Ep. 830: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CCII
54 min
•Feb 4, 20264 months agoSummary
MeatEater Trivia Episode 830 features a 10-round quiz show with six contestants competing across hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking topics. Guest Doug Duren, who composes the show's theme music, discusses his nonprofit Sharing the Land, which facilitates private land access for hunters and anglers through conservation work exchanges, now operating across 53 properties in 15 states.
Insights
- Private land access remains the #1 limiting factor for hunters and anglers, driving demand for innovative solutions like conservation-based land-sharing models
- Edge habitat management and mosaic habitat creation are more effective than isolated edge zones for supporting diverse wildlife populations
- Habitat restoration work (savanna restoration, feather edging, uneven silviculture) is increasingly collaborative, with access seekers participating in landowner conservation projects
- Black walnut trees represent significant financial assets in agricultural regions, with mature specimens valued at $5,000-$40,000+, creating incentives for timber management
- Nonprofit models for land access are gaining traction as alternatives to traditional lease-based hunting access
Trends
Conservation-based land access models emerging as sustainable alternative to traditional hunting leasesHabitat mosaic management gaining acceptance over traditional edge habitat-only approachesCollaborative habitat restoration involving multiple stakeholders becoming standard practice on managed propertiesNonprofit expansion in outdoor access sector (Sharing the Land grew from concept to 53-property nonprofit in 3-4 years)Integration of GPS-based fishing technology (spot lock trolling motors) reducing demand for traditional drift socksWildlife disease management becoming more prominent (blue tongue, EHD affecting wild ungulate populations)Outdoor media companies expanding long-form content offerings (MeatEater 12 and 26 series)Regional retail consolidation in outdoor/hunting sector (Menards expansion from Wisconsin/Minnesota base)
Topics
Private Land Access for Hunting and FishingConservation-Based Land Sharing ModelsHabitat Edge Management and RestorationSavanna and Grassland RestorationBlack Walnut Timber ManagementWildlife Disease Management (Blue Tongue, EHD)Peregrine Falcon ConservationDrift Sock vs. GPS Spot Lock TechnologyNonprofit Organizational Structure for Access ProgramsFeather Edge Habitat WorkUneven Silviculture Forest ManagementAnthropomorphism in Wildlife CommunicationNational Park Overcrowding and AccessHunting Blind Construction and DesignTrivia Game Show Format for Conservation Fundraising
Companies
Sharing the Land
Doug Duren's nonprofit facilitating private land access through conservation work exchanges; operates 53 properties a...
Menards
Home improvement retailer selling 4x8 and 6x6 hunting blind kits ($900-$1,000); operates across 15 states from Wyomin...
MeatEater
Media company producing long-form hunting/fishing content; launching MeatEater 12 and 26 series and Studio 3.0 facility
Bass Pro Shops
Retailer mentioned in trivia question regarding drift sock/drift anchor fishing equipment
Iowa State University
Referenced for research on black walnut as most valuable tree species in Iowa
Oklahoma Department of Wildlife
Source for edge habitat definition used in trivia question
Merriam-Webster
Dictionary source for scampi definition used in final trivia question
People
Doug Duren
Founder of Sharing the Land nonprofit; MeatEater theme composer; guest contestant; manages savanna restoration on his...
Aldo Leopold
Conservation pioneer whose Aldo Leopold Foundation's Game Cooperative inspired Doug Duren's Sharing the Land model
Spencer Newharth
Host of MeatEater Trivia; South Dakota-based; conducts 10-round quiz show for conservation fundraising
Randall Williams
Trivia contestant who achieved perfect 10/10 score and donated $1,000 prize to Sharing the Land
Steve Ranella
MeatEater founder; inspired Doug Duren's land access initiative; mentioned as podcast host
Craig Harper
Ecologist whose habitat management research influenced Giannis's approach to edge habitat and mosaic management
Giannis
Trivia contestant; woodland property manager; collaborates with Sharing the Land on habitat restoration
Seth
Trivia contestant; involved in MeatEater roasts; participates in habitat work
Hansi
Trivia contestant; former competitive skier; familiar with Beaver Creek ski area bird-themed runs
Riva
Trivia contestant; grew up in Menards country; lowest score at end of game
Quotes
"Access to places to hunt and fish is the number one limiting factor for folks"
Spencer Newharth•Mid-episode
"The variety and density of life is often the greatest along edges"
Aldo Leopold (cited)•Question 5 discussion
"Make edge habitat, just be everywhere. Make that be your main habitat instead of just having it along the edges"
Giannis (paraphrasing Craig Harper)•Question 5 discussion
"It's not the people involved. It's the mission. Anything we can do for access is money well spent"
Randall Williams•Final question
"We're trying to recruit more landowners, especially in states where we have a lot of access seekers"
Doug Duren•Opening segment
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26, presented by Moultrie Mobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meat Eaters' biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes, so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eater's YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I'm your host, Spencer Newharth, and today we're joined by Giannis, Randall, Seth, Riva, Hansi, and Doug Duren. This is a 10-round quiz show with questions from Meat Eaters 4 Verticals, which are hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking. And there is a prize. Meat Eater will donate $500 to the Conservation Organization of the Winner's Choosing. Now, here's a stat for you, Doug. You have made more guest appearances than anyone else in Meat Eater trivia history. So, welcome back. Congrats, Doug. Again. It's not like it's that many. Well, yeah. It's your third or fourth time, I think, on the show. Oh, I don't know. Really? Yeah. All I know is I suck at it, so. You played trivia way back in the old studio, Studio 1.0. I remember you and Heffinger were there together. That's right. You played trivia. It was really hot in there. Yeah, this room does the same thing. Jim had all the answers. And for those that don't know, Doug sings and composed the theme music for this year show. Yeah, that's right. Oh, and the last time I was here, I added a verse at the end that I am proud to say is getting played at the end. That's right. Yep. Complete with Randall's guffaw when I said he likes to kill those two and three year old bucks. That doesn't sound like me. Doug was in Studio 1.0. He's now played in 2.0. We got a 3.0 that's being worked on. We'll have you back then. Are we allowed to talk about that? Yeah, we are. Yeah. Why not? If we talk about it, then it has to happen. I don't know. Grand reveals are fun. We're going to talk about it all the time. Steve did call me yesterday trying to drastically change the plans for Steve. If you want to know how it's going. Perfect. After hours. Yeah. Now, Doug has some news to share about sharing the land. Doug, what do you have for us? So three years ago, four years ago, a couple of friends of mine and I started experimenting with an idea. tried to prove this concept that was built off of Elder Leopold's Ride of the Game Cooperative in that Leopold and some buddies did conservation work on a farmer's property in exchange for access to that property. And the conservation work they did, much of it is still there. It's really kind of a cool place to go and visit. It's called the Ride of the Game Cooperative. About the same time I met Steve Ranella, I was doing a bicycle trip out in that area, saw the sign and, um, it inspired me to eventually come up with this idea, just really stealing Leopold's idea, um, to start a private land access initiative. That's as old as time, right? That you trade, um, work for, for access. But what we try to do is expand it to be mostly about conservation and making a contribution to conservation somewhere. And I'm proud to say that in our third year, we just became, or beginning of our fourth year now, a nonprofit. And we have 53 properties in 15 states. And as you might imagine, we have a lot of demand and not as much supply. So we're always looking for landowners and that's the mission now. So we became a nonprofit organization. And as such, I would just like you all to keep that in mind. Yeah. Twist some arms, Doug. Subtle, Doug. Subtle. I'd like to think that I would win, but also having not done very well at this. So I'm just putting it all in your heads that sharing the land would be a worthy... What would you do with $500 if somebody won today and gave that money to sharing the land? Well, we have some website development that needs to be done. That's one place where we're going to be putting some things. But the other part is, as I said, we're trying to recruit more landowners, especially in states where we have a lot of access seekers. So traveling to those, uh, it'll help us to pay like, uh, entry fees to get into, um, uh, you know, like, uh, a landowner gathering or a trade show or something like that. Yeah. I've seen polling before that, um, access to places to hunt and fish is the number one limiting factor for folks. So a worthy cause that you're doing there, Doug. Let's see if we can get some money over there today. What's happening on the Durin farm these days? Give us an update. Wow. Well, speaking of projects that some of my access seekers are helping us with, like Giannis, I'm doing a savannah restoration on our project, which we're creating more grassland, which is great for turkeys, as I was telling Seth earlier. earlier. Um, you know, the white tail deer don't really seem to need any help from us at all. Um, I'm interested in the, the grasslands. I know Yaddy just, he can't stand it when I say that, but, um, um, I like grassland birds. I like grassland species. I like diversity. And, uh, and so we're, you know, restoring native habitats and that's, and it's been really fun to have people there helping us with it. We're learning about it and making that kind of contribution there you go no calving these days though those days i don't have any cattle anymore would you normally be like in the center of calving season right now when we when i had cattle i would wait until march april okay yeah so you don't miss it you know i miss having cattle in the summer because they look so nice out there but i don't miss them in the winter when you gotta go out there when it's freezing cold and deal with them given your your headwear today there's it's right for a joke all hat no cattle that's good uh what are you doing at meat eater hq this week i'm sorry what are you doing at meat eater hq how do we get you in bozeman um well today uh i worked with janice and uh the crew on a meat eater roasts that seth and uh chris gill were involved with and it was great fun um yesterday i was on steve's podcast and i didn't really contribute much it was a screw worm expert. And I just kind of felt like I was the dumb guy in the corner saying things like, well, it's interesting. You should do that today for us as well. I'm hoping I can get a couple, right? I'm just hoping I can beat the Shelby index. There you go. And then tomorrow we're doing another roast. Wow. That's right. We're putting Doug through the car wash. Great fun. Meat Eater HQ. All right. We have some housekeeping to get to before we play trivia. The fourth annual meat eater trivia tournament returns next week. Steve Brody, Randall and Giannis will be competing for the title of meat eater trivia champion. The tournament will be 30 questions across three episodes. Doug, give us a prediction for who will win the whole thing. Steve Brody, Randall, Giannis. I haven't torn between Brody and, and Randall. Okay. I like that. I'd say it's a toss up there. All right. No Steve though. No. That's where the sharp audience is. Steve's just going to, you know, he's going to try to bend. He'll bend answers. Yes, he will. And I like that you stand strong against that. Giannis, on the other hand, I think is the dark horse thing. Okay. Very dark horse. He's been hot lately. We'll see how he does today. There you go. All right. The Shelby Index for today is a four, so our winners should get eight correct answers. And with that, we're on to the game of trivia. Play the drop, Phil. look i need to know what i stand to win everything how's that just tend to win everything game on suckers question one the topic is public lands and this will be multiple choice Angel's Landing is the most famous hike in this national park. Is it Yosemite, Great Smoky Mountains, Grand Canyon, or Zion? And Doug, the question is on the screen behind you there. You'd rather see it than hear it. Angel's Landing is the most famous hike in this national park yosemite great smoky mountains grand canyon or zion randall didn't even need choices there he had his answer locked in man i'm second guessing myself okay it's a good question i like the question thank you yanni did you come up with it i came up with that angel's landing is the most famous hike in this national park yosemite great smoky mountains Grand Canyon, Zion. I've got it narrowed down to two. Okay. Looks like Randall is the only one who knew the answer. Hansi, do you like your answer? I think Hansi's got it. I think I've got it. Okay. Did you know this one without the choices? I had to run through some similar area. You'd have gotten there. Yeah. Okay. Angels Landing, the most famous hike in this park. Your four choices. Yosemite, Great Smoky Mountains, Grand Canyon, Zion. Have you been there, Spencer? We could talk about it afterwards. Giannis, do you have your answer? No. Do I need to have one already? I think we're waiting on you. Yosemite, Great Smoky Mountains, Grand Canyon, Zion. It's got to narrow down to two. Oh, gosh. It's so hard when you don't actually know it. Better pick one. I feel like it's easy when you don't know it. There's two types of people, Seth. Giannis? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth says the Grand Canyon. Giannis, Grand Canyon. Randall and Hansi and Riva and Doug. Say Zion. They got it. The correct answer. Nice. Zion National Park. Do you want to know the secret to my success? Yeah. What is it? If you don't know the answer, letter C or the third choice. Oh, well, that was the fourth choice. So you didn't even listen to your success. That's the route I took. See, I'm looking over my shoulder. Angel's Landing is a 5.4-mile round-trip hike that gains about 1,500 feet in elevation. it's so popular that you're required to enter a lottery to draw a permit to do the hike it's one of the deadliest trails in the national park system with 13 deaths on the hike since the year 2004 most occurred during the last half mile where hikers hold on to a metal chain as they follow a knife edge ridge i have been to zion national park i haven't done this hike i would say zion is one of the most overrated parks because to see most of it you have to get on a shuttle and that's where I draw the line for seeing a national park. It feels like an amusement park at that point. Way over visited. It's one of the places that has been destroyed by the Instagram age. Yeah, there are flagship national parks. I would say all four of them in your choices there were part of the flagship parks and Zion is one of them. You've got to be willing to get on a shuttle bus and just be shoulder to shoulder with people. Not an experience that I wanted to do, so I did not do this hike. it's cool if you're a climber what's the question? I might have the word wrong no you're right via ferrata via ferrata it's close the iron way it's mostly like not no like cables or anything like that last half mile though you can hold on to that chain and that's where 13 people have falled and died question two the topic is fishing this is our listener question of the week which was won by Murphy Shaw for sending this great question Murphy is going to get a board game signed by the crew. If you want a chance to win our listener question of the week, then send your question to trivia at the meat eater.com. The topic is fishing. Bass pro says this contraption, which helps your boat on, which helps position your boat on windy days. Looks like quote, a huge ice cream cone with the small end cutout. Randall, the only player to answer so far bass pro says, This contraption, which helps position your boat on windy days, looks like, quote, a huge ice cream cone with the small end cutout. This could be a zero percenter. Gosh, I know it. I know I've used them, but I don't know if I know the name of the contraption. You can picture it. You've touched one, maybe. Seth now has his answer. Seth, do you have this right? I mean, I know what it is, but I don't know what the technical term is. Do you have one of these in your boat right now? No. No. Bass Pro says this contraption, which helps position your boat on windy days, looks like a huge ice cream cone with the small end cut out. It's a good question. Good question, but we may stump all six players. I have two options that I'm... A contraption which helps position your boat on windy days looks like a huge ice cream cone with the small end cut out Seth did you look at Yanni answer I did yeah Do you agree with him It not what I have down Okay. But he might be right. Do you like what he has down? Oh, boy. Or do you like yours better? I don't think it's a bad answer what he has written down. Okay. Seth prefers his answer. I feel like, yeah. I'm not going to say anything. Randall, do you like your answer? sort of Doug do you have this one right I have an answer this might be one of those that's interesting since C wasn't an option this time Bass Pro says this contraption which helps position your boat on windy days looks like a huge ice cream cone with the small end cut out Is everybody ready? Yeah. Giannis? Come on, Gianni. He's changing his answer that Seth didn't like. Yeah, I'm just going to choose one of the two that I have. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth says drift bag. Giannis says wind anchor. Randall says drift anchor. Hansi says wind anchor. Reva says airstream flag thing. and Doug says cone drag. The correct answer is drift sock or drift anchor. Now, Randall is the only one, I think, who had the answers that I revealed. Giannis, what did you say? Wind anchor. I don't think we're going to give you that. Seth, what did you have? Drift bag. Drift bag. That one is closer. Google it. I will Google drift bag and see what that comes up with. What about cone drag? Why don't you Google cone drag? Cone drag, we're not going to give you that. Come on. What was the action? Well, I think we'll give you drift bag because I'm seeing results here that call them drift socks or trolling bags. So I think we'll give you drift bag. But nothing about wind anchors. Wind anchor. You know what? I'll Google that as well. Wait a minute. What would you like, Doug? I had half of it, right? Drag. So coned drag. Wind anchor, I'm not getting anything at all. Besides things for tents, it looks like. So we'll give it to Seth. One of the two words. He snuck in there. Randall had both words. Not a good start, Reba. I wanted to say wind anchor, but since wind was in the question, that's what tipped my hand. A drift sock can be used with a trolling motor or on its own. Its purpose is to slow down your boat from moving too fast with the current or wind. Drift socks are parachute-shaped and attached to your boat with a harness. They are especially popular among walleye, bass, and catfish anglers. They were. Now, why in the world would you know that, Randall? or did you just put that together in your brilliant mind no i i i mean i know what it is and that for whatever reason that's the name that came to me i knew it was a type of anchor drift sock wind or drift anchor and then because there's wind in the question i'm always skeptical of repeating a word from the question seth why don't you think they're popular anymore because the spot lock so folks don't need yeah new new technology with trolling motors and stuff no one uses i've never seen anyone use them before. I've been using them my whole life. Really? I haven't had a spot lock on my boats. If Spencer had written on breezy days, I would have gone with wind anchor, I think. So tell me what a spot lock is. So most trolling motors these days have a thing called spot lock where you get to the spot and you hit a button and it anchors you there based off a GPS. So the trolling motor will move to keep you in one spot. And it will adjust. So if the wind goes from 5 mile an hour to 20 mile per hour, recognize that and keep you there. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26, presented by Moultrie Mobile and OnX Maps, 12 of Meat Eaters' biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eater's YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. question three the topic is wildlife this next great question is via levi s this falcon is the world's fastest animal dog quickly going to his whiteboard this time randall already has his answer yanni and seth are joining them how do we spell this this falcon is the world's fastest animal this is question three doug you have this one right i think i do i'm confident but i also often have false confidence when seth questioned how to spell it did that help you you think do you then be like oh okay yeah okay this felt there'd be two f's or four This falcon is the world's fastest animal Hansi, do you have this one right? I don't know I'm not super confident Did you ever ski Beaver Creek, Hansi? Yeah, I skied the downhill I don't know The Super G, actually Not the downhill Oh, in your racing days? Yeah You know, Jennifer used to groom that scary sucker It's wild When we showed up to like Just because you slipped the course, you know Yeah there was the starting ref and like the course workers were, the two were roped up and in crampons next to the starting gate, which is like really intimidating to begin with. But then one of the coaches went out and of course the coaches don't sharpen their skis and he fell and slid for like half a mile. And it was like, I'm surprised that you could even slip that upper section. Well, I mean, you just turn them sideways and go. I mean, slipping. Use your edges, man. The reason this came up is because that whole area of Beaver Creek is all named after Birds of Prey. That course is the Birds of Prey Downhill Course. Good tie-in. And all of the runs around it are all named after different Birds of Prey. Do you recall this one? Yes, it is. I recall the name, but I'm trying right now to figure out which exact run it was. They had a cool thing called the Talons Challenge. And it was a great event where you would ski, and they were all bump runs and long bump runs, like multiple thousand feet bump runs. And you had to ski every single run. At the end of it, you got like a beer and a hot dog. Okay. And the hat said Talons Challenge finisher. Let's see if that mountain helped Yanni get this one right. Is everybody ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth says... That's Peregrine Falcon. Yachty says Peregrine Randall I'm not embarrassing myself Reva says the Flash Doug Peregrine Falcon They got it It's a Peregrine Falcon Peregrine Falcons are found across the globe From Alaska to Africa to Australia These birds can reach 60 miles per hour during normal flight And 240 miles per hour During a hunting dive Their quickness is thanks to the perfect aerodynamic design and specialized respiratory system, which allows them to breathe at speeds that would rupture the air sac of most birds. Does anybody know what that little hawk or falcon is that lives around our office building that was eating that pigeon the other day? A little kestrel? They're like the babiest of the round. Got killed? It was dead in the tree out back. Nate told me that he got killed. What happened? I don't know. Nobody did a necropsy on it? No. FWP came and got it. Oh, they did? Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. They lived outside my office window for like two weeks. It was really a great horned owl? What kind of owl was it? I think it was a great horned owl, yeah. One of my chickens got killed, too. By Cal's dog? On Monday? No, this is the first mystery killing. Okay. One by Cal's dog, one by my own hand. And then this third one, we don't know. Who were the suspects? well i don't know how old you have to check it was chewed up it was it was eaten yeah and the top suspect always has to be a spouse so your wife is on the list no she was she was horrified by this she said there were could be an act good cover she said there were vultures in the air and and she googled whether vultures will actually kill a chicken versus just scavenging on it and apparently they're known to do that. I can't attest to the rest of those claims. That would shock me. That's what the internet told her. And I have nothing else to go on, Spencer. Okay. Cats? What was eaten on it? Like, was the head eaten off of it? From the guts, basically. From, like, the ribs back to the uni hole. Okay. I'm thinking Sydney. Do you ever get emails that there's too much interstitial? Just banter. No, I think folks, it would be the other way. They would rather us have like a 45-minute episode than a 32-minute episode. There's no one that just is coming here just for the trivia. I mean, probably are, but... They don't write in. I don't think they're too annoyed yet. Question four. The topic is hunting. Well, we're only on question four. They're about to be. This home improvement store where customers, quote, But Save Big Money sells kits that allow you to build your own 4x8 or 6x6 hunting blind. Save Big Money is in quotation marks. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. The jingle just went off in my head. The way they write it is that BIG is all capital letters. This home improvement store where customers save big money sells kits that allow you to build your own 4x8 or 6x6 hunting blower. My dad's a big fan. Oh, really? Yeah, it's a very regional question. Doug is confident. Reva, very confident. Yanni and Randall have it. What is the extent of these, like the footprint of these stores? Anybody know? Oh, well, I may give it away if I say, but I do look ahead of time because I don't want to make a question that's just like, you know, in two states or something like that. This one has a bigger footprint than that. This home improvement store where customers save big money sells kits that allow you to build your own 4x8 or 6x6 hunting blind. This may be a 6x6 question. Is everybody ready? I don't know. Go ahead and reveal your answer. Seth says Fleet Farm, Giannis, and Randall, and Hansi, and Reva, and Doug say Menards. They got it. The correct answer. Save big money at Menards. Is Menards. Never heard of that. And they stretch from Wyoming to West Virginia. Wow. They have stores, and then obviously going further south and north. I think they started in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Started in Wisconsin. That's right. The 4x8 ground blind kit costs $900, while the 6x6 elevated blind kit costs $1,000. Hailing from Wisconsin, Menards is best known for their mail-in rebates and catchy jingle. Phil, please play that sweet banjo music. I think you just sold some online. Plumbing electrical appliances too. I haven't heard this part before. The savings will always come right back to you. You'll save big money. You'll save big money. So hard to resist singing along. It's hard to resist a banjo. Was this something that you heard like when you're growing up? Well, I grew up in Menards country and some of my first tree stands I bought were from Menards because they sold a $35 tree stand. And it was a $35 tree stand. So I was familiar that they had a hunting section. They didn't sell these ground blankets where I live. Not that I would have bought one, but I'm familiar with Menards and their outdoor offerings. I just remember when I was in college in Chicago, just sitting on the couch late at night, having a few cold ones, and the Menards jingle would come on, and we'd all just sing it as impassioned. Was it the entire jingle? Because all I remember is at the tail end of a commercial. That's me too. Save big money at Menards. Did they say today at the end of that? I don't remember. I mean, all I remember. They also had a holiday jingle. That's the Z600 Empire today. Oh, yeah. Bill is showing us photos of these ground blinds. So that's the 6x6 one, and that one's $900. And then there's the elevated one, the 4x8. That's $1,000. It's pretty nice. There are. Not insulated, no windows. Yeah. There are countless people building them now. And actually, uh, one of my, one of Sharingland sponsors is a blind company also. So you've got a few, uh, permanent blinds on the farm. Oh my gosh. Yeah. We, we have a big one that Cal came and hunted and I, it's a, it's a really beautiful blind zero four, uh, of the doors. Um, the nicest blind I've ever had. And Cal had this rifle that, um, I was given and I didn't know what I was going to do with He said, I'll tell you what you do with that rifle, Douglas. You take it up there and you put that in that office of yours Because I have two office chairs in it I mean it is ridiculous place to go but uh it a good spot there you go no menard specials on the phone though no question five the topic is conservation the oklahoma department of wildlife defines blank habitat as quote the transitional zone between two habitats like where grassland meets forest Seth and Randall already have their answers. Yanni's texting. Okay. Doug is joining them. The Oklahoma Department of Wildlife defines blank habitat as the transitional zone between two habitats, like where grassland meets forest. Boy, do I have some flavor text. Okay. Have you made this type of habitat on your farm? Okay. Reva, who knew Menards because she grew up in Menards country, does not have this one. Doug, he grew up in Menards country. Seth, you're not, you weren't in Menards country. No, I'd never heard that jingle before. I don't think I've ever heard the jingle. No. Wow. You're welcome. I don't think I've ever been in a Menards. Okay. Wow. So you said farm and fleet, and there's another one called Fleet Farm. I said Fleet Farm. You said Fleet Farm. The way you lit up made me think it might have been Fleet Farm because that's in your neck of the woods, right? Yeah, but you saved... Oh my gosh, now I've got the jingles mixed up. You find value at Farm and Fleet. There's Mills Fleet Farm, there's Blair's Farm and Fleet. I don't know whether or not to save big money or find value. Tough choice. That's good, Phil. Randall, you grew up in Menards country. No, I don't think I'd ever heard of Menards until I was living in Chicago. I bet Ohio has like a dozen Menards. They might have, but that might have been encroachment. It might have been encroachment since I left there in the early 2000s. I don't know that Pennsylvania has one. I don't think they do. I was looking at the map. They were awful close to the Pennsylvania border. West Virginia had a few. All right, again, we're on question five. The Oklahoma Department of Wildlife defines blank habitat as the transitional zone between two habitats, like where grassland meets forest. Is everybody ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth and Yanni and Randall and Hansi say edge. Riva says ideal. Doug says edge. I don't like that. That's not wrong. I know. The correct answer is edge habitat or ecotone. Edge habitat is so important because these areas contain a greater abundance and greater diversity of wildlife. This is true for most animals from big game to insects. Now, the Leopold was one of the first to notice this trend, writing in 1933 that, quote, the variety and density of life is often the greatest along edges. Doug, give me some examples of edge habitat on the Durin farm. we, uh, do some, what's called feather edge work where we will go along, uh, the edge of a field where it's transitioning from, um, the field or the CRP into the woods. And rather when we, when we farmed it, you kept those edges real. So it was like an L and what you're trying to do is create a more of a the long side of a triangle a slope and so you go in and cut uh you know like elm or ironwood and just drop it into the edge of the field um and and then allow the brush and whatnot to come up in there and uh that's it we have a lot of that actually around the edges of the field when i was writing this question last night and then researching it uh the feather edge that you talked about there where you trim, you know, uh, like thin out some of the forest. That was the textbook example of the best, you know, edge habitat work you can do. Yanni, is that what you got going on your place? Yeah. I don't have like our place is all woods. Yeah. Um, so you really got to take out some woods if you want to make edge habitat, but Craig Harper, who's probably my favorite, I guess ecologist is maybe what you'd call him. Um, I highly recommend anybody looking to get into you know management to read craig's stuff but he makes the point and i think it's a great point it really changed how i looked at habitat in general and edge habitat is he's like look the only reason it's like edge habitat is because you have two different habitats that come together and then you're saying oh well i really like the habitat where they come together. You can have that same type of habitat over a greater area. It doesn't just have to be that one edge, if that makes sense. And it's really all about controlling sunlight. And so, you know, the quail or the rabbit or whatever that live along that edge, they don't want to be out in the middle of the field. Maybe it's the grass is too thick. There's not enough, you know, cover from avian predators. And then if you go into the woods, there's no grass. There's nothing, you know, at ground level because it's just open canopy up above. And so he really challenges, I think people to look at it to like, Hey, take edge habitat, but make edge habitat, just be everywhere. Make that be your main habitat instead of just having it along the edges. So like with the work that you're doing, you're creating pockets within your wooded land, right? They're more open. And as a result, you've got smaller, you have brush and grass and all that. So uneven silviculture is one of the... I think a mosaic is a good description. Phil, we're halfway through the game of trivia. Give us a scoreboard update. Anybody's game. Riva. Even mine. Has two points. He's been not too far behind Riva. Seth and Giannis are tied up with three. Doug and Hansi are tied up with four. And with a perfect game at halftime. It's Randall Williams, probably grateful that Brody is not here today. Could be $1,000. I really enjoy scheduling games of trivia for when other employees of this fine company have to go pick up their kids. So if we could just continue with our late afternoon recording, it's great. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26, presented by Moultrie Mobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meat Eater's biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eater's YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Question six. The topic is wildlife. This next great question is via Sam Rival. This 16 letter word is defined as, quote, the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal or object. I just wrote a trivia question. Oh, should I say this? I'm not going to say it because I want it to be a surprise Randall is counting his letters This 16 letter word This may be the longest answer we've ever had I was about to ask Is defined as the attribution of human characteristics Or behavior to a god Animal or object Randall you have this one right? Boy I hope so Spencer Hansi you got 16 letters down there? Yeah I think I got it Doug is also counting Oh no Uh-oh. Fifteen. Okay. Well, maybe you misspelled something. Wait a minute. I have too many. You can give one of your letters to Reba, and then you guys will have it. This 16-letter word is defined as the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object. I actually couldn't read my own handwriting well enough to count mine, so I'm just going off my gut. Okay, you're just confident. Yeah, I was trying to distinguish. Is that a... And I just said, whatever. Giannis, how you doing? I'm pretty sure I have the right answer, but it's one letter short. I don't know how many 16-letter words exist out there. So if you're close, I bet you have it, Reba. Gianni. I'm literally writing, okay? Give me a break. It's 16 letters. I don't know. 16 letters. Spelling is going to... So you're going to have to have the spelling correct. You don't have to have it correct. As long as you have 16 letters. That's right. Well, you can even have 15 letters and we'll call it close enough. Maybe I ought to try a third. I have two spellings. Maybe I ought to try a third. This is not a spelling bee, but I think when we get in that new studio, we're going to have a spelling bee someday. Oh, great. With our trivia players. Count me out for that one. Maybe we'll have a jabroni team of spellers. I don't even want to be a part of that. Yanni, you still stuck on 15? Not going to hold it against you if you only got 15 letters. But it probably won't. You wouldn't win the Mediator spelling bee, though. This 16-letter word is defined as the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object. I can't stop you on it. I'm just going to go with the spelling's close. one letter too many or two S. Throw an S on the end. That's what I do, Doug. No shame to it. I thought about putting an S on the end. Giannis. I'm guessing there's one I need to double somewhere. Oh my gosh, now I have two answers. Is one of those 16 letters? I'm not going to be punished for having two different... Well, you got to have one answer locked in. If you flip over that whiteboard and you have two answers, Doug, you're going to get it wrong. Unless they add up to 16 letters together. Yanni has picked his word. Doug, do you have your answer? Close enough for country dancing. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth says anthropomorphize. Yannis, anthropomorphize. Randall, anthropomorphism. Hansi, anthropomorphism. Riva, personification. Douglas, anthropomorphize. The correct answer is anthropomorphism. If you said anthropomorphize, we'll give that to you. As well, some creative spellings in the room. Those 16 letters. A-N-T-H-R-O-P-O-M-O-R-P-H-I-S-M. Anybody have that right on? Yes. I think both of those guys do. See, I actually wrote the question literally yesterday with anthropomorphization, and it was 20 letters. Wow. Yeah. But I guess I won't be using that one. anthropomorphism can be applied to fictional animals like the teenage mutant ninja turtles or smoky bear and real animals like wolves in yellowstone or the big giant bucks on doug's farm anthropomorphism is a part of being human with anthropologists saying we've done this for 40 000 years as evidenced by ancient statues and cave art that depict animals with human-like qualities doug give me an example but hold on hold on personification which i also had and reva had is the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristic to something non-human. Is it 16 letters? Or the representation of an abstract quality in human form. No, it's 15. Oh, I'm sorry. You were so close. 16 letters, though. We said we need it. Doug, do some anthropomorphizing of critters on your farm. You got like a buck who's a real bully or maybe a turkey who's really smart. Well, oh, we have a turkey that's, we call him Limpy. He's been around for, uh, this will be his, if he's around this spring, it'll be his third season of seeing him. And he was a two year old when I first saw him limping. That sounds like a job for the Latvian Eagle. I've seen him. And it's so funny because I had a friend there hunting and I was like, oh, there he is out in the field. And, uh, and he's like jacking that leg. You know, he walks like a pirate. You know, it's just what he makes me think of. And he goes, I think I can catch him. And I was like, hey, go ahead. It's not like his wings are broken. It's his leg. And I really want somebody to kill him because it's just a stiff leg. It's like his knee doesn't work. He looks like a pirate. It's like a peg leg. Oh, limpy. This might be the spring it happens. Question seven. The topic is woodsmanship. This next great question is via Colton Gitterman. Iowa State University says this type of walnut tree, which is used to make high-end furniture, is, quote, the most valuable tree in Iowa. Man, you'd be a nice tree. Oh, bone to Doug. Mm-hmm. Been throwing the bones the whole time. Or Reva, who grew up in the driftless region of Iowa. Or not. Iowa State University says this type of walnut tree, which is used to make high-end furniture, is, quote, the most valuable tree in Iowa. Any of these on the Durin farm? Yes, sir. Okay. You want to tell us? Planted or natural? Well, we didn't plant any. So they were introduced over time. And I will say this. We plant it or we, I guess it's walnut tree. So they drop walnuts on the ground. And if you have them near the edge of a CRP field, the squirrels are going out and planting, which is a real pain in the butt because you can't have woody stuff growing in your CRP. So I cut, um, four of these. Oh, did that hurt you? No, they were nice big trees. I mean it didn hurt me at all I had run with chainsaws before but not in this case um and uh they were they were nice trees they weren you know super high grade but you didn't sell like veneer logs off veneer we had a couple we had some veneer logs oh good oh i'd like to know and our net was you know about fifteen hundred dollars a tree which is kind of a low end on some of that. Yeah. But, um. The ones left, you have trail cameras on, so nobody's going to come and steal them either. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and those are the ones though, cause they, in the right condition, they grow really nice and tall and straight. And I have one that's, um, in this spot that would make the perfect, uh, tree stand. Okay. Tree. I did have a guy shimmy up it with a climbing stand, which prompted me to then put a big ring of ribbon and paint around it with a big no on it. Never again. Well, I mean, it was fine because we climbed it. Iowa State University says this type of walnut tree, which is used to make high-end furniture, is the most valuable tree in Iowa. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth and Yanni and Randall and Hansi and Doug. That's just a color. Say play. Reva doesn't have... I'm sorry I didn't do that earlier. No, that's her favorite color. It's a black walnut. Black walnuts are not only the most valuable tree in Iowa, they're one of the most valuable trees in North America. It's estimated that a 50-foot black walnut is worth between $5,000 and $25,000, with 60-footers sometimes worth more than $40,000. The most common uses for black walnut wood are cabinets, furniture, flooring, kitchenware, musical instruments, and gun stocks. What do you think, Seth? You a big fan of Black Walnut? 40K. Like the color of it and stuff? Yeah. I do like it. I like when you get the contrast of the light and the dark. It's rich. Yeah. Spencer, this reminded me that we didn't address my mea culpa from our last woodsmanship question. Oh, okay. Do you want to save that for you? You would like to do it now? No. Should we save it for another time? Sure, yeah. Save it for another time. People on the edge of their seats. Question eight. This episode's running long. The topic is fishing. NBA players went fishing on a daily basis in Bay Lake and World Showcase Lagoon while quarantined at this place in 2020. Randall has his answer. This is going to keep his perfect game going. Our other five players seem stumped. NBA players went fishing on a daily basis in Bay Lake and World Showcase Lagoon while quarantined at this place in 2020. It's also famously where Jimmy Butler opened a coffee stand, Big Head Coffee. It's now a brand of his. Very famous. Where's he from? They were quarantined at this place, not where they lived. Also rumored to have some relations with a reporter at that same place. Lou Williams left this place to go get some chicken wings at Magic City. It's also where the Beatles officially broke up, and Richard Nixon said, I am not a crook. What else, guys? Keep going. What else? What else happened here? NBA players went fishing on a daily basis in Bay Lake and World Showcase Lagoon. I thought I had it right, but now I'm not feeling so good about it. I knew those hints weren't actually hints for anybody. Yeah, I saw that the state of Atlanta, I believe, there's a movement to make the lemon pepper chicken wing their official chicken wing flavor. They should do that. Did I say the state of Atlanta? Yeah. State of Georgia. Jeez. It's late in the day. We should really find a window between when my powers begin to dwindle and I yawn a lot and also after when Brody has to go get his kids. NBA players went fishing on a daily basis in Bay Lake and World Showcase Lagoon while quarantined at this place in 2020. This is question eight. We'll get a scoreboard update after this. Seth, are you going to come up with an answer? Nope. I'm stunned about the Richard Nixon detail he gave us, Phil. We're getting some cell phones. Is that your phone? Cell phones on the table, please. American people need to know. Texting Giannis. Just get it whole. That's bad. It's getting worse, I feel like. I'll take mine out of my pocket. Throw them across the room. Mine's on airplane. That doesn't always help. Is everybody ready? There we go. It's gone now. That was Seth's phone. Seth, do you give up? Yeah, no. Go ahead and reveal your answer. Seth, without an answer, Giannis says, Epcot Center. Randall says Disney World. Hansi says Atlanta. Rivas says San Francisco. Doug says Tampa. I was in the neighborhood. The correct answer is Disney World. Yeah. I think we give it to Giannis. Okay. I was going to go to you, Phil. I was going to defer to you about if Epcot is the same. I don't know if they were actually, here's the thing. I don't know if they were quarantined in Epcot, but World Showcase Lagoon is on. Is on right next to Epcot. I understand the confusion with Atlanta because Lou Williams went to Magic City, but he traveled outside of the quarantine bubble under the auspices of going to a funeral for a relative. God, this was such a bone for Randall. I just got it because I thought you slipped up. The NBA created the bubble to finish their 2019-2020 season. During this time, players were quarantined at Disney World for up to 93 days while the league held its playoffs. Fishing became so popular among players that NBC Sports declared it was, quote, everyone's favorite NBA bubble pastime. Players were allowed to fish on Bay Lake, the Seven Seas Lagoon, Village Lake, Crescent Lake, and the World Showcase Lagoon. These water bodies were stocked with largemouth bass in the 1960s and have been naturally reproducing ever since. There is Luka Doncic holding a large sath. That thing is all head. That is all head. That is not a healthy adult largemouth. And apologies to any Mavericks fans out there. There's a. Lou Alcindor. No. A.D. Or no. No, that's Paul. Who is that? Played for the Sixers then. Now he plays for the Clippers. Doesn't matter. The NBA bubble. Phil, give us a scoreboard update. We have two questions left. It seemed like more of a sports question. with two questions left. It really did. Hanging out with two points. We've got Seth with five. Hansi, Giannis, and Doug now all have six points, and Randall's still holding on to that perfect game with eight. Randall could bomb the next two. Yeah, Paul George. Can you cut all that out when we couldn't recognize Paul George? No. To be fair for listeners, he was staying at a very weird angle where the camera was down near his knees, and so we didn't really get a good head-on look. You can tell the listeners anything. of the listeners who care. He's a passionate angler, though. When he had that big injury a couple years back, they did a feature in, I want to say, Sports Illustrated of him fishing. And he was like, this is how I rehabbed. And it's just him on his boat, just fishing. What kind of boats he got? I don't know. Every boat. Question nine, the topic is hunting. This disease with a colorful name is similar to EHD, killing bison, deer, and antelope. This disease with a colorful name is similar to EHD killing bison, deer, and antelope. Is this going to keep the perfect game going for you, Randy? Oh, I hope so, Spencer. But he's a little flustered. No, I'm just sweating. Yeah, that's what flustered me. Has there been a theme of, is that just the second color question? Well, yeah, we had the black walnuts. And now this one, this disease with a colorful name, is similar to EHD killing bison, deer, and antelope. Randall, Giannis, Seth, Doug all like their answers. Hansi and Reva do not. Reva still has the best time in here. Doug is spying on her whiteboard and had a chuckle. I mean, I kind of angled mine. This disease with a colorful name is similar to EHD, killing bison, deer, and antelope. One of them anyways. Is everybody ready? You're the inspiration. Hansi? I don't know. I don't think I got this right. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth and Giannis and Randall saying blue tongue. Hansi says tuberculosis. Riva says black and blue. Doug says blue tongue. The correct answer is blue tongue. What color is tuberculosis? well with a colorful name i was thinking like fun like jimmy cricket it has some shade of tuberculosis it has some kind of nickname tuberculosis blue it sounds like a jazz tune miles davis made this next one famous both diseases are spread by biting nets which result in similar clinical signs blue tongue is often associated with domestic animals such as sheep and cattle while EHD kills significantly more wild animals such as deer and elk all right here's a correct answer review so far one was Zion National Park two drift sock or drift anchor three peregrine falcon four menards five edge habitat or ecotone six anthropomorphism seven black walnut eight Disney World nine blue tongue Phil give us a scoreboard update uh the update is that Randall has this game locked in. Now the only question is whether or not he can get that extra money. Two, sharing the land. Maybe. Who knows? I'm telling you, man, I love your hair. Randall, let's do this for sharing the land, buddy. $1,000. Brilliant. $1,000, right? Brilliant scholar. What is it? Sharing the land? If he can get this last question right, it will be a $1,000 donation. We're rooting for you, Randall. Question 10. The topic is cooking. Don't mess it up, Spencer. Merriam-Webster defines this six-letter Italian word as, quote, large shrimp prepared with a garlic-flavored sauce. Oh, easy. Okay. We have a confident room. Bellissima. Randall thinks he's going to have a $1,000 donation today. Merriam-Webster defines this six-letter Italian word as large shrimp prepared with a garlic-flavored sauce. Is everybody ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth and Giannis and Randall and Hansi and Riva and Doug saying scampi. They got it. The correct answer is scampi. Most of the world considers scampi to be the peeled tail of any type of prawn. But in the UK, scampi refers to a specific lobster that's found near Norway. In the United States, scampi is usually prepared with garlic, lemon, butter, and white wine, then served over pasta or with bread. And Randall has his perfect game today. He got 10 correct answers. Giannis and Doug. Doug with eight correct answers. Probably your best, strongest performance. Oh, I don't think it's probably. I think it's by three at least. So Randall, who's been in a three-month slump, has ended that with a perfect game. With a perfect game. What are you going to do with that $1,000 donation today? No pressure. I'd like to give it to Sharing the Land. Oh, Sharing the Land. Hey! What do you like about them? Well, it's not the people involved. It's the mission. That's right. Anything we can do for access is money well spent. Doug was saying that that $500 was going to go towards a website, but now we can have two websites with all that money you graciously donated to them. We were updating, and we were talking about AI earlier. Our web guys, we just got an estimate from him for some upgrades that we need to do. I was like, isn't that less than what we have been paying? He goes, AI is doing a lot of it for me now. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. We have three websites. $1,000 going. No, no, no. I mean, it's a big, there's a whole matching thing. Sure, sure. And there's a lot of. $1,000 going to Doug Duren's Sharing the Land. Doug, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. It's always good to see you. Thanks, Spencer. Very entertaining. We'll have you back when Studio 3.0 is over. Join us next week for more Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth, mellow tones, he lays them questions down. And he likes taking those two- and three-year-old bucks. And he's an avid, amateur rock hound. 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