AI Will Never Be A Leader - Says Sally Bendersky

AIs cannot be leaders because leadership is a human relationship issue. Leadership is a people's issue. Management is a process issue or a results issue. Both of them incredibly important. And unfortunately for some, they have to have competences in both domains. But they're so different. Good people use it for good things. Bad people use it for bad things. and blind people, which might be the majority, don't know what they're doing. AI can be disastrous and it can be a developer of humanity. But it's not AI that's going to do it. It's the human capacity behind AI that will make decisions. But AI has no emotional intelligence. AI has no wishes. AI has nothing. Yeah, so it's essentially about the human in the loop, in a firm even more, and the AI can't take over the leadership. You, you listeners, you have to take over the leadership and you have to learn how to lead in the AI world, which is not making things easier. Welcome to another episode of The Beginner's Guide to AI. 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But before I talk too much here, let's just give the microphone to Sally Bernderski and talk about AI and leadership and change management. yeah i can talk a lot about sally benderski but the best thing is she talks about herself but first of all sally welcome to the podcast thank you so much i'm very happy to be here great i believe in the global world not like everyone I believe in the global world and I love it that we're quite far from each other and talking the same psychological language. This is so interesting. We have like six time zones between us and still everything works. This is the magic of tech. And actually tech is the thing I wanted to ask you, Sally, is what got you interested in tech or AI? What was your way into it? Well, I'm an engineer and in part of my life, I was during five years the head of a technology and development center. That was the name that we gave them at that time. and I worked in that center and then 18 years later I was appointed the executive director of that institution after I left it. And since then I think I've been a promoter of innovation. This is great. By then, when I became the head of that technology center, I was already a coach, a certified coach and I think I'm certain of that I belong to the first cohort of certified professional coaches Coaches I think have been on earth since the beginning of time but certified professional coaches, I belong to the first cohort yeah this is this is interesting because i can so imagine like there's always someone someone tries to make fire and there's then someone next to him and tell him no do it this way do it that way so there's always a coach and now we have a certification he's a coach on making fire yeah yeah and he can't do it but it's like cliche would be yeah well that happens with some coaches It hasn't been so easy to validate the profession. It's not an easy profession and people sometimes don't take it seriously. In Chile, there are some companies that say, I do not want any coach whatsoever to be hired. I am a coach since 30-something years And I am a chemical engineer since 53 years. And I've not been an engineer. I haven't practiced the chemical part of engineering, but I have been an engineer all my life. And I just finished my term as the president of the Chilean Academy of Engineering. And so I integrated my studies. Definitely, because actually this is what I think, what really stands out because you say coaching or not or so but times change just now things get much quicker much more complicated and people don't know what to do is it different now what you say like this chat GBT AI moment do things change more or is it just another technological you saw a lot is it just another technological stuff. I've seen the development of technology of innovation I was one of the first people to use the term innovation in my country, and that was in the mid-90s. Terminology has changed. There are certain things that don't change. And that's very important when we think about AI, because things that AI doesn't have and will not have, at least for the time that we can think of, those things are very they don't move they hardly move those are our principles our ethics our value system uh our our our the value that we want to offer that doesn't change and that's basically very human and that's why it was not enough for me to be an engineer because what you saw in my time studying engineering we weren't a lot of women we were very few women, almost no women we didn't have female bathrooms to begin with at our campus and you saw a group that was passionate about something and it was debating about I don't know, a constant or a variable of a differential equation humans are much more than that and i think that's why today at least in chile civil engineering is doesn't have the status it used to have and people like you economists they have they have gone up and environmentalists, etc. And I think that's very detrimental for national development. The thing is, I think we might be at a changing moment from my interviews. I think at least half of the people are some kind of engineers and they all work in AI. So I think it's the comeback of the engineer, kind of, because you have to have a systematic mind. You don't have to be a mathematician. You also have to kind of at least a little bit understand how real world systems work and how humans work. And I think the engineer is coming back. Engineering is coming back. If you see China, China is an engineering country and you can see its fast development in the last five years. But on the other hand, at least in my country, there has been some improvement, but not enough because the mindset, the way people see the world hasn't changed so much in each profession. And so the engineering mind has not changed so much. And so we are, I would say, every year more blind to what we need and to what we're lacking. This is definitely, yeah, yeah. But not, I think it's just if you also see leaders of firms and so, but this is the perfect, perfect question, follow-up question. So we need to change. We need to change our mindset. And your firm is called New Leadership. So it's a new thing we have to develop. What's the... Well, the new... Yeah, exactly. The new leadership is that I defy the traditional conception of leadership as equating it with management. Management could not be more different than leadership. Leadership is a people's issue. Management is a process issue or a results issue. Both of them incredibly important. And unfortunately for some, they have to have competences in both domains. But they're so different. and people are not taught leadership in a practical way. They learn leadership as if it were a process. And leadership is not a process. Leadership is a completely human thing and a human capacity that must be developed. And that's what I work on, new leadership. When I created the name, AI didn't exist at all. Oh, okay. Maybe there were some translations, very poor language translation. It was a very weak start. That was what existed when I created the name. But the need for understanding that companies are some idea that a human had or has and that he collects other humans and create, I don't know, a type of bonding. and they decide that they want to create a certain, satisfy a certain need that is for other humans. So the word human can be placed in every part of a sentence where you are describing what a company is. And that is not something that is taught or understood even today. And I think when AI is developing and people think that because AI has such a speed for learning, but we need to have a conversation about what it is they learn. They have such a great capacity for learning and for statistical gathering and for speed. And they're fantastic. I love AI, but AI has no emotional intelligence. AI has no wishes. AI has nothing. AI, if it's not led by humans who have what needs to be had in order to lead well, AI can be disastrous and it can be a developer of humanity. But it's not AI that's going to do it. It's the human capacity behind AI that will make decisions. AI doesn make decisions They just compile huge amounts of data and they process them with a speed that we humans will never have So it's wonderful that there are things that we don't need even to learn. So we can concentrate on being better humans. This is actually great because the problem with AI is, does AI, this is the basic question behind this, does AI take our job? And you say, okay, maybe the management. It could. It could take our jobs if we don't develop ourselves with all the capacity that our recursive learning mind has. We learn from what we learn. So we should be far more advanced as a mass, because there are some geniuses. usually there are a lot of autists also who are geniuses and they're more robotic than something else. But what I mean is that I resent the fact that we don't use all our capacity to learn what we need to learn, and that is to be more conscious, to be more aware of who we are, who we want to be, what we need to do to be who we want to be, who we want to be, and also what we have to do in order to be who we want to be. But the most important thing is who we want to be and who we want to serve when we talk about work and how. And that is always going to be human. And we are not very keen. Where do you learn that? I studied psychology at the university, you know. I studied three years of psychology, and then I became a coach in the meantime. And I said, look, I'm already a gestalt therapist. I'm an engineer. I'm a coach. I don't need to complete my psychology studies. But what happened the first two years of my psychology study is that in every subject, They tried to infuse on us the concept that they were science. Psychology is a science because of scientific method. Anthropology. And I said, what's this bullshit? What's important in psychology about being a science? What is important about that? So, you see, people, we haven't been taught to ask the right questions. And we copy a lot of what we see. And sometimes we need to innovate or create, which is not the same. The question that I have in mind, I don't know if it's detracting from the topic, but I now have AI. Can AI help me ask the right questions? Yes. I'm seeing it. only, of course, if you ask AI to help you in the realm of what AI is capable of doing. So what can AI do? They can analyze patterns. You want to analyze patterns? Ask AI for help. Manage statistical information that somebody gave them. They didn't invent the information. Somebody gave it to them. But they can assemble it and they can analyze it with a speed that we will never be able to. And so they can be masters in helping you there. So the help I receive is unmeasurable, the help I receive from AI. But AI itself teaches me that it cannot be replaced by me. I mean, he cannot replace or she cannot replace me. So there's really a difference. And if you talk about, let's come to the leaders and many of the listeners here are in senior positions. So there's a thing AI can do. Let's say basically management, managing things, using data and so. But the other thing, the leader part, and I had to definitely think about this charismatic leader. AI is probably not the charismatic leader. It's not having authority. You don't need to be charismatic or anything. You can be charismatic. You can be an introvert. You can be the way you are. But knowing how you are and knowing what you want to be and knowing what you have to do in order to do what you have to do in order to be who you want to be helps you to be the kind of leader you need to be. Now, there are people who don't believe in leadership. I don't agree with them because we're not, we don't have the same vocations, every one of us. There are people who like, I don't know, to be more comfortable and do what they're told, and there are people who are more inventive. And so diversity is something that I look for. I like it. But when we go to what happens with AI, AI is a phenomenal... Look, it's like saying the best internist I will ever have as my first assistant is AI. I will never have a human that is going to be such a great... But I have to be in the room all the time because he doesn't know how to make decisions because he wouldn't know how to, I don't know, how to plan a party. And we need to have parties as humans, and we need to have fun, and we need a lot of things that AI doesn't know about. And so if you leave the integrity of the human being, the human soul, the human mind, if you cut it and you say, well, let's do with this only, which is a little bit what non-engineers think we engineers are, that we are a little robotic. We only use logic and linear processes. Luckily for me, I happen not to have a linear, how can I say, brain. Yeah, I feel you there. I also don't think really in those linear things. And I remember just one of the guys, a software engineer from Microsoft said, but how do you, I asked him, how do you propose a change that you use AI instead of like before not AI? And he's like, yeah, I show them it's better and they all accept it. And I was like, but it's only engineers or, because normal people would say, okay, might be better in this way, but this is not, engineers tick differently. They're like, okay, it's better. Yeah, they don't mind being clones. They don't mind being cloned and cloning. But they should mind. Yeah. So the human factor. The richness is in variety. But it's not only variety. Look, what's the most important thing in our lives? It's not the facts. The things that orient our lives are the stories we tell ourselves. And the stories we tell ourselves come from interpretations. And interpretations are a deeply personal thing. Very, very influenced, of course, by the environment. We learn a lot of things from the environment that we think are our thoughts. No, they are infused to us, you see. So the thing is the lack of integration that AI is composed of to our health. And we need to understand that. But AI can be disastrous in the hands of vicious people. And we're seeing some leaders that can use AI with no problems, with evil intentions. Because, you know, you can have a person that thinks A, that has a mindset A, and a mindset B that is opposite mindset A in almost everything. Well, you're going to make a prompt. A is going to make a prompt and B is going to make a prompt. And what the results of AI are going to be absolutely different. Absolutely different. So I think the human factor with AI is more important than ever. Yeah. I just had the idea as you are coaching people, this is a little cynical thought that sometimes AI might be the better leader than the people that actually are in the positions. Absolutely, yes. In some senses. But if you have a very toxic, authoritarian, classist, racist, xenophobe, which there are, top guy, and he's not that logical and he gets angry, etc. You know, AI doesn't get angry. Tell him what you want. They don't have emotions, so they don't get angry. And they're not happy. So they make the middle. If one would say, okay, that would be the middle. You can go for the middle. If you have a middle class leader, so mid-level, mid-level, it would be an AI leader. But you know what? AIs cannot be leaders because leadership is a human relationship issue. You are a leader because the people whom you lead think you are a leader. If not, and they will tell you, what kind of power does this man have? He's a jerk. He only has a position. It helps. Of course it helps to have a position. But the position is just a starting point that makes it easier to become a leader if you know that you have to relate to the people you work with. Yeah. And that AI won't do. Yeah. I just remember this thing somebody said that authority is not that you have a position, but that people follow you. Exactly. And AI doesn't have the ability to make them follow you. And then when you have developed that, the following part, then there are other gurus who will say, no, not even that. A good leader is somebody who helps other people become leaders. And I agree with that. That is the next level. Yeah, really. I love this philosophy because I don't want to be the leader of the people and telling them and sending them somewhere. I want that they do that themselves because they know what they know. That really is a thing. And coming back to this AI topic, how much did this change how you have to work or you work with people? Is it problematic? Do people just use chatGPT for management to manage their people? How deep is the problem or is it a problem at all now? Or is it helping? For me? For the people you teach or coach. Yeah. For the people I teach, it is hardly a problem because it's voluntary. What I'm interested in is the personal transformation of the people, which will allow them to be better leaders. And AI will never be a leader. Now, you have to be sort of dumb not to use the possibilities of structuring conversations, of structuring, logical structure. AI is phenomenal for logical structuring. So what you can take, I don't know, three weeks, four weeks, a month sorting out, AI will sort it in three minutes, four minutes. And I use that because he sorts the first thing I do in my prompts. And I use prompts from others too And then I start arguing And when I argue we both not AI both according to what I arguing improve the first solution made So if I can show that, which I think is very easy because I just need to show a simple example. If I can show that, I think you can show everything. You can show that AI can be devastating if you nurture AI with inconsistent or evil intentions. Because they don't have intentions. AI doesn't have intentions. It's we who have intentions. Yeah, yet. But that is a question for the end of the interview, the intentions. No, but so the thing is, I have this example in mind where a leader of a firm, he's just proposing JGBT solutions to everything and sends those JGBTs and thinks this is easy. and people are like yeah no it's not that easy but they can't tell the boss that actually management by chatGPT is not working and the question is do you have many people who don't know how to responsibly use the technology or are they more like open to it in a positive end? It's new and there are a lot of managers who will use it, but will use it, I don't know, will use it as a calculator. But when we had no calculators, I used, we call, I don't remember the name in English. No, yeah, this, the balls. These sticks, these sticks that we like to multiply. Regla de calculo. but I don't know how we call it in English. Regla de cálculo in Spanish. I just need to know the German one. So yeah, this is it. Yeah. But we used a little stick here and suddenly the calculators arrived. There were huge machines. You were left without your desk because you needed to put the machine to make the multiplication. Well, they use it for that. And fine, fine, no problem. But it's a pity. It's a pity. I promise you that I think I have a deeper insight in what I need to do with my clients after starting to work with AI. The insight is mine, but the solutions and the structure that I'm given is something that I question, not that I question things about it, And we go improving it. We go improving it. It's not that I take five minutes. They take five minutes or four minutes or two minutes in replying to my first question. But then I have, I don't know, 50. And we go going deeper and deeper and deeper. But, but, patterns, statistics, logic, calculations. that's what we go deeper in yeah no that totally makes sense this is not just and this is actually the interesting thing I started with this is it do managers use it for good things or bad things and you well here here you can't we are I'm not talking about managers we're talking about people yeah okay let's say people but the funny thing do people who are managers use it for good things or for bad things. Good people use it for good things. Bad people use it for bad things. And blind people, which might be the majority, don't know what they're doing. And exactly. And this is the interesting point. The third group of people, like you say, they don't know what they do. They use it as a calculator. And it's this unused opportunity that is actually interesting. Absolutely. Absolutely. So when you ask me if my clients would be weary of using AI if they are. I am not a coach of AI. I think AI is marvelous and I want to offer it to my clients if they don't want it. It's their thing. But I can't see somebody who really wants to progress and to be transformed and to open all the domains of possibilities that he can take hold of, I can't believe that he wouldn't want to work with AI. Yeah. This is actually, yeah, this is a good thing to know because you have to use it. You have to use it the right way. And you have to know, actually, this is the thing you mentioned a lot. It's like this is the human that's important and the tech is there, but it has to be the human. The human has to be in the center. To begin with, technology is going to be invented by machines, the Internet of Things, etc. But those are based on statistical information and analyzing. And analysis is something very important and very typical of engineers. Analyzing patterns. Now, if you can trust because he has a lot of information about you, and you start thinking that he's your friend, he's never going to be your friend because you cannot be friends with somebody who is unintelligent and emotionless. But you start thinking because they were taught to write very friendly. And so, but when it has, when AI has all the information it needs about you, it can be so helpful. And you can also help AI to do great things, greater things, not only based on logic, but based on your values. Who is your income at fleeting? As a mentor tendencies you on that 무�wdents you where you array the fruit. This is the thing I want to take and kind of mirror this to you, Sally. What was the biggest wow moment with AI you had in the last week's month or so? Because you said doing great things with AI. Where were you like, wow, this is possible. This is bringing me to the next level. or could be private, could be business, whatever, really, really was wowing you. You know what it is? It's something very subtle. It's understanding that debating with AI is so, so useful because that is the key to open up depth, to go in depth. You say yes, and please, please give me three more something. And he will always say, oh, what a good question or what a good comment or oh, you're fantastic. Okay, maybe we can change that because it's a little bit tiring. But knowing, I think much more. I think much more. I have always been a sort of deep thinker. You see, I'm a therapist, I'm a coach, I'm an artist also, I play the piano, I'm a writer. I'm a lot of things, so I'm not a very traditional engineer. But anyway, and I'm also an engineer who has been able to be the head of the Academy of Engineering, so well known, at least. And so what I mean is I feel clearer. So I'm less afraid. While others are more afraid, I'm less afraid. Because I'm learning how to coordinate my actions with AI. And so probably in the future, I will need, I don't know, very few human employees and a lot of bots and things, but well trained by me. I train them, not they train me. They don't train. They don't train. They're not trained. Yeah. They are less like. And people don't understand that. I have to see what there's a very famous Israeli historian that I'm very fond of him. You might know his name, Yuval Noah Harari. And he is very much against AI, but he's also very much against stupidity. And I think ultimately what he means is let's stop being so stupid. We have the opportunity now to use AI in a good way. And so we are not going to have to do a lot of things that we used to have to do, but we are going to be then free to do so many more interesting and fantastic things. The interesting thing is, I mean, your book is on my reading list, the new one, and yeah, one needs more time. This is a thing I realize now. We should talk again. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is, what I found interesting is that you said you have now like a machine, person, whatever you can talk to and then you can go deeper. If I'm a leader of a big firm, I have 20 people around me, I can ask questions, I can go deep. But I think I won't reach that depth because the machine does work more in my favor, in what I want, than 20 people I can ask questions. Do you think it's a different quality? It depends on the kinds of questions. If there are questions that deal with patterns, with statistical information, with analyzing, and I'm missing one, then I think it's better to talk to the machine. But if you need to integrate the being, all the being with the logic and with the emotions, and I have a method to integrate. I created a method to integrate your physical presence, your emotions, emotions and feelings and moods and your verbal language. If you integrate these three things, then you have a person. And if you incorporate the spiritual being, I am not so competent there. And so I'm working as a student on that, but I'm not teaching anything related. And besides, spirit has to do, I think, with the cosmos. It's not enough to talk about spirit staying in our Earth. so these three things presence, emotions, language and that's a method I created and I created it I don't know maybe 10, 12 years ago AI was non-existent but I can incorporate this method with all the analysis that AI is capable of doing and you know what I can spare myself from Talking to thousands of people I will only have to talk to dozens not to thousands And plus AI. So in this rapid era, we can be quicker with AI. Yeah, that's good. That's actually really a thing. a change of quality a change of the same method but you can it's like I just sprung to my mind that you could do all those computer things like calculator or whatever with a big calculator but you can do it with a small one you come much further so the method is the same but the tools are better now and you come you can really get more out of it you can absorb more quantities of things that leads to the much quicker, much better leads to last question of the interview if things get with AI get quicker, better and so are we in risk of the Terminators take over or we live in a matrix soon what is your opinion on that? You are asking me about Terminator and Matrix let me differentiate them I'm quite a fan of distinctions because I think distinctions allow us to observe more in depth and we can learn more. I don't think AI goes in the line of terminators, regardless of the intentions. But the intentions, nevertheless, are always from, well, the species. the species and and ai is not a species not an organic species an organic being so as to be filmic so as as not to say only people the organic being can be very evil and they can want to finish the world and ai won't be able to do anything about it that's one thing something else is the matrix. AI can't do anything either, but if you find people who want to control the world with evil intentions, then those people can interact with AI so that AI will be incredibly effective in providing them with the results they want, and they can do devastating things. But it's not AI that's making them. AI is being a vehicle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In both cases, it's not. Of human intention. That totally makes sense to me. Because at the moment, the AI doesn't act on itself. And it does, I mean, you can send Terminators, but there would be some human behind it, or you have a matrix and someone would control it. Totally makes sense to me, yeah. Yeah, so it's the human species that has the components given by whomever you want to have been given by God or by the cosmos or by the universe or by whatever forces. And you have them. And then the use that the humans make of things, they're doing it now. They are doing it now. I remember I was in Israel in the year 2003 and I was interviewed because Chile didn't say yes to the war in Iraq. They went with it afterwards, but I don't know if you remember that Tony Blair wanted to wait three weeks because nobody had found any, not one, weapon of mass destruction. So we needed to know whether we're fighting against weapons of mass destruction or this is going to be another type of war. And it was so logical. I mean, we didn't need AI. AI didn't exist in 2003. I was there in Israel and it was incredible. He interviewed me in a television program. And he asked me two questions that I will never forget. What is the European Union paying you? I mean, what is your degree of corruption that you're saying no? And I wasn't saying no. I was saying let's wait two or three more weeks, that's all. And the other thing is I can't believe that being a representative of a country, you can say such amount of stupid things, he said to me. The journalist. so you see you see it's uh and and and when i talk about these things the somebody will say ah it's human nature no it's not human nature human nature is the capacities the capabilities that we are equipped with we are equipped with enough capabilities even to suppress the 10 the brain's tendency to go first for the negative, you know? This is like the Einstein thing that there's two things that are, I don't know what you have said, endless or this one is the universe, the other is human stupidity, but with universe I'm not really sure. so it's I don't think I cited right in English but anyway the point is that you don't need machines to be stupid oh no this is probably the no that could be so but if you have very highly efficient machines and you're highly stupid you can do devastating things and I think some of us think that we might be somewhere around there And that's why I think coaching today for very high leaders is so important because I'm sure you can find sensible people who are living in an environment in which, well, they don't have the possibility of seeing certain things. But when you show them, they will look at them. and I think this is a good perfect way to end the podcast because people out there if you have positions if you are in leadership roles think about what you do or I mean you can ask Sally and actually the thing where do we find you Sally? Well I could give you you can find me in LinkedIn with my name my web is quite still my website I do have a website but I don't recommend it because I'm not using it so much I'm I'm I'm working more with LinkedIn and and I have an email and I have a phone number so through you anybody can find me or or put Sally Bederski in Facebook in Instagram in any way you want perfect I would put everything in the show in in all social in all social media. I am an ex, but I don't use it. No, no. Me neither. The same, yeah. But you're really active, I see. So people connect to Sally and... I'd love to have conversations. And really, Dietmar, I love this conversation. And one of the reasons I loved it is because we are so sort of like-minded. But if we wouldn't have been like-minded, I would have liked it also if we have had a sensible, reasoned, gentle conversation. This is mostly, I think this is like in those times that are so aggressive times. And so it's about talking, even if you have different opinions. And yeah, definitely. Yeah, this is great. We need to have different opinions because if not, we are clones of each other. Yeah, yeah, no. but then talking to each other yeah, that's important so Sally, thank you for being on the podcast thank you so much for having me and maybe sometime later we can have another conversation it depends on your viewers and your listeners yeah, we do that thank you for, well I'll say thank you for listening and thank you for watching us whenever it's time to do so yeah, thank you again And Sally, the things I take from this interview, the most important thing is we humans have stories. We live with stories. And I know this from psychology that starting with four years, we develop an understanding of stories. And this is what we are made for, what a leader is made of, of stories and telling stories. So, yeah, AI can't do that. AI can work with logical structures, with data, and we should use that. We should talk to the AI, go deeper and connect our story knowledge, our brain that we have, that has all the different levels with the possibilities of the AI to get better at decisions, to get better at leadership. The AI won't take over. There will always be a human in the loop, but it should be one that is enhanced by the ability of the AI. Sounds good. Sounds great. I totally can imagine that. Yeah, thank you for staying to the end of the episode. Don't forget to go to beginnersguide.nl to get the newsletter and get all the episodes in your mailbox. A big thanks to Andrea Andreescu, Lotte Braun and Melanie Westerman for making this podcast possible. And one quick thing. 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