#4651 Live, Lüft, Love

Clarence Armstrong has a unique cat. Yeah, he's pretty unusual. Let's go. Hey, come on. His name is Taegri, and he's more like a dog than a cat. I think he's more intelligent than a dog. He likes this every day when the weather's nice. Clarence and Taegri go for a walk and they usually end up at a fast food restaurant in Renton. Would you like that? What she's today? Clarence goes inside and gets a cup of coffee and Taegri waits for him outside. He'll just sit right there. It's darling. In the summertime, sometimes when it's too hot, I don't bring him over. Taegri will wait for Clarence for hours. Customers are amazed. When I first walked up the ramp, I thought it was a statue. He's the best. We've known him for about, what, three years? Oh, he's a little sweetheart. Clarence says he takes Taegri everywhere, to the grocery store, bowling alley, and library. Clarence and Taegri are best friends. Taegri, you ready to go? Hey, you ready to go home? And this is his Christmas sweater. Elton John would be impressed with Taegri's sunglass collection. And when it comes to hats, Taegri has a different hat for every occasion. Here's his Christmas scarf that goes with it. When he wants to swing in it, he'll push it and get it started. And just when you think you've seen it all, Clarence pulls out Taegri's favorite snack food. Now this is my cat's grapefruit pond. Now you've seen everything. Scott Rensberger, Cairo News Channel 7. TVTL. Hi, podcast. Oh, no. I consider myself to be an absolutely dead center, normal, average American. You negligently ruined her iPhone. You have to pay for that. Simple as that. Isn't that rocket science? What is rocket science? Rocket science is when the scientists find out things about space. As far as I'm concerned, they're the worst looking things I've ever seen. I mean, they are pathetic looking. They're homely. I don't know what exactly the attachment is. I think they're cute, but kind of funny looking. This is what happens when you hire two guys with a podcast. Let's get to the jokes. All right. Hello. Good morning and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's a kind of magic. My name, my name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I just want you to be normal and clearly you're not. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill Studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia. Luke, who's back? I was getting a delivery last week and the FedEx guy looked over at the. I have the name Madrona Hill Studio, not studio, but Madrona Hill on the outside of this little converted garage. For reasons that I don't fully understand, I think I wanted to feel like I was going somewhere like designated to work. And it's actually odd to me how many people that pull up here to drop things off and deliver things are not curious about that. But this guy was, he said, what's Madrona Hill? And then I had to explain that I do a podcast in here five days a week. And then he asked me the dreaded question, which is what's it called? So anyway, shout out FedEx guy. If you're listening, that's what's going on inside that building that says he also told me that he was really into Madrona trees and he read online that you can make tea out of their berries. So he and his kid picked a bunch of Madrona berries and made tea. And it was awful. It was unundrinkable. So that's a story about Madrona tree, berry tea. Right here on episode 4,651 in a collector series. The fun begin. We're going to talk about house burping today. And why it is that I chose to play that that drop. You're a gross person. It's actually something that my friend Andrew Walsh referenced, I don't know, a week or two ago without even knowing that he was very on trend. Speaking of my friend Andrew Walsh, he's the longest running cobro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He sometimes will in a pinch, he'll hold the door around her. Which we really appreciate. And he is joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. I thought when you were telling that story about the Madrone berries, I call it Oh, I see, which I did also, I mentioned that to the Fed as I go. Another thing is it also can be called Madrone. I thought maybe I didn't think this. I was half expecting or maybe kind of hoping, although that would be child endangerment, I was kind of wondering if you were going to say they started tripping from drinking this tea. It does sound ayahuasca. It sounds like, oh, where is this going? And to be honest with you, looking at this particular Fed ex guy, I believe he had sort of longer hair, may have been in a ponytail. He had some pretty powerful, my name is Otto and I love to get blotto vibes. It smells like Otto's jacket. Did you happen to see, I think I forwarded it to you. Did you see this piece? We can get deeper into it later if you feel like it's worth it. But something about there's some mushrooms somewhere in China, I think that people have been taking, I think for a long time in the small village or something. But the weird thing about them is they're not just causing hallucinations. They're called causing the same hallucinations to everybody. You sent me that story a while ago and I saw the headline. I didn't actually delve into it. So that's the that's the deal is that they're it's not just that they're hallucinating, but the hallucination is the same. And the hallucination is you see dozens of tiny little human beings. And I almost didn't send it to you. I saw this in like my social media stream somewhere and I was like, oh, this could be like total Zerg net, but it's from the BBC. Yeah, the big black comedy show that I went to in Las Vegas. That's what I was assuming. Yeah, no, this is from the British Broadcasting Corporation. The headline is they saw them on their dishes when eating. That's a quote. The mushroom making people hallucinate dozens of tiny humans. And I think this is the first time anybody's found something. I don't know if you want to classify it as a drug or something edible that I consider medicine, the same hallucination for everybody. Yeah, I don't want to be. I do not want to be no but here because that's your job. But I wonder it sounds the thing that would be hard to pin down is, you know, when you hear about something where the same thing happens to a bunch of people, that sometimes it can be described as a sort of mass hysteria or mass delusion or like, you know, a bunch of teenagers in a particular town start fainting or something. It's kind of what's that called social contagion or something. And so my mind immediately wonders if there's a social contagion aspect. And then it's also the fact that the people reporting this are on the drugs. Although I will tell you, I am not against a little psilocybin ingestion. I actually find mushrooms to be a quite pleasant experience. I've never had like a I've never had a hallucination. I don't think I'm when I when I've had mushrooms, I'm not having enough of them. And I'm OK with that. I don't want to see little men like that actually doesn't sound relaxing to me. That sounds unsettling. Like I like the amount of psilocybin that just kind of like makes everything a little more chill. Well, I will say that. So this is a really long article. It's pretty in depth and it in it. I don't know. I guess you were joking when you said the reporters are on the drugs. I don't think that's necessarily. No, not the reporters, the people talking to the. Oh, right. But I think people are saying they're having the same delusion or excuse me, hallucination or hallucinating, which to me lowers their believability, I guess is what I'm saying. But the interesting thing about it is it was known in this one and says small village in China, but then they found it in other parts of the world where the same thing was happening to people who were not in conversation with those small things. And this has been being studied since the 90s. So I don't know. I do sort of trust this. It says an academic literature published in 1991. So it seems like it's pretty in depth. And I will say that I don't know that I made it through the whole thing, but I'm scrolling here and it goes on and on and on. I don't think. That sounds more legit. Yeah, I think this is a little bit more than then. Then then then maybe my my initial instincts. Whatever happened with the where where did we land on the Cuba thing with the hearing? Remember like some this. Oh, yeah, they found the device. They think they did find the device. Yeah, you mean the kind of like the the sonic warfare that was being perpetrated against people in like the embassy. I swear that story first broke when you and I were working together at Cairo. Could that story go back further than 10 years at this point? Cuba syndrome, I just or whatever they call that, right? Yeah, I think I have an a syndrome. A van syndrome, right? Yeah. Pentagon reportedly testing radio wave device linked to Havana system. This is from Scientific American, which is the only comedy show I go to. This reported machine may be linked to Havana syndrome, a debated condition characterized by a strange panoply of symptoms that were experienced by US officials stationed in Cuba. Boy, if there was ever a Scientific American subheadline, you just heard it. Yeah, right. I thought that was the last graph. Nope, that's where they're starting. So it looks like they have they've located a device that they think might be what was making people have that experience of Havana syndrome. This is bananas that you and I or I guess we accidentally stumbled onto this today. Like this is newish news that we're talking about. This was just like last week. This was I could have reported on it when I was in Miami. I was very close to Cuba. That's right. This is a headline from CNN, which is even more interesting. Pentagon bought device through undercover operation. Some investigators suspect is linked to Havana syndrome. So again, just based on the headlines, it sounds like they were they bought this. The Defense Department has spent more than a year testing a device, purchased in an undercover operation that some investigators think could be the cause of a series of mysterious ailments, diplomats, troops. A division of the Department of Homeland Security purchased the device for millions of dollars in the waning days of the Biden administration. I knew nothing useful could have been happening under the current administration. You know what I mean? Like they're not smart enough to do an undercover buy of the thing that was doing Havana syndrome, the waning days of the Biden administration, using funding provided by the Defense Department. The device is still being studied and there is ongoing debate. And in some quarters of a government skepticism over its link to the dozens of anomalous health incidents, the device acquired produces pulse radio waves. One of the sources said which some officials and academics have speculated for years could be the cause of the incident. So there you go. They they may or may not have have figured out what was making that happen. I don't know if I like how close we got to actually reporting news here, Luke. This is this is topical. I mean, usually I'm more like reviewing Star Trek for the way home or whatever it's called. That's more like what we like to do or juggalos or juggalos. I guess last week on the program, that's your go to. I think you I think what you really demonstrated, Andrew, for all of us was your antipathy towards the topic of juggalos. Well, I wish I said that. Oh, I'm not trying to call you out. I'm mostly just joking. But I think you're actually right. Like the juggalos really they served their purpose on this show and they served with distinction and honor and Fego all over their heads. But but like that was a period of time. And what's funny about that is and I think was that kind of that was sort of before your. Yes, that's what I was going to say. So it's not even like by the time I was on the show, you were already a little fatigued by juggalo content. You know, it was probably a small but hardy part of TBTL in the early days. Well, yeah, it was. But what it really was was it became like other things on this show have become extremely, strongly associated with the brand. So for years and probably even to this day, we'll get juggalo content from people. And again, I'm absolutely no harm in that. But it's when people when the listeners of this show, the long time listeners of the show, see juggalos in the news, they think of TBTL. Yes. And you specifically. I'm looking I'm a little distracted. I did. I do have some juggalo really. And most people think I'm on drugs because I'm always happy. No, I'm high on life. A listener sent me that a long time ago. That's a juggalo who's high on life. Yeah, I didn't know that was a juggalo. Yeah. What is this one? So I'm worried about some of these because they're some of them are kind of like from juggalo promotions where they like yell at you in a deep voice. Yeah, that's like that's like coming this weekend or whatever, not this weekend, but cave in Rock, Illinois. We used to play those a lot. Oh, this is a puzzle. And each of every one of us is an interval piece that puts a big push and when we're all together, it puts a big picture. So it lets us to see the big picture. That's actually me just trying to get through on Monday on TV. T.L. is what that was. This is something. Do I dare play something called juggalo barbecue that's 12 seconds long? Sure, do it to it. I have a feeling this is going to be. I was listening to Chuck Klosterman on the Pablo Torrey finds out podcast. And I'm man, I'm too. Oh, man, how great was that interview? That was pretty good. I mean, I was it was a little bit background for me, but I thought it was interesting that not to get into formatics, but it was like Pablo was just kind of like, all right, go. Like, I don't even remember a setup for it. It just sort of seemed like just let him talk and he was just sort of rat tat tatting for a random time. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm a Klosterman head. So I thought it was actually interesting that Pablo started off by saying like I'm a fan of yours, although at my college that was considered in poor taste. I don't actually know how I heard that. Oh, yeah. It's how he literally started like was like one minute into the interview. I was like, all right, we know you went to Harvard, Pablo, but simmer down. But the thing Chuck Klosterman was saying was that his old people will come up to him and they'll they'll reference a book that he wrote when he was like in his late 20s. And he says, you know, I'm really not that person anymore. And I haven't reread that book ever. And they actually know more about that version of me than I do because they just maybe finished that book that I wrote when I was much younger. And that's not who I am anymore. And that really hit me because it made me think about the eras of TVTL and the kind of things that we used to say and jokes we would make or even tape that we would play and how, you know, that's really kind of not who we are anymore. And, you know, and how do you make sense of that? Or how do you think about that? Like things that you said and did that you sort of don't currently stand by. So with that all being said, I'm going to play something called Juggalo barbecue that's 12 seconds long, but I'm almost sure I don't stand by. I don't know what it is, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret it. Anyway, here we go. Every year, this party becomes more outrageous as the thousands of pre cheese burgers, hot dogs and ice cold Fego rain from the stage. All right, that was not bad. That's the stuff I have a bunch of that to I think from the same promo. What is this? Adventure, so awesome that the memory will live on with you forever. Anyway, what about do you think Juggalo Michael Jackson trial? That seems that seems fraught 16. I have something called Juggalo Michael Jackson trial. This year, the lucky Juggalo's in attendance will be jamming out to the awesome sounds of the greatest Michael Jackson tribute band in history. Oh, tribute bands. I couldn't see the whole word. Oh, you thought it was true. I said TRI. That TRI was actually not enough. I was it was the opposite of TMI. It was not enough information. I was totally, totally wrong about that. But anyway, we just set the show back by about 15 years. And now we're just saying how we were shedding this. Send in all your Juggalo content, folks. Send in the clowns as it were. Oh, actually, that's that's that's that's pretty good. Hey, I've been I mentioned this like a long kind of a long time ago on the show. Like I think before you went to Vegas and it was funny because you had a sort of an odd an audible kind of response to it. And then you brought it up in passing. I can't remember if it was on the show or off the air. But I had mentioned that I'm kind of becoming a shoes off situation here at the Madrone the Madrone Hill Studio and even in my house a little bit. And I didn't see it coming for me. Basically, the deal is, as you know, I to come out here to this converted garage, I come leave my little house and come out here. So of course, I'm going to have to have shoes on. But it also means that I'm them tracking a lot of dirt and debris into here. And I'm the area that I'm broadcasting from. There's an there's an area rug that is like my chair is on and everything's on. It's supposed to kind of absorb some of the sound. But I wisely bought something that has a lot of kind of white in it. I don't know why I keep doing that. And so I find myself that needing to vacuum this rug a lot because I come in, come on in and I walk over and I sit down and start talking to you. And I'm always tracking dirt onto this rug. And then one day I realized, you know, I've got two different pairs of clog like shoes. I've got some Birkenstocks and I've got some other ones that I bought from the internet. It's called CVs, I think, basically look like Birkenstocks. And I realized that what I can do is as I'm leaving my house, I slip into these slip bonds, I come out here, I walk in here. And then right before I get to the corner of the carpet, I step out of the slip bonds and I walk over here and I start doing the show with you. So yes, I don't have shoes on right now. I do have socks, but it has totally solved this vacuuming problem. And then what I notice is when I go back into my house, then I just take the slip bonds off again and then I'm in my house in my socks and I'm not tracking dirt in there and I'm absolutely loving it. Now the caveat is I'm not making anyone else do this at my house. That's not the rule of my home. But what I'm finding is for me personally, Andrew, this shoes off lifestyle is really working. Yeah. And I don't, you know, I just want to reiterate here. This comes up a lot because I say that I am not comfortable going. I don't like socializing in my socks. That's basically it. Like if I'm going to a party as I did this last summer and I was quite uncomfortable and it was, you know, a decent size house party at my friend's very beautiful house and shoreline and it was a shoes off party I knew was going to be and get there and that's just like, you see this huge pile of shoes at the front door and everybody's taking their shoes off. And then the whole time I just feel like a child. I feel like I don't, it's just not how I wouldn't want to take off my shoes walking into a bar and I don't want to take off my shoes walking into a party. That's how I feel. I've said, I do the shoes off bar. Oh, I'm sure they have them. Are you kidding? How long before, how long before Portland or the lower East side? I was going to say off bar. I'm sure I'm almost guarantee they have them. But that's not me saying to other people, you can't have shoes off parties. I'm just saying, but I'm at an age where I also have enough autonomy and kind of enough give a shit. Inness just to say, yeah, I kind of don't care if this makes me look bad or lack of give a shit in this about like, yeah, yeah, you know, take me as I am. But I'm telling you, I'm probably not interested in like coming to your party if it means I'm hanging out in my socks all night. But I would never tell people that they can't have that rule for their house. I'm just saying that that's it's not for me. Right. And I'm not, this isn't a criticism of you, but what this is for me, I think is the the camel's nose under the tent because it starts with I'm like a hard no on shoes off things. Although I'm not quite as I don't have the same boundaries you have. So if I went to someone's house and it was shoes off, I would take my shoes off. I would just, I would just feel insecure the whole time. Well, I mean, I do. I mean, that is what happens to me. What has happened? I've just tried to now kind of avoid it a little bit. If you know, that's what's going to happen. I don't know if I want to go to that. Totally. New Year's Eve thing, if it's going to be at the house where I know they don't wear shoes. But like what for me, I feel like is the evolution of this is it starts with I'm a no shoes off guy or I don't like it. And then in my own life, I start to realize, wow, there really is kind of something to this. Like because what happens is my level of anxiety about how dirty the rugs are getting it, it's sort of like that level of anxiety drops. So it's an overall, it's a real net positive for me because as I'm sitting here talking to you, no part of my brain is being occupied with, with, with, when was the last time I vacuumed this rug that I'm on. And the other thing, the same thing's happening in my main home environment, which is I have started to on occasion, like probably maybe once a month or once every other month, I will hire someone to come over and do some sort of housekeeping stuff for me. And while my house is generally speaking very tidy, what she and her cleaning partner do is they, they really clean the floors and the sink and the oven. And they like steam the floor, which I didn't actually know was maybe that's something you talk about on spotless. But like when I come home, the per, for me, the perfect version of this is if this can happen while I'm on like a work trip. And then when I come home and the house is like so clean, it's the floor is clean and you're to a level that, you know, there's nothing, you, you could think your house is clean and then the afternoon sunlight comes in a window and you're just like, I'm the seasons change. That's living in an absolute pigsty right now. This, they get the floor so clean that like it can even stand up to the harsh scrutiny of, of the sunlight, the afternoon, the low winter afternoon sunlight coming in. And then my obsession becomes do not under any circumstances mess this floor up. Purbs. The game is how long can I preserve this level of cleanliness in this house? Because it's so nice right now. I don't want to use anything. I don't, I don't want to walk on the floors. I don't want to besmirch anything that's been smirked. You know, what's the act of, is it smirked? If I be smirked, then was it smirked? So when I come in from the outside, like I, especially during these winter months, like I also, actually it's weird because I'm actually, I do this more than Genevieve does. In fact, like I actually, if I'm coming in from outside and I've been out and about during the, you know, Seattle winter, I always kick off my shoes when I get home because I don't want to track shit all over my house either. But I have a couple of pairs of sort of indoor shoes that are like, you know, we've had this conversation before, Spary Top Siders. It was funny because you didn't know what Spary Top Siders were. You were picturing them incorrectly. They're just like, they're just like little sneakers that you slip on and they have rubber bottoms. They were mentioned in this book that I was reading recently as something people were wearing way back in the 1960s. So I didn't realize they were kind of a classic shoe, but. I had them in high school. Yeah. They're just like slip on shoes, no laces, rubber bottoms, canvas top, very, very basic design. And I have a couple of those and like one of them is like kind of quasi inside, outside. So in other words, I have one pair that is almost only inside and then another pair that I'll wear inside. But then if I'm going to take the garbage out, I'll wear those outside, take the garbage out, then kick them off at the door and put the other ones on. I kind of rotate them. So I'm not totally blind to, you know, I'm not tracking shit all over the place all the time. Also, I had a question for you. I assume that you have a wireless vacuum out in your studio. You're not bringing it back. You're a cordless and yeah. I do, but it sucks. Remember how we descended into vacuum talk? Good point. That, you know what? I'll allow it. No, that was good. That was some farsight humor. And I, and I'm here for it. Um, you remember that when the show descended into vacuum talk for like a long time, because I was buying those Temco, I basically like Becca had recommended this like cheap, like very like, maybe a hundred dollar version of a cordless vacuum, as opposed to the really fancy Dyson one, which I had purchased in the past, but which seemed to always break on me. And they were very expensive. They're like four or $500. And I thought, well, I can buy two of these Temco ones. I can have one in the house and one out here. Well, you do, I think you kind of get what you pay for these, these, uh, these Temcos, what they do, the problem. So I do have one out here, but it's not very effective. Have you ever had a cordless vacuum or even a regular vacuum that it won't hold? What it has sucked up. This is hard to explain, but basically while I'm activating it, so that while I'm pressing the button, it is sort of vacuuming stuff up, but it's got that long kind of tube, right? And the second that I take, I turn it off, it releases a bunch of stuff that it had up in the tube. You know what I mean? So I have a whole, I have developed this really ridiculous system where it's like diaper for it. Totally. It's like I'm vacuuming a vacuum, a vacuuming, and then I'm holding it and then I'm walking outside with it still activated because as soon as I tell it to stop sucking, it's going to just release like most of what it's so, and the, the, so that's the, that's what's going on with that vacuum. Clear. I have one out here, but it's not particularly effective. Now I did break down and buy another cordless vacuum from Ryobi and Andrew. Yeah. Cannot recommend this thing highly enough. First of all, it's not as expensive as that animal. I think it was maybe 150 bucks or something, but it uses, I have all these different Ryobi products that are all on the same battery system. So like I have a Ryobi drill that uses the same kind of battery, the vacuum cleaner, which is what uses the, they're using the same battery. I'll use the same Ryobi battery. That's the dream. How many batteries do you have? Oh, you would be pleasantly appalled. You'd be pleasantly appalled. I might have like eight of these batteries. I've got them charging at all times. I've got a whole like a whole charging station down in the basement of these Ryobi batteries because my, I have a shop vac, a Ryobi shop vac that uses this battery system. So it's very, it's very elegant that way, very convenient. But that thing, it's that thing is like, it's got so much suction to it that it will like, it's, it's sort of like a dog that's overly aggressive and you try to take it to the dog park. And it's just like going after every other dog. If this Ryobi thing hits on a piece of like area rug, it's just like, it's pulling up all of the area. I'm like, okay, all right, buddy. I'm like, he's nice. He just, he's, he's nervous. He, that's his reaction to being nervous. I was a little scared. I'm going to bring my Dyson over to have like kind of a vacuum party, a play date. My Ryobi does not do particularly well around Dyson's. Yeah. Yeah. He was his previous owners used to torture him with a Dyson vacuum by running it near him and he's still a little shell shock from that. Does it have a headlight? I'm looking at some of these. Some of them have headlights. I'm not trying to make you jealous if they don't, if yours does. I don't know if my Ryobi cordless vac, I'll tell you the kind that I have. Sticky vacuum. So let's see. They offer power. Yeah. I've got the, yeah. I've got the Ryobi one. Uh, yeah. I think it's got a head. I think it's got a, uh, this thing, by the way, you can buy it at home depot.com. Not an advertiser on the show, but we would accept it. Um, yeah, I've got this Ryobi stick vac and man, Andrew, it is no joke. It is like, it is, I would say it's better than any of the Dyson products of peace and love. I know we have a listener who works for Dyson, but like this thing is frigging phenomenal. Would recommend. Nice. Nice. I love that. Yeah. All right. Hey, let's, uh, thank a couple of donors here. These folks are supporting TBTL financially. And, uh, it's, uh, well, it's how this thing can happen. Five days a week, 52 weeks a year. I had a moment, Andrew, the other day, I don't know why, but I just, I had, I don't know, you probably had this too, where I just had this moment of realizing that we're probably going to be doing this for the rest of our life, or at least for a long time and that we have to do five of them a week. I'm not complaining. We're very lucky to have this job. I'm very grateful. But like every once in a while, I'll just go like, what if I don't have anything to talk about in eight months on a particular Wednesday? You know what I mean? Like we've just been doing it for so long. It seems to work out, but I just, I, all of a sudden it hit me like, what if I just lose the ability to form words or I just, nothing interesting happens to me or like, I, there's something about the fact that we're going to do this as long as there is financial support for it. Almost like it struck me out of the blue and I had a moment. Do you worry that I am unemployable at this point? And so you feel an obligation to me to keep this going because otherwise what in the world would I do? I, well, I mean, I think there, no, I don't, I think you're highly employable. I think you're more employable than I am because I have absolutely no ability to take any sort of constructive or non-constructive feedback from bosses anymore. I really think what would happen is, if, if I couldn't do the show anymore, for whatever reason, if I was incapacitated in some way, I think you, I would hope you would keep doing the show. And I would think you'd either pull maybe Veeves in or John in or even maybe friend of the program, Cassie Chattelaine, who happens to be standing by in of all places, Pullman Washington. Hi, Cassie. Oh, boy, boy, guys. Hi. So nice to see your shining face. Oh, good to see you guys always. Yeah. Good to see you. Thanks for joining us today. We're going to be talking to Cassie in a moment here about the, the, the big move from the Bay Area to Eastern Washington. I've been following this on Instagram and it had been too long since we had talked to Cassie. In the meantime, though, let's thank some of those donors, some of the people making it so that we have to do this for the rest of our life. That doesn't sound properly grateful to you. We don't have to. We get to these are the people making it so we get to do this for the rest of our life. Andrew, we're talking about Charlie Hanna check, who's in Des Moines, Washington. Nice. Thank you, Charlie. Appreciate growing up. Did you grow up on the East? You grew up in, why do I think of Garfield, Washington and you, Cassie? Is that, that's where you hail from, right? That's where I hail from the large metropolitan area of Garfield, 500 people population. Now, did you grow up calling it Des Moines or did the, did the name of that city ever even make its way over to Garfield, Washington? Never made its name over. It wasn't until I moved to Seattle that people had to kind of correct me on that pronunciation. Cause you want to call it Des Moines like they do in Iowa, but, uh, but Washington says no, live free or die. We're going to mispronounce it. Um, and that's where Charlie is. Thanks, Charlie. Thanks to Laura Peterson, who's in Seattle, Washington. Had you heard of Seattle, Washington? That was like within a 15th of a second of me graduating high school. I was like, bye, going to Seattle. You walked, you walked off the stage into a taxi, a waiting taxi cab, which drove you directly to Seattle. Yes. Which had said exactly what I want to talk to you about later on in the show because you have, you have, it sounds like gone from country mouse to city mouse to country mouse again, which is very interesting. I love it. Yes. Uh, you know, who else loves it? Andrew Henderson, who's in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Nice. Our neighbors to the north. I just came up with that, but it sounds nice. That's a good idea. Um, formerly known as our friends to the north. Yes. My friends. Not the current state of things. I really, I had a thought the other day. This sounds like I'm making a joke, but I kind of was and I was like, could Canada and Europe get together and take over this country, please? Like I was like, I'd be okay with that. I'll, I'll, you know what? Come on over. Yeah. And I'll take, I'll take Canadian troops in the streets. That's, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like, I, you know, I wouldn't love that either, but I would, I would like it more than the current situation. Like have we ever had a moment in America where it'd be like, there's a, there's only about five countries that I would think would be worse if they took us over at this point. That leaves a lot of countries that I'm open to the idea with. And we're in a good geographical position to allow them in. You know what I mean? Exactly. You can come right through. Mexico, come on up. Canada, come on down. Yeah. You know, so Andrew, if you want to get on that, I'm just telling you, we are, we're very, very open to the idea. Scott Decay is in Clayton, Washington. Now that's a place I don't think I've heard of Clayton, Washington. Is that anywhere near Garfield, Cassie? Never heard of it, but you know what? He, he's never heard of Garfield either, most likely. So I was going to apologize, but I don't. I'm more of a Heathcliff Washington guy. Those orange caddies. Is Garfield named for the president? It's named for the president, but I love that joke, Luke. I've never heard that. I've truly. Really? I never heard that really. I'm proud of myself because I feel like you would have heard every Garfield related, you know, joke, every, particularly the cartoon Garfield growing up. And I liked it was a friend of mine. This was like 20 years ago. He goes, I'm in Garfield like lasagna. You know. Also, you're growing up there, Cassie, in the like height of the Gar, Jim Henson Garf. Not Jim Henson, Jim Davis Garfield, like powers. Like I was obsessed with that comic so much in that era and you're living in a city with the name. I know. And of course now I, I'm a dork and I have like Garfield T-shirts and stuff like that. Oh, I've totally leaned into it. I love it. Of it all. I love it. Sean, here is in St. James, New York, St. James, New York. Another new place to be. I don't know if I've heard of St. James. It sounds like a place when I picture St. James, New York, I picture like explorers, like French explorers in a painting and they're in a canoe and they're pointing towards something. That's what I think of when I think they're pointing towards a place that they're going to go ruin. It's kind of what I think of. I know that TBTL is a show that only looks forward and never looks back. And that's kind of what we said about 2026. So that's going to be the new thing. But I do want to go back very briefly to Clayton. Do you guys know where Loon Lake is? Is that something? Do I know where Loon Lake is? Andrew, Cassie. What is it? Good question. I'm going to, I'm, this is Loon Lake is where I learned how to make the Loon call with my hand. Take a listen. Oh gosh. Oh, he's still got it. He's still got it. Lake. My friends. That is, sorry. It's so I was just going to say Clayton is right below Loon Lake, way over the eastern part of the state, right above. I spoke in. Can, yeah. That is, that is, that is, I believe it's near on Deer Park. I think. Yes. When we were kids, and I've told this story a million times, we had these friends from the church. This woman named Marianne Coyne and her kids gave in Cassie and her family had a cabin on Loon Lake and it was like classic. Nothing fancy. It was, you know, just like this teeny tiny little, you know, at that time, 100 year old cabin that had like a screened in porch where I would sleep. I can smell it. I can smell it. A million old, like, like a bridged books and readers digest large print. It's just like just tons and tons of like fun books to read on a summer. And they had a old ski boat that was not powerful enough to get my dad out of the water and like a little dock and stuff. And what was so incredible was like they, you know, they had a big family and Cassie or excuse me, Marianne was like one member of I don't know how many siblings. So imagine this place is like a third hers or a fourth hers and the whole everyone, her brothers and everyone's coming out to the family cabin. And she's like, could I bring like nine Burbanks? And incredibly, the people said, yes, these were these were the most. I think we did it two or three times. These were the most fun summers of my entire life. And then I tried to recreate them by renting a cabin years later as an adult on Loon Lake and then a different lake in Idaho. All to try to recreate that childhood feeling of being on Loon Lake. And did it work? No, you can't go home again. I know it's so hard to redo. Can I quickly tell you about my, I had a friend who had a cabin in Northern Idaho and loved it again, some of the best summers of my childhood, but also the worst sunburn of my life. The furniture in the cabin, this may be the same. I feel it every cabin, they don't furnish it with brand new furniture. Oh, no. Weird old furniture from the seventies that like nobody wants anymore. So it had this scratchy like a pillow pad couch from the seventies that I was sleeping on with the worst sunburn of my life. That sounds horrible. Yeah, we were not, we do not come from the sunscreen generation. No. We do not come from the, we did not know what SBF was referring to in our child. At least we did. And did you in Ohio, Andrew, was anyone telling you to put, when you went to Florida in the minivan with the, with the TV and it was someone telling you to put on sunscreen? I feel like we talked about it, probably not with the same intentionality and purpose that we would in 2026. But speaking of sunburn, the thing that I think of first in my life now is that is nature reminding me that I'm a bald now. Because that was just never a thing. And as a kid, I had a big mop of hair and I always had really thick hair until I started losing it. And of course, I look at myself in the mirror and I can see this huge forehead I have and I know that I'm bald there. But I forget that the top of, you know, the back of my head, the little male pattern baldness thing on the crown. And I'll go out even just here in Seattle, you know, notoriously sunny Seattle on a summer day and work in the yard all day and then come in and take a shower and you get underneath that hot water. And that hot water is hitting your dome right away and you're like, brother, you got a SPF the head these days. Andrew, you're not bald. You are, as I saw on a t-shirt in the 80s, a solar powered sex machine. That's how you get your powers through your head. Wow, that is amazing. And I am going to get that t-shirt. That's just the kind of comedy that Lisa Pettic of Renton, Washington is paying good money for. Apologies, Lisa, but thank you. Lisa, thank you. It thanks to all of our donors. We really do appreciate you. I am very grateful. I mean this to have this as a job. I hope it didn't sound like I don't want to be doing this early. I'm really grateful to have hair. It's like, well, you should. Oh, no, I don't. I don't know how much the topic stopped. I don't know how much my hair. I've actually, you know what, Andrew, I've wondered about that on a couple of levels. One is because what happens is you put a little this powder in your hair and it kind of sticks to your hairs through static cling. It's like keratin fibers. And so it creates a little more density, but I don't know if that is an effective sunblock or not. Like I don't know if I should be doing. And then the other thing is I wonder if I jump in a swimming pool and I've got it in my hair. Is there like a black? You're going to do. Is there some little like dissipation of this stuff that like follows me? One time I stayed over at Camaro Kev and Anita's and Kevin, like the next time I saw him, he goes, Anita was wondering what that was on the walls of the shower after you took a shower. Then I was like, Oh, right, because this was right when I had started putting it in. And what I didn't realize now I'm very up to speed on this is if you have it in your hair, it stays in your hair for days and days. And then when you shower and you do the shampoo, if some of the shampoo goes on the wall of the shower, it will have the little pieces in it. So now I'm very careful. I hose down all the walls of the shower after every shower. If I still have that stuff. Two things. First of all, I think adding SPF to this hair product would be a great idea. I don't know if that's physically possible or scientifically. Here's my million dollar idea. Secondly, I'm now picturing you just taking the saddest shower. When you said that your hair product ended up on the shower walls, I was picturing you like, I don't know if you've ever seen like Igby goes down. It's a very sad scene where somebody's just like, they're just like leaning up against, just like leaning up against the shower. Yes, exactly. Yeah. And so I was just picturing you just taking the most depressed shower. For some reason, you're leaning your head against the wall and just weeping in there. No, it's less. I mean, as long as I don't look down, I generally, most of my showers have been tears free for many years. But no, it's just something I have to be mindful of. The way I really try to be careful is at a hotel because I don't want the poor housekeeping person to have to extra scrub out the shower and also to be like, what happened in here? Right. Right. Definitely. It's definitely on my radar. Hey, Cassie, congratulations on making your big move, which I didn't really know. I consider us friends, but more I consider myself an online observer of your life through Instagram. And like I would always see you kind of having adventures in the Bay Area. And then one day I saw that you were in Eastern Washington with your family, but then you were there for a long time. It was like, huh, this is stupid. Longer than a vacation. And I was like, wait, did Cassie actually move over there and you did? What's the story? I did. It's, it's funny because first of all, we are real friends, but then it's fun to follow each other on Instagram too and get like the, the cliffs notes of people's lives. So I totally get that. Oh, it's, it's funny. Okay. So this is a lesson in hubris and arrogance. That is one of my specialties really. Years, decades. I was like, I would rather, you know, jump off the Bay Bridge than ever move back to Eastern Washington. Which you can't anymore, right? Cause they've got those nets. Actually, that's the, that's the Golden Gate. Exactly. Which good, good safety. Zero people in the last half of last year took their lives on the Golden Gate Bridge because of those nets. That truly is good. Although it doesn't stop me from using that and saying, my friend and I joke and we're like, it was a big bridge bridge jump day today. You know, that's shorthand for today didn't go great. Exactly. Exactly. But I was so arrogant. I was like, I'm never gonna, I'm just so done with that. Isn't that? And then I got really burned out by the hustle and bustle of it all in the city, in the city. And I, I'm somebody who maybe it's ADHD. I don't know what it is, but I can make an enormous life decision in like a 10 minute span. You know, I try and weigh out the, the scenarios, but I had just kind of once your brain starts to, I'm the same way, Cassie, like once your brain starts to consider it as a possibility, it could be 10 minutes before now you're locked in. Absolutely. I had a really bummer week or I had like a super bummer day at work in the Bay Area. And I was like, you know what, what am I doing here? What am I doing here? I'm done within an hour of like that day ending and me being at home. I had gone on Amazon and got like a bunch of moving boxes and bags and like things to wrap my belongings stuff. I was like, yeah, I'm out of here. You know, I was like calling my, you know, like the, the like 401k office and I was like, how does that work if I leave? Like, how do I port this over to my other job or whatever? Right. How do I liquefy this? How do I? Yeah, really? That's a call I've made actually a couple of times. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But I was just like, yeah, I'm going to kind of blow this up. You know, how does that work? Now, now why did you decide to go back to the part of Washington state, roughly speaking, that you grew up in as opposed to somewhere where you didn't know anyone but where like, say the cost of living was lower and the pace of life was a little slower? Why did you decide to go back to where you're from? A few reasons. One, I came to visit this last summer and I had such a good wholesome time hanging out with my little nephews who were like 10 years old, 12. I'm heavily invested in the one that's a basketball player now. So cute. I'm actually going to. I'd like you to FaceTime from those games, please. I can watch them. There's nothing I want more than to be invested in a nine year old or whatever 11 year old basketball life. Talk about reliving your youth. Hello. You were a baller. I know this. And this weekend we're actually going to his get this basketball jamboree. Nice. Love it. Oh my God. So there was that. And then, but I had a reluctance originally because I was like, people there can be such like jerks, you know, I grew up with people think, oh, small town. Everybody's probably so warm. And I'm like, actually, they can be like hyper judgmental. You know, and they can be really close minded, you know, sure. But then you guys are okay. You guys are hopefully going to like this. I had a moment where I was like, guess what, man? Cassie, you're the adult now. Like you can set the tone of the community. You can direct some of that. You can get in and like you have full autonomy. Right. To bring it back to another grim subject. Some of those people who were like that are probably long dead. And I'm like, this doesn't have to be the town or the area that was the town or the area that you grew up in. It could it could it could change and evolve and you could be part of that maybe. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm like, let's yeah, let's let's try that. How psyched was your mom? Oh, God, your mom is really the breakout star of your of your Instagram account. She is. I can tell you. Yeah. She is one of the weirder people on earth. She and Susie, I feel would really vibe. Like she has my mom and your mom, they like they kind of look similar. Their energy seems really similar. Very similar, Luke. Like when you show me some of the like snacks that like your mom will bring over and stuff. Or oh my God, the one where this was on your Instagram, your mom in one of her like antique nightgowns. Yeah. No, that's not a nightgown. That was a dress she was wearing. Love that blue thing. I. Yes. Yes. That was an outside dress that she picked up somewhere. OK, love it. Love it. I feel like that is like my mom 100 percent as well. Like our moms could be sisters and it is wonderful. I love a good like heart of gold. But weirdo like quirky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cassie, I have one question for you before we get deeper into the story is are you moving back to literally the same community you grew up in nearby? Or what are we talking here? So I was living with my at my parents house for like a month and I was like, I'm really going to dig into living at Garfield. You know, then I was hashtag losing it. So you dug down too deep and then water started filling the hole and then you said. I was like, I got to go down here. So now I'm at an Airbnb like close by until I close on my house in Colfax, which is like 20 minutes away. Nice. Congrats. That is so awesome. I've now fully stocked on. I've fully stocked your house. I Google. I walked around the neighborhood. I checked out a little. That little courthouse is so stinking cute. I mean, I hope you never end up in there like in trouble. But like I was like, I was like, yeah, no, congratulations, Cass, on your new house. That looks so I mean, new old house. It's a cool, like total classic. When was it built? 1917. Nice. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. Cool. For you guys, I'm like dreaming in colors of paint and tile and like, you know, I want to be honored the history, but you know how it is. You guys know how it is when you get into a project, it is all consuming. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I'm like, oh, wait, let me remember to look at these linen curtains that, you know, that just I'm obsessed. It's like your that place looks so unbelievably cool. And what a fun project to like, there's like, just seems like the kind I can imagine you putting your putting your touch on it. And you were saying to us in text message that like, that's one of the things also that you're able to do in moving to where you moved versus living in the Bay Area. I was like, I was like looking, it's not the Bay, but I was looking at like this. I always read that New York Times column that's like, they had $900,000 and we're looking for a place in fill in the blank. And the other day it was like, this was like more Southern Cal, but it was like, they had $900,000 to spend in Rancho Cucamonga. And again, peace and love to our friends in Rancho Cucamonga. But like, I went through the whole thing of these three different homes they looked at and I was just, and they weren't all in Rancho. They were in these different areas near there. And it was absolutely brutal. What $900,000 would get you. It's like, it was, you know, so I mean, that's an issue in California, obviously, but like, it sounds like this is something also that you're able to do from relocating. And I never in my wildest dreams thought that I love home stuff. I love this kind of. Yeah, because your apartment in like Oakland was, I would just see pictures of in the background. You had those amazing windows and stuff like I sense that you're a person for whom your home environment is like a really big deal to you. Kind of like I am. Exactly, Luke. I've related so hard to you and you're talking about how, you know, when you have guests over and you get kind of obsessive over, like the, just the exact optics of how it's going to look. Yeah. For people. I'm just like that. Like I was like screaming at TBTL when you guys were talking about what kind of cup you should have in your bathroom for your like toothbrush rinsy. You go with. See, I was feeling like a cool ceramic, like a thick ceramic that's not totally breakable. Yes, that's what I have now, by the way, in the up. Oh, that is what you have. I could go get it. I think you would like it. It's kind of earth tones. It's a little bit of like, it's almost like it's somewhere between Fiestaware and an earth tone kind of gray, kind of beige-ish, but it's thick, but it's ceramic. So. But then you guys had a really good idea. I think Andrew had a good suggestion about like kind of a nice thicker plastic so it's not breakable. I don't know what you. Let me ask you this, both of you guys about, and I, how do you feel, or do you have a little cloth coaster or anything? Or how do you feel about setting the ceramic down on the sink? Oh, and ceramic. Does that give you an OK feeling? You take the, you take your pill or you sip of water, then you're setting ceramic down on a sink. How does that feel? I know, I know exactly what you're saying. And there is kind of a yucky, grindy feel on that. Or a clink. I'm just asking. In my little upstairs bathroom, you put it actually on a little shelf that me and my dad built that goes next. Because it's such a small bathroom. It's a wooden shelf. OK, nice. It's such a small bathroom that the sink doesn't even have enough surface area really. OK, that's good. Yeah, that was our fix. Contrasting textures. I love like wood with ceramic, that kind of thing. Ooh, you guys. But here's the thing, Cass. You, when you were talking about your Idaho cabin experience, it was reminding me of what I'm calling for my own purposes. The Loon Lake principle. And this goes to like the idea of when you're having people over. Because yeah, I fall into this real trap of like thinking it's only going to be fun for people if I can create some sort of like total five star experience. Where like the like, for instance, that bathroom I'm talking about, it's now that next to that little tumbler or whatever you call it is another cup thing that has like a bunch of single use toothbrushes that are individually wrapped. Because I feel like when people come over and if they're staying over, they and they forget their tooth. They'll feel good if there's a replacement toothbrush for them, blah, blah, blah. And like when I have my family over, I'm like everything has to be so perfect. And then I remember what was the most fun I ever had in my life? Loon Lake. Oh, despite your sunburn, probably the most fun you ever had was sleeping on that shitty couch. I mean, that's what is like makes these kind of moments with friends and family and stuff like important is the friends and family. And like, you know what I mean? Like I have this weird obsession with wanting it to be so impressive to people. That that is building the experience. But that's not what anyone that Loon Lake cabin was so unimpressive. So like if I've got people crashed out on the couch in my house or if there's not enough, if there's a line for the bathroom or whatever. Yeah, that's OK. Like the like, for instance, I have my whole family over for a Christmas thing. And then we were watching the football game and I realized I do not have like enough seating for like 13 people in really my house anywhere. And so we're like getting folding chairs out and people are fine. And like it's like it was a totally improvised event, but it was so fun. And that was OK. Like so I'm trying to lean into that and remember that to kind of lower my anxiety because I'm imagining you're going to start having some get together is once your place is all dialed in. Yes, absolutely. And I've done that at other homes where I'm like, oh, I'm going to have people over this and that. And I'm running around literally sweating, enjoying. I'm trying to enjoy the moment, but I'm really not entirely because I'm trying exactly to do that five star experience. And Luke, it reminds me of some of the best times similar to your Loone Lake principle. Best times on earth have been around one of those like plastic lawn tables with the kind of, you know, those plasticky chairs that like leg always one of the legs break. In fact, there was a trend for a while of like if your friends were sitting in one of those, you would just walk up and kick out a leg and it would just shatter. Right. Yeah. Yeah, because the sun had made the plastic so brittle. Yeah. And somebody was always going to hit the skids at some point, probably loaded. But yeah, those are the best times ever. Absolutely. Like, yeah, the fun. I just watched this Errol Morris documentary called Vernon, Florida, which is totally insane. It's from 1981. Errol Morris was like his plan was to go to this town because Vernon, Florida had an unusually high number of insurance claims from people who had lost a limb. So he wanted to figure out what was going on. But when he got down there, no one would have talked to him about losing limbs. So they just, he just started interviewing everyone in this town and it is a real backwater and the people there are real, real, let's just say, rural. Rural. Yeah. Yeah. And like, and it would just be like a guy who just has one of, I mean, not even a chair like that, Cassie, but like something equivalent. And it's just in his yard and he just goes and he just sits in his yard and he's got a possum in a cage and he just goes and he stares at the possum. And that could be a whole afternoon. And this guy seemed to be much happier than I am. Yes. This guy that's staring at his possum. He's got the Loon Lake, Loon Lake principle dialed in. Dude, he is living La Vita Loon Lake. Now, what about house burping though? Are you going to do your proper house burping, Cassie? And do you even know what I'm talking about? I have zero idea, but tell me, tell me. This is great. This is on the subject of the home environment. This is something, Andrew, that you referred to, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago about how when it's really cold and you've got everything all. Kind of like super, you know, windows closed and doors closed at the home because it's too cold outside. But then like there's not enough ventilation, there's not enough natural air moving through. And I said something about, yeah, like the Germans really like to do that like at night, like open a window and the room is cold, but they're under a feather thing. Well, I didn't realize the Washington Post was putting out an entire article about this from a guy named Aaron Weiner, who's actually their Berlin correspondent. House burping is a cold reality in Germany. Americans are warming to it. And I didn't realize this. It's not just like at night when the Germans like to open the window and let a little fresh air in. They have this whole practice of throughout the day. This is this guy Aaron writing, after moving to Berlin from Honolulu, Wyatt Gordon was surprised when his new German roommate marched into his bedroom at 8 a.m. and threw open the windows. It turns out that his cohabitant, Laura, maintained a strict ventilation regime three times a day at precise times. All the windows in the apartment needed to be opened. It didn't matter whether it was the dead of winter or a weekend morning, or if Gordon had company rules were the rules. Quote, I had men and women in my bed that I'd brought home from the club or wherever, said Gordon now 35, a city planner originally from Richmond. As is common on Berlin weekends, they would crawl into bed around dawn, only to be woken up an hour later by a blast of ice cold air. How do you explain to the person lying in bed next to you that this is what the German culture demands of us? It's called Lüften, and it means airing out or ventilation. And it is apparently like according to this article, it is written in stone for these German families. They don't even have to teach their kids because the kids have been raised with it. So I don't do this with such intentionality as they do, and I've never heard that term before, but I do sort of do this. Like, winters don't get as cold here, obviously, in Seattle as they do in other places. And so I want to be, you know, I want to recognize that I was talking to my stepmom the other day, who is like, by the way, wonderful woman, but you wouldn't describe her as a hearty soul at all. She's not a hearty person. But she lives in the Cleveland area, and she's like, well, I don't know, I've just been cold lately. I mean, it's 19. I know 19 degrees is not something to be complaining about. And I'm just kind of like, it's like 36 here right now, and I'm shivering and I'm wondering will I survive getting into the door of my house? And people in Ohio are like, well, I know 19 isn't really cold. But all of that is to say here, where I do think that it gets very cold, especially at night and in the mornings, almost every morning, I come into my little basement studio and I do open up my window a little bit and I let bingo sniff the air. I think it's important for bingo, the cat, to be able to sniff the cold air. And if there's like the other day, Genevieve, I was taking a little nap, a late afternoon nap, and I woke up and Genevieve was going out to some sort of dinner party thing and she was bringing fried tofu. And I don't know if you're familiar with other people's food smells, but like there's something very different about you're making a meal and you've made the house smelling the food to like waking up to the smell of somebody else's fried tofu. As soon as Genevieve left the house, I house burped. I opened up every window. I luffed in. Actually, I know you know what you did, Andrew. You actually, let me see, let me get the exact terminology. There's a few different ways to do this. There's a specific word for when you open a different, oh, it's called a queer luffin, which is cross ventilating. You open windows on opposite ends of a home so as to move the air. I did that. I turned on the ceiling fan and I opened up like our front door and I dropped the storm window down and then I went to our bedroom, which is like on the opposite. And I opened up that and I tried to create as much ventilation as possible. It's cold for a little bit, but then you close it back up, you heat the house back up and I think it's worth it. Cassie, it's very cold there in the eastern part of Washington state where you are. Would you consider any amount of luffin, any amount of house burping in your new place? I'm loving, loving that the I'm loving this. And so I do a multi times a day unintentional luffin as well because you guys know I have two dogs. Yes. And so sometimes they'll toughy the smallest one who's like maybe three pounds will be a complete diva about going out. She'll like tease and want out, but then she'll not quite go out. So like, I'll keep the door open for like a minute and a half straight and be like, leave. But it's funny because I love having dogs because you can just make up. I this is my my recent thing that I do when I let the dogs out. You can make a nonsense. You're the one that did it. Wait, what? We've been wondering for years who let the dogs out in it. Finally getting some clarity. This is the view of that song. Here's my mom likes to sing that song, but she does it so poorly. She does it like this. Who let the dogs out? Oh my God. She is one. We need to run at like a 23 and me on your mom and my mom. They might have been they might be related. They might have been separated. I know. I'm like, mom, you're doing such a poor job, but it's horrible. So I'm into it. But so whenever I let the dogs out now, I just sorry. Now I've ruined it. I'm sorry. Oh my God. I I'm I'm like, don't forget your hamburger money. I like. I pretend that they're going on a little mission to buy themselves hamburgers. And so I'll let the I'll do the Lufton. Yes, I'll let them out. It takes them a little while to decide if they want in or out this and that. But the house is getting nice and aired out. And then I'm like, don't forget your hamburger money. Bye. My problem is that my house, I still haven't figured out how to actually heat and cool it properly, because what I should have done probably when I when I did all this crazy renovations, I should have just sucked it up and put in like a straight up normal heating system, like we all kind of maybe grew up with where you turn the thermostat and air comes through the floor or something. I was sold this bill of goods about these mini split technologies. And so sometimes I'm like, if I can't lufth, I can't lufth right now, because if I do, it'll take me three hours to get the house back to like a comfortable temperature, like it could be an all day project. Cassie, in your new place, do you have like, are you going to have a fenced area or whatever? Like you can just let them go out in the yard and not have to be stressed about their whereabouts. God, that's another thing. But I love Oakland, but I don't miss about Oakland is I'd have my head on a swivel whenever I took the dogs out. And now whenever I took the dogs out, but now I can just like, oh, yeah, there's a little fence. I'm going to put in another like larger fenced area and just open the door and so fun. Enjoy your hamburgers, guys. So I have a bunch of questions for you because you and I both grew up in very different parts of the country, but very small towns, right? Mine Valley City, Ohio, which comes up on the show from time to time. And as you were alluding to earlier, by the time you had some autonomy, you were like your your bag was packed. You had a trunk and you waited for a taxi to pick you up and you threw it in the back and you and you raced to the city. And you married Tyler Mord your hat off the second you got to Capitol Hill, Seattle. I had one of those little sticks with the handkerchief on the back. Right, right. And so anyway, I was similar. It took me longer to get to a city because I lived in New Hampshire for a long time. And I was the, you know, I'm glad I did. And it was near Boston, but I was living in New Hampshire and all I wanted to do was live in Boston. Finally, in my 30s, moved out to Seattle and have not lived in a rural place since and simply cannot imagine going back. I mean, I fantasize about it sometimes when Geno even are driving through some country area with long winding roads, but I fantasize that I'm rich and I could buy a second house or something out there. It would be really hard. Like I want to ask this question gently, not to get in your head, but do you have anxieties about not being able to go to the AM PM to grab a soda in the middle of the night or any of these weird scenarios I come up with? Well, you have not Google Street stocked Cassie's place because she's right there in the heart of Colfax. Are you? Is there a place you can go get your soda in the middle of the night as if you'd want to? There is a grocery store and I have to look up the hours, but I will say my hometown Garfield. You guys know, here's what we have. We have a tavern because the tavern don't quit and we have a butcher. So those are the two businesses in my hometown. Wow. You can't even get, you know, a whatever, a coke in the middle of the night or whatever. But Colfax, my new place. Yeah. I think I think it's going to be a little more, a little more jumping off. Nice. Hopping on. I know, I know. I actually am probably, I may be more, I may be more sort of like remote from those services maybe than Cassie is here at the Madrona Hill Studio. I've got this like, I mean, it's walking distance in the sense that like anything is walking distance. I mean, you know, Los Angeles is walking distance. If you walk long enough from my house, but there's this, that weird, weird market that like just has like random Dale Earnhardt lampshades and then like Velveeta cheese and then like no half and half. Like they have none of the things. And one skateboard for sale. Am I remembering this? One skateboard. Yes. Yes. They have a skateboard. I love this store so well. They're the strangest little places. And I feel like, man, I, I want to just like come in and like, I want to like go bar rescue on it. I want to be like, here, here's why people come to you. We, we ran out of milk. We ran out of butter. Like you are here because we don't want to go into town. So you need to have the thing that we ran out of. And we didn't run out of Dale Earnhardt lampshade. We have plenty at home. Yeah. Well, exactly. Look like they won't have eggs. Right. They have those triangular party hats. Yes. They're, they're trying to literally the one near me is still trying to sell a lake. How do I put this? It's like a, not a vending machine, but it's a, it's a heated cupboard that you would have hot dogs in. Like at some, at one time they were trying to sell hot dogs and no one was buying hot dogs. So now they're trying to sell the thing that the hot dogs, they've cleaned it and it's sitting there. So you could buy the thing that they were trying to sell hot dogs from for what your market, maybe you have more hot dog traffic than they did, but like it's that kind of place. It's been a whole time I've lived here. They've been trying to sell a hot dog case that was clearly purchased when they were trying to sell hot dogs. And it doesn't cook hot dogs. It just keeps them warm for your customer. Yes. I think it's a, I haven't, I'll be honest with you. I've been eyeing the Dale Earnhardt lampshades more than the hot dog machine. So I don't know if it also cooks them, but it's, it's just like it's that kind of a place. Although I will say this, though, there's a gal who works there, who is 94 years old and she is an absolute firecracker. I love her so much. She is the like grandmother of the owner of the store. And, um, and the owner of the store has a night job stalking the shelves at the Safeway in town, um, because wages are too high in this country. Um, so he's got this little corner store, but then he also has a real job. And so she covers for him when he's like, I guess sleeping after his shift. And she and I had the longest conversation about Little House on the prairie recently because it was, it's also one of those places that has a TV. That just has an over the air antenna. And it's just always playing, you know, whatever's on me TV. Is it a two TV? Is it a tube? Tube TV, my friend. A freaking tube TV. And she and I, and then I said something about a particular episode of Little House and she corrected me and she was right. And then she told me, she was like, I live down in town. I just moved to these apartments and I love it so much. And she was showing me the view from her balcony is the field of the local community college. And she said, I just sat on my balcony the other day and I watched the guy paint the lines on the soccer field. And she goes, you know how they do that? And I go out on that. She goes, they got a robot. They have, there's some kind of Roomba that paints the lines on these sports fields now so that it can be exact. And she, you want to talk about the Loon Lake principle. This lady had wild away an entire afternoon watching the robot paint the lines on the lower Columbia college field. Mega dialed in. I know. I was like, I got, I'll have what she's having. I was going to say, I could totally at peace. It seems, it seems wonderful to me, but it also seems very much like there's nothing you like to fantasize about, but just like looking, just looking out your window at things. Well, I will say, and I'm very fortunate here that the whole premise of this little place that I got is that it's, that's got some good looking territory. Some, some good territory for looking. And like, I thought Andrew that I was going to miss, uh, urban America more, uh, than I have. If my girlfriend didn't live in urban America, I could go longer stretches than I expected out here. Now granted, I'm very fortunate that I've made this home environment very comfortable. We can get Amazon deliveries. Like it's, I'm not totally cut off, but it's like, I, this, this agrees with me more than I expected. I think I, uh, I think I'm just different, you know, and I built different. I'm just built. I'm just built different. I don't like to say this, but I'm saying it to you guys because I trust you, but I'm built Ford tough. Uh, no, I'm not built for tough. I'm built like it's just so weak and soft. And so I feel like I need the, I just, I remember feeling like living in Wallingford was too rural for me. Like I'm not even joking. I told me is like Wallingford was a much nicer kind of neighborhood than what we live in now, but it was so residential that I had to walk, you know, I think about a mile to get to the grocery store. And I did it plenty, but I just, uh, no, no, just the QFC that used to be a big walling for the QFC. Yeah. I'm 45th. I used to live in Wallingford too. Yeah. That was my. That, did you live there? And that would remember that was the Piggly Wiggly Cassie or not the Piggly Wiggly. It was a, had a different crazy name that that grocer that became the QFC. But I did in Wallingford. Are you guys familiar with the Dern Good Grocer? Oh, I have a hat. That's, I said, I was wrong. I was trying to call, I was referring to that one that Andrew's got a hat from. You have a hat from the Dern. Yes. So that they, they claim or some folks claim, and I don't even think the people who own it now claim this, but I have read that that Dern Good Grocery, which is on the corner of, I believe, stone and 40th, I want to say, or maybe, yeah, close, close to there. It's like a small, like what I would grow up, I would call it a quickie mart or something like that. But it's always been family run by various families over the years. And some say, some say that it's literally the oldest grocery store, if you call it that, in Seattle. I don't know how that could possibly be true, but people have said that. And what I like about it is they don't make a big deal about themselves. Like there's some sort of a landmark or anything, but they would sell the family that owns it now. They sell like little things that say Dern Good Grocery and is Dern with a U. And I bought myself a cute little green trucker hat with like white mesh on the back and green in front. I love that hat. That was my place for like, oh gosh, three years. Yes. I'd say. I was there practically every day. They've got beautiful T-shirts as well, Andrew. They've got merch. Oh, you get, they have it online now? I'm on their website. I don't know if you can buy it online, but I'm on their website looking at, or I'm on their Yelp page, I guess. And yeah, it's got somebody wearing like a Dern Good T-shirt that's got the same logo that's on your hat. Nice. I'm looking to see if I'm just totally talking out my keyster about this being the longest running grocery store in Seattle, but maybe we'll just back that. Cassie, did you land a new job, by the way, in the eastern part of Washington state too? I landed a new job too. Highly employable. I wasn't sure how long I was going to have my little mini sabbatical, you know, because I was like, rarely do I have get to get like a breather. I was like, I should really take advantage of this. But then I was, you know, I was like at my folks house and I didn't have a job and I was kind of starting to freak out. I was like, yeah, like there's only so much like romping around in my bathrobe that I can do before I start, I was starting to feel kind of bummed. Like, just weird. So I got a new job. I got a new job. And I, I like the people a lot. And I'm actually, I'm just like so pumped that I, that I like it's actually working out here. I can't. And how long has it been? How long has it been? Like two and a half months, but it feels like it's 77 years. That's great though. I mean, you're saying that because a lot has changed or because the pace of life actually feels like the day goes a little longer than it did when you were in the bay. I think actually good question. I think both honestly, so much has happened, but also like things do, there's definitely a slower pace here in my ADHD is like sometimes like cranked up. And I'm like, things are so slow. Everything's a little more relaxed. And I'm just like, let's go. I'm losing it. But, um, like I, I've noticed recently, this is my thing where I'll take like long drives on the back roads and stuff like that. And I started listening to like relaxing classical music. And I was, I was telling like laughing to myself, I was like, this is the kind of thing where this music sounds like if you were to walk into a high end custom framing shop ran by an elderly lady, that's the kind of music I'm into these days. Yes. Sedate, calm. Melos, quartet radio is what I would recommend. It's literally M L O S Melos, quartet radio. It is exactly that. It would be, it's just like classical music, but nothing too edgy. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Luke, nothing too edgy like nothing from Bartok, nothing that's sort of, you know, kind of jarring. It's like it's, it's very chill classical music. I just wrote this down and I need that because just yesterday the piano, the pianist was, it was getting a little wild. And I actually, this is the state of life. I'm in, I turned it down. I was like, this is getting out of control. Yeah. Meanwhile, you know, it's like I used to run the streets of San Francisco like a fanfare, like what's going on? So I'm not trying to rush us out the door, but I want to make sure I get your guys's input on something here. I've been playing around. I've been playing around with show titles. So originally I'd written down the Loon Lake principle. I think that's kind of just a nice name for the show and where it was some, but then Luke brought up the word Luften. And then I started playing around. I got heavy Luften. I have Lufte with your legs. Or I have lived, Lufte love. Which one do we, what do we want to go for a live laugh love joke? Yeah. I like maybe that one. I think we'll go with live Lufte love. All right. Yeah. I think it also that if I might click on that, if I was scroll, if I was running around the internet and I saw that I might click on that. All right, we'll go with that. Whereas Lufte with your legs might sound like it's a workout podcast. It is. It's a German workout podcast, but you know what? It doesn't smell sweaty in there. It always smells nice and fresh and breezy. That's right. Three times a day. Open in those windows. That's right. Well, Cassie, I'm like, I'm so excited for you. I'm so intrigued. Uh, it's fun to get to follow your adventures. I'm really, really stoked for you about this house project. Maybe we can get some updates because Andrew is a little coy about his, uh, he's going to embark on a project at his house, which I tried to engage him on that recently and he just kind of said, I don't even know. No, we'll talk about it. I'm just very different from you guys. Like projects like this, when you talk about like waking up in the middle of the night and being like, Oh, I need to check out those, those curtains or whatever. Like I'm somebody who really I appreciate and enjoy a nice space, I think. But I'm, I don't have the drive to create it myself. I'm just like deeply lazy and I don't have whatever that energy is. I want somebody else to create that for me. So I'm kind of entering my very first big home Renault project, which is relatively minor, um, by some people's standards, but like we've hired somebody and who's helping us design this area of our basement. And there are decisions to be made about like, what are we going to be putting in? We're going to be putting in like a, uh, a plot, what he's calling an appliance garage. And there's all these decisions that I got to make that you guys would be loving making these things right now. And I'm just keep on staring at this contract being like, yeah, I guess I got to open up and read that at some point and sign it. Like I get more overwhelmed by it. I just want it to be done. I don't like the, I don't like the project side of things. I got it. We should all collaborate truly. Let's keep, keep talking at some point because I could talk about like the most minor stuff like this. We'll push you in the right direction. And I could talk like tile for an hour and a half straight. I've got thoughts. Nice. I got a lot of thoughts. And I got a genitive too. So that helps. Yeah. I'll put you guys all in touch. I'll be up back. Is there some pretty decent thrifting over there because, because it's not picked over like in a major American city. It is cuckoo. Okay. A few, a few things. First of all, yes, there is. And it's my antiquing and thrifting is my favorite thing in the world. But my new hometown, Colfax, has the best thrift store on earth, which is called thrifty granny. Oh no, thrifty grandmothers. We just call it the granny shop for decades. We're going to go to the granny shop. Every, okay. So first of all, everything there is like 25 cents, 10 cents, 50 cents, a dollar. Um, and it's ran by grandmothers who work there, volunteer their time to work there. And then all the proceeds go towards the community and like little scholarships and things like that. It's the sweetest thing. Thrifty grannies. I'm looking at it. Yeah, me too. This is great. I do that. I say I don't like shopping and I really don't. I don't like purposeful shopping. Like we need this thing. Let's go out and find this thing. But I love just mindlessly wandering through stores. What do they sell at Fox? Oh yeah, Fox, one of my favorite places in the world. Huh? There's, I'm just walking down the streets of Colfax, Washington. There's a, when I was growing up, we had Vern Fonk insurance in the Seattle area. Yes, I know. But this is, but this place, just a place that just says Fonks. F-O-N-K-S. Fox used to be this absurd store. Okay, Luke, you know how you were talking about the corner store, right? They just sell the Dan or Dale Earnhardt. This is that type of place. It used to sell like weird, like strange, like dollar store plastic toys for kids that were like bleach from the sun. Also, like just like, you know, dried up ink pens. And it was just the strangest place, but we loved Fonks. Uh-huh. But now they turned it into like a really cool coffee shop. Yeah. I mean, Fonks. And I have a Fonks hat. I should send you guys a Fonks hat. Oh, we'll go on the, we'll go on the website. We'll support Fonks. We'll buy some merch from them. We'll buy some Fonks. This is giving me, as I wander around Colfax, it actually seems like a much more robust version of Friendship Wisconsin. Yeah. Maybe that's every Main Street USA of a relatively small place. You know what I mean? You're always going to have your, you're going to have the place that used to be the JC pennies, you know, and like the kind of like, there's a certain Main Street feel. I mean, I'm literally on Main Street, but no, this is, that you're walking around in there. It's like so cool to think of. Yeah. It makes me so happy. Did you ever spend any time in Chawila is the real, it's the important question. Oh, there's a casino. Right. That's what I used to go to when I, so I had my whole, I'm going to go stay in Eastern Washington at this lake for a month and get back in touch with my child. And what I ended up doing was driving to the casino in Chawila most days. So, you know, I can see that I can see decisions all around for. I'm laughing because actually my dad used to, he, for some reason, he pronounced casino, casino. Uh-huh. Sure. You know, people like that. Oh yeah. Absolutely. He would anytime the commercial come on and be like, Chawila casino. Just weirdos, you know, oh my gosh. Well, I'm so excited to follow all your adventures, Cassie. And thanks for spending your lunch break at your new job jumping on TBTL. This was absolutely so fun. You guys are the best, you know, I love that. And the nice thing is you have so much more time to listen to TBTL as you drive around the highways and highways of Eastern Washington, South. Yeah, let them know. Let them know. Let Colfax know about. Yeah, please. We're, that's a, we see that as a growing edge for us. If we could get more people in Colfax, right now we have one listener in Colfax. And Tuffy by accident. What's the other dog's name? Dagmar. Dagmar and Tuffy. Two solid dog names. So all right. Thanks, Cass. We appreciate you. Thanks to everybody for listening. We're going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for all of you. So if you can please join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Everybody take care of yourselves. And please remember no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. Power out.