The Best Worst: The X-Files

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And so we want to figure out what was so good about the TV we loved. Maybe we were just better. Maybe we were just better people then. Yeah. I mean, what you deserve, I think. I really do stand by that. There was a study, I think, in the Washington Post that everyone thinks that everything was best when they were between 10 and 15 years old. Everyone will just always be like, oh yeah, people were most trustworthy. The music was best and it's always just whenever they were 10 to 15 years old. Which is when the X-Files were out. Each of the shows on this podcast must appear at here is the word I'm looking for to our set of rules. Each show must have at least 100 episodes. We are also excluding premieres or finales because those tend to have inflated ratings and we're looking to watch the television show at its absolute best, not at its most important or cliffhanger-y. Let's get to today's show. Meg, what is today's show? Today's show is the X-Files, which ran for nine seasons, 217 episodes from the years 1993 to 2002 and was brought back for a couple more seasons in 2016 and 2018. Those seasons, as far as I know, not good. Oh yeah. I don't think there's been a single time that anyone has brought back a beloved show and it's come back good. It just doesn't work, everyone's like, right now they're announcing they're going to bring Malcolm in the middle back and it's just, it's not going to be, you can't recapture the magic. You're never going to be 10 to 15 years old again. I think for shows that had a really long run and a really satisfying conclusion where the writers really gelled on a proper conclusion for these characters and then they'd come back with a shitty spin-off 15 years later. I find that insulting to everyone who worked on the original show. They worked so hard to come to a conclusion and leave it there. I understand for shows that were cancelled without a proper conclusion or were not given enough space to get the ratings that they needed to survive, but the shows that had this big, beautiful career and then they just come back and it really is pissing on the grave. Even arrested development was brought back, which was definitely cancelled too soon and when it was brought back, it was bad. It's just something about they lose the momentum of what they were working on. They lose the magic of that writing, so they can't recapture it. Let's talk about our own background with the show. Expectations, nostalgia. What do you got? I did not watch it when it was on. I was one of the four other people in this country who did not watch it when it was on. Yeah, so I was aware of it because of the monoculture, but I did not watch it when it was on. I had enough knowledge of it because of the monoculture. If someone made a joke about it, I understood it, but I did not. No, I don't think I had watched a full episode of X-Files until recording this podcast. I have two layers of nostalgia. The first is when it was on its first run and when it was first starting up in the early 90s. I mean, we were seven, eight years old. I was too young to watch it, but I had family friends who watched it. The whisper network of kids about X-Files was that it was the scariest show ever made. There was this real, this show is terrifying. I never watched it, but it was so built up in my head as this is the scariest thing ever made. The X-Files is terrifying. Then in the era of Netflix, getting Netflix discs in the mail, I started catching up on some shows I had missed. I fell off eventually, as most people do, because X-Files is one of those shows that gets pretty bad later on. I went through probably the first five or six seasons on Netflix by disc and really enjoyed it. I was excited about this one. As listeners might know, I'm very into paranormal and conspiracies and stuff like that. X-Files is not an influence on Welcome to Night Vale. I was very excited to get to this one. You're just staring at me, so I'm just going to keep going through. Should we get to the worst episode? Let's take that excitement that you have. I'm just staring at you because I'm trying to communicate that I'm ready to move on to the next segment, which is yes. Let's take that excitement and move right into the worst episode of this show, which is season three, episode 18. Tesso dos beachos. Tesso dos beachos. Which is the name of a place, although apparently beachos is also in several Spanish-speaking countries slaying for balls, which the writer did not know. The name of this thing is two balls in a lot of countries. Which adorable. You want to give us a brief summary? There's an archeological dig in the Ecuadorian Highlands, which is where we begin. There's two archeologists there, Dr. Bilack and Dr. Roosevelt. They get into an argument about the removal of an urn that contains an amaru, which is a female shaman. And then Roosevelt's like, we have to take it because they're about to do some sort of mining of that area. So it's just going to get fucked anyway. And Bilack's like, or we could just leave it for the people that live here that would know what to do with it, who are indigenous to this area. But Roosevelt doesn't want to have that. And then we see Roosevelt get murked by a giant cat. Then we find ourselves in Boston. So they've moved the burial urn to Boston, which of course, why not? Take it to one of America's bottom five cities. Yeah. I like to think of it as America's Dublin. Anyway, so they take it there and then there's another doctor that's missing, who's the archeologist there. They're like a huge amount of blood that they discover in the lab. So people are going missing. And then we meet Monica, who's a graduate student who works there, who has a dog, who doesn't appear to be a sort of service dog, but just has a dog. In the museum. And the museum that has lots of bones, which I would think would probably be like, maybe it's not cool to bring your dog to this job situation. But anyway, all right. So Scully and Mulder show up and they just keep having these cat attacks on people. It is sort of an incoherent episode as I'm trying to describe the plot to this. I'm like, this is just... Well, people keep disappearing. There's also a red herring plot happening, which is the museum is overrun with rats and there keeps being dead rats everywhere. And so there's like, I think a little bit of a red herring that maybe this is rats doing something, but no listeners of this show. What's happening is just cats. Like house cats are killing people. The house cats, we think possibly. No, definitely. But like the basement of the museum has like 100 house cats in it and they're unlike normal cats because they have like this, this urn is making them act differently. They're hunting in a pack and killing people. Okay. You're helping me out here. All right. And then so Dr. Belak, who's the one who was like, we can't take this thing. I was apparently doing this drug called Yahweh. Which is just, it's ayahuasca. It's ayahuasca. So he's just like tripping balls on ayahuasca like the whole time since he's been back and it's definitely fucked him up quite a bit. And then he goes to the museum, but then Mona is dead, the grad student, and then the dog, the dog is also dead. The dog gets killed, yes. Because they do an autopsy on the dog and they find rat poison in the dog's stomach. Wow. You really missed a lot of details in this episode. The dog ate a cat. Yeah, the dog ate a cat and the cat. And the cat had eaten a rat with rat poison. And that's how the dog died was from the rat poison that was in the rat that was in the cat that it ate. It's a real nesting doll situation. And so then we get to the end of this episode where they're like in the steam tunnels underneath this museum trying to find Mona or Dr. Bielek and they get attacked by the pack of cats. Jillian Anderson gets attacked by a stuffed cat in a very obvious way. And then the state department says that they have to send the urn back and then all this well again. Yes. And the people in the Ecuadorian Highlands under the watchful eye of their shaman rebury their urn back where it was and all as well. And presumably those cats just go back to being cats. It's unclear. We don't get a follow up. The cats are just back to napping and sunbeams. Yeah, I mean this is, I think an episode with good intentions. This is like an issue episode, right? Like it's about colonization. It's about archaeologists not considering local people. It's like trying to say something. It's just executed very badly. It's executed so badly. It felt like they tried to make this episode in one day for $100. I understand that the script that they're working with is very silly, which is going to be difficult to making something cool and scary. So I get that they're up against something big here, but it's just a lot of like TV magic, arturial magic, a lot of like sound effects and Foley and cutaways. There's so much of that that there's really not much left to even further the story. So some background is that, so this is written by John Chabon, who like went on to write for Breaking Bad in Better Call Saul. He is a writer capable of better work and it's written by Kim Manners who has directed by Kim Manners. Directed by Kim Manners who's been directing TV since the 70s. He's a real pro and Kim Manners knew he had a dog shit episode. He was very aware and he understood what the problem was, which was the ending. I think if you change the last third, then you have what is a mediocre but not terrible episode of television. I think it's the pack of cats attacking them in the basement. And so he apparently begged Chris Carter, the showrunner for a while being like, let me change the ending to one giant, like one jungle cat, because I can make that scary. And Chris Carter would not budge. It had to be a pack of house cats. Yeah, they fell into the trap of what they thought they were doing was important. And I want to let everyone out there know that your art is not important. It is not important to anything or anyone. And I think if you believe your art to be important, it absolutely will not be. So yeah, you kind of have to, you have to let other people make your art important. Yes, exactly. Exactly, Joseph. That is what the kinder way of what I'm trying to say is that, yes, I think that there is an opportunity with this episode. Again, it's an issues episode. And I think that they took it really seriously and I appreciate them taking it really seriously. But as a result, they made dog shit television or cat shit television, I guess. Or dog shit, cat shit, rat shit, rat poison. Kim Manners, by the way, would not let this go. He referred to, so X-Files had a system where every rewrite, they would change the color of the paper so that no one would mix up rewrites of scripts. And this one went through so many rewrites, it ended up going back to salmon. And so he referred to this episode as second salmon. And then also got everyone who worked on it a t-shirt afterwards saying, I survived Tesso's dos beaches. So this is bad TV being made by a guy who is so aware he is making bad TV and is pissed off about it. It's trying to. And by the way, second salmon is what you feed cats. So this episode was watched by 17.38 million people in its initial broadcast. It's amazing. It's just like, we keep going back to secession because secession was like the mode, like this really talked about show. And I bet at its peak, it probably was like 2 million, maybe, maybe like a little over 1 million. And it's just at the era of the monoculture where you could turn out just horrible television and 17 million people would still watch it. And I do. I do want to give them, I obviously want to give X-Files credit. It's a very popular show that they did lots of cool stuff with. They created, I would say that it's defined the genre. Yeah. I mean, I think most people working in sci-fi and horror right now are people who grew up with X-Files. Like the X-Files is a real influential work for the work coming right now. Yeah. And I will say that they made, you know, they made 24 episodes a season, 20, like they were making a ton of television. They are producing hour long shows every week. And again, it's not all going to be incredible. And it's not all going to be, it's not all going to work, but they're working without net because they have to turn the tape over to Fox. And Fox has to put it on. So we get to see them fail, which I think is cool because normally you don't get to see failure on TV anymore or anywhere anymore. It's like something that is so invested in and so like managed and noted that like you don't get to see sort of big swings miss. And I like that. I like to see something that is overall really, really successful. I'd like to look at it at its worth, to look at it for its failures because I think there is a lot to learn from it. Yeah. I think going back to some of what we try to do with the worst episode, which is look at what is the show, why did the show become so popular that we can see even in its worst? You have David D'acofini and Jillian Anderson, who just have undeniable chemistry are great on screen. They're there. They're doing it. I honestly think that some of the shots are good. There's some like good cinematography in this. There's some like cool lighting. When they're in the steam tunnels, there's like some like stark shadows and lights. Someone who knows what they're doing did like think through what that scene would look like. Yeah. And going back to Kim Manners, Kim Manners really did try really hard to make this episode good. And even just speaking to the writing is the fact that you're at second salmon, you've tried so many times. And I think that's cool. The thing that I love in the artistic process is it doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it's bad. What matters to me as a person who creates art, as a person who enjoys art is that you tried. You tried your absolute hardest. You used all your tricks. You did not phone it in. You did not give up. And I don't think they gave up ever here. I just think that sometimes you can't win them all, right? They're also, they're trying to say something that honestly is, I feel like a little head of its time in popular culture in the early 90s, which is this idea of like, even if you're well-intentioned, you can't save a culture without listening to that culture. You know, you have this pompous archaeologist who's like, I want to save this urn because it'll get destroyed, but he's not listening to the people whose culture that urn belongs to. As I said, the execution of that story is very bad. But I think the idea that they were trying to talk about was actually pretty head of its time for popular culture. And then the other side of that coin is just because it's a culture you understand doesn't mean that it's necessarily witchcraft. Just because you don't get them doesn't mean that they're witches. But yeah, I mean, it's it definitely then plays into a lot of the tropes of like the scary natives attacking white people. Like there is kind of this very hitchy over the head scene at the beginning where the pompous archaeologist is listening to like classical music while the native people are playing like ominous sounding drums. And so it's like this back and forth between like civilized music, scary native music. And and it's very much playing into the horror tropes of that. They weren't past that even as they were trying to say something. One interesting note is the guy who plays the shaman was a Kree activist and a founder of the Saskatchewan native theater company. I bet this episode annoyed the shit out of him for having to play the scary shaman. But you know what? It was a paycheck. It probably paid for a nice show at the Saskatchewan native theater company. And so good for him. Yeah, I was going to say you got that psych health insurance, but it's Canadian. So they don't need that. They don't need their psych health insurance. One major problem I think the show has and it speaks to what this show is good at. This show is at its absolute best when Mulder and Scully are bouncing off each other. Like that's the show is those two characters and those two performers. And they don't show up for so long because we get a cold open that they're not in. But then we get after the credits like a second set up because now we have to be in Boston and set up those characters and set up the murder there. So we do not see Scully or Mulder for seven minutes of a 40 minute episode. That's almost a quarter of the episode does not have our two friends in it. Yeah, we're anchorless. We're rudderless without them, which I guess brings us to the best, right? Well, I've got some more notes on this one. You've got some more notes. Go for it, babe. I wrote all down all sorts of things. There is the I just wrote where are him bow at one point when they weren't when. Mulder wasn't there for seven minutes. They do some fun like things. There's the guy, one of the guy who gets killed is driving a jaguar so they can like really focus on the cat statue. They have a nice killer POV shot that's very like Halloween or Evil Dead. So they're kind of referencing some classic horror movie shots. Like there's a lot of careful craft and thought going into an episode that just ultimately doesn't work. I think one of the main reasons this doesn't work is the big cat attack is just Skully waving around a stuffed animal. And the reason was that Jillian Anderson is very allergic to cats and so could not be anywhere near a cat. And so they had why not just have an attack molder, you'd think. But instead we have Skully just like doing her damnedest to pretend to be attacked by like an animal that my three year old would happily go to sleep with just like a little stuffed cat. It definitely speaks to the turmoil they had while creating this episode. Where they like did not realize that this was going to be a problem until like they were filming it. Kim Manners realized it was going to be a problem, but it was Chris Carter. Chris Carter apparently would not change his mind. It had to be cats. Like I don't think it would be great, but if it was like a jaguar in the basement hunting them, I think Kim could have done some nice scary shots of that and you wouldn't have had Skully having to like wave a stuffed cat. I mean, even a freaking Maine Coon could have done it. Yeah. I mean, Chris Carter is one of those people where he created a really good show. But also this is not the only episode where you really have to question his creative judgment. There's a famous one called First Person Shooter that I really thought was going to be the worst episode that is about a like evil video game that is just very like kids these days in their video games. Our intermission is how is that theme song? I mean, it's classic. You obviously you hear it, you know, like that's the X files theme. I feel like when ringtones came out, there's a lot of people's ringtone. You can't sing along to it. I wouldn't say it's a banger or a bop, but I would say that it is instantly identifiable and non offensive. This is for me, top five TV theme song of all time. Cheers is number one. I would put this at number three ish. It's just like it fits the mood perfectly. It's so memorable. Just the whole opening credits sequence is so good. Just like in and of itself, the opening credits sequence is famous. Pretty much every one of those shots. And then the truth is out there, which they would very occasionally change to something like Trust No One and everyone would be like, oh, my God, they changed the text. Just this to me is like peak television opening credit sequence. I think that it should be a law. I think the FCC should be involved that every television show, no matter what television show should have a theme song in the credit sequence. I think that should be required. Yeah. I mean, the issue is that everything has a skip intro button now. So no one wants to the FCC needs to get rid of the skip intro. But every every four episodes are required to watch it in full. Well, that's the issue, right? Is that now we watch 12 episodes in a row. And so we by the 11th, we don't want to watch the credit sequence. You know, when you're watching it once a week, the credit sequence is sort of like the overture at like an old timey musical. Like it's a little bit like, oh, it's been a long week, but now I'm getting into the mood for X files. I think it's an important structural beat. And I think that it is a travesty that we have hollowed this from this artistic expression. I agree. I agree that the blame, I think, actually has a very easy to find a scapegoat with scapegoats. Not the right word, because they actually is their fault, which is lost because lost is both kind of the one of the first shows that people were like, I want to binge this because it has this continuing story, but also lost is the first one in my memory that does not have an open and credit sequence. It just has like the word lost coming at you briefly with sound. And I remember even at the time people were being like, wow, this is so innovative. They don't have an open and credit sequence. But then it turns out they were in television by everyone was like, oh, we don't have to have an open and credit sequence. Great. You have to have an open credit sequence and it has to be like a little bit silly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like to me, I wouldn't put the theme song in the top. We'll talk about this when we get to it. But to me, the kind of the ideal open and credits is Buffy, because Buffy has the like they have like when they put Allison Hannigan's name, you get like old clips of Allison Hannigan doing stuff. It's just perfect. It's sort of the curtain call. Like each of the actors comes out when their name is called and you get to see them. That's what I'm looking for. And it changes every season. So you can be like, oh, we're in season four. The credits are different now. Yeah. I mean, there was the trend on HBO shows for a while where they had like really cool. I think they even still do that some for some shows. There was like, I remember there was one company that like that was what they did. They did all of the HBO opening credits. Yeah. I think it started with Trueblood. I think it was six feet under because six feet under had a really cool opening credit sequence. You know where it started was the Sopranos probably. Yeah. It's such a great, it's such a classic one. I think what happened is the Sopranos had a classic one and then HBO was like, we have a mandate. We have to have cool opening credit sequences because that's kind of what we're known for right now. And the cool part of the Sopranos is it literally is just the ride home from the city to very close to where the house I grew up in was. So it's like a little personal gift for Meg. And now the best episode of the X-Files. What is that? It's Bad Blood, which is the 12th episode of the fifth season. I forgot to note this based on my theory. Tisito's speeches is a little different because I said that the worst was most likely to be in either the first season or one of the last two. And instead this is in the third, which is very much not where I thought it would be. But Bad Blood season five. I think we're going to be seeing a lot of seasons. Seasons four to six are going to be like the sweet spot for best episodes because that's when the show is really cooking. They haven't gotten tired yet. I think we're going to see a lot of those season fives. You know, give us a summary. Do you want me to try to do it off the top of my head or you got it? I think we can do this together. All right. So this is a Monster of the Week episode and it's told in a very interesting structure. The structure was based upon an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show called The Night the Roof Fell In, in which the main characters, they tell different versions of a fight that they had. But this story is told in Mulder and Scully's different versions of the events that happened. So we start out with a ticking clock. Mulder's like, we have an hour before we have to go talk to Skinner about what happened. Well, so what specifically we see right off the bat, Mulder kills a guy because he thinks the guy's a vampire and then Scully shows that the guy is just a guy. So Mulder has straight up killed a person. And now they're looking, talking about how to cover it up, which is very like cops kill, cops lie. Like we're watching two cops try to cover up the fact that they killed a guy. So that's where we are. So it starts with Scully's version of events. Mulder's real cocky comes in. He's like, we got to go down to Texas to go do this thing. There's vampires there. And he talks about vampires for a little bit and they go there. They go to the Texas town and they, you know, there's been a person who's been killed, a tourist who's been killed. So they're at the funeral home. Then they meet the cop who's played by Luke Wilson, who Scully finds very hot apparently. Scully has to go do the autopsy while Mulder goes off with the cop. And so we get Mulder's version of events, we get Scully's version of events where she does the autopsy. She figures out cause of death, which is poisoning and there's pizza in his stomach. She's really tired. She was back to her hotel room. She orders a pizza and then Mulder comes in and then we flip to Mulder's version of the story where we get to see where he goes with the cop and then also just his versions of events where when he's talking about it, Scully is like dismissive of him and- And the hot, the hot sheriff is ugly and kind of a hick. The hot sheriff is kind of, is yes, ugly and kind of a hick and Mulder is really brilliant about vampires and knows a ton about them. And Scully is just like this horrible wet towel killjoy the whole time. But so yeah, we get the version of those events where Mulder goes off with the cop. They go to a cemetery and then they go to a trailer park where things have got a ride. There's some great like physical comedy involving Mulder trying to stop a runaway RV and it ends with him just like hanging off the back of it being dragged in the mud. It's very much a comedy episode. Very much a comedy episode. And then we end up back at the motel, but this time we see that Mulder is to become the vampire's next victim because he has eaten the poisoned pizza that was that Scully ordered. Because the guy was the pizza guy. Guy was the pizza guy. So Scully puts it back, puts it together. She's doing another autopsy. She puts it together that Mulder's in trouble. So she goes back and she finds him about to be eaten by the vampire. She shoots at him. He runs away and that is when... That's when Mulder kills the guy. And then we get this kind of coda where they have to go back because the guy he killed woke up and murdered the coroner because it turns out he really was a vampire. And then we get the little twist that in fact everyone in town, including the hot sheriff, is a vampire. But they're kind of like nice tax-paying, just get along, go along vampire. So instead of killing Scully and Mulder, they just knock them out and then skip town and disappear. It was really just like this kind of bumbling late teen kid, brilliantly played by Patrick Runa that causes this whole issue by being like a messy vampire. Yeah, the other vampires all eat cow blood and he just got in his head that he wanted to be a real vampire and kill humans. And he causes so much trouble that they all have to pull up stakes and get out of there. This is just a fun episode. It's not the one I thought was going to be best because I think there's some episodes that the X-Files did that are really beautiful and kind of cosmic and at the time I watched them made me really feel things. And this is not a feel things episode. This is just a very silly, funny episode. But I can see why people like it so much. Yeah, it's written by Vince Gilligan. So Crater, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, lots of great television this man has given us. And directed by Cliff Bull, who was one of those, you know, 80s and 90s TV directors directed a lot of Star Trek. He in fact has a Star Trek alien race named after him. And so yeah, we got guest appearances from Luke Wilson and Patrick Runa. Was Luke Wilson famous at the time? Luke Wilson was just in Home Fries with Drew Barrymore and I think Vince Gilligan wrote that film as well. So this was right after. Okay, so he wasn't like a movie star yet. He wasn't like a full on movie star. He was working though. Like he was, yeah, like it would make cultural sense for him to be guest starring in an episode of a very popular television show. And he did great. He did great. Yeah, he was a lot of fun in both his, he did very well as a hunk and also very well as a silly hick in kind of the two versions of him. Yeah, but starting with the writing, it's great. We love a show that is using a fun structure and we love a show that is borrowing from the television, the television dynasty of the Dick Van Dyke show. So I think I mean, classically you would call this like a Rashomon structure after the Japanese movie I watched once when I was 15. I watched it in my film class. Yeah. But yeah, so it is of that style and that's great when we use an existing structure and bring our story and our characters to that. I think that's a great way to write for things is to, to play with different structures. We could, I could talk about structure and laying your skin on top of its bones forever, but we're not going to do that because we're going to talk about this episode. Jillian Andrews described this episode as one of her favorites of the series saying, oh yes, I love that episode. As far as I'm concerned, it's one of our best ever. I think it really showed how well David and I can work together, which again, this goes back to your thesis that the most special thing about X-Files, what makes it so great is this chemistry between Dukovny and Anderson. Yeah. And going back to the worst one, which had seven minutes without them, this one, they are in it from minute one, second one. Like it starts with the two of them. And so we're right in with their chemistry and the structure where we see their two points of view only works as well as it does because we have gotten to know their two points of view. It gets to poke fun at these personas that we've really gotten to know and love, that in her view, Jillian Anderson isn't being skeptical. She's just being the adult in the room. Whereas from the Mulder's point of view, he's not being crazy. He's just laying out the facts and he just has an interesting case. We get to see how they see themselves, which is a lot of fun. Agreed. This was watched by 19.25 million viewers when it premiered. You get two more million viewers. I mean, it's a few seasons later, so I think X-Files was a bigger hit by then. Yeah. It was definitely an appointment television show, an appointment television by that point in time. Some notes. We have a prison rape joke. So that's very 90s television. Mulder does not tip the pizza guy at all. It costs like $14.99 and Mulder gives him $15. So in some ways, Mulder does deserve to get murdered by the pizza guy. One thing I think you can really see what's good about the X-Files here is we have a joke about points of view on a sex object, which is the sheriff. But that sex object is a man and is based a lot of it on Skoli's point of view on him. Even in a episode about a sex object joke, Skoli is not that sex object. Skoli became a sex symbol because she's hot, but the show never plays it that way. The show never makes her wear skimpy clothes or plays into her sexuality, like other than her sexuality as an active participant in that she was hot for the sheriff. So I really appreciated that. The sex symbol joke was the hot sheriff and not Skoli. Yeah, guys, it's the mid-90s. Women are allowed to find men attractive. They'll never get to be president, but in the 90s, they're allowed to find men attractive on television. I think in the 90s, they maybe were even president on television. There was probably some show. Starting around the 90s to early 2000s, every show if you had the president, it had to be either a white woman or a black man, just to be like, look at us. I liked how before when you said, Jillian Anderson is hot, you had a little bit of permission in your face for me, and yes, Jillian Anderson is very hot. I don't think that's what I was thinking at the time. There was a little bit of permission tone in there. I think I was just trying to think of how to phrase it and then just land it on she's hot. That's it, like objective hire, but she's so pretty, man. Like they both are, right? That's the whole thing, as they were both really hot, they're hot together. That's sort of one of the big appeals of the show. The amount of fan fiction written about those two, man. They did eventually get a romance plot, but it actually took, I think, quite a while. We'll talk about this more in our Patreon only show, The Middleist, but there was an attempt to replace her as a possible love interest with someone else that just went really badly because viewers did not want that. They wanted those two together. My final note for this episode is that apparently, I was trying to see this, and they did a really good job hiding this, but the glowing eyes, the vampires all have glowing eyes, and that's how you know they're vampires. That was just a painted onto their eyelids, and so none of them could see. So like when they're being approached by a crowd of people with glowing eyes, all those people were just having to walk with their eyes shut, and that's how that effect was done, which is just, I love it. Like now you'd get a CGI team has to go in there, and back then it was just like, no, just glow in the dark paint, put it on their eyelids and close your eyes. They could just put your hands out in front of you and walk slow, you'll be fine. I mean, I noted that in all the shots, they only showed them walking for like a second at a time. It's real slow, and the hands are out in front of them. And they're all spaced pretty far apart. Yeah, it's good. It's as we've talked about before, there was this bridge between television and film, and for most of its time, television was firmly in the side of theater. You could do things like just paint, glow in the dark paint on someone's eyes, and you wouldn't, you would never do that for a big budget movie. But for a big budget TV show like this, that was fine, because it's theater. And need to turn it around quickly. Yeah, and that kind of somewhere in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, TV slipped from theater to film, and now everything has to be, everything has to look film quality, everything has to be shot in location. And I think you see some of the, just the fun of like, you can do simple theater stuff with TV and it works. It doesn't look big budget, but it works. Suspender disbelief. Like, do you really need all this? Use your imagination. Do you have any more notes on the best ever episode? I really liked this episode. I think that I understand why it's good. And I think that for people who are really into X-Files and watching it while it is, like while it was happening, I think that they would have had like a really good night with this one. The one I thought was going to be best. Well, there are a couple of notes. This is tied actually. I went with this one because it had more votes on IMDB than the other one. But this is tied with Clyde Brukman's Final Repose, which is another episode that I would have thought was best. It's a very good episode about a psychic who can only predict people, how people are going to die is the only thing he's able to predict. Great episode. If you've never watched X-Files and you're curious to watch more good X-Files, I will say there's an episode, famous episode called Jose Chung's From Outer Space, that I have not watched in 15 years, but when I watched it as a teenager, it genuinely was the single best episode of television I'd ever seen. So if you're curious, go search out Jose Chung's From Outer Space, which is just such a weird and good episode of television. Next, well, I was going to say next week, but next week is our Patreon only show, the middle is, but in two weeks, what are we covering? It's in the script. So I'm going to say it's house, everyone. It is not house. We already covered house. It is. I love Lucy. Oh, no. Continuing our, we alternate between our dramas and half-hour sitcoms. Yeah, I love Lucy. I'm sure had some highs, but I am dreading its worst episode because I feel like the worst episode of I Love Lucy might be our, I feel like so far our worst episodes have all been not great, but still like watchable. And I am a little afraid that the worst episode of I Love Lucy might not even be watchable. I'm worried that the best episode of I Love Lucy might not be watchable. Yeah. Well, we're going to find out and you're going to find out too. When we cover I Love Lucy, join us next week for our Patreon only show, the middleist, where we look at the exact middle rated episode of the X-Files, which is season two, episode 24, our town. It's a fun little one about cannibalism and a meatpacking plant. And it also has our Patreon only episode, within a Patreon only episode, the little list where we discuss how our three-year-old would handle the show. See you then. And that's it. 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