Jon on Alex Pretti's Killing, DHS vs. Video Evidence & MAGA's Gun Rights Surrender | Jason Rezaian
48 min
•Jan 27, 20264 months agoSummary
Jon Stewart examines the killing of Alex Pretti by DHS/Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis, highlighting the contradiction between government claims and video evidence. The episode also features Jason Rezaian, a journalist imprisoned in Iran for 544 days, discussing ongoing Iranian protests and press freedom challenges.
Insights
- Government agencies are willing to dramatically revise their official narratives when confronted with video evidence, suggesting credibility depends on public scrutiny and documentation
- Conservative political figures have abandoned core Second Amendment principles to defend law enforcement actions, revealing ideological inconsistency when political loyalty is tested
- International press freedom and domestic press freedom are interconnected; protecting journalists abroad requires protecting them at home from government overreach
- Organic, leaderless protest movements across diverse populations may be more resilient than hierarchical opposition structures, as seen in Iran's current uprising
- The absence of credible opposition leadership in authoritarian regimes creates policy vacuums that external actors struggle to fill effectively
Trends
Government agencies using evolving narratives and moving goalposts when initial accounts are contradicted by public video evidenceErosion of constitutional principles among political movements when loyalty to individual leaders supersedes foundational ideologyIncreasing sophistication of internet censorship and blackout tactics by authoritarian regimes to control information flowGrassroots, multi-ethnic protest movements replacing traditional hierarchical opposition structures in authoritarian contextsDeclining international support for exiled opposition figures and lack of institutional preparation for post-regime transitionsWeaponization of gaslighting as a political strategy when official narratives conflict with documented realityDisconnect between corporate media investment priorities (entertainment) and investigative journalism capacity (international coverage)Growing importance of citizen-captured video evidence as counterweight to official government accounts and press freedom protection
Topics
Government Accountability and Video EvidenceBorder Patrol and ICE OperationsSecond Amendment and Gun Rights PoliticsPress Freedom and Journalist ProtectionIran Protests and Authoritarian CrackdownsInternet Censorship and Digital FreedomGaslighting as Political StrategyOpposition Leadership in Authoritarian RegimesU.S. Foreign Policy and IranMedia Coverage of Government ActionsConstitutional Principles and Political LoyaltyWitness Documentation and AccountabilityInternational Human RightsLaw Enforcement TransparencyMisinformation and Official Narratives
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People
Jason Rezaian
Journalist imprisoned in Iran for 544 days; director of press freedom at Washington Post; guest discussing Iran protests
Jon Stewart
Host of The Daily Show; primary commentator on Alex Pretti killing and government accountability
Alex Pretti
Individual killed by Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis; central subject of episode's investigation
Greg Bavino
Border Patrol commander who made initial claims about Alex Pretti being a terrorist; contradicted by video evidence
Jordan Klepper
Daily Show correspondent reporting from Minneapolis on DHS account of the shooting
Todd Blanche
Administration official accused of gaslighting the public about the Alex Pretti incident
Maziar Bahari
Journalist friend of Rezaian; also imprisoned in Iran's Evin prison in solitary confinement
Muhammad Ali
Called for Rezaian's release while imprisoned in Iran
Barack Obama
Referenced as influential Muslim figure who called for Rezaian's release
Reza Pahlavi
Son of the Shah; discussed as potential opposition figure in Iran; lives in exile
Mir-Hossein Mousavi
2009 Iranian reform candidate; under house arrest; discussed as potential leadership figure
Ayatollah Khomeini
Historical Iranian revolutionary leader; compared to current lack of organized opposition
Donald Trump
Referenced for statements about Iran protests and military presence; discussed for policy reversals
Elon Musk
Credited for providing Starlink terminals to Iran to maintain internet access during blackouts
Kanye West
Referenced in closing segment regarding Wall Street Journal apology to Jewish people
Quotes
"The don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining doctrine"
Jon Stewart•Political philosophy reference
"There is nothing more dangerous to a regime predicated on lies than witnesses who capture the truth"
Jon Stewart•Closing argument about video evidence
"Iranians, whether they're Muslim, Shia, Sunni, Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Baha'i, they think of themselves as Iranian first"
Jason Rezaian•Discussion of Iranian national identity
"We're not going to let this happen again. We're going to keep you online. We're going to help you organize. We haven't done it yet."
Jason Rezaian•U.S. promises to Iranian protesters
"Guns are your whole personality. Guns are your Zoom backgrounds. Your decorative lapel pins."
Jon Stewart•Critique of conservative gun rights abandonment
Full Transcript
You're listening to Comedy Central. From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news. This is The Daily Show with your host, John Stewart. Her food! Hey, everybody, welcome. Welcome to The Daily Show. Oh, man, I got anyone for you. My name is John Stewart. Great show for you tonight. My guest tonight, Jason Rezion, will be talking about Iran. Fabulous story. Iran right now, an authoritarian state, currently being rocked by protests that threaten to tear the whole nation apart. I mean, can you imagine? But yes, like most of the country, I spent the weekend consumed by the awful news out of Minnesota. And I will say, hearing about this has somehow done the impossible, which is... It has dampened my enthusiasm for this week's premiere of the Melania documentary. Move over, Avatar sequels. Here's another movie that wasn't necessary. No, I was actually really looking forward to it. Go behind the scenes. Find out what went into deciding on such an unusual... Was it courage? Or was it madness? Either way, 10 out of 10, no notes. Also, love the tagline to the movie Melania, the inspiring true story of how an online shopping billionaire paid millions to curry favor with the president. Am I in trouble? I can't wait for the sequel. Oh, f*** it, just take the money. It's in the hat. But back to the main story. For the second time in two weeks, another American has been tragically killed on the streets of Minneapolis. Now, obviously, all the facts are not in yet. But here is, as best we can tell, the account of what happened on this terrible day. This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers. Oh, the agents attempted to disarm the individual, but he violently resisted. Oh, dear God, they must have been petrified. This individual attacked those officers wishing to inflict harm on these officers coming, brandishing like that. Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, a border patrol agent fired defensive shots. Oh, of course they're defensive, I mean. He had to stand his ground. This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement. Committed an act of domestic terrorism, that's the facts. Whoa! Committed an act of domestic terrorism, that's the second worst kind of terrorism. But hey, those are the facts. That's the facts. There's really no reason to doubt them. No evidence exists to contradict, hold on. I'm getting a, oh really? I'm hearing there may be some grainy, zopruder-like footage from, I don't know, every angle imaginable that contradicts the government's versions of events. Videos of the shooting of Alex Pretty have contradicted the government's account of what happened. All he has in his hand is a cell phone, not a gun. He's trying to help a woman who's just been pushed to the ground and pepper sprayed. He's trying to go help her with his hands up. They engage him and they're dragging him back. The videos also appear to show Pretty's legal, registered firearm being removed from his person by an officer just seconds before those shots were fired. Wow, well it looks like we've got a real case of, he said, video totally disproves what he said. You know, this is also confusing. Perhaps to help get some more clarity on what's going on. We go live to Minneapolis where our own Jordan Klepper has been standing outside in the cold. Jordan, thank you so much for joining us. What's the latest that you're hearing? John, DHS has finally completed their analysis and now has a definitive account of what happened. Let me take you through it step by step because it paints a more complete picture. This all took place in an area where elicit activity by illegal immigrants was occurring. And terrible stuff. Peddling drugs, selling knockoff labubus, showing football games without the express written consent of the NFL. You know, heinous shit. Now, shortly after, protesters arrived at the scene to create a barricade. That's when, as you can see here, the ICE agents arrived. I say, and I'm sorry, you're telling me that according to DHS, those are the... The ICE agents, yes. And contrary to all the mainstream media spin, all these ICE agents want to do is keep America safe and occasionally lick their own puckered buttholes. But before they could do their job, a gang of Soros-funded protesters arrived on the scene. As you can see, these guys... these guys were packing heat, posing an imminent threat with their girthy leftist dogs. I... This is the DHS account. I mean, it's... first of all, it's Minnesota. It's winter. You would think they'd be wearing clothes, no? Don't be naive, John. If you got it, you flaunt it. I see. But this is the moment when the armed suspect finally appeared and shit got real. Okay. Pow, pow, pew, pew, meow, meow, hiss, hiss, John. As you can see, the suspect left them no choice. Look, I don't even know where to begin. That doesn't... the scene doesn't match any of the video that we've seen. And that's clearly Doc Ock from Spider-Man. That's Doc Ock. John, John, John, I can see this isn't resonating with you. And luckily, DHS is not married to this version. Here's another one they're pitching. What... What if I told you the ICE agents just do this on the side and they're actually all K-pop stars? Well, not that... that's just the plot of K-pop demon hunters. That's... You didn't let me finish. And they're all gay hockey players. The ICE agents. Everybody, John. That last one's intriguing. Jordan Klepper, everybody. Oh, thank you, Jordan. Um... So... I think the lowest bar that a government ever has to clear in terms of earned credibility to its population is obvious reality. You just got a clear, obvious reality. I believe it's what the political philosopher Seneca referred to as. The don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining doctrine. But watch Border Patrol commander in short, Greg Bavino, who, by the way, appears to be just the new character the Trump cinematic universe is introduced. Where the f*** did this guy even come from? It's his first season on the show. Anyway... This guy, Bavino, very clearly stated that the guy they killed was a terrorist attempting a massacre. I'm sure that version of events will be able to withstand even one f***ing follow-up question at the presser. Questions? First question. When did the agent story that you had done, do you ever brandish that weapon, the aliens? Ali, this situation, again, is evolving. This situation is under investigation. Oh, now it's an investigation? Oh, the investigation is evolving. I thought evolution was a generational thing. Not three seconds after you accuse a guy of terrorism. And by the way, here's what they said at the presser after just the second question. All right, no more questions. Sorry, no more questions, sir. I'm ready to take your questions to no more questions and two f***ing questions. And it's too bad because I happen to have a lot of questions. Like, who's going to investigate this horrific killing by the Department of Homeland Security that the Department of Homeland Security has clearly misrepresented? The Department of Homeland Security says they'll investigate the shooting. Oh, good luck finding the real killer, O.J. We're rooting for you. And pardon me for not trusting that the administration is going to do a fair and free investigation when they are already going out on TV, moving the goalposts on why the shooting was justified, whether he was brandishing the weapon or not. He was not protesting peacefully. He was screaming in the face of ICE. He had a phone up right into ICE's face. I mean, we all see the same thing. I mean, you shouldn't try to gaslight the administration about what happened. Somebody's on therapy talk. We're gaslighting. You gaslighting? No, I'm gaslighting. You gaslighting me? Are you gaslighting me? A little bit, a little bit. We're gaslighting you? What the f- By the way, we're gaslighting you. Speaking of gaslighting, here is Todd Blanche, a day after accusing all of us of gaslighting the administration about what happened. I don't think anybody thinks that they were comparing what happened on Saturday to the legal definition of domestic terrorism. Oh, you don't think anybody's doing that? Well, they were certainly f-ing insinuating it. I mean, it might be hard to find someone explicitly using those exact words, but we found it. Violence against a government because of ideological reasons and for reasons to resist and perpetuate violence. That is the definition of domestic terrorism. I mean, we're gaslighting. I think that actually might be the definition of gaslighting. Look, the administration realized pretty quickly that the public is not buying their description. So they had to make a choice. Come clean and commit yourself to finding the truth, no matter where it may lead, or just redefine who the victims of this tragedy really were. The victim are the Border Patrol agents. I think when it comes to the ICE agents, I think you see the incredible frustration that they feel. You know, someone screaming in your face, F-U, you suck, get out of here, that's tough to take for an eight-hour day. Now look what you've done! People screaming f-ing eight hours a day is basically every customer service job in this country. That's all you do. And the national pastime of Staten Island. You're telling me trained and armed ICE agents can't handle what the average geek squad member at Best Buy has to? I told you, I didn't spill any f-ing coffee on it! Just fix it! I was upset. I'm sorry, Greg Povino, you've got more to say? Politicians, community leaders, and some journalists engage in that heated rhetoric calling them all enforcement. Names like Gestapo. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Could you, could you pronounce that again? You went full stopo? Gestapo? Gestapo! I thought you guys hate when people do that, the way a Latino newscaster might throw out a maduro. A nicolese maduro. But you're out there full Gestapo? Like you're an extra and Jojo Rabbit? Gestapo! I'm Gestapo! In America we pronounce it Gestapo. And I get that people's language can be hyperbolic, certainly, but one thing that may not be helping your case, Sergeant Povino or whatever, can we get a quick fit check on this mother f-ing? You know, first of all, it is slightly terrifying to Americans that you seem to be dressing for the job you want. So if I can say, if you love the Gestapo coat, you may want to change the Gestapo hair. Because together it's really Gestapo. So if you love the coat, keep the coat, but instead of the fasci, you might want to give yourself the Garfunkel. It changes everything. Or if you're really into the reverse Larry David, keep the hair, but maybe slightly less threatening uniform. Very nice. Very nice. Very nice. Nobody is buying your shit right now. We can't even, you know what, we can't even get through a snowstorm without being reminded of how badly this is going for you. The biggest threat, though, continues to be, and always really generally, is it's ice. Ice is still causing dangerous conditions. Ice creates an expressionist condition over roads and on the sidewalk. There hasn't been an ice warning this severe in 12 years. When it comes to ice, all the bets are off. You need to just still be careful because ice can still be out there. Just don't mention the storm might be the result of El Nino, or it might get dragged out of the car in front of the kids. Too soon? All right, fair enough. But as all of the administration's descriptions of the events and reasoning behind the events fell apart, the right did seem to coalesce on one aspect of the incident. When you are bearing arms and you are confronted by law enforcement, you are raising the risk of force being used against you. You cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. I don't know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign. Don't let the left kid you with this, that this is just a normal protest. Peaceful protesters don't have 9mm weapons with two extra magazines. Are you f***ing kidding me right now? Are you f***ing kidding? Are you saying? Is that what you're saying on the right? Is that what the right... Are you saying that the problem was the guy had a gun? Are you saying... that the guns are the problem? Is that... Are you saying, if I may, are you saying... is everyone on the right coming together to say, carrying a legal firearm was the problem? Am I hearing things? Is that really what you're saying? Really? Is that what you're saying? I guess that's what they're saying. Yeah, I want to hear it again. I want to hear you say it again. But this time, not from some, you know, congressman. I want to hear it from a cabinet level secretary. And it doesn't have to be a cabinet level secretary who deals with security or anything along those lines. Just so many wants to jump in and comment on it. In fact, and I want this secretary to deliver this line like it's a mic drop, even though, oh, is it not. Who brought a gun? Have you ever gone to a protest, Jonathan? I mean, we do have a second amendment in this country that... Jonathan, have you ever gone to a protest? I mean... Have you gone to a protest? I mean, I've... I know, actually. I have a report recovering it. Okay, I've been to a protest. Guess what? I didn't bring a gun. I brought a billboard. I didn't bring a... Huh? I brought a... It wasn't a... I brought a billboard. I brought three billboards. The protest was outside of Ebbing, Missouri. It was three billboards. I brought them all. By the way, people don't bring billboards to f***ing protest. They call them signs. I brought a billboard. I brought a guy's billboard. I didn't bring a bang bang. I brought a boom boom. There is nothing that I love more than watching somebody deliver to a practiced line that they think is devastating, only to trip on their own dick. This is blowing my f***ing mind. The people that brought you this guy, and these guys, and these guys as f***ing heroes who are brandishing their weapons, are telling you the big mistake was letting a citizen legally carry a gun. I mean, listen, I... I wasn't shocked when you guys gave up the First Amendment, and I wasn't shocked when you gave up the Fourth Amendment, and the Tenth Amendment, and the Fourteenth Amendment at Trump's behest. But the second... I'm sorry. Isn't that kind of the load-bearing wall of the don't-tread-on-me flag? Your snake's down to a new... Your deeply felt constitutional principles are suddenly the night in Monty Python. Ah, come back! Come back! Ah! I'll bite you to death! I'm still a constitution! Arrgh! Arrgh! Rent it. It's very good. Come on, guys. Guns are your whole personality. Guns are your Zoom backgrounds. Your decorative lapel pins. Guns are how you show displeasure at documents. Guns are your Christmas cards. There's no human activity that can't be made better without the pulsing heat of your Arma-Lite best friends. For some Texas, we cook bacon a little different than most... Machine gun bacon. I'm not really one to talk, but it is clear how much heavy lifting his beard has to do. Like, that dude... That was like... That's some weapons shit right there. The crazy thing is, the right has jettisoned the entire integrity and belief of their political worldview the entire foundation of it for a guy who really doesn't give a f*** You gave it all up! This is your president on this harrowing weekend of bloodshed. At 11.31 a.m. this morning, he wrote on TruthSocial to complain about a lawsuit and say that stopping construction of his White House ballroom in his view, quote, would be devastating to the White House, our country, and all concerned. Just a few moments ago, he posted again lamenting the NFL's new kickoff format. This is who you threw it all away for. Blood runs through the streets of Minnesota. A political party has jettisoned their entire knowledge of the founding documents and Trump's out there like, hey everybody, we're all gonna get laid! This is what makes this entire Minnesota adventure so maddening because ultimately, we as a country are not asking for too much from our government. We're just not. We have the soft bigotry of low expectations. All we want is sane policies actually competently executed without you all being huge dicks. That's all we... oh no, that's not. That's not what we... We'll work on the acronym. But instead, we get bad policy executed with extreme dickishness and to add insult to injury is the denial of the reality that we all witnessed. They're lying. We saw it. And that's how brazen they lie when they know we've seen the truth. That's how they lie when they know we know. Imagine how they lie when there's no evidence to contradict them. And maybe that more than anything explains why Alex Pretty really was a threat because he was brandishing a weapon. 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He now serves as director of press freedom initiatives at The Washington Post. Please welcome to the program Jason Rezion. Hello. How are you? I'm doing very well. Thank you so much for being here. It has been, you were held for 544 days. Were you in the notorious Evan prison system? Yes. Yeah. I was the unfortunate next guest after your friend Maziar. Maziar Bahari, who was a journalist who a friend of the show who was held there in solitary confinement. And I'm assuming you got that same VIP treatment. Oh yeah. For sure. Seven weeks of solitary confinement, lights on 24 hours a day, endless interrogations by morons, you know, the whole bit. Although you did, there's a story, and I'm sure you've told this before, but they told you to call at one point your mother. Yes. And the idea being that this would break you and this would break her. What happened with that? So I said, look, I've been in your custody for the last three months. I don't know where my mom is. I don't have her phone number off the top of my head. But if you think you can figure out how to get her on the phone, I'd love to talk to mom. Right. I've been in Communicado for months. And I reached her and we spoke for, gosh, it turned out to be about a half an hour. And it became, I think, one of the most surreal experiences of the whole ordeal. And when she and I talked about it afterwards, reminisced, I was like, Mom, we kind of ran out of shit to say. So you were literally, you're talking to your mom for prison and you're doing this. So anyway. So what's, yeah. And, you know, after some time, after many months, she was able to come visit me. And we would have these meetings, like you do, in the prison, as you see in a movie, you know, behind the thing. And, you know, I get glimpses of news from the outside world. And I had been told that Muhammad Ali had called for my release, which is a pretty big deal. Pretty big deal. And, you know, I wanted to verify this with mom. And I said, Mom, is it true that Muhammad Ali called for my release? And she said, yeah, that was something. I said, you're telling me that the two most influential Muslims in America have called for my release. And I said, Muhammad Ali and Keith Ellison. And I said, no, Muhammad Ali and Obama. So you've got to keep laughing in those situations. It's not easy. The same thing that the only thing that kept them through the darkness was that sense of humor and attachment to those that he loved. And that was 10 years ago, 11 years ago. 10 years ago I got out. 10 years ago. Just last week. Yeah. And I'm not, what Iran is going through right now is so heartbreaking. You came out of, you know, the Green Revolution was this moment in 2009 where it sort of, you really thought maybe there is this reformist, Mosavi that's going to run against al-Qaqm al-Dina Jat. And then those protests end violently and all that. And they've gone through the massamini and all these other protests. They end violently. Did this moment feel different to you when they started protesting in Iran before the horrible crackdown? Was it different than what we saw in 2009? Yeah. I think what we've seen over the last 17 years since 2009 was the rate of protests picking up. You know, for the last 47 years of the existence of the Islamic Republic, there's always been protests, but sporadic, fewer and farther between. And in the last five or six years, it's almost been annually and spread across the entire country. And this time around, people all over the country in vast numbers. And you know, it's a kind of feat of nature. It's organic because all opposition leadership has been snuffed out, executed, imprisoned, exiled. Sure. So, you know, this is just mass discontent at a level that we've never seen before. People calling for the end of the system. You'll remember in 2009, they wanted their vote. You know, even in this very restricted system, they still felt as though every four years they had the opportunity to go out within a tightly managed situation and say, hey, look, these are eight terrible guys. This is the least terrible as far as we're concerned. Right. This is who we want. And that was taken away from them that time around. Now it's, let's just break this whole thing down. This is not working. This is not tenable. The life is getting worse and worse. Our standard of living is decreasing by the day and you have no answers and no credible path to a better future for us. And so really begging the world to help them and not finding too much help. Well that, you know, the help, one thing also to discuss with Iran, there are parallels here. Obviously here, what's going on is a hint of that, is a slight coloring of it. It's not what they're experiencing over there, the horror that they're experiencing. But there is, in Iran the protests were always, there is an artistic, educated elite. Yeah. Tehran, it's based in the cities. It's considered, you know, if you want to break it down into red and blue. Right. That's, there's the blue states in Iran and there's the red states. Yeah. The power of the mullahs is in the red states. Certainly. So it would be like, normally when they crack down like in 2009, it's like sending a masked force of thugs into like a blue city, like I don't know, Minneapolis. So it's like that. Yeah. This is much broader than that. This is not the elites rising up. This is everybody. You know, and Iran, we forget, is a multi-ethnic country, lots of different languages. Azeri Turks in the north, Baluchis, Kurds, Afghans, everybody rising up. And actually what's really unique about these protests and the Masa Amini protests in 2022 is this sort of a call and response between these different ethnic and religious groups saying, we support you. You know, I think the truth is that Iranians, whether they're Muslim, Shia, Sunni, Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Baha'i, they think of themselves as Iranian first. And that's something that goes back 2,500 years and I think it's something worth preserving. Why do you think, you know, in 79 when they had the more fundamentalist revolution, the Shah's army turned, that the revolution happened because the guys with guns went, you know what? We can't do this. These guys, we're going with you. Why do you think that hasn't happened? I saw a few pieces of footage I saw of some besieging, you know, sort of the guys that you see on the motorcycles with the club switching. But that's it. It doesn't seem like it's gotten through to them. I think it's the ideological fervor mixed with the fact that they can still sort of buy the loyalty of those kinds of people. When they can't buy that loyalty anymore, you'll start seeing them switch real fast. But that hasn't happened yet. And I think when it does happen, that's game over, right? But I haven't seen visible signs of that yet. And what we're talking about, you know, even with the 2009 protests where people were killed and the Massimini protests where people were killed, you know, early numbers that came out of there were, I don't know, 2,500 people or something along those lines. And now they're saying, no, it's actually tens of thousands of people were slaughtered by this regime. It's not something that people can go back to their daily lives after. I've been able to communicate with some relatives and friends back in Iran. And you know, the bearing witness and sharing what's happened is what's so important to them right now. People are just saying, you can't imagine what we've just experienced. And then to be shrouded in an internet blackout, you know, it is mind-boggling. And this time they've gotten, you know, they've always had the internet blackouts. And there's always been VPNs and satellite dishes and ways to go about it. Total blackout for not two weeks. This feels like they're more sophisticated with their methodology. Yes. And I think, you know, one of the things that we can incredibly do as the United States and, you know, the entire global community of nations is support Iranians staying online. And it's the thing that we've been promising them since 2009. In 2009 they did shut down the internet. Internet wasn't as big a part of Iranians' lives as it is right now. And every time, each one of these rounds of protests, when they slaughter innocent people, America says, it doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican, we're not going to let this happen again. We're going to keep you online. We're going to help you organize. We haven't done it yet. Well, there's, listen, I got a lot of problems with Elon Musk and a lot of the things he does and says, but the one good thing he does, I think he sends a bunch of star lengths over there and that helps keep him. Look, I mean, I say air drop them in. You know, they don't have air defenses at this point. Those were taken out back in June. Drop a billion terminals. Donald Trump was really clear. Yeah, air drop them in. Yeah. Sure. But today he was really clear that, you know, he said to the people of Iran, keep protesting, keep going out in the streets. If they do anything to you, we're a common. What do you think happened between we're a common to, just play off a little bit longer? I mean, it's an incredible question. Last summer when, you know, when we decided to enter into the war that Israel had started, right? You know, up until the very last minute, he was saying, hey, look, we want to make a deal with these guys. And just today, he said, you know, my armada is at your front door, but I want to make a deal. I think making a deal with them at this point would be the worst case scenario for the people of Iran. Of course. Well, look in Venezuela, you make, what's the deal? How about this? You give us the oil and we'll let one of you guys still remain in charge and things will get incrementally better for the people of Iran, but they still won't have their own self-determination. Ever, right? And it buys these guys who seem to be at their last gas of life many more years in power. And I think that would be the worst possible outcome. Do you see, you know, there's now obviously the Shah, his son, Reza Pahlavi, lives here. Is that of any credibility within, you know, or even Mosavi, who was the reform candidate in 2009, who's been under house arrest. I don't know. Is he their Nelson Mandela figure? Is there someone in the way that Khomeini led them in 79 from out of the country and then into the country? Is a figure exist like that? Not in the way that Khomeini was organized and had support rallying behind him without a lot of dissent, right? I don't think that there's any of the leadership of the system now or people who are in prison that folks inside Iran look to as their savior. A lot of people have been calling the name, you know, Reza Pahlavi in the streets during his protest. But I don't know that, I mean, he's lived in exile for 47 years. That's kind of a lot to ask, right? And I don't think we have a great track record. Just to hold their country and be like, so what's your Netflix password? Let's just get this going. Yeah, we don't have a great track record with that. But it does leave us like, is this just there are no good options for the people of Iran who are suffering at an incredible level? I don't think there are any good obvious options, but I do think that over the last, gosh, you know, 17 years since 2009, we should have been making inroads to opposition folks. I know from personal experience and relationships, hundreds of Iranian intellectuals and dissidents now exiled here in the United States, who many who drive Ubers, right? People that should be informing our policy and helping us understand this place. And there hasn't been a great space for them in these conversations. And I think, you know, it's never too late, but it's pretty freaking late. And in terms of understanding our ability to understand those things is getting worse and worse, you know, you are at the Freedom Desk at the Washington Post, which is the Washington Post. Like, you're on the Freedom Desk. Do you get like a window or are you in a door? Are you in a closet? Like, it's the Washington Post. Like these guys, they spend $80 million on a Melania documentary, and yet they're cutting all the reporting overseas. I mean, you must do you just walk in there and go like, where's Bezos or Bezos? However you're. What? You know, let's spend a little less on the boat foam wedding party and keep some reporters in Tehran. I know that you can't say anything. So I'm just going to keep talking. Well, wonderful. Can I keep talking? I'm not here to trample on your first amendment rights. You know what? Thank you so much for saying that. It is the level. What is just in terms of being there, the level of frustration. I mean, the United States government just raided a reporter in the Washington Post, raided their house. Seize devices. Seize devices. Do all things. You're on the Press Freedom Desk at that newspaper. Your owner has, I would assume, 24-7 access to him. They just did a screening. How can this happen? How do we protect the Press Freedom at home so that we don't become Iran? Well, I can't speak to anyone else who's thinking besides my name. But... Careful, careful. Jason? No. But I will tell you that day in and day out, and we've seen our staff increase and decline in numbers throughout the entire time that I've been at the Washington Post, coming up on 14 years. We've consistently punched above our weight, broken incredible stories from Ukraine to the White House, right? We're at the front line of this every single day. We're going to be continuing to do that, you know, no matter. Bring it home, Jason. Come on, Jason. Bring it home. We need you on that wall. Come on, brother. Preach. The Washington Post is never going to back down from covering these stories. We have the most incredible staff in the business, and I promise you, I promise you, whoever goes to work in that building tomorrow, the next day, a month from now, is going to keep breaking stories, keep holding power to account better than anybody else. Thank you. Sign up for the Freedom Desk Newsletter at the Washington Post. Let me tell you something. If there's anybody that I can trust to continue this effort without fear of error, it's a guy who had to spend 544 days in one of the most difficult places on this entire earth, and to do so with your integrity and your soul intact is a monumental human achievement, sir, and I cannot help but salute you in all of that. Jason Rosalind, we're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back after this. This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe, and this Simply Safe On is the sound of peace of mind. Simply Safe's sensors, HD cameras, and 24-7 security monitoring protect your home inside and out against break-ins, fires, water leaks, and more, so you can relax. Visit SimplySafe.co.uk slash pod for an exclusive discount. That's all for tonight. Before we go, we're going to check in with your host for the rest of the week, Desi Lime. Desi! What's going on, this one? Well, John, Kanye released a full-page ad in the Wall Street Journal apologizing to Jewish people for his Nazi phase. So John, as the representative of all Jewish people, do you accept? I'm really not the representative of all Jewish people. Oh, okay, well can you at least like bring it up in the next meeting or whatever? We don't really have meetings, so it's... Really? It's not what Kanye said. When did you guys decide to ruin his Adidas deal? All right, Desi Lime, everybody. Here it is, your moment of silence. We didn't ruin it. As soon as they organized, who's out there? You've got the liberal media, the national socialists, all those communist groups that are there to divert, and that's exactly what they want. They're anarchists, they're in Congress, they want to destroy our country, they hate our country, they hate our flag, they hate our veterans, they hate our God, they hate democracy, and they hate capitalism. They want to destroy it and create some kind of wokotopia. 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