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Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's odoo.com. Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlev and it's Friday. So Aaron Parnas, I have a nice grip. Gen Z sensation. How do you feel about that? No, abort mission. Let's try it. Oh, prolific sub-stacker. There we go. We're back. Aaron, how's your week been? Long, long, chaotic, crazy, long. Aren't we supposed to be able to, like at the beginning of the year, like stop drinking and go to the gym? And I feel like I'm drinking. Actually, someone told me, oh, not just someone, my husband, sorry, a special someone was like someone, a friend of ours said, oh, you know, how has motherhood changed you? And he just from another room is like, she drinks more. How has the Trump administration changed you? He drinks more. Literally, my liver is suffering because of this man. All right. In today's episode, we're going to talk about how ice could be reformed, whether rogue ice agents will ever face accountability and what this all means for Kristi Noem. Want to do some foreign policy too, talking about the Iran crisis and whatever is going on with Greenland. And two weeks into his term, we'll check in on the Mamdani administration. So let's start with Minneapolis. The protests, I don't know. I don't even want to say they're wildly out of control because that would imply that this is all the protesters fault. The clashes have been dominating everyone's social media feeds and the news, tons of tragedy. Trump administration says the agent that killed Renee Nicole Good acted in self-defense. He's blocked Minnesota's access to evidence and sent hundreds more federal officers into the city, which led to another shooting on Wednesday night. Local prosecutors say charges aren't impossible, but the legal and political barriers are very steep. You know, given the video evidence, which thankfully there is plenty of it. And I like that the folks in Minnesota are encouraging everyone to record everything that's going on. But how realistic is it? Do you think that ice agents in these situations ever face charges? Almost never. And I think actually, I don't know if you saw this, but New York governor Huckle is actually pushing for legislation to allow citizens in ice encounters to civilly sue ice agents. Because even getting a civil lawsuit right now against an ice agent that in one of these situations is very difficult given immunity related issues. They don't have absolute immunity, but they have qualified immunity. And I think that's another argument that a lot of legal experts have that I mean, at this point, like, we need to take a look at the qualified immunity doctrine we should have for a long time. And it's actually funny. Clarence Thomas himself, one of the most conservative just on Supreme Court is not a fan of qualified immunity. So I think that we may see some movement there, but getting charges against ice agents right now. Good luck. Yeah, I actually didn't know that about Huckle. And that's good. I feel like she has had an incredible search of the year and we'll talk about that. A bit more in the mom Donnie section. She, you know, she's like Gavin Newsom challenge accepted like let's go over here in New York. President Huckle. I'm kidding. I don't know. Maybe. But like. You never know. You never know. Donald Trump was reelected to a second term as president. So no, you never know about these things. Going back to what you were saying about, you know, good luck getting actual charges against an ice officer. I've been so disheartened to see the lack of interest of the federal government and working with local law enforcement, gathering evidence for those on the ground who actually know what's going on there. And a lot of people who are even observers to this and Brian O'Hara, the police chief in Minneapolis has talked about this. He's like, our cops are there all the time because actually ice is doing the jobs we're supposed to do. Like ice actually can't enforce traffic laws or do anything like they're literally there to pick up bad hombres and then they're supposed to get out. But they're acting as judge, jury and executioner in some cases and all of this. And the federal government, they're pushing back on this. Harmeet Dhillon and the DOJ, but there have been multiple stories talking about how prosecutors are quitting or petitioning the federal government saying you have to work with local law enforcement to investigate these incidents. Oh, 100%. I mean, to me, this is a matter of state and local issue. It's a state and local issue more so than a federal issue. Just because you have a federal agent involved doesn't make it automatically a federal issue. And so even if this renaissance goods, the person who shot her, Jonathan Ross, were to be charged in state court, removed to federal court, even in federal court, he will be prosecuted under state law. This is a state related issue. And I believe that Minnesota investigators should be leading the way. When I spoke to attorney general Ellison from Minnesota, he said that they haven't received access to Renee Nicole Good's vehicle to see where the bullet kind of went through the windshield, the gun itself or the shell casings. And then at the same time, they've kind of been stonewalled from every witness interview, every declaration made in the case. They don't have any information. And then Ellison also told me that he thinks or he's heard that the Civil Rights Division has also been sidelined, which is why we've probably seen the mass resignations to four top officials in civil rights. And then also now the six prosecutors who have resigned in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Minnesota. I expect that only to continue. I will say one thing that I've seen a lot of people talk about online in this regard. And I'm curious to hear your thoughts is when all of the good guys are resigning, who's left, right? Like if these people are resigning, who's left to enforce the law and to make sure that there's some sense of normalcy to continue? And the truth is I don't have an answer for you because it's really a double edged sword. Same thing with like the rifts earlier this year. Like great, like people want to take the offers to leave the federal government, these good federal workers. But then when all the good federal workers leave, who's left? Right, which is exactly how Rassva wants it. Right. Right. It is like this is our dream scenario actually where anyone with a spine or who knows the law is gone. And we can just, you know, have our way with the country. But I do, I feel differently than I did in the first Trump administration about, you know, good Republicans and, you know, in quotes, like sticking it out, right? And like making sure that they can limit him or whoever, Stephen Miller, vote, whoever it is as much as possible. Because you would be out on an island, first of all, and it seems like very little has been able to get in their way. And people who I think are really making a lot of positive change are folks on the outside that are battling the administration that way. Like the Markelyuses of the world, right? That are like, I'm going to take you to court every single day. Right. And I'm going to continue to win. And it seems like the judiciary, I'm not talking about the DOJ. I'm talking about like judges across the country, say for the Supreme Court. And some very important instances actually have been holding the line pretty well. Yeah, 100%. And I think that'll be kind of the story of Trump's second term is how the judiciary really blocked a lot of what he's been trying to do. I think I've been saying it from the beginning, even on this show, is that people need to calm down in the sense that a lot of what he says he's doing, he's not actually doing. His executive orders aren't actually law. Now, is he terrorizing communities? Yes, as ICE being deployed across America, 100%. But at the same time, even the Supreme Court said you can't deploy the National Guard in Illinois, for example. Right. There are still ways that his administration is being kind of constricted. And I think it'll only continue after the midterms because based on what I'm seeing in polling wise, and if, I mean, if we're where we are today on November 5th or 6th, whenever the election is, it's going to be a landslide for Democrats, in my opinion. Like, I mean, it's really bad for Republicans right now. Yeah, I saw the latest Gallup polling had Democrats up eight points on the generic ballot, which is tsunami territory, not wave or ripple. You know, that was on the higher end of things, but you know, the administration is blaming the media, right, for the spin about what's going on in Minneapolis. And I don't know if you saw this, but 82% of Americans have watched the video of Officer Ross shooting Brunegud himself. They're not actually taking a news lens to look at these things. Everyone's doing it for themselves, and that's why you have seen this huge turn against ICE. So polling has it about that half of Americans would abolish it if they had their choice. A majority of Americans think that Officer Ross should face criminal charges. A majority think that ICE is not enforcing the law properly. The big discussion now is should we abolish ICE and should Democrats be using that motto, I guess, or being out there arguing for it? What's your take? I mean, I think abolishing ICE is the moderate position today for Democrats to take. Like, I don't think it's an outlandish thing to say. It's very different from abolish the police because you're not abolishing the police when you're abolishing ICE. You're also not abolishing all immigration enforcement when you're abolishing ICE. You still have Customs and Border Protection, which ensures that the border is protected. ICE, however, is specifically being sent into streets across America to rip apart families and terrorize communities. And so the abolish ICE position I would expect is going to become even more mainstream, even more popular, especially among Democrats. And I don't think that it's... I mean, I saw the Searchlight Institute put out their little... Memo or whatnot. And I saw the memo and I read the memo and I fundamentally disagree with the memo in the sense that the moderate position in a normal administration, fine. Take the moderate position, say, we don't need to abolish ICE. We just need some reforms. Great. But we're not living through normal times right now. And I don't think you ask any American and they're going to be like, oh, we're good with incremental change right now and working together. There's really very few people out there who are like, we want to work together. It is a very divided country. If Democrats want to win, it's time to lean into the division in all honesty. I think that you're probably right. I was discussing this on Wednesday afternoon on the five and, you know, I think I have a little bit of a different frame, which might not be the right frame, but I just know like what my life will look like if I'm sitting surrounded by four conservatives who can say in 2020 it was to fund the police. And in 2026 it was, you know, abolish ICE and what happens also to the funding that's allocated. So if Democrats go the appropriations route and they say basically we're not going to fund DHS, then, you know, what do you do about TSA, for instance, or CBP and things like that. So I think that there needs to be a good plan, I guess, to counter it. And so far I've just heard a lot of like, get rid of them, right? Like they're not doing their job. Like you were saying, and I totally agree with that. I just want like a real good set of proposals. I've floated some that I think make sense, like that, you know, these guys need to be trained more than 47 days. Like it's cute that that's Donald Trump's presidential lineage number or whatever, but like they need the three to five months of training. You can't have warrantless searches. You can't be asking people for their papers. You need to wear bodycams. We need to know who you are. You need a badge number. You can't throw people in unmarked vans. Like all of these things. And when you say them out loud, you would think that most people would say like, oh, well, obviously, like this is America. It shouldn't be going this way. But I was met with such opposition to this idea that people should have to identify themselves and even like, oh, well, protesters are wearing masks. I'm like, how are these two things even comparable in your mind? I would add that David Shore, who is usually like a voice of research reason within the party from Blue Rose Strategies, also put out his own memo that said what you're saying, that abolishing ICE is not a nuts idea. Like this is not something that makes people think that you're a bunch of loony leftists. It makes people think that you've seen the same videos that they've seen themselves. 100%. And I will also say this. I mean, I think that when we talk about funding DHS, I think that is going to be a major moment within the Democratic Party at the end of this month. We funded ICE to such a degree this summer. Right. Like there's so much money that flowed into the coffers of ICE that in my opinion, if you have Democrats willing, I am totally open to another government shutdown as it relates to DHS, specifically as it relates to DHS. And I think a lot of Democrats would be warming up to that idea over ICE funding because they have more funding than parts of the United States military at this point. They're sending millions of dollars to influencers for wartime recruitment campaigns right now. I mean, this isn't, and here's the thing. I mean, all of the reforms you laid out are great, but even from like a basic level, let's make sure that ICE has training. There was a recent NBC News report that came out overnight that literally said that ICE is using AI to vet applicants, new applicants. And the AI technology flagged any applicant that had the word officer in their resume or in their cover letter as someone who already had law enforcement officer training. But the truth is most of those people are like, if you're a compliance officer, for example, you were saying they said that you had complete training or if you said you wanted to be an ICE officer, they said you already had necessary training. They're putting people on the streets with not enough training or really any training at this point and you're seeing what happens. Absolutely. There was also an incredible story of a lefty journalist and activist who applied to come into ICE and she was preliminarily accepted. There was no like basic Google search of the fact that her social media is full of like fuck ICE and, you know, Donald Trump is an authoritarian or whatever it was. Like when you're surging 3,000 people at a time when you're working off of quotas, when you're just trying to satisfy Stephen Miller's fever dreams, right? Like you're going to be making a lot of mistakes and I don't know why, frankly, they would want to be part of this or to support it at this level except that they want to run a militarized United States of America. That is the only conclusion I'm left to understand. Yeah, maybe I'm going to apply to ICE and see if I get in quickly, see if it works. You should do it as an activity. Though I think now they're probably a little more alert. They're going to see my name and be like, no. They're like, run away. Like this kid's trouble. Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break. Stay with us. Support for the show comes from Hems. You don't just want to lose weight. 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Odu replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odu for free at Odu.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com. Welcome back. I want to quickly touch on what's going on with Iran. Wednesday night, it seemed like maybe there was going to be some American action. Iran closed its airspace. What do you think the odds are at this point that there is American intervention over there? Pretty high still. I really do. I mean, I think this is Trump saying kind of, and he said the same thing last time. Oh, Iran's not killing any protesters. Right before he did Fordo. Right, right before he did Fordo. And I don't know if you saw the Iranian foreign ministers interviewed the other day, but he said, I know executions on Wednesday, no executions on Thursday. I don't know what Friday holds. That's literally what he said. And so I think that, but I'm going to be honest with you, if the United States does not get involved, I don't know how these protests continue at this point. I don't know because I think based on what we're seeing on the ground, thousands of people being killed by the Iranian regime every, like over the past couple of weeks, I don't know how protesters come out and say, I can continue doing this with fear of my life. I don't know. It's a very scary situation. I don't know if you've seen people living in Iran right now and they're terrified. So, and I also don't know what US intervention looks like, whether it would even work. Right. I wish they would tell us. I understand you can't tell us everything. I do believe in that Democrat or Republican administration, but like give us a hint of what help is on the way actually means because we've seen help is on the way before and that story did not end well for us and for a lot of people in the Middle East. I don't know what that looks like. So we'll see. Greenland, are we taking it? Well, the European Union has planted a flag in Greenland over the past 24 hours. European troops are currently on the ground in Greenland. Do I think we're taking it? 50-50. Honestly, I don't know. Really? Yeah. That high because I'm pretty 75-25. I do think that they'll do a deal and they'll have to, which they would have done anyway. I think that the ritual humiliation of all of this, like the Danes and the Greenlanders have always been open to basically doing whatever the United States wants except becoming the 51st state or whatever his fantasy is. We already have a military base there, right? I'm sure if we say, I think that... And they let it build it up. I think you're right. I think what we'll see is like some type of deal in which the United States has like de facto military control over Greenland, whatever that looks like. Right. And then we can come out and talk about it and be like, here's my gold-plated cell phone from Tim Cook. Here is my Greenland plaque. Put Trump on a dog sled at this point. Like physically or his face? Physically. Okay. Quickly, what are your thoughts on early mom Donny days? I have thought this is a pretty effective first couple of weeks, you know, funding of unicell pre-K. I am... your applications are already open for your two and three year olds to be able to do that. Kathy Hochold, big assist going back to President Hochold. Also the moves to cut red tape when it comes to getting small businesses to be able to open and thrive and also for building more housing, which has been a huge issue with the left wing of the Democratic Party that there's been so much resistance to cutting red tape when it comes to building more housing and doing it quickly. So what are your thoughts? I mean, I'd give it an A rating at this point. I mean, he's avoided all controversy, right? Not a single piece of controversy really has come out. That's plagued the administration. Eric Adams is opening up a meme coin and he's... And he's actually doing stuff. I mean, even if these are just announcements, right? Like announcements of funding or announcements of housing, building whatever it is, they're announcements and he's actually taking action. So I give him an A at this point, but it's been only two weeks, so we'll see what happens. I know. It's been an impressive two weeks for me as someone who was excited about certain proposals. Definitely the universal childcare and expanding universal pre-K, but to see him kind of bucking some more left wing forces, I guess that would be against some of the things as it comes to the restrictions or the regulations, I should say. I've been heartened by all of that. And also, I don't know if you've seen any of the footage of him just walking around the city, but people are going bananas for him. He's like Mick Jagger, Mandawni, Mick McDonnie, Mick McDonnie. I don't know. Whatever, I can't come out with a good nickname for it, but like people love him. Ask Trump, he'll probably come up with a nickname soon. Oh my God. And you saw that they're text message friends. They're besties. Can't even... I'm sure Trump will show them to us eventually. And like that huge font, he'll be like, this is my boy, Zoran. Very handsome. All right, Erin, it was great to see you. I'll see you next Friday. See you next Friday. Support for the show comes from Odoo. Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? Introducing Odoo. It's the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all-in-one, fully integrated platform that makes your work easier. CRM, accounting, inventory, e-commerce, and more. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at Odoo.com. 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