The Great Aston Martin Valhalla Drive

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It's the smoking tire podcast. Let's go How's everybody doing it's Monday, isn't it mmm that means Christian will post a meme of some kind It's true. He's like clockwork. They're good though. They are pretty good. They're good, and I usually haven't seen them before yeah I think I was just fed an article That I literally was like the exact like and I read this article like a year ago And I it was just like copy paste new title and just like posted to a major news site as a new article Whoa, but I literally recall reading this exact article like a year ago the word for word and and I think the title also Like it wasn't even like this arch article originally appeared in the dada edition of the dada It was just like published March 30th, 2020. Yeah, I was like, oh is like Apple news feeding me like throwback And I was like no, this is just this was written. No, like I've definitely read this exact classic rock station of Ratings crazy. I don't know. Hi. How's how's everybody? Zach did a lot of work this weekend making sure the Aston Martin Valhalla video went up. So we appreciate that they I mean it happens, but they moved the embargo date up by a day Or they by two days. Yeah, it was and they were like sorry But then like, you know Zach had to edit on a all day on Sunday, which which sucks Fortunately, we kind of make our own weekends But like we do but our but neither of our wives do right and so that that When Hannah wasn't working didn't fucking matter what day we did anything. It's true, you know, yeah now weekends matter Yeah, it's okay though happens now and then and It was fun to edit because it's cool car. It is a very cool car a lot of shots Yeah, you did so many slides You undersold it when you came back from the trip you were like I slid it around I was like alright And then I'm watching this video. I'm like, oh, this is alright That's the this is the drift turn and then like literally eight minutes later. I'm like, alright, they're all drift turns Do I keep all of them? You know, see that's the same brevity. No like this cars like I Get it's it's like a million dollars. I you know what I mean So like I if you listen to this podcast for five minutes there's like there's upfront eye rolls with like it's a fucking million dollars plus but It's Imagine the guy who developed the seven series McLaren in charge of that program was given, you know a Lawrence stroll a son sure and a bigger checkbook and ten years newer technology to say Okay, impress people for us now and so that's like kind of what this this car is it's sort of like if you took the vibe of the seven series McLaren car and Went well like let's hypercar this thing up with like two motors at the front and an E You know and a motor generator and like all those things and Like let's like flex our carbon fiber muscles like let's because they're they're making that stuff in house now the car Been and like they're making carbon in a it's fuck. It's been so long since I drove this car I'm like holy shit. I have to remember what I what I learned in the video. I should go watch my own video No, but you know the carbon tub and structure is it was done by the F1 team. It's it's incredibly Rigid it's got this fabulous inboard suspension And remember when we drove the Mercedes black series the AMG GT black series the orange one Mm-hmm, and we're driving and we're like this engine feels like it feels like a front engine to McLaren with the flat plane crank And all that like it felt like a supercar motor just like in the front Well now a similar version of that motor is in the back of a carbon tub car, so it's cranked up To make like a hundred more horsepower bigger turbos and and Aston really gets to you know, they get a Mercedes engine to start with but they really have Contractually earned themselves the right to like hot rod the fuck out of these things, so it's different pistons. It's different turbos It's different fucking valves. It's like it's pretty it's pretty Meadly rebuilt and then you have the tri-motor, you know hybrid system Which in this thing is fucking cool because not only is it doing torque vectoring and brake vectoring and torque fill but also the it it does the traction control which is so awesome because unlike grabbing The brakes it has this infinitely variable Traction controllability so it can it doesn't I don't use it in the video because I was having too much fun I was like and off but like I did run some laps with it on And it doesn't like almost every traction control system you'll ever use In some way inhibits your pace, you know what I mean like you can feel it pulling power Or worse when it's break vectoring you feel it going go go go on the brakes And they're like well boy that is not very much not real right It's like a tank treks it stops the inside Yeah, and so you stop and you turn left right stop and you turn right a little bit So it just does a small version of that so when it can do it at the front sort of infinitely And when it can do it at the back using the motor generator It really feels because it's got so much fucking power, you know if if you're trying to put down 800 or 900 horsepower, but but five would do it Mm-hmm. It really manages to give you the five Without feeling like it's slowing you down, you know at all. It's doing some like really good math And then I don't know how many times I said it in the fucking video We had you cut it down a couple of times But the steering ratio like is so bang-on like the amount that you turn the wheel to get through the corner Is the exact right amount no matter what corner you're in and like that's fucking Not too much like Ferrari and not too little like you know older cars basically and then it's got you know It's a carbon tub and it's got these buckets But because it has the door cutouts or the roof cutouts which I sort of complained about in the Maserati video The carbon tub gets really narrow And then the seats are like kind of like laid back a little bit like a like Half way to an F1 car sure yeah the impression of you end up feeling in almost this Like a zero G kind of seat and like unlike the MC-20 the lumbar pillow was like sculpted correctly And so it was like it was I was in this car for like six seven hours and It's very comfortable not no problem and also Not that well like when you open the door, you know the pedal box it like it's a there's a cut forward So yeah, legs in that's instead of having to like shove them You know around this corner right there's opening to get your feet to the pedals is deeper Yeah, we pin instead of like turn yourself into a baby and then your feet in that combined with the plop down Yeah, like real nice It was very easy to drive on the road like you and and not only easy to drive on the road like Pretty fun at five tenths like I wouldn't say it's like quote fun at 65 on the highway like but it's it has a really good ride So you can you could put it in comfort mode and you could do a road trip in it Except for the fact that it has no trunk you'd have to figure out one of them John Olson Racks, yeah, the cargo box situation tough at the door I mean a true boss would ship their luggage or something sure or have a have a support Have a friend drive behind you But I think I think the five tenths is important because there's some cars where it's either boring at five tenths or It's such a compromise car that you don't even enjoy it And it's not until you start going fast start getting adrenaline start having fun where you you go Okay, these compromises are worth this price or worth or the price is worth the fun But if it's still exciting and like fun to steer and feels pretty comfortable and looks cool But isn't like the conig remember like it's not like that where you're like this sucks Unless I'm going a thousand miles per hour, and I forget that it sucks Yeah, so I think that's the good blend for this for a supercar right and a lot of you know It's a lot of the really fast EVs They're there when you're like launching and doing whatever they're super fun and then they're and then they're whatever and and and With and with a lot of a lot of hypercar type cars It's like well, this is amazing at at a zillion miles an hour, but You know an 80s Ferrari or night is more fun at slow speeds like for a very very fast car This is really nice to drive at low speeds And that's what when you talk about like is the steering communication good does the brake pedal feel nice Does it feel small and agile and like does it take a mid-corner bump? Well, you know can you see through a tight hairpin and is it good through an open sweeper and like is it just Generally very nice to drive and and like sporty and fun and like it actually it really is and it if you keep it in Well sport Quotes sport is comfort Right there's like EV to like putter out of your neighborhood which actually You you don't even need to do because it's a it's a pretty quiet engine unless you're like really really on it Yeah, there's the double exhaust which I mean it was in the the AMG GT also Yeah, that was one of my complaints about is it didn't sound cool and tough and like the other cars Because it was just a fast flat plane, but yeah, I would say it sounds in this like a And I keep making the comparison but like like a more refined version of a McLaren sure yeah You could there will probably be some I mean some crazy person will make an aftermarket this already has the There believe it or not they sell this with two exhausts They sell us with two exhausts and two different sets of wheels like you can get regular wheels and magnesium wheels I make sense that makes sense a regular exhaust or like the titanium exhaust. I'm like for Who who isn't just getting that for like a million dollars? Just fucking make it and what were you able to hear both exhausts all the cars had the titanium Okay, so they were all the the loud loud not that loud. Yeah, I mean it's a it's a mid-engine twin It doesn't even have mufflers. You heard me say in the video You know between the turbos and the Euro particulate filter. It doesn't actually have a muffler at all Oh The new 4G T is that a car? I only drove it on a track that car seemed to me like something that would not be fun Exciting at 5 tenths the way this is guys taking a break for our friends. 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That's join delete me dot com slash tire Code tire and now back to the show But you've driven them more so only yeah, I mean I drove it You know, I drove one around like three or four hundred miles in a day and that was it but At the time it was very exciting It was new and very exotic and and it drove nicely on the road But also because it's like a homologation race car and has like so little Insulation in it all the gravel and all this like it felt it almost felt like cheap and thin, you know like the Senna Even though it was the opposite to get it that way it's very expensive and you know and Intentional to do it, but it's part of the reason I like the older 4 GT better as a road car Even though this one when you're going really fast is fucking super impressive But like I Don't ask it is really not fucking around here like the guys name. I wrote it down back then is Andrew K Ka y he was the chief designer and engineer on the 720s who's who's in this in now at Aston in this program But I Mean yes, it's it's very very expensive But like you know the assumption wasn't just that Aston didn't want to make a car like this in the past Like the assumption was kind of that they weren't capable of it. You know like they make a great GT dot dot dot but Ferraris in Formula one and Lamborghinis, you know, they're a Lamborghini Aston's in Formula one although this year. I mean, I mean previously but you know like You know in in the sort of Lawrence stroll era the cars went from you know, these are nice GTs But there's a few asterisks on there too like wait hang on a second You know to sure now we're in Formula one and even when they when they first got in Formula one And it was like remember we got the Vantage F1 edition and it was sort of this like okay It's the safety car But like it's you you put a wing on it and you made the suspension stiff and like alright come on now You know, that's that's cute, but like sort of nice try, but what was that five years ago? Maybe yeah? Yeah, you know and and here we are you know and the Valkyrie Was a bold statement, but obviously it was it's it's not a real fucking car It's like a ludicrous thing. That's you know, yes I mean, I didn't realize I looked they were in F1 from 59 to 60 and then not till 2021 Yeah, so that F1 edition car was probably 2021 five years ago. Yeah, and it was cute Yeah, but it was like a dressed-up version of the existing car and this is in car was not great Yeah, or sit in or whatever which driving the s this week and we'll talk about it next show But times they have a change with that vehicle. Yeah But you need to drive it a little more. Yeah, have you driven at all? Did you have it all yet? No, okay? You need to take the one I drove was a was just a regular no No, you need to take this one today. Yeah, you drive this it's this is are we taking it to track this week? No, okay No, unfortunately sadly Aston declined they needed they wanted you know like sort of Porsche to It's not about the car being on track It's that they they don't want it to beat to go to a track without like a support person being there They want to make sure the tire pressures are good. They want to make sure the fucking they check the tour They yeah, they just they want someone to be there and they didn't have somebody so we couldn't do it this time But but you should still drive it because fuck anyway You know to go from that vantage F1 edition five years later. We've got this fucking thing which is Not just insanely fast and made of so a lot of in-house stuff barring the engine But also it's so good to drive that's a fucking idiot like me Can with not a lot of practice Like drift it comfortably around a circuit that I it's my first day at yeah, you know like with like Reasonable competency not perfect mind you patrons know what's up. There's a shot you should promote that a little bit Yeah, they're like this track seemed like it had wonderful Corners with such good radius Navarra was all right So many places I know I should your video and I watched like some of Jethro's But there were just lots of corners that were friendly to sliding at not 800 miles per hour. Yeah Jethro multiple sets of tires we were there together and he got I don't I didn't request multiple sets of tires I I if I really wanted to I maybe could have and in fact I Jethro was This was smart. I forgot to do this and he was when he finished his grip portion of his video and wanted to do skids He asked for super sports Which I was yeah, yeah, I did not Which although, you know, it turned out okay. I think was ultimately a Little easier it would have made it a little easier But but it with a thousand horsepower isn't it was not difficult But but what's it goes back to that like perfect steering ratio? Because whether you're trying to grip through that corner and the front motors are helping you or whether you're trying to slide the corner and The front motors are really not helping you It has the perfect ratio for doing that kind of stuff but you also get the dynamics of the McLaren because To go back, you know six whatever six years ago I did that show with Dio Sahara and he was drifting the 720 s on this track Yeah, and he and he comes in he goes you should try to slide that thing and I said absolutely not I've never slid a mening car. He goes. I'm telling you This is pretty easy dummy proof. Yeah, it was true So if you take that with the new technology as you said and then you also give it kind of the magic traction at the front Like an NSX has yeah Well now you've got all these system You know the front maybe you can pull you a little bit if it feels you understeer But then it helps you wag the back a little bit and I mean, you know Your skills should also be commended because you were like sending it in there. I was why Dude was so high pressure. It's me. Yeah, and Jeff did it was Jeff rose video for EVO or top gear It's top whoever whichever it was the other guy who was there his video was for the other one They were the entire British English I know you can't just be in a track with me in three English like Super pros and have me not at least put up a good fucking effort. Yeah, I had to do it. Yeah pressure was extremely high Yeah Guys taking a break from the action because support is coming in it fast like Jim Farley the CEO of Ford Who's now got a podcast and you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show and right now It's this the new season of drive with Jim Farley in it The Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed like Formula One Diver Daniel Ricardo listen There's a well-worn trope about racing drivers Not being interesting to listen to but if there is one that is Lynch is interesting to listen to it is Daniel Ricardo I think this guy's takes on stuff and life are great and look Jim is a racing driver also I personally raced against him like two months ago and It for me a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEOdom when it comes to car companies So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on drive with Jim Farley Which you can get on your podcast app very easy to find drive with Jim Farley check it out I was great right up until the end If you're listening if you're not a patron the BTS video is no So yeah a couple angles great your you also undersold You know you came back and you're like I don't want to put you can tell why you don't put a video But the reason you told me like I didn't say anything cool afterwards Which you you know you're on the radio talking to safety and stuff like that was smart But you didn't say the amazing sound you made Yeah, yeah, and it's definitely worth going to patron You're a zoo you're punch in and I hope you didn't take a fuzz just like it was funny I would don't say anything. No, it's funny. No, and you can I'm sure Anybody can relate to the thoughts that happened in that happened really fast sure did really really fast I'm sicky tired, but those I don't know 1.5 seconds were Just about as scared as I've ever been in a car And it was great that it happened on like a second gear corner Because you came to a halt quickly. It was not a second gear corner. It wasn't top of third gear corner Okay. Yeah, I mean it's an eight-speed car, but it was a top of third gear corner and Yeah, I I I dumped the million dollar car into a gravel trap. I had to be towed out But the car the car was okay full P. Dude PPF is so good PPF is amazing the car was fine and It was back on track an hour later after they gave it a They had to take off the under trays to just like get all the grab I'm sure the wheels off to get the gravel out of it whatever, but like it was fine Hannah Elliot drove it on the next wave Couple people anyone you see anyone who drove the white one it might have been a little dusty certain places But yes, I'm not afraid to say that I did try to be a hero and it went a little bit wrong at the It dude, here's where it really went wrong. I Forgot I think I think I did say it in the video It's we we I think I say like this is I think I say one more lap or this is the last lap I say it out loud. Yeah, you're like I'll do one more. Yeah, that's you never say that you never say that but in your Not credit, but like look you didn't spin immediately after you said that because that's usually where the kind of karma shows up It was like five corners later. No, I was the second to last corner is where I spun It was two corners before my day was done. I had to to To try and nail one in a place. I really hadn't nailed one yet and that was that's a bad idea But but I felt really confident because I was doing a really good job So yeah, you can if you're a patron that video is up. I wish we never ever have BTS like why would we have behind-the-scenes footage like it like first off like I very rarely break stuff or crash stuff It doesn't it doesn't happen often And and it's just if we you if you have it usually it's worth putting in the video itself But we're also not we don't do like vlog stuff where we're rolling Between moments, you know that or it worked well Cameras get left on but then we're gone and they're just stuck looking at the sky or I'm looking at the inside of your suitcase, right? Yeah, but Anyway, I I didn't it wasn't pertinent to the to the review itself and and I don't think At I don't know how Aston would feel about it being on the public side of it But either way I was like finally Something I can give the patrons. That's like a real good meaty funny BTS moment. So there it is up on the patreon right now But is there anything else that I need to cover regarding the car like what else do we are there questions about the car in that in? Today's show or or they were not yet. Okay. Well if there are any in the live stream, but did I mean? Essentially like it it feels there was one question. Sure someone said Would you take this a conic set any conic seg or any Pagani? hmm And I will add although it might be more expensive t33 I Would have a t33 over all of it if that were a possibility I'll tell you what as a as a how many times have I said that I'm like an Aston Martin fan despite their like flaws and shit You know got an old one and we drive all of them and they're imperfect and you want to love them anyway And so like I you know you you can be You know an Aston Martin fan despite like despite Aston Martin sometimes but in this case I think it's it's such a car that I'm like I'm just such a fan of like whoever's badge was on this Like if this was the new McLaren, you know if this was the replacement for the seven series, I'd be like oh Okay, you know now we're fucking humming. You know what I mean? So like that's the get that's the realm that we're playing at now is that like elevation of that so I haven't driven a new conic saying in ten years. So Christian get at me. Yeah, let's see. Let's see what that's about But you know, but I I think I could get one of these serviced in Los Angeles. I'm not really sure Koenigsegg Pagani's are beautiful, but they don't the the the utopia didn't didn't Blow me away to drive although. It's fucking steampunk as hell fucking nasty looking thing really cool But this is a this is a real treat. I really enjoyed my time driving this like it wasn't just that it was fast It was like Remarkably pleasant all the time Getting in and out of it to make the video a zillion times like wasn't annoying other than that I had to like Throw all the camera gear because I couldn't put my case the case anywhere So I had to like it would be in you need a separate camera car or you have to throw This is a bit like kind of the GT3 RS of super-ish hypercars just because it's Comfortable usable ingress egress is easy Yeah, you know those things are usually like when you get into supercar realm Portion has always excelled at that because their normal car. Yeah, it's base is also easy it It's a good use of space but it has no storage But and if you leave it in sport plus which is the set which is everyone else's sport and the engine stays like it Sucks when the engine's going on and off like in your basic hybrid modes like nobody's but you got to do it So I get it So flick it to sport plus or individual mode and now the engine stays on and the fact that it's a hybrid is Pretty Invisible to its operation. It just is a car with great steering and a cool engine and a bunch of fucking power The brakes don't feel weird the blend you know the blend is very nice You wouldn't know on the street you're using regen like 95% of the time breaking you'd never know And it's just a it's just a For something that goes so fast and can do so much It's remarkably approachable and easy and pleasant to drive like all the time It's really looking good. I think it looks good The one we just the one we the photo that we just put some thumbnail was great that the green whatever victory green But the other one I drove which is the pearlescent white was fabulous, but you know the paint them I gotta say the way ever call you white looked good in all the shots. So like the white they use plus the shape of the car There's so many round shapes that bends light which you know for people like if you look at a white car that has flat sides Or tops in the daytime like it just disappears. Yeah, crap, especially in thumbnails, but this it looked really good still. Yeah Someone else asked What did Aston say to you after you spun? Oh? They just first thought they asked if I was alright sure as they do and they said is the car in the wall I said no, it's not And and then they said alright, you know, we'll be out and and then they came out with a tow strap and and some shovels and we had to dig dig a little bit and And they they they dry they towed it out. They didn't have to like crane You know crane it out or anything like that and And we laughed about it. I mean I was obviously very apologetic I mean, I you know, I I was Extreme I was vomiting and apologizing. No, I mean I mean look they they're so cool Like you knew you went on the launch for the vantage like they're really cool about stuff like this The car wasn't damaged. It was just dusty. Yeah They they knew I had to do to make it look good in the video and I and I it happened on a track It didn't happen on the road you know and and So they it was good fun, I mean it was nothing, you know, nothing was fucked So it was it was okay, and it was good fun and now they get to make fun of me Yeah, you know at the vantage launch a driver a youtuber that we both know who is a good driver Spun on the final like third fourth gear turn onto the front onto the straight Yeah, didn't hit anything. Yeah, but spun it then pulled into the pits It was like well whoops and went and ate lunch and then went back out for another session So I'm saying to Aston like they're cool They were cool if they trust you and you don't hit anything Yeah, and then they were like and then they were like, you know, are you done? Did you get all the footage? You need to get you know like I think if I needed more footage I probably could have waited for them to clean up the car and gone back out again. I mean They were very cool about it. I heard Not to start to start rumors, but I heard someone did crash one on a later wave Not like not somebody we know who I don't know where they were from like it's a lot of car Oh my god turn one. I mean that straightaway is big turn one You were like I could take this flat which blew my mind because I think you're going about 150 60 miles per hour at that point And then it comes into like a 25 mile per hour. It's like the corner. We talked about it brainered It's like that where you take this kink at an enormous speed, but the next corner So it's it's a great corner to slide because your weight is loaded so much on the nose that you just all you have to do Same reason the McLaren is so good at it when you can initiate a slide Underbreaking with the weight on the nose. It just makes your life so much easier like it just that's like just the right way Yeah, that pendulum. Yeah, and because if you try to make it on power, you're trying to recover control versus underbreaking You're much more under control But yeah that corners I Jethro. I think did take it take that corner flat at one point I didn't have the balls to do it. Yeah, he's raised never a green point. Oh, no, that's not right Jethro said he was at this track and took it flat in the Valkyrie. Oh Which is stickier Yeah, it's it's that first first kink there on the bottom left of the screen It's like I don't know what it would you call that a hundred and Fifty degree bend here. Yeah 150 No, it's like a 30 degree bend. Oh I guess if I was talking about like triangles. Yeah, yeah, 30. Yeah, I Mean you it's like a 30 and then it's into a oh I see what you're doing. Yeah, that's hard No, then it's like a 45 and then it's like a 170 right. Yeah, but this first thing is 3045 and then yeah one. Yeah, right. I mean look at the length of a straight. I don't know was it half mile? Maybe not I don't know But you you definitely are hitting the brakes that What did I see to did I see 270 kph? Yeah, I think I think so because when I zoomed in on the speedo Yeah, I was shocked. It was like 220 230 and you had so much straight away left. It was well before the finish line Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, probably it was I think It's it was so weird if you mean it's so it is so fast obviously it feels It stops feeling fast probably because of like the downforce and the aero stability above like a hundred and twenty Hundred and thirty miles an hour. It stops feeling fast But then the numbers just you just look at the numbers and they're going up I said in the video like for like, you know, the the front e-motors never disconnect They're they're making power to top speed Wow some other cars above a certain speed the front e-motor doesn't do shit So including I think the ZR1 X I think but um But this they keep going but it's for some reason it I mean, you know, we're talking about over a hundred and fifty It just sort of feels the same but the numbers are like We'll probably settle down down for us and then just you know, your brain kind of gets used to that stuff Yeah, it's crazy sweet car. I mean They're For back of that much money it better be sweet, but yeah, I've driven cars that cost more and aren't as good. Yes That thing is really something Sold the scooter on Yeah, two day when did I post that three days sold it yesterday so two days on Instagram shout out to a TST fan Brian from Los Angeles came down with that cash nice and Motorcycle movers sending it out to his house in East LA Tomorrow so it's a fabulous motorcycle. I will miss it But I think we're gonna go with the the blue on the new one The matte blue it's the it's the mind that I'm selling is a super and the one I'm getting is a super sport GTS 300 super sport 310 excuse me super sport Thought about this this lime green, but we're not gonna do that one Instead see the blue on the right top on the colors there. Oh, whoops. I know not that one. I mean, that's the dark blue That's a super tech which I can't buy on name alone. It's super sport and then the French a little lighter than like a Riviera ish blue Looks like the water we were just vacationing in Caribbean sea blue. Yeah, that's a good blue pretty cool Right, it's got black trim instead of the chrome trim. I don't hate it. No, I think well, I think it works It's a little lighter than a grabber blue for people. Yeah Yeah, but that'll be that'll be the new the new scoot. Yeah, not sure what it's coming in But do cool the shit very cool. I elected not to do the PTS Well, yeah, I don't know they had it you explained to me Yeah, which is it a couple G's it's a couple G's and they will they will PTS your scooter Yeah, that's a good blue. I know it's a I think I think going with the one of the one of the better colors that they That they have no right Greasio the blue is interesting because there are other colors and I'll put up people watching people listening. It's like You can have olive drab green. Yeah, Ray black and then white So it's pretty like Swedish. Yeah, it's like Swedish Volvo colors with a dash of tactical, but then you have this amazing Blue, you know, yeah, beautiful electric friend electric blue. That's just the outlier. It's there in general I don't love their color lineup right now Like even the the super tech which is like look the super is only available in red white black. Yeah, no, thank you The super tech what's what the super tech is only available in blue white Like navy blue blue which that's this is navy blue white and and this is the gray. Oh gray. I Mean, I don't hate those colors But I need some I need bright and then the yeah the regular GTS is available in the beige Which I don't hate but I also don't want I mean here looks more gray Maybe it looks better in person and then black and and this mint greens kind of night I mean, this is the color I kind of expect to see that is they don't have an orange There's no yellow, but I guess that's what PTS is for them that mint green is is not not terrible Yeah, I'll go like mint green No, the more I look at this blue I like better Yes, I do too because this is also the color of a lot of 1950s kitchen tile and Appliances match my my mid mod kitchen is you know, I much the color of really would My grandma's bathroom tile. Yeah It's it you got to be the right kind of stylish to rock this all the time Verde Annabelle Yeah, and with the chrome all I'm thinking how is refrigerator, you know, it's like what's the crook? What's the smeg it's like a smeg what is I think smeg is a turn It's a terribly named Refrigerator brand look it up, but it's like new old-looking It like new appliances that look exactly that yeah Vespa X smeg No, it's a very unfortunate name. Well, who named what first I think it was smeg an 80 year old company all the sudden alright All right, then that's Yeah Did you what did we learn about? Is our is our podcast gonna be available on video through Apple podcasts? I have not done the research yet, but I think the answer is yes, okay, so some we just saw that it's possible to get video the video version of the show of shows in general on Apple podcast yeah, so why not ours? Yeah, and we'll in that's nice Basically our our host company does have that function which is great because if we had to move companies I'd be so sad for yeah myself, but it looks like simple cast can handle it So I'll figure it out this week sweet. Yeah, that's gonna be and it should become available on Spotify also Yeah Not for video oh for video video on Spotify Oh, we've been we've got one I was gonna say that that could be problematic. No video on Spotify. Yeah Oh, I didn't really know video. I didn't know Spotify was doing video now They do I don't know how many people if you listen and use it let let us know in the comments because I'm always curious Like I don't use it on Spotify because of the data Usage and also like I'm just gonna listen to whatever it is. I don't need to watch people talk most of the time. Yeah It depends on the show of course some pull up a lot of visual assets, but I don't know YouTube I just am more familiar with yeah if you use Spotify video list now Okay, we can go to the people in Quickly just a moment. Yes help to our friends. Yes Are very good friends former bosses in many regards Sam Smith and Travis Akulski? Both of them worked at Road and Track for a long time then motor one Some of the best riders and drivers in this game are created an event for Goodwood revival called a damn fine way to 2026 Goodwood revival so it is Sort of a curated event you pay a price you stay at an estate with them You have meals with with the whole group and then they take you to good You're forced to have meals with them. You're not they're available But I will say these are some of the most entertaining people I have ever met and they also are super knowledgeable About the like old race cars, so they'll probably be great docents Yeah, so if you like me otters be like me otters But I mean Sam's also owned like you know formula fords and raised all this old shitty qualified Second place in a mini race in Goodwood revival like long ago next to one Chris Harris So if you're interested in this kind of thing Go to revival spark.com and there's information about it And then you can reach out to them for more info on like price and schedule and stuff It's not the cheapest thing in the world But it's a pretty rad thing and I think this is one of the greatest motorsports events on earth Yeah, so shout out to those guys. Oh, right revival spark calm nice And then yeah, I mean I guess if we're gonna talk about one car trip their entries are open for our road and track Pacific Northwest shift It comes with two Motorsport days PIR track day Portland International Raceway also a day at dirtfish rally school We're driving the Cascades. It's gonna be absolutely Spectacularly gorgeous go to experiences dot road and track calm if you would like to come drive with me You can bring any pretty much any car. It's gotta be it's gotta be a sporty car But but people ask, you know, can I bring my GTI? Can I bring my Miata? Of course kind of bring my classic car. Yes, you can someone always does a couple people usually do but yeah, everything is included and Two motorsport experiences at this one. That's good. Yeah PIR rally is the greatest thing ever dirtfish is the shit. Which one are they doing first, you know? The track is first that's good and then dirtfish because you know, there's so much sliding happening at dirtfish Oh, you wouldn't worry, you know people get excited. It's in the track. We're very high. Yeah For sure But it's gonna be super fun But I love the Pacific Northwest and it's gonna be a great place to fucking drive sports cars It's gonna be super fun. So come drive with me if you want this summer in in a couple weeks I'm going out to the desert one. It's gonna be great. We are driving the Dodge Charger six pack on that one Hell, yeah, it should be interesting. Hell. Yeah, brother. Yeah, brother We can go to the patrons. 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There's there's segments of this story that are garb You're right being in a bar all day is one, but it could be a sporting event True, you're there to first a five-hour event. It's like like March Madness. I think people were at the bar all day So, okay, but yes, that's garbage So Amazon same day if it's not really urgent is pretty garbage Yeah, there's a lot of we need more like clues like if you're at the bar and you go have a flight after this I need my air pods, right? Okay, but if it's like you're you're impulse shopping because you've had a few and you're like, you know, I do need air pods now Look new air pods and deodorant But that I actually think goes back to class that is urgent And I actually say it's classy because you know you have a problem and you need it solved now And you went I can fix this but it's very funny that while you're in there for deodorant. Let's be honest Yeah, that was the more pressing issue. You were like, let's add some air pods. Here's real class Knowing you have a problem and next time you're drinking at the bar You Pre-order pre-order deodorant to be delivered that day but days ahead of time I knew where you were headed you want like your own private bottle of deodorant at the bar that is gross That is something they should not keep for you behind the bar I got halfway through the thought and was like it is not a good idea, but I'm committing right now That's a team garbage event that means you and the bartender are both trash I Was thinking of the deodorant sort of like it was the fresco that I used to bring to the bar except I realized that they have Opposite implications and effects. Yeah, you wanted a beverage at the bar. They didn't offer But yeah willing to kind of bend this thing Hey, I smell every time I get here, but I'm not showering or deodorant in at home Problem needs to be solved elsewhere. Yeah besides the bar. That's a good point. Yeah garbage fully fucking fucking garbage Giganty Airlines says nobody talks about dub magazine anymore I think they had a big impact on car culture like Super Street magazine did thoughts did they I Mean they certainly had a cultural impact I think for the segment of people that But red dub magazine a lot I wasn't really into that magazine because it was more like Show cars and stereo wheels and stereos and stuff like that and I was more into sports cars But like respect we wouldn't have donks without dub magazine. Yeah, we wouldn't have had the iconic donk box and bubble magazine Very true. I think you know it any magazine that Was pointed at any part of car culture is a good idea Yeah, and this brought that part of car car culture to more eyeballs and probably I think there's probably more subtle crossover people realize like a Magazine basically focused on customizing and rims. Well now everyone who gets a sports car is like how should I pts my interior? Should I get custom inters? Which wheels am I getting? I think those those things have helped each other and also I'm looking at dub now and there's Charon reviews and you know I'm Cadillac v-series review like the still is this first cars are over there too. Yeah Accidental reverse entry says one question for each Zack you've gone through many iterations with your M3 at one point At what point do you think you'll be ready to go in the same type of journey with a different platform? I think like a year, but I Think I have to decide if I want to go You know four door e90 I talked about a lot. Do I just want a fast sedan and is that the best one for the money? I don't know off to start it's one of that looking around. It's one of them. Yeah, yeah Everyone in my neighborhood right now You know my neighborhood is like full of two kinds of people like old retired people and then like people kind of like Me and Hannah and everyone that's like about the same age or whatever as me and Hannah is kind of like on My first Porsche right now and so my neighborhood in the last two years is like so full of 997 s's and 996 c4 s's and Literally like my whole block is filled up with these exact like two cars. I could see you going down that train I could see you in a 997 s within 18 months, I think I've talked about it like Cayman s is more attractive to me or GTS, I think it's more expensive though than I'd want to spend sure so but that is it an attractive idea Yeah, you know Zach's first Porsche. Yeah And Matt you've expressed interest in having another air-cooled Porsche in the future. What direction would you take it? I? Would What direction would I take it? I? mean I'd really like to have just like The this the Safari car was so cool But the problem is I didn't like really do much with it like I didn't it was a car for a thing I didn't really do right which that's fine, but like let's not do that again, so it would it would be the just it would be a nice I Mean I've I honestly like I've driven some stock ones where I'm like yeah, this is good It does not need to be like a build I would want it to be something that was like very easy to drive with light controls and and that kind of stuff I haven't oh, I it could also just be the kind of thing you see and fall in love with but like I don't I don't want to get into a into a $100,000 Porsche build again like anytime soon because like I just I think I Think a lot of what's really nice about those air-cooled cars is their usability So I what I would I think really like to have is like maybe just another five-speed G50 you know Carrera sort of like the car I started with but with like Some more miles Low hundreds it's had the major service done the hundred K major service, you know and then Just drive that a lot, you know take it take it on vintage events and just drive that a lot and be like Ah the miles are fucking whatever the and just sort of like leave it and drive it instead of like making it a big project I think that would be fun Not like there's no such thing as a like just something like that you didn't that I didn't have to like think about all that OEM plus but well used so you don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah, not not collector grade You know, maybe somebody else did a did a 3.4 kit or something in it You know, maybe like one of Marco's clients wants out of a good car that Marco's looked after for 20 years I mean that that kind of thing like it would be like, you know fad going Hey, like nudge nudge this this thing is the shit and it's been like, you know, the guy died or whatever You know, whatever it is like something like like kind of like that where like hey, there's great value and fucking Please don't start sending me cars. I'm talking about this is from like two people that I know, you know We're like there's this is this this is the specific thing and there's a ton of value in this and you know You could you know not have to do much with it for a couple years of the drive that sort of thing Harlequin e63 AMG, how do you mitigate mitigate? How do you mitigate gas fumes smells for the older cars at WCCS? Does that present a problem for some of the cars in storage outside of running an exhaust fan in my garage? My old Mini Cooper just kind of smells from the carbs and fuel tank There's not a fancy way to do this you run fans Are at WCCS. We have an exhaust fan that runs at a very low speed all the time And then filtered air comes in from the outside and it goes out so at WCCS. It's not a problem The fan is never off. It's only on very low or like, you know There's three or four different speeds based on how many cars were running at once at home. I Feel you when my Ferrari was there. It could smelled a little fumee the Manx Although it's a brand new car the the actual like Seal on the fuel tank, you know, which is up front is like not that good of a seal So it's not like fuel comes out but like, you know over a couple days if it's hot, you know, it does smell It'll smell a little fumee, but at my garage. I have an automatic exhaust fan, too. Yeah, so I think it's just you need ventilation Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean if you can get an exhaust fan That's like small ours is like super small solar powered and activated by like temperature So when it's warm it turns on and and like once a year I have to get up on a ladder and like vacuum the dust out of it and that's that's pretty much it But it's it's a very Basic-ass solution. So that's kind of what I recommend, you know, or just like walk in there with a lit candle once in a while You know, see what happens Wheat City Night Court it's been 16 years since the Clarkson era of top gear came to an end fucking where does it go? Obviously it was hugely influential influential on Gen X and Millennials. What is the equivalent touchstone for younger generations? And how do you think those new heroes perceptions of automobiles will drive Gen Z's enjoyment of cars? I mean, there's fucking youtubers Yeah, and like they kept doing the grand tour for like 12 more years after this So it's not like those guys went away. No, I think I think youtubers the Important point is I think there are more heroes now. It's just everything's fragmented and There's people that are big fans of car youtubers that you and I have never heard of because they're 20 years younger than us Or they're just not that the hour or whatever like and they do this thing like mighty car mods There are people that probably don't watch, you know driving videos, but love mighty car mods Those guys have been at that game very successfully for like 15 years, right? Like there used to be this one show that did news that did car reviews that did, you know Stunts and stunts and they did like road trips, right? And now there's like four different channels each of which says that does the segment exactly and so like they're watching like Whistlin diesel for stunts and they're watching, you know Harry Metcalf for road trips and they're watching This show for news and they're watching, you know, what a Chris Harris for drifting drifting it Harris does the Clarkson track driving sure. Yeah, and so that that collectively is how people get to to a top gear You know, that's how fucking good top gear was is they did all of those things in one But like it's also a testament to like like almost all of those other things I just mentioned like did pretty decent top gear inspired Films for like fucking no money Mm-hmm, I mean, you know like they're they're all very like very low budget and basic and often just one or two very talented people, you know applying their craft and an approximating Sort of what top gear had to spend an awful lot of money to do I just saw a random reel popped up on my wife's phone and this the short version this guy Walks around the neighborhood and goes hey, can I paint your car for free and everyone says no And it's like New Tesla says no this just I mean, yeah, it's like six people and some guy who as soon as he starts talking He goes, oh That would be awesome. He's like seven. Oh, and this guy is down Of course, he's got like a 62 Ford pickup that looks like shit and it's rusted to fuck and this guy who is clearly He's like a 28 year old amazing painter pinstripes skills painting skills But he has to have a body shop weld panels on and you know you you get the glow up He repaints this guy's truck and basically restores the thing and he just does it for free and he's doing what overhauling Did with a production crew of 10 or a working crew of 10 plus production plus Half million dollar budgets and it's just wild that shows like overhauling and the show with Mike Brewer and aunt like those are now Independent YouTube channels This is making money. I have no idea. I didn't look into that part. I mean either he has sponsors or he just You know rev share is big enough probably a little bit of both Well like there's this guy how do you gonna make money a rev share to do body work There's a guy named uncle John who is like a construction Influencer and he just goes around I love I love it. You just said construction That's a crazy world repair but he's the world that we all these videos are like I made a fence for my neighbor for free She's older You know did it and he used to be a contractor and now he does this and he'll have a sponsored post by whatever sure and that Pays for the fence, but it's like yeah, you're going to help people and you know look I people I'm not and I'm not so cynical to think that people won't just do something to be nice That the mowing guy whoever the mowing you know I'm talking about mm-hmm I want to say it's like SB mowing. Okay, I think is the dude. Oh he goes to people's Citizens yeah, and he says can I like it's a wonderful thing and like it looks like it takes him a day to a couple of days To do like and like respect dude respect but is And I'm not trying to be cynical But like there I could see the rev share, you know paying off of that sure because your overhead is very low But if you're like using a pay a paint booth and like doing body work and stuff like that It just costs more to do time more money more people more help more fucking whatever like so I just I'm interested in the math of that No, as was I I watched it was there and I thought now Maybe this project got away from him and was larger than expected normally He just sprays cars sure Tesla, but he's like oh god I'm well he like he had to hire people to cut metal So he might have been a loss on that one But you're like this dude does the job that overhauling did belong YouTube. I'm like well It was expensive yeah overhauling and not just because of the camera That's right. Yeah, they got all these people so I think to go back. There's just there's content for any kind of interest in cars Yeah Prayer of the refugee wagon on Montana tags says Recently purchased the 2026 Bronco Badlands and people have been stopping me in my tracks to talk about it It's a nice car and all but it seems to have gained a fair bit of attention from people In my small and sometimes sheltered little town Have you ever gotten a lot of attention while driving what you'd consider to be a fairly normal car? Dude when the Bronco came out Everybody want to talk about the farm Bronco? Everybody one of the I'm surprised it's still going on. I mean like Now like there's Broncos like everywhere But man people love those things and I get it you you Broncos like a Wrangler You have to you have to be an enthusiast to have one, you know, it's it's a little compromised as a road car So like it's enthusiasm. You're saying something about yourself by driving one But I don't know if it's a normal car. Yeah, it's such a like you said it's got it's got the off-road audience is into it Yeah, that's a pretty large pot Have I ever we ever gotten a lot of attention driving what you would consider to be a fairly normal car? That's an interesting question And I'm sure we have because we've driven cars either right when they first come out or or ahead of when they come out I've been very surprised every time I drive an Audi RS3 then the new Audi RS3 people know and it's always like a facelift Or whatever like people notice that shit right away, which I'm very surprised by They're really into a new RS3 It's tough because we don't test a lot of normal cars Yeah, but like even back in the day like we did like Think of all the cars we've owned that You know got attention I gotta go back a long way in the database here, but and it turned out to be a fairly normal car But when we had when we had the first Raptor Oh, yeah, people were really Really into that When I had the Shelby GT350R I mean, I don't you do that's not normal, but like, you know, it's a Mustang People knew what that shit was right away. Yeah Hmm I feel like I mean if you drove a Tesla early on people were like, oh Yeah, is that the thing? Um, I reviewed a Tesla Roadster when it was new and people didn't really give much of a shit No, I think like the s was probably probably when you had the when you have a very early one But that's that's man lucid. No one really cared about It's just like I think most people go, huh? And that's it, you know like nobody asked us if we're anything about the sapphire Uh Huh. Oh, well, I mean Again, it turned out to be a normal car, but I got pulled over In a in a Dodge Challenger srt prototype in 2009 Doing 90 and a 30 and I got out of it because it was the new challenger Like and the cop was so so into it that I I could have done anything south of killing somebody And all this fucking guy wanted to do was check out the car I mean imagine this is oh nine imagine you have never seen a Dodge Challenger right now And now you're a cop. Yeah, and this fucking asshole with sideburns 90 and a 30 in the first one you've ever seen So wow, he took his chance. So that's the wrong kind of attention Uh When Nissan r32s first became legal you could drive a great, you know a gray r32 around and people would like lose their mind I do Don't be alarmed where Nino's sound drops Uh, I'm in Utah and I want an all-wheel drive overlanding van for around 15 k I need the ability to do over 80 miles an hour which rules out vw sink rows and delica l 300s My heart says delica l 400 My head says chevy express all-wheel drive and the wallet says sienna do you have a recommendation? So correct if i'm wrong But I believe that a delica l 400 is A true four-wheel drive vehicle like a four by four with a transfer case I drove and that's the newer delica Than mine the rounded one. Yeah. I think that's like an actual off-road vehicle. Whereas a sienna isn't Sienna is like is got like camry all-wheel drive like hall decks like that's not for Overlanding it's for like a snowy day. Yeah, I agree and but they The deli if you want a real overlanding van I think you have to this person has to be really honest about the terrain they're on like you can make a sienna work Pretty well with thoughtful driving But if you're going up steep stuff and you know the van's gonna be loaded a lot You're putting a lot of stress on the half shafts and the system then yeah, maybe something a little bit stouter would be smart If you have someone who can work on an l 400 they are dope They're fucking off when I I tried to convince hannah to get one of these because it was so much more powerful and drove So much nicer than ours, but she likes the look of ours. That's the whole thing is the shape So she didn't really care for it, but I think this is a true. Yeah Four by four vehicle whereas the sienna is not A chevy express van is a real piece of shit. I mean, I'm sorry to say it like yeah, it's based on a truck frame But like that's a piece of shit. It's like they're uh e 350 conaline, right? It's like a 35 year old product. They're still making I mean the I think the pro of that is It's not as much a cab over right as the l 400 so it might be slightly more comfortable and also You get parts anywhere that's the other thing. It's a Chevrolet right so that is a benefit. Yeah, um, but it's very uninteresting I don't know. I'm terrible. You're a drive one Misery I can hear it though. Yeah Yeah, uh, she only wants me for my turn in Oh Last week I asked about hobie. Oh, oh that's sorry. I don't I don't know about the adventure sailing kayak I I didn't I have not seen that before so I don't have it looks it sounds interesting, but I don't have an opinion on sorry Uh, listen and sometimes watch Uh manual amg Uh swaps seem to be getting more popular. Is there a driving experience value in swapping a c 63? Uh consider a decent example to be about 25 k in the swap to be about 10 I'd like to try one Every manual swap Mercedes amg I've ever driven has gotten notably better Right. I mean that has that s l was lovely dude a manual c 63 would be sick. I drove One I mean the engine's amazing. They look good. They're still comfortable and then it shifts and you go Yeah, and putting a normal Just it would just bring it up to like an eight tenths car doesn't even a 10 tenths car, but That needs one. That's a great car. We have a clk black series at our south bay store that is a manual swap and it is a fucking nice very hot so There's more value in manual swapping a better car Because if you're if it's 10k to manual swap a cheap car and 10k to manual swap an expensive one Like it's less of a percentage increase in your expensive one So like, you know, if it's 25 k for a car and 10 k that's like it's like 45 whatever 40 45 percent Of the the car to swap it versus if you got one that was twice that it would be you know 20 percent of the car So, um, it is a math problem But every manual swap Mercedes I've ever driven was better than stock by like a pretty solid margin. So Take that the ghost of walworths The good both the brand and the and fw. Woolworth Uh, pre-owned lucid airs are available from the mid 30s directly from lucid is now a good time to buy and enjoy until the warranty is up Maybe maybe I think are for $30,000 isn't it? Fenske bought one and he has a video and he's got a video that Explained some of the issues he's had with it, right? So he bought one new I think right Didn't he lease it and that's why he hasn't gotten rid of it yet. I think he leased it new for a couple years And it was a very cheap lease Let's see. Well, there's an article from january that says lucid responds to scathing air criticism. Well, yeah That jason. Yeah, so he has he had a 2025 lucid air touring. So I mean Look, there's a price at which the headaches are worth it. Sure I think the question with that like because the cars are amazing handle great I think they look great very comfortable when the tech works inside Uh, the only thing I would worry about is it how many problems is it going to have are they covered and do they have Loaners to give you and how how close is the service center? Like true, you know, I mean if jason's have a lot of issues with a new one or the older ones better Probably not. I don't think so. I mean speculation don't sue me lucid, but probably not So you need to just be ready for having issues like owning an alpha, you know, you want to be near a service center Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel says I'm turning 30 this year But I don't feel like it But the other weekend I found myself going full uncle mode and sitting in the garage the door open in a lawn chair With my dog and a beer just looking at my car in the driveway What's something you've done that makes you realize you're as old as your age? I mean a lot of things Yeah Naps most things I do now are like 10 to 15 years older than my actual age Like most things I've like all I've had I had back surgery in my 20s True I had old shit, dude. Yeah, I had a I had a c5 corvette 18 like that's some old Old man. She just loved reading the news and getting cranky in the morning balances the whole time Yeah, you've been a comfy shoe man. Yeah, it's the beginning. Um, shit, uh, what is what are some things? I mean Uh napping for me napping is when I can squeeze it in and at 2 p.m. I'm just like oh I'm just asleep and then awake and then productive. Yeah enjoying a nap Fuck uh real realizing like How hung over I get when I drink I get crazy hung over now Whereas I pretty much did not get hung over when I was younger I think getting rid of alcohol for the most part has been very helpful and and uh, I think the funniest one is Realizing that New Year's Eve is just an evening of expensive disappointments and you just stop caring. Yeah, it is it is a night The marketing for new year's eve has been fantastic. They're like, this is gonna be the best shit ever You know how much sex you're gonna have you know where everyone's gonna be out Everyone's gonna be out everyone's gonna be where you're not very few things happen Some of my least memorable nights are spending lots of money getting very drunk on New Year's Eve for Halloween wins all the time New Year's Eve is a bad night. Yeah for going out. Yeah, I'm with you on that Uh, what else to that's a good question. I'm sure there's like I mean the list of physical things could be endless The list of physical things are certainly endless but also like buying like I used to always buy as a policy By the biggest engine of any car that I was gonna buy Like just because I knew I would be like upset if there was if I saw The bigger engine out there the AMG business plan down their own, you know And now I I do not think like that anymore I kind of buy the like with the tycon like we didn't write the I got the slowest one Like that evs. I think I've really shifted that but also uh With maturity like making decisions about what I really need out of stuff And I'd say having a having a daily that is just a whatever car And being like I don't need to advertise my aggressive car personality seven days a week like when you're younger I'm like I'm gonna drive the fast loud thing every day. So everyone knows who the fuck I am Right and what I'm about and now you're like I do that in the weekend. Sure comfort getting comfort seats I mean imagine telling 25 year old me that I was gonna get a Porsche spider with comfort seats But the fuck is wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah that that for sure BM trouble you Uh, what is something you were able to do early on in your video career that you couldn't do now Either doing two ever changing skill sets or circumstances something You can look back on and say I wish we could still do this Besides using copyrighted music uh earn money making videos When cpms were amazing and the views were like 500 000 views. Yeah. Wow. Yeah again There was a time that I could that we could support You know a small uh a small crew of people to make these videos. That's that's the main one Can't do that now I I hear something we're able to do have someone subscribe to our videos and then have the videos go to them Yeah, I mean I know that's not the question That's not the question you're asking but like those are the those are the actual answers to those questions I really liked driving fan cars. I did it less than you but it also connects to the previous question because after a certain amount of Time I went this is kind of risky for a lot of reasons. I mean that I matured out of that But that was fun. I look back on those times for like very fondly for the most part actually Um, but at a certain point I like ran out of both things to say and cars Um, and it was risky But uh things I used to do Yeah, I mean uh Huh Used to do a lot of burnouts don't do so many burnouts anymore used to speed Used to do a lot of speed to do a lot of uh, uh, you know rapid transit back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot more highway speeding honestly Yeah That one is like when you once you do a couple of like real races I mean amateur shit, but like races where you're in a caged car Racing other people that know they're racing you the idea of speeding on the highway becomes like almost instantly Very very dumb. Yep. Yeah I by the way, I talked to tato because you went over and used the the sim couple of a couple hours of sim training with you and uh Good bad. I was better in the beginning and I think I ran out at glucose and forgot about that. I was there for like three and a half I was staring at a screen for three and a half hours sucks uh tato was a great instructor and um There were so many funny moments where he's like Okay, use all of that concrete on that turn and then he would go now in the real world There's a concrete block there and if you hit it you could probably break a wheel and it's gonna be really bad So don't do it nice and I say all right So should I I probably practice within the bounds then of reality and he goes no no here use it Because we're trying to get down to 232. I'm like, but if we're in but if we're there, I can't do it. Yeah But I mean that's just I'm he's great instructor. He's super fast and uh I did not get where I want to be faster here. You can go faster here in this right Yeah, and then just remember for something real doesn't matter here Yeah, you get a lower number on the screen. I mean dude his knowledge though of that track Like and in the virtual world He's like, okay, there's a bump here and that's your turn in and I watch and he had to do like one frame at a time Moving it forward and he goes you see that dip I've played a lot of video games. I can spot bad guys really far away This was two pixels of movement of a dashboard matt fairy was like that that and he goes see that bump I'm like, I barely see that bump. Did you like that's your turn in marker? So that's and and it speaks though. There's no feel in sims because in the car you're gonna feel the bump sure and then you're turning That's the thing with the sim like I I like I respect that he by the way I saw him later because I went to their formula one party for a minute and he I was like how did Zach do and he was like Great, he's gonna be awesome. I was like, okay complimentary. He is but like, okay fine But he didn't say like I'm concerned Um, that's good. I mean it's funny his his dad, you know walks in Um Sir, Joanie's like, how's it going and I could tell his eyes are like We put this guy in a car. Yeah, and Tata was like no his his brake traces, right? Like we're just working on the turning points like I'm not doing anything that makes him go You do not know how to control a car. What are these terrible ideas you have? It's just remembering all of the brake markers for every turn Some turns you turn in early some you turn in late I'm just I need to memorize those things for road america because I sure have never raced there before Yeah, but also like so many of those also are like become apparent once you do it Once you do it the right way in once in the car Then you go, okay. Yeah, yeah, and then you don't have to you know, I mean it's so much harder to learn That kind of stuff in a when you can't feel Yeah, you know, yeah, that's true like you want to the point of the sim is to like get past Right left right left and then after that you kind of just like Get the subtleties of it, but you kind of wait till you're in the real car. It's just like no Yeah, and that it was fun though. It is fun. It's helpful. Very helpful So I'm gonna do some some time here and go back up there when he's back in town but uh, and then we watched a video of him racing Super Traffaio and passing like 18 cars and seven laps or some crazy number like he started from 39th and finished Fourth in class and like 16th overall. Yeah Just bananas to why and there's there's a lot more contact in that series in super traffaio Yeah, there's some rubbing racing happening little nudges that people are doing to him as he powers through but man That dude's impressive. Yeah, he's very very fast um, let's see uh Find me the squiggles said um I've read before that for the majority of people your favorite era of music is from late middle school early high school years Mine would be 84 85 86 which tracks. What is yours? And does that translate to other things like movies and cars all of the above dude All the above and for me late middle school would be into high school is 1994 through 2000 So like yep, that's pretty much in line. I think my music magnet was like age 12 To 22 and like I just really listen to that shit all the time like I bled into college I was in a lot of college music a lot of hip hop, you know why because you and I We got downloadable music. So the so I would say that that for music specifically We were we went from CDs to napster to lime wire to iTunes all during college. Yeah And like the year after college So like because of that because like it became so easy to share music for us During college and never before I did learn a lot new music in college. It's a good call I always had to like this radio or you'd buy the album right money. It was finite right. We were like it was crazy like I My first like school computer class Was on like an apple too And it was like kaka kaka kaka kaka kaka soft floppies. Yeah, and then I I got to the my first Wi-Fi Was and my frat house sophomore year of college Ooh, we we had a land at our house And then I think when they moved to a bigger house, I didn't move in there. We had Wi-Fi was my apartment Senior no that we ran that apartment because it specifically was like a new building that had cat five cables Like in each in each room. Oh, no So we did that. I may not have had Wi-Fi was not for a few years. No, I did not have Wi-Fi No, I had but I had like I had fast my college internet was like fast, but I think it was plug-in. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, anyway But that that does but I also tracks with movies and cars for me. Yeah, you saw this I my taste is a lot of things in that era. Yeah Run gmc. What was the last notable concept car revealed at a car show? Well, I think what was it last year that toyota is uh Was the toyota gt the new gt thing. Yeah, I think that's pretty notable like that got a lot of press and was a pretty rad important thing. Yeah, um I don't follow the vision the bmw No, yeah class concept from last year, which is now the i3 dude I'm not gonna get invited to a bmw launch, but I haven't been in a real long time anyway So whatever like there is an mk a link in mkz parked on my block right now And I drove past it and I was like i'm not wrong the headlights on the new new class It looks like the mkz. It looks so much like the mkz. It is it's a choice Uh gym kana is Safariing dead or will lifted long travel sports cars be remanded as a moment in time or a stalwart niche market with brands producing updated Storato's Dakar's etc I mean, dude, I think people now that people do understand that a lifted that a rally car is a cool thing and that there's a market for Rally type cars for people. I think it will Remain an option and both the aftermarket in from some manufacturers That both the storato and the Dakar were enormous successes. Thank you like The raptor brand is an enormous success and there's rumors of possibly a raptor mustang. Yeah of some kind I'm you know, I'm very surprised the mucky rally wasn't called raptor even if it Did something different? I think that would have been a good extension of that brand honestly I think their base would have hated that Yeah, maybe they would have been real upset But um, I mean, I don't I don't have any indicating an indicator that it's dead as a As a trend. I mean ice race You know, there are a lot a lot of lot of Dakars and safari type cars Uh granny shifting not double clutching like you should What are your thoughts on car clubs that don't charge memberships versus those that charge huge amounts? for example Oh I don't know. Well, okay. I don't want to for example car club a versus Well, I don't know what these two car clubs are. I know one is Porsche Club of America But I don't know what the other one is but Um, would you ever pay $5,000 to be a member of a car club if you weren't automotive journalists? I mean, here's the thing like what are you getting out of this club? Are do you are you getting something for your $5,000 like if you're paying $5,000? Presumably for a year or something like I would hope you're getting at least like monthly events with like maybe catering or an entertainment Special access to stuff like if you're getting that like okay And if you're if you're join a club that Is supported by a manufacturer now? I don't I don't know how much PCA is supported directly by a manufacturer Then like maybe they don't need to charge because they get funding from the manufacturer and they get to do shit And you don't have to pay and it drives business and cycle cycle right so like I don't know Um, or maybe there's a club that just like has a newsletter and nothing else and it costs two dollars a month or whatever so It's I think there's a club for every budget probably. Yeah, and it depends on your budget. So like do you want to stretch to join this club? Because it's cool or does it give you all these things you said? I remember a few a year or two ago. There was like a car show around the corner and they wanted to charge 50 bucks a ticket Uh and the to enter your car was also like more expensive And it was like and we kind of laughed at it because there's so many free car events in LA It was kind of a bold thing. Yeah did that provide something special to its members or you know participants? I don't know but that's what you have to think about I mean look I can tell you the demand is there for clubs when people email us asking about storage They do frequently ask like what is the social element? Are you doing events of this so that people do want to make real life connections based on car culture? um Because I have this other job and I'm running we don't really do it so much at w ccs But other people do and and if I wasn't an automotive journalist I'd probably be you know a member of like Excuse me like the motoring club for instance, which is you know something like 100 bucks a month and they do some events and they have a cool space and like Yeah, like that's a kind of thing where I would go to be a social member of a of a club if I wasn't doing this but um, I think because zack and I Because of what we do just so much car culture just lands at our feet like why would we you know? Like why would you join a club? But um Yeah, I would just say that like it if I don't know what the clubs are the what they offer the ones you mentioned But five g's a year for a quote for a car club is like that's a lot. It's a lot of money I mean that's like dipping into the country club model. I think yeah, like that's a country club in the midwest like that And that might be kind of like we talked about with uh 1199 foundation when you get to the top of it it means you get access to like The meetings with the chp heads so that you can really rub shoulders and probably like if you're running for office Like so five grand is it getting you in the room with people that you want to be in the room with and right? Yeah net wiki guitars and bids Suppose mike micrity feels weighed down by his material possessions and puts everything up for sale for charity before retiring on an Oshrom that's great. What's my cap on bidding for his actual strat? Dude, I cannot afford it. I was gonna say yeah can't afford it Don't want it if I don't want it if I could I mean that band is one of the most famous bands in the world And there are a lot of extremely wealthy people that would be bidding on it would be it would be deep six figures If not seven probably seven. I think there's enough rich pearl jim I mean it would it would go to like one of those like that jim ursay collection Or henry hendrix guitar collection or something like that. Well the jim ursay was the the coltz owner Okay, he died and they've just auctioned off like all they just had the auction So the he had david gilmore's black strat. That's the that's now the most expensive guitar ever sold at auction He also had jerry garcya's wolf So that's now the second most and then I believe the third most is the kurt cobain Unplugged guitar how much did the jerry garcya guitar 12 million? Yeah, so well dude think about no, I know rich deadheads Sure and and and the guy who bought it Is that particular? I happen to read an article about it the guy who bought that guitar runs a Effectively guitar museum and it's going to display it so it can be I think I think mics would go for at least four million then I think it would be it would be millions for sure. Yeah That's not to say like I wouldn't love a piece of of mccready or you know pearl jam memorabilia I would something about like Mentally there's something different for me about a movie prop A prop it's like it's a thing to be filmed and then it's just this thing that's like it's almost junk But it's immortalized on film whereas if you have a musicians actual instrument Without the musician sure to play it sure You know I I can't pick up mccready strat and make it sound like mccready It's got they might have the right tone, but like I can't do it and it wouldn't make me feel good to try You know I like having my my replica Which I didn't mention when we talked about it, you know, it's it is a replica of his guitar It's signed by him on the back like it is actually like it's he it's his you know addition So it is proper signed by him on the back on the headstock with a paint marker, which is pretty cool But like Replicating the tone on or I feel like I deserve a replica. I don't even if I had the money I don't deserve the real thing. Yeah, I get why a collector would want to collect The Kurt Cobain unplugged guitar or mccready strat or any any iconic the same way you'd want to own He also owned in the ursae collection Uh, hunter s. Thompson's red shark the the car the red car from fear and loathing He owned that and that that I think sold as well, but um, so like he had a bunch of crazy shit I mean really had some some for a billionaire this dude was doing it Like he was he was buying some good stuff. Yeah, so I I get it, but I don't think I deserve a musicians guitar I'd rather have like if it's like a professionals thing, right? I'd rather have like what could I do? Like a little bit of justice too is like, I don't know somebody's Somebody's rally car at least I could slide it around or do do something. You know what I mean? Because the other thing is on you know movie prop Ingesting the content is watching it right it's visual, but with music it's It's hearing that musician play it when you go to the you go to the shows or to think is A great thing to do is a fan versus buying some stuff like it's a swag But you go there and you you could close your eyes and like listen and that's most of it That's like for me like 90 percent of watching them perform Um, and so you can't do that when you put it on the wall. Yeah It's almost sad that it won't be played anymore, right? Um, yeah, you gotta it's that's the thing it's you gotta with a movie prop It's uh, it's it doesn't need to like to to live in a way, you know I will say the guy who bought garcía's guitar The reason I read the story is because the very next day He took it to a chris, uh, I think it was chris stapleton And let and let chris stapleton play it for a set sure and he was like well What else would you do with it other than like let people play it that are worthy of worthy of playing it? Which is pretty cool. That's why I read the story about it in the first place. Yeah pretty rad Uh, the money or the hammer you can't have both Allegedly portia wants to go higher end than the 9 11. What does that look like to you? The 9 18 replacement it looks like a carbon tub hypercar that's you know, someone somewhere between one and three million dollars and and takes the 9 18 technology uh to the next level In my opinion, I mean that's that's the only one of those cars from that era that doesn't have a successor and like Why is that that makes no sense true? But if portia is wanting to go higher end Uh, and and also simultaneously Pivoting from evs back to hybrids. Well a hybrid You know hypercar might might reduce those waters. Yeah Um, and also if they're having trouble Losing money, uh, we've just discussed this a great way to get a bunch of money Is to build a low volume car for all the billionaires that will trip over themselves to make it And you can make like 500 cars instead of 50 000 cars and like print a couple hundred million It is surprising because the business case is clearly there. Yeah, like all their competitors are doing it every week and they haven't Yeah, uh Kellogg's rice crispy tune uh one uh one or two more and uh, then we'll uh, then we'll save the rest for next time Kellogg's rice crispy tune says when you have a car that you're researching or thinking about buying and all of a sudden You start seeing it everywhere I'm currently experiencing this. I'm shopping or looking for a cross-trek and all of a sudden I'm seeing them everywhere Uh, what would you call that? I mean, um recency bias. Yes. I think it's probably the most accurate term. I don't know all of my biases There's like so many biases and I don't always get the terms right for them I try but there's a lot and I'm stupid But I'm pretty sure recency bias. It's right. It's top of mind because you're researching it and people over emphasize recent events data or experiences So you're going oh man. These are everywhere now. It's like no not now. They've been there But you've been researching you've been looking at the shape on the screen. You've been looking at wheel designs You've been looking at colors. You've been looking at blah blah blah And now you're just noticing the more in public. It's probably the same amount as we're there last week. Yeah. Yeah Last one donnie's bikini bot shout out to him Shout out to the upscale bots that he paid more for to follow me Nice. Hey, you're following uh accounts increasing We should uh, I wonder I wonder what'll happen if I turn off the uh, you have to follow to comment if it looks come back If they're gone forever. Hmm. We'll see you another month Let's see Uh with With in shitification constantly being present with any new technology being introduced What cars have truly gotten better in the sense of driving enthusiasm rather than increasing Measurable figures in the past five years Cars that have truly gotten better Uh in the last five years, okay I mean the last five years isn't a very long period of time sometimes not long enough for an entire life cycle Let's just stretch that to 10 stretches of 10 I mean models or or here's an easy one miata The nc versus the nd which came out 10 years ago the nd And then subsequent nd variants and what are we three now? We're at three now Those are all better. Yep The miata does not seem to get worse or at least hasn't in a very long time and the nd2 is better because the engine got bigger Uh, amira really good. Amira. Yeah, how about this one? Not for the people but the bentley gt last generation to this generation is better dynamically more enthusiastic And more a more focused driver's car Uh brz and all those the filling the torque hole was very helpful. Sure Mm Let's see enthusiasm, uh I mean look, it's It's not a great seller, but the but I think I think the nismo z has really good inputs I'm driving the first week in may. I'm driving the the new manual transmission nismo z I mean better late than never but i'm actually I think the the the last nismo z I thought was a great improvement off the regular z And had a really good inputs and was really nicely focused I oh um because I drove all the g.r. Corolla's back to back to back at sonoma They each year was progressively better the way they just they changed little bushings little mounts little hardware here and there There was absolutely a noticeable difference, especially from the 24 to the 25 like wow way better Cool. Uh, yeah, that'll do Oh here wait last one zen's and because it's an easy answer and then we'll and then we'll wrap it up zen says How much do light difference? Excuse me? How much difference will lighter wheels make on a daily car? I understand on sprung weight But I don't know if that matters on a daily used for spirited drives I'm getting ready to swap my 21 pound oems for a set of 15 pound JDM yo memes are those real is that a real name? Is that a goof? I'll look at a man I don't know. That's a correct, but uh, I mean the answer is uh is When you're on those spirited drives you will feel the difference when you're puttering around town You probably won't probably not it's I mean it's it's gonna be situational hot holes. Maybe like the wheel might not It'll spring back up out of the hole a little bit easier But I don't know if you would even notice I mean in general unless they're so light the structures compromise lighter wheels help you everywhere They help you brake better accelerate better. They're less resistant to turning so they help your turn in um, they they make everything better so Even and that you know, it's sort of like aerodynamics like those weight savings They do scale linearly like down to zero like you know how like like wing like downforce with wings increases linearly all the way up to your top speed right And also that that line goes all the way down to zero as well, right? But like you don't feel anything until you get to 80, but it's happening You just don't feel it Same thing with the unsprung weight like if you're driving down a highway in a straight line Like you're not going to feel much difference on your unsprung weight If you're puttering around to the grocery store like you're not going to feel a difference But like the second you start doing anything dynamic the more dynamic it gets the bigger the differences get yeah This is literally the last question. Oh it is. Okay, fine Guardian of dat ass guard Wait If you have a project car that is quote Regular traffic. I'm not sure I invested that term. I know what that term is but I'll maybe you'll figure it out Okay, but you're heavily invested it and like it a lot. Is it cool to bring to a car meet? I've been doing a diy restoration on the 90s Ford truck That i'm passionate about but not sure if it's cool enough to bring to a car meet It is cool enough to bring to a car meet. Yeah almost Any car that is that is your project or that you're working on or whatever Is cool enough to bring to a car meet? Yeah, and now you can find car meets that are more into the like 90s Like radwood would be the perfect home for this truck meet for me whatever But at any meet people always respect diy stuff and you're like, oh, I did that someone's gonna be big fan. Yeah So thank you very much Of course, don't forget we've got our project. It's a project. It's not really a project It's a 9 11 turbo and we're giving it away You can go to the website, which is dream giveaway.com slash Tst you can get tickets. No, it's not that remember. Oh, it's not. Oh, is it? This is dot com slash tickets slash Porsche No, we have our code in the description because it's got some extra characters that are important So basically go to the link down below go to the link in the show notes, but it's very straightforward to enter There is a charitable element to it. Zach and I have customized the car in an awesome way You get 75k in your pocket to pay the federal taxes. It's a very very nice mother fucking car So you can be able to take that home in august But get your entries in now for the 992 turbo s giveaway. Thank you to our patrons. We appreciate you very much if you want to see Me spinning an Aston Martin Valhalla into a ditch You're gonna want to check out video out on patreon right now and thanks very much. We'll see the rest of you guys next time. Bye