SC EP:1229 The Playground At Night

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. This is Ninka from Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada. You are listening to, in my opinion, the best place to share your encounter story, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be speaking with Brayden. And Brayden comes to us from Washington State. He's actually just north of me, and I know the area well. It's notorious for sightings. I've had many eyewitnesses on over the years from this area, and he moved into this home to kind of help his grandfather out. His grandfather's getting older in years, and he's there just trying to help him out. And Brighton told me, he goes, you know, when I very first moved in, a lot of really weird things started happening around this property, and I'm not really a big believer in Bigfoot, but I'm not really sure what's going on here. So I asked him to come on the show and kind of share what's been happening at that property. We're also going to be chatting with Curtis and about 40 years ago, he was, he's in Northern California. He's playing hide and go seek with his brother and his friends. Three other individuals showed up while they were playing this game, but they weren't kids and they weren't human, and I'll kind of let Curtis go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wes at sasquatchchronicles.com, and if you get a chance to check out sasquatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Brayden to the show. Brayden, thanks for coming on. Hey, no problem. Appreciate you having me. Yeah, and you moved into this property. It was your grandfather's, or it still is your grandfather's property. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were some of the things that you noticed right off the bat? And what's been happening since you've been there? So my grandpa has this property. He's probably lived here about 30 years, something like that. He had some renters because it's just him. He had some renters who were helping him out financially. He doesn't get a lot. So when they moved out, he kind of needed someone to move in and help take care of the place and him. So I took the opportunity and me and my girlfriend moved in, started helping him out with rent and stuff. I started getting, I got this feeling, because I work night shift, I work swing shift, so I get home at 2 o'clock in the morning every morning. And at first, I kind of just chalked it up to it. Oh, it's a new environment. You know, I'm uncomfortable because it's, you know, dark and super quiet. And it, like, just kept growing and growing. This is feeling of, like, someone just staring down my back. It'd be whenever I pull in the driveway. So I'd like pull down the driveway and the way that I park, I have like this transformer, like an in-ground transformer about 30 feet away. And then I pull down this little driveway. It's like adjacent to the house. And then I stare towards this big open field in the field a little bit past it. There's some trees. And then to my left, there's some trees. So it's just, you know, kind of just like a field surrounded by trees. I just would sit in my truck and I'd look at my windshield in my window and just feel like there's something watching me. I actually just started talking to my girlfriend about it. She's like, yeah, I was getting that feeling too. She leaves really early in the morning. She's like, I don't really like getting in my car in the morning. I told her, I was like, oh, you should let your car warm up. She's not really a car person. She used to just hop in it and go. I was like, well, you should probably let it warm up a little bit. She's like, I don't like sitting here. it got to the point where I was so uncomfortable that I would actually call my girlfriend and wake her up at two o'clock in the morning. So she would come outside because I didn't want to get out of my truck anymore. And that I'm the type of person who, you know, I climb in machinery all day and that's active. And, you know, I'm, I hunt all the time and I'm a bushwhacker. So, you know, I just walked through the bush, never have a problem with it, but I've never had a feeling like this ever. It's just like something staring into your soul. I actually went out and bought a rifle and kept it in my truck. And that kind of made me feel better a little bit. Then one night, me and my girlfriend were laying in bed. And it was after I got home. So I just got off work, laid down for a little bit. And not even a half hour later, I kind of was just laying and staring at the ceiling, I guess, trying to fall asleep. And it sounded like something was shuffling outside. And my girlfriend has passed out at this point. And I kind of nudged her awake. I was like, do you hear that? And she's like, what? And then listened. And then we could hear this murmuring. She's like, is that someone talking? And I'm like, why would someone be out here at 2.30 in the morning at this point outside our house whispering? And it kept getting closer and closer to our bedroom area. And the way our room is, is there's a window on either side of it. So you can be on either side, but we always have the curtains drawn. So I'm sitting there and I'm listening and it's on my right. And then I hear it on my left. I'm kind of sitting there. I'm like, what the heck? How's it on both sides? And then I thought about it, you know, kind of half awake at this point. Is there two of these things out there? You know what I mean? Like, what is this? In my head, I'm thinking, okay, there's two people on our property at two o'clock in the morning. But we have the ring cameras that detect movement. And if you come down the driveways, it's going to see you. And there's only one blind spot. And that's to, like, we have a pond on our property and it's towards the pond. And then past the pond is, like, a little bit of a field, probably 100 yards wide. and then Weyerhaeuser. I don't know if everyone knows what Weyerhaeuser is, but it's like thousands of acres of just timberland. And that's like the only side that doesn't have a camera on it. And out of respect for you and your grandfather, I won't say what town you guys are in, but as you're going down I-5, if you blink, you'll miss it. And so I don't see anyone coming up to your guys' window at night. What was it you guys were hearing? Was it people moving around and mumbling? Yeah, it was like people were walking around, and it sounded like someone mumbling. It's like, I don't even really know how to describe it. It was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was like a deep tone, but it was quiet. That's why we were thinking it was a person. I was like, I don't really know any animal that would make a noise like that. It's like it was investigating what was going on. because, I mean, we're new, I guess. We're new people. And this is within, I don't know, probably three weeks of us moving in, which it was still summer at this point. It was just creepy. I didn't really want to move because I didn't know what it was. I had my rifle at this point, but it was in the living room, and I didn't want to get up and go get it. So I started sleeping with the rifle in my room. We'll put it like that. And then probably a week after that, I still got that feeling coming in the door, like something's breathing down your neck. And it's only when you're sitting in the truck, just sitting there, it feels like something's staring at you. You get out and you feel fine until you turn your back to open that door. And then you turn your back to open that door and it's like something's sprinting at you. It's like a wall, I suppose. And it's just the creepiest feeling. But the feeling just persisted for a little bit and then I'll have to send you this recording. But one day I was laying in bed and I heard something walking around again. And my girlfriend was just passed out at this point. I tried to wake her up. She was just not having it. So I was like, okay, whatever. So I put my phone on record. I set it down on the end table and I just kind of laid there trying to be as quiet as I could. And I actually caught something tap, tap, tap on the walls. It was, yeah, it was terrifying. I was like, what the heck? Because I was like, okay, animal, maybe walking around it there. But then it tapped, and then about four minutes later, it tapped again. And it was this tap, tap, tap, but the tapping moved. So I knew it wasn't something in the house. It's like it just tapped the wall on the outside. It's like, well, you can't hear that, but it's just like a tapping. And at first I was like, okay, maybe it was me. And then I was like, no, that was definitely outside on the recording. And I showed it to my coworkers and like, it's pretty quiet on the recording. So we all got in my truck and I turned up the stereo and just listened to it. And they're like, that is creepy, man. And I'm like, I know. Cause I had kind of been telling them about it at this point. They're the ones that encouraged me to get like a rifle. Cause they were like, oh, it might be like a cougar or something stalking me. And I was like, okay, it makes sense. I come home at the same time every day. you know I'm all by myself and then you know I started putting two and two together because I started watching your podcast and I was like when I get home it is really quiet like I mentioned the transformer box earlier it's about 50 feet away and I can hear that humming when I get out of my truck like it is dead silent and I don't remember if I told you or not you don't have to put this in if you don't want to, but I don't remember if I told you or not about my girlfriend calling me about the coyotes. I was at work one night and my girlfriend called me because we have coyotes in the area. There's also like a wolf sanctuary type thing. So it's not unusual to hear like coyotes howling and stuff, but she called me one night, kind of freaked out because I was taking my rifle with me to work at this point because I like keeping it in my truck for when I got out at night. And she called me and she's like, hey, it sounds like these coyotes are killing something. And I was like, okay, it's probably just another animal or something. She's like, no, it sounds like a dying bird or dog. It's like something like yiping and howling. And she's like, I don't know what it is. And I was like, okay, well, it's probably going to be over in like two minutes because if it's a pack of coyotes, I mean, it's going to kill something pretty quick. So I was like, okay, it's probably going to be over pretty quick. And then she's like, no, it's been going on for like 10 minutes. And I was like, what? I was like, that's a pretty long time for a pack because it's a pretty big pack out here. I've been kind of looking into it because I want to start hunting them because the neighbors down the road, they're getting their calves and stuff are getting killed by them. So like I said, pretty big herd. or pack, I guess. So I was like, well, I don't know what it is. I guess I will try to check it out when I get home. And she said it went on for another couple minutes after that, and then it just stopped. But she said it was the most unusual sound of something getting killed that she's ever heard in her life. She's like, it just sounded like they were tearing something up. After that, she started making me leave my rifle at home because she didn't feel comfortable. and then the reason I emailed you was the night that I emailed you I got I like was sitting in my truck and you know I was getting that feeling again because it kind of went away for a little bit because we started having the freezing started so it started getting in the 20s and 30s the feeling just kind of went away and I was like okay well maybe I'm deceased still living here maybe it was an animal you know kind of just doubting myself and you know telling my co-workers at work they're kind of making fun of me you know how that goes you know oh yeah you got you got a cryptid on your land and you know, it's going to get you, you know, just how it goes. And I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, and then it went away. So I was like, okay, maybe I'm in my head. Well, recently my girlfriend actually came to me with this. She's like, you starting to get that feeling in, aren't you? And I was like a little bit. Yeah. Cause it started warming up again. Cause now it's probably in the forties and fifties and sixties. And she's like, yeah, me too. And I was like, oh, okay. Maybe we're just becoming paranoid again. And the night that I emailed you, I was sitting in my truck. I just got home. I kind of got that feeling like someone was watching me. And I was just kind of scanning the tree line, starting from my driver's side window out to my windshield. At first, I didn't see anything. So I kind of looked down and started grabbing my lunch pail and stuff. And I caught something out of the corner of my eye. And I kind of glanced up. And then I saw two eyes staring at me up in a tree on the other side of this field. And I was like, what the heck? I was like, okay, raccoon. And I'm like, well, those are pretty far apart for a raccoon. And I don't remember raccoons having red eyes. And I grew up on a farm as well. So I always hunted raccoons because they would kill my ducks and chickens. So I was like pretty familiar with them. I think they can have red eyes. I think. In some cases. But I was like, that's too high up and too far spread apart. The eyes are just farther apart. And I was like, this got this feeling. I don't even... I don't know how to describe it. Just like... like I just needed to get inside that that second and it was just the feeling of I need to protect my girlfriend because I knew that she was sleeping and I wanted to leave but she leaves the door unlocked for me so I can come in at night because we didn't get a set of keys from my grandpa lost him a long time ago and we live so far out here I don really worry about it Well she leaves the door unlocked and I was just like no I got to get out and go inside So I got out and I walked over to the door just my eyes locked on it And the way the door is, you have to turn to reach up to open the door and then climb up the stairs. So I reach up, and I turn my body away, and I open the door, and it felt like something was sprinting at me. It was a fight or flight at that point. It was terrifying. Did you get your rifle and go back out to investigate those eyes? No, I don't want to go over there. I'm good. How far away from you were these red eyes that you were seeing? Maybe 100 yards. Yeah, I just don't see a raccoon striking the fear in you as you're getting out of your truck. You know, red eyes shined, I would imagine, is possible with raccoons. you would almost have to have the right lighting conditions to get kind of that red eye shine. And you know this, you're an experienced guy, you grew up on a farm. Most of the time, raccoons, their eyes are going to be kind of an orange, amber color or white. I don't know that I've ever seen red eyes from a raccoon. But again, I would imagine it's possible, you know, if you had the right lighting conditions. How big were these eyes that you were looking at? um the thing is at this point my truck had been shut off so my headlights were off and thinking back to it now it is kind of weird because the only light around me was the shop which is way behind me probably another hundred yards behind me and it's just a little shop light that lights up the door you know i'm talking about like a porch light but for me to be able to see these eyes, I never saw a figure or anything because it was one of those new moon nights where, well, it was dark out. I know it was really dark. It might have been like a half moon. I'm not 100% sure, but I could kind of see the ground out there and then I just saw these two eyes. I don't know where they would have got the light from to shine, maybe the moon. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't know. It was definitely high enough up where I knew it wasn't like a deer or something because I know how the tree sits right there. And, yeah, for it to be kind of level with my head, with me sitting in there, because I have a three-inch lift on my F-350 on 34s. So, I mean, for it to be sitting level with me kind of spooked me out. That is unnerving. So it's not like these eyes were like 50 feet up in the tree. I mean, it's pretty level with you, but still pretty high up with that truck you have. How big were those eyes? They seemed decent sized, honestly. Like they didn't seem like little tiny cat or raccoon eyes. They seemed bigger, like a predator. Because you'll notice with like big cats and bears, they usually have bigger eyes to let more light in so they can see at night. And they seem bigger like that. That's the only time I've seen them. My girlfriend told me that she has had a spook where she saw some red eyes out there. And I wasn't home at the time because she got off work. Because she gets home about 6.30. So it's still dark out when she gets home with this time of year. And she's like, oh, I saw some red eyes. And I was like, oh, yeah, it's probably like, you know, a cougar. Well, the cougars usually have yellow eyes, but I was like, it's probably just, you know, something else. You know, don't be worried about it. You're fine. Raccoon or a coyote or something. But she's like, I don't think so. I don't know. I should have believed her, I guess. Yeah, you definitely should have. You know where I would start is with your grandfather. Have you ever sat down to talk with him about what's been going on around this property? Honestly, I haven't. He's kind of a really quiet and reserved guy. But I've been talking to my girlfriend about it because I've been kind of hesitant to email you. I don't know why. But I was like, hey, I want to email this guy because I think this is going on. And she's like, thinking about it, there's no cameras on that side of the house. And I was like, yeah. She's like, that's where all the apple trees are because we have apple trees. and we also grow grapes, but they're all on that side of the house without cameras. And she's like, and she's like, have you ever seen your grandpa outside at night? And I'm like, well, thinking back to it, a couple years ago, me and him were digging a pond on his property with tractors, and we had gotten this tractor kind of stuck in the mud because it's all clay out here. And I was like, okay, hey, let's go grab the truck and pull it out real quick. we're already all muddy and stuff. And it was just starting to get dark. And he's like, nope, let's go inside. And I was like, well, it could sink deeper overnight. He's like, oh, it's fine. So it was just odd to me that he just wanted to go inside so quick. And he always carries a pistol on him. And he always carries a .45 on him on his property no matter what. Yeah, it's just weird to me. Yeah, I would probably start there first with your grandfather. go get a bottle of whiskey, sit down with them and have a real conversation. And he'll probably open up and tell you about some of the things that have happened around there. Everything you're describing around this property sounds like they're there. You know, that feeling of dread, that feeling of being watched, these weird red eyes that you're seeing, things are tapping on your home. You know, one thing that I think is weird with Sasquatch, and you'll often hear this with eyewitnesses who have these things on their property. They'll often say, you know, I'm laying in bed, and on the wall, on the outside, something starts tapping, something starts scratching, slaps against the home. People report this mumbling that they hear. To me, it sounds like they're there. One thing I want to ask you about that mumbling, did it sound like the sierra sounds um kind of but imagine that but like super quiet almost a really faint whisper just enough where you can hear it but if you were like i don't know had a tv on or something you would you would never know yeah like i said i would start with your grandfather their first. And you know, one thing that you can do if you want to get them to back off, go buy cheap lights and you can get cheap ones off Amazon. You know, I know when you're living out there in the country, that's the last thing you want to do is really light up your property like a football stadium. But for whatever reason, eyewitnesses report that when you light a place up like that, it gets them to back off and it might help you. You know, when you're trying to go out to your truck or coming in or making your girlfriend feel more comfortable i think they'll back off 95 of the time they'll back off when you light the place up a secondary option you can do is go buy game cams and put them around the property and the cheaper the better i mean go to amazon buy like a four pack the cheaper the better i highly doubt you'll capture anything but they you know coordinated witnesses they back off once you start putting those up but your grandfather must know something i mean there's no way he lived there all those years and doesn't know what's going on i would definitely start with him right and what's weird to me is uh since my grandma died probably five years ago he has like closed off most of the house and he lives in like these three rooms and he actually doesn't have windows in them like he will not go in parts of the house at night with windows in it because you have like the kitchen has windows and he has that like doored off and then he has like this little man cave room which had windows but he put stuff there's like a wraparound porch he puts stuff against the windows and then his bedroom is blocked off too. He put shutters on it, which I remember when I was younger, those windows are always open. Even when people won't tell you anything, you can always look at their behavior and it says more than they'll ever say. One of the very first properties I ever investigated, I remember I walked into this old lady's home and she had blankets over, I mean, really thick blankets over every window. And I thought, hmm, okay, well, let's have a conversation. How long have you guys been there, Brayden? Eight months now. Like, it's not been that long. That's why at first I was like, oh, maybe it's just something curious about us because there's new scent in the area. But it's to the point where I'm not really feeling that anymore. Yeah, well, the bad news is I think that they're there. The good news is you can make them go away. And I don't have any love for Sasquatch, so if people want to shoot them, I'm all for it. The only time I tell people not to shoot at them is when it's actually on their property. You know, you can be a bigfoot researcher and go off to your research location and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and shoot all you want. But you get to go home. But when you do that on your property, home's about 100 yards away, and they've watched you shoot at them, and things can go south pretty quick. But I would really recommend that you put up some lights. I mean, I would light that place up, and I can't guarantee. I would put a lot of money on the bet that they'll back off. The red eye shine, was that the last thing that happened there? Yeah, and that was Monday. So that was the last thing that happened for now. I just know that I've been listening to your podcast a little bit now, and I know what usually happens next, and that's what I fear the most, I suppose. You're talking about a sighting, actually seeing the creature? Yeah. Yeah, it usually starts out this way. It starts out with the things that you're describing, And it's unnerving, and I would be unnerved in that situation. Usually when it starts this way, people think their place is haunted. The tapping on the walls, the scratching on the walls, the slaps on the home, this weird red eye shine that they're seeing, that feeling of being washed all the time. It usually does ramp up to a sighting. the good news though i think if they were going to hurt you they would have done it a long long time ago your easy pickings coming out from the home to your truck from your truck back to the home there's plenty of opportunity to harm you if they really wanted to and they haven't yet prior to all this happening to you what was kind of your take on bigfoot um when i was younger you know i i believed in it so i was like it's cool It might be real. I'm sure people are seeing something, but I don't know. But now I'm pretty convinced. I'm pretty convinced. And I think I know why they go through our property. Our property is the only one where it's just a field that's completely surrounded by trees. And then there's another set of forest, I guess. It's kind of like a bog because we live by a lake. And it's like all trees to the lake. So it's Weyerhaeuser, our property, more trees, and then the lake. So I have a feeling that whatever it is, is trying to get to the lake at night. And we're just kind of a pass through. Yeah, it could be. It could be that they're passing through and stopping when you guys are coming and going. and I honestly would try the lights. I would light the place up. You have to let me know if you do that. Let me know if it works for you or not. I got a good feeling that they will back off. Let me ask you, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? I think it's flesh and blood. I think it's an animal, just like anything else. Some of the stuff is unexplained to me, but... I think eventually we will figure it out. In my lifetime, I don't know. Eventually, I'd imagine we'd figure out what it is. Because, I mean, everything, if you look at animals, has a different subspecies. We're humans, and then you have primates. And then I'm thinking there's another step in there, if that makes sense. It's not necessarily the lost link, but like this another side species. They're like us, but they don't live in civilization. They made their own way, if that makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. That makes complete sense, Brayden. And, you know, when you're out there, try some of the ideas I've thrown at you. It's what I would do if it was my property. I would start with the lights. I would start with cheap game cams. And if none of that works, give me a call. I have five other ideas to throw at you. And you have my cell phone. Give me a call anytime. If you ever have any questions, I'm not sure I can answer them, but I'll give it my best try. And be safe out there, brother. But thank you again for coming on. Yeah, no problem. I appreciate you having me. next up on the show i want to welcome curtis curtis thanks for coming on hey thank you very much for having me on your show yeah i really appreciate you being here and you had this encounter back in 1983 in northern california if you would would you start from the very beginning what were you doing and what happened yeah so uh i guess i can start out that i have an identical twin brother we're actually involved with doing a playing like a hide and go seek uh game you know slash um war games i guess because there's like a team of three on each side. There's just two teams. So there were six of us all together. So that's what we were doing. We just decided to play, because we didn't have anything back then in 83. We didn't have any computer games or nothing like that. So we kind of had to make up our own entertainment. So we just came to, the town's called Wairica, California, about 20 miles south of the Oregon border. but that whole mountain range is basically it's got about three or four other national forests on that same mountain range and that goes all the way from the middle of the state and it goes all the way to the coast where it goes to the Redwoods and there's just little small little villages and stuff mixed into that whole mountain range. There's some Indian tribes and stuff like that but there's no major towns at all. There's just little small communities we just got we just came to the town we just my aunt was happened to be living there and we had never actually been in Wairika except for passing through and getting gas and that it we didn know the town at all So we showed up My aunt lived in an apartment complex in just a small community area And the town was only, it only had like 3,500 people at the time. And it's doubled since. But the apartment complex that we were staying in was just maybe an eighth of a mile or even less, whatever. maybe 500, 600 yards away or whatever you want to call it, but where we were located right next to the edge of the forest. Now, next door to where my aunt was living was an elementary school from grades one through six or something like that. And I only mentioned that school because that's where we actually had our encounter. It was already at nighttime. It was real hot during that summer. It was the summer of 83. the school behind the school is a uh is a playground and it has some lights for at nighttime if you're out there playing it at night but on the very west side of the whole perimeter of the school is a just a field of a there's a soccer field slash baseball field when we when we decided to play this game we just met up with a couple other brothers that were just having to be in the neighborhood just a couple days prior to that. And we'd only been in town for about a week, a week and a half anyways, at this particular time. It was just that one night in the evening, basically. It was about seven or eight at night when the two brothers came over to visit us. And it was one of the two brothers that actually suggested we play this game of war or hide and seek or whatever you want to call it. But so, yeah, so me and my brother decided, yeah, okay, let's just go for it, I guess. And then we also recruited my younger sister. And she had like a temporary boyfriend that she just started just messing around with too. But so now when we started to play this game, it was already about 8, 8, 8.30 maybe at night. The sun had already gone down, but there was no wind or nothing. It was just totally, there's nothing but bright lights from the stars. so we had a lot of ambient lighting we got school lights also that was giving us pretty good lights so the only rules we had in this game is we had to stay within the property of the school and we can also be on the other side of the fence, the big chain link fence on the western perimeter of the school and that's an 8 to 10 foot chain link fence that whole piece of property is owned by the city of Wairika it's all undeveloped There's nothing but just tall weeds and grass. There's some shrubbery around. There's a few trees, just small trees, some fallen small trees. There's a lot of rolling hills, little rolling dirt mountains as well. There's all pretty tall grass and weeds also. So now my team's laying down by the baseball diamond. And now my brother's laying, his team are laying down, basically facing right where we were, you know, just catacorned from where we were at. Now, my brother and them, like I said, they were just sitting there. They were there for about five minutes, just like we were before we noticed anything. But right out of the shadows of the, between the school and those two, the two little storage sheds for the maintenance workers came walking three figures. just came walking right out and going right straight towards the eight-foot chain link fence. Now, for them to do that, they had to walk right in front of where my brother and his team were laying down. So now my brother and them, they can see these Sasquatches. They're only like 50 to 70 feet at the most, maybe 60 feet or so. But they just walked right straight past or walking straight past my brother's team. my brother and them, well they're staring at them first but then they witness these creatures just walking right straight through the field, probably a good 10 seconds or 15 seconds by the time they got to the chain link fence these creatures were about, I would say between 6'2 to 6'5 at the most when these Bigfoots got to the fence, one of them was about two maybe a couple inches taller than the other two that were there the biggest one out of the three just lifted up its hands and just grabbed a hold of the top of that fence and like I said that was an 8 to 10 foot high chain link fence and he just grabbed a hold of the fence and just jumped itself right over without even putting his feet on the chain link at all he just did it all in one motion just jumped right over the other two Sasquatches they just they decided to walk around they walked all the way back down down the fence line back towards the property line of the apartment complex. And all they had to do is just walk right around the fence because there's just nothing but a post right there. So now all three of them are on that property that's owned by the city. So now that's my brother's side of the story. Now back to where I was at, I was the same thing. Me and my team were right there. My sister was on the left-hand side of me, and then on the left side of her was her boyfriend. So then all of a sudden my sister nudges me and says that she sees the other team. And this is the same three figures that was walking from the corner of the side of the school. By the time they were coming into the field, we could see them, but we couldn't see them as well as my brother because I was at least a good 100 feet away from these creatures at the time. So all I could see is these three shadows that were, walking across the field, going towards the chain link fence. We didn't sit there and stare at them either. We just knew, as far as we were concerned, that was my brother's team. So we didn't have any kind of fear or nothing like that. So we weren't staring at them or anything. We knew exactly which way they were headed. And then so now behind us, right there at the chain link fence, there's a little, there's a man gate. They just cross right over into that, onto that piece of property. So that's what we chose to do. and as these creatures got to the fence i wasn't looking at them so i didn't i didn't even feel or hear the fence move whatsoever so at this time i didn't know exactly what they were doing we were just walking we were just crawling through the fence to get to the other side so that was having like an element of surprise on our side just you know of course it was the other team as far as we were concerned so now we're crawling down the fence line we get about about 100 feet down, basically in the same area where we thought that that's where my brother's team was supposed to be at. So we get about 100 feet down. We decided just to sit down and rest. We had our backs turned resting on the chain link fence, and we were on the city property there. Now we're looking towards the mountains. Here we are just sitting there, and we're just looking for the other team. I'm doing my scanning. So now when I'm coming back and just slightly to my, right next to that, that shrubbery was a, was a dirt mound that's a, like I said, it was full of grass and weeds, but there's two figures that were sitting or squatting on this, on this mound. And I can see the top of their heads down to their shoulder because they were just above the, above that shrubbery. So I could still see, I had some ambient lights. I could tell that there's two figures there, but they're about 20 feet away. So I couldn't, you know, but at this time, I thought that was my sister and her boyfriend. So I wasn't even concerned there this whole time. So now I'm going on for a couple of minutes. So now here it is. I'm scanning around. Now I just happened to be looking, scanning down the field, back towards the apartment complex area. And then I seen this bigger figure come running right straight around the other two that were already 20 feet away from me so this one was about another five to ten feet behind behind those two so i just thought it was another i just thought it was another team the other team just one person from the other team i thought it was but this creature or figure we'll just call it a figure for now but this figure came running and it was like about 30 feet away from me and it was and it was running very quick and even before i get on my feet because at this time I thought it was just another person from the other team. So even before I get on my feet, this creature was already – it had already stopped between 10 to 12 feet from me as I was getting on my feet. So I just kind of figure, well, how – in my mind, I'm just not really worried about the time delay or whatever, but the fact is I was already coming up on my feet, and this creature had already stopped. and when it stopped this is when i this is when everything got confusing to me because i knew that there's something wrong i could see the um when it stopped it was already it was bent over a little bit and it had a slight bend in its knees so i couldn't judge exactly how tall it was plus there's like in a little groove right there in between like the the um the dirt mounds and stuff like that there's some ditches and stuff so i couldn't figure exactly how tall it was but at this time I wasn't I didn't care about what looking for the size I was just thinking it was the other team but when it stopped we're both looking at each other it's looking at me I couldn't see the face but I could see the hair I could see the individual hairs coming from the top of the hair and it came all the way down to the shoulders and when it was looking at me it was kind of like it was turned a little bit to its right which means I was looking at its left side a little bit but it was looking straight at me so I could see but I could see the hair coming down just that one side individual hair i was probably at least two or three inches long probably that's that's what looked like and the color looked about there's either a dark brown or a blackish color but i couldn't tell this is about a four to five second stare down and this is when i went to a shock because i knew it wasn't human and but but my mind just didn't didn't want to tell me that it was a Bigfoot either, you know? So that's where the confusion was going right there. Because my thought of the Bigfoot was totally different than what I thought when I watched the movie. About five years earlier, I watched The Legend of Boggy Creek. Okay, so after I seen that movie, this was supposed to be just nothing but a monster that was out to terrorize people, you know? So that's why I was confused, because if it had been a Bigfoot, it should have made some kind of aggressive move towards me, in my mind. um i just for whatever reason i just started shooting i started blasting away hoping it was my brother's team you know so i started going bang i started yelling out bang bang bang right so i didn't have any guns i didn't have no fake guns or anything like that all i had was my fingers all i'm doing is just going bang bang bang and i'm just yelling at my top of my lungs so when i did that the two that were sitting on the mound they stood up They all stood up. Now, these two were actually standing on the mound, and they're elevated in height a little bit. So, anyway, I was just – now I was really confused because now I can see their – I can see the hair come around them as well. They all three turned around, and they started booking away from me. They just started leaping through the grass, heading towards that – the residential street about 400 or 500 yards away. and there's also some houses right there so some backyards it's got some lights also in the backyards of these houses but beyond those houses was a street and then beyond that would be the the start of the mountain even though it's real steep we could a person can't just climb up that as far as a human is concerned but luckily there's a there's a graveyard just out right off to the left just on the south side of the apartment complex you go uh right up to the uh cemetery at the right at the ridge of the uh of the mountains and then you can take a trail that goes all up to the top of the ridge which we found out later but now when these creatures took off and they were they were probably about um once they started leaping through the field then i started yelling out deer this is when i went to a deeper shot because now i'm still trying to get trying to gather my my thoughts about what i'm looking at when i know they're on i know they're on two feet and they had two arms and i know they didn't have any clothes on either because i can see the backs of them when they're when they're running away from me but all i could do is just yell out deer and i just started yelling that thing out i started yelling out deer to the top of my lungs and i was in so much confusion that i wasn't in fear yet i didn't i wasn't even scared yet I was just totally confused. So as these creatures got about maybe 50, 60 yards away, they slowed down, and then they just kept with a steady pace walk heading away from them, but they kept turning their bodies around to look at me to make sure I wasn't following them or whatever. I noticed my sister and her boyfriend were standing right next to me, and apparently they could only see what I was looking at, so they couldn't verify what it was either. They just thought it was just they didn't know if it was a human or not. But as far as where they their perspective was. So now I now I hear my my brother and his team coming from the apartment complex. I can hear him yelling my name. And meanwhile, I'm still confused. I'm looking at the ground. I'm just kind of I'm just dumbfounded. I just I didn't even know what to think. I had to turn around. I turned around. I grabbed a whole fence and I'm just looking up and down the looking down the ground. looking up at the top of the fence. So I waited for my brother's team to get there, come to get to us, because they can hear me, they can see me on the other side of the fence. When my brother and his team got to the fence line, all I can hear is my brother telling me that they just saw Bigfoot, and that's all that came out of his mouth. It just says, we just saw Bigfoot. And that's when I went to a deep shock. I mean, that's when the fear, probably the worst fear that I've ever had before that incident or even after that incident no matter what that was the worst fear i've ever had not the fear that they were coming back that they'd come back and get me i just put me right back in that spot of me being that close to a creature that should have been either folklore whatever you want to call it you know legendary thing but when i went into that shock i went totally blank all i know is that that my brother told me later that that that all he all he's seen me do is just grab a hold of that fence the fence i just grabbed a hold and just used my arms and just and just crawled all the way up to the top of that fence and threw myself over the fence the next thing that came into my memory banks was me i was on the other side of that field i was over close to the apartment complex in the grassy area and i just dropped to my knees then now i'm just I'm shaking like crazy. I had the worst experience at that particular time, and I had tears just coming out of my eyes, and I was in total shock. It took me about 45 minutes before I can even start really comprehending what was going on, so that we can all sit around and talk about what was going on, because that's what we did. We ended up sitting around a circle right there, but we were still quite a few yards away from the fence, but we were right next to the apartment complex. That's when I found out what my brother's part of the story was and what my sister and her boyfriend, what they saw. And then when I told my story, everything just clicked into place, you know, and that's basically it. So everything after that, it was just a matter of deciding if we were going to go and tell somebody or not. Throughout that discussion, we decided not to, especially me and my brother, because we were pretty shy. Me and my brother and my sister, we just came to this town and we moved around a lot. So we were always trying to make friends wherever we could. So that's basically my story right there. At what point did it kind of click it wasn your brother Because I find it fascinating how the mind deals with stress trauma and shock you know you yelling dear dear dear and obviously these aren dear but at what point did you kind of realize oh that's not my brother uh it was basically right when i went right when i stood up and was looking at him but in that in that same instant that i was going into a shock for whatever reason when i noticed that it wasn't it wasn't a bigfoot but it wasn't my other my brother's team either so i don't know why it came out of my mouth i just said i just started yelling it's my brother it's the other team i for whatever reason and then when i'm shooting at him then i'm then now when i see him leaping up in the field leaping through the grass like that now and then i just started switching from the other team i just started saying that's it's a it's deer i just kept yelling out deer knowing knowing for a fact that they weren't deer they didn't they did not have four legs whatsoever they were running at a pretty pretty uh and you can see them when they were leaping you can tell that they're pretty wide uh what do you call that stances you know they're making some pretty good distance until they slow down Of course, they slowed down. They're still going at a steady clip just on a walk. But that's when they were looking back at me. Probably make sure I wasn't going to either following them or whatever. I'm not. Of course, I can't tell you what they're thinking either. But all you can say, they weren't they were not aggressive. They're non-aggressive whatsoever. That's why it confused me the most, because I'm always thinking that if a Bigfoot, the one that I know of, the only one that I knew of at the time was the was the Legend of Boggy Creek. that was my whole that was my only image i had my mind of what a bigfoot would have been would have been a would have been a dangerous creature yeah i could see that you know the legend of boggy creek you have in your mind what you think sasquatch is and then when you see it in person uh it's completely different sometimes anyway why do you think that you went into shock later after it was all said and done it was just the words that came out of my brother's mouth without me saying anything when he told me that he saw a bigfoot all that did to me was confirm that that was a bigfoot because if they saw bigfoot and they weren't even in shock like i was they actually watched these bigfoots go all the way across the field and at this time they weren't that they weren't like in deep fear because they knew that these creatures were already walking away from them and these creatures didn't even didn't even acknowledge my brother's team whatsoever so they didn't even look at my brother's team at a certain point my brother's team were already at a certain comfort level knowing that okay they're they're not gonna they're not in any immediate danger of any kind so by the time they got to me that's when that's when everything that's when i became a hundred percent for fact that it had to be a big it was definitely a big foot because if my brother seen what he saw and i experienced what i experienced there's no other way of looking at it yeah like i said i'm fascinated with the mind especially when it's in shock and i could see your brother saying hey we just saw bigfoot i could see your world come crashing down at that moment realizing your mind's not fooling you you know what you saw how far away from you were these creatures and if you would would you describe all three of them i realize that it's dark out the one that came out that came running towards me that was uh of course i could see that i could see the individual hairs from the basically about the middle of the shoulders down to like the middle of the arms basically area i could see pretty clearly and there's all nothing but hair i thought it was it could have been a jacket at one you know a particular second or two but but then i noticed that the that the hair was just coming right straight down the right straight down the side of its head and right down to the through the shoulders like a kind of like at a slight angle i didn't see a neckline of any kind the size was hard to tell it was definitely pretty wide though it was at least a good three feet wide at the very least but it's kind of hard to even with that with that for that one right there he turned out he turned out at a slight angle towards me when i was looking at it so i couldn't get a direct looking straight at him except i seen his head of course but i couldn't see any face i couldn't see any facial features there's no glowing eyes um there's also no smell the other two when they stood up that was the only time i even looked at them is when they when they when they stood up because i thought that was my sister and her boyfriend at first um but they're standing on that ledge or on that um on that dirt mound and they're already about the same height i was and i was already three feet up and they're about 20 feet away so all i could really see in detail on them is just the hair going down pretty much the same as the other as the uh as that first one and it just went right around just right around his head all the way down around his shoulders and that's it that's basically what i see i seen i seen the most here when they actually all turned around and and running away from it and then they got away from the um that thick brush that was right there with the ambient lights i could definitely tell that they're and you definitely you definitely see that there's no there's no article of clothing whatsoever not one bit of clothing so and there's no bare skin either i can see on the backs or on their backs but like i said when they're facing me of course it was kind of like a shadowy area in front of them so i couldn't see exactly what their what their chest would look like i couldn't see any um if they're male or female of any kind but they do say they did seem like they were younger you had mentioned that one of them was taller he was like six foot plus i mean how tall do you think he was compared to the other two the taller one was about at least three inches taller than the other two and i want to say anywhere it could have been six foot three to six foot five or so probably that's just a roughly rough guess because i didn't have anything to really gauge it on myself because like i said they're they're there's like a big ditch and everything right there right next to where they're at too and i couldn't tell what if this sasquatch is inside of a ditch it was not on one of the um dirt mounds at all now the other two like i said they're a few inches shorter and they're just a little bit down for me so they're and i'm i was five seven and they're already they're about even with about the even size when they're standing up They're about even with me, probably about three feet down from my elevation from when I was looking at them. And I know from talking to you off the air that this was the only time that you saw them. It makes me wonder why they would choose to go through there, maybe the cover of darkness. I know you had mentioned a drought in the area, and oftentimes people will run into these things when there's some sort of disaster like a drought. But it really makes me wonder why they were passing through. Yeah, of course, going through all the theories and stuff. I mean, like I said, it was a four to five year drought going on at the time. And it was July. We stayed indoors almost every day until it did get darker out so we could do stuff outside anyways. Because the temperatures were exceeding like 110 degrees. And so that means it was like at least in the upper 90s, like 99 to 100 degrees, even during the nighttime when we were playing this game. And I kind of get the shock. I mean, I know that you had mentioned on the air and off the air, you and your brother had just seen The Legend of Boggy Creek. And, I mean, those were really events. It wasn't made up. But if that's what you have in your head as far as what you're going to run into, I kind of get the shock now, you know? Yeah. That's why I went into a confusion because that's the only thing I had. I didn't know anything else. the only other thing we watched was a Leonard Nimoy back in like 78 also we've seen that the same time we're about 10 years old me and my brother were about 10 years old at the time and we watched both those uh series but like i said they they there's no mention that i can remember at all that they were saying that they were they're like really uh calm calm creatures or anything like that as far as i knew that these creatures were were gonna be you know were pretty dangerous like animals and your brother and his friends were actually a lot closer when you guys spoke did he go into any more detail about what he had seen well he was able to see the fur of the uh the fur or hair a lot better and i mean he's the one who told me that he he definitely seen it look more like a brown brownish red or whatever um but like what like when I said it was a little bit darker where I was at, even though I can still see some of the detail. But yeah, but they're about, and these creatures are about, I would say at least 50 or 60 feet away from where my brother's team was laying down. They noticed the same thing I did. They noticed that the one was a little bit bigger than the other two, and they said they're definitely over, they had to, they're definitely over six feet, like I said, ranging between the six, six, one to six, five or whatever, you know. why do you think that the larger one kind of rushed you you know after looking back at it when it was looking at me it was like it was bent down a little bit hunched over a little bit and it was looking up it was like uh it was almost like it was and it had it and it had one of its hands up like it was trying to i don't know if it's trying to tell me something or wanting me to i don't know they're being they're definitely being very calm and very uh there's no aggression whatsoever when you say it had its hands up it was it like its palms up yeah yeah it had its uh on its left hand just had it just kind of look like looking up at me like it i don't know if it was wanting me to give him something or what i mean something like a kid would do i guess so that's why i'm thinking it could have been like a juvenile bigfoot i don't know i mean you know i'm still kind of lost on that trying to figure out exactly what age group that i'm looking at, you know, even right now trying to figure out. The only thing that I know for a fact is that there's nothing else that could have been was a Bigfoot. I only had two choices. It's either somebody, three people running around in some kind of suit trying to fool us or it had to be Sasquatch. That's the only two logical things that could have even happened and I just don't see anybody trying. Nobody knew we were out there playing a war game anyways. There's nobody else even on the street Yeah, I think it's fascinating, too, that you took your hand in the motion of a gun and went bang, bang, bang, and they took off. Sasquatches like the Sam people, they're easily startled. Thank God that there was no aggression on their end. And who knows, they might have been younger. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? after that incident i always considered them as being they're definitely more human-like than they are than they are animal i don't know it's hard to say if they'd be more human or not compared to being an animal it's hard to say but when i started hearing stuff like the like the the sierra sounds which i just started learning about that here in the last five months or so that they're chattering like the way they're chattering and stuff is just just the way that they communicate with each other So it's more, they got way more intelligence than just some animal out there. That's for sure. And there's definitely nothing paranormal or anything about these creatures. There's no orbs. There's no, nothing like that. I see nothing paranormal about these creatures. It was definitely totally just flesh and blood. That's what I witnessed. after all this time, I'm definitely thinking that they're I'm thinking that they're definitely more of a human some kind of human aspect. To me, it's just kind of logical just to think that they have more they have a higher intelligence than just being an animal. Yeah, well, I know it was a brief encounter and you know, a lot of times in brief encounters people rarely talk about anything paranormal. They rarely ever talk about anything strange. normally you'll find that when these things are on people's property man I don't think that they're human but it's hard to argue with people when it comes to their behavior there's a lot of their behavior is very human-like there's no question about that so it makes you wonder I know this happened to you over 40 years ago and you know it was a real brief encounter but I really appreciate you taking the time to come on I really enjoyed chatting with you Curtis thank you so much for sharing it okay well thank you for having me and you have a great day then thanks again curtis and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email my email address is wes at sasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance to check out sasquatchchronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows until next time everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll see you next time.