Universe Today Podcast

[Q&A+] How Bad Is Crashing Rockets in the Ocean, Really?

24 min
Jun 12, 2026about 1 month ago
Listen to Episode
Summary

A Q&A episode addressing listener questions about rocket ocean impacts, interstellar travel timelines, fusion vs. antimatter propulsion, and black hole physics. The host contextualizes environmental concerns about rocket crashes within broader planetary pollution issues and discusses the Fermi Paradox through the lens of stellar kinematics and optimal expansion strategies.

Insights
  • Rocket ocean impacts must be contextualized against larger pollution sources like shipping, aviation, and oil tankers—fuel leaks from rockets are negligible compared to routine maritime operations
  • Waiting for optimal stellar alignments could reduce interstellar expansion costs by 90% while adding only a couple million years to total colonization timelines, challenging assumptions about space exploration urgency
  • Fusion propulsion will likely precede antimatter rockets by decades, with near-term fusion demonstrations expected within 30 years from multiple international programs (ITER, Chinese, German facilities)
  • Black holes preserve only three measurable properties of infalling matter: mass, spin, and electromagnetic charge—planetary magnetic fields would be absorbed into these three parameters upon accretion
  • Space journalism must balance reporting on SpaceX/Blue Origin achievements against political and billionaire influence narratives, focusing on objective facts rather than emotional framing
Trends
International fusion reactor development accelerating with ITER, Chinese, and German programs competing for sustained fusion demonstrationAntimatter containment technology maturing (CERN truck transport demonstrations) positioning it as future energy storage solution rather than generation methodStellar kinematics research reframing interstellar expansion strategy from brute-force nearest-neighbor approach to patience-based optimal pathway selectionGrowing politicization of space industry coverage as billionaire-led companies intersect with NASA directives and Congressional prioritiesEnvironmental impact assessment of commercial spaceflight becoming mainstream concern requiring comparative analysis against other industriesDirect fusion rocket concepts advancing as intermediate technology between thermonuclear weapons and controlled fusion reactorsReusable rocket landing systems (booster catch, ocean recovery) becoming standard operational practice rather than experimental noveltyFermi Paradox resolution theories shifting toward temporal/kinematic explanations rather than technological capability barriers
Topics
Rocket Ocean Impact Environmental AssessmentInterstellar Travel Timeline OptimizationFusion Propulsion Technology DevelopmentAntimatter Energy Storage and ContainmentBlack Hole Physics and AccretionStellar Kinematics and Galactic ExpansionFermi Paradox Resolution TheoriesReusable Rocket Landing SystemsSpace Journalism Editorial StandardsComparative Environmental Impact AnalysisDirect Fusion Rocket EnginesITER Tokamak Facility ProgressLaser Fusion Energy GainPlanetary Magnetic Field DynamicsCommercial Spaceflight Regulation
Companies
SpaceX
Discussed extensively regarding Starship ocean landings, reusable rocket development, and NASA contract work includin...
Blue Origin
Mentioned as billionaire-led space company competing with SpaceX for NASA contracts and influencing space exploration...
NASA
Referenced for Artemis missions, partnerships with SpaceX and Blue Origin, and White House administration directives
ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor)
European Tokamak fusion facility discussed as serious near-term attempt at sustained fusion within approximately one ...
National Ignition Facility
U.S. laser fusion facility that demonstrated energy gain from hydrogen fuel pellet compression two years prior to epi...
CERN
Mentioned for recent antimatter containment demonstrations including truck transport of antimatter within facility
People
David Kipping
Authored paper on stellar kinematics and optimal interstellar expansion strategies addressing Fermi Paradox
Adam Frank
Co-authored paper with Kipping on stellar flyby optimization for galactic exploration efficiency
Enrico Fermi
Historical figure whose paradox about absence of alien civilizations is discussed through modern stellar kinematics lens
Quotes
"fuel is leaked into the ocean at all times, that I'm sure a small marina somewhere on the west coast of Canada, all of the combined ships are leaking fuel that is the same or more than what you get out of a Starship crashing into the ocean"
HostEarly segment
"the brute forces and it spends all the money gets the entire galaxy explored, colonized in 10 million years. But the one that waits for all of the close flybys of the stars, it only takes them a couple of extra million years and they save 90 percent of their fuel"
HostAlpha Centauri discussion
"Anti matter is really a form of energy storage that anti matter is the most efficient method of generating energy that we know of"
HostPropulsion segment
"My job is to report on the things that actually happen. I really try to minimize as much of that kind of political influence"
HostSpaceX commentary section
"black holes, once something becomes black hole, there are only three ways that you can measure a black hole. You can measure its mass, the total amount of stuff that has gone into the black hole, the spin, and the charge"
HostBlack hole physics segment
Full Transcript
Should we just wait and let Alpha Centauri get closer? Which will happen first, anti-batter propulsion or fusion power? What are the consequences of crashing rockets into the ocean? And in Q&A Plus, can we detect the magnetic fields of planets being torn apart by black holes? All this and more in this Question Show. It's time for the Question Show, your questions, my answers, as always wherever you are across my channel if a question pops in your brain, just write it down, I'll gather them up and I will answer them here. Alright, let's get into the questions. Hi, I'm Yohando. Are there consequences for crashing a rocket in the ocean besides killing the local poor lobsters? I feel like the world should frown on this. I mean, there are obviously consequences, but it really depends on where the rocket crashes, what's on the rocket, and you have to put that into context with the other things that are happening on planet Earth. So when you have a rocket that is like, say, Starship, when Starship is landing in the Indian Ocean, in the middle of the Indian Ocean, it is thousands of meters deep, the water there, and so this thing is sinking down to the bottom of the ocean. Now it is going to release some fuel into the ocean wherever it crashes, but fuel is leaked into the ocean at all times, that I'm sure a small marina somewhere on the west coast of Canada, all of the combined ships are leaking fuel that is the same or more than what you get out of a Starship crashing into the ocean. That if you're concerned about fuel leaks, boy, can we clean that up? Oil tankers that are heading off across the ocean carrying millions of gallons of oil, like just think about the terrible disasters that happen when these things crash, even if they don't. I mean, they are leaking fuel into it. You can go out and look at the ocean and you can sometimes see a sheen of oil on the ocean, that there are pollutants in that ocean. So always you have to put in context with the other things that are happening. Are we concerned about rockets crashing into the ocean? If we're concerned about pollutants, there are easier, quicker, more bigger levers that we can pull on. Are we concerned about metal going into the ocean? Not really. In fact, it appears that when, say, ships are sunk, these provide really interesting useful habitats for sea life that you get a restoration of sea life. And so a lot of the times they will take old ships, they will strip them, all of the toxic parts off of the ships, and then they'll sink them. And then you come back a couple of years later and the thing is covered by coral and fish have returned and there's a lot of stuff that is going on. And then you can balance that with a number of ships that are going into an amount of garbage, the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, the amount of plastics that are being dumped into the oceans by all of the world's rivers. And so I think it's really important when we see these kinds of things and we feel very frustrated by events that are happening. We look at this rocket crashing into the ocean, exploding, sinking into the water and like that felt wasteful. That felt bad. That instinct should then be matched to some other instinct that says, huh, I am concerned about the state of the planet's health. I'm concerned about the pollution that humanity is causing to the planet. I should investigate and contribute and think about how I can participate or at least draw a light to the things that are causing damage to our planet because there are things that human beings are doing right now. Methane leaks, obviously putting carbon emissions into the atmosphere that are causing all kinds of short term and long term damage to the planet and to life and to humanity's stability in the kind of climate that we had become accustomed to. And so I think you have to put these things into context. Rockets definitely release carbon dioxide when they launch, but there are tens of thousands of airplanes flying every single day. And so the amount of carbon dioxide that rockets release is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent compared to ship traffic, car traffic, plane traffic. That if you're concerned about these kinds of things, there are a lot of things that we should do that would allow us to reduce our impact on planet Earth. And that that should be your trigger to say, oh, yeah, I care about this. Let me look into how I can encourage more transit in my city compared to people driving cars or I should vote for people who are looking to push more efficient fuel standards. There is 100 tons of debris from space raining down on planet Earth across the entire planet every single day, just little bits of metal and rock coming from space. And it's just raining down on the planet across the entire planet. That is just that is the background. And a lot of those are like on your roof, which is very cool. But so so it's just like super important to to put these kinds of concerns into context for what is the larger damage that humanity is doing to the planet? Or really how humanity is risking itself. Gadzooks, do you think we might have to wait 5,000 years to send humans to Alpha Centauri when it will be a lot closer? Now, I don't know the exact orbital mechanics of the sun versus Alpha Centauri as they move around the Milky Way. But, you know, all of the stars are moving relative to each other and and that there were times in the past and not a long time in the past, like say 50,000 years ago when a star came within one light year of the sun, which is kind of crazy. Like we would look up when we see this very, very bright star that was very close to us and there are times in the in the past in the future when stars will come within a tenth of a light year of us, that it will be by far the most bright. I guess the second brightest star, if you're going to be, you know, really particular about this. But yeah, that that the configuration of the stars that we see in the sky are are just an example of our current time. You go forward 100,000 years, a couple of 100,000 years and the big dipper no longer looks recognizable, which I find a mind blowing idea already. But so let's think about what it's going to take to be able to go to like say Alpha Centauri. And, you know, science fiction has filled our heads with the idea that we're just a couple of decades away from us pulling together everybody and putting them on an interstellar mission. You know, the year is 2280 and the mining ship is has arrived at Alpha Centauri or whatever. And the reality is that it's just like the amount of energy involved. The technology required to keep humans alive for that kind of a duration is ludicrous and beyond our capabilities. And one of the most interesting papers that I've read on this subject is called the weight calculation. The gist is that, let's say you send a colony ship to Alpha Centauri and then 10 years later, the technology is much better. And so now you send a new colony ship to Alpha Centauri and it passes the first colony ship and they look through the window and the people on the first one are very sad because now they left earlier. Now they have a longer trip to get to Alpha Centauri while the other ship is already on its way and it's going to arrive there earlier. And then 10 years later, you've got new propulsion technology and a new colony ship goes and it passes the first and the second. Well, there is a time that you have to wait where you're not going to pass the other. Like that is like the best strategy is to just wait until the technology has matured to the point that you can reach this other star system. So there is going to be a a natural number. And that there will be a year if you put in all your estimates and your assumptions, you'll be able to calculate the year when humanity is likely to have the technology to be able to send a colony ship to Alpha Centauri. And I don't know what that number is, right? It could be 500 years from now. It could be 10,000 years from now. It will be some number. So that's sort of like the first thing to kind of keep in your brain and that the closer the stars are, the the less time, the less technology, the sooner we could attempt that various idea. And so one of the really interesting ideas, you know, if you sort of go back to the Fermi paradox and when Enrico Fermi was looking at the Milky Way and thinking about, you know, the universe is big and it's old and and life on Earth formed as soon as it could and it's feasible. You know, the laws of physics don't prevent us from going to other star systems. Where is everybody that maybe it would take you 10 million years to be able to send a spacecraft to every star system in the entire Milky Way? And yet we don't see the the exploring von Norman probes coming from all of these other civilizations. But recently there was a paper David Kipping worked on it. And Adam Frank and some other people said, well, if you consider the close flybys of all of these stars, that instead of you saying, we're just going to brute force go from this star to the next two stars to the next two stars, instead, if you just wait 10,000 years, 50,000 years, you just wait on average for stars to get extremely close and then you just leapfrog to the next star. It actually doesn't add very much time to your total exploration time that that the civilization, the brute forces and it spends all the money gets the entire galaxy explored, colonized in 10 million years. But the one that waits for all of the close flybys of the stars, it only takes them a couple of extra million years. Like it is not a lot and they save 90 percent of their fuel because they did this in the most efficient way. So there's a lot to be said for looking at the kinematics of the stars in the Milky Way and then timing your expansion as long as you're patient, right, timing your expansion to match when all of the pathways are as quick and as low energy as possible. And that still gets you to a fully explored or colonized galaxy in a realistically reasonable amount of time, which makes the Fermi Paradox even weirder that for all the people who say we can never travel to Alpha Centauri. One thing you say, well, what if Alpha Centauri was a tenth of its distance? What if it was only of, you know, 0.4 light years? What if it was 0.04 light years away? Could we get there then and that the longer you're willing to wait, the closer stars will come on average. That's crazy. And yet that is what's happening out there in the Milky Way. It's time to shout out all the new five dollar patrons at above. Ben Walker, David, I.D.G. Mike Cutley, Mark Sprule, Tyler Holt, Chris Lucero, Beakley, Tino Cole, Austin Weber and Gary. Join the club at Patreon and ComSci Universe today. Fermi's proponent, antimatter, power first or fusion? I think we're going to see fusion power first. Now, the joke, of course, is that fusion power is always a 30 years away. But at this point, we are seeing the development of a large Tokamak facility in Europe, the Eider facility. And it is, I don't know, a decade away from attempting its first fusion. They're going to start with deuterium fusion or tritium fusion. And they're going to move their way up as they get better and better at the technology. And this is a serious attempt. This is a, OK, we think we understand the fundamentals of fusion. Let's spend the money to build a giant machine that should be able to create sustained fusion. But you've got other work. The Germans are doing this. The Chinese are doing this. You're seeing better and better fusion is going on. And so I think we're going to see the synthesis of all of this and that maybe 30 years from now, somebody will demonstrate sustained fusion that produces more energy than it takes in. And, you know, we saw a couple of years ago, the National Ignition Facility in the United States test laser fusion where they fired a whole bunch of lasers at a little pellet of hydrogen fuel. And they were able to generate more power out of the fuel than they put into it. But that didn't account for all of the lasers that they had to do. So that was not cost effective while these Tokamaks may very well get to a place where you're just getting cost effective fusion that is coming out of the of the facility. And then the the market forces will probably work to bring those costs down and make it more efficient and make it more reliable and so on and so forth. So anti matter is actually not a form of energy generation. Anti matter is really a form of energy storage that anti matter is the most efficient method of generating energy that we know of. You take matter, you take anti matter, you touch them together, you get pure gamma radiation coming off of that annihilation. And so if you can go and take a giant particle accelerator, generate anti matter, somehow capture it, store it in some location, then when you need a very compact form of energy, you take your anti matter, you just find some local matter, you put them together, tons of energy. You've done that. And and the consequences of this. And I think the question you're really asking is, you know, we're going to have fusion rockets or kind of anti matter rockets. And we're still probably going to have fusion rockets before because we are already seeing some really interesting ideas for fusion rockets, direct fusion rockets where where it's like that it's halfway point between a thermonuclear weapon that is being detonated in some level of control versus an actual controlled fusion reactor that's pumping out electricity. Right. Like we're we're on the spectrum in between those. And this technology is maturing. Some people have made some really interesting advances. I've reported on them. NIAC has been funding various fusion engine concepts. There's a lot of companies that are working on that. If you do search on my channel for fusion rocket, you will probably be able to watch a bunch of interviews. People are working on anti matter storage. CERN recently announced that they had gathered a bunch of anti matter, put it on a truck, move the truck around the CERN facility, put it back into a different system for doing testing, and they were able to hang on to it. So anti matter containment is coming along. But it is a battery. Anti matter is not like let's just harness the anti matter that's everywhere. No, it is let's use fusion or fission or solar powers to generate anti matter. And then let's store it so that we can then use it in a compact form later on. But I think we are absolutely going to see fusion come first, then anti matter. Anti matter is great. Anti matter is the most compact form. It is probably the system that gets us to the stars that there's almost like apart from a light sale, there's really nothing that has the energy density that is required to be able to accelerate a rocket to another star system than anti matter. And so we will need to master it before we can make an attempt to send spacecraft to other star systems. I think laser sales get us probes to do fly throughs over the star systems. Anti matter rockets give us maneuverability, carrying crew, passengers, colony ships, DNA factories, things like that. Brenda Fry, when a planet is gobbled up by a black hole, would the planetary magnetic field be measurable as it is destroyed? Sort of. So black holes, once something becomes black hole, there are only three ways that you can measure a black hole. You can measure its mass, the total amount of stuff that has gone into the black hole, the total amount of energy, the total amount of dark matter, the total amount of anti matter, it all turned into black hole. That becomes the mass. That is one number. The second number is the spin. How is this thing rotating? And black holes, as they turn, will actually tangle up space time around them. You can measure that tangling of space time as these things are spinning. And you can measure that rotation rate. Generally, black holes are spinning as fast as they can, as fast as is permitted by general relativity, that there is this maximum speed that you just can't kind of push a black hole to spin faster and faster than that. But theoretically, you take a black hole and you could feed it material that was going in in the opposite direction of its spin. And you could slow a black hole back down until it stops. So you can kind of manipulate the spin of a black hole. And then the last thing you can measure is the the charge, the magnetic charge of a black hole. And once again, like this mass, like the spin, the magnetic charge is the sum of all of the electromagnetic charges that have gone into the black hole. So if you only fed a black hole electrons, then it would be negatively charged and it would be significantly negatively charged. And it would be attracted to positive charges that if there was things that were nearby that were the opposite charge, then the black hole would literally move towards them or those things would move towards the black hole in addition to the gravity. But the thing is, is that electromagnetic charges can be positive and negative. And so over the sort of larger scale, they tend to even out and average out. And so while a black hole does have the charge, the sum charge of all the stuff that went into, it is generally balanced. And so you're asking, you know, would you be able to measure the planetary magnetic field to the planetary magnetic field, all the particles that are in the magnetic field, the magnetism of the dynamo at the center of the planet has a charge and that will be added to the black hole and the black hole will get the mass of the planet, the black hole will get the spin imparted by the material that it adds from the planet and the black hole will get the average charge that came from that entire planet and that will add or subtract to its existing ledger. All right, those are all of the questions that we had this episode. Thank you, everyone, who asked your questions into the YouTube comments, everybody who joined me for the live show. I'm going to go on a rant about space six coverage. But first, I'd like to thank our patrons. Thanks to Abe Kingston, Andrea Pardretti, Brian Bode, a character in Chakaoka and Skwinder Bale like Darkfinga, David Guilton, David Matz, and Thrall the Reading and Math for toddlers, Eric Lindstrom, Evan Dupro, James Clark, Jeremy Madden, Jordan Young, Marcel Smith, Michael Purcell, Nord Space, one step, animals.org, please follow me if you had VBrick six nine nine four, Ren Kaidu, Richard Williams, Sean Sargent, Steven Fallon, the team 49, Telsops Canada, Vlad Jepelin, Wolfgang Klotz and Zeldelberg Galactic Coventry who support us at the master of the universe level. All our patrons always support means the universe to us. So I got this comment from Bass Finnis. This is swiftly turning into a musk fanboy space. Thanks for the comment, Bass Finnis. Now, I'm not sure whether you were talking about me, my reporting, or you were talking about the comments that other people were making on the video. And so I'm going to sort of err on the side of caution on this in my response. But still, you know, often when I make various comments and editorialize or report on stuff about SpaceX, I get accused of being a musk hater, of being a SpaceX hater and not being excited enough about what SpaceX is doing in their dramatic contribution to human spaceflight. But of course, in the same videos, I will also get the opposite, which is what people are saying that I am too excited about what SpaceX is doing and too much of a fanboy. And so, you know, I always take that as a badge of honor when both people are accusing me of being overly hostile to SpaceX, as well as being overly excited and too much of a fanboy. I must be sort of walking some kind of neutral line right in between. And obviously, as a space journalist, it is a very complicated time to report on what's happening with SpaceX and just like space exploration in general, it is jumped out of being purely just, hey, space school, here's the things that are happening into a more political forum. And, you know, there's a White House administration and the White House is setting the directives for what they want NASA to do. There is a Congress and the Senate that are pushing back against the priorities from the White House. You have billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and others who are influencing the conversation as they develop their own space companies and that there is this layer of stories on top of that, that people are sort of bringing this perspective to what these companies are doing. On the one hand, people see them as being sort of crusaders for human exploration of the cosmos. And then on the other hand, people see them as being the billionaire class, the oligarchs that are stealing the money from regular people. And the reality is this sort of complex mush that's in between. And so my job as a space journalist or as a journalist in general is to try desperately to report on the objective facts that are happening. You cannot just say, La, La, La, Space Excess and Exist, nothing is happening. Right. They are involved in launching communication satellites in launching NASA missions and, of course, the development of whatever is the next fully reusable two-seats rocket or not. If that doesn't fail, they're responsible for developing the landing system for the upcoming Artemis 4 mission. They're supposed to demonstrate reusability and reuse and refueling in space. This is something that they are stem-sibly working towards. We can see the reality, which is that rockets land either at their launch pads. They land on drones out in the ocean. We are watching them getting caught by Mechazilla. Some people say that that's just ridiculous. It's not going to go anywhere. Other people think that that the colonization of the Milky Way is right around the corner. My job is to report on the things that actually happen. I really try to minimize as much of that kind of political influence. You can't not talk about it, but I really try to minimize it. I barely say the names of the leaders who run these companies. I focus on the activities of the companies themselves, the missions they're launching, and the contribution made by the engineers that work at these various companies. And the overlap between what NASA is doing with both Blue Origin and SpaceX. But I know that a lot of people that have emotions that are mixed up into this. I can't not report on it. And I need to be very careful that I don't overly report on it in ways that are overly enthusiastic and excited about things that we watch timelines stretch out. We watch rockets explode. We know the challenges. We watch money being lost by gigantic space conglomerates. So it is a very complicated world. And what I can guarantee to you is that I will just continue to report on what I see on what happens on the concrete things that are done. And so those things will be good for humanity. Some of those things are going to be bad for humanity. That is what news does. That is journalism. And together, we will be able to look back in a couple of decades and be able to trace the path of what actually happened, not how we were feeling about it in the moment. All right, we'll see you next time.