you know, identity to that and then go have their moment. I'm saying, and then grow their fan base outside of LA. And then next thing you know, the sound is what it was because when Mustard was going crazy, it was everywhere. Yeah. Everybody had Mustard. Yeah. But Mustard is like his sound had a more pop feel. It had the Bay bounce to it and the LA synths to it, but it was pop music. I ain't letting you take that. G and X. Mustard is a West Coast nigga. No. Whoa. Oh, no. Definitely West Coast. No, what the hell? The sound was popped. It was a more fuller West Coast sound. I'm really nerdy was very stripped down, minimalistic West Coast shit. It wasn't as digestible as all like, because it's turn your TV off. It's the most digestible song and it's the Mustard one where the rest of the stuff is is very, very minimal West Coast shit that I just don't. I think if you're not from the West Coast, you look corny getting on that type of shit. I don't necessarily, but like Squabble Up is like, like West Coast for show, like all the way, all the way through. Squabble Up is a peek. No, not like all of them are. I'm just saying they're very stripped down and minimal West Coast beats, whereas Mustard was giving you rap pop records. It just happened to have a West Coast. I actually feel like it was the, like, I feel like Mustard's like beats were very bare. Like they didn't have a lot of a ton of music. Callie to it, but that's part of also like West Coast. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? I feel like that be having like jazz niggas in the studio and shit. So that can sometimes pull from some of the West Coast sound a little bit, not saying a lot, but like a little bit. But yeah, I just, I just really think it's just about like having more moments outside of that. I think more niggas have to follow up and like hit records and not saying it had to be a hit, but like get good records, good projects, good moments. You get what I'm saying? Like Kendrick did what he was supposed to do and he created a moment. He created a moment, created a good body of work. And then he handed the baton to a lot of niggas that nobody heard of. You get what I'm saying? And that's, you can't really ask no more of that. You get what I'm saying? So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've been clipping up Kev stuff and I don't want to make this like a, the complex media list shit, but you've done a lot of press with a lot of people that were on that list. And I always feel like bootleg Kev should be higher. I agree. I agree. Is it more annoying to go to outlets that are less like bootleg Kev? Because you know, you're going to actually have good music conversations with Kev. Have you found it to be odd where you kind of have to, as an artist, chase some of the press that's going to be a little messy and a little like, to be honest with you, you've had moments before where people called it. I don't do messy press no more. I have my moment. I don't want no more niggas. Any nigga that's C O E. I'm, I'm cool. You get what I'm saying? Like I don't want no more moments. I would say like 80 and then are messy, but shout to AD. Love it. Love it. But it can, it can bring some West Coast mess when you go over there. I saw a video literally this morning where T-Rail was on there talking to his wife and he calling her bitch and she talking about fucking Lil Wayne and that's crazy to me. I don't care because I don't have a relationship with them. So I'll say whatever I want. But like there's a clip where like he, like she talking about how she could have fucked Lil Wayne and could have had rap niggas and she chose T-Rail and T-Rail like bitch, get your shit off. I'm like, you niggas are insane. You niggas are insane. That was a real conversation. That's a real conversation. He was, he was also hitting on Kaylin Nicole in front of his wife. That is a real conversation. I don't want to sit down with no niggas that are talking about their wife like that. Sue me. No, I think that was. He mad at me. I don't give a fuck. I don't know. That had to be they had to know that. I might got the clip. You don't know their love language. You don't can't judge people in that regard. You know, sit down with your wife and your wife telling you I could have fucked Lil Wayne, maybe they will play that way. I'm not the same. No, we not. That ain't role playing. I don't give a fuck what script you think you talking about. Man, you can't tell me no shit like that with cameras rolling with cameras. But it's like that's that's the culture. Like the culture is like, you know what I mean? And they're going to be mad at me, but I don't give a fuck. But like, that's what the culture is. Like they just like it's whatever. I'm about to text you the clip. Right. OK. But yeah, it's like that's crazy to me, bro. And I'm just like, I don't want to sit down with niggas like that. Like when everything's on the table, when anything's on the table, you want me to talk when we can say anything? Man, we can we can catch up later. Yeah. Because if you can sit down with your wife and talk like that, I'm just nothing you can't talk. I'm cool. Like I fuck with 80. That's my nigga. I fuck with pun too. Pun is my dog. But yeah, bro, it's just it's a lot. And he was like, I'm in Texas. I'm like, OK, I'm going to meet you here. But I had already had plans that I was meeting a little Wayne. So I had to like. Yeah, sorry. I'm drunk. Wow. Yeah, you are. So you was going to this bitch ain't drunk. You know what I'm saying? Do you think? Shut up. What? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Back up, back up, bitch. 100 percent. Hold on. Back up, back up, back up. I took little Wayne, bitch. I had ho. Oh, God. I was just a drunk bitch. I had ho. No, the number one nigga, but Terrell had the personality he had. He made me. He actually talked to me. I was talking to the number one nigga of this shit. I'm telling you, I fuck with her. I stay down. Let me tell you this. I could have had my way with any fucking rapper. I'm one. I could have had my way with anybody. But I told Terrell at the end of the day, I told Terrell, I chose my heart. And this nigga made me laugh. So basically I was trash. You're trashing your bitch. No. I won't say it. Say it. I said yes. I love you. I'm not gonna think I'm gonna tell you this. I was supposed to go upstairs and fuck with Wayne, but I didn't. No. No. Marry your best friend. That's what they said. I ain't gonna lie. That's how best friends talk to each other. No, no. You just don't need to talk like that. I've met both of them. They're both, they're a lovely couple. My best friend is never talking to me like that. That's how the merits talk to me. I could have went upstairs and fucked little Wayne. She dragged it a little bit on that. She should have just left it at the beginning. I think she, I think she felt a way about him calling her a bitch. And so she like, you know what I mean? She kind of turned it up. And yeah. But my point is that I'm your household. No, no, we're not skipping over that. Your household is never the same after that conversation. Is C.O.E. I'm sure they've had that conversation before. She didn't just have that conversation. You see how he was like, no, let her get her shit off. I'm sure they've had that conversation before. No, they definitely, I'm talking about on camera. On camera. I don't think they care. Oh, well, maybe, all right. Maybe I'm getting more mature because I don't think it's that crazy to say an attractive woman could go fuck little Wayne. No, no, you're about to do the thing. You're about to do the thing. You're about to do the thing. Of course an attractive woman could fuck little Wayne. You guys are, you have that. Your wifey. No, she wilded out for sure. But I don't think they care. It's wild to us. But I don't think they care. Y'all have to, Y'all have to like Wayne is hard to get to. No, it's not. Nobody's acting like that. I'm saying Wayne holds out. Nobody is saying that. You're saying that I'm saying that my girl, my wife is never sitting on camera saying I could have fucked little Wayne, but I chose to be with this nigga instead. My point is classic love story. No, we're not doing that on camera. My point is that I'm moving towards love. I don't want to be in conversations. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like that. Yeah. I mean, after hearing my fair, I've had my fair share. You get what I'm saying? And I know that to go back to your original question, I don't really want to sit down in certain environments. You get what I'm saying? Like I don't want to sit down in front of anybody because anything is on the table. Anything is on the table. You get what I'm saying? And I'm I'm cool. We're having fun and shit, but I'm also about like pushing the music. Mall, your family reached out to me over the weekend. They are very concerned. It was just just notified that you are overpaying for your wireless right now. And your family is very concerned. Because you could just unlock savings with $25 a month forever with Boost Mobile. It's a permanent price. It does not change. And your family is sick of this. I keep the same number. You can keep the same number, the same phone, and someone will come and just do it for you. They could come right here. Yes. He and the crew. Yes. So stop terrifying your family. I'm tired of getting these calls. They're concerned for you. This is an intervention. This is an intervention based on average annual single-line payment of AT&T Verizon and T-Mobile. Customers compared to 12 months on the Boost Mobile Unlimited Plan as of January, 2026 for full offer details, visit BoostMobile.com. You get what I'm saying? You've had some interest in the last two, three years for you. Yeah. As far as industry and things like that have been very interesting for you. Have you kind of become jaded a little bit with just politics of the music business? Um, yeah. Not really, you know, meeting people and working with people and taking things more at face value than really thinking that, yo, you know, these are my guys. These are my, these are my brothers. These are my homies. I think, I think you just learned over time, like who you have real relationships with and who you don't. Um, and what situations is like love and people just fuck with you. And then it's like people just fucking with you for the situation. You get what I'm saying? So I wouldn't necessarily say jaded because I'm now at a point where like it don't really bother me. It's like, if, if I, I move how I want to move regardless of how you choose to move is how you choose to move. So if I fuck with you and I show you love, it's just cause I genuinely fuck with you. And even if that love ain't returned, I genuinely don't feel no type of way. The only part that I, I've been jaded about a little bit during this whole process is just like certain narratives. You get what I'm saying? Like, um, and that's the part that kind of like, like bothers me a little bit. You know what I mean? Like even when, you know, my, my split is like, you know, we on both sides tried to make that like as amicable as possible, shit, just be cool and stuff like that. Um, and there'll be narratives out that like, oh, like, you know, like Reese is bitter because of this or, you know, he could have released music. And it's like, I just like to let the work show. Like we, we've dropped three projects in a year and a half. So if I, you get what I'm saying? So if I, and I feel like when me and Roy, Roy might have spoke about this, that was very intentional. Yeah. Like I could have been doing this. Like because it's, it's, I never, one thing I stand on is like my character and my work ethic. I never want the narrative to be that I'm somebody that didn't work or that I didn't like put quality and I dropped three quality projects, quality projects mixed with the dead apple, mixed with deluxe records, mixed with EPs. Like, you know, I love that area of my career because it taught me a lot as an artist and I learned so much and I, I picked up so much support and so many fans. So I'm forever grateful for it, but I don't like some of the narratives that like went with me leaving. Like that was, that's the only part I feel like other industry that I kind of feel a way about is that there's narratives that just live out there and it ain't really nothing that I can kind of do to fix the narrative. You think there's more besides just the quote unquote, didn't put the work in? I think it's a few. It's like the didn't put the work in one. The reason God dropped one when it's public that I wanted to go. Um, it's a few more that I'm, I don't want to like stir the pot, but you get I'm saying, but yeah, it's just a few narratives. And it's like, at the end of the day, it was just, it's business. It's just two, two entities that wanted different goals and just saw it going different ways. And then when we saw it going different ways, we left. Like it could be that simple. You get a fan, but I also don't completely blame the public because. I also have to take accountability for my part. Like the beef happened and I used the beef to get out of my deal. And so I make that bed. I got to lay in it. Like some people are going to take things that I say a certain way, just because I use that to get out of the situation. You know what I mean? So that part of it, I got to take accountability for it. I just got to be okay with that. Was there any fear of being black wolf? A little bit, but I also feel like the way, where the, where the internet is now, which is so dope, you could just go straight to your people. Be with that. Fuck what you can go straight to your people. There was a fear of like, you know, certain platforms won't fuck with me or they won't want to have me on and this and this. But luckily I feel like because I've been a solid person and maintain my own relationships, there's a couple of platforms that I could tell is kind of like not fucking with me, but other than that, it's like, it's been, it's been pretty much love as you. For me, I'm not, I'm not. I was trying. I can't know that type of thing. They have a relationship with a little way. Yeah, I'm black. What over there? I'm black. Well, thank God. Oh man. It's crazy. I'm playing. I know I'm playing. I'm sure they would, they would still have me up there. Yeah. Cause it'd be the most messiest shit in the world. Maybe one day I'll go. What's the relationship though? Like on a personal level with like you and a lot of the guys from over there. They're like, cause obviously things change professionally for you in business wise, but like, you know, we say, you know, the business, but business can affect, can affect personal relationships for sure. For sure. And it does more times than none. Yeah. But like, what's the, what's the personal relationships like for you right now? And do you not no longer have any personal relationships that you kind of like feel away by damn. I'm mad that me and this person no longer are like, I feel like my personal relationships is like, when I've seen it, it's this love like I don't never see. I mean, I'm in LA. I run into artists from TD all the time. And it's, I've never had no weird interaction where somebody didn't want to talk to me or, you know what I mean? Or avoid. I do think it's kind of funny that it's been a couple of times where I've run into, I'm not going to say which artists, but like they about to take a picture of us. And they're like, don't take a picture. But like, I'm glad to see you. You get what I'm saying? Like, so that part. But I also understand that part of it because it's like, you know, but why not take a picture? I just think that, you know, it's about how they want to run their program with how things happen. You get what I'm saying? So if their thing is like, this is our brand and reason isn't a part of it. I can see them being like, you know, don't take the pick. You know what I mean? That's why man, like, I don't fuck the brand. Like this is my homey. I'm just saying like that's I can understand it is what I'm saying. Like it ain't for me. I'm just saying I can, I can understand it. You get what I'm saying? I can understand not wanting certain associations. Like I, I asked to leave. So it's like, if you ask to leave, you know, this attachment can't be there anymore. You get what I'm saying? And I don't, I don't feel no way about that. You get what I'm saying? I mean, I could see if it was a verse or something where it's like, maybe there are certain people in that camp that you don't get along with, but a picture. A what's up? Like, I don't think that's that's that crazy. I don't know. I do see a different. I'm not, I'm not mad at that. You know what I mean? For being like the thing, you know what I'm saying? And on top of that, it's like, I never want to fuck nobody's situation up. So it's like, if there is a thing where it's like, if you do this, it's going to be this, I would, I just rather us not take the pit. I get it. I'm saying I understand that. But I mean, it's from what I know from the, it's not that deep with my picture with you, like that's going to fuck business up for somebody. Yeah, I don't think it's that deep either. I'm just saying, you know what I mean? I don't think it was, it was that deep. But overall though, is, are you in a happier place? Yeah, I'm super happy. Like that's the part of it that like I'm just super thankful for is like, I like making music again. Like I was in a space where, and I've talked about this before when I made work, when I made Portia, exactly when I made Portia's, I was depressed. Like I went through a lot of shit that I'm going to talk about on the last color of this color series, because that'll be like the most personal vulnerable one. But I was just in a bad space and it felt like work. It felt like I was clocking in just to like watch the clock and then leave. And now it's like, I'm having fun. My team was like the homies and people that I really fuck with that I know have my best interests. Have you changed everything? My money is in the best way. On the other side too, like management and. Yeah, it's a completely clean slate, but I was already rebuilt in a new team. When we was touring Portia's, it was basically like my new team plus one person from TDE. So I was already kind of like formulating a new team because I knew that I couldn't just go out there alone. Um, so yeah, it's like my happiness is in a better space. My finances in a better space. Um, I'm I feel like the music is in a better space. Like this is my favorite album that I've ever, you know, made period point blank. Like it's in the reception behind this project has been incredible. Um, so I'm super happy. Like I don't have a day where I wake up and regret it. I have days where I wake up and I'm annoyed by saying that I did poor career curation and that I did poor curation days where I wake up and I'm annoyed by shit like that. Yeah, we're going to clip that up. Just that part though. Yeah. Just that part. Just to say. Dot has. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. That's actually what keeps that's the name. That's the name of the episode. Yeah. Dot has pure clear. Please don't. And photoshop reason as Kendrick. I wake up annoyed. You know what I mean at times just because it's like, you know, you know, I can't wait to like, like I'm trying to build my own thing and I can't wait to be like currency where people don't even relate him to being signed a little way. And I think that, but that takes a long time when you're, when you did. Yeah. It's a long time. Now I don't even think about it. Don't even think about it. And so I can't wait for that. And that's just what I'm focusing on is creating moments, putting my foot on the gas, like, you know, we're, we're gearing up the next project already. Like, you know what I mean? So I just want to flood and drop music. Yeah. I'm just working nonstop. Yeah. Um, what were some of those dream boat return of the dreamers sessions? Like dreamville did what, what I thought was one of the coolest rollouts where they invited everyone to Atlanta super crazy to put together their collab. But that was return of dreamers two or three, three, three. Yeah, three. I thought that was genius. And clearly there was a lot of clips and footage. What was that like week like being man, for me, for me, that was still in my career, like the most fun I've ever had, like, like in any part of my career, just because of like, I thrive in environments like that, where it's like, it's very competitive. It's like dog eat dog. Like, it's, you know, you talking about walking in a session and there's six artists in there and 10 producers and whoever can make the most fire beat and whoever could come up with the verses first, you know, when you get, I'm saying for the most part. Um, and the, the, the nature of it was just super dope. And I got to like build a lot of relationships off of that. You get, I'm saying, and, um, I thought what Cole did was genius, not only for the music, but also as a CEO of a label where it sets up your artist in their career, I thought it was super fire. Cause what people don't talk about in that is like Cole literally had, um, and I feel like it'd be okay to say this, but Cole literally had like a dreamville studio in there also where it was like only like dreamville niggas could be in there and working. And when all the bigger, bigger artists came in, even while they're working on songs, he's also pulling them into the room to work with dreamville artists. So now you setting up your dream, the artists that may never get in proximity with this artist or that artist to have features for their albums, um, in future work, uh, that can end up being something that benefits their career. And I think as a CEO of a label, that's genius because who's not going to pull up to that session. Well, you know what I'm saying? So you in the room with Ross, T.I. Chris Bosch is in there making beats. That was crazy. Um, I do remember seeing. You, yeah, it was a Chris Bosch. Yes. Bosch is in there making beats. I've never seen that on Twitter. And it was kind of fire. And there was a famous basketball player. Yeah. He was in there and tall as fuck. What a, what a. You're being tall in the studio. It was funny. Yeah. He was making beats. Chris Bosch making beats. Like, I was making. Poor chef. I never, I never knew that. Yeah. He was making beats. He was in the studio and they were, they were, they was fired. Like that was dope. And so you, you know, you, it's all these artists coming in and out, young newties in there. Um, you know, I could go on and on like with all the artists in there and their in proximity with all of the artists and they, and, and those type of environments, there is no ego. It's nobody like, Oh, while I was in there, um, I had a song that released with while they, because of that session and in those type of environments, it's no ego where like one niggas like, Oh, I can't fuck with you because you, this art, because we all in the same room. We all in the same level. Right. And then they're giving you a chance and hearing you rap, you know what I mean? And it's like, Oh, you fire. You get them saying. So, you know, it ended up being really dope. And they're being really dope. Yeah. Those are like the cooler writer camps to me. Yeah. Cause you and I did one, which was also dreamville related. What movie was that for? Creed. Creed. For Creed. Yeah. And this wasn't a dreamville thing. This was a lines gate, whatever you're doing. Yeah. And they just brought Ebon to do. Yeah. And they printed out a sheet for everyone of like the topics you should be writing about. And it was like loyalty and strength. And it's like perseverance, perseverance. You got to use these words in this day. Yeah. What you write with. Yeah. Loyalty and strength. No, no. Okay. Bro. I was in there rapping about pussy and jewelry. Loyalty and strength. When we walked in, like you had to get your, you know, your picture taken and fill out all this handy a shit, which I'm probably breaking right now. And then they handed me a sheet. I'm like, what the fuck is this? It was kind of crazy. It was good music that came out of that too. No. Yeah. Shit. I still directed. No, you're the one you and baby take baby take that shit. I still want to use that. That that was one of my. And I wonder if I. Me, me, Ari and me, Ari and Drew from they did a great record. Like a lot of really cool. You and cause did like seven records. We did like seven joints. Yeah. We did. We did a joint called champion with Ari Lennox. I did a joint with cause J. I. D. Um, plus made the beat horse on an air and ray. That record's super, super crazy. Um, I would love to be able to put that way. Yeah. A lot of good music came out of that too. Yeah. I did. I did get in that camp too. I smoked that camp too. I think I had like two joints that landed on the project. Yeah. It's fun to also kind of just watch those writing camps of like who was really talented. And who that's my favorite part. My favorite quiet, like in the pettiness of me quietly love my favorite part. The biggest artist was quiet, not doing shit over there. Like, Oh, cause you need, you need a couple of people. You know, it don't feel comfortable. You need your own lock the door. And then that's my thing. They say they are not until you get niggas in the gym. You play this nigga got no job job. Oh, you bum ass nigga, you average 20 with no offer. Yeah. Like, oh, they say screens. You ain't got no bag. Nigga, you can't get your own shot. That's my thing. But also you see the opposite too. Cause that was the first time I had been in the studio with baby tape. And she was bro room to room writing nigga, same verses in five minutes and then walking out and then going to the next room and get some afro beat shit. Then she was on some Atlanta. No, where's Tay from? I don't think from Atlanta. I don't think she from Atlanta, but Tate is fucking nice. She's so talented, like nice. Like, yeah. I'm not a famous. I genuinely thought she was from somewhere else, but but yeah, Tate is like dumb nice. Stupid. Like Tate is super nice. Like she was out rapping. What's the guy doing? He's a friend of y'all on the show too. Singer. Why am I blanking on his name? Drake. Drake was not at the pre writing camp with me. The reason we drink. No, he was there. Nothing made it. He was there. But nothing made it. He was nothing. Yeah. Draco make that. He ain't make the cream was like, man, he was one of the cream was like, man, he wasn't sending no pics. Michael B was like, I don't know. What are you talking about? It was I'm blanking on his name. I'm I'm I'm trash for blanking on his name because he's a big deal. But he'd be wearing like the he dressed like a rock star, but he's a singer. Fuck, I'm blank. He's a project though. Yes. St. Stupid. Nice. Mm hmm. Dumb nice. Was I that? I don't think I went to that. You were there for a while. Yeah, I was there for like four days, but St. John was there. Oh, St. John is stupid. Nice. Oh, and my favorite artists in those sessions are the rapper. That acts like he's writing his verse, but he got 12 verses already and he just plugging and playing and he's sitting there like he coming up with it. And then he going there and you had that for three and he wrapped 24 bars. And I'm just like, and then I look on L.A. Leakers and the 24 bars. The bars. Yeah, it's like that's my favorite rapper. So Red Rue Wilson, Red Rose, White Silly. Yeah, nothing but paint and blood. I'm like a chunk. Yo, but that's, you know, but that's for that because the ending before the end of you could get that off. Bro, I get it. Oh, that's what they do. I don't feel no way about Chuck Red Rose, White Silly. That's like that's what the air of the niggas came from. But it's just back because now that the internet is here, now that it's a thing like they can take them videos and piece them all together. Like, yo, he took that same verse to 30 different cities. Which was fine to me. It was really game in the parking lot when that kid was freestyling the game pretending like, hold on. He didn't know what he was going to say. He said, he said, what I say, what I say, what I say, Red Rose, White Rose. Cut it out. My favorite service. My favorite is Kobe Bryant. OK, when I wear my black mamas, I be in a. Come on, get your shit off. Chuck. Oh, man. But I was forever. For sure. Out of the so many freestyles that ended up being songs of artists that we want. Yeah. Yeah. When you pretending like you freestyle, I'm OK with that. I'm completely OK with that. Niggas, we niggas pretend all the man, Chuck, get your shit off. You know, classic songs when they went to Tim Westwood in London, like no one's going to hear this. Nobody's going to hear this. This is this for them. And then that should go viral. He like, huh, got that camera there in 2007. That's funny. What are some of your favorite producers that were at some of those? Elite, Love Elite, Jaws Elite, plus from I think he's with ear drummers, if I'm right. Plus Super Crazy. Omen, Omen is also. Yeah. He produced a lot of people that he produces also. Omen was Super Fire, Cow Banks. He was from, you know, from the camp. But Cow Banks is always one of my favorite producers. Trying to think. It was a lot of dope niggas. Me's trying to think, because I don't want to lead nobody off. And then like, it's like you had a chance to shot me out. But it was it was a lot of really, really dope niggas in there that was fire. That's one. Super crazy. I mean, that's one of the legend of my life. This is the dream camp. I don't think that's one went to dream camp. But I know they played a pack of. Was this there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Super nice. Yeah. Super nice. Do everything. Yeah. He can do everything. He can do everything. Mads is super nice. He's just an incredible creative. Yeah. Creative. Yeah. He's just. He's just. Yeah. He just he just like sitting on mad features with Cole. Bruh. Bruh. I don't know what Mads like drop drop. Like, I don't I don't understand. Bro, when I found out that was his first time directing that cold. First time directing that video. Ever. Like ever. Like the first time I directed anything. Bro, he didn't even know the language to use on set. Like he was like, I just want you to make the camera go like this. Like. And I'm like, and that's what you came up with. Like that's just let you know the type of brain. Mads is super. He's super nice, bro. Super nice. Yeah. Yeah. He's a dope creative. But yes, there's a lot of talented niggas. And they like where I said, you know, you meet some people and you like damn, like, you know, your career is gone a certain way, but you not really like, you know, I'm better than you. Yeah. Yeah. Like, well, I think I'm better than a lot of niggas. But that's just my confidence. That was something that when Cole went on his press run and, you know, he said, you know, I don't think I'm better than that. I think that was the first time we saw a rapper say that as a rapper, you know, who they're really better than you. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't ever actually say it. Yeah. Like I'm not better than, but I think he, they also kind of people also kind of took out of context what he was saying. Like he wasn't saying that these niggas are better than me. What he was saying was that there's when you get to a certain level of penmanship on any given day, a nigga can get you. That's what he was saying. You get him saying this, like on any given day, like I'm very, very confident in my pen. Like I personally think I'm like one of the best rappers on the planet period. It hands down. But on any given day, a nigga like Jig can get me on any given day, um, trying to think of another nigga, like a nigga like, um, trying to think of niggas that's in my pier that I feel like, cause it's tough. It's so confident. He having a hard time figuring out who, but I am in my, in my peer class, it's not a lot of niggas that I feel that way, but Wayne could get you. That was a call right now. That was just a callback. That was crazy. Lil Wayne. But yeah, it's, I think that's what Cole was saying is that like on any given day a nigga could jump, you know, I just think more surprising to hear cause we've heard plenty of rappers that we know are not the best, have that confidence in school, whatever, sure. You can say that, but somebody that could easily say they're the best and we're not about to question it. I think that's the point behind it. It's like a lot of these niggas just be saying that. Oh, for sure. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like they just be saying that. But if you really like confident in yourself to where you don't have to like overdo it, you can be like, Oh, he got like, I've said that plenty of times on songs, right? But like, oh yeah, that ain't got a better verse of mine. Like you got me. Jokes aside on the Wayne shit. Wayne said he's the greatest rapper alive and then convinced us afterwards. Cause all like, yeah, yeah. People have selective memory. When he started saying that shit, nobody was out the gate. Like, of course. For sure. He just put in the work. He just put in the work and then we looked up like a year and a half. Okay. He even made Jay say it. Yeah. Oh, after the show, me what you got shit. Hope came out of the city. It was like, all right. Like, you got it. It's a hot clip. It's a hot clip. Yeah. So I just think you have to prove that for it to matter. But Cole saying that, I don't know. It was a little bit of a left out. I get what I think it was a let down. Because of everything surrounding it, because of the whole apology and stuff like that, I think it was led, but I didn't, I didn't feel that way about it. And I'm not like caping for him. I didn't feel, I understood what he was saying. Like he talked about niggas like Blackthorne and Lupe Fiasco. Like I think Cole, I think for the last six years, Cole has been the best pin on the planet, period point blank. But I also know that if they in the studio session, like Lupe can get Cole on a random day, like I know Blackthorne could get, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like I know Drake can get Cole around. No doc can get Cole on a random day. So, you know, I think that's more of what he was saying. But we just had a time now where everything is being dissected when it's coming from, you know, that situation dissected, clipped. You get what I'm saying? Like a post narrative, like you know what I'm saying? Like you didn't say it. You said it. You said it. You know what I'm saying? Like I just, but I didn't, I didn't feel a way about it. But I do understand what you're saying. Like why people felt that way. But Cole pin is like nasty. Post pin is nasty. Don't let someone stand next to Cole with a hard drive. All of a sudden we'll be having a dissecting conversation. All of a sudden, Omen wrote Omen wrote Friday night. Like, have you been in a session and seen someone else write for somebody else? I've written for niggas in sessions that I would just talk about that off camera, um, that this album that came out like two years ago, that when it dropped, I was like, Oh, I wrote three notes. Nobody caught me. I'm like, damn, they just got to call me. Did you like hit their team to be like, I don't care. I got a feature. Okay. Fair enough. I get why did you think that person needed help? Like, did that shock you when you had to write it? Shock me. That's right. Yeah, that shocked me. Um, but it's like, I think it's talking to coach. You said what? Well, you're talking to question. Like you're talking to coach. No, he's not. I have no idea. I have no idea. No, you don't know who I'm talking about. You don't know. I'm not. Yeah. But he just, I know I'm not going to say the name, but he asked me. Did it shock, it shocked me because like this is like a nigga that could really rap rap. And I don't think he needed it, but it, it happened. You get what I'm saying? Like, and like, you know what I mean? Like he fuck with the ideas and he took them and then the album came out. But so I was just shocked because I'm just like, damn, like niggas ain't saying nothing. You get what I'm saying? But I just use it and spun a block got a feature. I mean, it worked. Now they're going to go through a featureless feature. And come out through the feature. Okay. Oh, that means we're, I mean, so the next feature comes out. We're going to know that. That's who he's talking about. Yeah. That's exactly what you told him about. Well, you bet. In sessions have you seen, because that's happened with someone that I, I considered could rap rap. And yeah. I had to help. No, which shocked me a lot. Any sessions that I've ever been in, which was fine though. It was a collaboration. Why are you telling people about our sessions? I don't do that. Any session that I've ever been in. I have cut a lot of your bars down before the reason. No, when reason, I took 12 bars out of a reason. When I was like, no, I'm kind of flow. It's just like, all right, this nigga. And we're finding the nicest way to kill. He like, this, this your fire. But like this section we could do. Yeah, we could do. You know, I feel like it's nice, but we could just, if we get right to it, you gotta start using buzzwords like it won't fuck with the progression. It was like the energy in this don't match anything other than niggas. Shut the fuck up. Like, so we just wrap it. From way to long. We going to be on me like so. Is there anybody that you're looking forward to working to that you probably feel like, you know, because of things that happen, it probably won't happen. I want us to do more records with cow banks. That's probably not going to happen. Um, I think I say that though. Because the business, like he signed a TDE, like I'm not, I'm not paying that, that note that they, they're going to send over for that. I'm not charging for that. Yes. Well, now what? Yes. But, um, so Cal banks, man, serving niggas shouldn't be charging for a verse, right? No, Cal banks, a producer, I'm saying I wanted his beats. So you got to, like you're going to pay your producers. So you get that. Like to hit you over the head though. I mean, Cal banks make a lot of money per beat. I would want a homie discount. I want the, you know what I mean? And you don't think that that's there no more. No, it's not going to be there. Um, but Cal banks, I would love to work with Cal banks. Um, rock, me and rock had a bunch of records that'll never come out now, which I hate because that's my favorite artists from TDE. Um, and we made a lot of really, really dope records. We made a record called government cheesest fire. Um, a lot of love records. Yeah. Send me that. Yeah. That shit is super fire. Um, so we got a lot of records that I would have loved to put out, but it's probably not going to happen. And then sir, those would probably be like the three and Ray Vaughn, Ray Vaughn, me and Ray Vaughn got a lot of records, um, that won't come out. Me and Ray Vaughn was like kind of working on like a full EP, um, just kind of like sporadically. And so those won't come out, but. Would you think you could use those songs and just maybe though on the government cheesest J-Rocks were crazy. Super crazy. Yeah. So I hear why you would not want to put it out without. Yeah. But some of those would you? Um, I would, uh, like me and me and Ray got what is that shit called? It's called like battery. I think I would use that if I was able to use it. Um, so it's a couple of them. It's a couple of them. But, um, me and Ray just made a lot of really dope, uh, records with a lot of energy to them. And I feel like our, our, we work the same. Like we work super fast. We don't overthink things. We kind of, you know, just move through things. And I feel like me and Ray could have put out a lot of really, really dope music. You know what I mean? We could have, we could have really fucked it up. And so I do hate that that'll never be a thing. You get what I'm saying? Could you at least squash the beef between baby D and Ray Vaughn? Just for the coach, do it for the coach. They still got on. Y'all still got ongoing beef. I don't have beef with no niggas from the West coast. God bless you. I guess you do cause you my nigga and I got beef with niggas from the West coast. So it's lit. Now you talking about. Now you don't got beef when I got beef. I spent that Friday, right? Motherf-a look, now we don't know when this is coming out though. So we can't even say that. Take that out. Peejee can't say that. We can't say that. Yeah. But yeah, me and me and Ray, we made a lot of dope shit. We talked about doing LA leakers, uh, situations together. Like it would have been fire. It would have been fire. So why you let Ray Vaughn check our temperature like that? Y'all like to walk around in that motherfucker with his chest out. I heard that, you know, y'all was closing the crowd in so that he couldn't see y'all and shit. Like what do you say on the thing? He said, check your energy. Yeah. And it wasn't the same when he pulled up big Ray. Yeah. Yeah. Big Ray. Why Mr. Ray Wapper, big Ray and your energy was all the way different. I'm gonna West coast. Nigga pull up and talk to you niggas and your, and stare you niggas in your eyes and talk to you niggas. I mean this big Ray, very non-concerned. He was a very lovely gentleman. Yeah. It was one of the nicer people. He was a nice, everything was nice. And that moment I was just reminded of the internet man. Like you got to, you got to know when it's real life and it's the internet. And it's like, all right, I get it. I'm pretty sure Hulk Hogan saw a macho man backstage and it was all love. But then once the fucking bell rang, you hit me with a fucking chill. Like, what? What you saying with DJ head and Gina all of a sudden it's like, wait, what happened? Ray told me that he was coming to check you niggas energy and the energy wasn't there. My energy was always the same. Wherever I go, any room I go with my energy. I said that. I know you personally, your energy is always the same. You know what's crazy about it was filmed. I'm not doing this man. I'm not doing this. I'm just fucking around man. We just fucking around. We just have a little bit of time. I'm sauteing. I'm like, yeah, I'm just fucking around. I don't shout out to Ray. You all be out joint EP. I was, I'm trying to dead the beat between him and the man. Break up him, punk. Yeah. No, he punk me and more. So there's no beat. He checked us. We done. I'm trying to be getting punked as a grown man. That is the funniest in the world and at a media room, at a media room. Crazy. Yeah. Um, how hard did Joey badass back to this kick day? Like that. We heard nothing from day. Where is daylight at? Have you spoken to him? Is he cool? I have a spot. He don't even play basketball. No, he's supposed to that. I just seen day. I play bad. I just seen him play back in LA fitness. I ain't seen him. I'm just saying. I don't. He used to show us clips after the battle. It's like, damn, they like, no, you don't even play ball. No, he don't even listen to me. Yeah. Like what's up with Dave? Man, he all right. I don't know. You don't speak to him. I haven't spoken to day. I haven't spoken to day. Yeah. That's my nigga, man. Hopefully he good, man. Wherever he is, whatever he's doing with artists having to do so much other shit. I'm not just making projects. Would you ever enter a URL type arena? That was actually on my bucket list when I first like when I first first got signed on my bucket list was to do a URL battle. I think I would still do it. Um, but right now I'm just like, I'm that was when I was having three year gaps in projects. I would have had time to like, you know, really map it out. I would have to really cause that should that's the best. Those are the best lyricists on the planet. Um, and so I had a list of niggas that I wanted to like go against if I did do it. Um, and I still want to do it one day. If it makes sense outside of the obvious A list, A list ones, because you have to do a few battles before you got there. What would be some of the names that do a few battles before I get all you gotta do is just go on the internet and talking about shit. If you build up a fight quick enough. All right. So this is, so this looks right now. Let's try to get this. I'm not trying to get this. Oh, no. Yeah, you can't start with a certain thing. It's a progression. It's a certain. So what do you like? Like I would, I would battle Charlie clips not cause he's not nice, but because no, I know, but because there's a chance that he might not take me serious and only show up with one round. So if I win, then that's, that's big bragging point. So I would do a battle clips. Um, I would battle hit man. I would battle wouldn't battle rock, wouldn't battle serve. I wouldn't battle Lux outside of those three. I probably like battle pretty much anybody else. And I wouldn't battle nitty. I wouldn't battle nitty. You think this is too nice? I'm not going to win. Nitty is nice. Maybe stupid nice. Yeah. Yeah. Like rock is my favorite. And I think he's stupid. Nice. Lux is a God in there. I battle mook. If I had to change, but that one, I wouldn't be able to. Just battle, but I would battle mook. I better move. I took that mook hate personally just now. Nah, I just think that mook. You don't think mook is in the same conversation as Tay Rob. It's not about the conversations about styles. Like I don't think mooks pin is where the other people's pin is that I named. It's just angles with mook. And I feel like I do angles well. Like I story tell, I perspective rap. Like I feel like I do angles well. Well, Moog does it. The best where it could come across a simplicity compared to somebody like I don't think it's simple. Yeah. It's more effective. I don't think it's simple. I just think that it fits my style of writing better. Like I think my style of writing fits with mook style of writing better. So I would like that battle. I'm not saying I would win. I'm just saying these are battles I would be interested in. I'm not interested in battling Lux on no way. You're making that clear. On no planet, on no land, on no television. Reason making that very clear. Like I'm not interested in battling Lux. Not on my vision board. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not about it. It's nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. But these are niggas that like I would I would be excited about it. I'm not saying I would win. But those niggas I would be excited about. Yeah. Battling. I'd be excited about battling. I wonder if anyone like smack or. That or any of those platforms have ever reached out to rappers. Like if you and did just decided. Yeah. No beat like do it in the same type of arena that you are. Well, you're not going against battle rappers. You're going against your peers that music. Yeah. I can see why. It's the same thing with the NBA in the 101. I know how you view your pen. But yeah, there's a lot to lose for someone that's just making music to go into an arena and get that way. But I think in the internet, like at this point, if you lost, if you put out a good song the next day, no one's going to care. But ego gets in the way of a lot of really, really dope things. It's the same thing with like the NBA in the 101 competition. Like one on one's will be super. That should be something. And that don't mean that a nigga is better than you and basketball because he beat you in the 101 because basketball was a five on five. But egos get involved. Eagles get involved in features like Joey. Joey just tweeted something about that where he was tweeting. I thought he used in Colas, for example, wasn't really accurate, but he was basically tweeting that like there's a lot of artists that like certain collabs and features don't happen because of ego. And where he comes from is like he didn't been on records with the best spitters. And it's like, you know, we just rap and whoever get the best that day, they get in and you move on. I think that's the way to look at it when you talking about like progressing hip hop. Like I feel like hip hop is in it's kind of in the space. It is. I was talking about this on a dead apple with New York. Like I feel like New York, the legends is loving the death, but they didn't. They didn't pass the baton the way that they should have passed the baton. Like they, they don't be working with artists. Niggas only want to work vertically or horizontally and never like what vertically means up and down. What you give me what I'm saying? Yeah. Um, and I don't subscribe to that. That's why I work with the Kai cash is in the, the Ruben Vincen's and, you know, the Eman Nunez and all the time. But I work with them because that's the only way and I'm not saying I'm the biggest artist, but that's the only way for the shit, the revolving door to keep spinning. You can understand. And a lot of niggas don't do that. 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Nobody can convince me otherwise. You don't have art. You know, I do not disagree with you. You don't have an artisan to you. That's that dope that can rap. I'm doing a concert. I'm about my twenties, my 30s. What about the mix tape? What about the mix tape? Yeah. Well, nobody's on the mix tape. Nobody was just Grammy nominated. He should be on something. Your artist is nominated for rap album of the year. He's not on nothing. But you have to see it from the perspective of like his, like, you got a future on your album. Don't really have no features. They don't really have no features. Damn. I think that that's one of the knocks. No, you got a future on your album and not Jid. Future is doing a hook. He's Jid can do hooks too. You not heard this album? No, you're right. I think very highly of Jid. I just I don't think it was ego with that thing. I think it's a concept album. I think he saw it a certain way. I think Cole has done so many records. He saw Future and Timbs on his album and probably somebody else that we missing. But he didn't see his artist that is Grammy nominated. Who has a rap verse on Cole's album? Who has a rap verse on Cole's album? What about the I'm just saying, what about the mixtape before the album? There's no features on the mixtape. It should have been. That's what I'm trying to tell you. My my artist that is a rapper that's dope is Grammy nominated for rap. I would say where we disagree is when he did all the return of the Dreamers albums, like you could never say Cole has not tried to put on for every artist that's ever been signed to Dreamboot. Like he did that. I'm not saying he have one for himself. I'm not saying that. I'm saying his career plenty of times to get on. I'm saying how many songs you on his album, 20 something. Ma says, Ma says, terrible. I said, J. Cole had a terrible curation of the fall of. Jen should have been on that album. I would have liked to see you see Jed on the album, but I don't think it's an ego thing. I would have loved to see it on that. But I just asked the part on the green. But I don't think it's an ego thing. I would have loved to see Jed on that album. And I think Jed can rap with anybody on the planet. I just don't feel like it's an ego thing. Do you think anybody else that's an artist of that magnitude who has an artist like Jed signed to them at the time and that artist is Grammy nominated is not going to be on that next album? Depending on the concept of that album. In the timing of it. Y'all love sticking to that word concept. Well, I'm a hard to concept album. I think it should have had Jed on that vision board on his concept album. He should have thought about Jed and one of his concepts. He said, yo, you know who will sound crazy right here. This nigga that I'm signed that I signed that's currently Grammy nominated. He would sound crazy right now, but I'm going to put Tim's right here by the horns. And then we go, get it. So fuck off. It's features incredible. It is. I'm not saying it's not. But Jed is not just a rapper. He said he can see he can he can hold a melody. He can he can flow like he can do a bunch of different things. He could fit. He can do everything. I'm sure just submitted shit for the album and I'm sure the best things for the album got picked. Oh, so you're saying Jed is not dope enough to make that. That's not what I said. The marriage said that I did not say that. The marriage said that Jen's execution of his first was a pure cure. I think she just said, that's trash. Yeah, that's what she said. I'm sure he submitted all that reputation. The leaders bring that over here. Shout out to Jed. That's my nigga. And Jake can do everything. Jed is he should have been on that generational talent. I don't care what you're saying. Yeah, I would not be surprised if you know what I would. Album, J. Cole is on. You know what I would have liked to see on that album. I was talking to Kyle's about this. Um, I would have liked to see like a dreamville record where like, it's gonna sound kind of weird, but like every artist is like wrapping a verse, but they're all coming in at different times of the verse, but they're telling a story about how dreamville is created. But it's all the different artists. Like wrapping different parts of the verse. So it almost sounds like there's one voice that's wrapping the story of creating dreamville, but different artists are plugging in. Like, I think that would have been fire. Wait, like when they came into the story, don't just the curation of like thinking about making a label and then making the label. So like maybe when he starts talking about signing cars, it's like, he's like, and I go to LA and I met this kid and cause voice comes in, wrapping the same wraps, you know what I'm saying? Like, but like wraps that part. I just think that would have been dope. Instead we got the Tupac and Biggie story. Fire. Oh God. Do that was fire. Fire. This is how I know I'm the only objective person on this. I'm biased when it comes to call. I'm biased. This is very, I just, yeah. Yeah. I know the biggie in Tupac store. Fire. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So Cole wasn't on J.I.T.S album. We're not doing that, bro. We're not doing that. They've done a shit ton of records together. They didn't do a video. We're not doing that. Shout out to Cole. Shout out to J.I.T.S. See y'all say this and then, and then next, next year when it come out that J.I.T.S. no longer signed the dream villa, he ain't fucking called. Y'all gonna be like, yo, nah, but you know, things happen. I'm just calling in that. I don't think they fuck with me. That's the issue. I don't think they sign there no more than it's beef. I'm not saying beef. All right. Yeah. If Roy Woods is not on Iceman, I don't even know what's going on. If Molly ain't on Iceman. Yeah. Yeah. I got the niggas up. They not Grammy nominated. I got an issue. They're not Grammy nominated. They got to be Grammy nominated. This nigga was nominated for Rap Album of the Year. It don't get bigger than that. Like, what are you talking about? So Roy Woods got to be Grammy nominated to be on Iceman. I'm saying if Roy Woods is Grammy nominated for Album of the Year and he's not on a Drake album, I don't think they fuck with each other. You telling me Smiley wasn't Grammy nominated? So y'all being funny. Y'all cracking jokes. And then we're just sitting down with Kev next year talking about, yeah, you know, she just got funny over there. Then I'm going to look like a prophet once again to you, nigga. Right. All right. Well, go ahead. Get your shit off. Get your shit off. Man, I'm feeling like a prophet. I was going to say, when was the first prophecy like? Yeah. We're winding the tapes. Y'all going to see. We're winding the tapes. We're winding the fucking tapes. I think it's completely fine. I think I don't I haven't talked to you about that, but I don't see it that way. I don't. I don't. I'm just saying if Jim was on there, he would have been it would have been fire. Well, he's he's incredible. That's what I'm saying. He it's crazy that he's not. But then looking at Jidd's album and Cole, ain't this like damn. Like he's been not saying they haven't worked together. We know that he's been on Jidd's albums. I know I'm talking about the album that was just Grammy nominated. Oh, yeah. Cole got to be on every single Jidd album. I'm not saying he do. I'm just saying he's not there. And then Cole's most anticipated album. Jidd is not there. And the mixtape that he put out before the album. Nobody was it. All right. Okay. That's like 30 songs he could have been on. Like 30 songs. No, we're all right. Yeah, I got it. No Calico on the black album. Explain it. What was the last smiley feature? Y'all name me niggas. That's not Grammy. Now, Mr. To what? What's the song that was smiling drink party on the two Mazza? See, you're not too Mazza enough. You don't even you're not too Mazza party on this album. I don't know who's on this album. Bro. Well, he's in most defense. He did just do a joint party. He did. He did. I was definitely full of shit. Yeah, I was definitely full of shit. Yeah, for sure. But no, I feel like Cole, Kendrick, and Drake have all done well with the features with the artists that were signed to them. Well, I mean, Kendrick was signed to TDE, but still looking out for TDE. No, but I get what you say. Yeah, I think they've all done a very great job at that. Yeah, I think I think I took the whole blueprint and did the same thing for sure. For sure. I agree with that. Um, what's up with your West Coast brother, Chris Brown? You ran up in pitchfork while he was out here in New York. I don't know what's going on with Chris Brown. I have no idea what's going on. No, that's on Pairu. It was 1.6 on pitchfork. Yeah, that's on pitchfork. How did you know they got to be trolling me? They throw everything. Yeah, it's kind of, it sucks to see what pitchfork has become because at one point they were like the nerd place that we would go to for actual real objective views of people that actually we don't have. This is not like, yo, we'll give Ice Spice a nine and Chris Brown a one. This album is a piece of shit. That, that's just to word it like that outside of what pitchfork used to be and why we love it. Yeah, why are they trying to keep up with the, with like the bullshit blogs? Yeah, we almost don't have a shower. Like we almost don't have nothing like that though. Right now no more like period. Like it ain't nothing that's like, listen, it's out there. It's just not, it's not that popular. Popular. Yeah. I'm saying this album is a real piece of shit. It's fucking crazy. It's crazy. Like I could get, I get if y'all don't like the album and so, but to word it that way about one of the greatest artists of his generation and bro, this album is a real piece of shit. We've never seen, we haven't seen that about people's who albums are really pieces of shit. It couldn't be moving towards love. No. Ice Spice. They move towards quick baits. That's what they move. Yeah. I saw that the Ice Spice joint. That was crazy. They gave Ice Spice 7.6. Yeah. And they gave like dots album lower and then somebody was it Co's album lower too? Probably. Co album lower. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy. Should have had you. And listen, I'm not above an extra point. I'm not, I'm not above the trolling and the fun shit, but I just don't feel like pitchfork is five point. Oh, they got my nigga fucked up. Five point three is a little. Five point three is crazy. What have they given other Co albums? Oh no. I haven't paid attention to pitchfork in a long time. And that's the thing. I think that that's what they, that's why they want people to start. So they have to do things like this album is a real piece of shit. They got to do shit. Like, cause they know people are not really looking at it like that. I haven't really paid attention. The office is at six point five. That's crazy. That's Roy favorite. Cole, I'm all about you. Wow. They have KOD at six point three. Wow. I didn't know that the pitchfork hated Cole like this. Yeah. Oh, now, well now I definitely understand why Chris Brown's getting a one point six. That one point six is crazy. Oh, that's that. That's one point six. Yeah. They said it's almonds, a real piece of shit. One point six. I was gonna get out of six. That shit is. I don't know, man. But that's why it like nowadays you just got to go to your people and just as long as your people fuck with it, which I haven't really been paying attention to how this album has been received by Chris Brown fans. But as long as your crowd is fucking with it, I think that's the biggest thing that matter at this. Man, because I think Chris Brown, I think he spoke about that. And I think he debuted with 70,000 first week. It's great like that. Um, he spoke about it, but I mean, listen, bro, when you packing out stadiums, yeah, who gives a fuck what pitchfork is saying that that's what I'm trying to say. It was a single Leon the week before and then just announced shit like, yeah. Monica low rating. What you thought you thought that would be a 10 to them? I thought it would be got like, I like that. You like Monica. I like my little fuck out of here. Shout to Jack and Hollywood Co. I like Monica. You don't like that. Seriously, I'm not trolling. I like that. I listen to this. There's joints. I'm not listening to the album he wrote for. Yeah. Then he got to swap. No, that's that's not. I wish you have reason wrote Monica. I will stop podcasting if I ever found out that reason. What nothing in the universe makes sense anymore. I'm like, ah, you know what? I just don't know what the fuck is going on. You ain't you ain't hearing my pockets. If I find out that you wrote that album, bro, I'm done because it's like, I don't know what's going on anymore. I didn't write Monica. Have you dated a Monica before? Because we still don't know why Jack called it. So maybe you were the ghost writer and that's why. And then he called you like, yo, why didn't you tell me that that was that was going to be a thing? No, like, no, I'm not. I'm not trolling. I like that album. I do. Like I was surprised. I was surprised when I got on the internet and saw the reaction. Because nobody expected that sound from Jack. Yeah, but that's okay. No, it's not. He got to develop a sound first before he just completely turns it to a whole different. Did you say that when Drake dropped? Honestly, never mind. But Drake had given us those types of that vibe before that. I'm just really just like trolling with it. Yeah, but he gave Drake gave us those types of sounds before that. So you think this is his 808s and heartbreaks? I wouldn't call it that, but I know you wouldn't. I think you're trying to pull. Honestly, never mind. 15 years in a Drake's career. I know. I think in theory, like if an artist get the urge to do some different shit, there's anything wrong with that. It was bad timing. And, you know, I think if I think without that interview, the album is received a lot better. I think without the interview about being black or the album is received. I think it's received in a very regular way at that point. It was received terribly after the. What did they get Monica? Yeah. But I don't know. Three points something. Three point one. And they gave Chris Brown a one point six. That is fucking crazy. So Chris Brown's album is worse than Monica. That's what that's what pitchfork is saying. Wait, they gave. I'm not even like a cutting, crazy fate like that. They gave Man on the Moon a four point nine. Yeah. Yeah. And that was at the time when pitchfork was like, yeah, let's just cut pitchfork off. Let's just cut pitchfork. Let's just not talk about pitchfork. Before we get out of here, do you guys see Wale was on Ebro's Apple Music Show? I think kind of saying the same shit we've been saying about hip hop fans and media at this point and where she is at, which let's get prepared. If you're hearing this, a nice man is out. This is exactly what I think is going to be happening of what Wale said. Can we play that run? I complain about the fandom and the toxicity of the fandom and what social media has done to that. It don't look like it don't look like like. And in the 90s, 80s or like any generation, like he would you would never imagine like the artist fans like taking it so far. Like like almost like sports rivalries. Like and it's like, dog, you know, this, you know, this hip hop shit. It kind of cost me. You're going to come. You know, this hip hop shit was based on like unity for real. Like, you know what I'm saying? And it's so it's not unified, like whatever. And it's like kind of like, you know, but you know, at the end of the day, like it's still it's still like it's not in this infancy, but it's still a very young genre and we are in a different time now. Digital social media. So we are where we are. Not de Maris kill him the way you killed me on the complex media list. When they asked for a quote and I said, hip hop fans are turning into the worst football tailgate of all time. That's the same shit. While they're saying there, like this, this isn't even like this. This is like drunk behavior in a parking lot at MetLife for a fucking Giants Eagles game of where we've gotten like no one can enjoy music anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you listen to one, you can't listen to the other. You can't like both. You know, there's like it's just bad. It's toxic. I don't believe in none of this shit. You don't believe what? But you told me to a nigga that never believed cyberbullying. No. Like I thought that was stupid when they tried to make cyberbullying. Just don't go on the fuck. Go on. Don't go on. Don't just you could just do that. Yeah. Fucking phone off and enjoy the music. And we're talking about for adults. We're not talking about for children. But yeah, like a cyberbullying for an adult. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you kidding me? I like that she had to clear that up because it's like that is a fact. Yeah. But yeah. And I mean, yes, but at the same time, it's like, what if what if like, you know, and I'm talking about the people that work in the space, your job is to be in that in that space and work in that space. You can't just be offline. Period. You can't. Because you have to. But as an artist, who can we again, pitchfork? I'm not even just talking about artists. I'm talking about even y'all like you just can't like you can't just not be online because that's part of your job. I'm not online. I see money bags every fucking day. You're online. Yeah. But that's not me being online. No, like I don't I don't know what's going on outside of what I'm looking at. So like if I'm if I'm looking at something, I'm going right to that. I don't know. Rory got to tell me a lot of shit that's going on on the time. So what if you go on there looking at looking at what you looking at? But then your mentions of play you like, what am I mentioning for it? Now you look and it's like, you get what I'm saying? Like a lot of those is bots. A lot of those is fake pages. A lot of those is no, I agree with you that we shouldn't let it affect us the way that, you know, certain things affect us. I'm just saying, I don't think it's as avoidable as you are making it for me. Because I've seen Wale say shit on podcasts and certain fan bases will dedicate the next month trying to destroy Wale. It's crazy. He has the curse tool where like anything he says can be turned into a negative thing and gets taken out of contact. But at the same time, because Wale does shit like this. See, when you don't address that shit. You don't give that shit no energy. So like Nick is going to say, Wale could put out the greatest album in the last 20 years tomorrow shot to his last. I'm not sure was incredible. I think the Wale Leon Thomas. I'm surprised that record is not number one. I feel like a number one record to me. Climb the charts every day. Like that was like Leon Thomas records feels like a number one record. But then you get into the mix where the internet does matter to an artist in 2026. What was the list of the hundred rappers? Who did that? Was that complex? Um, oh, yeah, complex. Complex that a hundred hundred rappers. Yeah. A hundred rappers. Yeah. Wale is not in the top 100. Yeah. And reason wasn't that's crazy. That makes no sense. And reason was reason wasn't that's insane. That's insane. Yeah. I just think that he has with Leon Thomas coming off that album. The not making the top 100. No, but that's crazy because the internet can control that type of stuff when they decide to go against you. Yeah. You're there. And not to say that it's a, it changes too much with an artist. If you're on the complex 100 list, but it does show you that there is a clear agenda happening at the moment where the internet is against you. So it can affect an artist. I'm just saying, I didn't do it. It does affect. Yeah. It does affect. It can. And it does. But when you sit down with Ebro and speak about it, talk about it, and then you're on other platforms talking about it and then you tweeting about it and things like that. You giving that energy and they like, Oh yeah, we got them. We fucking we getting that be they hold Gola. That's all it is. But what you don't speak on that shit. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten in my feelings and actually responded back to a fan. And then the response is like, Oh, I can't believe you responded. You are my favorite rapper. It happens all the while. I just continues to put out the dope music, the dope albums that he's been doing. Now, if he wants to speak about not being ranked in the top 100, that's completely different because that's crazy that he's got. He should be a top 30. But yeah. For online toxicity and shit that fans are saying online. Man, fuck all of that. Yeah. Yeah. Don't speak to that. Bush keep you got an incredible album. Yeah. You to me, while they don't have a whack album, I don't know what the fuck you doing. Yeah. Like you wanted to fly. It's one of the Ellis got one of the dopest albums. Keep doing that shit. Keep doing what you do. Fuck that online shit. Man, that shit ain't it don't really it don't really do the things that artists say it does until the artist is sitting on the platform saying it's affecting certain things like you giving that shit energy. That's the catch 22 of the internet because I'm sure Wale would say that the internet was a huge reason of why he's where he is today. Wale was one of the first people on Twitter. Wale was what was crazy during the blog era. Like Wale really utilized and understood the internet in the beginning to pat his career. So once you in the internet, you in the internet, you can't go back and forth. Like yeah. And the internet can make narratives about you that make people that could have potentially been new fans, not even remotely. Yeah. Like give you a chance like that. Like there's artists that have narratives about them that it's like people won't even listen to what they put out. Period point blank because of the fact that there's a narrative about that. Yeah. Or I'm on this side and that person's affiliated with somebody on that side. Even if they not like you get what I'm saying? Like it's like that's a real that's a real thing. Like I've gone through that. I've literally seen people be like, you know, reason no Drake. So I we ain't listening to that shit. And that's just period. And who knows, it could be a bot. But my whole point is that like there are people out there that genuinely feel that way, you get what I'm saying? And so it could affect your career in that way. I do agree with you that you shouldn't. I do agree with you that you shouldn't give it like a shit ton of energy, but I don't agree with like the fact that like it doesn't affect anything. Like I definitely I think the internet is too powerful today for things to not affect you. You know, I think that you give that shit energy and you give those people online because for all the people that's online that hate on Wale and talk shit about Wale, it's a bunch of motherfuckers that support them. One thousand. I think that's where you focus at. And that's where you put the energy towards all that other shit you giving people a reason to be like, yeah, we fuck it. Let's keep keep adding them. Is this fucking with him? He or he bro talking about us. He might be the next one he respond to. Yeah, you giving that shit energy, man. Like I just I don't know. I'm just I'm just different. I guess maybe I'm not there yet. But if I was had Wale's career, the record he has right now, plus that album, I'm not on the top 100 list. I'm gonna be tight. And I would speak to that. And I'm gonna think I would speak to not be on the top 100 list specific agenda against like this is personal. Right. No, I would speak to I'm with you. I would speak to not being on the top record. That record is insane. The Wale Leon Thomas. Yeah, but that's the number one song. I'm in a hundred percent. That is no different than the shitty guy with us. Usher was that matrimony. That's that. His other. He had with T. Eric. What was her name? T. Eric Thomas. Bad. I'm T. Y. T. Thomas. That's that same DNA. That's that. That's that Wale Lotus flower bomb. Yeah, that's right there on all of that. So I mean, Wale is dope, man. I just think I would like to see Wale just not pay that shit on mine and continue doing what the fuck he doing because Wale is ill. Yeah. Well, reason we appreciate you. I know you have some show. Over towards love. Yes. Moving towards love. We at the the Roxy May 28th LA. Okay. Roxy May 28th. May 28th. Yeah. May 28th. So go get your tickets. If you in LA May 28th. I got my dog Keon Bell with me. You mine Europe in sham 1016. They're all rocking with me and I'm gonna bring some of the homies out. It should be dope. Yeah. That's what I was love is out. Move towards love is out of the best projects of the year. I stand on that reason. Keep doing what you're doing, man. I love this new energy. I love this new, just new found motivation. Thank you. You seem a lot more into it. And you know, I think it's nothing but great things for you coming from this point on. So I appreciate it. And anytime you're in New York, man, come kick it with us, man. You know, we always, always. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's reason. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.