The Delaying Tactics of Tyler Robinson's Defense

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The Charlie Kirk show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver experts, and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. We are in February 4th already. My goodness. Where is the time going? We've got a lot to get to today. This is a jam packed show. We're going to get right into it. Yesterday there was a preliminary hearing with Tyler Robinson, the accused killer. I certainly believe he's guilty of guilty of sin. And then we're going to have Senator Coach Tuberville. Tuberville, who's going to be joining us talking about the Savak. So lots to get to without further ado. I'm going to throw it over to Blake because Blake had the job of going over that through the all four hours of the hearing yesterday. So this is not the trial itself. We'll obviously be covering the trial every day once it happens. This is yet another preliminary hearing. There's been a lot of these you've heard about them where they've been trying to keep cameras out of the courtroom. They've been litigating how exactly Robinson will be dressed when he's in the courtroom and so on. And what the claim yesterday was is they're making a bid they being the defense team to disqualify the entire county attorney's office from prosecuting this case. So these are the county attorneys office for Utah County. Can I stop us right there because there's a fight if you go on the internet. It's like the FBI the FBI the FBI. This is not a federal case. This is a state right at the local level. Yes. The FBI assisted in the initial investigation. Conceivably there could be federal charges someday. You never know like for example, it's something we're going to write with this. But right now this is a state case in Utah. Utah County that's where provo is I believe. And one of the largest counties but it's not Salt Lake. And so they've been handling this case and what has emerged is that the daughter of one of the prosecutors on the team was present at the shooting. And so the defense team is arguing that based on this fact alone that she was one of 3,000 people there approximately that it should disc. It's creates a conflict of interest and it should disqualify the entire county attorney's office which if they succeed it would mean it would have to be taken over by either another county attorney's office or by the state. Huge delay. Huge delay. Messes everything up just drags the case out more creates more uncertainty that's entirely what their plan is. Now thankfully legal experts who've commented on this say this is a pretty big long shot it'd be one thing if she was one of the one or two witnesses to the event. This is 3,000 people and plus everyone saw it very quickly online. And so the claim that there's some sort of special aspects that is a long shot. They were asking them about it in court yesterday and what's interesting about it is it gives us an insight as to what evidence they've collected so far what they're planning to bring and also what the defense against it might be. So for example they had agent David Hall one of the investigators they had him on the stage and they're just cross examining him. The state itself was actually cross examining about all the evidence they'd found because they're pointing out did any of this have anything to do with the daughter at all and he's saying no over and over again. So yeah this by the way this was a surprise to some of us because you know we've been told that the preliminary hearing where new where the evidence will be sort of first presented is not going to be until May. So we got to see this little small glimpse into some of the way the defense is thinking some of the way the prosecution is thinking. Merle. Yeah so for example they're just they're going back and forth on the evidence they have like the fact that they found what they for example were able to find in Tyler Robinson's apartment. Yeah let's play let's play 388 was a search warrant on on the defendant's house executed in this case. It was yes down in St George and was evidence obtained from his house it was yes what kind of evidence. I'm going to put him on the spot but if I recall there were some bullet casings that had some inscriptions on. There were some tools that were believed to have been used to make those inscriptions. There were targets I believe that had been used and also targets that had been purchased recently were just prior to the event. There was ring door ring door bell camera footage obtained from other residences down there and then a number of electrical items laptops and such that were collected as part of the warrant. So we have that for example we also have they just talk about finding DNA at the scene for example 385 is DNA consistent with the defendant's DNA found on the firearm that was found at the scene. Yes the DNA on the firearm was consistent with that of Mr. Robinson. And then interestingly they follow up on that where then the defense team shows up and they try to do some back and forth on this let's do 387. Are you aware that DNA evidence that was seized from the scene consisted of a mixture of at least five different individuals. I'm not DNA expert so. So you know enough to say what helps him but you're not going to answer whether or not there were five individuals mixed into that DNA. I'm not aware of that no. Okay and you're certainly not qualified to interpret complex DNA mixtures are you? No I'm not. It's a little bizarre that they're they're going that intently at it in what is again a preliminary hearing yet. I guess that's a sign of what we might have to expect when this finally goes to full trial. And there's a lot of water on DNA out there's a ton of reasons why you would find multiple DNA multiple people's DNA on a on anything. Yeah actually but a key thing is that DNA but to see one with a pattern that's connected to multiple different scenes multiple different places. Plus all the other evidence that there is including video evidence by the way there's a clip on video evidence that we have right. I'm trying to get the exact number because it's not I don't see it in our sheet but they had a back and forth where they they just asked him. Because they're they're reason they're asking this is they're diving into they're kind of unpacking. You didn't catch this person because of a video taken by the daughter in question in fact she didn't have a video of the shooting itself. It's 390 actually this is agent hall response to video on the rooftop explains two different recordings 390. That roof that was recorded in that video first are there is there other surveillance of that that person in that a person in that location at that time running to that spot. There is additional footage yes. Where does that come from? That came from the Utah Valley University security cameras. Is there another individual that also recorded a person running after the shooting from from the roof? Not to my recollection no any video from someone you recall a video from someone in the hall of flags who may have reported someone running after the shooting. Yes there was an individual who recorded from the hall of flags. It's an interior video looking through the windows. But I believe an individual is visible on the rooftop also in that video. There was another though where they just ask him do you have other stuff and he says actually we have a ton of surveillance footage from the university of someone you know kind of tracing the suspect off campus. And then he says they have ring doorbell footage from or I'm not just we knew about from St. George's were you know around that area but they also apparently have some from the vicinity of the shooting tracing the suspect into the woods where they later found the firearm. They have they say they have security footage at businesses on the road back from orm to St. George where so you get the sense we don't know it all for sure that they have a very strong documentary record of basically everywhere Tyler Robinson was. We haven't seen all those videos will presumably see them on the actual trial. But it felt like the big headline from this is it really came into to focus that they are trying to get the entire prosecution dismissed because one team member and this was a hand picked crew of prosecutors. One of these prosecutors happen to have an 18 year old daughter on the scene that day. So we're going to keep going through some of these clips because we got a lot of clips here. We got a again part of their argument they're claiming is this is the real argument defense is making that they wouldn't be pursuing the death penalty in this case if not for the personal dimension that the one of the attorneys daughters was there that clip of that. So they asked about they asked this is now the county attorney Jeffrey Gray who was among other things he they point out he ran on a campaign promise to pursue the death penalty in appropriate cases and one because they're elected. And he ran on that so they asked him about this 389. I'm going to refer to the prosecutor in your office whose child was present at the shooting as prosecutor a. Do you know who I'm talking about yes. Have you ever met prosecutor a's child that was present at that shooting not that I could remember I could have in passing but not that I can remember did prosecutor. Did the presence of prosecutor a's child have any effect on the decisions you've made in this case zero. Did that child's presence have any effect on your decision to seek the death penalty zero. Why did you choose to seek the death penalty in this case because the evidence that had been gathered supports the aggravated murder charge and I believe that the death penalty is entirely appropriate in this particular case. That's a good answer it's a good answer I'd say throughout this I feel a lot of confidence I mean let's just compare with for example the big Fanny Willis the proceedings in that related the prosecution of Trump a complete farce you have they're bringing she's bringing in her boyfriend for support on this case and just fun. Watching that everyone's just a giant feeding frenzy of incompetence and corruption I feel very much here watching this hearing everyone seems very professional they seem very sober this is the team you would want handling this every feels measured yes nobody's being over over their skis nobody's getting over the top it's just very by the book professional you can tell everybody's and by the way there's a whole game that goes on behind the scenes where the defense is trying to get the prosecution to trip up so that they can reverse the just you know the guilty verdict that we're presuming is going to come on appeal that they can get them on a technicality so everybody's trying to do everything by the book this is frustrating for us because we want to see justice done immediately as a matter of fact Eric occur because put in a statement saying you know and as a victim she they have victim rights in the state of Utah so she's able to assert her victim rights saying I want a speedy trial speedy justice but they have to keep that in balance to make sure they don't overdo it and rush too fast so that to give the defense and excuse to again reverse it on appeal I have a couple more clips who want to hit so I want I mentioned this in the last one but I wanted to get to it this is agent Hall again talking about the ring doorbell footage they were able to get 426 you said you collect a surveillance evidence from Utah Valley universities that right it's correct did that give you some additional information on identifying the shooter I did yes how about doorbell cameras for the the areas around Utah Valley University yes we collected a large number of um doorbell camera footage from multiple residences in the area not just an orm but also in St George um and we also recovered video footage from multiple businesses in the area of the university campus in orm and also from businesses between orm and St George so there's a large amount of video footage obtained uh and did those help you identify the shooter they did yes so we know obviously they have some of this some of this is actually already come out but some of it we haven't seen some of it we haven't seen so including some of the surveillance footage from campus um and and then by the way there's a clip here talking about all of the social media uh and text messages that they've collected 392 text messages uh did you collect text messages from um associates of Tyler Robinson uh we did yes and uh did those what was the did those have any evidentiary value they did yes what's how so uh some of the communications between mr. Robinson and people that he knew um indicated that he had been involved in the incident at Utah Valley University okay and you say that indicated he had been involved what you mean by that uh there was um i don't recall specifically with text messages but some of the social media chats there were admissions that he had been involved and the incident as the shooter so all of this uh some of it is inciting to what will go into the trial but we shouldn't forget what actually brought this which the defense team openly admits is the point of this is to drag things out throwing uncertainty delayed the trial delayed justice and what seems i think you and i both agree it looks like a pretty open and shut case overall but the goal is delay and in fact uh they admit that themselves let's play 394 we understand that there is pressure on the judicial system to move this case expeditiously there is also a countervailing and we believe um stronger need to make sure that there's a heightened standard of reliability that there is no conflict and that there is no appearance of conflict and if that takes a little bit of time for another prosecution office to get up to speed the investigations are going to continue the discovery productions are going to continue the lab work is going to continue none of that is going to change just give us a little bit of time to get a whole new prosecution to that's that's an obscene request in my opinion um and then there's this whole other storyline by the way where they don't want still images of mr. Robinson in the media they have grave concerns they say of huge photographic lenses focused on the client which will interfere with his right to a fair trial these are the central dynamics that were we're just getting the first inside of now very telling about how they're going to proceed now in their defense the judge says he's going to rule on this specific request in about three weeks I think on the 24th he'll issue a written ruling we'll also get a ruling on the uh filming of the proceedings and so forth around then but we're going to remain on this we we we are asking for cameras in that courtroom 100% for a lot of Americans the healthcare system is reactive you get sick first and then you wait for an appointment then insurance decides what you're allowed to have and suddenly the medication you need is delayed or it's not available that is where all family pharmacy is different this is not a typical pharmacy it's family owned I know these guys they're great guys works with 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all family pharmacy.com slash Kirk we are honored to be joined by the one and only coach Tommy Tuberville out of the great state of Alabama and he's a great senator sad to lose him in the senate but he's running for governor of that great the that great state coach welcome back to the show thanks glad to be here i hope uh everything's going good with the all we're finally got a little ice moved out here and around our building so we can we can move around so we can communicate up here in a clown show are you are you in the clown show are you backing out south right now i'm assuming uh no i mean you're in the city yeah i'm in dc it's uh it's one thing or another up here but we're making progress we've funded the government how about that well that's that's a not not a small miracle this day and age coach everybody wants to know about the save act is it going to be brought for a vote is it going to be pushed forward as soon going to get behind it please just lay it out for our audience because this is one of the most massively popular agenda items according to americans if you pull it and yet dc just can't seem to get out of no no and we're scared to death of the democrats because they pretty much control you know what we do and don't do in the senate because we got to have a few of them vote with us and nobody wants to put a vote on the floor that's not going to pass of course shuck shumer spool the party when he says you know i'm getting one democrat vote and so it's not going to work you know it's not rocket science it's common sensors two things that the american people want especially in my state of Alabama they won't close the borders and they want to have a fair voting and president trump has done a miraculous job of closing the border nobody news in of course he's trying to kick people out which he should continue to do uh that's where i look at it but the other one is we got to help president out on this because we've got people up here in the house and the senate that shouldn't be here because there's blue states that have rigged the elections there's no doubt now we we've seen the evidence voting machines a harvest balloting vote 10 or 15 times illegal voting we have got to do something about these blue states and now you know we all want to say you know let's let their states control their own voting if we do that uh we will lose majority a majority will lose in house the senate and i don't know whether we win another presidency if we don't get the saviac uh through through congress and samba president trump yeah no i completely agree the saviac it's just it's one of these frustrations that the base everybody should have with dc now i know you've got to be collegial i know you have to these are your your colleagues in the senate and the senate has a certain decorum which i can appreciate but help me understand where leader through and is at on this issue it are we gonna see a vote are we gonna get rid of the zombie filibuster to have this vote is there is there do you feel the courage welling up inside the man's chest or you know help us understand where we're at well thunders in a tough spot because the president wants this voted on but he knows it won't pass because we got to have 60 votes the only way to pass this is the bus to filibuster and we've got 10 or 15 people up here might be even more than that on the republican side that basically said we're not going to bust the filibuster and so if we don't do that that means we won't get anything else done uh in the senate or the house or the white house uh for president trump unless it's an executive order we're done uh now they say we have one more reconciliation that's 51 votes but i see very little work done on that but uh you know i i was not forbusting the filibuster but after listening to these crazies on the left uh it's not the democrats anymore it's the uh the democrat socialist party of america on the left uh and even the democrats have moved that way and i know they don't believe in all of it but to get reelected and that's what that's what this business is and dc it's hey we want to get reelected where we have more power it's not about doing what's right for the american people so uh we uh if we're going to help president trump we've got having up people step up and say okay you know let's get this done 51 votes because if we don't the very first thing that the uh the democrats will do when they take power in that they'll bust the filibuster and uh i don't know whether we'll ever gain any power back because after that they will change everything they possibly can with 51 votes in the senate yeah so you know we had senator markwain mullin on talking about potentially including this in a reconciliation bill but you're saying you haven't seen much work done on that um that's that's discouraging um if we could get to 50 plus one the house has already passed this um i just i mean i hate very frustrating it's very frustrating frustrating here we can't pass controversial stuff because there'll be backlash and we'll lose the election but now we're at the point where we can't pass overwhelmingly popular stuff because there'll be backlash and something bad well and this is what's wild to senator is that we have you know you got you got you got 76% of black voter support voter ID you've got you know well over 80% of all american voters that support voter ID and yet the democrats are obstructing it and you have to just sort of scratch your head and ask why because what do they know that their own voters don't know and the only answer to that question is not a good answer it's not a it's not a happy answer for this country it does not bode well for our future and i would simply submit to your colleagues in the senate that are blocking this that there's a very good chance that you don't win re-election if you don't have free and fair elections if you don't insist upon seeing and proving somebody's identity and that there are citizen would you agree oh i 100% if we don't pass the sayback i think it's over i just don't see us having fair elections in enough states to where you know we can maintain the seats we have much less take any there's no way in the state of Georgia we should have two senators that are democrats no way there is no way in the state of Arizona we should have two democrats there's no way same way with Nevada if you look at some of these other states it is and we are losing fast now i don't know what mark Wayne Mullin was saying but in a reconciliation bill you can't put something like the sayback in there it has to be about budget has to be about money and this is not about money well his in his defense his his point was that there would be cost in sort of federalizing certain aspects of of the election at the state level so you could i would love to do that yeah yeah yeah the question that he comes yeah the question then becomes can you get it done before September time period and is that enough time to input you know put put it into action in the states there'd be lawsuits who knows who knows but if we get it done now i completely agree with you this is this is existential for the country yeah and uh we've got all these blue states that are losing voters they're moving to red states we if we had a proper census in 2020 we'd already be there where the blue wall would be out of play wouldn't even matter if you just hold the sunbelt you win the you win the national election uh and so they're moving out we're winning voter red battles all across the country and yet somehow uh you know we've got this party that's importing voters they're mostly being protected in blue jurisdictions in sanctuary jurisdictions and you just have to start wondering you know it's all rigged we can see that it's rigged you don't even have to get into tabulators you don't have to get into vote switch and you don't have to get into any of the controversial the really controversial stuff which i believe there's a lot you can just simply look at the policies of the left and democrat party protecting and by the way coach they're literally going with married women and black people are too dumb to get voter ID to get it to get an ID that's there that's their whole pitch uh uh Jim Crow 2.0 it's just so cynical and dumb at this point uh i do well yeah you got here's the way you got to look at okay the democratic socialist party now has transitioned they're they're losing minority votes president trump got more black votes in history of presidential election right uh they're losing middle class votes democrats used to be for the working man that's come over to the republican side so the new girlfriend for the democrat socialist party is illegal aliens they got a have them because they're losing a lot of votes out of those other two groups come in republican going back to actually voting for american uh the way alive so the democrats have to have the their their new girlfriend the illegal aliens and so that's what you're seeing happen in Minneapolis you're seeing the same thing happen in california in new york and that's the reason they have to keep the saviour back from going across the initial line because if that happens their new girlfriend is going to find a new boyfriend it's going to be out of this country is going to be republicans so president trump has been calling for the and i love the way you said that by the way the new girlfriend i'm gonna we're gonna steal that with attribution when i remember uh coach uh but the uh president trump is calling for the federalization of elections you know you could do that through an eo but it would be much better to have it you know done through congress i think that is probably a far cry as well if we can't even get the saviour back done what do you do you support that and what would that even look like if instituted where you tell me federal federalize elections yeah a fed because president trump was saying that they are agents of the federal government when they're conducting federal elections so the federal government has a role to play and overseeing local elections because they're not doing it right in places like detroit philadelphia at lanta there's so many issues uh states and municipalities proving that they cannot competently run an election that includes federal offices yeah well uh you're not going to have a fair election as long as you don't have uh i'd eat for voting you're not going to have a fair election if you have harvest balancing that's not going you're not going to have a fair election if you have uh these machines we've got to do away with them i know this is the 21st century but folks we're smart enough to have a ballot paper ballot you go market you turn it in and you go home and you also do it in a one day period not this week or two weeks uh it's nonsense to do what we're doing in these blue states and and you know that again they are rigged these things are rigged we can't win and again i just sicked the death about what happened in jorge you know when when i won in 2020 president trump called me at nine o'clock and after i won in congratulations codes it said how's it going said i'm doing great in all the swing states i'm three hundred thousand up here four hundred thousand five hundred thousand up in jorge and he loses all of them and how does that happen they cheated him uh we all know that and uh the mainstream media will just just hit the ceiling if you say something like that but folks facts of facts uh you know all you got to do now is look at the the videos the all the information coming out you know there was Republicans that were sued and and went to jail for this nonsense and again we got to take our country back we got to quit playing soft and that's the reason we don't bust this filibuster we're just handed on a silver platter to the democrats the united state for america to turn socialist and communist and if we end and it's long it's coming in exactly and i'm sick of all that i mean this is a country of that was built by four fathers and we're not going to give it up Christianity built this country we're not going to give it to a group of people like you just said these islamis terrorists who are coming here to not assimilate but to tear it down and just looking texas my god they they have taken over cities in texas the deep south it just makes me sick at my stomach but we're gonna be fighting but yeah senator i wanted a talk more about sharia law uh... but i'm running out of time but god bless you keep fighting pass the saviac find a way do what you got to do senator thank you do what do do yeah we got to get it across the go line thank you god bless you hi folks andra colvett here i'd like to tell you about my friends over yrefi you've probably been hearing me talk about yrefi for some time now we are all in with these guys if you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt take my 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is have fewer controversies and still make sure that people are people who don't belong in this country are getting out of this country now part of what people have seen and we should lead with this is he has announced that they surged 7,000 people into the miniapolis or three thousand or three three thousand maybe it's a thousand but he's announced that dialing back that amount of search and so the headline 417 i have announced effective immediately we would draw down 700 people infected today 700 long force in person now okay the why the why the why is coming out and also just keep in mind that this has to happen at some point we're not going to perpetually keep 15 20 percent of ice in miniapolis as satisfying as that might be sometimes but he explains that the reason they're able to pull these out is that they're getting new new cooperation from the state of Minnesota the city of miniapolis that they previously were not able to get so this is 418 we currently have an unprecedented number of counties communicating with us now and allowing ice to take custody of illegal amings before they hit the streets unprecedented cooperation now say it again this is efficient requires only one or two officers to assume custody of a criminal aming target rather than eight or ten officers going into the community and arresting that public safety threat this frees up more officers to arrest or remove criminal amings more officers taking custody of criminal amings directly from the jails means less offers on the street doing criminal operations this is smart long force man not less long force and it's worth saying Tom Homan I just think he's the he's so disciplined in his role that is what's and so Tom Homan is a field general we love Tom he's been on the show multiple times he loved Charlie Charlie loved Tom and we continue that relationship with Tom so he's great he's a but he's a field general but more importantly for this role right now is he's a great disciplined messenger and so of course all of us in the base are going hey hey hey you're drawn back what was it not you know is it only the worst first because I'm an all of them guy I'll just be really clear you break our laws you invade our country you you participate in the erasure of the American culture that we love and we want to defend for our our next generation our kids and our grandkids you come in this country like that heck no you're out there's no negotiation there's no sob story that's going to move me off that point okay you do not bend the knee to these terrorists so Tom being the great messenger that he is made sure he addressed exactly that concern 409 for those who are not a national security threat or public safety or public safety risk you are not exempt from immigration enforcement actions if you're in the country legally you're not off the table and let me be clear president Trump fully intends to achieve mass deportations during this administration and immigration enforcement actions will continue every day throughout this country so let me explain why this is important what's happening here and why the base needs to get behind what Tom's doing with the drawdown now it was BBC it was NBC it was Washington Post all of them led with the drawdown so why is that important because in bright bar had a great piece on this it's that the poll shows the majority of voters back president Trump's migration policy even despite all this media magnified democrat claims that the enforcement is hurting his poll numbers what they don't like is they don't like seeing the stuff in the streets okay there's normies I I personally have no problem with it let me just be very clear I have zero problem with it but there's normies there's independence all of them support mass deportations they want to get illegals out but they don't want to see the images and the democrats know that so they want to weaponize the images so we got to make it so that they can't do that all right you got to be thinking strategically and the chess moves ahead ahead of time but there's there's stuff to flag here which so again you need fewer agents it's vastly less disruptive and vastly like more focused on the worst actors when you're letting them in jails letting them into prisons letting them actually take these malifactors right when they're most easily available and they get them out of the country and it has to be emphasized over and over again that the left does not want this the left wants criminals in America they want them robbing Americans they want them raping Americans they want them killing Americans and you can prove this you can go to the Washington Post this morning this is a headline today Washington several states move to ban local cooperation in immigration arrests so Maryland is going to basically ban any of their local law enforcement agencies anywhere in the state from working with ice by for example letting them into jails they're trying to do this in New Mexico in New York in Hawaii in Virginia the only reason to do this is that you want foreign criminals in America and you want you want it for the census and the electoral college congressional seats and voters but it would be so easy for them to say okay just take these criminals and they'll try to divert it that way and oh and then they can complain if they go after someone who hasn't committed any crime besides breaking into this country really correct they could do that but instead they are so fanatical they want the worst criminals here they would pay money to fly them into the country because they did yeah they want Maryland dad to be sipping margaritas in Maryland so but that's not going to happen we're going to get our mass deportations you either cooperate do it the easy way or you do it the hard way um we'd much rather have it the easy way for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com