EP: 387 UFO Crash Retrievals and Dark Matter with Dr. Matthew Szydagis

I want to find out then and help that person and get the evidence. Is it physical? Can I collect physical evidence? If it's spiritual, to me it's very simple. Does it go away in the name of Jesus? Yes, no. Yes? Okay, it's probably demonic. No? Okay, then let's gather physical evidence. Could these be flesh and blood, beings, but aliens, not humans, like us? I wanna get to the truth because I believe, like you guys do, there is a truth out there. A truth with a capital T, not just moral truth, as we talked in Christianity, there's a scientific truth that can't contradict each other. There is a truth out there. I wanna know the truth. If someone's telling you a story and it really happened, they're not mentally ill, they're not making it up, let's listen to them, but not just listen. I wanna also help, let's take it to the next level and figure out what is afflicting them? What type of thing is it? And do we address it with the tools of physical science? And Ryan and Father Martin's always talking about this? Or do we address it with a different set of tools because it's something spiritual? The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. Enjoy the journey. The Smithsonian, and if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm gonna assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it busts the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to Blurry Creatures. I'm excited for this episode today because we talk about all the supernatural implications of UFO, UAPs. Is it a physical phenomena? Is it a demonic phenomena? Is it a physical manifestation? Do these things crash? We've had some big names on the show and the debate rages on. But we have today Dr. Matthew Shadogus, an experimental physicist pushing the boundaries of what we know about the unseen world. We talked about this a lot on our show. Welcome to the podcast. We're excited to get into this. You have pieces of wreckage and you are studying them and you're trying to maybe push some different theories into the Christian space about what these things are. And it's kind of the evidence that we've collected on our show. See, there's more going on. It's a more complicated answer than Christians probably want to admit or even look at the data. So welcome to the podcast. Welcome to Blurry Creatures. Excited to get into this one. We talked about dark matter and all the things, UFO. But first, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Well, it does bug me that with all the plethora, people get really mad when I say this, but with the plethora of smartphones, I mean, where is the like video of Bigfoot up close? I mean, so in my opinion, I think if Bigfoot exists and is real, it's a very, very small population and a very small number of individuals because how could he stay hidden for so long? I mean, does Bigfoot have ships, like UFOs, like aliens? Like how does he stay hidden for that long? So I do annoy a lot of my friends who are like, look, there's footprints and this and that. But yeah, I've got a tough time with that one. I love it. Yes. You might have a ship. There are a lot of stories about UFOs and orbs, especially, which we just did in a really interesting interview about orbs and X-point portal stuff, which isn't a whole another thing, but Matthew, so great to have you on. For some backstory here, we connected with you via our mutual friend and Ryan Bethea, who's X-Rusas Files, of course, the doctor with Father Carlos Martins, who's been on the show. Yeah, you wanted to come on and give the alternate opinion. Well, what I love about our communicator, so I can kind of share this with our listeners, is that you are a bit of a unicorn yourself. Matthew, because you are a physical physicist, as you talk about. Your day job is you work on dark matter, and we are going to talk about that in the after show. So stay tuned for the after show with us, where we kind of break down what is dark matter and what is a day job working on dark matter? What does that mean? And how does that fit into our worldview? That's going to be all very fascinating at the end of the show here, but you're a Christian physicist, which is like 0.1%. So you are a believer who works in the realm of physics. We've had a few on the show now. But you're also in the ET space, right? You've been on History Channel. The proof was out there. You've been on a documentary called A Tear in the Sky. You spend time working on it with Nimitz witness Gary Voris, and you work on physical evidence from UAPs or UFOs. So where do you want to start with us on this? Because I love this, as Nate said. Our show is about providing better answers, right? And more context. And as Nate said, a lot of Christians want to put this in a very black and white easy, answerable thing. It's just demons. This is the preferred path for a lot of folks in the church. But you're a scientist, you're a professor of physics, you're a researcher, and you're working on better answers for the UAP phenomenon. What do you want to start with us? Where do we go first? Well, I feel like Godcraw has created a universe much more complex and richer than we might have thought of, that it's actually not very simple and is very complicated, and that includes a very rich physical realm. So we, on Earth, and our solar system is so tiny that it's hard, it's impossible to wrap our minds around it to express. I could give numbers, I could do math and use analogies, but they really fall short of how small we are compared to this vast universe. And what would be the purpose of creating such a vast physical universe if it's populated only by physical creatures on only one very tiny body compared to the great space? So I think as one of the characters, I think in the movie Contact with Jodi Foster says, I don't remember if it was her character, another character says to her, I think, it's just a great waste of space. There's always been discussions, of course, going back in church history with philosophers, theologians talking about, and it's also, the Psalms speak of the glory of God and the stars and the heavens. But what is the purpose of all that, that is such a vast space? Is it just for really human enjoyment from Earth, and we can't get there when it's such a vast space? What is the vast space of interstellar, intergalactic space for then if it's completely empty and devoid of life, of physical life forms with the exception of Earth? That just seems very strange to me. What a huge waste of space. Yeah, we've talked to one of our repeat guests on our show, Nate Timothy Alborino. He has a similar thought process logic that perhaps some of these places that we talk about, like our actual locales within the known universe, if we had technology or the ability to travel, we could go to some of these places. Yeah. The idea of angels being physical is also, we talk about the show a lot, Matthew, is like the biblical accounts of angels include a lot of physicality, walking, eating, doing a lot of things that would be of physical nature. People say it's also more of a gnostic idea to attribute them to be more spiritual or whatever spirit beings as opposed to more of the biblical ideas that they're physical beings as well. And I think a lot of people put limitations on what they think exists, and then they work backwards instead of saying, let's just look at the evidence and then move forward. Like what's possible? And I don't know why Christians particularly do this a lot. I don't think this exists. So I'm gonna explain it all away and just use these big words to kind of say, it's just interdimensional, it's just spiritual. It's like, what does that even mean anymore? I mean, those words get more confusing as the show goes on. So you tell us kind of maybe where the data has led you and kind of how you're rewriting sort of what you think, how the rules play out. What's it, how does it exist? I think a lot of what you just spoke to is relatively new. So if you read some of the works by the earliest church fathers, so like third century, fourth century, fifth century, I know you've had, I think Diana Posilka on the show and she steeped into this in her work. There's also, so there's Dr. Posilka, there's Dr. Paul Figpen who recently wrote a book about extraterrestrials and the church and church thinking is it used to be the case, this is millennia ago, not just centuries ago, that it was considered the default. Of course, physical aliens exist. Like why not? And that's completely changed now, like you said. So it used to be thought like, yes, there's angels and demons, plus there's things like, not big foot, but satyrs and things like that. But also there's like beings on other planets. And that was like considered, oh yeah, of course there are. It wasn't even controversial for a few centuries. And it's remarkable that we went backwards from that thinking over slowly over the centuries. But for a while it was considered the default. That who are we to put limits on God's creativity? Yeah, he'd probably create other worlds. And there may be some, and this is in Thigpen's book, there may be some, and C.S. Lewis and G.K. Chesterton, I think I've written on this, is like there may be races that are unfallen. And what does that look like? Or that are fallen. And then there are some who have went so far to say that you know what, maybe there are multiple sentient or species and only humans have fallen. And we are special, yes, but not special in the way we like to think. It's like, oh, we're special. We're the pinnacle of God's creation. Maybe we are actually the only ones who needed saving because we're so bad. Sometimes in life you're just out of time, you know? And you don't have a UFO that pulls up next to you and gives you a flask capacitor. And so you're tired, you're hungry. And the fridge is just starting to talk to you. What do you do? Well, maybe it's time this year to make a change. That's right. 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But what I've looked at in terms of as a physical scientist is when you look at the sort of not just years or decades, but like going back centuries of evidence of like weird things in the sky, you can't chalk it all up to spiritual, especially with modern technology where we have radar and things like that. And Father Martins would just say, oh, you know, all right, I would say, oh, you know, demons can just make up fake signals in the radar. And I'm like, really? And God would permit that. And so then allow like scientists to chase up fake leads. That's a huge stretch for me. And really point towards things where we have radar evidence and potential physical evidence of things that can do like Mach 60 in the atmosphere without a sonic boom. And it's like, okay, so those are just spiritual entities messing with us as opposed to just, and just happen to be providing evidence of exactly what we'd expect from interstellar probes, really? To then what like fool everybody into like thinking it could be physical aliens. And just as like a gotcha moment like down the line, like it just seems a huge stretch to me to think that. And when did you start to like kind of discover this and kind of shift maybe you're thinking, make your ideas get bigger. You're, you have to make room for these ideas. Well, actually it started from a young age for me cause I actually, I watched Star Trek Next Generation and watch Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack. And there'd be, you know, you have the UFO episodes and things like that, but it really didn't crystallize for me until the 2017 New York Times article that said, by the way, you know, this best secret Pentagon program, you know, Lua Alzando came out Chris Mellon and all these guys who are like, there was this, like the Pentagon was actually still treating this seriously, despite publicly laughing about it. And to me, just like for many of my colleagues, it was sort of a watershed moment for like, okay, so I guess it's safe as a scientist to start thinking about UFOs and considering what kind of evidence we have uncollected over the years already. But then you get into actually the physical data of this phenomenon as well. And then you have to kind of, and we say this all the time, they crash, you know, like there's some sort of assembly line somewhere making this stuff and it lingers in our world, you know? And so what do you do with that? And so people are like, they don't want to look at that data. They want to explain it away. No, but I think you made an interesting point, Matthew, and I wanted to just kind of capitalize on that, is that I think in the conspiracy realm, right? There's this, there is this movement that all of these things that we can't never explain are just gotchas, right? Like that there's this vast conspiracy. And all it is is to be a, quote, deception. Yeah. And I think that's really hard to justify with any real hard data. And I think that's the problem, right? And I think this is where a lot of thinking goes because it's an easy explanation. It was just a demonic deception. So that it leads people away from the Bible. And that to me is like, I don't know how those two things like fit. Like, you know, But this makes no sense to me. I'm glad you brought that up because I have personally known several people and this is a huge mystery to me. And again, you know, you probably know, I was like talking to Ryan Bethea. I really would love to be on the Exodus files. I was like begging him to be on his show, which then introduced me to you. And I was like, look, I need to talk to you and Father Martin's about this. We've got to talk about this hash this out because I'd like them to explain something for me. Why is it that multiple people, not one, not two, but more than three people I would say who I know work in the UAP space decided to convert to Christianity, not because they thought UFOs were demonic, but because they thought, Oh, God created more physical alien races. So if it's all a demonic discussion, that's a massive backfire. That makes no sense. Why would the devil want more people drawn to the kingdom? Like this is not one off. I know several people like, you know, I used to be an atheist, but now they're Christian after studying UFOs. But again, not from the perspective they think UFOs are demonic, but rather than their physical entities, like real physical aliens that like God created on some other world, that seems to be a massive backfire if it's a huge deception. That makes no sense to me. You know, what happened to the whole, you know, you shall know them by their fruits. And the fruits that I've seen a lot of people working on this have actually decided into great stigma made fun of by their colleagues, you know, who are atheists and agnostic. Like that makes no sense to me. How can you explain that? Well, it's like, it's Hugh Ross. We had Hugh Ross on the show and Hugh famously, he found his faith, but he's an astrophysicist because he looked at essentially the vastness of the universe. And his only conclusion was, is that there was a creator and that creator story, the story of creation and the way that works lines up only with the biblical narrative. And you go, that's really, that in the same ways you're talking about is really puts a monkey wrench, it throws a wrench into this idea that this is all a big deception, right? That people that dig into the science and as it further get into it, the more they say, this actually makes me believe that there is an intelligent design and a creator behind all of this, otherwise I can't make any of this stuff work in my head, right? And I love that. I think that's an important thing. Wherever you land on the UFO phenomena, if it's causing people who are studying this to come to Christ and there's something that would be right to be. Yeah, that's weird, right? It's weird. It's a weird thing. And I think we've debated this a lot on our show. I think it'd be great to get into more of the data that kind of proves these points. I'd love to get into that, like what physically you have. How did you get Roswell craft? How does that happen? How do you get actual pieces? And what are you doing with that? Yeah, so again, it's all, we can't prove it. It hasn't been like carbon data to 1947, but yeah, and I don't wanna talk about it too much before I give talk specifically about that and publish a paper. But I've got a fragment that's alleged to be from some kind of UAP crash. That doesn't mean it's not prosaic or human. Testing has to move forward. There are mundane and prosaic hypotheses. But I love the fact that there might be out there, physical evidence that I can touch like potential wreckage. Cause that to me is better than a blurry photo or video. And I point this out to Ryan. He's like, oh, well demons can make ash and this or whatever. I'm like really made with the same elements on the periodic table. I'm like, that's a pretty huge deception. So then God would allow like good hearted scientists to be led astray by physical evidence that demons just made up that are made of like the same chemical elements that are found on earth. I'm like, really? Like that, no, that is too much of a stretch for me. And you mentioned actually the vastness, the space and one thing I wanted to point out has been a huge misconception on yes, that huge space is vast as I said myself, but then people use that to conclude that even if aliens exist, they could never get here. And this is extremely false. And Father Martin's actually said this on the UFO episode of the exercises files. And I wanted to reach through my phone and be like, no, like grab a hold of Father Martin and be like, no, you are extremely wrong because what everybody forgets is relativistic effects. So actually length contracts and time dilates, which means that these vast distances are actually not that vast. So for example, you asked about, so what are some of the evidence I've looked at? So, and one of my colleagues, Professor Kevin Pinooth published a paper with some of the members of the scientific coalition for UAP studies, published a scientific paper in a peer review journal where he showed that some famous encounters like the Nimitz encounter, like my good friend, also a Christian Navy veteran, Gary Verheese, an outstanding guy that you guys should get on a future episode actually to talk about the Nimitz encounter. Is he wrote, my friend Kevin wrote a paper about the Nimitz encounter. And in it, he shows that not only are the speeds and accelerations from some of these encounters, not only are they consistent with what we'd expect from a spacecraft, they're consistent with what we'd expect from a good spacecraft. And the common misconception and Father Martin's very sadly, it broke my heart because he's a great guy and extremely smart. But he repeated this common misconception that for example, it takes 150,000 years to cross the galaxy, even if you could go the speed of light and you can't go faster than light, false, false, false, false, false. And the reason is because time warps. And this is not a theory, this is not a hypothesis, we use this every day. Like GPS wouldn't work with Einstein's fear of relativity. So we know it's an absolute established scientific fact for over a hundred years. So we know that time slows down as you approach a speed of light, which means that if you have the technology to cross these vast distances, so in the paper, my friend Kevin wrote, he points out, it would only take six months to cross the entire Milky Way, not 150,000 years. The most remarkable thing about this is that everything I'm telling you is not new. We just don't teach students this. We like until college or graduate school level, but this is not new. We've all known this since 1905. So this is not some new revelation or new scientific understanding. It's an extremely old and well-established one. And yet you'll hear even scientists, like Neil deGrasse Tyson will go on YouTube and say, oh, vast distances and times. And sometimes I wonder, did Neil deGrasse Tyson get hit in the head and forget basic physics that he supposedly should know he has a PhD in physics. And so these vast distances are not so vast if you have an advanced technology. I think every year, Nate, we all kind of make resolutions, right? I don't personally. I like to make a list of goals because resolutions I end up failing. But January is the time when people recommit to habits for their health, for their mental well-being, maybe to read the Bible more, which a lot of things we can do in our health space would be to take the right supplements. And with so many options in this lightly regulated category where labels don't always tell the whole story, it's hard to know who to trust. 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Like the Nimitz craft, like these things that are doing things that for us, we watch the video, we don't have any technology that can do that. And if there is an occupant driving that, the Mach speeds it's pulling would turn you into applesauce or whatever, your body couldn't hold up. So how does that, briefly for us non-physicists, how does that work? We don't know. And so if I can speculate, but everything I could tell you is probably wrong. But, and so then, so then actually Ryan came back to me and goes, aha, so it's technologically impossible. And so I fired back with, okay, in two, I think it was two weeks before Wilbur and Orville Wright had their famous successful flight. The New York Times literally wrote, you can look this up, the New York Times, you know, beacon of truth. I'm saying this sarcastically, of course. The New York Times said, air travel will never happen. It's scientifically impossible, maybe in a few million years. Two weeks later, two weeks later, Wilbur and Orville Wright, okay, two weeks, it gets worse. The New York Times also once had an editorial that said rockets and space travel are impossible. And then guess what happens, Sputnik? And then we land down on the moon. And actually the New York Times did not issue a retraction until 1969. They literally wrote, oh, we once had this editorial in the 1920 that said it's impossible to reach the moon without dying. And you would never, if you could do it, you would never come back. Yeah, we regret the error. And I could go on and on, germs, atomic bomb. There was some general or colonel who was also a chemist who said we are wasting so much time building an atomic bomb. And he said, look, I speak as an expert in explosives. And it's like sentences like that that make you want to wonder, it's like, really? Are we still gonna make the same mistake again? And say just because I can't tell you right now in this podcast, oh, it requires this technology and this amount of energy, I don't know. That doesn't mean we're not gonna figure it out eventually. And that doesn't mean someone else who's possibly been around for, there could be a civilization out there that's so many years older than ours, they've gotta figure it out already. Not through trial and error, but just because they've been around longer. So their technology has developed longer. Yeah, and we're not even accounting like wormholes and portals and all the other things that we hear. I'm not counting those things, I am not. I'm just saying, well, to Vistick travel, just having some kind of fuel that we don't know yet. Yeah, you're talking about the UAP Mayflower. Just takes six months to get across the galaxy. And back in the day, it took us three months to get across one ocean. And so, I mean, their technology has limits too. It's just way farther advanced than ours. And I think that's just hard for a lot of people to conceptualize, but what I would say though, that we've discovered on our show, basic, if you get into the UAP phenomenon, you realize there's time issues with all of the encounters. And even Bob Lazar says, the anti-gravitational technology is how it works. And it's affecting time. It almost sounds like UAPs in my opinion are little mini time machines. And they're not actually moving the way that we understand everything to move. It's like, when are they? Not where are they? Well, it's possible, but you don't even need any advanced space-time warping. You don't even need to go there. You don't need to go to faster than light. Like I said, common misconception. You can by traveling slower than the speed of light, you can cross the entire galaxy a few months. Because not because of space-time warping, which is another possibility. I'm talking about a more fundamental warping. So we can divide it into two categories. There's, we could call one category, Einstein 1905, that's special relativity, and Einstein 1916, which is general relativity. And what's remarkable is you don't even need the more advanced things. So you asked me, so how can you go through Mach 60, allasonic boom? You don't even need to talk about space-time warping. You could be ionizing the air, you could be using plasma. There are more mundane explanations than, oh, it's something millions of years ahead of our current technology. It might only be something thousands or hundreds of years ahead of our current technology. You might not need any new laws of physics, quote unquote, but just clever engineering. So like in my example of airplanes, you guys know, we knew the fundamental principles of how to build an airplane back to the 1600s, okay? Further back, if we count DaVinci, you know, I'm counting Newton. So what took us so long? Why did it take us until the 1900s? And the reason is, is because engineering is hard. So even if you know how to do something, that doesn't mean you know how to transfer it from a piece of paper with math equations to reality. It took us several centuries, for centuries, we knew how to build airplanes, but it took us centuries to get there because even though we understood the physics, we did not understand the engineering. Yeah, and we talk a lot about how the ancients, you know, obviously we're Christians, so we filter things through the biblical text and the things that we were taught by fallen angelic beings, whatever that means, wherever they came from, were all physical things, like how to do this, how to do that, how to build this, how to, how to defile yourself, how to mine metals and do all these other things that are physical. So it's like, it just seems like there's another civilization somewhere else that they're bringing ideas and thoughts and blueprints from somewhere else to here, but it's not here. And then you have Christians who just wanna say, nothing exists beyond Earth, it's all a mirage, it's all a fantasy. And I don't understand how we get there particularly, but it seems like the better answer is that there's actual physicality to all of this. There are spirits. And I guess that the debate between you and the exorcists is like, they're kind of in the spirit realm, like something that lost its body, doesn't have a body anymore, doesn't isn't physical anymore, but still is here. So what's the difference between a spirit being and maybe something piloting a UFO? And so you're trying to debate, but you're talking about two different things. Does that make sense? Like I'm... Yeah, I think we're conflating a lot of different things. And so I think that like, for example, UFOs, UAP, call them what you will, I don't think they're one thing. There's plenty of misidentifications, there's plenty of hoaxes. There's atmospheric phenomena. There's sprites, there's red lightning, there's ball lightning. There are so many misidentifications, but as a result, people tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater, because even if 99% of it is not real, now the thing about there's nothing beyond it, there's plenty. We have found so many, we have sent probes to distant planets. Like why would the universe would be created as a fantasy and mirage? That makes no sense, because God created the universe and Psalm 92.15 says, the Lord is upright, he is my rock, and there is no wickedness in him. Why would God create fake things just to fake out scientists and have them waste their time studying? That makes no logical sense at all. When again, you consider Psalm 92.15, there is no wickedness in him. So God's not evil by definition of who he is. So why is he gonna create a whole bunch of fake planets and stars just to what? Like that makes no law, that's just unethical, immoral, and God is not capable of being immoral. He's infinitely good. That makes no sense. You know, we had Diana Posolka sitting here with us and you brought her up earlier, and she said she was taken to a crash site and held what she called frog skin, like a piece of something that didn't look like anything she'd ever seen before, and was purported to be a crash site for a UFO. So how do you come about that? And then what is, without results, Tim tells results of, but how do you begin to analyze that? How do you end up, Matthew, Shaddag has ended up being the guy that is looking at at least what's believed to be a piece of something from a UFO? Well, because it's all accident and effort. Actually, I don't think it's entirely accident, but I think that God guides our lives into certain directions. But it just took years of making connections and knowing the right people. So I just met, like I said, I don't want to reveal any names until after I publish everything and spoken with them first about findings. But I just, after working in the UFO space for year after year after year, just make connections with the right people, frankly. And one of them was, you know, as a CEO of an aerospace company, who also knew somebody, who knew somebody. So again, we have to be very cautious. As I said earlier, it's very hard to conclusively prove something is anomalous or strange. How do I go about that though? It is the second half of your question, right? How do I go about testing? Well, this is where I apply the tools I know, where for example, I'll give you one way where we can determine whether something is extra terrestrial or terrestrial origin. We can look at what's called the isotopic ratios because that's sort of like a chemical fingerprint that tells us whether something's from Earth, Moon, Mars or more distant and some distant part of the galaxy where the ratios of different isotopes within elements are different. It's not inclusive because we today have the technology to do isotopic enrichment from at least the 1940s. However, if you can simultaneously, you know, for date or like carbon date something to like before humans have the technology to isotopically enrich things and the isotopic ratios are wrong, then it's like, hmm, either it's alien or it's the most expensive hoax. You know, and those are the possibilities you're left with. And that's why I love, I count myself extremely lucky to be able to look at what's potentially physical evidence. Now I have to be clear, I've done this before and it's happened before. I'm like, hey, it's a UFO crash park and I got so excited. I was told, oh, it's from the same site that Diana Pusilko said like, oh my God, that's awesome. Tested it and it was very obviously like, I mean, a top secret US airplane from that era. It's so cool, it was a class of our US airplane, but I'm like, yeah, these are the elements that are consistent with what we were using for top secret US airplanes at the time. And so that was cool and that was able to determine that. But it's just like, you know, the people who work on Trout of Turin, you know, there was an episode about that in the Extras Falls. It's like, I'm using the same similar types of tools as they did. You know, it's ancient times and you're looking good. Maybe you have a coat of many colors back in the Bible times. Where would you get one today, Luke? Well, unless you're bigfoot and you grow your own cashmere sweater, Quinn's is the place that got everyday essentials that we love with quality. The last I'm actually wearing a Quinn shirt right now. Let's look at these things. I've survived a number of washes. They don't shrink. It's premium, premium material. 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Go to quints.com slash bluery, Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash bluery for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quints.com slash bluery. So it's the same kind of tools we use to like, that Father Martin's loves relics. And it's like, yeah, this is why I want to talk to him so badly. I'm like, the same kinds of tools used to validate relics are similar to like the tools I would use to be like, is this earthly? Or is this extraterrestrial in origin? What do you think is? There are a lot of kinds of tools. What do you think is going on in their heart and mind to not accept the scientific data? Well, who they, they in general? Just like, more of the, you know, Father Martin's view. Like, you know what I'm saying? More of the like, because this is what gets- Yeah, that camp of thinking. Or of people. Yeah, this is what gets emailed to us all the time. And so- Yeah. Number one is the misconception about the vast distances and the times you take to cross them. It's the misunderstanding that, it's the following misunderstanding. You need to go faster than light to reach distant places and you can't go faster than light, therefore it's impossible. The entire premise is wrong, like I said, because of time dilation, where as you travel faster and faster, time slows down. And so if you had a craft that could go not faster than speed of light, but slower, but very close to it. So I'll give you an example. Is that this example I give is like, this is like two steps, very easy homework problem for like freshman sophomores in one of my classes, like basic relativity. So I asked the question, I asked my students the question, like how long does it take to get to the Andromeda galaxy, which is two million light years away? If you traveled 0.06 meters per second slower, so very slightly slower than speed of light, you do that in 50 years. Now, two million years we'll have a laugh on Earth, but 50 years for you. And so I think that's misconception number one is this whole thing about not understanding physics that isn't even new, it's very, very old. Like I said, it goes back to 1905. We already know about this for over a century. So it's not a new understanding. So that's number one. And number two is I think then, why wasn't anything ever stated? For example, there's nothing in the Bible about this, but I think either Ryan or Carlos, Father Martin says this on the podcast themselves. Yeah, but there's no mention of molecules or the planet Mars and they exist too. You know what I mean? Like it's not, the Bible's not meant to be a scientific document, but an ethical and religious one. It doesn't have an exhaustive list of everything that exists in nature, in the universe, because it's kind of like, think of it as like, and this goes back to like Old Testament versus New is we're like children and God's not just gonna dump information on everything us all at once, because we're not ready to know everything all at once. So demanding that we are told about everything that exists is the equivalent of a small child demanding of their parent to learn everything there is to know about, you know, being an adult at like age five, that just not, it's just not realistic. Yeah, and I think obviously we're not scientists and we're not smart enough to have these conversations. We just ask pretty generic questions, but we're sort of a conduit between, you know, the message bringers and the audience. And if you get into space, you know, there's time issues related with UAPs, UFOs, and sort of a nuclear interest. And there's people who report fields not growing, personal injuries, they had almost as if they were exposed to something and they weren't wearing the lead jacket, you know, at the dentist's office, something happened to them, some physical damage because of this. There's many stories in that space. So the idea that you're trying to prove that, you know, this would be a very expensive hoax to pull off is interesting, but it's in line with all the other stories we hear. There's some nuclear part of this. Well, I think you guys had Salas on your show, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, look, I have a hypothesis on that. And I have a very dark one though, which is my crazy idea is that this attraction of UAP, this alleged attraction of UAP and like nuclear missile silos and sites, this could be like a xenoanthropology class where it's like there's some race that's like, look, check out the humans and look how they're, you know, working so hard towards killing themselves. It's like a class. It's like some kind of galactic class. Or it's like, here's an example of what you should not do. You know, don't blow yourselves up. And so I think, again, this is very, that's my just very speculative crazy idea is that we're looking at some sort of like, xenoanthropology or exoanthropology. You know, one word we would use. It's like a class for like, you know, young aliens or the VT. So I look like, don't do this. You know, like this, they're, they don't like build weapons of mass destruction to kill yourselves with. And there are also stories that again, they're just stories. So it's so hard to confirm these without physical evidence. But my colleague Kevin and others, I've heard, I've collected these stories. I'm sir Robert Salis has as well of like, silos being turned on and off, including on, not just off, but also on where it's like, in 10 seconds, World War three starts. And then right before it's like, it shuts itself back off again. And I told my wife about this. Actually, she came up with this idea, I think not me. That like, it's kind of like, to me, that's like playing with the claws of a kitten to show them who's boss, you know what I mean? Turn them on and off. It's like somebody messing with us saying, like we can turn your most powerful weapons on and off and you can't do anything. Yeah. It's like a bunch of teenagers, teenager aliens doing brodies on the neighbor's front lawn, you know, just like, that could be right though. It could actually be legitimately correct. I think, I think what you're talking about though, is very hard for Christians because you take the control of the narrative out of their hands and say, other things can exist. And that's very, it sets off an alert in some, in people and they're very afraid of considering a class, other species from somewhere else are here to have a class. What does that even mean for my faith? What does that mean for the gospel? What does that mean for Jesus? And they, they, they short fuse, they freak out and they say, it's all demonic. It's all demonic deception. Nothing to see here. And that's, it creates that fear in them. That's what I think happens. But if you read Paul Thigpen's book that I mentioned earlier, he's a friend of Diana's as well. He's written all about this, that this wasn't a problem hundreds of years ago. This is a new problem. Where hundreds of years ago, it was like, sure, yeah, whatever, like St. Augustine wrote about this and lots of early church fathers and thinkers like, very few people used to have a problem with that. And I actually think there is one thing that everyone is missing. I think a lot of people have, who have that reaction, I'm gonna anger a lot of people by saying this, but a lot of people who have that reaction are having the same pride, sin of pride as Satan himself did. Where, you know, there's this idea that one of the reasons why, you know, we don't know for sure, of course, but why Satan rebelled. It's like, what? You're making these humans? What the heck? And I feel like when people have this reaction is because they think, well, we're the most important creation. There can't be other things. And it's like, did you miss the part of the gospel where Jesus emphasized humility and talked about being meek and humble of heart? So there could be a great opportunity here because I'm thinking if there's some, you know, there could be some, you know, alien race out there and one of the purposes of their existence is really to remind us to be humble because I think we are so prideful sometimes. We think that humans are the best and the greatest. And actually, even though it seems like that from Genesis one, but if you take the entire Bible as a whole, you see there are plenty of times that God reminds us we are nothing without. And we are nothing without Christ. You know, whatever happened to like dust, Lent has just started, you know, like dust you are and into dust you shall return, right? And it's like, yes, there's heaven and all that stuff, but we're also reminded of the unimportance of humans. I mean, look at Job when God says like, who are you to question me? Where were you when I created the universe? And so like, I feel like we, that many people fall into the sin of pride that, you know, oh, humans, you know, we're like God's Ferrari, right? And there was the be all end all. Do they forget also that like Father Martins and Orion gets into this all the time? Do they forget the fact that an angel or demon, because they're fall, you know, a fallen angel, can do a calculation faster than the smartest human? Or our best supercomputer? Did they forget that? Like that they're already, God has already created things many smarter than us. Yeah, I think that's, I mean, come on. The Bible says that Matthew, right? It says like that we were created a little lower than the angels and every angelic encounter in the Bible is like one of fear. They say, don't be afraid, you know? And then, and then if it's, you know, and don't worship me if it's not the angel of the Lord, which we, we've kind of unpacked here is perhaps a pre-incarnate Christ. Like, so you have these things that are much higher or a little higher in the sense of like, and super ancient. Like, you know, you were quantifying some of these UFO encounters as there's hoaxes, there's natural phenomenon. And then there's a slice that is, it's sort of the unexplained phenomena that lends itself to the study, right? To trying to figure out. I think on our show we figured that there's so many encounters are negative, if you will. These are terrifying. You have the abduction phenomena. You've got stuff like, like the Gary Nolan stuff where people have encounters and they are injured. And then there's a few that are positive. This is the Gary Stearman story from one that we had on our show where he was saved by UFOs that showed up and guided his plane and also a time incident as you talked about. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, why do you think there's so many over-welling? Yeah, it's a majority negative and then some positive. Yeah, why does it seem to be overwhelmingly negative in a sense as far as the experience is? That's a great question. There's actually, I would push back, that's not overwhelming negative. There's actually a huge amount of positive too. If you read books by John Mack and I got into a fight with Ryan, Bethel, Rima about this, I'm like, are you just making assumptions or did you actually read any of the books? If you read any of the books, there's actually plenty of positive. I'll grant you with many of the negative, yeah, absolutely, there could be something demonic. Absolutely. However, there are other possible explanations that have to be considered. Number one, if there are other species out there that are flesh and blood, physical like you and me, there are good ones and there are evil ones probably. Just like we have in the human race. I mean, like, why would, like, you can have physical beings that are evil. You know what I mean? Like humans that are just extremely evil, right? That we have examples of. And so I think that's one thing you have to consider. And when we do that, we talk about it sort of like those that potentially are loyal to the king, to the king of heaven and those that are not, right? If we're to take this analogy then talk about the God is in control and the kingdom of heaven is a real thing and God reigns over the kingdom of heaven. In the same way that we have people that follow Jesus and follow the ways of God and Jesus, then you have those that don't, right? And I think maybe that's an interesting idea too in like in this sort of galactic understanding of the universe. And there's also people say there's a lot of false Jesuses. So what are those things? Yeah, I mean, that's the whole like UFO God stuff. Where do they come from? How does that work? You know? Well, what I think is that if aliens are real and they exist, if they exist, like I said, I'm not gonna sit here before you and claim we have conclusive evidence because we don't. But if they are real, then I would say that they are also made the image and likeness of God and have free will, which means some of them can be evil because they might also have free will. And so I think that that's one issue, but another is ontological shock. Because you don't think that aliens are real and suddenly you're like in some of these cases, that's why there may be some negativity. It's not necessarily because there's something fundamentally evil or anything like that, but rather we need to consider the possibility of you're just shocked by something you didn't think you knew existed. And actually one of them, I think that all these stories of abduction, I tend to stay away from them because I think that this is where I might have some significant overlap with Father Martin's where like and Ryan, well, I'm like, yeah, you know, a lot of that could be spiritual and also mental health. But I think there's a tiny sliver with physical evidence. I think you guys have had on the show, people talk about alleged alien implants and things like that. I'm like, come on, when you got physical evidence, that is I think something else that's happening. Yeah. Well, I, you know, the show's blurry creatures because there's not a lot of physical evidence for all these things, right? The way that you can prove like a Sasquatch is out there is devoting yourself to it and then just thousands and thousands of stories. And after a while, you just say that the sheer scientific number that all these people are lying, there's, you shape some sort of evidence, but then you bring on people who have the physical evidence. They have a footprint that isn't fake. They have some hair. They have some things to kind of give, you know, kind of take it out of the blurry space and make it, there is data here, right? And so you get craft. I mean, we had a amazing story on ours about a trapper who had a piece of the Roswell crash, you know, and this Mormon missionary, you know, was talking to his buddy and he's trying to convert him. Yeah. He was trying to convert the trapper. And the trapper was like, I got something you're going to look at in my head, you know? And it, and it was just like a bizarre afterthought in these letters that this guy was writing home to his parents, but this trapper had a piece. It was a big piece. Couldn't dent it, couldn't scratch it, had weird markings on it. And he was on the line in Roswell where this crash happened. And this whole story, then he goes on this like 70s, like a radio show and then he ends up MIA, just like a lot of these guys do, magical, you know? Yeah. If I wish people would just, yeah, if people can say physical pieces, they can send it to me or another scientist. But we can, I can run tests to show whether something is just terrestrial and they misidentified it, which very often happens, or something is legitimately anomalous. And I got the tools to say whether it's probably one thing or another. But I'm just saying those stories exist. But there's so many. Yeah, there's so many of them. And after a while, you're like, okay, I wasn't there. I didn't see this, but you look at the data behind the data and you have to sort of form some kind of hypothesis from something, you know? Yeah, there's historical examples of this though. Yeah, and I think that people just think the demons just do everything. And it's like, well, people are seeing a Sasquatch and they're describing an actual thing and it's always the same thing. So if demons can just poof, make aliens and poof, make UFOs and to deceive us, then why aren't we seeing a billion bizarre things? You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Why is it a particular phenomenon that happens over and over and over and over? Why does science work at all? And the reason why it works is because God is good and he's a lawmaker and a law giver. And this was just mentioned. I think Ryan mentioned this in one of the episodes that you was on in your show is there are physical laws. God created a universe that's logical and rational. And if what everything you're just saying is true, then why doesn't like tomorrow I wake up and gravity has turned off? Because God let the demons just screw around. He doesn't because there are very strict laws. Why does conservation of mass work? Why does conservation of energy work? Why do all of my experience work, experiments work in physics, chemistry, biology, like why is the universe a logical rational place? Why is it mathematically structured? And I think because it was created to have a beautiful understandable structure. So yes, the universe is mysterious, but we have been permitted with our rational minds to penetrate those mysteries and be able to understand the universe. So if the universe just has random crap every day, like that doesn't make logical sense. Again, I'm going back to Psalm 92, 15. There is no wickedness in the Lord. God created a universe of non-deception full of things that we can go, huh, that's interesting and we can study the natural world and look at its beauty and look at its underlying mathematical structures. So yeah, I think this is a very significant point. Is not everything is just a deception? Is there are legitimately interesting physical non-spiritual things out there? It's like, you know, I just saw Hamlet with my wife this weekend. There are more things in heaven and earth ratio than are even dreamt of in your philosophy. And that's frightening for a lot of people. And I'll say if you travel the world, you see the European cars, you see the Japanese cars, you see the American cars. And when it comes to the UFO phenomena, you see different types of UFOs. You see the classic disc. Because they're not all one thing. I know, but it feels like they come from different places. I like the cigar ones, personally. Some of these look like, yeah, some of these are just bizarre looking. Some of them look like they have thousands of metal points sticking out of them. I can't make any sense of it. But why would it all be the same if aliens are real? Even if it's just one species, our cars are all different shapes like you just said. Why do we expect them to all be like, we just keep forcing our expectations on the world. But you see little like people will send us photos and videos and some of it's AI, some of it's fake, whatever. Everyone's like, that is interesting. I would never build anything like that. Humans don't build anything like that. That is bizarre. Some of them look like these. Except for the Cybertruck. It's a little dope. But I'm just saying, it's- Blade Runner, that's from Blade Runner. It's bizarre. I had the same idea. I saw Cybertruck on the road and I wanted to say, you know what Blade Runner called and wants his dystopian future truck back. This is a huge aside, but I think Elon actually has mentioned that some of that Cybertruck stuff comes from Blade Runner, which is phenomenal. Anyway. But then I realized it's 2025. We are living in that dystopian future. Where's the flying cars from back to the future? That's what I wanna know. I'm waiting for my flying cars. I'm still waiting for my flying car. I think maybe my last question on this front, Matthew, would be like, as you analyze this purported wreckage, if you can put the conclusion that this is extraterrestrial and publish that, how do you think this changes the conversation as far as like as a scientist around applying physical science to something that, let's just hypothesize that it comes out and it returns isotopes and whatnot. Those sort of readings that are not, that don't make sense. What does that say? I mean, we've talked about what it says and say, but for you as a scientist and it's published, how does that change the conversation that we should be having around this? Well, sadly, this may disappoint you. It won't change anything. And the reason is, is because nobody will listen because people, and I'll get it from all sides, all sides. Because I'm stuck in this area where scientists will say, this is all nonsense and why are you even religious? I was on one podcast where it was supposed to be about UFOs and then it went off the rails. They're like, really? You're a scientist and you believe there was this magic guy named Jesus who rose from the dead and then just turned into like a one hour attack against me. It's on YouTube and I can send you guys like, and actually if you go to the comments, I was shocked and usually comments sections that internet are like, really awful. Literally all the top comments all stood up for me. We're like, dude, leave the guy alone. Like what the heck? There were comments like, really, would it be so bad if everybody loved their neighbor and prayed for their enemies? Would there be such a bad world to live in? Like people defended and like defended Christianity in the comments. But yeah, I've been, first I get attacked by scientists who are atheists who are like, this is all BS, both UFOs and Jesus and religion. They're like, why are you wasting your time Matthew? You're too smart for that. And then we've got the other side where people are like, yeah, it's all demonic and why are you wasting your time? And so I get it from both sides. You know what I mean? Like I just get like attack, attack, attack. And so you're back to your original question. What will it change? Nothing, sadly. What would change if more people like me step forward with physical evidence and test physical evidence and show, look, there is evidence for something anomalous, potentially extraterrestrial. So will my work make a difference? No, but will the second or third person make a difference? Maybe. You see what I mean? You get the ball rolling. Yeah, and I think that there's like a conversation before the conversation. I think that's a lot of what we do because obviously we can't bring the science like you can, but it's sort of, we started with Sasquatch to get people's minds like, oh, I don't, what could possibly exist? And we proved it scientifically through the show. Like, hey, let's bring on the Bigfoot scientist. Let's prove that these footprints, you know, that people send us these things. Art fake, they're not fake, right? And we brought on the best foot expert in the world saying, based on the evidence. Bigfoot guy. Yeah. So you start there and then you move into these complicated topics of like, we have metals from somewhere else. They are building things that are like, move at the speed of light. You know, these are hard concepts. It's easy to start with a Sasquatch and then move towards that. But in our show, it's linear. Eventually you get to the weirdest of the weird. And I would say this is hard for people because if this exists, then literally anything can exist. And I just can't, I can't accept that as a Christian. I think that's a lot of the faith thought process. And that's scary. You weren't saying that as yourself, you're paraphrasing. Yeah, I'm not saying, well, obviously doing this show, I don't know anything at this point. Five years in, it's like, dude, I don't know. I have no idea. And usually, I will say Matthew, the answer is usually all the above. Like, are they spiritual? Yeah. Are they physical? Are they coming from somewhere else? Yeah. Are they in the earth? Yeah. They're doing all of it. Yeah, I think we're merging different things together. Exactly. It's like a whole, like you guys are saying other episodes, a whole animal kingdom of possibilities, thrones and dominions, principalities and powers. I feel like we don't know the entire classification scheme. And we were not told it because it's not relevant to our salvation history and our morals and ethics. It's not necessarily all relevant. We didn't need to know it yet. And so that's why it wasn't revealed, told us because it wasn't needed to live a good life. It's not salvic, right? It's not a salvation issue. This is what we always get to. It's something about the world, but it's not necessarily necessary for you to know it. I actually have, so everyone always asks though, this hasn't come up yet, but everyone always asks, well, okay, if aliens are real, why don't they just like land and say like, hey, we are. They do, right? They do sometimes. Yeah. Valiant Thor, yeah, I know that's that story. But actually this is related to the Valiant Thor legend actually is you know what my hypothesis is? I actually came up with this before I heard about Valiant Thor. Is I came up with this on my own and I told my Navy veteran friend, Gary, Gary Fareed. It's like whom I said, you guys gotta get on this show. But he's Christian and he's the witness to Nimitz UFO encounter. But you know what I told him? I'm like, you know what? I have this hypothesis. Okay, what if aliens are real? And what if, okay, they can't reveal themselves because of the chaos this would cause in our society because what if we ask them, or I do believe in God and they go, yes. And we ask them about the religion and what if they're like, oh yeah, Jesus, we know all about that. What would happen to all the world religions that aren't Christianity? Like there would be a global war and meltdown. So my hypothesis is the reason why aliens don't reveal themselves because they're like, they're like, oh yeah, of course. Like we worship the same God as the Christians do. Why is there a problem? And then the every other religion will go, what the bleep and we'll have world war three. You know what I mean? So that's my personal speculative. No, or Matthew, or they are in rebellion to God and they still have to submit or have to recognize that Jesus is on the throne. And that too is a problem. It's just like, who's the king of kings? And they have to answer that question as Jesus. That is a very big problem for the kingdom of darkness. Right? Yeah, that's interesting. To me, this is the most interesting conversation to have because if you grew up in the church, you realize the Bible is full of sorcery, necromancy, gods, fights, ancient technology, floods, wars, spiritual beings coming to help us save us, appearing clouds of fire, all the things, pillars of fire. And we explained it all the way. We don't dive into that. It's almost like we don't believe any of that stuff happened in the church, a majority of us. It's like, oh yeah, that was, that's kind of mythology and maybe they were like doing some drugs. But it's like, no, no, no. No, some things actually happened, but I think I have a little bit of a controversial view on this. I think a lot of what we call supernatural today is natural, obeys God's laws, but we just haven't figured out how it works yet. So I think a lot of what we think is paranormal or supernatural, like Bigfoot, for example, might just be a hairy ape and might just be a physical creature and is not supernatural paranormal. With great hair. Yeah, with great. Great lettuce. Yeah. But I think there's a lot of combination here where there are certain things that are physical and some things that are all of the above, like you said earlier, all of the above. I love that. Yeah, and I think when it comes to the UFO conversation, we just have to kind of plug it in there and kick it around and debate it and understand that these elements that you're testing, the metals involved here stick around and linger. We can pick them up, we can take them into a lab, we can look at them and say, and Bob Bazar talks about that element 115. Can you talk a little bit about that? Like what is the metal that they use? And what have you learned about particular that part of what they make these things out of? Well, as I said, I haven't learned anything yet because I don't know if even of what I have is real as opposed to, for example, the first thing I tested was secret airplane. I have to tell you though, this is going to, probably annoy and upset some of you viewers. I'm very skeptical Bob Bazar's story. I'm all in on the like, you know, is a UFO conspiracy and crash retrievals. Absolutely. But as a physicist, a lot of what Bob Bazar says makes no sense. It makes sense superficially, but as a scientist, I'm like, yeah, that doesn't make any sense. So like element 115 was already discovered many years ago. I think in Russia has none of the properties he claims. And so my theory is that, yeah, Bob Bazar, sure he was involved, but I'm very skeptical he's actually a scientist. I feel like he was employed as like not a scientist, overheard some stuff and misunderstood it. And I know that anger is a lot of, you know, true believers, but here's the thing. I'm just out to find the truth. And I feel like there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there. And I just look at where's the physical evidence because a lot of these things are like a trust me bro story, which I know you guys do on the show, but like I need the physical evidence. And so the whole 115 thing, I'm like, the real 115 is radioactive and decays in a fraction of a second. And I haven't heard an explanation from Bob that makes sense as to why he can get around that. So yeah, a lot of what he says doesn't make any sense to me. Do I believe there's a secret program? Absolutely. But I don't know if like Bob's for real and he was really part of it. I'm very, very skeptical. So that's, I'm gonna get angry emails and angry comments now, but on the video, but you know what? I'm used to them. They're coming for you. I don't think you are saying anything that people don't say in this space. I think you take the good with the bad. Nobody on our show agrees with anybody else. Actually appreciate the opposite view of things. Like Father Martin saying what he thinks about this phenomena. And I'm like, well, actually in the archives of the vacuum, there are documents. So it's not a modern phenomena. It's an ancient phenomenon. And none of us know all of the data. None of us can, like, so Bob knows a piece of it, a part of it, and that's okay. Like he's making theories, maybe he's filling in holes or maybe he's misguided on some parts of it. Just like you, like we get misguided often on our show trying to figure out what's going on in these spaces. We can't get it all right. But over time, I will say there's a few things, and my last question will be, or statement or kind of want to talk about is, a lot of Christians email us and say, I have been abducted. It's not a good experience. Nobody will listen to me. Nobody will believe me. Thank you for talking about these things. Because I've been suffering my whole life dealing with this and I've slowly pieced together. I'm an abductee. And it's nice to have Christians being willing to talk about these things. And it feels like an important part, giving voice to people who have, this is like spiritual abuse in some way. And it's hard enough to say, a human is abusing me. That alone is something that doesn't exist as abusing. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a big part of the conversation we have here. And I think giving that, giving the credibility to those people is worth it, in my opinion, to have this conversation. So in my opinion, like with the abduction story, look, they get really dark. There's stories of alleged rape, you know, and Father Martins and Ryan went into that a little bit. And it's dark and it doesn't seem good or healthy. And so, but to my view is, again, is skeptical, but I don't make fun of people. I'm not gonna say, oh, it's just mental illness. You made it up because what do I know? And this goes back to humility, is maybe there is something real happening. And so, but the way, my point of view would be like, I want to find out then and help that person and get the evidence. Is it physical? Can I collect physical evidence? If it's spiritual, to me, it's very simple. Does it go away in the name of Jesus? Yes, no. Yes? Okay, it's probably demonic. No? Okay, then let's gather physical evidence. Could these be flesh and blood, beans, but aliens, not humans, like us. I want to get to the truth because I believe, like you guys do, there is a truth out there. A truth with a capital T, not just moral truth. As we talked in Christianity, there's a scientific truth that can't contradict each other. There is a truth out there. I want to know the truth. If someone's telling you a story and it really happened, they're not mentally ill, they're not making it up, let's listen to them, but not just listen. I want to also help. Let's take it to the next level and figure out what is afflicting them. What type of thing is it? And do we address it with the tools of physical science? And Ryan and Father Martin always talk about this, or do we address it with a different set of tools because it's something spiritual? I love it. Thank you. We appreciate this conversation. And we're going to continue in the after show, talking about dark matter now, but thank you for coming on the podcast and just talking about these things. I think it's like, for us, it's obviously, we can't get into the deep part of the physics and the science behind it as much as you can with your colleagues, but we think it's important conversation to have. So, Shadagus. Shadagus, yeah. So if our listeners want to find the work you've done, I know you've got some published papers and also some of the things you're working on. I know you work with uapxpedition.org and doing some other things. Where do they find the things you're doing, Matthew, so they can connect? And as Nate said, we get to the after show, your day job. You look and search for dark matter. What is that? We're going to get into that. And maybe even talk a little about Skinwalker Ranch on the other side. So if you're a member, enjoy this extended part of our after show. And if you're not, you can check out a membership some blurrycreatures.com slash members. But Matthew, where can our listeners find you and connect with the work you're doing? It's extremely easy to find me since my last name is so unique. You literally stick my last name into any search engine like Google and you'll find everything I've done. You'll find contact information from me. It's really, really easy. So simple. The only exception is, so also include my first name, you know, Matthew, hopefully your listeners won't have this problem. You can't believe the number of times people spell Matthew with one T. I'm like, okay, have you ever cracked open a Bible? It's Matthew with two T's. First God's play. You know, like the apostle, like the tax collector, like give me a break. So it's Matthew with two T's because if you don't do that, you'll find my sister because she's famous. She's actually an actress and she actually was in Mrs. Maisel. She played the part of Zelda. She was also in the Sopranos. So if you just put Shaddaq, you'll find Matilda, my sister. So you need to include my first name. Obviously, it's an exact phrase. But then you'll find everything I've done. You'll find how to contact me, how to find me. Just put in Matthew Shaddaq. That's Z-Y-D-A-G-I-S. Well, thank you for coming on our show. Thank you for letting a couple of dummies ask you some basic questions and thank you for trying to explain it in layman's terms to us. Stick around for the after show. And check out Matthew's work. And good luck with documenting this and your papers and pushing the data forward and helping the scientific community accept some of these harder truths to swallow. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Let's go.