Ep 1248 | Miss Kay Defies the Odds With a New Milestone

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to unashamed. It was great because I preached yesterday and Mom especially likes to come when I preach and she likes to come anytime but you know it's kind of hard for her to get around now. It depends on the weather and other things. But she did show up without a wheelchair which is the first time. That's why I want to mention to you is that she it's the first time she's like trusted just coming in with a walker and getting around herself but she's doing so amazingly well and that the most off thing I get asked either by some of you online or directly if we run into each other is how is Ms. Kaye. So I'd like to give you an update every once in a while and she's doing fantastic. I mean she is now you're not gonna believe this. She told me yesterday because I had my friend that we talked last podcast about in the military guy Ty was there and he was like man I can't believe how well your mom is doing because she sat right behind us and I said well Ms. Kaye tell him why you're doing so so well. She's like well the Lord has just decided that he's not done with me yet so I thought that was a great answer and she said I got a new house which is a little house in our compound and she said and that deer you're bringing me. I was like what's the story on that? I was like well I've been cooking deer and bringing them to her and she has elevated that into the trinity of recovery. The fried backstrap. Backstrap goes a long way to healing there should be. I was like I had no idea Ms. Kaye how well because I mean we bring her a lot of food and because my family we are food snobs and because we've just we don't eat out and that's partly because I guess when you become famous if you go eat out in a restaurant you're already going down in value because what we're cooking is better than any restaurant. We could have a restaurant. And then you're kind of being you know it turns into kind of a meet and greet while you're trying to eat which is just not the greatest surrounding so we just you know you learn how to cook and eat well but boy she she had missed that deer that fried backstrap because my dad he ate that during this time of year every other meal and so but the key to that is because you're like well it's because that old Ty was looking around he's like what what's the key so I cooked it for him while he was here and then he got it didn't he? I said the key is to start off with a small deer yeah because they're just better yeah and that's I'm not ashamed of that. Exactly so we um she has folks that uh some folks that sit with her and uh you know just making sure she gets around good and doesn't fall and uh but they become part of the family and the lady that was with us this weekend is a sweet sweet lady Miss Angela and um she's just part of the family now. She is what's weird is uh what you know Miss Kay said I want to introduce you to my best friend in the world I was like I know Angela so even though she's doing better she has moments of like I just saw it remember when I brought you that deer Miss Angela was sitting there. I told mom yesterday that uh so Miss Angela came with mom after I preached his first time she had heard me preach so she she was telling me about my sermon Miss Angela and how much she liked it because she has her own church you know but but she's been with mom on the weekend so it's been great to have her so the they came over to our house and had lunch afterwards and we watched football yesterday because mom's cable is down so she can't we can't get her football over there so she came to my house just to watch a couple of playoff games and so I told mom we were laughing because like you said mom is doing great but she does have dementia she's been diagnosed and so she'll have these moments but I told her I said mom the good thing about your dementia because I told her a joke that I told her like last week I was it was a stupid preacher joke but she laughs every time the same I said you know the best thing about telling jokes to people with dementia they laugh every time because it's the first time they've ever heard but she really is doing great and it's been fun and I know a lot of you have been praying for and I just want you to know the prayers of words she you know like anybody that I mean she and dad have been together for over 60 years and so I think none of us realize just how hard that is to say so long for a while by your the soulmate the person you spent your whole life with so just the grieving process itself is hard enough to get over but then when you're sick physically and some mentally on top of that that's a hard it's a hard thing to deal with yeah it took a while it is it made me think about where we're at in first john which I don't know if we've done a few overviews of uh first john we're trying to wrap our heads around it with you together and he seems to you know have built this sermon around life, light, and love which is kind of the DNA of God and that John recorded in the gospel of John yeah the gospel of John but this word you know one thing I think that helps you get get your head around this and this kind of goes in context with getting old and when you think about age and uh because actually when when Ty was here he asked me a strange question that of all the questions he asked me this just seemed kind of weird to me but he said look I got I got a question because he was just peppering me with questions during when we we studied half the night about various things but he said uh you know early in the bible these people were living like a thousand years and I said well I think Methuselah was the oldest recorded and uh what was he nine nine something 62 maybe and he said what what about that and I was like what's your question and he said well I did some research and they basically told me which I was like well who who are they he's like well whoever's running the internet no boy he says that was wikipedia you better just pass they were saying there was something wrong with the calendar and uh so I said well and here's where I started I just wanted to get your thoughts on it because where I launched from there which I thought is a good question when you think about it how are these people living this long and so in first John won if you look up the Greek word 9 69 9 69 that was pretty close uh if you look up the Greek word for this word eternal life in first John 1 2 so he's talking about the word of life we know he's talking about Jesus and in verse 2 he says the life appeared we have seen it and testified to it and we proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the father and has appeared to us well if you look up the word eternal and then do your little Greek lexicon thing if you look it up so it's 1 66 in the Greek lexicon I can't I'm not going to permit attempt to pronounce this I he owed me oh yeah which is the Greek word and then I'll say eternal eternity by the way that's 14 times in the book of John that that word appears all right yeah but when you look at it what you'll see is this it's an age yeah and so the way the from my understanding y'all can clear this up fill in the details there's a lot in the bible about present age and age to come yeah and sometimes this word is translated in that and I'll just give you some examples so like in Matthew 12 uh Jesus says this verse 32 blaspheme blaspheming against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven in this age or in the age to come and so here my little ai paragraph summary of that says contrasting earthly life with eternity so even ai is trying to wrap its head around what this concept means but I'll give you another one you remember in Luke 20 34 and 36 uh the question was asked in the resurrection if a woman had been married seven times who would be her husband in the afterlife but listen to what Jesus said it says in this age uh people who marry is in contrasted with those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection who neither marry nor are given in marriage so that's what he basically says in the age to come people will neither marry nor be given in marriage uh Ephesians 1 this is verse 21 Paul speaks of Christ authority and it says not only in this age but also in the age to come referring to power in the present and the future so we got our cozy earth bubble cuddle blankets and gave them to our wives and just now they're fighting over it in my in my house missy loved hers and she has taken it over in such a way I thought we would share but I guess I'm gonna have to get me one there's no sharing she absolutely loved it so you don't have other people there I gotta have more of a compound situations of their fighting over but last night we had some friends over because it was Lisa's birthday and a friend of ours not knowing that cozy earth is a sponsor of our podcast gave Lisa and I for our birthdays that we just both just had a set of of these sheets from cozy earth and he was like these are the best sheets I've ever had you're not going to believe how you're going 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First Corinthians 2 or second Corinthians 2? I think it's first Corinthians 2. Okay first Corinthians 2 let's read a little bit of that are y'all following me if I just lost you? No no I'm with you. Okay so watch what he says in verse 6 of first Corinthians 2 we do however speak a message of wisdom among the mature and watch this phrase but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age who are coming to nothing no we speak of God's secret wisdom a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began which is kind of what John is doing in first John 1 we this is the same being who came who was with the Father before the creation of the world. Yeah I'll say time and space. Now watch what verse 8 none of the rulers there is again of this age understood it for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory however as it is written no eye has seen no ear has heard no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him but God has revealed it to us by a spirit the spirit searches all things even the deep things of God for who among men knows the thoughts of man except the man's spirit within him in the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the spirit of God we have not received the spirit of the world but the spirit who is from God that we may understand what God has freely given us this is what we speak not in words talked to us by human wisdom but in words taught by the spirit expressing spiritual truths spiritual words the man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the spirit of God for their foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned the spiritual man makes judgments about all things but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment for who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him but we have the mind of Christ so my whole point when reading that is we have the mind of Christ now we have the spirit of God now and you think about verses like Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever so my whole point is the word eternity when you look it up and you say about this age or the age to come it's more talking about the quality of the age so if Jesus is eternal because even though he became a man he inserted himself in time and he's promising what eternal life well when you go through and read the book of John remember all those passages like in John five where it's like this person has crossed over from death to life and or even John three I think it's 36 where he talks so he uses that verse verse that word eternity when he says 336 whoever believes in the Son has eternal life well he's experiencing the age to come which is eternity because God is eternal right and if you receive the spirit think of like that verse in Romans 8 the same if the same spirit is living in you in this present age he who gave life to Jesus's body when he died the Holy Spirit will also give life in what the age to come life to your body I said all that to say to answer this question when he said what about these ages well I said you know there's passages that kind of explain how the ages went from 900 to 120 to 70 or 80 and those are three passages that that say that so the first one is in Genesis 6 where you know whatever's happening with the spiritual forces in the heavenly realms and they seem to cohabitate in some way with human women and that's Genesis chapter it was like I said my summary of state we inherited that because that came with the planet you know yeah well exactly so the fall of man happens and as the result of a celestial being that has fallen the evil one that was in the garden and then you just go three chapters later and now there's multiple fall in celestial beings and they're somehow mating with human women and it produces giants but there's an obscure verse in there and this is right after Genesis 5 where you see all these people who are living 969 years and 777 well and this really encouraged Tywin I read this because he's like that's in the Bible and in Genesis 6 3 it says then the Lord said my spirit will not contend with man forever which is this same eternal word of this age to come and it says for he is mortal his days will be 120 years so whatever the result of this celestial invasion into humanity God said okay I'm not going to let you live for 900 years anymore it's going to be 120 yeah and I was like I don't know all the details I'm just reading you that verse but evidently and y'all tell me if I'm wrong I just wanted to introduce this this thought because I think in our study of 1st John I want to wrap my head around what this fellowship with eternal life exactly means not only in this age and in the age to come and so I said then you get an obscure verse in Psalm 90 which is Moses' prayer recorded in Psalms and I want to read this because you'll be shocked at how this mirrors what we're reading in 1st John and I want to read this it says Psalm 90 and it says a prayer of Moses the man of God now this think about Moses well he comes later because then you had the flood which this whatever this carnal spiritual invasion of evil forces with humans it caused a flood and the flood basically did away with it I mean that was well right it limited in that capacity and now we're you're getting to live 120 so think Abraham and Sarah they were a hundred and ninety when they had this baby right because that goes in with the 120 narrative well now Moses who came later watch what happens here in his prayer Lord you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations before the mountains were were born or you brought forth the earth and the world he like 1st John he like Jesus his prayer goes to before creation in this relationship of father son and the Holy Spirit and then it says here's our words from everlasting to everlasting you are God which I look that up it's the same concept erud and from the age of this forever age of you just you and the son and the Holy Spirit to now the age of you the son the Holy Spirit after creation right that's what that that that verse means which is fascinating but watch what he says you return men back to dust well up until Genesis 6 he was letting them live here for quite a long time but you limited that oh sons of men and and then look at this what verse is here for a thousand years in your sight or like a day that is gone by or like a watch in the night well where's that quoted in 1st Peter you remember when he's talking about Jesus coming back in a new heavens and a new earth and he's like he doesn't want anybody to perish for for you like well when this happened for you a thousand years is like a day and a day so that Peter didn't just come up with that yeah he got that from Psalm 90 exactly trying to wrap his head what I'm trying to wrap around you sweet men away in the sleep of death they are like new grass of the morning though in the morning it springs up new by evening is withered and dry and withered I mean people are dying but as a result of a separation from him from sin sin has led to death and you're saying that even though he limited it on how long you'll be here and then it says for we are consumed by your anger and terrified by your indignation because that was a result of separation of God and brought death and God in love is like this is not how it's supposed to be so you will be separated from me and death is a part of that you have said our iniquities before you are secret sins in the light of your presence and 1st John is going to go into that about us confessing our sins as we walk in the light in Jesus all right all our days pass away under your wrath we finish our years with a moan now here's the here's the kicker the length of our days is 70 years or 80 if we have the strength so I asked Ty after he asked me this question I said you know what the average life expectancy is today and he's like like 72 or 74 and I was like how did Moses know this thousands years ago that he got it right in the middle a box showed up with my house and had my name on it and I was so excited because it came from the wild Alaskan company and inside that box there were Sakai salmon there was coho salmon there was Pacific halibut there was Pacific cod and Pacific rockfish all in this box I got Ostone to smoke them all my favorite was probably the Pacific halibut when I got this from wild Alaskan company I realized it was the real deal and and we loved it we're excited to have them as a sponsor and a partner it's 100 wild caught it's not farmed just like when we used to fish from the river no antibiotics no gmo's no additives just clean real fish 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trouble whether you're in jesus or not still gonna have trouble who knows the power of your anger for your wrath is as great as the fear that is do you and the reason i wanted to read this is because in first john uh this word propitiation comes up with his appeasing god's wrath only two places that's brought up in the entire bible well this seems to fit in with this you know that jesus died on the cross for our sins and and making peace of his anger towards our sin that was done in love and he gets to love here in the next couple of verses verse 12 teach us to number our days a right that we may gain a heart of wisdom that's why we spent two podcasts talking about wise understanding wrapping our head around the blueprint of humanity which is god's wisdom relent oh lord how long will it be have compassion on your serve servants satisfy in the morning with with look at this with your unfailing love so that we may sing for joy which is first john one four it's james one consider pew pure joy first beat a while and and watch this that we may be glad all our days make us glad for as many days as you have afflicted us for as many years as we have seen trouble may your deeds be shown to your servants your splendor to their children may the favor of the lord god rest upon us establish the work of our hands for you yes establish the work of our hands and we talked about work and god's there's two different kinds of work you know out there god created us to be his workmanship just like he did in adam to work the garden the new creation we get to do the work of god that he prepared before the beginning of time Ephesians two so that was kind of my answer to that and he's like well that's really blown my blown my head about what eternity is now so look so after all of that he asked me a question he says well wouldn't that mean that we're getting a taste of eternity now and i said ty bingo i think you've hit i think you've hit on it and he said and you answered while we only live 70 or 80 years what who knows why but we at least see that happen through the you know what my go-to text is when i used to be do a lot of funerals at the graveside because graveside is kind of an awkward thing traditionally at least around here you have a service and you preach and then you go to the graveside as well and so i'm expected as the preacher to say a few words and but psalm 90 is what i always read in that moment because we're here to put this body in the ground and it is a somber occasion for this family and these people that love this and in that moment you have to have that reminder that the taste of eternity is here that it looks like this is the end of the story but it's not you know and it's what i always like because you're right the jews had this idea of two eras because you had jewish history waiting for the messiah and then the messiah was supposed to come but but most of it was still all aimed at here it was and that's why it was filled with unfaithfulness on their side oppression there were other nations taken over the same ones these celestial beings had partnered with humans developed all these other ungodly nations which is why the world just literally went to hell in a handbasket and resulted in a flood and then here's moses coming out from all this frustration and just with the unfaithfulness of human beings right is able to kind of see in there the vision of god and what he's working to do even down to how many years were on the on the planet right so and the difference i think what the new testament writers do and john does for sure is that they add an era is essentially what happens because from the mindset of christianity is you had the era just like the jewish history but then you had the messiah coming which they're still waiting on but we said no he came he's here and when he came when he left he sent his spirit here for now us to be able to live in this era with a i think of it in terms of a portal to eternity it's like because you know the new challenge that's a good way to look at because you got this portal the paul kept calling it a deposit a deposit what does that mean that means something that's given us that's going to expand into something bigger right now all we see is the portal and we see the fruit that comes from the portal and then in the in the post resurrection upon the final return we get into the third era and that's the one even though they sort of recognized eternity at least half of them did the Pharisees did in the resurrection i don't think they they ever could get away from the idea of ruling on earth they never understood that earth wasn't the final go even though it is part of who we are and there's a new heaven and a new earth so obviously that portal you remember the movie stargate which i've talked about before which was just someone made up a movie but i think it was probably rooted in this in my opinion but the idea was is there was this portal they found that you could then go to this parallel universe that was a lot like our universe and there you had the Pharisees the uh the the pharaohs and all this stuff there and so it was like an explanation they were really aliens and you could figure it out in this other world not our world but that idea of being able to go in a portal to experience something greater than your own experience that's what i see the holy spirit doing and that's the part that's been missed by most of our our jewish heritage is that power that comes from that and that really was what jesus said that's why he continued to tell his disciples look it's going to be better for you when i leave because i'm leaving that little portal that little ingested part of me and you and it's going to be available for everyone and it's like the new creation is already beginning and it's just it's evolving on the planet you're getting the glimpse of joy and eternity from spirit filled people and it catches on it becomes contagious so what would say you Zach yeah it's it's hard because i think we all grew up and a lot of people grew up in and an idea that yeah eternity was out there we've talked about a lot of this podcast it really has become the anchor of what we're doing here is to redefine what eternal life is for from a biblical perspective that it's here now and in the last podcast i was talking about um you know my my wife will say if you know a lot of wives will say about their husbands that they're directionally challenged meaning they don't know how to follow directions or whatever and they're going they have a destination that they're getting to and they're trying to get lost they can't follow the gps i think in the church that we we are directionally challenged in that we don't understand which way this thing is going we we all we we think it's out there we really do but the whole context of the scripture is that there's the god is coming and the kingdom is coming and that the spirit is coming and when you think about the role of the holy spirit in eternal life it uh he is paramount i thought about the john 17 three verse obviously as you were going through that whole thing was that's kind of that key point jesus made eternal life is now it's to know the one true god and jesus christ's son whom he sent the the way that the spirit works in all of this is that the spirit now comes in and lives and takes up residence inside of human bodies so if you are a christian then you house the holy spirit so now you start looking all that old testament stuff and you think about that tower of abble what they were essentially trying to do was build a tower so that they could house god i mean that's really what the the sin was but they were going to do it on their terms and so the new testament restoration of that idea of all that that happened in the divine council falling and and and overseeing you know different governments and different movements and it's kind of scary when you start thinking about how real some of this stuff is the rectifying of that and the antidote to that is going to be spirit filled believers now we are like little mini temples just running around expanding out god's presence throughout the whole globe and to me it's important because it actually puts like a a tangible job that the lord wants me to do and i i think that sits well with me like the god has something that he wants me to do i'm not just sitting back and spectating at at what god's done god said no no no i've built the universe in a way that you're actually as a as a human you are actually going to be participating in this with me this is a very participatory thing that i've invited you into and so you have a role and your roles act is you're actually going to be a priest and what it means to be a priest is you're going to protect the garden and the creation that i've made you're going to expand the garden so you're going to cultivate the earth like you have you have a role here and that role got thwarted at the very beginning of time and what's happening now is god is calling us back into that and so whatever we're doing now it matters because it's actually a foretaste of glory divine it's a it's a first fruit and so for me that gets me like a real understanding and motivation that there's stuff we got to get done here and it matters and this world matters so i got max wanting to buy a house right now al you got a few in your neck of the woods wanting to buy my oldest granddaughter and her husband uh little jersey joey just uh bought their first house and man just watching it unfold as they're going through the process it reminds me how hard it is you know to try to get a really mortgage company trust and all the things that you need especially your first home and they max called me with questions the day i said hey well hold on i call hendry and todd these guys will help you out if you want to know about different financing options you know buying a home is a big deal you know buying 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that's why i brought this up by eternal life because you know i've had trouble just wrapping my head around how do we explain first john yeah and i've noticed these little key words that i think we have always viewed wrongly in that we only think about eternal life when jesus comes back but he's writing this saying you are participating partnering fellowshiping with the literal godhead yeah right now right and don't leave jesus which is a theme and he made that point there in verse two which seems you know not like a big deal when he says the life appeared we've seen it we testify we proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the father and has appeared to us but then he says and our fellowship in verse three is with the father is it's with him well then when i said well what about the other times he brings up this eternal life well in chapter two in verse 23 which everyone gets here and they they start making up all these doctrines about the anti christ and your anti messiah to use the hebra version of that and he basically says no one who denies the son has the father because he had just said in chapter one your partners with him how can you deny the son whoever acknowledges the son has the father also and this is all in the context of verse 20 saying you have an anointing from the holy one and we know that's the holy spirit so then he says verse 24 see that you see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you this is now if it does you will also remain in the son and the father and this is what he promised us even eternal life and it's almost like he's saying you don't realize your expression that now even eternal life now it's not something way off and then at the end in first john five in verse 13 and the reason i'm making such a big deal about this because he he just flat out says i'm writing these things to you who believe in the name of the son of god so that you may know that you have you possess eternal life so so i think you kind of see in that this is a long way to say you know if this becomes a reality to you now and it's like ty had it right are you saying we're experiencing that now all of a sudden he was ready to run through that door without opening it right telling anybody an air shot you can experience it now that's all this i like the word experience i mean because it's if you think about like if if you are in love with a woman or if you're a man or a woman you're in love with a man and you find the love of your life and you guys are just head over heels for each other the the relationship of whatever that is it transcends knowledge about that relationship and what i mean by that is like i don't it's when i'm when me and jill fell in love and we were we're getting married and we're engaged and we want to spend the rest of our life together like it was not built and even now even more so now that we've been together for almost 25 years like it's our relationship is not centered on what we know about each other we know a lot about each other but our relationship is actually centered on participation with each other and so i think the way the big shift that happens when you begin to understand what the bible is teaching here is that eternal life becomes much more about a participation like a participatory communion in god's inner triune life like wait who is god and what is life he is life he doesn't just give life no he is life so the invitation to eternal life is not say god give me a cup of eternal life what you're actually saying is god give me you i want to be with you and so it's way more relational which is another way of saying what you said when you said it's much more about the quality of the life than it is the quantity the quantity is there because it is on and on and on and on forever and ever but man but that could also describe hell what separates the two is to how's point in your sermon is that that one is qualified by the presence whose presence you're in and versus whose presence you're not in well i said all that to say because i think the reason i've had trouble wrapping my head around this is because when we get to verse six through two one it's it then all of a sudden it's just like well how can this be he's like i'm writing this so that you won't see it right that's in two one then he also says in verse eight of chapter one if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves right and i think he was given the platform to say look you're like saying oh we get we get to have eternal life but he's like you're participating now so there's some things we need to address here right if you're sitting here claiming that you have this relationship and participation but you're lying about your own sin and how you're dealing with it or claiming whether you have it or not this this is silly yeah i mean you're gonna live with god forever and now you you think you're gonna hoodwink him like he doesn't know exactly what you've done when you did it what you're fixing to do he's an eternal being and so i think that's the trouble with wrapping our head around all this is because look we do the same thing in modern day i mean how many people go to an assembly we go to church we smile we sing the song we say a prayer then we immediately walk out and do do something just ungodly like all of a sudden we left the presence of god yeah and i think it's the proper way to wrap your head around this letter yeah it was a story out just this week about a some person who was in the adult film industry that supposedly came to christ and that story goes out and everybody's oh man that's great news and then she goes right back and continues doing adult films and she's a but now i'm a christian it's like no i think you missed that whole point you can't stay till the car so i want to show you this and you mentioned this last time jess this and it proves exactly what we're talking about today i think about this idea about complete joy so remember those those passages and john that you mentioned in the last podcast you read them though each one of those are very interesting because they show sort of the evolution i think of what we're talking about here about how the holy spirit is the game changer in john 329 through 30 which you read before that's john the baptist who says that about make my joy complete and he's testifying about the idea that the bridegroom has now come don't like jesus jesus mentions that in john 15 9 through 12 but that's his testimony about the father sending him here to make his joy complete now i'm here then in john 16 he tells the disciples look when i leave i'm going to send you the holy spirit to then make your joy complete so watch see you're watching the evolution and then listen to this this was the capper for me this is this is philippians 4 and uh verse 10 where now paul who's speaking as people who have the holy spirit here's what he says and he's talking about himself i rejoice greatly in the lord that at last you have renewed your concern for me indeed you have been concerned but you had no opportunity to show it i'm not saying this because i'm in need for i've learned to be content whatever the circumstances that's a huge statement because this is at the base of joy i know what it is to be a need and i know what it is to have plenty i have learned the secret of being content and any and every situation whether well fed or hungry whether living in plenty or a need i can do everything through him who gives me strength now that said as a spirit led believer is saying that joy can't be completing this life but it doesn't mean that i'm in a great situation i could be in wanting or i could be in need but either way the difference is now i have a spirit the spirit of god that lives in me and part of its fruit is joy no matter what's going on well what because what does the spirit do the spirit when he comes he uh jesus calls me the spirit of truth when he comes so guide you into all truth and then that john 17 passage also says that we're sanctified by the truth your word is truth so when you think about the role of the holy spirit going back to the porn star that you mentioned that had bound i i i i guess gave her life to christ but then goes right back immediately into the pornography what that says is is that she doesn't really trust in god and so belief is trust expressed in life and that that's really what it means when we say we put our our belief in christ this is a cognitive acquisition of just that kind of knowledge it's a different kind of knowledge it's it's it's i believe i trust in the provisions of christ i trust in his ways and when i do that what i'm actually saying is i trust that his way will yield joy and and that enables me to actually suffer and go through difficult times because if you read what uh what paul says that for the joy set before christ he endured the cross so for christ himself as an example like christ was able to suffer horrendously on the cross but the bible says that what motivated him to be able to do that was that there was some joy that was set before him and that was what enabled him to endure the cross and in the same way we can endure things because we actually do believe that god's way is better so it's that um that whole desiring god concept that i love that john piper says that god's most is most glorified in us when we're most satisfied at him so our satisfaction and experience of joy is not on a on a different track than than than giving god glory and loving for him those are actually on the same exact track you can't have one without the other because one leads to the other they're they're they're they're mirror images of each other well and then i think that leads to the new creation he born again because paul addressed these kind of arguments like you brought up with the with the born star it it made me think of romans five and you know the little heading over romans five is peace and joy and you start reading you're like oh those are fruits of the spirit and he's like therefore since we have been justified through faith we have peace with god through our lord jesus christ and we've gained access by faith into this grace and then it says and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of god not only so but we also rejoice in our sufferings so so we're back to that yeah but that leads to him saying while we were sinners christ died for us you know god demonstrates his love verse eight while we were still sinners christ died for us but the very next chapter he brings up this argument because he knows what happens in human minds they're like what shall we say then shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase you know and in first john's context it's like oh we have all this but are we really sure that jesus became a man i mean okay this is great he's giving us interest but are we really sure of that but but in paul's case he then goes to know we shouldn't sin so that grace increase which is why john's fixity launched into that about our sins if we claim we're without sin we're alive if we confess our sins and it kind of goes back to that psalm 90 god knows our secret sins and we're now in a relationship with him and it's going to last forever let's come on and come out with the truth since you have the spirit about what's going on and that's the relationship that works but then paul uses that argument roman six he's like we died to sin don't you know that all of us who were baptized into christ these were baptized into his death we were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that just as christ was raised from the from the dead to the glory of the father we too mean may live a new life and so i've asked that question so many times of people who they're doing something that's obviously not godly and they're like i don't you know i don't i don't know what the problem is and i've asked this question so many times and it's so profound because i always say well who died and who did we bury when you surrendered to cry i'll say did you surrender your life to christ and it's usually some years ago oh yeah i surrendered to christ but now you're living the exact opposite of what you know to be godly and we're sitting here on the couch having a conversation who did we bury and that's just always a real profound moment in people's lives because it's echoing what roman six here is saying and i think it's a good question for everybody to ask is is this real or not are we really having a relationship do we really believe it i mean think about what the spirit's revealing to us i mean you had mentioned earlier in this podcast about making the backstrap and for miss k and we talked about crawfish pie you know in between podcasts and i was thinking like a good analogy would be as if miss k is eating spam and you're like hold on there's a new chef in town he's right across the road from your house just walk over here and there's this meal that i prepared for you we've got crawfish pie we've got the fried deer steak we've got the bed i mean this is a table i mean this is a spread that that there's joy over here yeah and then she says oh yeah i i and she tells all her friends guys i got a new chef jayce is taking over he's doing all the cooking i've got a new chef now but instead of going over there she just pulls out her spam and keeps eating it you're like well i thought you believe oh yeah i believe in jayce he's he's the cook now it's everything it's the best food ever but you're eating the spam do you really yeah y'all yeah i believe that you don't believe that there's a meal over there if you're still eating the spam you don't actually believe for our revelation for all our listeners in hawaii it's not we're not saying spam is bad but what we're saying is i'll take this if you eat spam right after you've eaten fried backstrap with a with a side of crawfish pie homemade with the the crust that just is is hard to describe it so good if that spam does not make you gag you're delusional oh no we just lost home it would literally make you vomit it's stopping and i think to put in your lifestyle here you have the spirit and your god is using you and then all of a sudden you're gonna take a break and go eat some spam no i do i do think y'all are both tapped into what john is going to put forth and i think we've set it up properly because the idea of the holy spirit is the difference makers the cleric paracletus which we're going to get into in two one because it's christ then sending the spirit to us and why would you want to go back which is paul's whole point that he makes in roman's five six and set why would you want to go back like it's it's not worthy of who you are now and i think that becomes the picture that we want to do going forward and he's going to start that next time we come back with this idea that god is light and zack i love what you said earlier truth shines light and once it's lit up why would you want to go back to the darkness it's you know that's not where you need to be so it does change us the holy spirit is the game changer because once the portal is open then there's an understanding of what true light is why would you want to live in darkness any longer which is going to be john's well the reason we're going at this at nauseam is because we tend as human beings to make it all complex yeah and we're all involved in people's lives and they sit down and they're like they've heard the gospel they're like i just don't know what my problem is when it all comes down to that passage uh zack recited in that prayer in john 173 it's like well do you believe this or not yeah i mean because you're actually like it's complex i don't know oh no it's pretty clear it's pretty clear you're eating spam claiming you're eating spam and it's because that's your following the greatest chef ever oh you got me because think about where all the first john's going is really to this thing in john first on five where he says that the commandments are not burdensome so if i view them as a burden then that tells me something i'm missing some part of the story if you hear if you read this you hear the gospel you hear what god's calling to you so oh this this is a burden you're missing something very important either one jesus's line or two you're missing something because the bible says here john says that his commandments are not burdensome so that's the thing we got to start thinking about and i think that's the whole point of first john is pulling us into this understanding we can see oh wow they're not burdensome they're actually the keys to us finding the thing that we want most which is life all right so we're going to get a little bit deeper into this as we go in first john so appreciate you being along for the ride see you next time on unashamed thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by leaving a rating and review on 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