UFO Transparency Is Closer Than Ever - Will Trump Take Action?

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And then they discover skinwalkers at the Pentagon, and they discover, awesome, they're going to say, this movie is inaccurate. And I think Danny, you brought it up. Something we know about. We know this isn't accurate. What else do we not know about that they're talking about? It's also not accurate. So it's going to, you know, it's going to put that out there, and we want transparency and truthfulness. And I understand not wanting to go there because it gets really messy with orbs and, you know, the biological facts and what Jay Stratton and his family experience. And you're calling for disclosure and honesty. And we want to know the truth. Tell us the truth. We can handle the truth. We want transparency. You got to live up to that standard too. And, uh, also I've got the 22 million. That's the money that Reed got for it. A tip came later. It grew out of it. It did not have a budget that we know of. Lu Elzondo and Jay Stratton were involved in it. But they have had very vigorous, I'll put it that way, vigorous disagreements about what program did what. And the people who were involved directly with Allsaf, who were here in Las Vegas, are not likely to come forward and raise his thing about it. They're just not. But I can tell you, they watched this and they were pretty upset about it. It was Jay Stratton who's, he's been so straightforward about this. And I really respect what he talks about it. But he, I think he was dancing around something. He says, we bumped into the legacy program. I'm, I'm sorry, I'm not buying that for one second. I don't think you bumped into it. I think that Jay Stratton, you know, had direct knowledge of the legacy program. This is weaponized. This is weaponized. Kind of a special episode. I'm George Napp, fighting here in the bunker in Las Vegas. Jeremy Corbell, my friend and colleague, how you doing? I'm great man. I'm very excited to talk to our buddies today. Yeah, we've, we're joined by cast of thousands today. And looking forward to having a really robust conversation. You know, Jeremy, for me, 39 years ago this month, is when I jumped into the game. 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I know that you know there are going to be people who don't like it because we've already seen all that on on social media but we now have 34 different national security folks who are in this film who've come forward to say bits and pieces of the story that you and I have been telling for a long time are true that this is real that it's a real legitimate subject that we need to consider. I believe that age of disclosure if you do a UFO show or podcast you are now required by law to talk about that movie and so we're going to meet the requirements of those statutes but I think we might take it into a different direction given the buried opinions that we've gathered here with our friends Ryan Robbins who used to be known as a UFO Jesus who produces these excellent vidgets and editorial comments on YouTube Danny Silva who was once known as the silver record the reporter of a silver record now wants to be known as a diva and I understand he is he's in the business is selling used hot dog equipment and UFO Joe Joe Verge who writes these gigantic compendiums of information and transcripts on Twitter that the whole topic appreciates Jeremy what do you think about the movie now you saw we saw it together at the premiere in Austin in the spring you watched it again since then give us your take well yeah first of all this is going to be a co-opinus cavalcade of conversation George because the cool thing about our friendship with the people you just mentioned is that oftentimes we violently disagree on fundamental aspects of this UFO topic but we've maintained our friendship and been able to talk it through and to me it's a very special relationship I really respect each of these people in their opinion so I am way more interested in hearing their opinions because I know that how dissected things in ways that I couldn't or didn't but just in general like I said and on other episodes of webinars I am so happy that this movie exists the ability of this movie to exist it was well made a lot of people we know a lot of people we've brought forward you know initially on this topic we're shown and featured in such a cool it really is a huge endeavor to make a film like that so I congratulate Dan I congratulate his whole team I congratulate you know Jay Stratton everybody Luel is on a people that participated now of course I've got some bones to pick with the movie on factual reality but then I also want to say we learned a lot of things that were never uttered in this in the way that they were in this film before so overall man I think it's really important that everybody watch this film I think that you have to not just turn off your brain after you watch it it should lead you to inquiry and it feels really good to have a discussion like this kind of booming into the media but we have to be careful we have to be careful just after the last hearing which is not featured in this movie because the timeline of when the movie was made right after the hearing you know we had an assassination to Charlie Kirk and the media took over and a lot of what could have been picked apart from that hearing wasn't so we have an opportunity now to really push so that we can gain more understanding and put the pressure on people grind them down to make more disclosures and I think that falls upon us and journalists in general to do that so I see this as a huge opportunity and I just hope we don't lose it because of one little thing that can happen from an international event that's how I feel about the movie yeah I mean you're right about the congressional hearing a lot of information came out directly related to the content of this movie um crash retrievals reversing engineering program people who'd come forward and spoken about it we've interviewed all of us in this group have interviewed and talked about and written about the material that came forth in the movie in bits and pieces the power of it is having all those people in one in one place spill in the beans I you know it depends on what the audience is which audience you're talking about how much affected has for the UFO believers who already accept this stuff as truth and people who are generally interested in the topic I think it reinforces what they've believed for a long time and that's a positive for people on the edges of it who have a casual sort of interest I think the PR campaign is maybe more important than the movie Dan Farrow was on Joe Rogan he was on on CNN he was on with Bill Mar he's been everywhere and millions tens of millions of people have seen those interviews who will likely not pay 20 25 bucks to watch the movie but got the message there are so many articles that have been written about it the headlines pack a lot of influence people who will read that read the headline part of the article and never watch the movie but it'll stick with them and then of course you got another audience of people who hate it who don't believe it and that includes UFO believers and non-believers you'll hear them the same bitching and moaning all right you had a bunch of people talking about it the programs are real yeah they're big shots but where's the proof where's the evidence where's the data same thing and then the skeptics say I'm the same exact thing Michael Schirmer germ you sent me an article that he had written yeah yeah say all this stuff all you want but where's the evidence well you know these these people are saying it's classified programs national security we can't show you all that stuff but we're telling you it's real and they're the same position as the UFO die-hard to say I won't believe it until you show me the craft and show me the bodies which is not gonna happen which is not so I don't know who wants to jump into this first you know I think the movie's a good thing overall and it's powerful and the PR campaign has been maybe more important than the movie itself but we'll see Ryan why don't you start it off what you think about the movie and where do you want to take it what does it mean yeah I thought I was a very excellent movie you could tell there was a lot of effort and money put into it it wasn't done haphazardly it was well researched and well edited I was I know there's a lot of interesting developments in that that movie but I was really interested in Jim Clapper talking about a UFO program the studying UAP entering training ranges such as area 51 maybe other training ranges and my question is like what's actionable with that how can you have the former director of national intelligence and the former director of the defense intelligence agency who's he had a long Air Force career I mean he's as mainstream and as credible as you get how can he get on this documentary say there's a UFO program funded by taxpayer dollars and yet arrow just as an example are our UFO program and the pentagon's put up by by Congress is saying there's nothing to see here there's no evidence of extraterrestrials as I like to put it because they don't want to say non-human intelligence and yet James Clapper is telling us wait a minute no there's a UFO program well okay well there's nothing to see here then why is our UFO program is it still going on and and just today Chris Melon he had a video put out in the I think he was the disclosure foundation and he he was calling for people to testify in the oath to the congressional armed services and intel committees four different high-level people are three different people from the Air Force one person who's um I don't know how to pronounce his last name the deputy director for science and technology at the CIA so that so to me if this film is going to count then it really has to be actionable so Congress should be inspired uh to do something subpoena people do what what what public citizens cannot do you you have all the momentum now now that this film came out so do something actionable that's what I think about it right and real quick because when you say things I got to jump in is a big deal so we had Clapper not only say there's a UFO program he was not talking about us that we would or a tip or any of that or even Kona Blue he was talking about an Air Force study an Air Force UFO tracking program now remember last Air Force program was supposed to have his project blue book that's kind of an atom bomb because what arrow didn't find that didn't reveal that to the public huh weird maybe they should have called James Clapper so that's pretty crazy to begin with let me add a little other element here James Clapper is no friend of UFO research when a sap was trying to become a special access program what's not been made public as he fought tooth and nail to kill it he was whispering to I think ashden Carter at the time was the secretary defense and and of course it did get killed but he was adamant about this is useless worthless no value here kill it and it was killed but it's I don't think that's ever come out before as far as I can recall but it's interesting now he's out on the forefront of spill in the beans a little bit he is a few a few years ago he did an interview I think it was on CNN and I think he mentioned how he may have been part of the problem of like more people don't know about this I don't know if he was referring to what you just said but yeah he was out there but that was one of his his few interviews I think it's the only interview he had given on UIP before the movie he should keep repenting then because it's really good to hear and George he specifically mentioned that they were seeing UFOs over the test site over area 51 so he's not talking about our black projects just think about that for a second right everybody he's he's not talking about our black projects he's talking about some foreign technology something that's not ours UFOs over area 51 can you imagine George why there might be UFOs over area 51 must be secret programs that planes were building or something my red and the wall street journal it was all made up they made up the whole thing they started that rumor because they had some fake UFO photos and everybody fell for it so maybe Clapper is one of those who fell for it too Jeremy mentioned awesome what is awesome I've never heard of awesome I saw the movie what is this awesome you speak of right so so I guess you know one of the things about watching age of disclosures I saw how people could come together to create a I'm gonna say a narrative that was easily digestible by the public but anybody that knows the true history of of how these UFO programs that George and I have reported on and George has reported on this before anybody we have a problem Houston we have a problem the absence of the acknowledgement of a sap was troubling to me and maybe like you guys can pick apart why you think that might be troubling I think once people start if people are new to this and they go oh this is really interesting interesting I'm gonna start digging deeper and then they discover skin walkers at the Pentagon and they discover awesome they're gonna say this movie is inaccurate and I think Danny you brought it up something we know about we know this isn't accurate what else doing not know about that they're talking about is also not accurate so it's gonna you know it's gonna put that out there and it's we want this we want transparency and truthfulness and I understand not wanting to go there because it gets really messy with orbs and you know the biological facts and what Jay Stratton and his family experience I get that but you could have mentioned Osop the paranormal connection and said we're gonna address somehow we'll address it in another movie and I know Farah has said that in interviews he mentions Osop but for the movie it may create a credibility problem which we definitely do not need yeah I'm just gonna say it man it didn't seem like it was lost in translation it seemed like they wanted you to believe that Os the the A tip you know that was correct in the New York Times and received the $22 million that funded this whole study and it just and and it ran for that long and that's just not true and that's you know I think that's okay in some ways like I'm looking big picture but George I wanted to know what you think is you reported on all this from the embryonic stage you know you were in there reporting on this before anybody ever knew about it you gave that wink in the nod in hunt for the skin walker in my movie saying something big is about to happen so it's got to kind of because your friends told these guys so it's got to kind of urquit you so can you give me your perspective I think our audience deserves the year at man well again I don't want to be a turd in the punch bowl it or rain on the parade of the movie because it's a great movie and it is important but that is a pretty glaring omission and it kind of I was glad to see Lou Elisando and Jay Stratton on the same stage even if they weren't entirely being entirely truthful but if you're making a movie and you're calling for disclosure and honesty and we want to know the truth tell us the truth we can handle the truth we want transparency you got to live up to that standard too and uh all sap got the 22 million that's the money that that Reid got for it a tip came later it grew out of it it did not have a budget that we know of Lou Elisando and Jay Stratton were involved but they have had very vigorous I'll put it that way vigorous uh disagreements about what program did what and and who was in charge of what that they have expressed for a number of years the fact that they've come together and found some common ground that both are able to agree on for purposes of the movie there's probably a good thing having the movie out without a bunch of internal squabbles is good but eventually Jay's gonna have his book come out I think it's still wrapped up in the dof者 process and I don't think it's going to a toe to the line of the sequence of events that we heard in the movie I just don't and because they aren't and the people who were involved directly with ASIP or a eight all sap who were here in Las Vegas are not likely to come forward and raise a stink about it they're just not but I can tell you they're they watch this and they were they were pretty upset about it okay so you we've done right for you know your friends that actually ran ASAP and did all that work it's got to feel like they're a little bit robbed you know not having that toll that part of the story but let's um maybe it's not like that it's a matter of truth maybe it's just a selective telling of a part of history I think it's a nicer way to say it because I think it is true for example another thing in the movie is when they say um it was it was Jay Stratton who who's he has been so straightforward about this and I really respect what he talks about it but he I think he was dancing around something he says we bumped into the legacy program I'm sorry I'm not buying that for one second I don't think he bumped into it I think that Jay Stratton you know it had direct knowledge of the legacy program I think Lou Elizondo probably has a large history with the UFO thing that that is not public yet and I'm sure he's dying to tell people and just maybe like can't legally because he's always said he's telling what he can legally and a lot of people come from that I know like even Dr. Lekatsky I mean I am convinced George you know not out of belief I am convinced that he was read into the legacy program well sure sounds like it from him being inside of a craft and then sharing that information with a number of notables sure sounds like it yeah he's a stickler as we both know very much to our frustration he won't go further than he's allowed to go and I suspect the same is true for Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo too they'll say what they can up to a point they'll drop hints the fact that they find a common ground to tell part of the story in advance what they know is part of this movie is good but eventually you have to come clean and tell the accurate story yeah yeah I think daddy I loved I loved Lou in it I loved J&N all these people we hadn't heard from but now retired Danny just curious you know retired from the you have a thing do you have any thoughts on all this cut net we were beating a dead horse here but it's important because it's historic fat do you have anything you you think about this so I'm retired as a blogger and I yeah I feel bad when you guys say I'm running the blog still but it's still there if anyone wants to check it out for prosperity I'm not retired from the from the UFO subject always be interested and luckily I have everyone on this live right now to hear some of the great ideas from I don't think the issues that we're bringing up right now with the movie play to the general public public as you were saying Jeremy as important as they are and as important as they are to the people involved in the programs I think OSAP and ATIP kind of get combined which we've seen ever since the New York Times article and we've seen it in public presentations those two programs just get combined and they're once again combined in this movie for whatever reason that is the movie and but you know that is an issue but at the same time I just don't know that the public general public is going to care the but as Joe said maybe they will eventually when they start reading the books and digging in it and if they're really interested in it the movie itself as pessimistic as I am these days and how jaded I am and hard it is for me to get excited about things I was really excited about the movie I was smiling and I really loved it I thought it was great it was a great recap of what we've all kind of lived through since 2017 and the progress that's been made they recapped everything it was also a great state of the union I felt like of where the UFO subject is and some of the problems it's running into I really liked how Lou kind of drove the movie it was cool to see him doing some narration they had him at the with the piece of chalk and everything that was kind of I love that the chalkboard scene or reminded me back at the Lazar when George's film and yeah I thought how put off stole the show they gave him a lot of airtime he did great it was amazing to see him talking at length which we don't always get to see we've heard him you know get interviewed by George over the years and but his interviews aren't that common and we really don't get to see him talk a lot so that was really cool I thought he really did see the show however my favorite quote in the whole movie and I wrote it down was from Stratton when he said he's talking about the legacy program and he said it's so bad that we really aren't going to make progress until someone shines the light on let them talking about the legacy program and I feel like that it may be kind of where we are with the whole disclosure thing right now and we really need to hammer down on the legacy program myself I was also kind of surprised that they gave so much attention to the legacy program in the movie and we always talk about this the progress we've seen since 2017 when I was talking to people years ago they didn't want to talk about biological effects they got really nervous like they weren't allowed to talk about it during the original to the Star's Academy TV show they really didn't even want to talk about you know aliens or non-human intelligence to like the later episodes in the show they weren't really focusing on that I mean it was implied it just wasn't a big thing that they could really talk about and now kind of the band is been ripped off it seems like and we've seen that in the show however if you notice there was no mention of at least that I remember a of productions so I don't know if maybe that's off the list that's the next next level right because I remember James George remember this James Fox he was you know going out on a limb to make a documentary about a being I remember he was really scared about it's gonna kill my credibility in the yukbo world as a filmmaker and we're all do it do it but even as a as a filmmaker a documentarian on this James Fox was having those heart palpitations he's gonna start getting into beings into aliens you know and now we're in a different place where we're having these conversations about creatures about pilots and we'll get into that a little bit later today but it's kind of neat how we're now facing it we're getting past the stigma right is that what you're saying yeah absolutely and I don't know if it's if it's stigma it I think it's stigma but it's also I always wonder by did these people I felt like whatever was they felt like they maybe they would get in trouble talking about certain things oh yeah biologics being off the table for a lot of people and also just not a lot of people are exposed to that within these programs it's a very small thing yeah it felt like the history of UFO world you know for so long people were willing uphologous types and UFO organizations were willing to agree these craft of the sky are coming from somewhere else but don't tell me they're flown by somebody else you know some aliens or something when I want to hear that stuff and abductions that was a verboten topic for a long time at a move on conference or something like that that's just crazy talk so now when you want to follow the evidence where it leads that exposure to these craft and and beings really do happen that people get sick serious injuries are caused by it and that they start seeing werewolves and stuff you know I can understand people not being willing to talk about it even the folks who are at skinwalker they kept some of that wrapped up for a long time as as crazy as it sounds it the woofactor does affect your credibility when it when it comes out you know but hop but but hop can seven he first started looking into abductions he started getting the reports if he would get somebody who had a repeated abduction like the second time he would throw the case away is like no this is no that's not that's not something that's very believable now it's like that's really part of the story um they had Terry lovelace and bob Jacobs in the movie talking about craft and Jacob's talking about the the missile with the dummy warhead being shot down over big sir both of those folks have talked about their abduction experiences um Jacob's was in Robert Hastings they have a book together called confession they both talk about their experiences so I assume Faraday interview them about that but didn't you know probably didn't have enough time to go there which I understand if you're an experiencer you're probably a little upset about that but you know once again people will see the film hopefully come to people like us and we'll say there's more to the story that you didn't get you didn't get to see in the movie so yeah but I I loved it I went to see it I saw it online and then I went to LA on Sunday night saw it I saw the panel um great audience reaction and I think the general public is really gonna like it but I don't think the general public as George mentioned is gonna pay right now 20 bucks to see it you know or I would love over Thanksgiving for that to be the most discussed topic but if I tell my family they're gonna say 20 dollars mmm I'll wait until it comes down they like the four bucks or five bucks oh man everybody should gift people the movie that yeah I'm sorry that kills me people paid 20 dollars for such crap these days on Amazon just by the day a movie everybody should watch this because it is an A to Z estimate of the situation about UFO land and everybody can see it I mean come on by the movie another big takeaway from the movie that I think will probably affect the public the most in my view is um marker rubio he was really candid uh he was just very candid and like where else he was edited that way I wanted to but because of his stature and position in the government right now I think he was probably the most important voice in the movie uh maybe not dropping the most bombs for us but as far as with the public sees and to drop people in he lented most credibility if you're if you're if you're a member of the media how do you not have a show on Sunday with Clapper and rubio's your guest talking about this topic it's like how is that not happening is it gonna happen or the movie just released the movie just released give him give him give him a beat you know usually there's a two week thing where mass media will pick up you know what you know we're doing in this kind of field but um give him a week I think it's a number one right on all the streaming services and movie rentals and stuff Ryan did you just see it now this this past week or this past weekend or have you seen it hints of it before uh the the movie yeah yeah I saw the whole thing uh one part that I thought was really well done and fascinating is when how put off was talking about the um the warp bubble and how the technology works I I mean I just found that endlessly fascinating how I don't know how certain they are this is how the technology works but based on his description if you're inside the warp bubble time travels differently you experience time differently then if you're outside the warp bubble and it was really fascinating how how put off that this may be why people experienced missing time if you get abducted and you go into these craft well you may be there for 30 minutes right and that beings on that craft are doing whatever they're doing to you for 30 minutes and then they drop you back off wherever it is and you look at your watch and it's been six hours it hasn't been well it was 30 minutes for you it was in the in the craft then it was six hours for you outside of the craft which I can't even understand but I found that really interesting and I just love the the imagery and the graphics they use to describe the the technology uh it's just it's like it's unbelievable the space time engineering component of the phenomenon of the craft I really happy they included that because just from a scientific standpoint I found it really fascinating you guys by the way if story was broken when there was a clip of Louis Luzando being interviewed by a guy named George Naffon eight news now if I'm not mistaken many years ago I mean the one is that I mean I would argue and I think I've got a very compelling case to argue that the entire concept of how these craft work is exactly as described by Lazar in 1989 and I will defend that because I took exquisite notes on this exactly what was said in the documentary but it describes the five observables because if what they are saying by a bubble Ryan is a gravitational distortion a time space distortion that is exactly what Lazar described in fact it describes the stealth um aspect of a lot of the craft if you were really listening to what he said I'm sure you were Ryan picked up on why it would describe that observable um you know how said that you know the structured feels we're beginning to be able to see due to sensor system platforms the energy signatures if so that's exactly what he said if I remember and that is true that what you're what you're capturing with these new systems is the actual signature of the energy not necessarily the craft themselves but this is exactly exactly what Lazar described in the back of the day but what is missing in this uh documentary's uh description it's not the documentaries fall it's they're not willing to talk about it which is the amount of power that it takes what would be the fuel source how would you tap into that much energy to create something that which we know can exist in our physics right and they talk about the implications of that how much energy it takes 11 billion watts it sounds like back to the future but a hundred times more than the daily power generation of of our nation is what they said in the film but I think the the real key misunderstanding here is how what would the fuel source be to enact these physical principles that we know can exist and and we observe them existing in UAP so I'm glad you brought it up Ryan I'm just saying this is not a new concept if you just look all the way back to the first times this was described to us or am I wrong George? No that's that's first time I ever heard it is back then and um I would agree with the the other guys about the importance of how as a witness in this movie how and put off an Eric Davis have said some of these things in the past uh Joe you will recall as said you probably transcribed it but they went on the coast to coast with me back in 2018 three or four months after the New York Times article came out and we started asking them about crash retrievals and how many craft we might have and how answered it and it was a I asked them the question there was a really long it felt like two and half months of a pause and then he he spilled something about it it's great to see him where he's now free and able to describe more of the details and Eric of course if you get him go and he'll tell you everything um I really found Jim Semivan to be really important too and you know talk about Wu and stigma the things that have happened to Jim and his wife are way out there they're they're pretty dramatic um but I find him to be one of the most credible witnesses of all and and uh you can make a whole film just about Jim and and and I go back just back to the award bubble so you guys saw the movie interstellar where he gets he decides to go down to the planet and since the gravity is so strong it's gonna slow time there or trap time will be different back on earth and when he gets back everybody's basically 90 years old so I think that's the same concept they're talking about so if you go in a UFO and you're abducted and you stay for a year when you get out everybody's gonna be a I don't know how much older and I don't know the difference in gravity between a war bubble and a planet but I think it's the same theory if you guys know anything different I don't know correct me that seems like the same theory on the on the war bubble and gravity no right or there's something we're not understanding when it comes to you know the actual I don't know the right word I'm not a scientist but the momentum of those bubbles like where it's traveling through our time and space might create the differential um not sure we should get some really smart physicists on here sometime but um you know this this basic idea that you've got this isolated you know pocket that is a gravitational field and that's the thing that they wouldn't just say it in the movie with a work bubble what does that mean it's working space and time it's a gravitational field around this graph um man yeah it does explain a lot of the observables and also the witness testimony Joe and and all of you guys you probably have taken testimony from people where they're like it was really weird I was seeing these pilots of this craft but it was like as if you took a VHS and fast forwarded it and they were like moving all around and that is something that has been described to me at nauseam at people that have seen beings is that there's moments where they seem to be in fast motion and you're sitting back that would also describe what is happening within that time dilation of that work bubble I don't know I'm not a physicist yeah and how put up also said this might account for stories where people are ducted and they say they they go into this small craft and suddenly when they're in the craft that the the things enormous and as far like the space they're experiencing as far bigger than they perceived from the outside which was also very interesting by the way Lu Alizando is really good on camera I mean really really good I mean I've had my differences with Lu over the last few years and now we're pretty good and I would say that no matter what he's really good on camera the blackboard scene is really going to be a great way to explain it for newbies as far as what might be going on so I'm gonna that's a good idea Jeremy buy this as a gift for Thanksgiving and Christmas it's a really great idea it'll make you less of a weirdo at the I'm entertaining it's not possible not a vasma I can't wait to hang with you well like I want to say this about Lu too like um you know he called me right after the movie dropped out and you know you could I could see Lu has let light grush stratine will be attacked but light grush has been attacked Lu has been attacked and I'll tell you just from a personal character standpoint you know Lu is an authentic person he is fighting for a good fight and he is doing his best I know that to be true I have seen him squeeze that times so no matter what these little differences are as we all talk about UFO land um I just gotta say as a character reference I have found him to be um a really credible straightforward good human being now maybe I got different experiences than a lot of his haters but I think it's important for me to say that because that has been my experience with Lu and I'm really you're right he's a great communicator and we're lucky to have him I think it's hard for people like Lu maybe harder for people like Lu who basically have been good guys the whole life fighting the good fight putting their lives on the line being heroes for our country they come out and talk about this and then just get pummeled and beaten relentlessly I mean he's taken a lot of crap over since the 2017 uh New York time story and continues to take it from friends and foe and people on all sides of this issue he gets beaten up pretty good so it's a good moment for him and and he deserves it um I'd love to um I'd love to ask you guys I mean I we didn't see Dave grush in there but we did hear from Dave grush an interview Jeremy that you helped set an emotion on Fox News and I'm I'm sure people look at this like it's all being uh you know managed stage managed that the movie comes out and then Dave's on this and Fox does a week long of series and Bill Mar does interviews and it's all being manipulated by some invisible beings or something but but that interview happened a long time ago Dave would have been a valuable addition to the movie why do you suppose he wasn't in it well I think he you know he definitely chose not to be in it I remember helping to make that connection with damn so that they could have that conversation you know I think Dave has a kind of different tactic to getting out what he knows to be true Dave is a true whistleblower this is not a managed message with with with Dave not that it is with the other guys but it is at least authorized with Dave you know he really is working on a fundamental attitude that nobody has the right to hold this back so let's let's go to his interview for one second um yeah I I helped in just trying to get uh you know him in touch with a network and a producer that would uh be able to hear what he had to say and treat it properly I mean we could have done the same George but you know president trump doesn't watch weaponize as far as as I know so um yeah so david grash talked again and I was really glad he decided to because he's not all over the media I do think that he has a difference of opinion and that's for him to talk about um when it comes to this stuff you know he really thinks everybody should just open up and say what they know for example he thinks that if Lula Zondo was part of the legacy UFO program that he should just say it go out on the limit just say it and um so I think that's the difference of opinion I think the the film would have had Dave participate if they've had agreed but I think that he was he's just on a different path am I explaining that uh clearly yeah kind of okay yeah yeah so what did he say what did he say in that Brett Bayer interview that was kind of um interesting to you guys because there's a few key things that I'm not sure if everybody really gets but now they said it I'm gonna spill the beans too what would you hear from David? I think the bombshell for me at least is he said that uh well first of all obviously he said that he had some degree of access to want it to some of the legacy programs he he he was reading official intelligent reports which is completely different than interviewing uh legacy program witnesses that's a totally different animal because he's being officially briefed into those programs by the official government not speaking to people that were in the program so I think there's a big distinction there so that would make him in my opinion of firsthand witness I don't see how anyone could say his second hand witness when he's reading the official US government intelligence reports that are highly classified giving him information on these classified legacy programs and then he said that he Brett Bayer asked him like did you see photos and he's like yeah I saw photos and then in the in the context of that was as I as I could tell was he saw photos of the beans from when they were retrieving the craft oh you got that right that's an a hard thing to to buy the tongue about you got that right yeah so he's a firsthand witness I mean he saw photographs of the beings I mean okay if you want to say it's a sia fine then fine if you want to go that route then he's a firsthand uh witness of a sia but he's a firsthand witness period yeah I agree right in official capacity access to the briefings he didn't say just read them they were visual as well and that was always kind of intonated if you really look back what David Gresh said you're right he is a firsthand witness because in official capacity he saw alien beings and those are the words those are the words that you know our government would use NHI wasn't so hip when these alleged photos were taken but he saw photos of beings bro and so I agree with you if that is true then he has a direct firsthand witness to an internal government documentation where they call I will I will I will play devil devil's advocate I agree with what you just said the problem is in your interview with LeCasque he said and I and he said it was on April fools he said they were there were photos that he saw that were going around of a craft from a certain country it was a UFO that they had at one of their air bases and he said it was shocking it wasn't obviously fake it was identified as fake but it was a good job then you have kit green when he talked to dolan a few years ago saying he was shown photos of aliens and he said I was convinced they were real and I later determined in my opinion that they were fake they were hoax that was in a Pentagon facility where I had that briefing and then I had other non Pentagon facility briefings that videos were sent to me and I determined all those were hoaxes he called it what did he had a word for it active measures so I'm not saying that happened with David gruff I'm not saying that's what he saw but I just want to include that for me I want people who actually saw the craft with their own eyes not a photo is a I don't know if you guys is a photograph going to be enough with a general public if they do release photos of craft and bodies or we are we going to need them to wheel it down you know the aisle during a hearing and say here you go here are the people who examine the bodies here are the reports here's the craft here are the people who examine the craft who worked on a day after day for five years this is why they believe it's a non human craft I think eventually that's what we'll need I don't think in my lifetime we'll see that I could be wrong I never thought we'd get to where we are right now so I hope you're wrong but of course Joe I mean we all want like the absolute evidence in the proof but what we got right now is an intelligence guy that went up racist right hand under oath and he was dancing around it then but he said it very clearly on Brett bear that he had direct access to intelligence reports with photographs of yeah and Dan Farah said he goes I'd rather have intelligence folks coming forward speaking and telling what they know over photos because they can be faked or people can say it's AI and I agree that right now that is really good but in the future we're going to need more I'm not and I'm not saying these folks need to do whatever they can to steal fault to steal the craft or the body it's I'm not saying that I realize the classified issues you know over classification so I'm not saying that I'm just saying just trying to look at it from all of you also all the points last things Grush said and then I'll hand it over I just am just make sure to hit these two points you know he did say in the Brett bear interview which I'm really glad he came forward out and started talking about but he says that you know present Trump is aware and well-breeved on the issue I would personally postulate that he has direct knowledge that President Trump is well-breeved on the issue by the way hopefully we'll find out more about that um you look Trump has positioned to know and not be obfuscated from we cannot say that for prior presidents if you look at the way the film broke it down where it's like they could be on a need to know nace basis the other presidents oh President Trump ain't having none of that so he's in a position to know and not be obfuscated from that's very different than the Clinton era I would hope so I just think that's very interesting that David Grush also said that and I think that will ring true he also said one other thing Jeremy he said and maybe I'm reading too much into this but he said on origin he said I did not see that data and I'm not conversant in the high confidence theories that the US government had so the United States government according to that does have high confidence theories on origin I would love to know that and if they do have that that should not be classified that's not propulsion that's not sources and methods agreed well if they have theories plural that suggests that they still don't know for sure right so where do we go it's a special moment here uh there is some momentum the public's attention has been caught for the moment because of the movie and and subsequent publicity and the credibility of the people who spoke up where does it go from here uh is there something that Congress can act on who should they call and um and how do you get over the problem of members of Congress not having security clearances and not being able to hear what some of these witnesses would be able to tell them I think we need to get Trump to do in an executive order to uh remove the NDAs or modify the NDAs of these witnesses so that the members of Congress and the Congressional committees can actually hear what these witnesses have to say I I think it might come down to some act by the president of the United States because the barriers are just so high that it might require that at the end of the day we've already had that that that's a problem see I've been part of these meetings so has George let me tell you a problem there has already been uh an opportunity to bypass all of these NDAs that that were you know signed and to come in and give full testimony some people did people that you people do not know about yet they did it to somebody that the Georgian I know was running that show we facilitated people going in to do that here's the problem a lot of people most people were too fucking terrified to go in there and break from the fold when they talk about in this movie the legacy program as a monolith and that there is actual danger to doing that a protected secrets that's not BS that is true so let's say we do get this executive order and I agree Ryan we should get that but then how do we motivate people who truly have been in these secret circles and have seen what has happened other people and how do we get them to come forward maybe they maybe they don't think the public should know how do we we have to force them my opinion was we have to force them somehow because just opening that door didn't work and you know what I'm talking about George when when people would when there was that opportunity and we helped with that so I know grush spilled everything he knows but you're saying that firsthand witnesses that like worked in the legacy program could do what grusted they had the legal uh room to do that without being prosecuted behind closed doors behind closed doors right yes okay there was absolute ability to know then it's just a then it's just a fear issue then then it's just a fear issue because if they have legal immunity then they then the only thing stopping them is they're worried about uh losing their jobs and their security clearances and and you know it consequences it's from come okay yes and the way you've raised this comes forward and says you know he does say something you know this is real and I am giving my blessing right now for the people who worked in this legged or work in this legacy program you can come forward we will support you we will protect you you can come forward and behind closed doors tell us what you know I don't know if that will change their mind um and I and I'm not going to ever blame somebody for not doing it because I'm not in their position where I'm getting death threats you know so besides that to get to that point we also need the media to ask the president about what David Grouchad repeatedly you know ask him hold him so you know hold him to and say we want an answer were you briefed about crash retrievals you know and in his last one of his last interviews last year was the unimpulsive he was asked and he said I think it was June of 2024 he said I have pilots coming to me and it's really impressive and there may be some stuff but me personally I'm not convinced was that after his briefing that he received I don't know you know I think I think he's just avoiding the issue because if he's been read into it he's just trying to pretend like he doesn't know as much as he knows uh and I'm I'm I'm baffled why you know Trump with his ego and the common sense of having an unparalleled legacy by being the first president to break this open what is what is stopping him from doing this he he'll talk about anything who say who do Instagram posts and go all over the planet anything but the absentee files well yeah what you're right about that's on how bad things get from the files if they come out with photos um that might be the day we are there invade Venezuela or we uh he has a news conference about you oppose I mean look he makes an announcement it then dominates the rest of his administration and he'll be asked more questions you can try to limit what you say or what how much you release but he'll be asked about it for the rest of his days I think he'd have to be in a in a corner to go ahead and do it and I think he has been briefed but his interest level is about that deep it's it's not about him and I wonder if he's been advised to not talk about it like have people been like constantly using all kinds of tradecraft persuasion on him to just get into his mind to be like nah you don't want to go there here's why xyz they have all these answers set up for him knowing his psychology like if they're doing that well okay people are malleable and that sucks but uh you know that's why I think someone like the secretary of state marty marco rubio maybe he needs to start saying you know publicly like why is the president not talking about this you know what I mean or or if he doesn't want to be that abrasive just say the american people have a right to know we should really break this open and then people will automatically start pressuring the president of the united states even he doesn't want to reference him specifically yeah okay three things real quick so there there is going to be pushback i am specifically aware of how there's going to be an official pushback to influence high level of government and even congress and it's terrifying and i'm gonna i'm gonna try to see how it if it does pan out that way or if there's going to be honesty you're right Joe we do need somebody to go at the white house press corps and specifically ask about the accusation the david grush made live on tv i could imagine a great fox news person doing that because it was on their network so i'm really hoping that's going to be done and then rubio about rubio right um can you imagine what that's like you know before he accepted that job for the nomination he had to disclose is he in any media that's going to be coming out he had to disclose i'm in a movie it's going to be coming out talking about us so can you imagine that conversation i don't think he'd ever say you know put try to put president trump in a corner on this but i do think he could be the greatest advocate that we have right now because i'll tell you this senator former senator rubio he knows he knows he was read in he is met with more people than most people in government at that level so he has an opportunity to talk with president trump about it privately and then i think if president trump is asked the right questions in a in a live meeting i think we could get a more interesting answer this time i hope and he's the national security advisor and and from what i've heard from you and george and other sources they they they are overseeing the legacy program uh because that way you know foie i can't penetrate anything that they're doing was that right am i getting that right not quite because if we are to um believe what Matthew brown said that he read the transcripts of one of these meetings with doctor capatric and with rubio the the quote was something like you mean they have been running this legacy UFO program be you know unaccounted for for all for 80 years so it depends like if that is a correct assessment that Matthew brown had of what he was exposed to then i would say no he has no oversight over this legacy was hid from him just like everybody else and they make a good point in the film of how these things are held and luel is on oh broke it down cia air force private defense if you really listen to that section of the film the way broke it down he exquisitely explained exactly how on the do e how that whole mechanism has worked to keep this the best held secret ever in american history dandy i you were trying to jump in there earlier did you have a suggestion on how to take advantage at this moment i i like the uh the jay stratton quote that i was talking about earlier and i think the legacy program probably does have to be outed um for us to really really progress i think that's the way forward of course there's uh other opinions on that the trump stuff is really interesting to me um even in the grush uh interview it kind of made trump look bad i mean grush was saying he was well versed on uh the issue and then they right before that they had the clip where he said he's not convinced and that it's just contradicting that so i think trump is almost in the same position as the government as a whole where people are gonna if he does mention something about it people are gonna say well why didn't she already say this you already had one term you've already made all these other comments so i think like george was saying he really is gonna have to be super motivated in some other way um in order to kind of throw himself under the bus like that and i and we must forget that grush in that interview he said that um the admonished the trump administration were talking about the issue behind the scenes so what did he mean by that is he it's like he's suggesting that they are planning something uh dan ferrer has said the same thing uh so if that's true then maybe maybe trump is the trump administration is planning something do you guys know anything about that yeah i mean it's seeded information like we're all hoping that's the case there you know there there are discussions look you can just look at what happened who was that guy that was on the show that just kind of bragged about getting the text from grush in the green room and he's part of the um what the fern i think right right and it was really kind of cool he was talking about how um you know within that uh administration how there's you know he thinks maybe trump could be the president to come forward and do this well i think he's pretty close with everybody in that administration so i i think it's interesting that he was even echoing that but but to to be really clear um i think this is what we're aiming for and also we don't know how deeply president trump was briefed on this issue to say he was briefed is one thing but how deeply wouldn't it be great if he got the itch wait a second he watches the movie and he's like you mean there's this whole thing going on and i haven't been fully brief yeah i can imagine him wanting to get fully brief i can tell you that after the election but before the uh he was sworn in put trump was sworn in there were people big named business people who were helping trump the administration fill slots and jobs they reached out i talked to him a couple of times and they were hinting that there was going to be a push to get trump to take that step in his first year and that there was a lot of support among his close advisors to do that they were looking for names of people who might help them make the case uh so there were a lot of people who's who don't have trump's ear who wanted to make that move before he was even sworn in and um i haven't heard from any of them since so i don't know could you imagine him laying up at the podium he goes later gentlemen i want to i'm going to tell you about this book it's called skin walkers of the Pentagon uh axle rod is actually jace crack and looking up wonderful story little scary um ron becker had an orb go through his arm not a good story check out this book i think the sales would go through the rope George i'd be for that i'd be for that yeah there's also the factor of him just being so controversial in the um environment that we all live in now with conspiracies and distrust of the government um distrust of the presidents uh if he says something like that i i am starting to wonder will did even do the trick and cause you know quote unquote disclosure like we would want they'd have to have something along with that um proof or something i think but him just saying it would be amazing progress a great i just don't know if it's going to convince as many people yeah over 10 years ago tom do long was writing somebody brought it off as a negative he was so long was writing with a desda saying a big problem with the young kids today the youth is they're so cynical and it's still a problem it's not just young people like you said they're not whether or not they like trump or not they're not going to believe them but again like you said if they present evidence that's you know i may get us to where we need to be uh with that gentleman in the parting thoughts anything else you want to say about the movie about grosh about the moment about uh what you hope to see in the future ryan uh i just want to bring up i don't know if you guys any of you have an opinion on this but one of the most fascinating parts of the film was where dr. davis was talking about a crash in russia i think in 1989 uh a tiktak he's he described it as twice the size of what commander david framer encountered in 2004 with the uh USS nimitz yofo event series they got four bodies recovered and there was an energy weapon inside energy directed weapon inside and i just i'd like to say that how they came up with uh if russia is behind hivanna syndrome is that was that their basis for coming up with that weapon um i don't know what year it was 80s and the 80s he said but remember germany talked about a certain scientist who was and you never mentioned who it was who was briefed on a foreign program and then later on eric and his soul interview basically said i was able to see some of the russian i don't know if he said crash retrieval but he mentioned one of their pro sorry i he meant he mentioned one of their programs and he he had access i is that what he was looking at what was it something related to that that tiktak you know i don't know all i know is ryan got it right eric said in official capacity that in 1989 there was a crash in russia of something double the size about of the tiktak you you f o and that it was a tiktak shape and that there were four exactly his words humanoid aliens and that they did in the reverse engineering process uh you know find a very advanced directed energy weapon so that's what eric davis said a guy who admittedly was in multiple programs within s if you go through the transcripts and look at what he said in the film uap programs so i would say doctor davis is worth listening to i feel like what else do you want to hear he just straight told you that and um that tracks with everything george and i know over the years right george yeah and i'd say that there were attempts by the russians if i'm thinking at this crash it was Kazakhstan and there are attempts by the russians to exploit that that weapon and it was a disaster for them it was a disaster but um can you elaborate george i think some of these details are verifiable uh anyway ryan was that your last comment on the movie you want to move on yeah that was my that was my last comment and uh yep all right Danny i think uh i'm just happy that it came out you know um the three i at this story has been so sensational um and it seems like it's been the biggest uh story of the year unfortunately at least the most uh UFO civilians um have spoken to me about it and asked me about that um and meanwhile we've had a hearing with a guy named george featured on it that was amazing and now we've had this uh movie so i'd like to see the movie and the hearing um kind of overtake uh the three i at the story which is a little bit sillier even maybe it's true i don't know but um it just seems a little bit sensational or silly so i'd like this energy that there is right now um it's it's getting released towards the end of the year and i hate to say it you know we had the end of the year uh near times um article so it's just the same season it's just giving me kind of memories now i don't think it's as big as that story obviously but it just it it's making things a little bit more fun now again and um i'm really thankful of that and hopefully uh you know all these other documentaries and movies we've always talked about they're they're great to bring to the public and this one is really great as well it's um it may be one of the best if not the best long forum um so it's a good thing to good thing to show to politicians um a lot of them have tweeted that they're watching it and promoted it online which is really interesting so it's just it's great movement and i'm happy to uh be excited about something yeah it's it's not as big as the New York Times 2017 article but it could be it could definitely turn into that and more um one thing Eric Davis wanted to bring up said uh he would spill his guts basically if the president waived his NBA's that was a big deal probably it would only be behind the scenes with congress and then one more part about the movie which i've talked to you guys about jay stratten towards the end goes i was really enjoying the movie and then jay stratten said and i'm going to quote him specifically he said the people behind the legacy program truly believe that the secret is so intense that they can't share it with the american people and then jay goes there may be aspects of this that are so intense they can't share it i i would say they won't share it um he goes however i think the basic fact that we are not alone in the universe we can share that with the american people we can handle it at this point hopefully one day the american people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all i was so upset when i saw that i'm like no no no no if it's not about propulsion if it's not about sources of methods if it's about intent and what they've been doing do not support that being kept secret no that that needs to be shared now not 20 years from now so love the movie people should see it but that really bothered me i don't know if you guys agree but i think that's what he was meaning joe because i'm hearing you say it now and i agree with you but just like we have a nuclear program and and cleaning nuclear energy that power but we don't give everybody the codes to nuclear bomb i think that's what jay was saying in his defense is that we can handle the core of everything we're just not going to give like nuclear codes to the technology yeah of course but i don't think that's what he was talking about i think he's talking about some of the scarier aspects of this okay i mean skin walkers at the Pentagon tell some of it i don't know what else there is more to it but even let's just say that happens and the basics just come out you're gonna get people who gonna want to say really you lie to us about this and then they they're gonna come and find out more and then they get a learn on their own so it would still be a great thing and then that pressure from people saying what else aren't you telling us that will happen so it's a positive it's just that when i first saw it really bothered me but you know yeah no more bullshit we want transparency and we got a fight for we got to get it in the news we have to call congress people to do whatever we got to do to make sure this story is it drop the momentum keeps going and the current administration makes at damn disclosure that's what we want right okay we have a fire best and uh hopefully this time we get the media waking up and asking the questions of our politicians and getting this more in the media and the media falls up and it continues and like you said something doesn't knock it off the map some major event this needs to be going this should become the biggest story in the history of our planet and the media eventually hopefully we'll cover it you know every day 24-7 because it deserves that coverage Ryan are we ready for the truth bro oh absolutely transparency i mean uh if if the phenomenon is already here then tell me what's what what really changes by learning the details it's already here nothing really changes it's not gonna change the equation because it's already here so if you learn that it's here even if you didn't know it was here it's still here so for me just tell the American people tell the world a large and that's that's the trajectory we should go in i'm not so sure that uh the world can handle um that if the president comes out and says hey you could be abducted and there's nothing you can do to stop it but i don't think it's their job to uh hinder that from us so whatever reality as we deserve to know the truth but i do think that there will be a lot of uh scared people i encourage uh people to watch it i encourage uh ufo people to share it with non-ufo people so that they can you know learn how deep the subject goes how real it is those the the packaging of those 34 national security folks and and people in the know into this film is is excellent and i hope it moves the needle we've been down uh we've made progress before and somehow it always gets stopped i'd like to believe that the public can handle the truth but since we don't actually know what the ultimate truth is i can't say to defend it definitively whether we could or not and there's some pretty scary scenarios that would be can mess people up uh depending on what the ultimate truth is assuming there's anybody who really knows it but i hope it it moves the needle and progress continues and i really do encourage people to check out this film germy yeah man i'm just glad that it exists and i really want to support it i think it's a huge endeavor heavy lift to create a good film to get all those people together and i think um it's so good that it exists and i just hope people um you know pay attention because it's a stepping stone if we can all come to some basic consensus reality that there is that there there is robby williams says something's up he said that to me at the ranch George and it's like if we can just all come to that point where we're like okay now what and that's what i hope you know this movie and by the way the second boblazar movies are the second sorry a new documentary on boblazar will be coming out soon and i am eager to see it i haven't seen any of it either it'll be neat to see um how how this whole concept moves forward if we don't drop the ball over the next you know six twelve months you