Ali Macofsky Loves Corporations
65 min
•Sep 4, 20258 months agoSummary
Ali Macofsky joins Caleb Hearon for a wide-ranging conversation covering comedy, improv training at Groundlings, personal anecdotes about growing up in Missouri and California, and surprisingly, a candid discussion about her appreciation for corporations and their operational efficiency.
Insights
- Improv training reveals the importance of shedding defensive 'cool girl' personas to build authentic creative communities and friendships
- Personal branding and performative moments often drive consumer choices over actual preference or utility
- Generational shifts in corporate perception: younger audiences may view large corporations more pragmatically than ideologically
- The tension between authentic self-presentation and curated social moments affects how people experience everyday activities
- Accessibility and convenience in services (like healthcare in retail spaces) can be weaponized as corporate goodwill while avoiding systemic change
Trends
Improv and sketch comedy as gateway to building professional creative networks outside traditional stand-up circuitsMillennial/Gen-Z ambivalence toward corporate ethics versus operational appreciationPerformative consumption and 'moment-chasing' as dominant consumer behavior patternNostalgia-driven retail experiences (Cracker Barrel, Walmart) attracting coastal audiences unfamiliar with regional chainsDiscourse weaponization of design/branding choices as proxies for larger political argumentsAging-out of unwanted sexual attention in creative industries and its psychological impactThird-space discourse becoming oversaturated and losing practical meaning in cultural conversation
Topics
Improv training and sketch comedy educationStand-up comedy career developmentCorporate ethics versus operational efficiencyRetail chain branding and rebrandingPerformative consumption and social media aestheticsWorkplace dynamics and employee relationsGender dynamics in comedy and creative industriesLow-wage worker exploitation and labor conditionsReligious youth experiences and community buildingThird spaces and community gatheringAging and desirability in social hierarchiesGroundlings improv school and indie comedy circuitsSNL audition process and character workWalmart labor practices and healthcare accessibility
Companies
Groundlings
Ali is taking improv classes at this Los Angeles-based improv school and advancing through their structured curriculum
Walmart
Discussed as example of corporation Ali appreciates for efficiency; mentioned Walmart Health program that closed in 2024
Cracker Barrel
Discussed regarding recent rebrand controversy and its appeal to coastal audiences unfamiliar with regional chains
Apple
Named as one of Ali's favorite corporations for operational efficiency and teamwork
Target
Mentioned as major corporation in context of Ali's appreciation for large retail operations
BlackRock
Referenced as major corporation in discussion of Ali's corporate appreciation
McDonald's
Discussed regarding nostalgic experiences, birthday parties with Ronald, and recent rebranding away from colorful aes...
Taco Bell
Mentioned as example of corporation that used to be 'goofy' before rebranding toward minimalism
Sonic
Referenced as example of appealing gas station model with roller-skate service and milkshakes
Carnival Cruise Line
Ali mentioned loving cruise lines as corporations she can get behind, though notes Carnival is too commercially disco...
HSBC
Sponsor/advertiser for the episode with wealth management messaging
People
Caleb Hearon
Host of the podcast conducting the interview with Ali Macofsky
Ali Macofsky
Guest discussing her comedy career, improv training, and personal perspectives on corporations and consumer behavior
Virginia
Produces and posts clips from the show; runs all social media for the podcast
Marc Maron
Ali mentioned appearing on his podcast as part of her comedy career credentials
Ray Oldenburg
US sociologist who coined the term 'third space' in his 1989 book 'The Great Good Place'
Harris Dickinson
Actor Ali expressed attraction to; discussed his Instagram presence and relationship status
Quotes
"I love corporations. Which ones are your favorites? All of them. I think I'm so impressed by teamwork. Yeah, by like making something work efficiently even if it's through horrible ethics."
Ali Macofsky•Mid-episode
"I'm always trying to have a moment. I'll order something or like do something that's not in my best interest or what I want, but I'm like but it will look cuter or more fun."
Ali Macofsky•Late episode
"The cost of community is inconvenience."
Caleb Hearon•Mid-episode discussion
"I had this walled off mentality of like, I've got my stand up community. I've done Marin's podcast. And I don't need you guys."
Ali Macofsky•Improv section
"You don't want to be holding this. I think, yeah, most things I do are fine when other people do them really bad."
Caleb Hearon•Opening segment
Full Transcript
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I think, yeah, most things I do are fine when other people do them really bad. You and I are locked in on this. Okay, great. Yeah. What do you do that you think other people shouldn't do? Most. My attitude in general. Okay. My countenance, my disposition in general is not... You know that thing in philosophy where is it Kant? Who wasn't... No. You already lost me. Who was it in philosophy that's like, you should behave in a way that if everyone did it, the world would work? Oh, I love that as a philosophy. I don't do that. I love that as a philosophy. I will behave in a way that I'm like, well, it's okay, because mostly only I'm doing it. I feel like a good one that comes to mind is like people talk about playing etiquette. Deborting, like don't stand up as soon as the plane lands. And I'm like, yeah, but I want to stand up. Yeah, I'm going to stand up. No one else should, but I want to. They also, I do think with the plane landing thing specifically, people go, there's no reason, there is a reason. I fucking hate that chair and I've been sitting in it for four hours. And we're trying to get off. I want to move my body now. Yeah, I want to be ready. There's no reason. I want to be ready, because you know what else is going to piss me off when people aren't standing and I'm trying to get off the plane. Dude, I've been saying. People also say there's no reason to rush onto the plane if the seats are assigned. Yes, there is overhead bin space, overhead bin space. And also let me just sit down. Let me, let me get to where I'm going. Let me just get settled in. I love getting settled in. I have my little bag. I want to pull some things out. And if I have a beverage in my hand, God forbid I'm stuck there one handed. I want to set everything down. What are you pulling out of your bag? I'm pulling out headphones. Yeah, I'm an iPad girl. So I love having my iPad. Yeah. What else? I'll pull out a book that I'm not going to read on the fly. Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big one. But I'm pulling it out so people know I am capable of reading. What else am I pulling out? Some chargers, maybe a sleep mask. If I'm feeling really Virgo, then I'll pull out some hand wipes. What about Virgo makes the hand wipes come out? People, I don't know actually, but it's my birthday. So I'm just trying to kind of like. When's your birthday? September 8th, Virgo. Oh, okay. So I'm just trying to like kind of bring it up as often as possible. Like Virgo. Got you. I thought you were trying to tell me that today is your birthday. No, no, no. And I was like, that's crazy. You should not be there. As much as I love you, yeah, I would not celebrate my day with my podcast. Well, no, I was like, please don't be doing that. Yeah, no. Yeah. I won't be doing anything on my birthday. But I think like, I think Virgos are like very clean, organized, tidy. So that's where it comes out. And do you relate to that? In some ways, yeah. Yeah. In some ways, I can be like a clean, tidy girl. Yeah, which ways? I'm just asking. I'm thinking of the really specific way where you're clean and tidy. It's like, it's very internal. Like, like I love, I love a list. Yeah. I love a calendar. My iPhone calendar, I'll put in there like brush teeth. Yeah. It's like I'm going to do it, but I want it in the calendar as well. Yeah. And I'll move it around. Like if I start my day late, I'm like, we'll move it to noon. Yeah. We'll brush teeth later. Yeah. Yeah. So I like, I like a list. I like a plan. I like that a lot. Yeah. I really like that. But then my house is kind of a mess. There's dust bunnies everywhere. Dust is hard. Dust. There's so much dust. It really accumulates in a weird way. And then I bought one of these, you know, when the fires are happening, everyone's getting these air purifiers. Yeah. So I buy an air purifier. And now I have to clean the damn air purifier. That's the thing. I just, I want a device that doesn't need me to clean it. Yeah. I do, there's so many things that I do that require like a follow up that I just, after its first use, I go, that's the end of it. Yeah. I'm not following it. I'm not changing the filter. I'm not resetting the set. I'm not, I can't. I keep vacuuming the outside of the air purifier. And I'm like, this will have to do. You think that's doing it? No. Right. But it's making me feel good enough about it. Yeah. I'm like, the filter doesn't need to be changed. That's really beautiful. Yeah. It's just making you feel good enough about it. That's a beautiful way to look at the world. Yeah. I mean that. And maybe I'm like a philosopher in that way. I do think you're a philosopher in some way. Well, you know comedians are. The modern, yeah, the modern philosophers. When I'm talking about how many flaps are on a vagina, it's a philosophy. How many are? A lot. I mean, I think a lot. Is that standard for everybody audition? I think everyone usually has the same amount, but I think visually it can look like more or less. So it's a bit of an illusion. Because sometimes they're hidden. What? Sometimes that. I mean, I've been around one. You've seen? I was trying not to. Do you know when you see a car wreck? Yeah. That, like I felt like, of course I was curious when I was down there. The couple times I was around vagina. You don't want to be around for too long. But I was just, I was like, I was like, ugh, you know. You don't want to have to stay to make a statement. You don't want to stare into it and accidentally see something. Totally. Yeah, I don't want to stick around and make a statement. I just don't want to really be involved. And that's how I probably knew I shouldn't be in there. But the flaps are interesting. What do they do? They protect. From what? They protect, they cushion. From what? Life's elements. My jeans right now, if I didn't have those flaps, eeeeeee. Oh, the scrapies, scrapies, scrapes. Yeah. That's sensitive. Well, the, my situation is so external with the penis and balls. Totally. And I envy that. I love what you have going on down there. I haven't seen it, but I've seen others. Really? And I just think it's so ergonomic. And it's like, I don't want to make this like a binary like men versus women thing. No, but there's only two, yeah. But there's two. Which is easy. Yeah. It's simple. Yeah. And I just think the penis is like so perfect. Yeah. I really have to agree with you. Yeah. It's like there's no confusion. Yeah. Like you don't need an Ikea manual for it. No, it's just a straightforward thing. If you were to pick up a penis from Ikea, you'd be like, I don't, put the manual away. I don't need this. And it's a one person job. That's vagina by the way. What is vagina? Ikea furniture. Totally. Yeah. You need the manual and you need an extra person to help out. You need a task rabbit. Yeah. You need the person who, the person who owns it has to be there to tell you about it. And you need a truck to pick it up. Yeah. You need a truck to pick it up. Yeah. It's like a whole, you have to clear like an afternoon to figure out what to do with it. Exactly. Yeah. I find it so complicated vagina. It is. Sometimes though, when I say things on this show, like, I'll say like, like just a second ago when I said there's only two genders, I really will get called a bigot online. Oh my God. Can you believe that? I can't wait. I know. It's really funny to me. It's so funny because you've built an incredible fan base. Oh, knock it off. Your camera is there. You've built such an amazing following. No, they're really great. But it is baffling when some people come along and they don't understand. It's like, no, like these people like me because of this. And you're like, why are you here? Well, I've seen, I see. If you're taking it. I've seen the, I've been called a bigot a couple of times. I've also seen like, he's a mean gay. It's like you're 12. Yeah. You are a 12 year old child. You don't exist in the real world. If you think I mean, you have got a whole lot of other stuff coming. It's really just not, I see that stuff and I go, you cannot possibly think I'm being serious. Totally. About vagina, et cetera, you know. Yeah. You ever do vagina? Sexually? Yeah. Someone else's? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have a boyfriend. He won't let me. He won't let you. He won't let me. That doesn't, and I know your boyfriend, that doesn't seem like him at all. I know. But men can be so complicated. Yeah. Yeah. So selfish. Men are quite selfish. I'm like, here's the thing. He has his, you know, penis. Easy. Totally. Easy to use. That's awesome. I have vagina, complicated. Yeah. Why not let other people help me out with the vagina? Tour around in there. Yeah. It's like, oh, you think you're doing a good job? Yeah. Oh, you think you got it nailed down? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, let someone else get in there and tool around. Yes, please. And just, you know, get another set of hands under the hood. Yeah, get an Allen wrench. Yeah. That might feel good. That might feel good. Put an Allen wrench in there? Yeah. So, Allie, you recently... You recently started taking improv classes, huh? Stop. The word is traveling. I did say it publicly. Yeah. The word is traveling. I've been talking about it. I've been talking about it. I won't stop talking about it. It's so fun. And where are you taking it? Groundlings. Groundlings. Yeah. Oh, so you're not fucking around. I'm not fucking around. Which is serious. Yeah, but also, like, scheduling-wise, I haven't really been taking those many classes lately. Yeah. Aren't they like a set time per week that you're just supposed to go to? Yeah. Yeah, but there's like... I mean, I don't want to get into the mnuch of the Groundlings scheduling program. I'm like, if you do... Okay. Our listeners are dying for it. Okay, so if anyone's interested, you go to the website. You hit school and you have to start at the basic level. No matter how good you think you are, everyone starts in basic. Which we can all agree is stupid and silly. So stupid and silly. Yeah. Because obviously you can tell from the basic classes that I'm a star. Right. Yeah. You look around, you go Jerry, who's 80 years old. Yeah. Oh, the lawyer. Yeah. There's always a lawyer. There's always a lawyer. And by the way, a huge part of taking improv classes and pursuing that training is making friends. And I'm sure you saying that on this podcast will go a long way. Well, you know what I realized? Say it now. I was doing... I was doing cool girl in improv. Fuck. Which is not good. And I learned that quickly. Yeah. Because in basic, I was like, you guys are freaks. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm in the same class as you guys. Meanwhile, here you are, rolling around on the floor. Yeah. Yeah. Barking like a dog. Yeah. How did you have the realization? Well, so then I advanced. I got to the next level. Yeah. And I show up and I'm like, some of you are still freaks. However. However, there's some cool people here. Yeah. But because I had this walled off mentality of like, I've got my stand up community. Yeah. I've done Marin's podcast. Yeah. And others that I won't name. I don't need you guys. Yeah. I've got my community. I've done Marin, etc. Etc. Yeah. You can Google it. Yeah. There's Marin and plenty more. And others. Yeah. So I was like, I'm good. Yeah. And then there were like, actually like these cool girls. But because I had this like walled off thing, it took me so long to like initiate like, can I be friends with you? Yeah. Do you want to be friends? What did you, how'd you do it? I think eventually I was like, that was really funny what you did. And they were like, thanks girl. Yeah. And then we hit it off. So now those are my girls, my groundlings girls. If you, if this was taking place in Chicago in 2017, you guys would already be an indie team trying to set up shows right now. I would love that. That was the move back then is you'd be like, I found a couple people I think are funny. We hit it off in class. Now we're an indie team. Our name is Fox Dick. What bar will have us? Yeah. I love that energy. I'm like, I'm nostalgic for an experience I haven't even had. I remember, I remember the like the first Thanksgiving I went home after moving to Chicago, I was like updating my, my family on my life. And I was telling them, it was like, oh yeah, I got, I left that job. I'm like doing this for money now. And they're like, how much do you make it? And I was like, oh, like 28,000 a year. And they're like, whew. And then I was like, I was like, yeah, I got this indie team. I'm really excited about, we're kind of working the indie improv circuit in Chicago. And when I said we're working the indie improv circuit in Chicago, when I tell you, everyone just kind of went anyway. And they all like found something to do. They were like, those vegetables need to be cut. You know what I mean? Like no one was interested in that. Also you know that they had no idea what the indie improv circuit was, but they also did not want to ask. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because it's barely a circuit. It's like bar shows. It's like circuit. It was crazy. You know what I love? Say it. Tell me how you feel about this. Say it now. Well, the show in Chicago at the Green Mill on paper machete. Paper machete. It's my favorite. Well, Virginia and I did paper machete together several times as a duo. Wow. That's kind of how we solidified our friendship in Chicago. Wow. Yeah. She's sitting right over there. She runs all the social media. For people watching and listening, if you've ever enjoyed a clip from this show, Virginia made it and posted it for you. So we just love her. Virginia. Shout out to Virginia. The only person who works on this show. Big laugh from Casey. Hard swallow from Chance. Silence. Yeah. No, but uh. I love the paper machete. It's a great show. It's so fun. It's a great show. You've done it. And I love, now that I'm an improv girl, I love all these fucking improv freaks. Yeah. Yeah. There's some guy. There's some girl. They were great. You don't remember their names? No. One of them, I know his Instagram's like, I would have to look. Will. Will. Will. And Jen. Will and Jen. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I don't know who they are, but I'm sure they're fabulous. Jen has choose JenCon on Instagram. Okay. She does like musical improv and it's so funny. That's good. Because that's usually pretty hit or miss. Oh my God. It's so good. And then this guy will. I love him. Yeah. What's he do? He does. Um, he'll do like a kind of a monologue, a topical monologue. So the last time I saw him, he was, he was talking. I don't remember and I don't want to talk about it. I'm not having fun. So what's the plan with, um, what's the plan with improv? You're going to put up a show? No, no. I'm, um, okay. I will say, I thought I was crushing it. I thought I was so good. I had my big show, you know, I passed my advanced level. We put on a big show for the advanced class and I dragged my boyfriend there because he doesn't want to support me in any way, but I dragged him. He's there and he was like, honestly, that was good. And I was like, if he's saying that he's a certified hater. Yeah, he really is. He's a certified hater. I love him down, but he's the, he's the last person I'd want to bring to an improv show. I'll tell you that. Totally. So he's like, that was actually good. And I know that he would not gas me up. He wouldn't. He would not. Not like that. No. And so I'm like, okay. And this girl in the class, she's like, I'm going to set up a camera to film the show. And I was like, okay, but don't, I don't, I don't want you to post it. I have a career to uphold. Yeah, of course. And then after that, I've been on Marin and others. I've been on Marin and others. Yeah. And then after the show, I was like, can you actually send me the video? And thank you for recording. And I need to change my attitude quick. And so then I watched the video. It does not translate over video. Yeah, of course. It's not hitting the way that I thought it was hitting. Well, the magic's meant for the room. Yeah. As you know. Yeah. I know now. Yeah. But now I'm waiting to do like the writing classes because I want to, yeah, I want to do the writing part. Nice. To write sketch or to write? To get a right sketch. Yeah. Because then, yeah, in the writing class, then at the end you put on a show with your writing. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. What inspired you to start doing this? I, that's, it's really, your great interviewer. Ali, I want to just note that no fewer than five minutes ago you said, I don't want to talk about this. I'm not having fun. But I brought that upon myself. That was me. I don't know why I want. I think because I think I actually have no idea. No, come on. What feeling were you having that led you to do this? Okay. I know that people start improv when they're at a low moment. No. That was not what inspired this. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not an 80-year-old man. Here's what it was. I wanted to, oh, oh no, this is sad. I was surprised. Yeah. Of course. I'm not surprised to hear that. Of course. I'm not surprised about it. Come on. Okay. So I had submitted like an audition for SNL, like a, you know, a tape. Yeah. And it was so bad. Because I decided against, I'm sure everyone's best wishes for me. I was like, I'll do impressions and characters. I've never done them before, but surely I'll master them quickly enough to send this in. Yeah. And then I watched it back and I was like, why would I do that? Yeah. Why would I do that to myself? Makes sense. Yeah. So then I was like, you know what? I actually want to challenge myself and to like learn how to do this because with stand-up it's like, it's me. It's this voice the whole time. Yeah. It's like, and this is what I think about that. Yeah. And I was like, what if I let a little bit of fun into my life? Yeah. A little bit of whimsy. What's your favorite kind of relationship you think? Hmm. Dog human. You think? Wow. That's a big swing. No. Recently I've been loving my dog more than normal. Okay. But I'm not normally someone who's like dogs, dogs are more, I'd rather talk to a pet than a human. Yeah. I'm not one of those people. I think my favorite relationship would be customer service me. Yeah. It's like vulnerable enough and intimate enough that I like, but it's not like I could potentially go back to like said coffee shop or restaurant and like continue the relationship. But it's kind of on my terms. Anything else is a little bit too close. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Do you have an intimacy issue? I think so. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. I'm working through it, but yeah, I think I like, I like, I like distance. Yeah. Yeah. I have intimacy issues only in romance. I'll be so intimate with like a stranger on the street. Exactly. I'll be like so in love with someone I'm dating and I'll be like, what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. So that's my situation with it. Yeah. A stranger on the street. Yeah. Friends, coworkers. You know what my favorite relationship is? Police officer and person recording them who knows the law better than them. That's a good relationship. Isn't that a good one? Yeah. I like when that happens. That's very fun. And the cops like, do you want me to arrest you? You can't stand here. And he's like, per subsection 387, you can't bitch. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. All right, man. It's awesome. The cop never knows the bylaw. No, never. He never knows the subsections or anything. And so it's, and I almost, you know, you don't want to feel for the cop, of course, but it's like, it is impossible to know the law like that. It takes like a really autistic person with a YouTube channel. To know, to fully know the law, you have to be autistic and have a YouTube channel. But I, it is a very fun dynamic to watch that play out. You know what this just reminded me of? Say it. My favorite symbol. Whoa. My favorite symbol is that is in the sections. Do you know the symbol I'm talking about? Oh, yes. The law. In the contracts. What's the word for that? It's the little squiggly. It's like, it's not, it's like half ampersand, half infinity sign. It's gorgeous. And is that denote addendums? I have no idea. What does that denote? Chance Google, contract symbol, denote. What do we got? It is a really fun one, isn't it? Yeah, it's got like three lines. And I love that you just don't see it often. Yeah, it's very weird. Unless you're in court. It's very rare and sexy that symbol. You know, paralegals probably, you know what's funny? Paralegals probably don't find that symbol interesting at all. They hate it. They're probably sick of it. They're probably so sick of saying it, yeah. But then for someone like you and I who doesn't ever get to see it. It's a treat to the eyes. Isn't that funny? And I don't even think it's on the iPhone. I think if we were to try and text it to each other. Yeah. It might be. I don't know because it's so out of context. It's feeling weird and such bold. I would need to see it. Aggressive. Yeah, I would need to see it on a contract. But it feels almost right. That one below it almost feels closer. Like, yeah, when it's like kind of, oh no, no, no. That's really interesting. Yeah, see it's hard to find. Yeah, you don't even really know about it. You don't even know how to begin to look for it. I might have to like after this episode try and pull up a contract. Oh, those ones are right. That does feel good. Next to legal. Do those feel like it? Those feel. Those might be it. Now what does this mean? Law concept. No one cares about this, by the way. This is not going to hit for the fans. It's going to hit for like three other people. There's going to be like three paralegals watching this being like tell them. Finally. Anyway, we'll move on. But that is a great symbol. Yeah. Now I want to think of my favorite symbol. Really, oh, you know what? And I hope this is okay to say with the disability community. But when they have the bathrooms for the handicapable bathrooms and they have the wheelchair guy, but he's going fast as fuck. When he's like racing. Oh yeah. Because they used to have the wheelchair person just sitting there kind of laxadaisical like I'm in a wheelchair. But then for now for the bathrooms, they're like, they have like leaning forward and like racing because they are can be very fast. Wind. The chairs. Yeah. I like that. I think the disabled community likes that. I hope so. The new chairs. And I hope they do because I really like it and it made me think like they could be going really fast. Yeah. All those, it's like at the like country western establishments when the bathrooms like a little girl. Yeah. In like a dress. Yeah. Like you can get really creative with symbols. Yeah. It's almost always conservative the way that they specifically like a restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's like titties and whole and then it's like and then the other ones like low hanging hog and it's like, all right. They like they've gone further into gendering the bathrooms in a way that's like no one needed it and it's kind of sexual and threatening. Yeah. Really weird shit. Yeah. I do like it though. But then I do too and I like to be able to just pass through. Yeah. And be like now I'm a part of this culture for a moment and then you go into like a leftist place like a like a cool late night pizza joiner like a coffee shop or something and then they've gone too far in another direction where it's like we don't give a fuck just wash your hands. Yeah. And it's like okay. Like we took the door off because we don't even care what you're doing in there. We want to watch. And we want to see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they're all perverted in different ways. Yeah. The ones that are just I've ever seen the the lefty ones that are like it'll be like three different aliens in different sizes and it's like who cares be nice and I'm like where do I pee. Yeah. Yeah. Someone tell me where I pee. Yeah. Yeah. No symbols can be very powerful huh. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's like such an obvious one. Swastika. Okay. At least your symbol got to be swastika. Yeah. Yeah. It's down there. Yeah. Well I was thinking symbols like that I could find on my iPhone. I wasn't thinking like grand in that scenario I guess yeah swastika's up there although They said that this is every guy, you know back in the day. It actually was a symbol for peace Yeah, there's actually a Japanese symbol that's eerily similar It's like wow we I think we all know I did hook up with a guy who had a swastika tattoo And that was his reasoning before we go on are you gonna want us to keep this in? I feel comfy. Yeah, I'm cool because I'm I didn't see that I didn't see his body see that tattoo and go I gotta It was revealed later and the reason I feel okay is because I'm half Jewish You know so I feel like mom or dad dad and don't You knew you're setting me up And what difference does it make? I isn't in a pretty maternal lineage on that face? That's what they say, but I'm like, okay That's none of my business by the way. Yeah, thank you. I was Jewish for a couple weeks once. Oh, yeah Yeah, I was Christian for a couple years. How was it for you? I love it? My god youth group, I don't want to go to adult church But if I could go back to youth group, yeah, I would be there in a heartbeat. It really was fun Oh, I love worshiping. I love Hosanna. I love Hillsong United Hillsong United My god Yeah, too bad about all their beliefs, but the music is good Their music is good. I love getting baptized This was me wanting a bar mitzvah. I want I also wanted a bar mitzvah. Okay, so you just like to hang out I love community. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love community. Yeah, you're not Christian. You're just a good time. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I went to Christian sleep boy camp. Whoa Yeah, I was always really jealous of Jewish camps. So then summer camps. Yeah And do you want me to keep that in? And do you want us to keep that in? I was always really jealous of Jewish summer camps. Yeah Yeah, specifically. Jewish sleep boy camp so fun. Yeah, and getting to have the experience of both I will say the Jews know how to camp better. Really? Yeah, I never went to Christian sleep away camp. Christian sleep boy camp It's like God is too involved. They're so obsessed with Jesus that it infiltrates every element of camp Yeah, you can't wear a two-piece bathing suit. Why? Because Jesus. Yeah Like what's he doing? Like why is he a fucking pervert? Yeah, if he's gonna get worked up about me in a two-piece bathing suit, I have no tits. I'm in middle school Yeah, let me wear a two-piece bathing suit. I'm with you Jewish sleep away camp. You could just wear pasties little tassels on your tits Okay, they don't care. They're like have fun. Yeah, cuz you're a child. Yeah, you're trying. Yeah, who cares? Live it up. That makes sense to me. Oh No one gets fit. No one was getting fingered at Christian sleep away camp. Really? Yes, because God is watching Well, it's such a scary faith. Oh my god Someone cried at Christian sleep away camp because they had already had sex. Yeah, and I'm like tell us about it. I want to know So annoying Yeah, but there was a lot of there was a lot of stuff going down at the Jewish sleep away camp not for me But it for other people. Yeah, okay other people yeah I was observing that people were having a good time sexually. Wow. Yeah There was a there was a girl at my school who got pretty infamous one week for she gave two hand jobs behind the bowling alley and That was people were real like whoa She's a really cool name that I can't say because it's so specific that it's just like that's that girl But well, but do we know if that's true because I recently she was spreading she was yeah People were like you're like she gave two handles on the bowling on she's like my dad like she loved it Yeah, she was cool because I met up with a friend from high school recently and she's like oh, yeah You were like you were you were the girl who did anal and I was like excuse me What what was that yeah, dude there was a I vaguely remember there Well, I know there was a there was like a make-out spot in my hometown that was like like an old cemetery Yeah, and everyone called it paradise and had been around for like generations like people's grandparents made out of paradise You know and one one year when I was in high school the cops the cops were like no more paradise You guys can't make out at the graveyard and the whole town got so mad that they just like backed off of it The whole like the adults were like what the kids make out at paradise Why why didn't they want people making out at paradise? I guess the cops were just like that we shouldn't be letting teens just go to the cemetery and like and fuck around up there It's like dangerous. They're leaving alcohol bottles or something and then the parents were like come on man Cemetery is our third space. Yes. We need more third spaces. Yeah, I think do okay And you're I think you used it correctly, but do you think people that was my first time using yeah? Yeah Okay, I was wondering because people I don't think people are using it correctly I don't know if I used it correctly. I've heard it And I was like a joke in the correct way people are being like I love a third space and then they're like at a restaurant I'm like I don't is a restaurant a third space. It's a restaurant Yeah, I mean third space is supposed to be like a place where you don't spend money to hang out, isn't it? I think so. Yeah, like a guy like a place to gather. Yeah, like a gazebo in a park or something sure, right? Yeah, I also don't ever a library. Yes, but you can't be loud No, but I don't think that's a requirement of third space. I feel like libraries need to do some rebranding Oh, yeah, I feel like maybe because I feel like people you know The third space is a term coined by US sociologist Ray Oldenburg in his 1989 book the great good place It describes a place outside your home or work where you can relax and hang out your first place is your home a private and domestic space So maybe I'm wrong Maybe I'm wrong But I do think this happens every once in a while so the culture gets really the culture gets really hooked on one idea Yeah, you just have to hear about it forever Yeah, like right now it's this thing and I've been part of it and I actually really like it But there's I'm sure you've heard the bunch the like the cost of community is inconvenience. That's like a everyone's on that right now Yeah, and then I don't see many people acting differently, but I like that phrase. I think that's true, but it's just got it's getting you bit with us to a point now where I'm like All right now I'm feeling the need to be contrary and annoying about it, you know And I feel like sometimes like phrases like that will be weaponized Yeah, where it's like you'll ask someone to like I don't know do something for you take you to the airport and they're like Oh, so you don't want community When your house is burning yeah Why was there when your baby was sick? Yeah, so maybe take off work to take me to the airport. That's the cost of community Yeah, yeah, I think I really like it as an idea I wonder what it is in me that wants to stop hearing about it though, you know Because it's an idea that I do like yeah, maybe the phrasing it feels like it would be on a Wooden like a wooden Yeah, it would be etched in wood and told it cracker barrel. Yeah I Feel about that. I'm sad. Yeah, I love cracker barrel. Really I do Oh, wow, I love cracker. I love um, I love I grew up in Southern, California I grew up in Long Beach and so franchises and chains Like cracker barrel. Yeah, just didn't exist. That's a waffle house and others. Yeah, I'm Marin cracker barrel Others others. Yeah, they didn't exist. So I feel like when I travel and I see one. I'm like, I must go. Yeah I must go. That's really beautiful opposite for me. Mm-hmm chain restaurants only existed and then when I got to like Chicago and there were restaurants that were like farm to table like cute like chic restaurants I was like, whoa, that's crazy at first. I hated them because I was like, well, I don't know what none of these are a blooming onion I truly when I first moved out of Missouri as like a like a 22 year old I was like, why would we go to a restaurant that has tapas? Like I don't understand how to eat that. Yeah, we get nap. Why would we have a restaurant where the menu is changing seasonally? Yeah, I want to have a familiar favorite. I want my favorite dish. Yeah, get out of season. I don't want to look at the menu Yeah, see that's not a good way to eat though, right? Totally, but that was my life. Yeah. Yeah, you understand. Yeah, I do Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do Cracker Barrel, I here's what I'll say And they have games at the table by the way Here's what I'll say about everyone getting bent out of shape about the rebrand. Do I like the rebrand? No I think it's ugly and hideous But all these like left-wing people the right wing people are upset about it because they're like we like when America was white or whatever That's their thing. They're like they're like it used to be okay to be a white man in a rocking chair or whatever They've got the whole own thing with it But then leftist people when I make fun of the right wing people they're going they're going well, you know stripping color and character from Branding is part of fascism. They're all really on that right now. Oh, right McDonald McDonald's being brown and gray now That's fascism. I'm like, you know, we have actual fascism going on. Yeah, it's not just your favorite restaurant looking a little bland There's like actual shit. I'd like you to tap in on yeah, but leftists are like taking up the mantle as mad as they're like They're like no, it's important that cracker barrel is a guy in a rocking chair I'm like we actively have troops going to cities. You know what I mean? Yeah But like this is the only thing about fascism they want to talk about and I'm like are we this stupid or yeah People who work for eyes aren't work walking into cracker barrel being like No, I'm like, but I'm like, of course I agree I miss when Taco Bell was goofy, you know or whatever But I'm like you guys are only matching onto this one thing and I find it annoying Yeah, I think that's fair and I support you finding that annoying. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I get that. Thank you so much I want the play pit at McDonald's for sure I miss birthdays at McDonald's. I had a birthday at McDonald's. It was like one of the best birthdays ever It's really cool to do that Ronald. Yeah, when you get Ronald at your birthday. Yeah. Oh my god kids are going crazy That's really neat and you play you we used to hang out at McDonald's in high school really? Oh, yeah We drive over there. It was right on the edge of town like after school No, it was more like we'd be like it'd be like a Friday night and we'd have nothing to do So we'd be like you guys want to walk around Walmart and take pictures on our digital cameras So we'd like put on like a Moo Moo meant for an old person and be like I'm someone take it we take a whole album of digital pictures And maybe I should we go hang out at McDonald's for a little bit and like share fries. Yeah It was truly growing up in Missouri in 2012 was like living in the 1950s. That's amazing You guys want to have you guys want to like Do like drag drag down the strip and go have some milkshakes See Walmart's another one that I didn't grow up with whenever I see it I'm like I have to go in and it is gorgeous. I'm feeling so sad for you right now in high school I got my I got my groceries my tires changed and my haircut at Walmart like every every time I needed those things That's so incredible haircut at Walmart. Yeah, wow. It was neat and the girls in there were sweet to me And is there like a doctor at Walmart as well? There's like I yeah I doctor I feel like doctors should start going into Walmart's in Costco's Probably we probably should be putting doctors in Walmart's. Yeah, yeah, I was just based on the clientele I would love to be able to see a doctor I just video chatted with a doctor Yeah, and it was so fun and I'm like doctors need to be more accessible and like outdoors Actually, literally the least that Walmart could do for all the evils that they've done in this country The Walton family is all in so much trouble when they die But for all the evil they've done the least they could do is put a doctor in every store and be like hey Four hours a day free checkups if you need them I would love that would cost them almost nothing and would be actually like such a we actually I think all of us would be like nice Yeah, what is this Walmart health is closed? Oh? June 2024 permanently closed. This is them. They're no longer seeing patients I'd like to know how that program worked and why they closed it There's no chance that the customers of Walmart didn't need to be getting the blood pressure checked Yeah, I used to love that as a kid put my arm in the loose leaves. Oh, so fun So fun feeling it squeeze and legitimately getting stressed out. Yeah, I'm being like I'm gonna be stuck here forever Yeah, yeah, that's really scary. Yeah, but in all seriousness corporations. I like You don't No, I do but I think you're making a joke and I'm being serious you like corporations I love corporations which ones are your favorites all of them All of them I think I'm so impressed by by teamwork Yeah, by like making something work efficiently even if it's through horrible ethics Awesome perspective. Yeah. Yeah, what's your favorite corporation you think for real really think about it? I will I am Name a couple corporation BP oil Walmart Apple the oil ones no Okay, oils gross to me Okay, if gas stations were like a sexy place to be like if it was like old school where like people are filling up your gas and like Everyone had like a fun outfit and maybe it was like you could get a children year in for New Jersey. Yeah Yeah, they're doing that out there, but they're not like being sexy about it. No, you're right They're actually pretty put upon like if it was kind of like Sonic vibes where like they're on roller skates coming up to your window and you could also get like a milkshake Then maybe I would love it, but as of now the oil the big oil companies are not like doing it for me Yeah, what else did you say? Walmart Apple targets trying to get the big corporations like BlackRock I I guess Walmart. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess so I really am charmed when I see it. I love how many things they have Yeah Prices are good. Yeah You know have you ever read the book nickel and dimes? No, it's written in like the late 90s early 2000s This writer from New York went undercover as like a low-wage worker in like in like Florida Minnesota and maybe like Rhode Island a couple different states and she set out these rules for herself that she's like I won't dip into my actual money savings. I won't I won't take my nice clothes I'm gonna go like really try and like make a living as a low-wage worker She was kind of like I'm in New York and everyone talks about these like working poor people like these people that are like working full Time but are still poor. Yeah, because it was at that time becoming kind of a new thing And she went and did it in one of the places she worked. Maybe it was in Florida. She worked at a Walmart and She wrote about it's a really great book people should read it if they haven't but she wrote about all her different jobs And the part about the Walmart was probably my favorite because it was so after it wasn't the most fucked up job She had but it was the most fucked up job. She had was for a cleaning service. I would say But the Walmart was just so like I mean that was in the 90s and they've only gotten better at their like exploitation of workers stuff They find you think superstores proper propaganda super store. I never saw it. I just started watching it Who was America for air in the Marica for nice? It's cute. Yeah, and I'm so susceptible to propaganda I'm like I would love to work at a super store. Yeah, I do I'm worried that you're susceptible to propaganda because you did just tell me You love corporations Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, I'm not a good person. Yeah, but not because of my heart. Yeah It's because of the world around me. I think you have a good. I do think you have a good heart and I would love to see you different In terms of the corporation thing, you know no I in totally no in totally You think you have a good you think you have a good heart and soul and you're just in an evil world Is that kind of what's going on? Yeah, totally? Yeah Yeah, do you feel do you feel genuinely susceptible to do you feel susceptible to like peer pressure? Yeah, um It depends what peer is pressuring me. Yeah, what could I get a cool-ass peer? What can I get you to do? You got me to not vape You did still do it and if I didn't respect will you allow it? You gave me one free pass If I didn't respect you I'd be like well, I'm going to I wouldn't have even asked. Yeah, you wouldn't have even come probably Yeah, we're recording this at 9 a.m. Yeah, which I don't know if that's tough for you, but well I requested earlier Yeah, you did it was originally 9 30. Yeah, I noticed that yeah. Yeah. Good morning Hey, morning princess. Are you a morning person? I can be okay nice. Yeah, I woke up at 7 Why cuz I had to walk my dog. I had to put my gorgeous face on yeah, well you do look stunning Thank you. I am as I get older getting better at like I used to like if my first thing was at 10 a.m I'd sleep right up until I needed to get up to shower and do the thing I am starting to understand old people a little bit as I get closer to them of like Getting up two hours before you need to be to be like let me have my time. Yes. My time. I'm gonna read I'm gonna do my coffee I'm gonna be slow cuz you know what happened. I'd need to be somewhere at 10 Means I got to leave at 9 30 means I got to get in the shower by 9 That's all if I rush so I get up at 8 55 and then guess what would happen some of the times 20 minute poop No You you know those mornings where you planned everything down to the minute especially when you need to go to the airport Yeah, you planned everything down to the minute and then you wake up and you sit down to poop and you're like Oh, no, this isn't a four-minuteer. This is 23 minutes and I'm out of emails I don't want to like brag, but I'm a quick pooper. No me too normally, but I'm saying sometimes doesn't long whenever sneak up on you Occasionally me really hurts occasionally and you like smoked weed and ate a little something you shouldn't have before bed But I'm also I can hold one in for a long time like I won't do that. I love it. I love like poop edging I didn't like the way it came out. Yeah But I mean what I said, yeah, you like holding in your poops. Yeah, okay. Yeah, like building Okay What else you want to talk about I Anything else Well, you're a woman in comedy. Yeah, how's that? It's good the guys cooler guys are fine Yeah, I feel like I've aged out of like being like creeped on I feel like when I first started and was doing open mics Probably true and really sad, but yeah, it's definitely true. You did your first open mic when you were 17 I think so. Yeah. Yeah, but then but then I didn't actually start again until like a year or two later So I was like 18 or 19 when I actually started Yeah, and the only people who are really actually like legitimately gross for like other loser open micers. Yeah Except for a few other like actual comics. Yeah, and you feel like you've aged out of that Yeah, I've aged out of it that sounds like man. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I've gotten too smart They're like, oh, she knows how this works now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you don't seem like an easy mark. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's really scary and crazy More than kinda yeah, no, I mean like no one's perving on me. Oh, okay It's a little bit totally I would love for you to also the actual perving is sad I've talked about this on here before I'm pretty sure but I have gone through this phenomenon with several several gay guys that I know that when they were 20 Everyone was trying to fuck them all the time free drinks free food free trips free wood I mean just like attention attention attention and then you age out of that because we have a sick society That's like age obsessed and body obsessed and that's all Yeah, it's a it's a million different phobias and weird things wrapped into one But then you age out of it and the aging twink who's not like in mass desirable anymore is one of the it's like a Cornered rat. Yeah, you have to be care very careful. They could go in either very scared and they're out there out of resources It's very scary for them and I'm being half kidding and half sincere They don't know how to operate because they're like I've always been so desired And that was my life blood and now I'm not desired and I'm like, oh well I never got that kind of attention in mass. I got it plenty here and there But I never got it as like my constant everyday thing. So I'm chilling as I get older That's so true. My thing's only getting better and better and it's been interesting to watch and I don't say this in any way of being Happy about it. I'm really like worried for some of these people that I like but it would be very hard to Deal with that to deal with like the taking away of like it's like that That study they did where you smile if a baby smiles at you and you don't smile back. They start crying Yeah, I'm saying it's like you're getting this positive feedback all the time It's a positive feedback loop of you're so sexy. We want you we want you we want you and all of a sudden you're the Crip Keeper Yeah Yeah, cuz it's like when you're the hot person. It's like you're getting invited on boats Literally, you're just but but it's like it wasn't even in the plan Like you just happen to be near a body of water and someone's like get on my boat Yeah, and then you age out of it or whatever happens happens and then you're like booking yourself a carnival cruise Yeah, to have just a semblance of what once was Yeah And that yeah, I love a cruise. That's a corporation I can get behind carnival any cruise line You ever not carnival carnival is a little bit too Commercially like like they almost you like an idea. I feel like they give away free tickets Yeah, I feel like they're like buy buy three get one free How are they like there's a little bit too much of a discount happening? I did just see a Japanese cruise I really want to go on yeah, I saw this article that was like Small luxury cruises. Yes, and there was this Japanese one that goes down a big river in Japan And it was like a boutique cruise like a boat that's like but it's like a five-star hotel on the boat Yes, and it's not for like big deck parties with pools and shit It's like very sleek luxury luxury like quiet Like it's meant for like reading and eating incredible sushi and like it's a smother's maybe like 30 people on the boat or something Yes, I want to do that. That's like the boat on the triangle of sadness triangle of sadness. I did not see Oh What happens in that they're on a boat and everyone's hot and it's Must be something more based on the there is more. Yeah, it's been a while though Okay, well don't spoil it cuz maybe I'll see it. It's good. It's it's a chaos ensues. Let me tell you Yeah, I believe you to yeah, yeah Harris Dickinson isn't it? So that's actually a young man that I need pretty bad. Yes Oh, I thought you're gonna go in a different way. Yeah, he he's so hot he I Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, he's really hot and he knows it and it's great salivating. That's okay I've spent time on his Instagram He's in he's he's in a beautiful relationship. He's had this girlfriend for a long time I've spent time on his Instagram is so funny dude I've logged some hours on his Insta. He's been he's in a long-term relationship. Yeah, you know I'm a real Harris Dickinson sand because he I my favorite movie of his is be trats Do you know this one? Really really good in the movie that he did before before all the other stuff and he's incredible in it Oh, of course. He is incredible in it. What's like what's so annoying about him is I feel like I have a chance Well You I he should want you but I just you guys don't know each other and he has a beautiful girlfriend that you know about So I'm like, what do you mean by that? Like him as a person like also I picked off my lip and it's bleeding No, I don't see anything I can taste it. Well, it's probably just knowledge to you, but there's no you don't Okay, you didn't have to say it. I just okay I wasn't sure if I was like just fully bleeding and you guys are like No, if you if you don't worry, we just put out an episode where I have fucking donut on my face the whole No one said anything to me. No, you wish Giant chocolate chunk of donut on the side of my face Yeah, no one says anything to me Everyone getting paid everyone getting paid to work on the no one says anything people people getting paid plenty I would have said something. I know you would have and you don't even get paid here my friends sitting across But maybe that's why yeah, wow complacency. They're on the government teeth They're getting complacent over there because they're on the government teeth. They're just getting fat off of Government bread and cheese And now they don't want to tell their they don't want to tell their old friend because now I'm now I'm boss You know now they want to see me they want to see me look foolish in front of everyone Because they don't remember when we were just friends Now I'm their boss, you know, yeah, and they fear they fear and revile me It's really sick stuff, but I think you have a chance to wake up call though. I know Why don't have friends anymore? You know you have employees. I have employees everyone's on the payroll. Yeah, and they want to see me look stupid Don't watch you fall. I look like a fucking fool and they delight in it. You're the next cracker barrel They're taking away all your shine. Yes, they're gonna rep I'm gonna I'm a white man in a rocking chair And they're gonna replace me with a letter Yeah I'm gonna replace me with a typeface. It's sick. I've been nothing but good to these people You know, it's really sick. Why were there were donuts? I got hungry Okay, it's There's no donuts today. Oh, I it's not like a Studio like so so I would be happy to get you a donut number one when we finish this and number two this isn't like I Brought donuts for the guests like on my way over to the studio. I ate a donut while I got it got it got it Yeah, but I'd be more than happy. I just wasn't sure if there was like donuts somewhere in here And I just hadn't discovered them yet, you know, maybe I don't treat my guests and my staff well enough Maybe I maybe that's why the people let me look like job of the fucking hut on the last episode Maybe I maybe maybe that's on me your chocolate donut guy. I'm starting with the man in the mirror Yeah, I'd be happy to eat many kinds of donuts, but if there's a chocolate donut I'm gonna have no problem going into that. What's your first pick donut my number one donut all-time glazed plain glazed Really because when you do it right, it's the perfect donut. It's a classic for a reason alley. Yeah, but I also like a Cake donut a chocolate cake donut, okay with like sprinkles. No sprinkles Sprinkles pissed me off. Okay, cuz guess what I did recently purely a nostalgia play. I'm at the ice cream I see the ice cream truck go on by go. Yeah, he stops I Run over there with my friend we get ice cream and I go You know what vanilla cone with sprinkles because it's classic ice cream truck. Please dude Please please please I'm trying to explain to you. It's an iconic image alley The what the vanilla cone with the sprinkles is like that's what you think of when you think of ice cream imagery, right? Yeah, but not from an ice cream truck. I think popsicles Okay, I'm like bars So I'm probably the fucked up face right right right, but this is the iconic image And I was trying to be classic, you know and and and I know but what I'm saying is the reason I'm feeling so upset towards you right now Is because I agree with you. I fucked up. It was disgusting Yeah, they should just have a little cone probably been great, but those sprinkles tastes like shit Yeah, I bet it all tasted like plastic I can like I can like taste what a ice cream truck cone would taste like and it's not no I'm not gonna be good. It was upsetting to me because the sprinkles are such an iconic image of play Do you feel like you ordering that cone with sprinkles was like performative? I think it was that's what that's what I'm gathering because you're like the imagery of it whatever I was trying to have a moment. Yes, you know, I would you know this I'm always gonna have a moment. Yes. Do you know? Yes? I relate deeply to that. I'm always trying to have a moment I'll order something or like do something that's not in my best interest or what I want, but I'm like but it will look Cuter or more fun and it'll feel like I mean I can't even listen to music normal Like if I'm driving and then the windows are down. I'm listening to a song I'm not even sometimes I'm not even capable to just listen to the song I'm like I'm like God It's so beautiful the way that this all looks and feels that you're doing this, you know And I'll sometimes in the middle of a song be like I really want to hear a different song right now But this one feels like what it's supposed to be playing for this. Yeah, totally. You know, I'm trying to like I'm trying to feel Like I'm in a moment at all times and along those lines say that if my windows are rolled down and I'm listening to a song I have to put my hand out the window and maybe do one of these. Yeah Just so people in the cars around me know she's having a good day. Yes. Yeah, I love that I do have to do that, but it's not as I've it's not it's not um, it's hard. It's really not easy It's like you have to put effort into doing this Well, I feel like a scientist sometimes go up with my hand like this. Yeah, and it's really hard It's pushing my hand and I'll go and I'll go and then I'll go switch up And it gets a little easier and then I'm like I'm a low key a scientist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be like this I'll be like, oh, whoa, you've mastered physics. Yeah, and then I feel like whoa, you're so smart What do you think's going on inside of a dog's mouth when he's? Out of a car window, I don't know probably it's got to be fun wouldn't you think yeah, because they love doing it Maybe it's really scary that they do that kind of because that's kind of that's a lot of wind Yeah, I'm an atcha Wow, and it's not a this or this it's a this. Yeah Ali We got something for you here my friend, okay. Oh, okay, chances started to phone it in a little bit I've got multiple papers on here All right Virginia started to phone it in a little bit. Oh, that's so funny No, you know what's so funny is this is different than it usually is and it's because Virginia did it today Because I and by the way the reason is I made chance be late because he was I was his ride God, you know what? I'm the problem I'm the reason I had the donut on my face So Ali we're gonna play a game with you. This is true or false. Don't look at these. Okay. Okay. This is do you already look at some No, I can't I can't read. Okay It's not my eyes are fine. Okay. This is true or false. Okay, I'm gonna read you 15 statements Yeah, if you get you're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false And if you get 10 or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 us dollars. Oh, okay. Yeah, huge. Okay. You ready? Yeah, okay Verbo is older than Airbnb True true the world's first animated feature film was made in Argentina true true It takes a drop of water 90 days to travel the entire Mississippi River False true there are no Olive Gardens in New York City True false. There's one in Times Square Cal State San Marcos's mascot is the Bobcats. I went there so answer No, we weren't the Bobcats false False false it's the Cougars. Oh my god. You scared me. That's right. Limes don't float what limes don't float False true fuck fill of the future ran for five seasons. Oh my god true false to I a cow bison hybrid is called a beefalo false true There's only one left factory location east of the Mississippi River I don't know false true Burton Ernie our characters on the Muppet show. Yes, true I'm not even listening false Sesame Street bees can fly higher than Mount Everest True yeah, of course Courtney Cox is a former Miss Alabama winner True false false Arizona was the 48th state admitted to the Union. I don't know true You hate giving away $50 don't you Abraham Lincoln owned and operated the bar. Yeah true the song Pink Pony Club came out in 2023 No, when was it false? 2022 was 2020 How'd she do? Okay, nice. That's okay You wanted to piss me off. Yeah, you I've never seen someone get so mad. I don't think maybe a go They go got mad. I love games. Yeah, and I love winning games. What do you want to do? Let me tell you something you're getting paid regardless So don't sweat it Don't sweat it. You want I want to win you won regardless. Do you have any more games? Do you have games on your phone? I'm not going to have you play games on my phone. Well, I can't vape I can't play games You got one game to play and you did really bad. Yeah, I want to play I want more Flash or something Do you have heads up? With you for real. I think we'd have a lot of fun with that. Yeah get stoned to play quick flash Oh, yeah, come on. Okay, or what's the one where you make shirts? What? Oh, that's like drawlash or yeah It's like part of the flash family. I like those someone always draws 9-11. It's crazy I've never played the draw or I think I played it once. I don't like I like quick flash. Yeah, you're more of a cerebral player Yeah, yeah, wait who okay. Yeah, what nothing? Howie what? What's so true to you? I don't I feel like I've really set myself up to be viewed in a certain way. Hmm, but Like you said, it's kind of like I'm doing this to myself like I have to look in the mirror I don't know. No one needs to shower every day. Oh You guys work behind the computer, why are you stinky? Why do you need a shower? What are you doing? I agree with you. I think if you don't work a job with your hands If you're not part of like a union of some sort, you're probably fine to skip a day of showering Yeah, I don't do a lot during the day totally. What do I need to wash off? Yeah, I get it I'm with you. There's no read. There's no need to be embattled. You're totally safe here. Thank you You're totally safe here. I don't know what the internet's gonna do to you. I Can't speak to that. I think my stinky girls will find me Yeah, I bet you know stand behind me and support me and my sweaty pits I bet there's a lot of people that feel this way and do this but don't want to speak on it You're probably giving voice to millions Thank you. You're probably giving voice to millions. Good. It's yeah, it's not gonna be good for what is said about white people Because I know that yeah, this has been levied against us quite a bit. Yeah, I'm taking white people back a step Yeah, whatever this is a this is a particular type of white person hashtag not all white people. Yeah me Yeah, not all white people just me just me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful Well, I mean it was a delight to have you on it was so nice I really really really like you and I'm really glad you were able to come in here Thank you for having me go Cougars Cal State San Marcos forever What would you like to tell people about where they can find you and how they can support you alley mckofsky.com Or not alley Mac on social media nice. Thanks for coming in dude. Thanks for having me. We did it alley That was a hate gun podcast