Storming the Silence - Dave Foley and the Fight for UAP Transparency

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Like who would believe that, like how many say thousands of intelligence operatives were hazed into believing that there were UFO programs and they somehow managed to retire without ever being disabused of this prank and lived their lives in fear of incarceration or death. As a comedian, one thing I know about pranks is they're no good unless you tell the person you pranked. That crazy Area 51 story was a good one too. That was a good prank is that the Air Force officer handed out some fake UFO photos to a bar owner and that's what started that whole story going. Yeah, and everyone knows the reach that a bar owner in the middle of the desk. I saw them trying to set up the foundation that anybody that comes for as whistleblower now can't be trusted because they were just hazed. That's what I saw. I'm also curious, how did they go around hazing military officials in every other country on earth? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Russia, Brazil, Chile, Congress. I mean, that's what's happening in September and there's been a lot of stuff going on. I've seen little posts here and there and I do want to bring up a couple of things. The first and foremost is Senator Rounds should ask to see Lockheed's plant B6 complex in Burbank, California, 2300 Empire Avenue. And then I would like them, you know, maybe he should ask to see Northrop Grumman's plant 42 in Palmdale, which is 3520 East Avenue M Street. I mean, look, the addresses are there. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell. Jeremy, how you doing? Pretty good, Matt. How you doing? Well, good. You can see I'm lounging on the beach in Fiji. I'm waiting for them to deliver me a Mai Tai. I told you I was off this month, right? You did. Here I am. Yeah, you're here. I'm telling me you were off this month. Yeah. I'm having a great vacation, doing weaponized. Fiji looks a lot like my office, doesn't it? You could get one of those backgrounds, so at least it looks like you're in Fiji with us. Yeah, man. Look, you know what you signed up for. You made friends with me and I'm going to pull you when I can. So here we are. Just when I think I'm out, you know that line. So a lot of stuff percolating. It's going to be a big September. So we thought we might get together and talk about a couple of things that are going on and people we've been talking to in advance of, I think, as you described before the storm. What is going on? What do you want to talk about? Yeah, so there's just been a lot that's been going on. The last time we were kind of doing more of the current and up-to-date episodes, I want to remind people we obtained and released Air Force footage. It was a passive capture of what they called a disc UAP that is now out into the public. People have had a chance to look at it, analyze it, do FOIA requests, that sort of thing. Again, this is still currently classified as a UAP and a disc. And it was just one way for us to show people what our government sees as a UAP. And then lo and behold, the next week to remind people, Dustin Slaughter had this huge win. The journalist Dustin Slaughter, he had done this. He basically sued the United States Air Force and sent calm and all these people and he's like, give me footage of UAP. And sure enough, he got the Mosul Orb and it was exactly like you and I described. I mean, people said it was a pot hole and all this weird stuff. But clearly what we described was correct. And now the public gets to have it and gets to analyze it. I've seen a lot of analysis on it. Again, it's defined UAP currently to this day. That is why they gave it to Dustin Slaughter when he asked and sued the government for military filmed UAP footage. So those things happen, which was kind of neat. It's great to have a FOIA warrior who is willing to go to the mats. Finally, we got somebody who knows about FOIA, who will go all the way to get this kind of information. It's great, huh? Yeah, litigation, man. And you know what? It's the tip of the spear. I do believe that within about a week, you're going to hear some more success that Dustin Slaughter has had. And it's just a game of inches, inch by inch. I really think he's doing it right. He's exemplary. He's helping other people that get kind of stuck in the FOIA process that I've connected him to. So I'm really looking forward to see what fruits that yields. Yeah, I got a lot of people reached out and said, hey, I want to join the effort. And I sent those on to Dustin. I hope he's putting together a good team who can help him. I know that there are hints of some other object. A spectacular kind of an incident that is being pursued. How far do you want to go and describe to that? Oh, it's not my position to do it. We'll wait for Dustin to get there. And I'm sure that we will interview him about it. Again, it's a new piece of evidence that Dustin will go forward with. So one of our favorite people in the world, you and I, is Dave Foley, an actor, comedian. He's been around. He was initially pretty skeptical about the UFO topic. And then he kind of came around. He changed things. We got to spend some time with him at that infamous event up near Area 51, Storm 51. And actually, I've interviewed him on this program before. Long time listeners of Weaponized might recall that we interviewed him one time from the set of this TV show where he was wearing an iPad. He was getting made up at the time we talked to him. Remember that one? I do. It was great. Yeah. We had a chance to sit down with him up at the Weaponized Cabin, way up in the snow level. Up there a couple of weeks ago. It was right after all the unrest in LA and around the country. A lot of things were going on. Sat him down to sort of catch up with him what's going on in his life and talk about UFO issues where his head is on some of the current events. And we recorded. I think we should play that. And then I want to get back to what's going to happen in September. So let's play the Foley interview and come back to what's going to happen in September. This is my good friend and brother, the infamous David Foley. He was a UFO skeptic and he talked so much shit about UFOs in his comedy. He thinks he's funny in his comedy that, you know, after he saw one, then I said, you got to repent. You got to repent. This is part of his repenting process. Dave Foley, do you have UFO fatigue? What's going on? I wrote one, one anal probe sketch. In 1990. And you're still paying for it? Yeah. Yeah. I'll make it. And I, yeah. And I was not a skeptic about UFOs. I just wasn't as deep as I am now. I believe they were real. Would you say that falls deep now? And now, oh my God, I'm drowning. Will you introduce the actual guest of Why We're Filming? Oh, the real, yeah, sorry. Everybody, this is Joey Ramone. He's a, he's some sort of a dog. Science is mystified by what kind? But this is my dog, Joey. Does Joey believe that the LA rioters, that is they say? Well, Joey and I have been out reporting on the streets for, for Instagram. And yeah, we are recovering just how horribly dangerous it is out there. On the day we are recording LA's and flames, am I correct? And look at their bomb exploded there? Yeah. You know, I mean, you know, that, I mean, a lot of the stuff is going on in my old neighborhood downtown. I used to live fourth in Maine, just down the street from city hall. And I'm looking at it. And I'm going, I can't recognize that neighborhood. You're being sarcastic. Yeah. Because when I lived there, there was not three Waymo cars on fire. So yeah, it's a disaster. It's beyond any human, any human understanding. And I just, I guess I just want to say to the people who own the company, Waymo, my heart's with you. So the line about this LA situation and the line about UFOs is. Yeah, yeah, there's no, yeah, this like, I said, like, man, when, when, when the Lakers won the championship, there was far more damage in downtown Los Angeles than this. And I've been, I've been in pretty much every huge protest in LA going back to the Clinton administration. I marched against, when Clinton wanted to bomb, Iraq, I went up and marched. And if you remember, he didn't bomb Iraq, you're welcome. And I, and then when, when George W. Bush wanted to bomb Iraq, I marched again. And apparently not hard enough. But I was part of, you know, you know, I was out there for the Black Lives Matters protest. I was out there for, you know, hands up, don't shoot protests and all of that. And literally tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people marching in LA. And without natural guard, without US Marine Corps. US Marines. Yeah. You know, without a bunch of idiots shooting rubber bullets at journalists. So yeah, things are fine. I'll think a rubber bullet would be way better than a real one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, that's horrible, man. But again, now it's nice to take a break from that and just help to dispel the, the horrible stereotype that Ufology is all a bunch of old white guys. Back in the mists, the dawn of time, you were on one of the earliest weaponized episodes. Yes. And then there is another episode where we called you in a desperate moment and you were on the set of Fargo. Yes. You're had an eye patch in the makeup trailer, getting ready for a scene. That's not on video though. We don't have that. No, just, just audio. Yeah. And that was, that was during, as you call it, the balloon up, Balloon of Pelusa. Yeah. During the Chinese balloon nonsense. Yeah. I wish we had that video because it's classic now that you went on in this series in Fargo. That was a memorable character, a very successful season for that. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. It was Danish graves. Danish graves, that's right. So, you know, we've had a chance to have a lot of conversations about UFOs on this program and then privately. It just would be in friends and you guys had a sighting not too far from the cabin here, up in the mountains, right? Yeah. After I'd done the first, after, yeah, after the first time I'd been on, on, Well, what are the names? the weaponized, some of you guys. Yeah. Then hanging with Jeremy and we, yeah, yeah, we saw a, a very distinctly, a large, orangey, gold craft. You were in, you were in by that point. Oh yeah. Yeah. How did it, did it reinforce what you already thought, but did it change it in any way? Well, I'm part of it was that feeling of, oh no. Now people are just going to say, oh, he's only saying this because he's a UFO, not a cleansing scene of UFO. But yeah, I, yeah, I did definitely, it removed any lingering doubt I had that this was real. You know, when you see something like the thing we saw in this, you know, I remember, you know, and this, you know, it's the case when you, you know, you describe it. Like you remember someone said, well, what you probably saw was the interior lighting of the wheel well of a passing jet. I'm going, well, I think I would have heard the jet part. You know, and, but it's like, so you get all these insane explanations. We've been talking, of course, for years about, you know, the idea that the closer you get to the goodies, the truth, physical evidence, the harder the pushback becomes. And it seems like now we're in the empire strikes back kind of phase of this thing, because there is pushback propaganda, journalism organizations, that get sucked into this to report for whatever reason, there's nothing to it. It's all explainable. A former government officials who've worked in these investigations programs, supposedly investigations that explained it all the way, discredit witnesses, discourage whistleblowers, dismiss physical evidence, visual evidence. Maybe your, give me your take on that. Do you think that the, beyond just the UFO public, that the general public is in danger of saying, I'm walking away, it's all nonsense? Or is there a broader acceptance that something really is going on, going on, and we're not going to accept the bullshit explanations for it? Well, I think there's a real, I call it a psychological vested interest in a lot of people. And, and sadly, particularly amongst journalists, who if you give them any sliver of an out, any tiny grain of, no matter how ludicrous it is, of an opportunity to not think about this, then that's what they'll do, because, you know, because those are the people that the Robertson panel has worked on the best. They're, you know, and it's, and again, I go back to Noam Chomsky's talk about manufacturing consent, you create, you don't have to censor, you don't have to monitor, because all you have to do is create an environment where people will censor themselves, and monitor themselves. And that's what they've done. They create the environment where only crazy people talk about UFOs. And so then, you know, and usually the easiest people to manipulate like that tend to be intellectual elites. So, and then they, then that just sort of trickles down to the rest of the population. So I think, yeah, like what, like that Wall Street Journal thing, you know, you didn't, you didn't need any evidence to debunk it. You could just read what they wrote and go, that's crazy. Like who would believe that, like how many, say thousands of intelligence operatives were hazed into believing that there were UFO programs, and they somehow managed to retire without ever being disabused of this prank, and lived their lives in fear of, of, of incarceration or death, you know, you know, for the rest of their lives. All because of a prank. And I, as a comedian, one thing I know about pranks is there's no good unless you tell the person you're pranked. Like it's just no point in it. It's a great point. Yeah. If you don't say to the people, there's no UFOs after the prank, then you didn't do the prank right. 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And other than that, like, you know, maybe a few hundred people that live within the next, you know, several hundred square miles. Well, I'll tell you, if you really wanted to discourage attention on say, an airplane that's being tested out there, that was invisible radar, the great way to get the Russians and the public to not look at it is to say, we've really got flying saucers, anti gravity, and that's alien tech, because nobody's going to pay attention to that. They'll just walk away from that. Yeah. Well, the thing is, a lot of people don't know that when they were testing the YouTube bomber, they would dress it up as a flying saucer. And they would force it to fly right angle turns at Mach 5. Yeah. The YouTube looks just like a flying saucer. Yeah. That's why people would see it hovering over their house and landing in schoolyards. Oh, damn, look, that looks like an alien. And it's like people say, well, you know, there's tons of dark programs. And yeah, there are. But every single thing that's come out of every dark program, every aircraft that has come out of it has been an incremental improvement on what the Wright brothers flew and operates on the exact same physics that the Wright brothers mastered. Plus, eventually, we get to know about it. Yeah. So a program that's a crashed vehicle in Roswell, we should know about it by now if it was ours. You know? And the, even the Tic Tac, 21 years ago. Yeah. And if, and if we've had craft that can defy gravity and fly it, you know, 30 times the speed of sound and, you know, could get us to Mars and the moon in seconds, it's really irresponsible that we've been putting human beings on top of giant chemical rockets. Like the Challenger? Yeah. That was a really irresponsible thing to do. And we wouldn't have needed NASA. We wouldn't have needed even the atomic program, you know, if we had tech like this. You know, I wish we did. I got kind of sad when I found out that we don't. And if we do, it's super rudimentary, reverse engineering. To get kind of serious here, I'm really pissed by that article for a specific purpose. So they said, Oh yeah, we've had people come in, or maybe this is the interview with, you know, interim director Tim Phillips, but he was like, Oh, we've had people in really scared for their lives, or they're revealing something secret, but it was a hazing thing. Bullshit. Because the people that test by in front of Congress, they're not all saying the same story. You know, we know about hazing stuff that goes on in military. You could play a joke on somebody, then you let them know it's a prank. We're talking about people with different sets of information, testifying in front of Congress, and the people who haven't yet publicly testified, but that we know went to arrow and exposed to them certain reverse engineering programs with high detail of energy sources and that kind of thing at different locations. They're not repeating the same hazing story. They're telling them things that they've had their break lines cut over this issue, that kind of thing. We're going to hear more about that soon, but I'm just saying, if it was like one hazing thing, then everybody would have a similar story. That's not the case. And these people's lives, they are afraid, and they should be afraid for what they've been exposed to, even if it was spillage. So that really made me mad. Because if I'm them, and I'm watching this, how arrow comes out and does this, they're mocking what I have gone through links to go and talk to the government about. So it really, that really actually made me angry that they would put people in that position and kind of mock that they've just been hazed when we know that's not the case. And if most of what's in that article is true, there's a lot of people that should be being rounded up and tried and thrown in prisons right now. So where's that story? Where's the follow-up on that? Is the Wall Street Journal going to cover investigation into the people who did these hazings, the people who perpetrated this information on the public or legal legal service members? Right. It's a throwaway piece of shit, garbage thing. I mean, sure, I'd hate somebody too about Yipos if I had any knowledge. And I'd also like, certainly, the notion that they could truck in, the Mountstrom Air Force base, that you could truck in a huge amount of equipment, pour concrete to stand it up on. And I'm guessing, I've been out by Area 51 with you guys. There's signs there that say lethal force is authorized if you go beyond this point. And you're by a nuclear base. But I'm guessing those signs are somewhere around Mountstrom Air Force base. Right, right. Or Oscar flight, I was told, it's just away from... Yes, but... Nuclear silos. Where the nuclear silos are, I'm guessing. And it's not like Mountstrom's the only incident. That's my point. So they take one thing, it's like with the debunkers, they take one thing you can focus on, it's round. So it must be the sun. They take one thing to explain away all of the nuclear stuff. It's so preposterous on its face value. But it does its job with people who never look deeper than an inch. Yeah. Which is most people. You know, I remember CIA historian in the mid 90s comes out with this ridiculous assertion that about 50% of all UFO cases from the 50s and 60s was us. It was our spy planes. We're talking about the... You too does not look like a flying saucer. It does not hover over people's homes. Saucers have been reported. It doesn't land in backyards and stuff. And they said, yeah, it's true. It's us. It's you too. It's the SR-71. Planes that were created to not be seen by us. I can see there might be some cases where commercial pilots or cargo planes flying way high up see something go whoosh. But you know, those planes were not... They were tested at E-51, but not based there. People don't see those things take off from Guam or, you know, the far off bases that they were. They don't see them in the air. The Russians would see them in radar, but couldn't reach them. Those weren't... There's no possible way that they were responsible for 50% of all UFO sightings in those years. And there were some pretty good studies done by the likes of Bruce McAvue who said, show us an example of one case where you too was mistaken for a UFO. It didn't happen. It was a preposterous thing to say 50%. Now they're saying basically all of them. You know, the claim is all of them are explainable as US tech. Well, where the hell is the crash object from Roswell? You know, that was our tech. That was anti-gravity. When are we going to see that? Or the tech deck or what flew over Washington in 1952 was chased by planes, was seen on radar, and then poof was gone. If that's our tech, when the hell did they break that stuff out? It's ridiculous. What I saw was more of a setup against whistleblowers, like big picture. What I noticed when I watched this is they were setting precedent for saying that anybody that testifies to having any knowledge about UFO stuff, they were just hazed. The thing is it's so disparate. Is that the word? Where it's separate all the different accounts and how people come to us and we get and they get in front of Congress and that kind of thing. It's not one air force hazing thing. They're they're it's so separate all of these accounts and information that come in. But what I saw is I saw them trying to set up the foundation that anybody that comes for as whistleblower now can't be trusted because they were just hazed. That's what I saw. Yeah. I'd love to see an example of a US Air Force officer brought into a special program who was told that story. Signed an IDA. And believed it. Signed an IDA and then believed it for the rest of their career. That does not exist. I can't believe that anyone would would continue to believe that for 30 years after they've been tricked by other guys in their unit or something like that. And they mentioned gravity engine in that as part of the hazing thing. The problem is is that some of the people that actually are scared for the life and I know testified to Arrow because they reported to us when they realized it was a counterintel thing is that it wasn't about that. It was about other things. So it doesn't it just doesn't add up. But I hope that'll be. I'm also curious how did they go around hazing military officials in every other country on earth. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Russia. Yeah. Yeah. Brazil. Brazil. Chile. Mexico. Yeah. I was reminded of something that really did happen to future US Air Force officers. That's the US Air Force Academy in the 1960s. They had a physics textbook that was teaching our best and brightest future officers. This is not hazing. This is not a joke. This is teaching these future Air Force officers. Joint Chiefs of Staff types. And this physics textbook had a chapter on aliens. And it said in the course of your career as an Air Force officer you're probably going to come into contact with us. It said there's four different races that we know of and they've got these incredible technology and it's real. As soon as UFO people found out that that chapter existed. Of course they pulled it out. But that wasn't hazing. That was real. That's what they were being taught. And the last page didn't say psych. Psych. No. You did it. Neener. Neener. I think it's that. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. They pulled that and you actually had a physical copy of that at some point. Which is pretty rare by the way. Well I guess I'm just curious what you're going to do to continue to repent for your probing justice. How long. Whatever you fucker. However. But you know what's next for you. You have a podcast. Right. Yeah. We got the real really with Tom and Dave. Which we were kind of down for about six or eight months. But we're gearing back up. We've got we've recorded a few episodes and we're planning to do some more coming up. Hoping to get you guys back on again. Yeah. And yeah. I mean it's yeah it's kind of for me for me hosting the podcast has been aside from you know possibly maybe dragging a few other people into consciousness about the subject. It's been a really great opportunity for me to meet incredibly interesting people hear amazing stories. And you know an excuse to do it. You know because I don't know. I don't know how I would have had a conversation with Mario Woods. You know. You know speaking of missile silos and UFOs. If I hadn't been doing a podcast. So I'm excited to get back to it. I just know I did the last time I did a show with them. They come to Las Vegas. Dave and Tom need you for like an hour. I can oversee them. It was like two and a half days later. I stumbled out of the hotel suite. Oh my God. You're giving food. No that was yeah not everyone gets that treatment. That had some unexpected consequences that in the future we'll talk about. Yes that will become public soon. Yeah. Very some exciting things happening as a result of that. Please stop. Another morning. Another reminder. There's a gap to be careful of. But maybe it's time to bridge the one between your nine to five and your dream of living life on your own terms. At HSBC we know ambition looks different to everyone. Whether it's retiring early or leaving more for your family. We can help because when it comes to unlocking your money's potential we know wealth. Search HSBC wealth today. HSBC UK opening up a world of opportunity. HSBC UK current account holders only. So you want to start a business. You might think you need a team of people and fancy text skills but you don't. You just need GoDaddy Arrow. 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We were just out there in this field or out on the road in the middle of the countryside surrounded by like orange groves. It was such a beautiful night and again from where we were I could see all the commercial air traffic in the distance and it just seemed like you know here we are you've spent your dedicated your adult life to this and I'm deep into this all of a sudden and that went you know neither of us has ever seen anything. We're lucky to have seen it. And I thought yeah I said this would be a great night to see something and then you 30 seconds later I didn't get to see it come in. I said very funny you should be a comedian to remember that part but anyway I mean look just seeing that but I think we'll talk more about it later but just if you look at your life in retrospect you said the funniest thing last night actually funny I want to repeat it but it was like I've said thousands of fun things. Okay but this was great. So but like you know you look back at things retrospect and the chain reaction of that moment with you and what that did you said to last night to me in Georgia so funny you're like seems like they're micromanaging. I just thought that was really funny. Yeah yeah yeah no it does feel that way I mean yes as a result and again these what we're talking about obliquely will be public soon but it does feel like that moment of you and I because you and I you know I mean I would not have done a podcast if you and I hadn't seen that that craft because we saw it and I thought well look I should talk about this on let's go on Twitter and talk about it because that's in my mind I thought a lot of people see stuff and they're afraid to talk about it and maybe if I talk about other people will feel less afraid or or at least feel less crazy or less alone and yeah and so I got on and what happened was like like literally thousands of people started interacting with me and telling you they're telling their experiences some very similar to ours so similar craft well that's similar but the similar experience like to me like that similar experience of talking about it of the talk about it shows up and then and then feeling like the craft was interacting with us in a way that it was you know like that they felt like uh like their responses felt didn't feel normal didn't feel like they were responding properly but then you were that you were responding properly to what you were saying yeah that it wasn't yeah yeah like I did not respond to the thing we saw in any kind of a normal or natural way right we didn't straight down do it dance and I didn't pull out my phone and all that we stood very quietly for the whole event and it was a long event right I thought I'd be short though that's I was gonna go well and it was starting all it was going through on my head was well when it gets closer it'll be something boring yeah soon as soon as it gets close enough I'll be bored good year yeah yeah so I kept waiting for it but then it's then suddenly it's hanging in front of us and once it's there in front of once it's hanging in front of us then I'm going in retrospect going it's kind of weird that I just stood there and I didn't say anything and I did and did I didn't say anything I didn't feel anything I didn't feel anything and and even to this day the the memory of that event is completely devoid of emotional content yeah and I'm a pretty emotional guy you know but there's I have no emotional content connected to the memory I didn't have it on the right setting was like Dave look right here like that like his memories I only had the emotional memory yeah that's all yeah so it's gone yeah so see them out yeah they always messes these up yeah so I have no and again so I have no emotional connection to the event in in our lives yeah I just have a very clear rational sense of what I saw yeah it was astounding I mean yeah it was just yeah and yeah it's a controversial moment yeah and that triggered me talking publicly about it triggered me starting to do the UFO podcast and because my friend Tom who I do the podcast with he heard his wife said you know his wife Christina goes oh you know Dave's on Twitter talking about UFOs and Tom goes oh maybe I should call him and he and he did he called me up and said hey um are you okay I'm fine yeah yeah why he said well you know I hear your you're talking about UFOs and stuff and they said yeah and he said well and okay well why don't we get together and have dinner you know again like like an intervention but we went out and had dinner up in up in Laurel Canyon and and by the end of the dinner Tom's going okay we got to do something podcast yeah and it was his wife Christina and my that wife Chrissy was they you know they suggested that we do a podcast so it's coming back again pretty soon yeah really he'll be launching up I think we're gonna think in August it's gonna uh excellent launch up again and you told us last night that you know season five of Fargo you were terrific that was a great role you got murdered relentlessly and you've told us that once you're murdered in that series you don't get to come back and now the season yeah well pretty much no one gets to come back because they do a whole new cast and story some sometimes a character well there have there been a very few characters that made like cameos and other seasons but not dead ones but not the fun no the ghosts are fully that's too bad that was great that was great it's great and not and I you know it's my only my only uh big uh no no I know I had a death scene in it and a really terrible movie uh but I get you know I got to have a death scene and I got to be murdered by my my old friend John Higgins you know it's definitely your only death scene with an eyepatch sure yeah yeah and tons of blood yeah it was actually much gorier in in when we shot it they it was they toned it down I was rooting for us that there's no way he's getting out of this alive leading up no maybe he'll pull out a gun and you know blast John Hammond and get out there I know when I had dinner I had dinner with Noah Holly when I first got to Caligrate to shoot and uh I said come on film it just told me because I'd only read two two scripts I said just tell me am I gonna die and he said yeah I said oh good I'm good and he said do you want to know how I said yeah I want to know how and he told me the only way he's a gunfire yeah and he told me about it and I let oh that's gonna be great well it was great yeah yeah man thanks I just wanted to touch base with you and more importantly with Joey little Joey Ramon Joey keep the streets LA safe Joey yeah um he's an Instagram sensation he is good well we'll touch base with you again but thanks for being our weaponized man thanks man it's great to see you both yeah that was our good friend Dave Foley who I terrorized for making comedy and jokes about the UFO thing before he's you know balls deep in it like he is now but it's really always good to hang out with with Dave Foley and we did have that kind of uh experience together the sighting of a UAP which was pretty wild so he's become a really good friend because we've just been through it together need to talk with him yeah could you guys arrange so I get to see one of those sometime yeah you got to get away from Fiji coming out with me and I've been made it here they see them all the time it's you know it's uh by the way a couple of things before we get into what's coming in September a big event Tim Phillips who was the interim director of Arrow the guy who took the job after Sean Kirkpatrick had done such a wonderful job in that in that performance in that position Tim Phillips when he became was downgraded to the deputy director under the new director went on some podcasts and spilled some beans I know he was quoted in that Wall Street Journal article that series that we have talked about a couple of times and it's hard to figure out where he is on the topic sometimes because it it seems like it's all over the place but you know he he said some very profound things and he's fired as a result we don't know exactly what the what the specifics were what reason he was given but I would imagine it was for speaking too much about a topic that they don't want their personnel speaking about yeah I imagine if you're an active Arrow employee and you are saying things in your own way rather than representing the organization in a proper way and doing a bunch of podcasts a lot of you know misinformation or incorrect information that is verifiably incorrect yeah I could see you being kind of considered a loose cannon and it's time to stop you from doing that I could see that on the other hand I mean it's nice to hear from people whose job it is to investigate this stuff and maybe they make mistakes here or there but I mean aren't we supposed to be transparent that's what we've been told for the past couple of years and certainly under this administration oh yeah we're we're spilling all the beans we're being transparent this guy came out and said some things and it cost him his job you know transparency or not I don't see much commitment to it yeah and I'm not sure you know obviously I don't know why he was let go after a long career but you know here's the offer I would love to have him on weaponized to talk just openly about what it is that he did what his role is because now he's off he could probably talk about it I just didn't feel like you know great questions were asked of him at all times and I think that his response separating you know fact from opinion would be a very interesting way to interview him yeah I'm sure he can't speak about specific cases certainly ones that are classified which almost everything is but there are big broad strokes about the position about the agency that he worked for that would really be interesting to to dig into we have to reach out to him and and see if he'll come on next thing I want to talk to you about is obviously Congress I mean that's what's happening in September and there's been a lot of stuff going on I've seen little posts here and there and I do want to bring up a couple things so first and foremost is centered around says kind of come out and you've heard him talk a little bit there was an interview he did with our pal Matt Laszlo from Ask a Pole I think they were on like a train or something like that but he asked them a little bit about you know have you asked to see the materials because he said a lot of people did come forward and testify to him about materials they were working on where they didn't know where they were from I think this has been well documented so I'm just gonna say it I think Senator rounds should ask to see Lockheed's plant B6 complex in Burbank California 2300 Empire Avenue and then I would like them you know maybe he should go ask to see Northrop Grumman's plant 42 in Palmdale which is 3520 East Avenue M Street I mean look the addresses are there like he could ask to find out what's going on if there's two locations with the exact hardware that the disclosure act you know was written about do we have materials that they suspect to be NHI like those are two places you can go look he should do that don't you think yeah and he should get there before the moving bands back up which they're probably on their way right now yeah well there's a lot of you know I think it was Hal put off that went on Joe Rogan podcast and said we have about 13 craft or components of craft that are spread out and I would take that to the bank I suspect how put off knows what he's talking about at least on those 13 so it's not like a secret anymore this is you know we have a huge less legislation about it we're talked about contractors we talked about the DIA trying to obtain some of the materials from Lockheed through the vice president of Lockheed all of that is correct information and it's out there in the public and I think it can and should be investigated I don't see the issue now with people doing that but a lot going on in Congress so the set-at-side is kicking around the resurrection of the UAP disclosure act it's not attached to the defense budget obviously but it it could be a standalone legislative effort on their part and and it looks like it's got some some momentum behind it on the House side of course we've been hearing about another hearing there was going to be one in July that didn't happen I think that's a good thing in a sense that I'm not sure that they were really ready to go they want to have good witnesses people who've seen things with their own eyes and I know that you and I have spoken with congressional staffers setting this up you way more than me trying to help them put on the best hearing that they can they can have right yeah I think that's fair to say right now I don't want to obviously you know they have a process that they should go through and I want to support that so I have said on the news how about this I've said on the news that I've got three first-hand whistleblowers and that's three out of the many people that we've talked with but these are three we've actually already filmed with and some of them are not known to the like even in small circles so we are going to report on their accounts we're going to do that but I think that Congress has an opportunity right now and Representative Luna Representative Burleson have been very open and public about this over the last you know a couple months and I think it's I think it's appropriate for me to say that we have provided those individuals for pre-vetting and have walked through the entirety of their exposures to information regarding UAP and and that numerous of these individuals have close proximity right first-hand close proximity to operational UAP in their military role and capacity I mean look I want to hear from them on the public forum under oath so if I want to hear from them I'm sure the public will too now when we get into people that actually worked on the programs as as the congress people have said I'm not saying anything new right now as the congress people have said you know it's been difficult now why has it been difficult I want people to understand this process a little bit when you have national security people on these calls and you're trying to talk about what should be divulged to congress behind closed doors compared to in public hearings you know some of the people in active programs besides themselves besides their families unless they're getting threatened which some of them have perceived threats but I'll say actually documented by law enforcement threats which is really crazy and people will hear about it because we've already recorded with them it's difficult to move people from that category of being I want to do the right thing for the United States of America congress wants to know they should know this why don't they know this we'll tell them in a private briefing great I facilitated so many of those it's ridiculous what I care about what I care about is that the American public gets to hear these stories and they get to to look over this information so making that leap of people with firsthand experience which again I define is pinned up on my x account you can go read it those are the quality of the witnesses that you and I have brought to them but getting people that have been inside of craft or that know about I don't know you know how we've been able to breach the whole of the craft getting people like that to talk about a congress in a public setting is much more difficult however not impossible so I think that what we do is have a series of hearings but I'm not in control of that what I can do is nominate people give their credentials our pre-bending for years let congress know these people are coming out anyway no matter what already filmed and see if they want to do it in that way under oath for the public so that's what I'm fighting for George I'm doing my best it's a lot of work but I'm working with some great people in congress and just providing them vetted individuals that they can really look into what it is that they experienced yeah I think the people in UFO world tend to forget the human side of this they just demand hey look step forward if you're a whistleblower and you know this stuff come on let's have it go on the record appear before congress as if that is not going to change their lives the best they could hope for is not being prosecuted but you know that step changes your life forever you know they have wives husbands families kids jobs some of them anyway and it puts all that at risk you know you know what has happened to other whistleblowers they've been slimed and exposed people go looking for dirt anything under a rock in their lives in their past gets exposed even if everything goes well in their testimony and if they can keep their job not get fired not lose their clearance there are price there's a price to be paid for coming forward for this and it changes your life forever and not everyone wants to do that even though they do want to share the information they want congress to know that's a big step for regular people to do people who are not in the public eye I can imagine that I would be as frustrated as you hear that people are like show me the evidence bring you just say it all put it all out I do understand that but I think from our perspective in navigating this we see the train wreck that occurs to people's lives one example um Matthew Brown like he has a lot to say not just about UAP he took a huge risk coming on with us it is I'm sure this horrible feeling to be sitting back being like am I going to testify to what I risk everything for coming forward I've encouraged Matt like he should do a sub-stack or something like that to get his thoughts out but I think the way for him to do it would be first and foremost does the public want to hear him talk at congress representative Burleson just made a comment saying that he's talked with Matt Brown and that he finds what he what he finds him incredible that he believes that he was exposed to the things he says he was in which case as an American patriot I'd be like yo put him up there let's hear what he has to say about UAP and let's get it on the record under oath it might be a small step right because we've heard he's been on our show and and and I submitted the Immaculate Constellation stuff to congress but you haven't heard it from him directly under oath in congress so I think I think there is this play right now for like how do we bring these people in safely especially the other witnesses the UNI brought forward how do we bring them safely to testify and and what is the scope that we're going to have them testify about that doesn't endanger national security so I hope we hear more from Matthew Brown but I hope that first it's in congress then I hope he does his sub-stack thing and starts putting out in because he has a lot to talk about like AI and all this stuff which which is not what you and I investigate but I think it's important that you give voice to people and and look man George if if even some of these people that that you and I brought to congress is it even if one of them is able to testify I think that's a huge step forward so let's see what they do I'm I support them I'm supporting congress let's see if they can do it one last point about the whistleblowers you know the ones that we know and have talked to whose names are not public yet they've worked their entire adult lives in classified programs their clearance is their ticket it's their meal ticket it represents their mortgage payment how they feed their families that's all they've done for the most part and when they when they come forward that ticket gets yanked they lose it they will never work in classified settings again never will work for a a government agency they will pay a price for that what are they supposed to do how do they pay the bills uh yeah sure come on forward spill all the beans tell us what you know good luck in the future there's no program that helps those folks there's no money that helps support them while they try to find other kinds of jobs outside their expertise what they've done for their whole professional lives uh you know so I hope people will keep that in mind as as we move forward and and I I hope that we get some update on when the next hearing might happen there have been a couple of dates that have been uh suggested and there have been movements of planned hearings but I think it's near something else that's near by the way is uh something that you and I experienced firsthand it was the storm area 51 event that we talked about before and there was a documentary effort and they interviewed both of us and they they had a a plan for what that documentary was going to be on a very unique sort of event and now there is a new plan what do you know about about that yeah this is like five years ago so we got calls from producers and they were like we're going to make a storm area 51 movie and at a self-defense I was like okay well you know I'll interview for it I drag you into it and um yeah it was interesting it was it was proposed to us it was going to be a movie about it and what happened they I ended up getting this like mental health document from netflix basically saying don't read the internet I was like what is this about you know like what is this about so I called in turns out the titles changed so now it's called train wreck stormed area 51 now what's interesting I love the train wreck series actually they have these hilarious ones like poop crews and like project x about a house party that got out of control so I do wish it luck I do hope it's going to get a lot of viewership I suspect it will it's literally launching on netflix like the 28th or 29th so next week it's launching but I didn't see anything that I said in the trailer and I know in these things they got to have like some drama so I'm really interested whether or not they tell it like it is or they tell it like you know so that they can get that more viewership on netflix but everybody will see it along with me next week train wreck storm area 51 and as long as they don't lie or chop up and frankenstein my words so that it is something I didn't say like I'm happy that they're doing something on it well you know it was a wild crazy event that blew up and then imploded so there's a lot of material there to work with in a good-hearted nature I wonder if you're the villain yeah I do wonder about that because I again I'm going to say it's not my fault we made a joke about it so me and rogan and lasar and you were all pointing fingers at each other making a joke like whose fault was it it was no his fault just got out of control some kid made a meme and went crazy and then I started calling up people to perform and you had a friend out there and it was farther away and we tried to kind of just help guide it so that it was ended up being something fun which it was really cool and it wasn't like what it could have been so I think that's the success it showed in pop culture the interest that was sparked from you interviewing bobbas are back in 1989 I mean come on that's how people know about UFOs and error 51 so we kind of had to be a part of it you as a news guy out there you know with your microphone that was pretty cool but we had we had a fun time and david foley was there so I don't know how much they're going to show because really nobody filmed what we were doing but us it'll be interesting to see how they portray it you know the train wreck of star mario 51 it'll be interesting I'll watch one other thing to plug before we go yeah friends the cosmic cowboys lord Huron dropped a new album a couple of days ago it's terrific I listen to it anybody who's a fan of that band or anybody who doesn't know that band yet you should check that out uh really thoughtful music unlike anything else that's on the radio or anywhere else I hope people will check that out it's called the cosmic collector volume one lord Huron check it out Jeremy talk to you later last thing I got to plug something too I got some friends on the east coast it's like a breakaway investigation like a breakaway civilization I got a friend a call from a friend said you know some of us broke away from move on and we're calling it coolest title ever the international UFO bureau so I looked them up they got a website international UFO bureau dot com and one of my friends who's a great detective like a homicide detective is involved with it so I think it's going to be a cool endeavor I don't know much about it but I just want to let people know go to the website because one of my pals is involved with that so anyway George listen go back to Fiji have a great vacation I won't pull you back for weaponized for at least six more days so don't worry about it oh look here comes my my tight gotta go so