1455 - Aerimus Lost Wife #2 to Howfing and Now he’s Couple Swapping with Wife #3

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That's 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link and it'll take you right there and get and set you up with a free trial. So anyway, today I have on Hermes. Oh my God, Hermes. I gave him a little bit of a hard time. I think I'm going to edit a lot of my hard times out, but leave some of it in. He's got a super interesting story, by the way, though. He's been married three times and we go through one, two and three first when he cheated on her. He talks about that. Second one. Oh my God, it's a house. A hot wife gone wrong. So many times story. I mean, you just can't believe how many times this guy had issues with the hot wife in situation. He set up with his second wife. He did cop to the fact that he was into guys at some point. And then he wound up because his hot wife got wrong story. Wound up with them being Polly wound up with his high school sweetheart. And they are currently together and she is also swinging with him. They are like not going to clubs or anything, but they're doing like couple swaps. And things are pretty good there. He's been with her for a year. I mean, in a weird way, you got to like give this guy credit. He's got like three women that have done like all kinds of like interesting hangs with him because the first one that he cheated on Wait till you hear about like what she wanted at the end of that relationship and what she was doing. It's very interesting. All of his stories are interesting. I do give him a little bit of a hard time at the end. I want people to chime in and tell me if you're on his side or my side because with this new one, he has some rules that I'm like, what the fuck? I didn't you learn from your previous experience? So you're going to tell me if you think I'm right because he's like, you're not right. And I'm like, I think I am. So I can't wait to see the comments. So keep them coming over on Spotify, but keep them clean and don't say really rude things. I can't air those any kind of curses and stuff and keep them clean so that they can go up and they don't get flagged. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Aaron. Oh, and he's going to send me pics. I'm going to have pics of them over on my Patreon and he's on my discord. He's great. He's really funny. I'm going to be right back on with Aaron mess. This is the strictly anonymous podcast. Strictly anonymous podcast. Hi, Aaron mess. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good. Kathy Kay. How are you? What's with your fucking name? Who picks the name Aaron mess? Is that a cologne? Well, I mean, if you think about it, it's actually one of the three musketeers. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Well, listen, there's for those air miss and I ain't heard an error miss on your show yet. So I figured what the hell I'd try something that yeah, in the beginning, people used to use really funny names like I had King Tut 007, you know, people were like using names like that. So now we got that started again. All right, listen, our mess, you've got a gone wrong story, which I love with a twist in the middle. Like you said, somehow you're wanting to number the people in the story. We're not fucking numbering them. We're just going to talk about them. But we're not using fake names for them either because God knows what other names you're going to pick for them. If you picked Aramis for your name. So let's get started with your story though. Let me just get a snapshot of where you are right now. Okay, are you married because I feel like you're swinging now and everything's fine. Is that correct? What's the end of the story? That is 100% correct. I am married and we are swinging very, very, very happily. Okay. And is this your first and only wife? No, there's two other marriages before that and you're going to follow a theme here. I've heard you talk about it in your state before, but between first wife, second wife, third wife. You're going to catch a theme here. You're absolutely 100% correct. So wife number one was the cheating story. And by the way, wife number three is going to come up several times during this story. So wife number one, everything started fine. You know, you're typical wife number one, right? That's the one you have kids with and that's the one you start family with so on and so forth. You know what I mean? Like everything was, it was fine except this is where the cheating comes in. There were things that were missing. Okay. And I was, I know you've talked about there's different types of cheaters. I was the cheater that cheated because I was missing something. Right. Okay. You had never cheated before. You weren't like a cheater cheater. No, no, no, no, I'm not a, I'm not a like serial cheater. If you want to call him that whatever the hell you want to call him. It was more or less out of neglect. Okay. Item number one, I love to eat pussy. Okay. If I'm on my deathbed and I have 12 hours to live, somebody go get me a case of beer, a pack of cigarettes and bring me all the pussy I can eat. If you were a prisoner and they said, what's your, what do you want for your last meal? That would be it. Yep. Line them up. Line them up. Bring them in one after the other. I don't give a damn. Okay. And you're going to tell me that your first wife didn't want you to go down on her. Oh hell no. Wow. Wow. This is where it gets, this is where it gets really, really, really interesting. Okay. And to follow up with that, she also did not want to get blowjobs. She hated sucking cock. Like blowjobs were like the standard issue like once a year, maybe for an end of the year free, maybe for a birthday, maybe for Christmas. Can I just ask you a quick question? Cause I just wonder why a guy would marry someone like that. Like was she like that when you were dating or did she do like what a lot of girls do? She gives you everything you want. Once she gets the ring, she shows you who you really married. Oh hell yes. I told you, I told you you were correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. When you talked about first, second and third marriages anyway, fast forward a little bit. So I, I couldn't go down on her because she didn't like it. She would never go down on me. So found some other folks that like they enjoyed all the above. So I start cheating, right? And it was, it wasn't because I didn't love my wife. It was just, it just added neglect to be honest with you. And with my job, I'm all over the damn place and overseas and whatnot. So it was relatively easy to be honest with you. I did feel bad about it. Some of the time I really did. So I'm going to fast forward just a touch cause Yeah, that's fine because you have like a whole hot wife thing gone wrong, which is probably like more interesting. Yeah, go ahead. That's what she wanted here. Now. So I'm going to fast forward through this one's just a touch. So first wife, it turns out I'm overseas and she calls me and says, Hey, I'm bi. Oh, and I'm, I'm like, what? So I'm overseas. I'm getting ready to come back. I'm flying almost every night. And she says, Oh, by the way, I have a girlfriend. And I'm like, what? And I'm like, that doesn't make no damn sense. And I come back home. This chick is living with us. Your girl wasn't as vanilla and boring as you thought she was. All right. Yeah. She was cheating on you too. Oh my God, there was cheating on both sides. It's never ending because I was going somewhere. It's like I told you, you know what I did for a living. I mean, I was going all the goddamn time. So anyway, now I have this chick living with us. And I'm like, what? How is this? How does this work? You get it on the action? Basically, there were times where I would get kicked out of my own bedroom so that her girlfriend could sleep in the bed with her. So you weren't allowed to be with the girl. Like the girlfriend was, you weren't allowed to be with the girl. You never got to see them hook up, but they would hook up and she had a free pass to do that. Like you allowed that to go down, but you were not included. You were 100% correct. I was hoping that I was going to get in on it. That's why you put up with it. Yep. That only happened one time and I never actually had sex with the woman. Okay. Like they were going at it and you know, I'm dying to shit out of my wife and like they're going to town on each other. And the whole time I'm like, what? This doesn't make any damn sense. You won't let me go down on you, but you let all these women go down on you. Anyway. So fast forward, my career basically took a toll on marriage. So in the meantime, in the interim when I got divorced and I went nuts, kind of like all guys do, you know, like shit, I'm free. I'm going to go like bang whoever the hell I can bang and have a great time. Yeah. And I did. So eventually I'm in a new place that I've been to many times before and it was super easy to be honest with you. As long as you were decent looking and like, you know what the hell you're doing, it was like fishing a barrel to be honest with you. By this point I'm in my mid 30s, right? And I meet a chick that I thought it was supposed to just be casual. Well, that turned into something more serious and it turned into marriage number two. So we eventually get married. This is the gone wrong story. Are you sitting down? Yeah, I love a gone wrong story. Give it to me. Yeah, sitting down. I got my coffee ready. I'm not going to interrupt. Okay. Tell me your fucking story. Sit down and everybody else pay attention because this is the dumbest shit you could ever fucking do in your life. All right. So I'm getting ready to retire. I have to do all these appointments, right? There's medical shit. There's like a whole kinds of crap going on. Well, eventually I have to go to the mental health folks again from what I did for a living. And eventually I start talking to somebody without my second wife knowing about it because I realized that I had this kink and it was the whole hot wife kink. So I eventually start talking to somebody else about my kink. Yes, it was a woman. And you know, one thing led with the conversations were more or less about like, Hey, did you get laid last night? Did you fuck your wife last night? I'm like, Yeah, actually, we had a great time. And oh, by the way, you know, what did you do last night? Well, I was banging my ex like, Oh, it's fucking awesome. Have a great time. Eventually that led up to her wanting to get together. I was not attracted to this woman. It was just conversation. And like a fucking idiot. I'm like, Sure, we can meet up. Whatever. And so a plan was set in place for us to meet up. I backed out. Because I thought about it. I had an attack of conscience up like, man, I used to No, you just weren't fucking into her. You already said it. If she was hot, you probably would have went through with it. You weren't even attracted to her. You said both. Both. But she was hot. I bet you wouldn't have had an attack of your consciousness. No, I really do think I really do think I would have because I already had everything I wanted at home. Our sex life was fucking phenomenal. And she was amazing. I mean, everything I could have ever dreamed of. Okay, listen, spring is here. Thank God, I totally prefer the warmer weather. But with the warmer weather comes me needing to get together my whole spring wardrobe. And that means you need to get your whole spring wardrobe together too. 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As you can imagine, there was a high order detonation that occurred on the top of her head at that moment. Right. I was asked to leave the room. I did. Like, and it's one of those situations, Kathy, where, you know, if you fuck up, it's better to fess up to it and face the consequences rather than try and lie your way out of it. And then the one lie turns into two turns into three turns at four. And then you got to lie the rest of your damn life. So I'm like, fuck it. I'm caught. I did this. I fucked up. So again, guys, don't fucking do that. That's what I talk to people on an app or not close your app. What do you try to say? Don't do guys do shit like this all the time. So the women that are cheating. Don't give your wife the phone. Talk to people you're not attracted to. Don't you talk to somebody about something you want from your spouse. Talk to your damn spouse. Yes. Okay. That's your point. Okay. That was clear. I'm glad I asked. So anyway, fast forward a little bit and like she comes out, we go in and we talk and she was like, explain this. And I'm like, all right, so I have this, you know, fantasy slash kink. This is also where the twist comes in. So make sure you're sitting down and have your coffee. Yeah. And she was like, tell me everything. So I told her I was like, I want to see you sleep with other people. And I want to watch and I want to be involved. And as long as I know about it, like it's not cheating. Oh, by the way, I'm also orally bisexual. Who said this? I like this. I do. Oh, you never told us that you're telling us that for the first time too. I feel like I'm your wife. I know. I told you there was a twist and there's a little surprise coming. So I tell her everything like, Hey, you know, this is what my kink is. This is my fantasies. And oh, by the way, I really want to suck up. And you can imagine what the first couple of questions out of her mouth were. Yeah. Number one, does this mean you want to sleep with other women? No. Number two, are you gay? No. Listen to Joe Quartz episode for crying out loud. That'll explain it all. That's right. So we get through that. And I'm thinking this is over. Like that's it. I done screwed up again. So she started asking questions about the whole hot wife thing. And at the time I didn't really understand what exactly a hot wife was. But I just knew I had that fantasy. So I started educating myself and for probably the next year. Okay, we started, she said, look, I don't want to go. I want to work this out. I'm like, great. I'm not going to fail at marriage again. Hashtag winning. So for the for the next year, we started to come back together. Okay, we were taking trips. We were talking a lot more. She was telling me a lot more about her past. Turns out she was way more of a slut than I was, like sport fucking on a dare like that type of deal. But over time, she was starting to come around to the idea like I'm kind of interested in this. I need to know more. So we started finding podcasts. That's how I found yours. And, you know, we started sharing that together. Like here, listen to this, you know, this is this is the guy's perspective. This is the woman's perspective. Smart. Yeah. And it, you know, and so she did. And after about a year, man, we were coming home from somewhere. I don't remember where the hell we were in the truck. I almost wrecked it. And she says, Hey, I think I'm ready to try this for real. And I'm like, Oh, okay. Well, what do you want for rules? What do you want for boundaries? What do you want for this? What do you want for that? Because I'd already educated myself, right? And so we started talking about that. And like, what does any good husband do if your wife says, Hey, I want to do this, you're going in 100%. Right. Like, I'm going to make this happen for you. Because as a husband and any other dude out there is going to tell you the same damn thing, three P's apply, you protect, you provide and you please carry it up the end. That's it. That's it. So I start looking and eventually this is, I'm not a fan of AFF, but that was the one that we stumbled upon. And, you know, put in, I showed her the profile. And I put the profile up on AFF. And lo and behold, this dude, I mean, millions showed up. You can imagine how that works for a woman. Like everybody wanted to turn. But one guy in particular stood out. And she was like, Well, I really like this guy. I'm like, Okay, well, let's meet him. Key word, let's meet him. This is where it starts to go wrong. Pay attention. So they set up a meeting to go meet in a public place, which they did three separate times. Are you with her or no? This is where I'm telling you, you got to relax for a second, Kathy. You won't have to ask any questions. I promise you. Okay, good. I'll shut the fuck up. Okay, just tell you. Make my life easy. I love it. I love you. Okay, I really do. But no, I wasn't invited to any of them. Why not? She didn't want me there. He didn't? She did not want me there. And you agreed to that? What was her reasoning? Her reasoning for that was at the time she said, I would feel more comfortable if you're not there. Well, let's go back to the three P's, right? Protect. Oh yeah, we got that. Yeah, you want to be there, but she doesn't want you there. She doesn't want me there. And I'm like, this isn't starting off the right way, but I'll go along with it and maybe it'll work out in the end. Maybe it'll work out in the end. So she goes and meets him and I'm like, please just text me. Let me know you're okay. Let me know when you get there. He gets there. Let me know everything that happens because I want all the goddamn details. Just like any other stag would, right? And so all I get is I'm here. He's on the way. Like four hours later, I'm texting like a fucking mad man. Like, Hey, are you okay? Yeah, right? Yeah, before you get a horny for like what they did, you would need to make sure she's alive. Right. Like exactly. That's that's item number one. Like I'm getting ready to grab a pistol and put it in my waistband. I'm going for a drive. Okay. Somebody's about to get murdered. That's my fuckers. So if your wife wasn't murdered first. Right. Exactly. So that happened and it happened two more times where she was. No, what happened? Four hours goes by and then what happens? They met at a bar, you know, had drinks, talked forever. Yeah, you gotta get a blah, blah, blah. Apparently your phone was in her purse on silent because she didn't want to talk to me. And I'm like, well, this is a team sport. And right now you're making it into a solo sport and I don't really like this. This is a theme. So that happens like two more times where they go out and meet in public and then eventually she was like, okay, I'm ready to do this. Okay. No hooking up in these other times. Correct. Like she tells you those zero hookups. Okay. They're just hanging out talking. As far as I know. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. You see where I'm going with this? As far as I know, there's nothing happening. She tells me there's nothing happening. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. And I'm believing this, right? So eventually she says, Hey, I'm ready to do this. I'm like, okay, well, you know, set up a date, we'll get a hotel room and, you know, we'll go over there. Again, operative word, we will go over there. Day shows up and she was like, Hey, he got the room and here's where it's at. Gave me the address, gave me the room number, everything. And she was like, but I don't want you to go with me. And I'm like, excuse me. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Did you say you don't want me to go with you? No, I don't want you there for my first time. And I'm like, this is already going off the rails. Yeah, totally. I mean, are you sure she didn't plant this guy to respond to your thing because she was already having an affair with him even before you? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, just wait. Okay. It gets better. Okay, keep going. So I'm like, well, I don't know that I'm comfortable with that. Can I at least go sit in the parking lot? And she was like, No, I don't want you anywhere near it. Oh my God. And I'm like, okay, so back to you. You're going from a stag to a cuck real fast in this story. Exactly. Exactly. And this is exactly what I told her. I was like, I'm not the guy that wants to be on the fucking sidelines. Okay, some guys do, but not you. Right. And there's nothing against those guys, man. Have a nut, like enjoy it. Shit. That's just not my thing. So I'm like, all right, I gotta go along with this because she wants to do it and I want to make her happy. And oh, by the way, it's going to fulfill a little bit of fantasy and maybe this could become a regular thing. Yes. So like a fucking idiot, I agree. And like, I had everything ready to go and she's in there getting ready. I go in there to start helping her get ready. Like most guys would, right? And she was like, I need you to leave. Like just, I don't want, I don't want you around me right now. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, okay, this is all going wrong. Right. Anyway, she goes to the hotel. I get like one text message. Hey, I'm here. And then about two hours later, I get a text message. We're still talking. Like four hours later, I get a text message that says I'm on the way home. I'm on the way home. Meanwhile, I have already worn out the goddamn flooring in my house doing laps in that sun bitch. And no offense to you, but like, you know, talking for girls is like four play. She's might as well be in love with this guy. If she's interested in talking to anyone for four hours, that's like, you know, she might as well be. But that's equivalent to banging him in girls world. We're getting there, Kathy. This is the whole goal, gone wrong story. Obviously. So, oh yeah. So that happens and she comes back and I'm like, well, tell me all about it. And of course we do the reclaim thing and like all the details I got were, we showed up, we talked, we fucked for a long time and I came up and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I need a little bit more than that. Give me some details, you know. And she was like, well, that's just what happened. And I'm like, well, fuck my life. All right. So about a week later, he reaches out and says, hey, I want to meet again. And I'm thinking, you know what? I got this house. We have extra bedrooms. Like, why don't you just invite him over here and we can play here. And so she does. And yet again, the day it shows up, she's like, well, I don't want you here. Again. And I'm like, I'm like, and actually, let me back up. Prior to that, she had said, I don't want you there the first time he comes to the house. And I'm like, well, fuck, this is my house. Like, where the hell am I supposed to go? You know, so I was like, well, are you okay if I put a camera in the room and record it? And she said, yeah, that's fine. And we talked to him and he was totally fine with it. Okay. So I set up a camera in the room. They shows up about 10 minutes before he shows up. I get in the truck and I leave. And I'm like, I have no idea where the hell I'm going to go, but it should only be an hour. Kathy, I went through probably six different parking lots. And oh, by the way, I'm watching the video, which they had covered. You're fucking kidding me. No, I'm dead serious. They had covered it. She did. So I'm like, I can hear, but I can't see anything. And by the way, though, if this was, if you were a cock, this would be your dream come true. 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Start for free and finally breathe. It hurts bad coach. How's there in your house? How did you not just bust in? Yes. Financially wise, it just made more sense because we had the extra space and then somebody else leveled it. I'm just saying how do you not go home? I mean, like how did you contain yourself? Okay, hold on one second. We'll get to that. So after I had gone through like six or seven parking lots, which several of them I got run out of. They're like, sir, you've been sitting here for like two hours. Like, can we help you? I'm like, no, it's fine. I was just talking on the phone and like, I'll find go go find a new parking lot. Get run out of that one. Meanwhile, I'm not getting texts. I'm not getting phone calls. I'm not getting pictures. I'm not getting video. I'm getting nothing. Right. Radio silence. And I'm like, this really is not going the way I wanted to. Eventually they uncovered the camera after taking a break and then they went back at it for another two, three hours. And I'm like, okay, when are you all going to be done at this point? Like God name, I was expecting an hour and we're like six hours into this shit, you know? So eventually he leaves. I come back home. We do the whole reclaimed thing. And I expressed her. I was like, Hey, just so you know, I wanted to be included and involved. I explained this to you in the beginning. And right now I feel included, but I'm not involved. This is no fun for me. Yeah. Okay. And she was like, okay, well, next time you can join it. I'm like, okay. Two weeks later, he comes back over. I'm going to fast forward to this because we're going to get to the really good part here in a second. He comes back over and we do have the first threesome. There was only two that I can remember that we actually had a threesome. And I got to suck the cock that I wanted to suck. You know, I was like, Hey, let me, let me suck his cock, you know, whatnot. So we did that. And then I'm trying to remember after that it was basically she told me that she didn't enjoy it. She didn't enjoy the threesome. She just wanted him to herself and I'm like, all right, well, that's not the dynamic I'm looking for. This is, this is starting to suck really, really bad. And I'm voicing all this, right? And I kept telling her, I was like, we need to have some more conversations. Like this, this isn't a one way street. She didn't like that. They saw each other for shit once a month, if not twice a month for the better part of a year. No matter how much you disapproved of it, she didn't care. She kept going and you were like, you didn't believe it. Like say fuck off. Like this is, you didn't stop her. No, at one point she was like, I don't want to do this anymore because you're always upset about it. I'm like, great, let's walk away. It's fine. And then like a week later, like he texts and she was like, Hey, I'm going to go see so-and-so. And I'm like, well, fuck my life. I thought we were done with this. Anyway, better part of a year, at least once a month, if not twice a month. Sometimes in public places, sometimes in a hotel, eventually she actually started doing overnight, which I was not too happy with. What are you like, just the most passive guy that just like, even if you're not unhappy, you like, you just go along like, I understand what's good. Like, why are you allowing this to happen right underneath your face? Oh, no, it's, it's about to get crazy. It's about to get crazy. So about a year later, like she's starting to get distant, right? Like starting to push me away. And I'm like, I'm trying to pull her back in. Oh my God, you don't know anything. I'm trying to pull her back in. I'm like, Hey, you know, I thought we were going to make this work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, like we need to talk. And she was like, no, like whatever. And eventually she brings up the P word, the Polly word. She was like, I want a boyfriend that I can date on the side. You can do the same. And I'm like, what does that mean? And she was like, well, I want to do this. So it just makes sense that you could do it too. And I'm like, and by the way, at the time I'm talking to a therapist. Okay. I'm knee deep and some fucking therapy. And so I'm like, okay. Okay. I, I talked to my therapist therapist about it. The, I think the next day or the day after that. And she was like, well, I mean, if that's what she brought up, you should just try it, but be very careful. Oh, this is why I'm so glad I'm not a therapist. I'd be like, are you a fucking idiot? Just leave this person already. I mean, you're stupid. Therapist can't do that though. They got to just like go with you like this. Stupid, stupid. This goes back, this goes back to me not wanting to fail again. Right? Cause I haven't really, I have a big problem with failure. Although you have to fail to succeed. You don't want to get divorced. Is that what you mean with about failure? Yeah. You want to make this work. Yeah. No matter what, obviously, there had to be some reason for you to stay with this woman after the way she's treating you like a piece of garbage this whole time. Yeah. I'm not going to say anything bad about her. Well, I am. Okay. You go ahead. I'm not going to do that. I'm not that type of person. So anyway, she brings up the P word, the Polly word, and I'm like, okay. And so I started thinking about her to talk about therapist. My therapist was like, yeah, you should do it because that's what she asked you for, but just be careful. So I started going through my mind like who the hell would I do this with? Wife number three. Smart. Thank God, in comes someone to save your day and give you like finally have a good girl in your life. Wife number three. Okay. So and by the way, wife number two, you're absolutely fucking correct, Kathy. It was like wife number one was for kids and a family. Wife number two was where you out kick your coverage and you totally just went way above your head. You know that type of deal. So I'm like, well, she was my high school sweetheart. She lives 26 hours away. We can reconnect, but it's not like I can just leave on a Saturday and go see her and have fun, you know, and then come back because she lives 26 hours away. So I'm like, this is a safe option. So we start talking again, being wife number three. And eventually I woke up one night like she woke me up in the meantime. I'm sorry. I got a backtrack half a second here. At one point she had asked me to like, please just leave. I need a break. Can you please just leave? And I'm like, screw it. I'll go home. I'll go to mom and daddy's house. I got plenty of family up there and why is she the one sick of shit? Like what was she sick of? I don't even know this. She in my personal opinion, okay. She did not want to be in a long-term relationship. She was looking for every avenue to get out of it. And this was giving her an offer amp. And when I left for a month, okay, stable family friends up north. And I asked her one simple question. I was going for a month. Mind you, Kathy, when I walked back in the door, I asked her one simple question. I said, did you miss me? And she said, actually, no, I didn't. And I looked right at her. I looked right at her and said, it's time for you to look at alternate living situations because this isn't going to work. I mean, she's been kind of telling you that to your face for a very long time. And the sad thing is, is like, listen, one thing you got to give her credit for, she's always been straight up honest unless she was always cheating on you. I feel like this guy was a plant. Maybe she was dating him before you. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Well, after I told her that, you know, I came back out, I came, I left the house again. And I was outside. She was inside and we ended up talking until like four o'clock in the morning. And she was like, no, I do want this to work. And I'm like, all right. Well, oh, by the way. In the meantime, she knew that when I left for that month, I was going to see wife number three, who would eventually be wife number three, my high school sweetheart. She knew that. Okay. So, and we did. We hooked up. Fucking phenomenal. It was amazing on the top of a mountain under a campfire. Oh, Jesus Christ. It was all night long. It was fucking epic. Anyway, I come back home. Like I said, did you miss me? No. Okay. Well, fine. Get out. I don't want to do this anymore. And then she kind of changed her tune. Like, no, let's make this work. You know, I'll adjust and so on and so forth. She ends up seeing one more guy that I was there for once. She saw him again after that by herself. And meantime, she's still seeing the first guy that she hooked up with. And of course, I knew all about this. So I was, I was included, but again, I'm not involved. This isn't my thing. I want to be involved. So eventually she breaks it off with the number two guy still seeing number one guy. And then she meets a third guy. This is where it goes off the fucking rails. She starts seeing him. And when I say I was being put at arm's length, that's to put it mildly. There might as well be a 10 foot hole between us. And I'm trying to get back closer. I'm trying to like move in closer. They start seeing each other. I'm convinced she fell in love with the dude. Because after about, I don't know, two, three months of her seeing him, I just told her straight up. I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. It's either stop everything right now or we're going to be divorced. And lo and behold, she was like, well, I'm not stopping anything. I'm like, okay, you love him. I want her divorce. I asked her for a divorce. In the meantime, I'm still talking with soon to be wife number three, because we were still really good friends and we talked a lot back and forth, you know, just as friends and, you know, obviously we were fucking anytime we could. But again, she's 26 hours away. So it's not like that was happening every day. And so I divorce wife number two. Finally. Oh my God. I can't believe how long you've stayed with her. You're a little bit of a doorman. Yep. Yep. Again, I'm not going to say anything bad about people because I'm not the type of person. I am the nice guy that finishes last, but lo and behold, I actually, I'm the nice guy that won and that's what we're going to get to next. Yes, finally. Let's get to the good girl. Yeah. Because this girl was treating you like shit. No offense. I mean, really. She was. She really was. And you know, I'm holding out hope like it could change. That's a women like that. You know, yeah, maybe next time it'll be better. Maybe it'll change next time. No, it sure as shit didn't. It was horrible. Yeah. Anyway, so we ended up getting divorced. Well, we were separated for quite a while and in the separation, wife number three takes a job like 20 minutes away from me. And I'm like, what? Well, why don't you just stay here? Like you don't have to get a new place. You know, it's expensive down here. And it's funny. So I'll tell you where I live here in a minute. You'll find it hilarious. And I'm like, why don't you just come here? And she was like, are you sure that's okay? I'm like, yeah, come on down. Fuck it. So I literally drove up to where she was at, packed her up, packed up the trailer and drove all the way back down with her. And you know, we're talking, we're getting back together so on and so forth. Typical wife number three, right? Like as you, I won't say typical, but as you put it, the first one is for family. The second one is for like looks and a wild time. The third one is the one that you're meant to be with. Yeah, there you go. A lot of times, third time's a charm. I love those kinds of stories. You never know. Yes. This is a no shit X rated hallmark movie is what this is. So my high school sweetheart comes down, we started getting back together and we're living together at this point and she's got a daughter. So the daughter's living here as well and everything's going absolutely great. And in the meantime, when I was separated from number two, okay, when I told her I wanted to divorce, I started being the third for other couples. Interesting. That's an interesting thing. Yeah. I'm not a fan of the like the bull term. Like I get it and like I have nothing against it, but I prefer to just like, hey, I'm just going to be your third. That's where it is. And I saw shit three or four couples in that time. And the funny thing is I'm talking to number three, just telling her about it. And she was like, well, I want to hear all the details. And I'm like, okay. So I tell her broad stroke detail. She's like, no, I want to know everything. Did you suck his cock? Did you fuck her? Where did you come? Like everything, all the details that I was looking for from wife number two, she was asking me for and I'm giving it to her. I'm fairly goddamn certain she was down there double clicking that mouse of hers. Like she was looking for the end of the goddamn internet and she loved it. And she was like, I want to hear more. Well, right before she moved down, I met another couple and they came over, we hooked up and we kept in contact and she was like, well, can I talk to him? I'm like, absolutely. This is where the story changes for the better. So she starts getting on the group chat and she's talking with them as well, both the husband and the wife. And from a distance at first, and I had already hooked up with these folks, she knew about it. And so she's talking to him for probably goddamn, maybe a month, something like that. And so she moves in and she was like, well, hey, when are we going to go meet so and so and so and so. And I'm like, you want to get into this lifestyle? And she was like, yes, this sounds fun. I'm like, okay. So we go over the rules and boundaries and they're very simple rules and boundaries, Kathy, no anal, no emotions. That's it. And what about I have to fucking be there? Did you add that to the rule? I mean, that's the number one. You had no rules. Yes. It was ridiculous. Well, I guess that was implied, but we both agreed. No, this is a fucking team sport. The same goddamn one on one fencing boys and girls. So we were down here. She was down here probably a month before we drove up to meet them. They live about two hours away. And the first time this is the first time she's ever doing anything like this in her life. Okay. And I'm there. I meet them. Everything's good. Walk for maybe an hour, hour and a half, something like that. Just hanging out, having some beers, you know, just shooting the shit and whatnot. Eventually we go inside. And like after we go inside, like the wife is starting to make out with me. He's starting to make out with her. And I'm like, okay, I guess we're kicking it off this way. Before I know it, her damn clothes are off and I'm still making out with the dude's wife and I look up and they're gone. I'm like, oh, okay. And I look down. There's a pile of clothes on the floor and I looked at the other girl. I looked at the wife and I was like, I guess we should go join. And she goes, yeah, let's go. So we go into the bedroom. I walk into the bedroom to the most amazing sight I've ever seen in my life. Walk around the corner into the bedroom and she's on her knees blowing this guy. And I'm like, yep. Right. Finally. That is amazing. So the wife starts helping her blow the guy and I'm like, well, you know, by the way, this is also where I'm going to tell you your whole theory about by guys in the swinging community. Yeah. I'm about to debunk it. Awesome. I love it. Go. She's blowing him. Me and his wife go in, see that she starts helping him blow him. I'm like, well, fuck, I want some too. So we're giving him a three way blow job. Okay. And then this is the first time she has done anything like this. And before I know it, I'm going down on the wife. I look over and she's riding that pony like a fucking rodeo bronc rider. I'm like, oh, damn. I'm working all over the place. She's having a great time screaming moaning. I'm like, this is, this is fucking perfect. So me and the wife, obviously we hooked up and you know, side by side play. It wasn't like a separate rooms or anything like that. So what he me and his wife hooked up and obviously my wife and him hooked up and she had a fucking great time. We left and for about the two hour ride home, that's all she talked about. I'm like, good, I'm glad you had a great time. She was like, when do we get to see him again? Right. I'm like, well, we'll set up a, you know, we'll talk to him, you know, scheduling wise, you know, we do have a kid at home. You know, we're going to schedule these types of things and she was like, okay, but when we see them again, how soon do you think it could be before we find another one? I'm like, what? Crazy. She gets on the app with me and right now we're using field. I have used S.D.C. fun fact boys and girls that are listening. Kathy Kay has a code to get a three path to S.D.C. Yeah, the code is 37712. I've used it. You'll get a wonderful welcome message from her inviting you onto the show. It works. It's fine. Anyway, so we get on a field and lo and behold, she finds another couple and we start talking to them and we meet, do a meet and greet like we always do because that's the key. Do a meet and greet and then we didn't play that night. Like two days later, they're like, Hey, when can you guys come over? And I'm like, okay, what? Talked to her with her and she was like, well, let's go this weekend. I'm like, okay, let's go. Something came up and she wasn't able to go and she was like, you go see them. I'm like, okay. You want me to go check it out? Make sure everything's like on the level and she was like, yeah, I think I'd be more comfortable with that. I'm like, okay. So I go see them by myself. It wasn't two days later before all four of us were fucking. And by the way, the second husband, yep, or orally by. What I say about the lifestyle is not that they don't, there's no by guys in it. It's that in the club, nobody will cop to it and it's not allowed. It doesn't mean that separately all these guys are by no one's going to do it out in public. That's all thing. And they barely put it in their profiles and stuff like that. But people will say across the board, it's not like none of these guys are into it. You just can't because they're still a stigma. You're not doing this at Swinger clubs. You're doing this privately. So of course that shit to go down. Oh, we've been with three couples so far, every single one of them, all of them are by now. She is not a hundred percent by. She'll let anybody go down on her just like any woman would, you know, and she'll make out with women. She'll caress women, all that good stuff. The last couple we were with, which was two weekends ago, I felt bad. And this is a common theme in the lifestyle as well where the guys can't really perform. And I don't know if it was stage fright because we were new or something. And by the way, she is also the first one to get back it. My wife is she's like, nope, we're getting this started right now. And I'm like, well, shit, I guess I got to go to work. All right. Game on. So like that couple, I felt really bad for it. Really cool people. Everybody that we've met so far in this community. Oh my God, they are some of the most amazing people I've ever met. My wife will say all the time. It's great. Yeah. How long you've been together with this? Yeah. How long you've been together with this woman, this wife? We've been living together for a year. We've been married less than a month. We've known each other for 30 years. So what? So you've been with her just for a year. So there have been no red flags in this situation. Correct? None. Okay. None. Did you learn, can I ask you something? Cause your therapist is not going to say this shit to you, but you need to hear it. Like, did you learn from your last marriage, like how to sort of speak up for yourself and have your knees met and situations like this? Because you weren't being treated fairly at all. Your needs were not being met. You were made to me to feel like, you know, like what was happening was not good. And you didn't really, you know, sort of stand up for yourself or probably really express how you felt about what was going on. You just allowed it to happen. You know, you happen to be, it sounds like with a really fucking cool woman at this point, but like, you know, just make sure to, you know, create your boundaries. I mean, I think it's very rare that you get someone as cold as your ex-wife. Sorry. She sounds cold, like the way she treated you. Unless you was just the way you told the story, but, you know, everything she did was like a big fat no-no in the lifestyle. So, you know, just it sounds like this one is the complete opposite and it's all good. But, you know, I just hope that you learn from that to never like be a doormat in your relationship again. It's really funny. You say doormat. Sorry. The last there, I went through five different therapists. Yeah. Maybe six. Yeah. Because I kept getting told, you need to go fix yourself before we can fix us. So I would go to one, I would tell him like, Hey, this is my backstory. This is my what's going on there. Like, there's nothing wrong with you. I'm like, well, no, I was told there's something wrong with me. So I'm going to the next one. So I go to the next one. Like there has to be something wrong with me because I'm being told constantly there's something wrong with me. The last therapist I saw was the last one I've seen. I still have her number and I would absolutely reach out to her again. But she just basically looked at me and said, you need to stop being a doormat. Right. And I was like, and that could come from having something wrong with you or it could just be that, you know, you're like that type of personality type. You know, everyone we're all different. Some people are people pleasers, codependent and, you know, and some people are the opposite and those typically like go together, you know, a codependent person that's overly nice will typically wind up if there's issues with somebody that will treat them like shit and take advantage of them and they put up with it. Yeah. And I guess I was that person for a long time until I realized it. And when she told me that, I was like, you know what? God damn. Sorry. I'm about done being a fucking doormat around here. Yeah, you had it. No, that's good. And I mean, thank God it winds up a happy story at the end. I'm living my life right now. We're full swap swingers and everybody we've been with is like buy on both sides. And it's it's fucking amazing. She loves watching me with guys. I love watching her with guys. She loves watching me do what I do. Like she's my biggest cheerleader. She'll be cheering me on while I'm banging the shit out of somebody like, oh, yeah, baby, I know what you're doing right now. Keep going. Yeah. Do it this way or do it that way. I'm like, well, fuck my life. All right, I'm trying. Yeah, it's kind of amazing that you did find like, you know, without really like looking for it. If you look at your history, you did find three women that were very open to a lot of alternative stuff. Even the first one who was very supposedly vanilla didn't want anything. I mean, at the end of the day, she wanted to be Polly and she was getting, you know, she was having a girl live with you at the same time. So you've had like a lot of guys, a fantasy scenarios with three different women. You know, a lot of guys would love to get girls that would be down with any of these things. You've three of them have been down with like lots of things. You know, it's kind of interesting. One thing I've learned is you never know until you ask. Yeah, I guess. Well, you didn't ask the first one she found. Okay. So, you know, oh, by the way, you don't know if you're going to like it until you try it. Totally. That's very true. And if you try it and you don't like it, well, that's off the table. Right. But if you try it and you're like, oh my God, I really like this. Well, shit, do it again. Yeah. You know, I'll try anything twice is what I always say. So if you try something once in this case, my wife, you know, both of us were cheaters. She cheated a lot. And we talked about it and we were like, you know what, both of us have been cheaters in the past. No more cheating. Like you have a free pass to go see any dude that you want. And I can see a couple. If I find one, but like I could be a third for a couple, but she's not quite to the point where she's okay with me seeing like just women by myself. Can you just keep the solo play out of your this thing? No, it's just don't do it. You and your stupid. You're saying you said it 80,000 times. This is a team sport. No, no, what are you? You have this whole saying you kept saying 10,000 times. And now you're saying, let's change the sport. Let's do solo play. Why are you doing that? Keep it fucking just together. Because together. Because finally I have somebody in my life. You don't know what happens. No, no, no. Think of this as a team. Okay, good. It is good. Okay. So, but stop bringing it up that you wanted solo that you could go play. But it's on the table, but I'm not. It shouldn't be on the table. Your history. She's not ready to be ready. You shouldn't be ready to do that. Look at your history. You're still a doormat. Don't bring that up in your relationship and don't play solo. Okay. You're ready. Got burned. What are you crazy? I can assure you I will never be a doormat again. Yeah. Okay. Call me into two years. Okay. Please just do me a favor. I'm gonna have to go. Do, do not put solo play on the table. How do you have you not learned? You just trust this one. It's been only a year. Don't, don't put it on the table. She doesn't even want it. Why would you do it? You got so burned in the past. You literally allowed your wife to in front of you fall in love with some other guy and not give a shit about you. Willingly, just letting her do it. And now you want to go off and do your own thing and let her go off. Why would you do that with your story, with your history? It doesn't make any sense. Keep it a team sport. Like you said, don't have it on the table. Keep it off. Do your team sport. Fuck the solo sport. That's a whole different ball game. And a lot of times it doesn't end well. End of story. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Don't do it. And your girl doesn't even want it. It, this should be about you two together. If she's not into that, she's not into it. That's a whole separate thing that a lot of times the only way that's done. Okay. Is, you know, when people have done it for a long time, they eventually do that. But like a lot of times it ends in problems. Sorry, I hate to say it. I always feel a little nervous when people solo play, especially with your history. Oh my God, just do it together. You only been together a year, you know, do play together for five years and then play solo, take it off the table. Okay. We may eventually get their house. Yeah. Okay. You're going to do whatever you want to do. Obviously, you don't listen to anybody. But, you know, I just hope that doesn't go, you know, well, actually for my show, I hope you do call back with another gone wrong story. And I could be like, I wouldn't say I told you so. I'd just hear you out. But, you know, if I were you, okay, I wouldn't do the solo play, but listen, Artemis or Artemis or Aramis? Thank you, babe. Artemis or Aramis? Or Aramis. I was going to go with Aramis. It is Aramis. Yeah. Listen, Aramis, does your wife know you're calling in or no? She does. Okay. So listen, listen, wifey. Keep that. You're the smart one in this relationship. Don't let him play. Don't let the solo play take place in your guy's relationship. You're the right one. You're right to not be into it and you want to do it together. Okay. Don't let him take the lead in this one. But if you want to send me in picks of you and your wife anonymous picks for my Patreon, you can. I always say, are rated, nothing x rated. And then you'll get access to my Discord and you could do whatever you want over there. I'm already on your Discord because I've got the book for her. Oh, you're so nice. That's awesome. Yeah. And, and yes, we've already talked about the pictures. So you'll get those. If not today, maybe tomorrow. Okay. I appreciate your time. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. Yes, please. And wait, do you see my editing skills? I'm going to edit me talking a lot, but I'm not going to edit out the stuff at the back at the end when I yell at you about solo play. Well, I wish you wouldn't yell at me. I don't like being yelled at, but in this case, I think you're a little bit wrong. Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. I think you'll be surprised. I'll call back in like a year or two and you'll be like, holy fuck. What do you think I'm wrong about? You, you plates? Okay. I'm not even going to get into it. Let's let the audience chime in. People like can't stand my opinions. They're going to be on your side. People love to trash me. So don't worry about it, but there's going to be some smart people out there. It's going to be trash. And you can't think that's okay. I don't, I can take it. I get it all the time. But what I'm going to say is that any smart person out there is going to fucking agree with me. Okay. But let the, let the, let the comments come in. Okay. We'll see. And you'll get, I'll give you a, a one month access to my page. And so you can see the comments because people will be talking about this one. This is like the time episode. A lot of people talk about. So make sure to check out the comments and make sure to get me the pictures sooner than later. Okay. Cause it'll either be up next Tuesday or the following. Okay. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you, Matt. All right. Aaron mass. Thanks for calling in. Hopefully your next哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 Thanks, Aramist. Thanks for calling and I love your story. Alright, bye. Bye. Bye. When life gets hectic, energy ups and downs are all you need. If you're seeking energy reassurance, Eonnext can help. From regularly updating our tariffs to get you our best value, to SmartTek that helps you take control of your energy future, we're here for whatever's next. Just one of the reasons why we're rated excellent on TrustPilot by our customers. Find out more about how we can help at Eonnext.com. Eligibility and T's and C's apply. TrustPilot February 2026. Oh, it's bad. What? What would the people do it? May. Thought you'd be into it, Sam. What, me? No, that's deeply offensive. 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