From Celebrity Agent to Recovery: Darren Prince’s Untold Story with Sean Callagy

Hulk Hogan, a Magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Pamela Anderson, David Goggins. Chevy Chase. The list goes on and on. And if this man that was classified in special education in the great state of New Jersey, if he could do it, why can't you? I felt like Superman. I was on top of the world. I felt just as smart, just as popular, just as good looking. I never had this feeling before in my life. And I found that I was taking a look with Demerall. I was going to sleep with him. 14 years old. So 14 years old, you become a successful entrepreneur. By 19, Darren Prince sells his first business for $1 million. How'd you do that? My dad sat me down. He said words that changed my life forever and gave me belief. But I've noticed something with European with numbers. That's mesmerizing that not going to happen. And we're going to tap into that so you can be able to success. Muhammad starts doing the legendary font. Dad does a good fight in the bottom lip. And he looks at Joe at the other end. He goes, Garola. But then Joe was like smiling at that smirk. And that's when he just dropped it. And he hit him with, man, we just made it out back there. Am I going to have to kick your ass again for a fourth fight? And Muhammad literally starts spitting his food at it. He was laughing so hard. I think Hulk was the one that humbled me. I was down in Clearwater Beach. And he looks at me. He puts sand on my shoulder. Good brother. These people still treat me like I'm heavily a champ for the world and that's a blessing. I think authenticity and vulnerability is truly a superpower. You know, I'm always talking about getting to the top, but never being fulfilled. And you and I got to the top. But we know how to be fulfilled. We know it's not always about being at the top. It's about getting others there. Hey, Sean Calgy here with the Unblinded podcast, where we help you see what you may not see about exponentially growing your money, time, your magic, with heart and integrity. And we have a miraculous master in the building today. And take Nicole Malo, who's here? Imagine a world where legends are built under the brightest light and then imagine the rarer figure, the one those legends trust when the lights go out. A kid from New Jersey didn't just dream of greatness. He earned his way into the inner circles of icons, Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, Hulk Hogan. But here this clearly, he wasn't there as a fan. He became the man they relied on, the man they trusted, the man who stood beside greatness as part of what sustained it. Because while the world saw champions, they saw Darren Prince. And that distinction is everything. Over $500 million deals. Decade representing some of the most iconic figures on the planet and even invited to the White House to help shape the conversation around the opioid crisis. Because access like that isn't given. It's earned through character, through trust, through becoming the kind of man, legend, truth to keep close. And like every true icon, his path wasn't easy. He faced adversity and he rose. Today, he is more than one of the most respected agents in the world. He is a leader in recovery, a voice of truth, an author, and a force for good. Because true greatness isn't who you stand next to. It's who you become and how many lives are better because of it. But welcome to the Sean Callaghan Blinded Podcast, a man trusted by icon, respected as their peer, the one, the only, Darren Prince. Let's hear for Darren Prince, ladies and gentlemen. My brother. How do you think? Do you know that guy? That guy, Darren Prince, that we're talking about? Like how does that feel to be that person? And we have so much to cover today. I just want to give you a couple of headlines. Like the power of identity and fame, recovery, why people make choices they do to feel better. For you, value everywhere today with an icon, working with icons. But my brother, how does that feel to have that be you? I mean, I'm always thinking I should be speaking probably, you know, 18, 19 years before I got sober, would have really been a great ego boost. But the more she kept talking, it's just my gratitude towards God and the fact that, you know, humbled me for the right reasons because, you know, I'm always talking about getting to the top, but never being fulfilled. That there's a lot of people out there that live in that frequency. And you and I got to the top, but we know how to be fulfilled. We know it's not always about being at the top. It's about getting others there, taking others to the journey of life to be the best that. Amen, my brother. I had to pay it forward. Amen, my brother. And for everybody, this is the first time you're listening. Like, oh, like why, like a hypey intro. It's not a hypey intro. It's the truth because, and this is good, like the perfect context for Darren Prince today to appreciate and understand this. The things, the wisdom, the advice that some people gave you, maybe your grandmother, grandfather, maybe your mother, father, maybe it's your child, your brother, sister, aunt, uncle, it doesn't land the same way as when it comes from people who've achieved things that feel impossible or at least aspirational for you. So these introductions are so you can understand what these people have done, but if Darren Prince stands for anything, I love your comments on this, it is the distinction of humility and not false modesty. He promotes some of the most impactful humans in the world and he's one of those people himself and also he's a humble man, but the humility doesn't change the fact that he knows who Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Hulk Hogan, David Goggins, Magic Johnson, he understands and appreciates the doors, their identity and accomplishments open. So more to come on that topic for today, but you're such a humble man and you've been through a ton of your life, like what does humility mean to you and why do you believe it's so essentially foundation? Before we get to fame and impact and identity, let's talk about humility and what does it mean to you, Darren? I mean, for me, I think it's everything. I think when I fell on my knees on July 2nd, 2008, screamed out to God to take the notoriety to the business, the money, that all I needed was a single day of freedom and if he takes me out of my own personal health for my opioid addiction, that I would go back into hell one day at a time and take others out and I think there was just a shift in me and that very moment where the ego was crushed because I think ego comes from a place of unresolved trauma and a lot of us, I think ego comes from a place of insecurity. I think ego comes from a place of instant validation for some unresolved wounds that we all have or all healing our own life and I think once you can get into a place of humility, you're most bulletproof of being immune to getting wrapped into that. Look at me, look at what I've accomplished. It's not about that. Well, so my brother, let's take it from the beginning quickly. So 14 years old, you become a successful entrepreneur. By 19, Darren Prince sells his first business for $1 million. Kid from New Jersey and we're talking 19 late 80s. Is that tracking? Late 80s, $1 million then is a lot more than $1 million today and it's still being incredible accomplishment today. But how, and we're gonna put this to the prism of the unblinded formula in a minute, but in Darren, your words, how'd you do that? Of course, hard work, of course, caring about people being good to people, but you had to have some how-to strategy involved and from your heart, how'd you do that? I mean, my father was incredibly impactful on my life back then and I had a moment with an intuitive business teacher where giving a little bit more about my back story. You know, I seen small classrooms growing up, special ed and had a lot of anxiety and most of my friends were in the bigger classrooms. So when I got home after school, showing during the day, it wasn't about homework, it was about immersing myself into the little baseball courts. That was almost like my therapy. And I studied all the players, knew all the stats and after this intuitive business teacher challenged us to go home and create a business, I had one in my mind, I just never executed it. Everything was in true boxes with prices and what they were worth. And my father challenged me and said, well, who's gonna buy these things? And I had a newspaper at an less-distance review which still exists in Livingston. A better car show was happening two weeks. Oddly enough, Steven Simon runs Prince Marken Group with me and he's here with us, he had no intention to attend. We decided to split a table for $10 each. And I went in as if, with that troncale game I said, as if I was training for the Olympics. He just wanted to come along and have fun. So I spent two weeks every single day and made over $1,000 on that Sunday afternoon and that was it, the life of one of my dad's head. My dad sat me down, he said words that changed my life forever and gave me belief. He's like, I understand your friends most of them think this way, their brains work this way. But I've noticed something with your blame with numbers. That's mesmerizing that none of them have. And we're gonna tap into that to become a success. All right, so your dad had an enormous impact. He would later suggest that you write Aming High when it's all becomes clear. We'll get to that in a little bit. So Darren though, teachers, special ed classes, how was that educational model? Were there people putting limitations on you? Did you feel limited in the traditional educational model? Or did you have great support systems from the teachers around you? Like what was that like in that educational model before you had this breakout entrepreneurial success? I had that one teacher that intruded business future, Elliot Lovick, to this day as a dear friend. In fact, when my mother passed away in November of 24 and you and your team came to her funeral, the teacher was at the funeral. He was sitting right behind you. I remember specifically looking at when they did the eulogy. And that's how much he impacted my life. And tells me every time they see each other that there was a point where late teens, you wanted to become an agent. And I said, somebody has to do it. And I said, no, I'm not smart enough. I don't think I could do it in that one. Wow. And what type of diagnoses were being thrown at you? And how were you receiving them? How was your family receiving them? Like what was the environment around you? The words were cruel back then. I mean, there was no social need, but obviously the idiot, obviously the dumb one, obviously the one that was verbally bullied. I don't think they understood what ADD was, attention deficit disorder. Because my father also knows that was something I took interest in. I excelled better than anybody else. And when I look back at it, I'm not to get too much into it now, but that sort of emotional abuse from teachers, not getting the support from friends, and the teachers ice-diving in small classrooms, making me feel less than everybody else. That's why drugs came into play. They feel whole. And so because Darren, the value of this, I would hope for some, is maybe there's a 15, a 20, a 25, a 30, a 35, a 40, a 45, a 50, a 55, a 60. And if you're any of those ages, or in your 70s, and you're sitting here and you've never come to grips with some of the trauma of classification, bullying, framing, this man did. And he created arguably the greatest reunion in sports history, or American sports history, one of the greatest unions in just cultural history. And this man had many of those things that you've been told about yourself by teachers, by friends, maybe even your family. And Darren, what would you say to anybody from 15 to 75, who had some of those same traumas about their ability to get to a remarkable place? And not just to move through addiction, but to actually achieve impact and success in the world. Please. Yeah, I think it's never too late to change your present and change your future. We're not what our past is, whether it was a teacher, a mother, father, sister, brother, relationship, job, career, whatever it could have been. There's only so much that, you know, if you could stare at the past. I always say like yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery, today's the present, why we call it a gift. And it's the ones that go deep into that, you know, healing of meditation and mindset work and not pointing fingers, just booning the situation and leaving it exactly where it is, becoming higher self. Yeah, and if you, you know, the title, Aiming High, and obviously there's a number of different ways you're referring to that, what would you say is a mindset principle foundationally for the people listening out there that have had those challenges, and maybe even people who haven't, if you had one mindset sentence to give to people, if you could like install it inside of them, what would that be? One mindset sentence, I am enough. I think that's where, you know, most people doubt themselves, they don't know if they can do it, they feel of a prisoner of the past, and I think just constantly repeating to yourself, you are enough, and words of affirmation are very, very powerful. Yeah, and I thank you for everybody. I have a personal relationship with Darren, we do a lot together. I don't easily use the word friend, I call Darren a friend. I love him as beautiful fiancee, and the impact in the world this man creates, and the very podcast you're watching has been consistently now ranked number one, number two in Apple Business Podcast, it would never be here without a couple people, but Darren Prince is one of those folks. We've had Magic Johnson on this podcast, Charlie Sheen or Alf Machio, many others that are associated with this man and many more to come, and massive, massive gratitude. So I just want to thank you on a personal level, Darren, for everything you've done to make this what it is, and the impact you've had on my life, because while I've had the blessing and privilege of never struggling with drugs or alcohol substances, you know, you do feel like, wait, who am I to be interviewing Magic Johnson? Who am I to be sitting down now with Ralph Machio, the karate kid? So we all had that struggle and challenge, and I couldn't agree more with this brother. You are enough, Darren's enough, I'm enough, we're all enough, and we all struggled with that challenge, including some of these iconic names that we've shared a moment ago. But first, let's step into this journey that at some point, a desire to feel better comes into your life. We all have that desire, we all want to feel better, and what were some of the choices you were making that were positive in ways to feel better? I'm sure entrepreneurship was one of them, and some of the ways that negative choices of how to feel better came into your life, Darren. To double that story with drugs, especially opiates, because, you know, opiates become a superpower at a certain point where, at a lab, when it feels so free and so unstoppable and so comfortable in certain environments. But then when I'd be home at night, or after a long trip, or, you know, in my home, wherever I might've been by myself in my own head, I was back into a prison that I had no idea how he was gonna escape this cycle. I tell people often, Sean, I wasn't a bad person, I was a sick person, but we were trying to get better. There was never any ill will or evil to me, even when opportunities become my way, I always practice what magic, and my dad told me about paying it forward and blessing it with any else. I just had a lot of stuff that I had to work through until I got there. And where was the beginning? Like, what was the first choice that took you down that path? So it would have been July 1st, 2008, and again, I'm gonna mention speed, cause he was there on my own. No, I mean going down the path of addiction. Oh, addiction, sorry. Or even using, like how, yeah. So as far as the using, I was in sleepaway camp, 14 years old, I had terrible stomach pains one night, and the counselor let's take me to see the nurse, I took this chlorine cloth syrup type of liquid, and it tasted terrible, and within five minutes, every an addict was seen by the light. I'm walking back to the bunk, I felt like Superman. I was on top of the world, I felt just as smart, just as popular, just as good looking. I'm now the talkative one at the bunk, all the guys were laughing with me. I started learning with the girls in the bunk next to me. I never had this feeling before in my life short. So I woke up the next day, did all the activities in sleepaway camp, and I learned how to lie in con, and that very next night, I healed over in the bunk, because I wanted to get the couch, I should have taken it in for me. So went out for three weeks until my mom and dad came out for visitation today, and I found I was taking a look with Demoral. So for everyone out there, I will want to ask Darren this next, but we can choose different ways to feel better and feel worse, and we all want to feel more confident, we all want to feel more included, we all want to feel stronger and more powerful, more loving, more abundant, more generous, and what I'm hearing from you Darren, and I've never done a drug in my life, I thank God for the blessing of that, but what I'm hearing is the great challenge is people don't know how to get that, and it's so accessible in the beginning through substances, I'm hearing that correctly. Absolutely, 100%, and now more than ever. And so for folks that, if you can go back and talk to a 14 year old, talk to your 14 year old self, not just saying, hey, say no to drugs like Nancy Reagan style, but if we're sitting there, we do want those positive feelings. What would you suggest to people would be that pathway, and what do you do now to feel better instead? I think it just needs to be more of an open conversation. I've definitely noticed some influencers and some prominent famous people talking about their own struggles. I think authenticity and vulnerability is truly a superpower, and I look at what it's done for me and the amount of people I've been, a bit of hell. I also think a quick fix for a lot of people when we're stuck in our own head, and it's a vibration and frequency when I live by is I think the more we serve other people. I think the more we get out of our own head and help lift other people up, help other organizations, just get out of that noise between our two ears. It's a phenomenal fix to build a real self esteem, real self worth, real self love, peace and fulfillment. And I think we might share another really bizarre behavior that could be helpful for people, and if I'm wrong, just please tell me I'm wrong, but do I remember hearing that you were at this incredible mansion party out in the Hamptons, and you might have disappeared under a table to do something? Am I remembering this correctly? Yeah. Yeah, and what was that something? So was that with my ammo experience? Yes, yeah. Yeah, I just, I mean, and I was just out of my mind, just the behavior of what was going on. I was, I think I was on steroids and all jacked up then, and always wanted to entertain, to put the attention on me, and I took my shirt off and stored it in push-ups, and entertained people, and I mean, but there was so many experiences like that. And I laugh at some of my guy friends now. You remember all the great night of your lives, but anybody that's here recording your production team, when we talk about the best nights of our lives, in that moment, the next day you wake up with your friends, or whatever your crew was, you don't remember any of this greatest night of your lives. You cannot secure and tell me I remember the top five. So do you still do push-ups? Do you still put in do-or-punching? I do push-ups, but not at a venue in Funnest Thousands. Taking your shirt off, yeah. So this is so fascinating to me, because when people ask me, like, why don't you drink? Why don't you do drugs? And they're like, wow, you must be really disciplined. I'm like, no, no, no, I just hate feeling bad. And so I'm very present to what's gonna happen afterwards, and I just don't like that feeling. I really despise it, and I love the feeling, and I did this before we got together today. I did ellipticals, I did push-ups. Six sets in of push-ups today, not to feel cool and to look cool, but to feel better. So if I could ask, doing push-ups, putting endorphins in your body, for those that really have some challenges with substances, or for those that might just drink a lot of clothier, smoke a whole bunch, how does that feel comparatively? And I'm sure it's not the same thing as, I don't think you ever get a crack, but in opioid, there's a certain incredible high you can get. But how might the putting of endorphins into one's body be able to be, it's certainly more effective later, but how about just even the short run for feeling better? How close can you get by putting endorphins in your body to some of those feelings of confidence and strength and love and fun and humor, any thoughts? It's super important, I mean, not just in your detox phase. I had to make sure I was hitting a gym twice a day during the detox phase on top of my 12-step spiritual meetings, but to this day, Sean, I'm 70 to 50 years sober, and I'm in the gym six days a week, I'm jumping rope, when I can't make it to the gym, I'm doing body weight squats, push-ups, sit-ups, whatever it is that I need to do. I think in general, anybody that's struggling with anything, mental health-wise, depression, substance abuse, what it does for your serentine and dopamine levels, it's the greatest natural drug in the world. I agree, and I'll just share this from my heart to anybody out there. I, Darren, we're up to a lot of things in the world, as many of you are listening, and some of you have even more present struggles of paying the rent or paying the mortgage and meeting payroll for your business, and what I'll share from my heart around this is, when I put endorphins in my body 12 times a day, micro dosing, I'll just get on the ground and do push-ups, I'll be in my office not to make a public spectacle out of it, in fact, I don't wanna do that at all, as Darren was saying, but how that feels when I'm done, I feel like I just took drugs, I've never taken drugs, but I feel like I'm high, high that doesn't have any negative side effects, so I really give you that. That's part of how this man stays as healthy, as strong, as abundant, as masterful as he does, and that could be very practical. Do that today 12 times a day, you go, wait, what? Yeah, just like after every phone call, once an hour, drop on the ground, do a set of push-ups for 60 seconds, do some body weight squats, as Darren said, do some crunches and see how that feels. Align, brother. 100%, you could totally shift your brain frequency patterns just with a consistent daily routine of doing that, even after a week, you're gonna notice the difference, your brain will actually start craving. Yeah, I feel like I feel addicted, and when I don't do that, I feel bad, and I feel myself reaching for something, and for me, it might be sugar, while I'll be reaching for more sugar, and when I put the endorphins in my body, and I just feel so much better, so practical takeaway. Now, here you are, you sell your business for a million dollars. You are, how did that feel when you sold the business for a million, where were substances in your world at 19? Like, what was life like at that moment? It felt like almost, that it was a long time coming, because at that point I was building for five years, and I knew I wanted to make a transition out of the card industry into, I already had my direction, because I was noticing all these legendary athletes signing autographs to trade shows, so I wanted to dabble into that, so it was more just an excitement, and reinvesting that money into growing and building something else. Very cool, and were substances yet tipping into a problem at 19? They were, but I was highly functioning at that point. There wasn't really any ramifications, I would say probably to about 21, when I was arrested four times in six months. And that was for possession, is that correct? Yeah, so not this week. To sell, because I didn't need to sell, I was making plenty of money, it was to use it for my friends. I thought I was the cool kid, they was buying all the drugs for everybody. And for me, we could go down that road for an hour and just tell stories, and I don't really see value, so the bottom line is that the Darren Prince went through an extraordinary journey, starting at 14 years old, in substances, and had challenges all the way through to 2008, and we'll come to that in a second, but as you're highly functioning, and on the successful side of what's happening in business, how do you begin to build relationships with massive people of identity? You might call it fame, in my language you say, identity in the world, you create these unbelievable relationships, what was that journey? So the first one I went after was for a mutual friend, I knew my friend, I knew a guy named Harlan, one of his Muhammad Ali's main agents, so he was the first guy I contacted, start doing width and four and fucking body dress on his Muhammad Ali's, so I went right to the top. From there I'm in magic. You didn't start small? Yeah. The most recognizable athlete in the history of the world. So then from there I got introduced to magic, and then I went to Chevy Chase, and then Pamela Anderson and smoking Joe Frazier, and so that's how the business started out, the first few years, I developed relationships with them from a business that had nothing to do with sports and entertainment marketing. It was basically booking them in certain autographs, signing appearances. Got it, and so you would bring them into an environment, with these set events, or you would? You would either a bench, or they would go to a hotel conference room for a few hours and sign. And you would browse into front items. And you would be promoting that yourself? Exactly, exactly. And why did they say yes to you? I mean, weren't there other people seeking that yes from them and to do that? So, because I want everybody to realize this narrative, it's not that easy to just call up Muhammad Ali's people and have them say yes. What was it you think about you that made people comfortable, these icons, to say yes to you at such a young age? Number one, I mean, I confided my dad with a lot of the way he wanted me to behave and act around that and make and work out the person and the business. He always said, you know, that's the biggest mistake in business. Too many people care about the sales and the contacts and the dollars, when we should be caring about the person. And I also think in a way, not to pat myself too much on the back, but I think I was somewhat a visionary for that market taking off back in the early 90s. I timed it so well that it gave me such recognition for being aligned with these people. There was no internet back then. It was all done by fax machines marketing and running ads in a magazine called Sports Electrics Digest. So what I do is I'd run photos of all the signings and I think it put me so far past everybody that they just said, oh, well, we gotta go to Darren Prince for this person and that person. And this one's to do with signing and that's kind of how it all happened. Wow. And so for everybody out there, a foundational principle of Unwinded and this podcast is that influence is the only human attainable superpower. And what you're hearing from Darren Prince is that thanks to his dad and the innovations that followed him along his journey, this man became a master of influence. And interestingly, and I think a master of integrity influence because from my experience and how you built your relationship with these people is you did what you said you were going to do. And it went the way you said it was gonna go. Am I hearing you correctly, Darren? Yeah. Yeah. And so I was 25 and then I had a little bit of a setback. And that setback was? So I was selling from another contact, Michael Jordan was one of the other biggest athletes in the world, some authenticated Michael Jordan product. And this forensic document expert that was retired from the FBI was being praised as the guru of authentication. I know you have collectors that watch, there was no PSA, there was no back and back then. And after about a year or so of selling it, I've been getting investigated by the FBI. And I went from this- By the way, that's not fun. No, I went from this 19 year old kid on top of the world more or less losing everything. And in my life, you talk about relationships at the time of the sentence. I got a felony charge for making a false statement to the FBI during the interview. Never went to prison. Magic, Chevy's, Muhammad Ali and Laniela, all wrote letters to the judge on my character. And I wound up getting probation, but I had to rebuild. Yeah. And that's where I have two more unbelievable stories with my dad in the midst of how that happened. I was on a fly fishing trip with my dad. The last three grand to my name was when I was the last gave me soap paste that I spent. So you have the last $3,000 after you sold your card for a million. 26 years old, 1996. And you've had all these massive celebrities. Now you're down to your last three. So this is another moment where we talk about ringing benches, let your past make you better, not better. Have the vision for what you want to do. And we're on this beautiful stream and my dad said to me, what's my next move? And I said, you know, dad, I want to be an agent, but I don't have eight years to go to law school. He drops the fishing pole and says, law school. He goes, life is about who you know, not what, you know, any lawyer would kill to have the relationship with that. You can go to Joe Montana's house. You can go to Bering Springs and see Muhammad. You can go to Mahal and drive in Beverly Hills and see Pam and Tommy or Magic and Beverly Hills. So he goes, what I would do is next time you see Magic, tell him your vision. Sean, three story up, talked about it before. Three weeks later, I'm with Magic in Michigan. We had a corporate event. I go into his hotel room, hotel suite. And if he was here, he would repeat the exact same words it's 30 years ago. And I told him my vision. He said, you're a good dude. You made a mistake. I made a mistake. This was four years after his HIV announcement. And he goes, and I love your family. Who do you want to start with as your first client? And it was one of those moments. I'm literally a 26 year old kid. I got one shot to ask him. My heart's palpitating. My hands were sweating. And I got up the nerve and I go, I would love it to be you, urban. You know, I call him by his real name. And he goes, okay. He goes, I'm gonna give you two years to represent me. But if you don't use me to knock down every door to bring in all the celebrities you can, I'm gonna fight for this year's rough. Because in life, Darren, it's not, he said, I'm gonna become a success they've never seen before in the world of sports and entertainment. Fast forward is a multi-annoying dollar brand. Because it's not how successful I become. It's how successful I make you. And everybody else around me. So when you get there, it's your turn to bless other people. And Prince Markinek was born after that. And everything changed. I went to every single client and said magic sign on. The superpower of yes. That's what happened. He had the heart to do it, of course, but the mastery, the grace, the humility, the rapport with Magic Johnson, and he caused yes. And then once he had Magic Johnson, he had the opportunity. It's still not easy. You could know incredibly famous people have nothing happened. Many people know famous people and nothing happens. What Darren Prince became incredibly master flat, and you can too, is once you build a relationship with the right person, it doesn't have to be a famous celebrity in the world. If you're an attorney, an accountant, a financial service provider, a local realtor, you're trying to get your coaching, business, and moving anything, who is ecosystem famous in your world? Maybe it's a local attorney, an accountant, a financial service provider. If you're an accountant, an attorney, if you're an attorney, it's a financial service provider. Who is it in your world? That's your magic Johnson. Back to you, brother. So once you had magic, what happened from there? I never hired a publicist before I did. Basically, it wound up in all of our, the trade papers and the trade magazines that he signed with us, it made it so much easier for me then to go to all the other celebrities that we were looking at. Why graph signings, I'm like, look, we're starting to a lot more picker things now. We're gonna start bringing in speak engagements and licensing deals and commercials and all sorts of different branding opportunities. But it's like you said, now when these people is one thing, like my dad would always come with the same thing. He goes having them as friends and associates are good Darren, but can you actually put real projects together for them? Can you bring real opportunities because now you get the benefit of both you can be in business together with your dear friends at the same time. And it took a little bit, but once I found that sweet spot, I would say within like 68 months, it's kind of like we never looked back. I mean, I think relationship capital has been sort of a strength before I even knew that was a term. My dad was like I said, if magic was in New York City, always make sure that you have food coming to his hotel sweet from his favorite restaurant or bring him to his favorite restaurant and make sure the bathroom is blocked off so we can go there in peace and silence and enjoy himself. And every time Jill Frazier was in town, Mahoma was in town with his wife, Lonnie, bring a certain food to the Essex house, whatever hotel he was at. And I think that really created a foundation, Sean, to show that I was different. Found out about their birthday, their family, their likes, their dislikes, their hobbies. Where the business part was important to a jewelry, but it wasn't a priority. And my experience of this mandarin prince and something for you to really consider as you experience this is truly loving people. So what you could mistake what you're hearing from Darren to say is he do a lot of nice things that seem like you care. No, no, that's not what Darren's saying. This man cares. He loves these people. When Hulk Hogan recently passed away, Darren was devastated. Like I heard it, felt it, saw it. As he, when he speaks of Joe Frazier and Mahoma Ali, these icons who are no longer with us, the resonating power of love come from his heart and soul with these people is genuine. So what if the great opportunity, Darren, for folks out there is to find a way to truly love people? How have you done that? Because that is very present for me. That you're such a loving soul. Was it always that way? When you were 14, 15, 16, 17, did you love people or did you learn to love people? I think I picked up on my dad's philosophy, but I also think I did it for a large part of my life to be accepted out of insecurities and wanting to be validated. And then eventually I started my spiritual super journey seven and a half years ago. It was coming from a different place. It was coming from a place of, I can do this. I can provide. I am worthy of the world that I'm in, the respect that I have. Now let me bless and put smile on other people's faces where there's absolutely no offense action. Let's, Webber, think back to two of our things. The Shigare Leonard dinner. That was completely unplanned. And he said somewhere, it's the language I'm not gonna announce on the podcast. It's almost a little bit of a curse word. That when I told you- I was like, you're a sick mother, effort-datter prince, you idiot. When I told you that Shigare Leonard's coming to dinner and you're a favor, but is that Steve so raciously and beautifully coordinated for that event? I mean, it was unbelievable. Ric Flair a couple of weeks ago. When I got him to FaceTime. Here's the great advice I got from Ric Flair. Ric Flair, he said, now listen, I'm divorced four times. He was, I'm divorced four times. I'm like hearing from nature, boy. Thanks to Darren Prince and a phone call. I'm sitting by the fire in my home, like watching a movie with my daughter who's four and a half years old. And he's like, here's the advice. Now divorce four times so you can take it from where it comes. He goes, but ask for forgiveness, not permission and get on an airplane and come on down and hang out with me and Baron. So yes, thank you. So anytime you and you're over down in Tampa, it's done. But yeah, moments like that, that gets me so much more excited. Business is fun and great when we do it and it's nice, but you gotta, you know, the money only means so much at a certain point. It's how many people are getting blessed from experiences. You know, we saw it from your event in October, how many people just lay up from who you had there because you were blessed to provide value for your audience, for your team, for these people that are looking for that shot in the arm, whatever it might be to reshift and repivot, you know, their belief system itself and business and whatever it might be. And you understand that you can't put a price on that. It feels just, let's get forward. Yeah, and so now from that place of euphoria, from identity, let's talk about identity so it lands for people, not emotionally, but intelligently, intellectually, strategically, with integrity. Muhammad Ali, the most iconic athlete in history. And you can't be Muhammad Ali unless you have other icons that you are embroiled with. Joe Frazier is one of those folks. And Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, is one of the two of the greatest athletes and champions in the history of American sport and certainly in boxing. And they have this incredible rivalry. They're on two different sides of the world. Joe Frazier is representative of the right, Muhammad Ali of the left, they didn't choose that, it's how it broke out. Joe Frazier is this, you know, American, for the American patriot, and Muhammad Ali becomes the progressive civil rights movement and change and disruption, anti-war movement. All of these things are going on. Muhammad Ali doesn't go in the draft, 1971. They have this iconic fight. My dad was there, by the way, in 1971 at Madison Square Garden. Yeah, I was one. And Dad and I were on the same year, just out of a fun fact, a few weeks apart. And so all this is going on. And as their rivalry builds, Muhammad Ali, this incredible communicator, starts to move in directions that would be very painful, or are very painful, or very disrespectful. And those that love him find it to be humorous, as we often do for the people we love. And for those that don't like him, think he's a monster, a devil, right? So this creates this massive rift in this greatest, arguably the greatest sports rivalry in American history. And certainly, I believe in history boxing. And this is this rift that's there. They have three fights. Joe Frazier beats Muhammad Ali the first time, Muhammad Ali comes back and beats him the next two times. And it is the foundation of Muhammad Ali's career and Joe Frazier's career. Now, Darren gets to know these fine folks a little bit later down the line. And there is a tremendous, seismic rift that exists between the two of them. And can you pick it up from there? And you're rolling all the further. So we tried many a times to get them together. Lani Ali and Muhammad graciously offered to fly me, Joe, and his son, Marvis, out to the Ali premiere, where Will Smith started as Ali and they wanted us to ride in Muhammad's limo to the Hollywood premiere. Joe didn't want to do it. I mean, that's when I realized how deep the emotional wounds were. And Joe just said, Prince the LMM, doing something with them, is it because they on my tour have been filling. So it's about a year and a half, two years later, I got a call from Harlan. I talked to my dear friend that ran Ali's game that Lani wanted to call me. That Muhammad's in town with her for the NBA All-Star Weekend in Philly. And they would love Joe and you and Marvis to come by their hotel suite that night for dinner. So I'm malice-shakin'. Like, I can't even believe this opportunity to come in just in February of 2002. And I called Joe up and without batting and I delay no pause, because, all right, I'll call up Marvis, let's do it. It'll be good to see him tonight. So the second part of that, Sean, is I'm still in active addiction. So I can't even believe this happened. So I'll have to go back to the hotel. Okay, just free stream. So Darren Prince is about to be the orchestrator of a reunion of the greatest friction in the history of sports between two of the most iconic athletes in history. That's you. And he said, a perfect. So I'm back in the hotel and Marvis and Joe are heading over to get me, because then we had to go to Ali's hotel. And my best thinking was that, I just, how am I even worthy of this situation right now? And the only thing I could think of when it was to get high, because you're sitting there talking to me. So many people are in awe of this situation. So many people cannot believe it happened. There's photos, there's videos, there's documentary, and you see me with these two kicks. Anyway, I made the best of it. And we go to Muhammad's suite and Lonnie opens up the door. And I'm out of my mind. Like I cannot believe she's finally here. And Joe walks over to Muhammad who's on the couch. And he was a little bit bloated and overweight at that time in his life from not found the proper diet in the Parkinson's medication. But some moments I remember was Joe kind of lifted Ali up and Muhammad kind of fell on Joe's shoulder as Joe locked in his back leg and literally just had tears in his eyes, Ali as he was on Joe's shoulder hugging him. And Lonnie looked at all of us and said, you know, Muhammad really just found the old peace. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. And then we sat at this huge dining room table and had dinner. And Muhammad starts doing the legendary font. Dad does start fighting the bottom lip. And he looks at Joe at the other end. He goes, come roll up. We gonna go back to, because we gonna go back to Manila and Joe drops his fork and knife in his food. He goes, man, we just made up back there. I'm gonna have to kick your ass again for fourth fight. And I'm like, there's no way I'm watching this right now. It was unbelievable to just see that they just could not help themselves. It was just in the fabric of their DNA. Because here's a private moment with six of us in a hotel suite. And it was still going. Now quickly, because we can get into the next subject when it's gonna come to. Oh, please, please. This MBA surprised us the next day. Joe and I were planning on going with my boy, Nicky C, to the All-Scarot game. And the MBA called and said, we understand Joe and Muhammad got together last night. Of course I denied it. I go, no, I said we were just, you know, Joe and I just had a relax. And they said, okay, we're asking because we'd love to put Joe and your Muhammad, somewhat your Muhammad at the game today. So an MBA All-Star game is the star of All-Stars. And it's like next level, especially out of all the All-Stars. Yes. And so we get there and we have seat three, four and five center court. Within 15 minutes I started hearing that chant. I'll lay, I'll lay, I'll lay. I look to my right, coming out of the tunnel with security as Muhammad and his best friend, our Bingham, the famed photographer. Obviously neither are longer here. And Muhammad sits in seat two. Howards and seat one. Now my new Sean, center court is Howard. To his left is Ali. Right next to Ali is me and next to me is Joe. I've never been so, I have never been so uncomfortable. Who is that guy? Who is that guy? I have never been so uncomfortable and felt socially awkward in my life that I'm like, how do I get Joe to switch fricking seats with me right now? He starts elbowing me with his big strong arm and he leans over and he goes, boss man, that's what he used to call me. I said, yeah, boss, he goes, switch with me. And I said, I'd be honored. And I got up, I now go to Joe's left. Joe sits down next to Ali. They're holding hands. Alicia Key comes out to sing America the Beautiful. The place goes ballistic. I mean, the entire arena was standing up, applauding what was going on with Joe Muhammad. So that was just the special. Having Alton John look at them during half time and Kobe and Michael and Iverson. Like everybody knew what was happening. This was a piece of history at the NBA also again. That is unbelievable. And to think that, just to go back half a step for a moment, that part of the deep riff, the pain, the rage that existed was Muhammad Ali saying these things about him beating the gorilla in the thrill and the manila, which is obviously a racially derogatory attack on Joe Frazier. And then he says it at the table. So that is absolutely nuts. And then what Joe Frazier have been saying in response, cause this is such anger over time, is like, yeah, look at Muhammad Ali making fun of his Parkinson's condition, saying, who do you think won those fights now? And they say, look at him, look at me, one, all three. Yeah, like all of this conversation. And then it's happening at the table. And the next day they're sitting back together. So when Muhammad Ali was saying that, what were you feeling at the table? Like, were you, well, I know you had substance, but was there any part of like, this is gonna completely devolve, like what was- No, I actually got nervous for a second. I was like, damn, they just made up. And Joe's putting his fork and his knife back in his plate. I'm like, I hope he's not gonna get up and walk over. But then Joe was like smiling at that smirk. That's when he just dropped it. And he hit him with, man, we just made up back there. Am I gonna have to kick your ass again for a fourth fight? And Muhammad literally starts spitting his food out. He was the lamping so hard. He was all like this. And it was a beautiful moment. Like I said, they just couldn't help themselves. It's just who they were. Ali, Ali, Ali, as he's walking in, walking down with Hulk Hogan or Joe Frazier or Pamela Anderson, can you explain to people as slowly and methodically as is appropriate, the power of identity, the power of fame? So people can truly appreciate what happens and what you've experienced traveling with these people. Yeah, I mean, I've been blessed, be with the kings, the kings or queens of queens. And I mean, I've had De Niro, Pacino, Trump, Lionel Richie, Denzel Washington at dinner with Joe and I. I mean, the list goes Spielberg, literally in awe at a March for Our Lives event in Washington, you see that my prince screwed up on coordinated maybe 2018, 2019. The biggest athletes and celebrities, just Joe Frazier walks into a room and it's regal of another level. It's a different association, Bono, Bon Jovi at the MTV VMAs. I've seen it. Like they are like little kids. Beyonce had a magazine cover party for Gotham magazine, my friend Jason Bin sent a car and Beyonce and her dad wanted me to joke, Joe came up in Philadelphia. It's something so different, especially when you go back to that generation, John, not saying there's a certain athletes that haven't had it the best 20 years, but they were different. They were like, they affected the world politically. They unumor stopped the night of March 8, 1971, sort of by the century. They had such power. That was Ali Frazier one. They had such power, their voice, what they stood for long before social media, long before the internet. They had this level of global fame that they're not sending out tweets to build up their image, Joe. What happened is, you know, generationally, you know, the grandfather taught it to the uncle, the uncle taught it to the father, father took it to the son, and Hulk Hogan was that way too. Hulk Hogan transformed at least 30 or 40 different generations. I think when I look at like magic, the dream team really took him to a level that the dream team is so incredibly impactful. Let's go Hulk Hogan for a second. In WrestleMania, they call the WrestleMania, not WrestleMania one. I was there at Madison Square Garden. This man gave an unbelievable autograph poster for WrestleMania to my dad. We'll get to my dad and Dwight Good and Mookie Wilson in a couple of minutes. And being there and just Hulk Hogan coming out and the place going nuts, right? People literally losing their mind, like Elvis Presley taking the stage and Sullivan. When you have that, when you're walking around Hulk Hogan and people are there, lawyers, accountants, financial service providers, doctors, what you mentioned, feeling some of these iconic celebrities looking at Joe Frazier, like they're like a little kid looking up to Joe Frazier, what's it like? Were people, how would you describe how disrupted people become in the presence of a Hulk Hogan? Or in the presence of some of these others? What is it like as people are modding him for autographs and adult professionals and successful people? How would you describe what happens to people? I mean, I think over the years, I've just come to accept it more. Early on, it was like excitement, but it's also a lot of the job to do with their security to make sure they get in and out, whatever situation might be safely. But I think Hulk was the one that humbled me. I was down in Clearwater Beach, where he spent the last 20, 25 years in slight Florida. And me and a couple of my boys went to say we went for sushi for lunch. And Hulk is me, his valet ticket. He goes, brother, give me a favor, just can you just go have them pull up the car so we can get out of here? I turn around, I'm not kidding, show them there's 50 people behind us, just waitin'. They could tell, the bandana's on, the cut right shirt from behind, the blonde hair, they know it's him. And so I look at all these people, I was like, this is gonna be like a half hour. I'm gonna get out of here, I go get the car. I'm waiting in the parking lot for a half hour with the valet guy. He comes out, he goes, brother, what's going on? Click something bad, I'm like, you know what? I called him Terry, but I was real into Terry, but I'm like, Terry, we finally get away from the craziness of the traveling and all the fans and the Hulkamania craziness just to kinda get a lunch with you. And all this is still happening. And he looks at me, he puts the sound on my shoulder, good brother, these people still treat me like I'm heavily a champ of the world and that's a blessing because let me tell you something, we might be friends, but we wouldn't be, it's good friends as we are, because you wouldn't be calling me with all these business opportunities, these fans disappeared. And that made me never say another word about it because he understood it. He understood the power of being there for their fans, like that none of them are who they are without the love and support of that. And while this may resonate so powerfully, emotionally, let's also think about it, we live as people in a hierarchical world. And I'm not talking about the way we wish the world would be, but it is. So if you build a relationship with the president of an association, this is how I built my entire business originally, I had the president of the Northern New Jersey Chiropractic Society 29 years ago bring me in to speak. And once that person said, hey, Sean's okay, then everybody else said, you didn't say Sean's okay, said Sean's a great masterful, what he does, like it changes everything. And that's the power of identity. And so if you're entertained by this, you're enjoying this, I mean, I would love to talk to Darren all day, all night about these stories, but what I hope is there for you, at least some of you, is to take this away and realize that you too can be a Darren Prince and you could build relationships with people with identity in certain ecosystems. Maybe it's a medical society, a legal society, accounting society, whatever it is that's gonna transform what you do. And maybe for some of you out there, you wanna be calling Darren Prince and saying, hey, can I bring some of these people? Because I assure you, you start bringing people, like Darren's got to bring to your situations and that's not an easy thing to do, right? This is not just about money, it's like this has gotta be the right situation and the right people, the right situation with the right people of integrity, but the power of bringing celebrity identity is game changing all day, every day. So from that place, brother, how do you leave the world of addiction? So you have these iconic moments, you struggle to feel them, experience them as deeply and meaningful as you want. This is in Darren's book, Aiming High. You wanna read a heartwarming, soul-touching, entertaining as heck story of a journey into the power of celebrity. Aiming High is there for you and if you wanna, a pathway out of some of the challenges you're having, it's there for you. But, and I know how and why and I've read the book multiple times now, but Aiming High, 2008, you finally have had enough and please share with people that powerful moment that may serve some folks out there or prevent them from moving down that same path. My late uncle still was dating a woman, Andrew, after time and I don't know, I just connect to a friend, Steve, who's sitting here, you know, was there to wait to say it and I was just ready. I mean, she started asking me all these questions and I told her I was sick and tired and I was just gone and she pulled a coin out of her pocket and she talked about GNCs, as I call them, God-managed coincidence. She just celebrated five years sober and she said I could help you. So she put me on the detox plan and the next day was July 2nd, 2008. And I went into my apartment bathroom at the time that I was living with my then wife and thought I was taking like a non-arcotic anxiety pill and too if I couldn't skim out, which is one of the three opiates. And I thought it's what I needed, Sean, but I had first time of my life, a light, light moment. You know, I thought of my knees and I screamed, that God take the money, take the business, take the notoriety. He could give me a single day of freedom. I'll go and go back and tell one day that it's time to take other people's out, other people out. And I had like a lightning bolt on my right shoulder because it was a feeling I never had before and I never had it since. And I heard a voice that got you when you're ready. And there was no Uber. I went downstairs into a taxi cab after going online, found a 12-step meeting in the upper 80s in a church basement in New York City with 150 plus addicts and alcoholics who were all once broke with state of mind. Ego, ferocious, less important, like knowing that I was going there to get the help that I needed and to surrender for the first time of my life. And that day, what I thought at that time was the worst has now turned out to my very best. Well, congratulations, my brother, of course. And for folks out there, Darren, that maybe are not in a terrible place of addiction, but they're just looking for ways to have fun at a higher vibrational level. This is a man that rolled with some of the wildest, craziest characters ever. What would you say to people about how you have fun now? Because I surf, I ski, I said before this, I surf, ski in Scoobidode this month. I'm a blind guy and I love it. It makes me feel high. I've never been actually high, so I can't be sure I really feel high, but it certainly makes me feel at a much higher vibrational level. How do you have fun now? And for the folks that may be thinking, yeah, man, but like, if I stop drinking as much as I'm drinking or stop getting high sometimes, I'm just not gonna have fun, but I think your life says something very different. Yeah, I mean, fun for me is not to find the way that it used to be. It's just being around the right energy people. You and I, this is where it was of a magical connection where we're together, just around people that are as spiritual as possible. I think we need to talk about individuals that are listening and watching that doesn't necessarily need to be a celebrity, but there is somebody in your world of impact that's probably doing the next right thing every day of their life to build, scale, give back, be in integrity, that if you latch onto people like that, you're really gonna start realizing what life is about and get a new definition of fun. It's a different time, and I think people are starting to understand that it's not about nothing good happens when you're at a bar till 11, 12 o'clock at night. My level of fun and joy and happiness now comes from helping other people that are struggling. You've been a blessing to my Amy Hyde Foundation, I scholarshiped anywhere from 30 to 40 people a year when those calls come in. It is the greatest, most exciting time of my life when something like that happens. We have somebody that comes in that doesn't have the resources that we can help them. If somebody wants mentorship and sports management or celebrity marketing, like I drop everything, my office makes sure I set that stuff up because you can't even, you understand, for people that are listening and have an experience, you can't even put the feeling into words on what it's like every single time I'm in a happy. Amen, brother, and fun. So here's what's fun for me. Having lunch in California in Hollywood with Darren. After we've just gone to an amazing home in the Hollywood Hills, which I'll keep confidential for what we did and what was happening there. We'll be able to announce it soon. And then having lunch and just enjoying pizza and laughing and talking about the future and possibility. What also was fun is when I had the blessing and privilege of first meeting Darren. It was on Halloween. 2024. 2024, and Darren comes in with his, one of his incredible business partners, Ammo. And Ammo's there to like check me out to make sure that's some maniac. It was like 20,000 square feet here, right? And I had the blessing and privilege of making a contribution to Darren's Amy High Foundation. That's fun. But the reason that happened is because we did things, not like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier exactly, or we're Hulk Hogan or Magic Johnson, but not completely unlike it. We faced challenge and friction. Darren did, I did. We built business. We built abundance. And only from that place of abundance could a contribution come for people to get free. And so that happens. We begin to develop a relationship. It was fun running a thousand person event in New Jersey and having all these incredibly iconic celebrity people come in. It was really fun and magical to sit down with Charlie Sheen and not to exploit him, but to lean in on his incredible influence, charisma, magic that this man has brought to the world and also to be present to the fact that he's had some extraordinary challenges as well. And Darren represents him. And what was fun and magical was my dad's 80th birthday. My dad's really sick. And this just happened in 2025. And my dad couldn't have his 80th birthday party and I was heartbroken. He was heartbroken. And we began a conversation with Darren, the mutual teammate of ours, Mike Vesuvio, and said, my dad is an enormous met fan and Darren causes Dwight Gooden and Mookie Wilson along with this incredible team, right? Steve in a partnership. And they come to the hospital and I'm able to surprise my father and nothing means more to him than New York Mets and have Mookie Wilson and Dwight Gooden walk into his hospital room. I got the computer set up and the most meaningful moment my dad and I have ever shared was 1986 being a box 113A for the New York Mets and watching the ball rolled through Bill Buckner's legs that Mookie Wilson hit. We rewatched this moment in the hospital room with my father with Mookie and Dwight Gooden watching the whole thing. Brother thought and they're there in the hospital room for like two hours, you know, ish, like an hour and a half, two hours. We have a Mets cake and a James Bond cake for my dad's birthday. Mookie Wilson and Dwight Gooden are asking for second pieces. I'm thinking they're being nice, taking the first piece like, no, no, that's really good. I've got another piece. Then we come into this room and do a podcast with Dwight Gooden and Mookie Wilson telling the story. I'm crying, they're all emotional. Pizza and wings, you know, in the office till God knows what time, but that's fun. But that fun only comes because of the sacrifice of this man, his partner, other people have made to build these relationships with incredible people. And also, humbly, the abundance I've had the privilege of creating with partnerships and teammates myself. So what if it's fun to build things and from that abundance do magical things? So brother, first, from my heart, my soul, and I've shared this already, but I wanna say it right here on this podcast, we wouldn't be here without you, number one. Number two, thank you for one of the most meaningful moments of my life and my father's relationship. You know, we all have challenges with our parents and all have interesting moments, but like Billy Crystal, the movie said in City Slickers and one of his co-stars said, you know, we feel like he can't talk about anything. Like we could talk about baseball. And it was the heart and soul of our life. My dad cried more than 10 times that day about this and he's cried at least 25 times since. Every single human being my father knows has heard this story about Dwight Gooden and Mookie Wilson being there. And if my father was in this room with us right now, he would be crying, tears pouring down his face and the mention of his 80th birthday, he cries instantly. You did that. And that, I hold no judgment. I've had plenty of people with addiction challenges in my life and my family. I hold no judgment, but I know for a fact there's no way that there could be a greater high than that. And I hope that can like penetrate your heart and soul brother, because you've done that for so many people but you did it from me and my father and my children. All my children, I have four kids, I have a 26 year old, my son, dad, my four year old daughter were all in this dream together with my dad for his birthday and what was gonna be this beautiful party at the Capitol Grill and you know, a hundred people and friends turned into just us in that room. Tiny small family collection and it was the most memorable day of my father's life and you did that brother. I hope that high brother is special. Yes, sir. You know who my favorite athlete is of all time. Mookie Wilson. There you go. And anybody I'll tell you that, that's no me since I was a little boy. So that made it even more magical. Thank you. And how many people have you brought moments to like that? I mean, you did it for, I can't even imagine what the relationships you have and the power that these celebrities can have in people's hearts and souls brother. You're like George Bailey. Like it's a wonderful life. Like are you present to all the lives and the ripple effects of everything? Not just that these people do that, you do brother. Like how present are not, are you to that? I am. I mean, it's like I brought up earlier to you about your abandoning New Jersey. Like I see it, it's not, of course there's a business side to things, but we don't want to be just a transactional business. We want to create experiences. We want to create mind blowing moments. We want these events or keynotes, whatever it might be of whatever that business project is to just really impact others from the energy and the frequency of whoever that celebrity is that they're around. Because transactional one off, shake somebody's hand, maybe deal with them again. But now we want to just make sure we maximize every single thing we're doing. That's just because that's where the magic is. That's when it becomes, you know, you're reaching back and giving back and people are in that moment of just taking every single thing in just like you were with every single person, every celebrity you had on stage. I mean, you change so many lives that day just to be behind the scenes with Steve and watching it with Matilda. And like, no, we had a very small part of that helping to put this roster. Such a good feeling there. No, thank you, my brother. So what does it go from here? As we begin around the band home, you have hopefully another 100 years on this earth. What is it? I know you take one day at a time. I know you meditate, love life. But if you could fast forward 100 years to your final day, what if anything would you want to bring forward that you haven't brought forward yet? But if anything, I think I'm just so passionate about the younger generation and the mental health and this whole word that everybody keeps hearing narcissist and, you know, un-ill, like I would love to be somebody, and I've been spoke to them at the White House about this when I went that, can we like, you know, start creating like a course in grammar school about self-righteous and self-love? Yes, I want to be a part of that. That has nothing to do with this whatsoever. And I can care less. It's been giving me blessings and relationships that are incredible. I've said it before, when I'm gone, I want to be known as a man that went deep into health, came out on the other side and sprinkled open recovery for us the world to make people's lives better. And that's something that would change mental health, addiction, substance abuse, bullying, that if the jocks and the nerds that are eight, nine, 10 years old and the geeks and whatever little stereotypes that we want to call them all sat in the same room, talked about how they feel on that given day. Everybody be on the same thing, Phil. Amen, brother. And as a small token of gratitude, and this is like fun for me, I'd like to make a $50,000 donation from my Calogy Christian Foundation. This was not at all part of like Darren being here, we didn't say this, but a $50,000 donation from my Calogy Christian Foundation to Amy High. That's fun. And a massive gratitude. Like that's how I get high. So thank you, my brother, for everything you've done. I love you. Anything you'd like to share with these incredible people in the final final, you've shared so much already. Is there anything left on your heart that we have not yet attended to these folks? I just think sort of how we opened it up in because you live in a frequency that's just so unbelievable. And I do it as often as I can that it's about finding fulfillment. Don't be blinded by all these people with the cars and the jets and the houses. Like that's getting great and it's important to some and it's nice to have the ability to live a life, but it's about integrity, it's about relationship building, it's about giving back, it's about finding that fulfillment in here and in here and in here. And when you get it, let it spread like wildfire to people that need to hear it, because when you get to that place, you want to know that you're as happy as you possibly could have been. Because I know a lot of people that have gotten to that place off the top of the mountain top, that are just miserable. And I think the younger middle-aged generation needs to understand that's a different way to go about it. Yeah, and what I would love you to take away from this time with Darren Prince, is that what if we are all a mouse? What if Muhammad Ali was a mouse? Joe Frazier was a mouse? Darren, myself, you, what if we're all mice? Looking for lions. And what if the lion that Muhammad Ali pulled the thorn out of the foot of, for people that felt oppressed and challenged and limited and fearful and concerned about what's happening? What if Joe Frazier was for people who thought there was change coming that was hurtful? And what if there's thorns in the feet of ecosystems? Sometimes ecosystems are large groups of people. Sometimes they're individuals. And what this brother stands for is he took lions down the thorn and removed it and created massive value. And that's how he integrously built these relationships. So my takeaway is what if we all, Darren, myself, you, all of us, and these iconic people, just kept looking for ways to build relationships with integrity. Darren wants to help more people. I have financial abundance. Here I am to do it. Darren's gracious enough to come in and he brings gifts for me, my dad, all these things. What if we just keep realizing it's not a zero sum gain, but there's value to expand and share and to find people's pain? They may be way bigger than you, way bigger than you in many ways. But what if you could remove that thorn and create massive value for them and build lifelong relationships? That is what this brother has done with the likes of Hulk Hogan and Magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Pamela Anderson, David Goggins, people, the list goes on and on. We do it all day long. And if this man that was classified in special education in the great state of New Jersey will also share that in common, if he could do it, why can't you? Darren Prince, I love you, my brother. We're in this life together forever. So much more to do. I thank you for being on the show on Cal. You unblind the podcast and it wouldn't be here without you. So thank you, Darren Prince. Love you. To the honor, my brother. Love you.