The N-Word at the BAFTAs, Producing R. Kelly, and Gavin Newsom Backlash: Fair or Unfair?

yo yo yo thought warriors what is up higher learning is on is i van latin jr and it's me rachel and if you're not watching the podcast which we've asked you to do many times if you're not watching then you can't see that we're in a new studio set up here with a new studio we're now uh we're at spotify the different spotify it's a creator space the creative space is creative space i think that's what they call it it's a great space now listen i was out here looking at the mountain the mountains out there i saw you on the balcony out there out there on the balcony looking at the mountain this is the type of shit that i'm into this is the type of shit shout out to everyone down in mateo because mateo that's my home you know shout out to mateo but this looking at the mountain being in this area we got Beyonce over here we got we have Parkwood Rock Nation we have Rock Nation we have Sirius Beck Sam we're right next to Rock Nation you never know what kind of narratives will end up coming out of this podcast you could walk down the street and see I don't know maybe see Rach with Tata or somebody maybe Rach with Desiree Perez maybe Rach being influenced they say that there's an influence I don't know that there is we're in a great area my gym's around the corner I thought you went to Aloe I go there too tell us about Aloe I saw Bobby Altoff she was at Aloe it's at their headquarters over there off Wilshire in Beverly Hills it's an open space for like you have to be like it's not a membership. It's just like invited to go and like create content and you wear aloe stuff. You have to be invited to go to the gym? Yeah. You could go. I don't want to go. Okay. But you have to be invited to go there? Yeah. It's not an open gym and it's not a membership. It's like a space to create content. You wear aloe clothes. You work out there. You can do like any type of training. It's really great. And like we talk there's I love it because I have friends there you have friends and you go there i will never go there the reason why i won't go is because it seems to me that what you're describing is antithetical to what a gym should be okay you go to equinox i go there you don't think that can everybody go to equinox yeah how much is equinox like what is like a 150 no it's not it's like 150 times two it's like 150 Times two and a half. I don't know what it is. So there's like, there's a certain group of people that go to Equinox specifically to the one that you go to because that's different from a regular Equinox. Do you know what kind of people go to Equinox? Okay. People that like the machines to work. Okay. So you want the machines to work. They work at other gyms. First, shout out to LA Fitness. I don't know. I love how you try to make. Because I like how you try to make me this sort of like. I didn't do that. Elitist person. You try to allude to that. But you go to Equinox. The conversation wasn't about Rachel in any way, shape, or form. There's a implication. No, see, this is what happened with the black man thing where I stormed off. You're going to storm off now because of Aloe? I don't do that. Well, I know, but what I'm saying is this. That's not what they said from The Bachelor with the talk to my hand situation. I've done more investigation into this. Talk to my hand. The talk to my hand situation. They talked about it. More people reached out. Nobody was there. They reached out. It was off camera. The people reached out. Okay. Okay. But this is what I'm saying. It's not about you being an elitist. It's about me being against Aloe. And now I want the people from Allo to know that I'm against them because, number one, it's not about you and the show, because I know that's who you go there. I go with Molly, too. But I saw the Allo headquarters and I'm interested in I'm joking for the most part. But it is interesting to have a gym that only people can be invited to. Your point about Equinox. Well taken. Equinox has a fantastic basketball court. and I'm willing to pay for cold plunging. Okay. But what I'm saying is it's interesting what you're saying as far as you're making the comparison, but a membership only gym, no, excuse me, an invitation only gym is interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a creator's space, I would say. Let's look it up. But it's, yeah. Allo creator's space. Like you could come, you could go. But only if somebody invites me. Mm-hmm. so you can only get healthy if someone says you can there's other options well i'm just saying it's like you know you could pay four hundred dollars a month and go to equinox or you could pay 39 a month and and go to la fitness i'm saying this that's out there for you but only being able to go some places someplace because they say that you could come it's crazy can we talk about something else we can can we talk about what has been on my mind for the last I don't know, a week? That little monkey that's been getting fucked up? Punch. We have to talk about Punch. I brought the emotional support. Have you been following Punch's journey? Yes, I've been looking at him. I've been seeing what's going on with him. Would you like to hold? Yeah, why not? Come on. Would you like to hold? Yeah. Come on over here. Now, you've accused me on this podcast of not being an animal lover. It's true. But the way, like Bernard, Jay, you guys have seen Punch, right? I'm obsessed. I close my eyes. That's crazy to me. I close my eyes and I see Punch. And I think it resonates for a lot of different reasons. Like I have two rescue dogs. And so all I see, like when I look at my dogs, I now see Punch. When I see Punch, I see Brownie and Copper. Because Brownie and Copper, they weren't even at a shelter. They were found in the street. They were rescued from the street. So in my mind, I immediately go, they were abandoned. They were neglected by their mother. They didn't have a friend. they might have who knows how long they were looking for a hug some sort of connection and it makes me really really emotional and because i've been so fixated on it i had to go get the the emotional support orangutan that punch has i gave it to my dogs they love him they play with him this is like their little punch but i love also like how everybody's coming together and just rooting for this little monkey. Because I feel like everyone's like, I know what it's like to be rejected. I know what it's like. I just feel like they're looking at this little monkey and they're like, it's about resilience. It's about wanting love, connection, a hug. I think that people are going to expect for me to have something snarky to say, but I'm with you. I actually don't. You realize that, shout out to Beth Pratt, she just reached out about P-22. Beth Pratt reached out about P22 they're building the animal walkway no they're building the walkway Beth wants me to go check out the walkway shout out to Beth Pratt shout out to P22 yeah I'm with animals I'm pro animal I'm finally glad that you are pro animal not finally right because being pro dog is different than being pro animal I am pro animal okay and so shout out to Punch if Punch would want to have you know a segment on the podcast we want to come on the podcast and talk about this punch watch or whatever we could have this what i'm also interested with punch though is about the get back because those are the stories that i like it's one thing because like if i'm doing the punch movie the what i'm envisioning is not just punch finding a stuffed animal that he can then relate to i'm looking for the get back well there's an ai video out there that's kind of like the avengers of monkeys and it's got like curious george it's got donkey kong right it's got caesar and it's like they're all come together right to stand by punch and root him on for him to get his respect but he is like he's found a friend now right you know it's you know the zoo's coming out and saying like this is a part of the whole thing part of monkeys being monkeys yeah like a lot of times mothers will reject their child but just like to watch it in real time and like to see him carry the orangutan and like make the orangutan wrap the arm around them and it's just so it's like just such an innocence there that's just I could cry right now talking about it. You gonna cry over the place? Get the bitch ass nigga off it. Stand up for yourself. Hey! We all been in places where people try to fuck over us. Stand up for yourself. Get that shit out of us. Stand up for yourself. Stand up for yourself. We are the world. I'm fucking with Punch, man. You guys, there's nothing. The easiest way to get me on your side is to tell me that the animals are in trouble. I love animals. New studio, new digs. We're going through the whole thing. There's a lot happening in the world. This was a packed weekend. And by the way, by the time you guys hear this, we might be knee deep into war with Iran. All right. So who knows what's going to happen while we're even doing this podcast? Donnie, get us started. Yeah, let's start off with the BAFTA awards that happened yesterday. Tourette's syndrome activist John Davidson, who is the inspiration behind the nominated film, I swear. He shouted multiple swear words and a slur during the ceremony, including this specific moment when Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo were on stage. Delo and I are delighted to be presenting the first BAFTA of the night for a vital part of movie making we're here to uh what were your initial reactions when you saw that well look at Van, zoom in you need a moment okay so Van what's wrong with you what is wrong with you it's not funny it's definitely not I knew you were going to be like that you know how many times I've seen the clip up to this point and I'm sorry okay listen so so the reason why you know you gotta see that reaction you guys are gonna be super mad and everything it's because it's just that image is you couldn't craft that image anymore ironically you have Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Linda standing up there because they were in this amazing cultural film they look beautiful and that comes from the audience. That's what comes from the audience. That's like out of a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode or something like that. There is a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode actually where a chef is cooking and does that. Right, right, right. Now there are people after this happened, Alan Cumming who was hosting the Baptist came out and asked people for I guess a little patience and understanding about the condition of Tourette's. but not only him that apology was criticized by a lot of people but there have been other people that have said that this is an opportunity for us to come out and talk about Tourette's Syndrome and how it affects people and how people's tics can be can manifest in ways like this that are slurs. What are your thoughts? Well apparently I guess what didn't air in the broadcast is that he said something before as well like a disclaimer and then during his speech uh there were curse words like his monologue i mean his opening monologue but you know this is tough because when i saw it when i saw it at first i thought huh a lot of things went through my mind right and i'm and i'm i'm just going to tell you an initial reaction i thought was this to get attention for the movie a lot of people are saying I really thought, well, what a publicity stunt. And not because, not just in how he did it, just also when you watch the trailer for the movie, which is something that I wasn't aware of, which a lot of people are going to be aware of. It's only come out over there. It comes out here in the U.S. in April. But it's like he says a line in the trailer, the problem isn't Tourette's. The problem is people not knowing about it. And this has sparked a conversation online and like this in ways that we would never be talking about Tourette's if this hadn't happened. So I really thought, huh, was this a publicity stunt? And they were just kind of like the sacrificial lamb in order to bring attention to the movie. I don't think that that's the case. These were initial thoughts. These are all the things that went through my mind. And then I started doing the research and I saw I'm sure a lot of people did, or at least I hope you did. Right. Didn't jump to conclusions. You did the research and you realize that this is this form of Tourette's is super rare. And it's like less than 10 percent of people or cases are like this. And furthermore, like if you look at their Tourette's Association website or even like the CDC, it talks about how it says profanity and racial slurs are part of it. And that's not necessarily the intent and actually causes distress to the person saying it. There's like all these things. So I'm trying to make space for the fact that, you know, this rare form of Tourette's. This is of what's the word? A tick. It's a part of it. It's a part of it. It's a part of the tick. Tick manifest itself. But knowing that, this is my issue, knowing that, knowing that this particular John Davidson has this type of Tourette's, knowing that it is a possibility that not just profanity but racial slurs are a part of it. This is why I feel like you have to blame the BAFTA awards because I feel like there were other options that were available to them and they did not do it. And this is not me being an ableist, right? So some people might listen to me talking about it in this way and saying, oh, you're being an ableist because one of the options that I would have proposed is that he attended, but not when there's a live audience, when it's on live television, when there's a possibility that not just the people on stage can be subjected to this, but the people in the audience, the people watching on television. If you know that that's a possibility, then I feel like there should have been some understanding of the extent of that disability, and they should have been able to weigh that against what the audience may be subjected to. And what we were left with were two successful black actors who were, I feel, this isn't their words, but a moment that was embarrassing and infuriating to watch. Like they had to sit there and once again keep their cool. They didn't have to, but they did, and they maintained composure, and they were professional, and they moved on. So I think it's, yeah, I just feel like they weren't protected. in all of this and i feel like that was the main problem in all of this and to watch them like you laughed at the beginning you made me laugh and i understand that reaction and we've talked about this before on the podcast like that's the kind of stuff that sometimes we do to laugh through the pain but for them to sit there just that visual of them hearing that and on stage when they are oscar one of them is an oscar nominated actor they both are or i meant sorry for Sinners, but yes, they both are. They're a part of an Oscar-nominated film with an Oscar-nominated cast with an Oscar-nominated director in an Oscar-nominated screenplay with Oscar-nominated music and they still have to be reminded on stage that they're in Digger at the end of the day. So this is what I'm saying. I've done a lot of research and I've looked at it and I've heard people talk about what the plan is when people are experiencing tics this way. Okay? So like, I watch a lot of videos and Ole put some videos up of people that have Tourette's talking about their tics and talking about how their tics manifest themselves. And I guess the plan is when you got two brothers up there looking beautiful up there for their artistic value what they've done in this moment of celebration I guess the plan is when that tick comes out from the audience that you understand it you roll on with it it's a part of it I guess that's the plan right now my question is what's the other plan because that plan not going to work and I'm just I'm just letting you know right because I gotta be honest with you if I'm walking down the street and you tick nigga at me on the wrong day I might tick your ass into the sun and that is that is like I'm sorry that people are hearing that and that is triggering people and I hope hope hope to be better, more elevated, more evolved in all things, including this. But it is very rare that someone else's disability condition comes, you have to make space for that, at the expense of your humanity. Normally it's the other way around. Normally you are expanding your humanity in the acceptance of disabilities and situations like that, right? You're saying, hey, you know what? We can make more spaces. We can make more places. We can make a more inclusive society. It's all great. But if I dress up in Versace, Louis Vuitton, actively black, whatever it is, and I look beautiful and I'm in a moment where I'm talking to people and somebody gets to scream nigga at me when I'm on the stage I'm just letting you know that that might not be possible like I might that you're there's one thing in you know asking for space there's another thing with saying you know this space might not be available that might not be possible So I don't know what the other plan is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it would be. Obviously, you can't tell somebody they can't come to the award show. That is going to seem like you are separating society based upon what people's disabilities might be. But I am saying this. If the plan is nigga and then be going, hey, my bad, I know that you. I got to ask what the other plan is and we got to figure out the other plan because I'm letting you guys know that plan might not be viable. Yeah, well, I think that's what I mean about the award show, knowing the extent of his disability. And that's it's like you can he could come, but maybe not be in a setting where other people can hear him because it didn't just happen on stage. The set or the production designer from center said that she also heard it was hurled at her and then it was hurled at another black woman as well. So there were multiple times where the N word came out. And so I get there's like been this debate online as well, where. There are a lot of people who I'm sorry, man, I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to push through. Hold on. I know. I know. I'm sorry, man. This is wrong. What's happening right now is wrong. So you mean to tell me. I'm going to tell you exactly what she said. She said, I keep trying to write about what happened at the BAFTAs, and I can't find the words. The situation is almost impossible, but it happened three times that night, and one of the three times was directed at myself on the way to dinner after the show, and a third time at a black woman. And she goes on to say more, but she's upset at the way the award show handled it and the apology. And I think that is something to highlight as much as not just what they were subjected to on stage, in the audience, and people watching. There's so much around problematic when you talk about the plan of what they did. It seems very much so that the Baptists were dismissive in black pain and the impact that this could have on the black community. Because what I don't think people are doing, because you're seeing people argue and litigate this on social media, And it's a lot of people telling black people how to feel about what was said about the N-word being hurled out multiple times. A lot of white people are telling black people how to feel. And that is also triggering black people because this isn't the first time. It won't be the last time that we constantly see non-blacks telling black people how they should react to a situation that has offended them. Black people aren't calling John Davidson racist. They're not jumping to that. But the word he said is racism. And so black people are allowed to feel a certain way about that. And what is not OK is that for the host and the award show to put out a statement directly after Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo had to be subjected to that saying there may be some strong language. No, it was offensive. It's racist language. Not that that is his intent, but that's what the impact is. And so I feel like there needs to be a bigger conversation of how to handle how that would, despite how or why it was thrown out there, the impact that that has on black people and the way that it is handled by non-black people. Because it isn't until today, after all the backlash, that the BAFTAs have put out a more extensive apology about what happened. And that should have been done before. part of this is a misunderstanding of to me at least from where i sit a misunderstanding surrounding the word nigger i use the word nigger all the time use it aloud use it in jest i use it in community i was talking to a lot of people maybe i shouldn't but let me tell you the stupid five cent reason this is dumb so put it in the lowers Van is being dumb what I'm about to say is legitimately dumb this is legitimately a low IQ thing, dumb, stupid the reason why I say it so much part of it is because I know that it is uncomfortable for people at large. I know that it's uncomfortable to hear the word. Blacks or non-blacks? Non-blacks. So you stay in front of them on purpose is what you're saying? A lot. I know that it's uncomfortable for them. I know that it's uncomfortable. It's also for me almost a line setting. Because of course the word nigger is dehumanizing. It's a unique word in that it is a flashpoint term used to describe hundreds of years of dehumanization. We say it's offensive and you're right, it is offensive. But it's dehumanizing. There's man, there's woman, and then there's nigger. And we've talked about this. Nigger is neither man nor woman. Nigger is thing. Nigger is not person. Nigger is bought. Nigger is sold. Nigger is beaten. That is nigger. So when you call someone a nigger, particularly when it's coming from white people, it is representative of white supremacy. It is white supremacy boiled down into one word, nigger. now the way I was raised was that you didn't let a white man call you that black people called you that all the time whatever reason black people called you that all the time you didn't let a white man call you that if you acquiesced to a white man calling you that you were agreeing that's the thing you were agreeing if a white man calls you this is a deal, a white man calls you a nigger a white person calls you a nigger what they are saying is all of those things that the word means and if you don't do something about it you're agreeing you're in agreement with that you are now by your lack of action saying everything that that word represents is true it's a it's a fact so the reason why uh the old black people that raised me said hey never let that happen is because what they were trying to tell me was that there were a group of people who had to agree. And we want you to know that you are not one of them. Sure. There are a group of people who, if they didn't agree, white man, come along, burn down the church, burn down the school, kill everybody. And that's what your ancestors did. I'm sorry. It's inconvenient. What they did was this is what happened. They would something would happen that they wouldn't like it. They would make up a reason. When I say something would happen to do with like it, I'm not talking about like somebody would like offend them. I'm talking about you would open a store and they didn't like the fact that a black person opened a store. They would make up a reason because they didn't like that. They would come there. They would kill everyone and take the store. They would kill everyone, take the black man, cut his dick off in front of his family, kill everyone, take the store. take the land, make the black people move to Oakland. That's what happened. It doesn't matter. Fuck you. It doesn't matter how inconvenient that is. And nigger was all of that stuff. So now for me, I say, hey, I can say this thing as much as I want. I say it. I say it. I say it. The moment that you say it, I'm almost baiting you to fuck up. The moment that you say I get the exact consequence on you. And that consequence almost makes me a person. The fact that I can say no is me rebelling against the idea that the word represents, which is that you are this thing and you can't say no to it. You got y'all that makes no sense. But that is how I feel sometimes. Now, I'll say this. Inventing, not inventing, being in a situation where you want to be a good neighbor and a good member of society. is at loggerheads with the fact that someone is using that term. It's an interesting place to be in. That's why it's kind of funny. It's kind of funny to be like to be in a situation where you're actually the good person. If you let a white man call you a nigga, because that is what white people try to say. That's what white supremacy tries to say. What white supremacy tries to say is, hey, it's just a word. The right thing to do is to get called a nigga by somebody and be like, ah, whatever. They've been trying to make that case for a long time. And this is actually a situation where the case seemingly from a situation of social responsibility or trying to be elevated where it has merit. And all I'm saying is, if that's the plan, if Michael B. Jordan and Dory Lindo got to be called niggas on stage at the BAFTA Awards to be good people, if that's the current plan, I'm telling people we need another plan. That plan is not going to work. I'm just letting you know, that plan is not sustainable. There needs to be another plan. And to Rachel's point, we haven't thought about it. We haven't looked into it. We haven't really think about it because I don't know about this movie or whatever's going on with it. But if y'all think that Delroy or Michael or Autumn or Ryan is going to be walking up on stage, because obviously this guy's not getting invited to NAACP Awards, the AFCA Awards, you know what I mean? The Pan-African Film Festival to the American Black Film Festival. it would be funny if they did invite him that would be hilarious but if you think that they all if Wumi is going to walk up on stage and be on stage and that from the crowd somebody's going to be yelling nigga at her and we're going to be like everybody okay now just you know that's not going to happen so I'll just truce for right now think of plan B what do you think about the fact that they that this aired hour, like this was filmed or recorded hours before it aired over here. And they bleeped out Free Palestine but not the N-word. Oh, come on, man. Y'all gotta do better as an award show. Come on, man. As an award show, like, again, it's just, I know, but it's just like this is where I'm directing all my energy towards. You did not protect the black community at all. And it feels like you didn't care to. Well, that's what that's what that feels. It was an opportunity. Everything for black people is an opportunity to learn why should we why we should be called niggas. Everything is an opportunity to learn. America has been trying to teach us why we some niggas for a long time. And the number one lesson that America has been trying to teach is that you are niggers so everything there never going to be a there always going to be a good time to remind black people that they are niggers Always That lesson will always be right there Hey you niggers because somebody else has a disability You're niggers because somebody has free speech. You're you're niggers because you're violent. You're niggers because you're criminals. You're niggers because you're oversexed. America's always going to try to teach us why we are niggers. And why we shouldn't react so strongly when called by that. Because that's what's happening on social media. Guys know they're considering other people's feelings more than black people's feelings. And that's what seems to not be resonating with the other side of it. It's funny. It's almost like you guys, you just deal with it. We can move on off this, but it's funny. it's like the overall i guess lesson from this is that there's a group of people that can't stop calling black people niggers there's nothing they can do to stop i'm like yeah i get it i know i don't even know if it's that as much as it's just no that is that's exactly what the thing is i guess the other side of it too is your pain will always be minimized to yeah i'm not talking about that what i'm talking about is like legitimately what i just point no no no that's what i'm taking away from the science of it no i'm not forget about what i'm taking away from it the science legitimately says the science of it like what people is that they can't help it like they they can't help it like they so that's what i'm saying so like that part is the beginning of it what i'm saying on the back end of it is that the reason why that explanation doesn't go anywhere with me is because that's the explanation that has always been used in just like a different form like we can't help but niggerize you like weird like you will be niggerized i wasn't trying to like i wanted to make sure that i was clear in in like what i what i was saying i wasn't saying that like but the reality is that where even though intellectually those things are for different reasons that's the same thing that has been said so that's why it's not going to go anywhere with me now. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. No, no, no. I get you. I'm just saying also for me, the way that it is being litigated, it just raises a whole nother thing in how other people treat black people when they're saying that they're offended or upset about something. That is all that pain is minimized or excused. Dismissed. Last thing I'll say before we get off this, there are many slurs. Try it with some of the other ones. okay okay alright just saying there are many we're being asked to have a lot of patience about it I get it I understand it just try it with some of the other slurs you're not going to the award show okay I just want to let you know try it with some other ones you're not you're not invited to the award show You won't be there Okay We won't be having a sit down Societally Just try it with some of the other slurs You're not going to the show Alright Donnie next headline Yeah let's switch to music Teddy Riley he walked back earlier comments That he made about wanting to work with R. Kelly Those comments were in A interview with the LA Times Last week where he said that he talked to R. Kelly a couple of times And that he is bringing in investors to help release some portion of the 25 albums that Kelly has reportedly recorded while in prison. Teddy, what are you doing, bro? Teddy, why? Why? Why? I think I have... I think I know why. Go ahead. Try to help him out. I'm not trying to help him out. Okay. First of all, I love Teddy Riley. You love Teddy Riley, don't you? What's your favorite Teddy Riley song? I like that's the one I like is the top I love that song I like it too but that's a good one literally I love that song it's a good one I just expected I get it he's got a lot of hits Teddy Riley that's Guy everything that Teddy Riley is on is Teddy Riley. This is what I think. I think that this statement and what Teddy Riley said he said he's bringing in investors to help release some portion of the 25 albums R. Kelly has recorded in prison. He wants to get this music out. I don't think this is a money grab because I don't think Teddy needs it. I think that there are two things happening here. One is just simply a lot of older people a lot of older brothers in the music industry just have relationships and the relationships that they have it's difficult for them to reconcile people their view of the people that they have these relationships with you see that all the time you see brothers in the industry go hey I know this person this is 1987 this person is 1987 that means you have a different relationship to them and you're wondering why people look at this person in this way. But there's another thing, too, that I think exists. I think that Teddy Riley and a lot of people that came along at that time don't really understand how robust the conversation is right now surrounding celebrities and people's misdeeds. Because people have always had misdeeds, and then we've always gotten over this stuff. I say this all the time. If you go back and you look at like James Brown's Wikipedia, it's crazy. If you look at some of the lives that these people led, it's crazy. And I think that if you got popping in the 80s, around the time that Teddy Riley got popping, or in the 90s, there was a certain cultural understanding of the menaces that some of these people are, or the profound problems in their personal lives that we kind of didn't give a fuck about like that we kind of talked about things but like we really didn't give a fuck like people really didn't fucking care you would i would hear stuff from my mom just like uh just like almost quaintly like jim brown pushed a woman off of a balcony or stuff you just hear that kind of stuff and like no one it wouldn't be something that would be like oh we can't watch any jim brown movies or we shouldn't look at Jim Brown. They would just say stuff like that. And then it would just be there. Like almost like, oh, you know, he ain't all that. He pushed that woman off that balcony, whatever, whatever. I think guys that came along at that time, it's still hard for them to accept that things are different. It's hard for them to accept that a lot of the stuff now, people aren't just going to like casually gloss over it. And not only are they not going to casually gloss over it, when you say you about to put the records out, they're gonna be like why are you trying to change our opinion of r kelly like are you then endorsing the things that r kelly has been convicted of like do you are you with him like to me producing albums are putting out r kelly stuff it's like going to the epstein island at this point it's like what are you trying to do so i think that legitimately teddy riley was probably surprised at the response that he got from this because I think that that older guard of guys I think they still looking at shit they think that these terrible things have happened and that eventually people will get over them not in 2026 I'm not cutting you anything in 2026 there's no way to me that Teddy Riley is still holding if Teddy Riley is still holding on to that to what you just said it is because he has his feet in the ground and wants to be defiant in that way and not because he doesn't understand it. I'm sorry in 2026 I just can't cut him any bell for that. He goes on before I know Donnie didn't read him taking it back but he says the reason he wants to find investors and collaborate with him and work with him and he's been having conversations he says everybody deserves a second chance. This whole second chance rhetoric centers around the perpetrator and not around the survivor's trauma. And like when I hear Teddy Riley be so dismissive of what R. Kelly is in jail for, you are in no way considering, you're just looking at R. Kelly and you're not considering all the people that were impacted directly by what he did and other survivors of who have been impacted by sexual assault and abuse. Like, I just have such it's I don't even want you to read, Donnie, his apology or his statement, because I feel like that is just a publicity statement that you put out or somebody from your team wrote for you and put out because you saw the backlash that was out there, because it's just hard for me to believe that you had absolutely no concept of understanding how controversial this announcement in this collaboration or potential collaboration could be, because when you say, I just want to give him a second chance, everybody deserves a second chance. I just want to run down some things since we want to focus on the second chance part. Before R. Kelly was even in jail, he had faced so many allegations of sexual abuse and assault. In February of 2019, he was charged with 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse, and nine of those counts involved a minor between the ages of 13 and 16 years old. In May of 2019, he faced 11 new charges. These were four counts of aggravated criminal sexual assault, two counts of criminal sexual assault by force, and five counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse, three of the five involving minors. July, same year, he faced federal charges, a 13-count indictment. The list goes on and on and on. There was a charge in Minnesota that was dropped. There were superseding indictments both on the state and on the federal level. I mean, they were both on the federal level, sorry, in Illinois and New York. What number am I up to? We're past second chances when it comes with R. Kelly. I don't even know how many charges I just named. And he is now facing or he now has been convicted and he is in jail for 30 years. and there's another 20-year thing that most of that 20 years is running concurrently with this 30-year thing. So, Teddy Riley, you are not that ignorant. You are not that, like, naive to what R. Kelly has done. We are on, like, our 50th chance when it comes to R. Kelly if you decided to potentially collaborate with him. So when I look at that and I put all that together, that is just you choosing to turn a blind eye and ignore the impact of R. Kelly, the terror of R. Kelly. And rather than trying to protect and hold on to this image that you have of R. Kelly from the 80s, 90s, early 2000s, how about you try to protect people in our community from a predator and a monster like R. Kelly? That's the narrative we need to be talking about and focusing on. So I really don't care what statement Teddy Riley put out after Because I just with all of that just out there in your face, and even if you don't know all the different charges that I named, all the different states on both state and federal level that he has been charged and convicted with, you know that R. Kelly is a predator. There have been documentaries. There have been firsthand accounts. There have been people in the industry that have spoken out. There have been podcasts. There's so much information. And you want us to just be like, okay, you're right. We're just going to accept what you did. Or we're just going to accept the fact that you not just made a statement that you wanted to collaborate. You are actively trying to do it. This is my point. So. Number one, it wouldn't have actually even mattered how many times to me. I'm just saying to me, how many times R. Kelly has been convicted of child sex stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Number one, you don't get a second chance for that. No, you don't. Okay, so that's number one. There's a lot of things you get a second chance for. You can get a second chance for actually killing someone, to me, before you get a second chance for, like, molesting a child, killing a kid, or doing stuff to children. There are people I know that are involved in gang stuff, that are involved in bad situations, have actually taken lives. And I, personally, would be sooner to give second chances to those people. I believe in second chances. I believe that once you go to jail, I wouldn't be fighting things like recidivism and stuff like that if I didn't believe that. Of course, I believe in second chances. I also believe that there was a specific pathology that existed with R. Kelly for such a long time that R. Kelly doesn't need to be rehabilitated in the culture of the court of public opinion. Right. Because he puts black girls in danger. Now, everything that you just said is not in conflict with what I said at all. I know. So like what like what I'm saying is that because to me, if Teddy Riley. So there's either two things, either Teddy Riley understands everything that you just said. And he went, fuck, I'm gonna work with R. Kelly again, because because I believe the second. Second chances, if that's the case, I actually don't think that he would have backed off of it if he was so gung ho to do it because he wanted to in some way, either give R. Kelly that second chance or spice things up, I think that he probably would have gone through with it because he had to have known that deciding to work with R. Kelly at this time was going to be controversial. I honestly think, and this is the deal, it's not even an ignorance as much as it is not even an it is an ignorance it's an ignorance to the fact that people have drawn a line in the sand culturally the way they didn't in the past there's a new set not when I say a new set I mean it might not even be new put it to you like this social media and the existence of the internet has allowed people to make celebrities and heroes out of people with niche audiences right right now in 1988 if 500 000 people liked you it really didn't matter that much right because the thing would be could you get 500 000 people to come out to a concert and pay actual money could you get 500 000 people to buy a cd to like go to the store and buy it could you get 500 000 people to go to the movies and all of that stuff you don't need any of that stuff if you are on social media right now selling something and you got a half a million people that are fucking with you that means something to a lot of people right you have a constituency they don't have to buy nothing they don't have to go anywhere all they have to do is do something they would be doing anyway which is see a video of you talking or something of you talking and press play right so it does allow people to like find community with people like that what it has also done is set this granite solid trail of people's misdeeds like the information is right there you type r kelly into the goddamn thing you get music and you get misconduct so people are not going to forget they used to forget they used to forget the comedians that were 40 40 years old that uh like had 17 year old girlfriends like they used to they used to forget that stuff it used to be that you could move on from terrible things and you can't do it as easy anymore these older guys for whatever reason and gals because i could talk about some of our favorite women in this space that were very close to guys who were predators and known predators and have been very uh fucking i don't even know what the word is they've been very accepting of what those guys have done for a long time the older you are the more difficult it is sometimes to me for people to deal with the fact that people not going for this type of shit anymore it's not an excuse that i'm giving to teddy riley as to why he came out there and decided to work with r kelly it was a stupid fucking thing to do it's an explanation and it is the moment that he fucking found out that you can't do that like that people are not going to be like yeah man kell's fucked up boys will be boys now uh let's bring them back in the fold that's never gonna happen that's right and it shouldn't there's that's never gonna happen and once every fucking couple of years one of the old heads one of the people that's up they get reminded of it and when he did this i laughed because i was like yo teddy what was was because Teddy's on a run right now he's talking about a lot of things I'm like was it too quiet he's got a book he's got a book I'm like Teddy is it is it too quiet is it is it did you want to get people going a little bit did you want to because I know that we're not there's nobody that's going to have a conversation there's some diehard R Kelly fans but R Kelly's gone he's not coming back right and it doesn't matter who could produce it Moses could produce it right it's not coming back. Yeah, I don't think that he, you know, your point to saying you don't think that he was like, I want to make music with R. Kelly deserves a second chance and I want to make music with him, so I'm going to do it. You said that the fact that he put out this statement after you don't think that it was as, I guess the way that I described it of, he definitely, if he was going to if he had that mentality, he would have just done it anyway, but the fact that he put this out you think that that necessarily wasn't the case? the only reason I would disagree with that is because I think if it affects your pockets then you're going to change your mind and so I still believe that he wanted to make music with R. Kelly so he was going to make music and the only reason he changed his mind is because somebody whether it was an investor whether it was the fact hey you got a book coming out the people didn't really respond well to this you need people to buy this book not be against you it's like well now I got to put out a statement that's what I think I do not think that this was him being, I don't think he was naive or ignorant. I think he wanted to do it. He tried it. He realized you can't do it anymore to your point. And it realized it was going to hurt him as an individual, as an entrepreneur, as an author, as a musician. Well, I mean, once again, this is the fundamental difference between I guess the way we see things, right? I don't know that he, so there's a, I guess if I understand it, you're saying that like there was some either cynicism or sinister intent in doing this from the beginning and it still remains the only thing that's changed is that people are not going for it i think yes i think he because of him saying it wasn't like hey guys i want to work with r kelly it's like i've had most conversations with him i'm looking at investors i'm talking about collaborating he wanted to do this without a doubt he put time in to possibly make this work right last thing I'll say. I was having a conversation with someone and the conversation was about the I'm Black and I'm Proud album. Not the song. I'll tell you who I was talking to. I was talking to the great FD signifier. And FD brought something up. James Brown, according to FD, didn't want to make I'm Black and I'm Proud. James Brown was a publicist. That's what FD told me. He said that that James Brown didn't want to make the record. But James Brown felt like he needed to make it. He had to make the record because that was the sentiment of the culture then. 1968. 1968. That was the sentiment of the culture then. The sentiment of the culture was that, guess what? We are black and we are proud. and even though that James Brown was a Republican, might have had conservative leanings, might have voted from whomever or wanted to vote for whoever he wanted to make something that resonated with the artist with the audience why do I bring that up? I bring that up because in my opinion what happened to Teddy Riley and what was supposed to happen to Teddy Riley is a miscalculation by Teddy Riley by what the audience would accept but it's also what's supposed to happen what i'm trying to convince people is that it is less to me at least about the personal morality of these people that we are talking about and whether or not they are good people or not um if you start walking around and look to all my friends in this town and stuff like that i love y'all uh if you start walking around looking for the good people that are out here that are doing this stuff god damn y'all gonna disappoint yourselves when i say good people i mean good people by the way that you judge good people really what they just are are just people people like all of us who fuck up make mistakes who lie all the time who backbite all the time they just different in what they lie and what they backbite about right you might lie about sleeping with your brother-in-law your mother-in-law or whatever they lie about who they're working with or what they're doing or the deals that they make. So I don't believe that this. What I do believe, though, is that with people like Teddy Riley, there's an extra added piece of this. And that piece is that you as a group of people that have to buy this stuff can really make him do what you want him to do or stop him from doing the thing that you don't think that he should be doing by saying, hey, we're not going for that. and so that to me is what teddy riley kind of found out here was the limit of what an audience will accept he might be in a place with a bunch of older people because there are a bunch of people out there still listen to r kelly i separate the man from the music all of that stuff even in the circles of like you've heard other people say like r kelly is still the king r kelly is still the best We don't want to take that away from him, all of that stuff. He might have found out that this is not a viable thing to do. We spent too much time on this, but I think it was interesting. That's all I'm saying. Like, I understand what you're saying, but like, whether or not Teddy Riley is an asshole or not, to me, he could be. But what, to me, it looks like it happened is he threw something out there that he thought would fly with people. And then he learned that we're not trying to fucking fuck with that type of shit. It's interesting. James Brown supported a Democrat in 1968 and then supported Richard Nixon after that. So he was... When the song came out, he was at least publicly still a Democrat. He was a Trump-Obama voter. He was an Obama-Trump voter. I guess. That's what FD said. So look, but even if you take that framework, if you take that framework in terms of... Which is why I'd rather the converse... Not rather. which is why I think it's normally more substantive to have the conversation around these people be systemic because they're not really even people. Like they're not people like we just that when we the celebrities that we look at and the people that were, they're not really people. They're like. We hold them both to a higher standard than we do to regular people, right? and then on the back side of it we expect them to make decisions that like we don't make that like other people don't make so the best thing to do is to use your power as their audiences to like make them make those decisions what happened to Teddy what the fuck is Teddy doing you want to have him on the show Teddy Ryder I'm okay he apologized because he had to he apologized so you can't listen to i like anymore what about this think about well i like his guy so well shit it's teddy rock never mind you guys you guys you can't do it i'm just letting you guys know go ahead you can try you can try to have the this is these are the good people that we want to support and i would just say look at yourself look she likes it you can't it's everybody was just doing that thing you can try but it's gonna you're gonna frustrate yourself So I'm saying take it from me. Nigga, I know. Oh, Gavin Newsom. Yeah, let's stick to the topic of backlash because he is getting some as well. Yeah. He sat down with Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens as part of his book tour. And this exchange has been doing the rounds online. You know, I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960 SAT guy. And, you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to act all there if you got 940. But literally a 960 SAT guy. I cannot. You've never seen me read a speech because I cannot read a speech. so he's talking to black people and they said that he said he said you dummies um you're dumb and that i i'm like you because you're dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb yeah that was the takeaway that's what they said that's what they said i even before i saw some of the other stuff that's come out about it i felt like the you was understood but i think the problem with like a like a like an understood you. I don't think that he was directly targeting it to black people. I think he got caught up in trying to be relatable and his you, which would normally work in a diverse or mainly white audience, it lands differently when you're talking to black people. You're talking to a black audience. You're in Atlanta. You're talking you're on stage being interviewed by a black mayor. People are going to take that you. You say I'm like you. So, of course, that's the way that it lands but i i understood that he was trying to say it as understood you but back to my point i feel like this is the problem you know we we know what joe biden said if you ain't black uh you you know black however he said it well if you don't vote for me you ain't black if you don't vote for me ain't black like it's this issue with when you have these white democrats trying to come in men i'll say we're really just white democrats period but coming in and because I've used the examples where Biden and Newsom, but they come in and they're trying to be so relatable and it comes off the wrong way. And so I feel like that's what's happened here. And that's why I was trying to give the Biden example because we've seen it happen before. I don't think that his intention, Biden's intention was as bad as his was worse, but I don't think Gavin Newsom's intention was bad because as I'm sure you'll point out, he said it before, but you have to understand who you're talking to. And to me, him spitting out points that he's used before and not realizing who he's talking to also highlights a problem of you're just talking to me like a politician. And you're not talking to me in a way that speaks directly to me or resonates with me. You're on stage trying to say I'm like you, but you're using the same example that you use to another audience. No, if you are trying to relate to me as a black person in a black community, then I need you to talk to me in a different kind of way. and then him trying to talk in the way that he talks to everybody got him caught up. And although I don't think that that's what he was trying to say, I understand how people can take it that way. I think it's a lesson for a Gavin Newsom or any white Democrat politician that's going to be talking to black people and you feel like you're trying to be on their level. It shows how disconnected you truly are. This is an example of that. Wow. Donnie. Oh, you thought I'd say something different? I didn't. You went in. I like that shit. donnie can we can you show the picture that i just put in the chat that's the audience that's the audience i thought they said it was black that they did they said it that's that's the audience it got me so so go down this is the audience he was talking to okay so there's black people in there but but it wasn't a black audience shit no well had it been a black audience then my point would have been but but but this is this is the reason why i had this by the way this just popped up this wasn't in there because we like this this just popped up now go down also donnie play play the clip that i put in the uh but what would you like for us to take away from that what would you like for the reader to know more intimately about you and how those two shepherds two separate lives that you had together and the tough decisions you made and the risk that you had to take and even growing up with dyslexia and all that like what do you want us to take from that and where you are today that so then gavin goes on he does the same thing that i do that he did on this podcast which is talk for 17 minutes straight okay so number one the audience didn't seem to be he's talking to a black man but the audience didn't seem to be and this when i say this just popped up i mean i just i'm on twitter right now scrolling around and Tim Miller just put this up right number one it didn't seem to be a black audience in the way that like we that social media been reported number one number two he legitimately was asked in the question that preceded this back and forth about his dyslexia which would then prompt him to do the same boring shit he did with Charlie Kirk or other people and said i got a 960 sat now i will say that i have a separate criticism first of all i whooped his ass on the sat but i will say that uh separately did i i take the sat my ppsat whatever like it but like you have to take the sat well act louisiana oh is it ACT I guess you could have done either one we took it and gifted yeah but Gavin Newsom to your point same lazy shit that politicians do that we don't like hey I am a 960 SAT which means I'm the average american i'm the average american because i'm of slightly average to above average intellect that i would make a 960 on the sat that's the overall point you know i agree with you that that is a poor attempt to every man himself by saying i'm basically stupid like the rest of you guys not stupid you're not stupid if you have a nice but average but average of the rest of you guys or saying that there's nothing intellectually special about me that denotes that I should be ruling you. I'm one of you guys. I'm somebody that had to, you know, really work hard to get that on the SAT, overcome all of these pitfalls, get into college and do all of this stuff. I think that that kind of flies in the face of what I believe the plight of the average American to be right now, which is not intellect. I think the plight of the average American is opportunity. The plight of the average American is whether or not you can make enough money at the job that you are working, whether or not you are an unharvested genius or a 960 SAT score type of person, whether or not there are enough opportunities out there, enough jobs out there, whether or not you have proper health care, whether or not you have proper protection, your voting rights are secure, your wages are growing, proper housing, all of that stuff. proper nutrition. Those are, to me, the things that make you an average American. And those are things that Gavin Newsom cannot agree with those people in the audience on or any other average man who lives a life totally different than them. So the question is, the fact that you live a life totally different from them, what do you see in your life or in your vision of this country that makes you want to work specifically for them? I'm just like you because I struggled on the standardized test to me is not a thing but there is no part of this in no way shape or form in any way in no way that was racist no way yeah i agree i actually score one for the right here y'all saw gavin newsom talking to a black man y'all saw gavin newsom in a black city and y'all went we gonna find something to kick his ass on and on a monday morning they found something and they got it and not just the right was on this people to my left that saw the opportunity to attack the centrist corporatist democrat gavin newsom also took this opportunity to be like look at how shitty he is fine it's politics no problem with it no problem politics no problem with it. No problem with it. I'm not a Gavin Newsom guy. He came on the podcast although he changed his tune. Shout out to Ryan Graham and the people over there at DropSite. I guess he was talking to Adam Mockler and he said that he would keep his distance from APAC. Gavin, we helped you. You're welcome. But what I would say in this situation is this was a master class. A master class at how I believe that the actual and real concerns of black Americans as far as racism, race politics, and who we are are being whipped around in this election like never before. There is a reckoning that is coming and that reckoning that is coming is only going to be fought or only going to be had if us as people truly negotiate and litigate what hurts us for real i get it i understand it i with the moment i saw this i went back and watched the entire interview which is why i was able to pull the question i watched the whole interview because even the clip i was like what's going on about you know i was like i'm gonna watch the interview from front to back and if it's time to give gavin Newsom a kick in the knee over him saying, remember the jerk chicken thing from the Breakfast Club? Who said that? Lee Zeldin. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Charlamagne asked Lee Zeldin about what he was going to do for black people and Lee Zeldin came back and he went, you know, I was at the Jamaican jerk chicken fest with Angela this week and Charlamagne went, bruh, ask you what you're going to do for black people when you talk about Jamaican jerk chicken. I'm with it every day of the week. I'm with it when Joe Biden did it with it. But I will let people know that there was a coordinated effort by certain accounts, certain accounts, some of them black, some of them the same old people to genie up something that at the base of it, the core of it was playing upon identity and black grievance with American politics. this was a very cynical attempt I'm not in any way coming out y'all know how I feel we had Gavin on the podcast go listen to it not my type of candidate right this was a very cynical and overt attempt to something or nothing and we gotta watch out for that well and you know I didn't I know you said you just saw it when I was talking about it by the way nobody's trying to play Rach because that like legitimately just hit my timeline. And I'm only circling back into it. Thank you for saying that. I'm only circling back to it because in my initial comment, I said I understood that it was an understood you without even assuming the audience is black because that's how it was reported. I wasn't assuming it was reported it was black. But I still hold the same truth in what I said because I too didn't see that or hear that clip and say, oh my gosh, Gavin Newsom, he's a racist. You know, or, oh, we got him. He's not who he pretends to be. I understood what he was trying to say. But I do think it is. I still hold that true. I think it is a lesson of like, you've got to find a way to relate to people like you've had a really good point about a 960 average SAT score is not the way to relate to the average person. It's not intellect anymore. I do think this is a lesson of you cannot be so lazy in your way of trying to relate to American citizens or to voters. You have to be better than that because people are a little bit more on top of it now and are more vocal and educated about what their needs are. So that's not going to fly. When did Gavin Newsom go to college? He went to say I just was looking that up. Santa Clara State or Santa something state. Santa State. He was also there. he was out there Santa Clara University Bachelor of Science and then he founded a boutique winery Pump Jack Group in Oakville with billionaire and family friend Gordon Getty as an investor yeah I mean his dad did legal work for Gordon Getty so look you guys let's go back to it let's go back and have a conversation just talk about it this is the part of it that you just got to point out you having a 960 SAT score is one thing okay we understand that maybe we're a little bit maybe people are a little smarter maybe they're a little bit behind you but let me tell you what didn't and I saw when I watched this shout out to Mayor Dickens Dickens Dickinson Andre Dickens Andre Dickens right is it Andre Dickens or Dickinson I'm questioning. It's Dickens. Andre Dickens. Andre Dickens, the mayor of Atlanta. Keep going. Shout out to him because as Gavin was talking about his book, if you watch the whole back and forth, as Gavin was talking about his book, he talks a lot about his mom's side. Gavin tells a story about going up there and like going through his mom's files and finding out that this entire time, the after school program that he was going to is actually dyslexia. Like therapy is actually going to therapy for his dyslexia. It's very story. Kind of, you know, whatever. but Mayor Dickens actually points out during the interview he goes well you know you have your mom's side and then you have your dad's side that's connected to the Getty family so he in a way goes alright Gavin the every man thing we get it but it's partly horseshit it is that to me when I look at this is yes I had a 960 SAT true puts you in like the 40th percentile right a lot of people have 960 SATs apparently, like 40th percentile you're a solid American person, you're going to college you get into a decent college if you work hard you will be okay no that's not no maybe, but if you want to be the governor it would help to have the Getty family invest in punk jack group uh so that you can then start a business it would help to be born in proximity proximity to american capital and power what i would rather hear somebody like gavin newsom say if i was being vansom newsom i would rather say you know what i'm a regular guy but i had a couple of breaks. I had a couple of breaks. My family knew one of the, oh, shout out to Balthazar Getty, who I know, by the way, shout out Balthazar. My family had some breaks that other families don't, and I want to make sure that it's not the breaks that establish the winners and losers in America. I had a break, so what I want to break is that system. so good so good so like i just one simple google search shows that i'm the man your family worked for as an attorney for oil and is related to the gettys like why do they think that people are just gonna be like i'm just like that guy too that was that was great and i bet we'll see somebody use what you just did that was fantastic it's never gonna it's not gonna happen for me because of the whole you know like it's like a lot of jenny jack me jack me because of all of these people that i have supported that i think are hard working i've thought about it i've thought about it before huh which office just thought about running talk to pick off run you know i thought about just breaking the system, just coming in and all of my actively black and just not even running to run, but just running to, you know, be a disruptor just to disrupt it, just to make everybody loosen their tie a little bit. No, I don't want to do it. Because like when they start looking at you different when you do that, they start, you know, going through all of this stuff around and win and you'd be like, nah, it's never happened. But I'm saying like, that's the thing when I saw all of this is like people are concentrating on this perceived racial slight that Gavin Newsom was a part of when that's really not real. The actual slight is that Gavin Newsom is up there acting like he's like you. Did you see Mike Huckabee on Tucker Carlson? I saw some of it. I couldn't finish watching the whole thing. I watched the whole thing. I know you did. I couldn't do two hours now. I watched the whole thing. The whole thing. I guess my question is this. Donnie, get into this. Yeah, Mike Huckabee drew some backlash from Arab and Muslim nations after some comments he made on said show, Tucker Carlson's show. This is what Mike Huckabee said. You've appealed to Genesis. Genesis 15 says it's Abram, it's pre-Abraham, it's Abram, receives from God the news that his descendants will inherit the land, and you tell me as the theologian if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates to the Nile. I think that's right. And that would include basically the entire Middle East. That would be the Levant. So that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. I'm not sure it would go that far. I mean, it would be a big piece of land. But here's the point. It would be a lot of places that are now countries. But this particular area that we're talking about now, Israel, is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he chose. It was a people, a place, and a purpose. We can look at it that way. Christian Zionism. I want to go back because that's where we started. I'm not going to let you off on this because you have said it three times that God gave this land to this people. And so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask, what land are you talking about? Because I just read Genesis 15, as I have many times. And that land, I think it says from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is once again, basically the entire Middle East. So God gave that land to his people, the Jews, or he didn't. You're saying he did. What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis. You're saying that's the original deed It would be fine if they took it all Obviously There are a plethora of countries that were like We're not into that So there was a joint statement Signed by a list of countries Jordan, the UAE Saudi Arabia, Egypt Turkey, Indonesia Pakistan That said the ambassador to Israel comments were dangerous and inflammatory which constitute a flagrant violation of the principles of international law and the Charter of the United Nations imposed a grave threat to security and stability of the region the U.S. Embassy in Israel insisted that the comments had been taken out of context by the states making the complaint yeah I mean and since Huckabee has tried to, well, one, blame Tucker Carlson for the interview, which I'm still shocked he sat down to do it. But then also he's trying to say it was taken out of context. And, you know, that's he ultimately is the one who can't make these decisions. These decisions fall under President Trump. Am I shocked that he said I'm shocked he did the interview, but am I shocked that within the interview that this is his stance? No. This is a man who, prior to taking the role that he did as ambassador to Israel, talked about Palestinians, well, didn't acknowledge them, says that's a term we shouldn't even use. So he doesn't look at these people as human. He is not just a Zionist. He is a Baptist pastor, ultra-conservative, and has said multiple times that even when he refers to the West Bank, he refers to it in terms of Judea and Samaria. That's the way that he speaks of it in biblical terms. So it's not shocking to me that he would say that he would make this comment that he believes that Israel has the right to take over everything because he's saying he's he's saying that that's what the Bible says. So I'm not shocked by it. Like this is who Mike Huckabee is. This was and I mean, I guess in the bigger sense, maybe other people might be surprised to hear him say something like this. And maybe it brings up the whole conversation of are we are our politicians or politicians making these decisions or with power putting Israel first over America first? I guess it brings that into question because it's like, are you being more loyal to Israel based on your religion versus this country? It feels like that in a lot of the things that he was saying in this interview and that he said prior. so I think that that in 2026 is not as popular as it might have been in 1996 so I watched the whole thing and the interview was then Pierce Morgan says when somebody says something wrong Pierce Morgan goes I want to just catch you up on that sometimes British people say stuff in ways that's slightly cool well because yeah they're like dry humor sarcastic I just mean the way that it's actually said like I want to catch you up yeah when someone says I want to catch you up on that or when someone taking the piss I like taking the piss are you taking the piss? you know what that means? going to the bathroom? no does anybody know what that means when British people say it? Donnie? I take it as like taking the piss out of something like you're taking the piss out of the conversation no that's not what it means it means like are you joking? say it again So, what's the phrase? Taking the piss. Oh. It means, are you joking? It's like, it's such a funny, stupid way to say that though. It's like, are you kidding? So, what are you eating, Jay? Oh, grapefruit, you nasty. So like, what is disgusting? I love grapefruit. Buss open a grapefruit and eat that bitch. And she eating the white part on the top of it? You are eating the white part. She's feeling it like an orange. Same thing that happens. She's eating the white part. The pulp. It smells good. I can smell it for you. Yeah, it smells good. Grapefruit is terrible. It sucks. It's a terrible fruit to eat. So good. And good for you. Can I tell you something? Grapefruit to me. I got to get back on topic here. So when they say take the piss, they mean that you're joking. So I like that. I like that. This whole interview was Carlson catching Mike Huckabee up or them trying to catch each other up because there was some type of back and forth that they had had before this. Yeah, on social. Yeah, on social where basically they was like, yo, man, come do the interview. We could talk about it. So Tucker and his people flew into Tel Aviv. I don't know where. They flew into Israel to do the interview. So it's interesting. So that is the U.S. ambassador to Israel. This is the interesting thing about it to me. That's the U.S. ambassador to Israel. That is an official American diplomat. This is what MAGA Trumpism has done. That is an official American diplomat. That is an American diplomat. That's not the deputy undersecretary's assistant to whomever. That's not a contractor that works directly with the State Department. That is an American diplomat saying out loud on mic that it would be OK if a country completely conquers all of its neighbors. And then kind of not understanding. The backlash and response to that, that shows to me the disintegration. disintegration of the word the standing the statement and the intelligentsia of American foreign relations because the president says asshat shit like Canada should be the 51st state all the time or the president says he wants to invade and take over Greenland which it would theoretically invoke Article 5 and make the rest of the NATO nations have to attack us? Like, it's so, like, all of those things just show the fact that, like, there's been this real disintegration of the seriousness of American discussion of domestic and foreign events because if you are Saudi Arabia don't you have to be like if you, this is so it's such a bone headed if you're Saudi Arabia, Turkey any of these countries, don't you have to go no, yeah we don't want to be taken over by Israel just like you guys know and we're going to fight if that's the case and the Americans shouldn't be saying that all might to people, Tucker fucking worked, Mike Huckabee for two and a half hours and it wasn't in any way shape or form a fair fight I am in no way guys because even in the article Tucker in the interview Tucker says all kinds of shit that to me I fucking hate there's so many things that Tucker Carlson says that I hate that I've always hated but I tell you what if you go on there and you have that conversation you have be you have better be ready to have your worldview completely unfurled to the basis of its origin i don't think he cared because for Mike Huckabee, it is, as he said, he said it'd be fine if they took it all, but he's like, but that's not what we're talking about here. I don't want to take it over. They're not asking to take it over, but you're saying, but if they wanted to, you'd believe that that would be their right. And he would say yes, because biblically it is. I think he doesn't want to be seen any different. That is his worldview. his worldview is rooted in what he believes the religion to be the only problem with that that's fine the only problem with that is that he's an ambassador which means that his worldview he doesn't get to talk and think and go yeah I think that Israel should be able to dominate and take over the entire region which by the way if we really look at it if we go to war with Iran there is fighting in Lebanon you can make an argument that this is a goal that is being endeavored into by this current Israeli government that they are fighting multi-front wars all over the region and a lot of those wars are to destabilize parts of the Middle East so that they can expand territory when he's so if you look at the plight of the Palestinian people as a cultural dispute, right, as a human rights issue. That's one thing. Cultural dispute between two different peoples over land. If you look at it as domination from a foreign power on people who have less power and don't have a big brother like the United States, that's one way to look at it. But if you look at it in a completely different way, which is if you look at it in a way that paints Israel as an expansionist power that is seeking to expand its borders, not just there but into southern Lebanon all over the place and what the parts of the Israeli government might think is their land by right of God then you look at a situation where just politically politically anyone with that world view is destabilizing that means that you have to overthrow Iran that means that you have to engage in forever wars and that means that you're going to need somebody to fund it and the people that fund it are us so if in fact the ambassador to Israel is saying it will be fine if this country and the United States of America establish direct hegemony over the entire region by making one gigantic country that would then become like this mega country that's weird it must be weird for the Saudis, all the work that they've done to be up under Trump and some of these other countries, all the work that they've done, you know, some of these nations are Abraham coordinations, all the work that they've done to kind of calm things down and then to have Mike Huckabee say the quiet thing out loud like that, that must have been awkward. I mean, I feel like Huckabee when we've talked about it was chosen for a reason. Hucks. The U.S. Embassy in Israel insisted the comments have been taken out of context by the states making the complaint. I don't see how that's possible. It is true that Mike Huckabee said that he didn't think that the Israelis would do that. And they don't want to. And that they don't want to, but he also said he would be fined with it. And he also said he doesn't have the power to. That's a Trump thing. Power to what? To make his beliefs come true. Right. So he threw that out there as well. But as you said, quiet part out loud, I don't know. Tucker tried to catch him up on that as well. Tucker talked about a bunch of different things. Either you believe some of this stuff or you don't believe it. Either you've done some of the work or you don't believe it. Once again, yes, whatever. It's not a situation where I'm ever going to start praising Tucker Carlson to the degree that a lot of people did. A lot of stuff in this, Tucker Carlson was able to directly put Mike Huckabee on Front Street and confront him over some beliefs because some of these beliefs are rooted in not policy or politics or what's good for the global community, but in this sort of evangelist Christian Zionist view of the world that doesn't think about anything else but the second coming of Christ and all that type of stuff. I don't know about Mexico. I don't know that much about it. I'll try to watch some videos. It's going down. It's, yeah. Oh, Trump. We didn't even get to Trump. Do we want to talk about him? Trump and Warner Brothers? I mean, he's doing it again. I guess this time he's doing it again where he's telling a network what they need to do and how they need to fall in line. But this time, of course, he's also back to his regularly scheduled program by going after a black woman. Susan Rice. the only black person on the board at Netflix but not a whole lot to it Netflix should fire racist Trump deranged Susan Rice immediately will pay the consequences she's got no talent or skills purely a political hack her power is gone and will never be back how much is she being paid and for what? thanks for the insistence Donald Trump you know what I would do if I was Susan Rice? I would post pictures of me with white people whites? to show that I'm not racist because that's what he called you a racist. And when Trump was called a racist, he did a collage, a reel of all the black people that he's been connected to, famous black people mainly, that he's been connected to over the years to prove how not racist he is. Or as his press secretary talks about, he has black friends. If I were her, I'd do the same thing. I'm not racist. I have white friends. Can I be real with you on that? That was effective to me. To who? it was just an effective thing to do let me tell you why I was effective in my opinion it doesn't change the way I feel about Donald Trump it doesn't change the way anybody who has done to me if you have racial self-esteem and you have a black consciousness it probably wouldn't change the way you feel about Donald Trump but it exposes something that's deeper right and what he exposed is that whether or not Donald Trump was a racist in the 80s and the 90s whether or not he wrote what he wrote about the exonerated five he was sued for housing discrimination in the 70s and all of that stuff none of that stuff stopped some element some part black people in America from being around Donald Trump and the reason is is that they weren't being around Donald Trump because Donald Trump liked or loved black people they were being around Donald Trump because he was rich and we can talk as much as we want about our allegiance to ourselves our allegiance to our culture our allegiance to our ancestors our allegiance to blah blah blah blah blah we care about each other if our allegiance is to money if our allegiance is to capitalism if our allegiance is to the guy who can produce the things so that we can do the deal then I'm telling you we will fail that is not going to happen there's not going to be anyone who has a lot of money we see that now can't stop people from going on to Aiden Ross man I saw Bud and Shakur criticize racism while talking to Aiden Ross now either Bud and Shakur who are two guys that I love I'm not a bigger boxing fan of any two guys fighting right now than I am of Terrence Crawford, who is one of the most deadly and efficient boxers I've ever seen. You've almost never seen anyone like him. And Shakur Stevenson, who just put on a master class against TfM Lopez. But they legitimately criticize racism in front of the guy. What we do here at Spotify. we're at spotify we're at spotify it's big corporate situation all of this stuff like where i am in no way not a part of this we talked about this with jamelle but what i'm saying is the reason why trump can produce all of that the reason why mike tyson is still like i left donald trump the reason why herschel walker and all of these guys that have been around Trump for a long time is because there was something in it for them because Trump had access Trump had money, and Trump had power. So if we are fighting against or fighting for a sense of ourselves or a sense of community or a sense of us, we are eventually going to have to litigate how that can be purchased and bought and then leveraged against us at the right time. And not just with people like Donald Trump, with people within our own community as well. We have to look at our relationship to capital and ask the questions about whether or not it serves us. So when he did that, I'm like, yeah, it's bullshit. But at the same time, that's effective. Because if you can put yourself next to some of the most important black men in history, there are going to be smooth brains that ask the question, just how racist can you be? And the reason why those guys were around all of the men by the way most of them the vast majority of them although you might find oprah in there somewhere the reason why they were around is because donald trump was very rich yeah i think though i don't know if it was effective i think those people that you're talking about who would have accepted that would have already defended them but what those people would have already said he wasn't right did mike what mike tyson did mike tyson no i'm saying those people who would look at that post and say oh, yeah, Trump can't be racist. Those people would have said that prior to that. That's my point, I think. Scott Galloway. You like Scott Galloway? Professor Galloway? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I don't see much of him. I see clips sometimes, his thing with Carl Swisher, or they have a podcast together. Pivot, right? Yeah. Shout out to Carl Swisher. But I'm not, like, well-versed in Scott Galloway. I'm not, like, taking in his content like that. but I'm aware of who he is. He cares about the young men. That's good. He's, he's, uh, he's into the young men and thinking about them. Okay. Like I am thinking about their loneliness, their problems. And he said something that got a lot of people thinking it's about Ella Beyonce. Did you see this clip? Play it. The reality is 75% of women say economic viability is important in a mate, it's only 25% of men, right? Beyonce could work at McDonald's and marry Jay-Z. The opposite is not true. You will be disproportionately evaluated based on your economic viability. Figure out how to make money. Now, I have been probably addicted to it, and people have pointed out online that I see everything through the lens of money. I grew up without money, so it's always been important to me, probably too important. But I stand by the fact that as a man, if you are not economically viable, your self-esteem, your place in society, in a capitalist society, your ability to find a mate is going to be severely diminished. So we want to get a, and the best way to start making, to make a lot of money is start making a little bit of money. I coach a lot of young men. I'm like, if you have a smartphone, you can make money. Tomorrow we're going to start. I don't care if you need to be a Lyft driver, Uber driver, task grabber, go into Panera Bread where they're desperate for people and they start them at 18 bucks an hour. But once you start making a little bit of money, you're going to realize how wonderful it is. You're going to start figuring out the marketplace, but you need to get out and make money. You need to be a provider. First leg of a stool. What was I understand exactly what he's saying. What was I mean, like, did you think I would have a different opinion? No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, what was I guess, like, really interesting to you about this clip? Because I think that most people would agree with what he's saying. Hell nah. People was pushing back like crazy. By the way, we just got they're giving away the Image Award tomorrow on YouTube. Tuesday, February 24th. If you go to the YouTube channel, NAACP Image Awards YouTube, they're going to announce all the winners. I don't know if the voting is closed. I'm assuming that it is. It's closed. It's closed. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Tuesday, February 24th. Tuesday. It says, good look. Shout out to Stephanie. A lot of people said that that wasn't true. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with Galloway's reputation as well as centering men in all of these conversations they don't like when he does that they don't like them they said fuck him i mean i'm not as familiar with i guess his crusade of centering men because is what people saying but i think that because of the system that exists in regards to the patriarchy it now if you're asking me like do i feel bad no because this is a system that has been created by men and now that it's 2026 and women aren't the same as they were when this system was created and women are making more money and they are they have um better jobs at times than men that i understand how the the roles that the traditional roles that existed might be confusing. And I think that things are turned upside down on their head. But I that is a system they're falling. I don't want to say victim, but they're I guess it's a consequence of the very system that you created. So I just I agree with what he's saying because of the traditional roles that exist within it. I do think there's an expectation of men. And I think that expectation comes from the patriarchy. Yeah. I mean, for me, I don't think what he said was controversial at all. I don't think either. I just don't feel sorry. I don't think anybody feels sorry. I wouldn't, like, if you were asking, like, oh, shit, I feel, because I was having this conversation with someone when I saw this clip. And it's like if you're asking me to feel bad for men because there is this expectation, I don't feel that. But what I do feel is if I'm with a man who or it's a friend, maybe even who might feel this way because of this system and feels like that there's they don't feel confident in themselves because they aren't economically viable. as he talks about this, then I wouldn't shun that man away or I would be open and understanding that, yeah, like this is the system that exists and women don't operate the same way like they used to when this was created. And I understand and hold space that you may feel that way, but I don't feel bad for you. But I think it would be wrong to dismiss a man who doesn't feel as secure because they're not economically viable. I think that would be wrong of me to do. I wouldn't dismiss the feeling because I do understand it exists. But I also understand why it exists. So I think that that is the price of patriarchy. Yeah, I agree. It's a consequence. I think that's the no. When I say consequence, it's not a I think it's the price. When I say price, I mean patriarchy. A lot of times when we criticize patriarchy, we're criticizing patriarchy in people who aren't qualified to patriarchy. So you can qualify to patriarchy. And when you qualify for it, people have a lot less of a problem with it when you do it. So what I mean is like if. So tell you what. Let me tell you what I mean. when a bum ass nigga thinks that just because he is male that he gets the same right to dictate things high value when a bum ass nigga thinks that just because he is male that he gets the same rights to dictate things as a rich guy does it seems like sometimes people have a specific problem with that They go, well, you know, you you can't do this. You can't do that. You can't. These aren't conversations for you. Right. That is interesting, but it's actually not a criticism of patriarchy. Patriarchy is wrong no matter what. What does it? It's oriented in a society. It's power structure around a man. Now, there is another method of thought that you could endeavor into. that says, for example, I'll use my father. I always talk about these great lessons that my father gave me. There's another lesson that my father gave me. It's like me and my father are starting to buck heads. I'm getting to be big man. Is it buck heads or butt heads? We're bucking horns. Bucking horns we're butting heads. Me and my father are butting heads, right? And I tell my dad, I say, I'm a man. My dad says, 17. my dad goes you're not a man I'm like why am I not a man my dad goes because a man doesn't take care of another man so you're not a man when you can take care of yourself then you are a man so you have to achieve something economically to be a man now back in the day or in other cultures that wasn't like that there was a rite of passage for you to become a man to enter into manhood, into whatever organization, tribe, village, whatever you're in. And those things normally had to do with things that you could then capably do at that age, whether or not you could capably survive this thing or capably do this or capably do all that. There are things that you had to do to access your manhood, but it didn't have anything to do with whether or not you owned a tree, whether or not you owned anything. I remember talking to him about that after we calmed down. I asked him, I go, you know, when you've talked about manhood to me before, you said that a manhood manhood was about protection. That's what my dad would say. My dad would say, hey, when somebody walk when you walk in the room, people should be like, yo, Vans here. Like we feel a little bit better. We feel safer. Manhood is about responsibility, who you can protect, who you can do all of that stuff. And I'm like, is it about protection or is it about my ability to take care of myself? And my dad goes, a man doesn't protect another man. so like a man doesn't protect another man if you are a man you are self-sufficient economically you are self-sufficient in terms of protection dad was wrong yeah okay and love him to death uh time they grew up yeah like dad dad was wrong love him to death love him to death that was just simply wrong now here's the deal the way our society is oriented the more stuff you can pay for the more you can decide what it is that we're going think about this degender this if you are with your friends and y'all all going to dinner and y'all can't decide where to go if one of your friends went I'm a pay for the dinner but if we go to this one place everybody's probably going to go yes if you are treating us you can decide where we go if you're treating us you can decide there's a part of the patriarchy that we talk about that exists that is I mean it's all bad but there's a part of it that is sort of what's the word? It's either understood or accepted for rich guys. For rich guys. Rich guys that are seen as valuable. Something that is seen as dominant. Something that is seen as worthy. Something that is seen as rare. Because you're rare if you can provide for everyone. You're rare if you can not just money, but jobs, opportunity, power, all of that stuff. The fact that we acquiesce to that reinforces patriarchy. Of course. And so like to me, I don't have a problem with Scott saying because it's just real. Right. Yes, it's the system. There's also one other thing. And I want to ask you about this. Are you changing the subject? No, no, no. It's the same thing. OK. Because I was going to say something else. Oh, go for it. Well, no, no, no, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. all right can we talk about this jay women out there that i listen to the sound of my sound of my voice can we talk about something what okay can we talk about the fact that a lot of times when women say that they're attracted to women to men with money that they're not lying that their pussy really gets wet for these guys like that there is something like so there's something else yes because having money is an attractive trait so like being handsome is an attractive trait like being funny is an attractive trait so sometimes people are like reluctant to talk about the fact that though they see women with guys who are not because men and women have they're oriented different ways they see women with guys who other guys it's always funny when guys who are supposed to be completely oblivious to each other each other's beauty to when they see a guy who they think is ugly but rich you're not you're both not supposed to be able to look at a man and be like hey that nigga's beautiful but you know when he's too ugly to be with the girl that he is with right it's very funny the way all of this stuff is oriented But when they see that, they go, she's just with him for money. Not always and not a lot there. The fact that this guy is powerful or that he means something or that he's got bread. Women are legitimately attracted to that. But that seems to be something because we call a lot of people gold diggers. but they might they're not gold diggers in every sense there are women that are attracted to guys with means and they're really attracted to them yeah i think gold digger i mean i agree i think gold digger comes from if you only are like like scram get away from me you know like this is the only thing that i want so like if that's your only focus then i think that's where gold digger comes, but if you are attracted to someone with money, because, and let me just be clear, money, it does provide a sense of security in a sense that, like you say, like people, like women want to be with money, I mean men with money, because it shows that they're automatically a provider. It gives the financial safety, but it doesn't necessarily mean, because we've talked about this before, right? As a woman, I want to feel safe financially, emotionally, and physically. Just because you have money doesn't mean all those three things are satisfied. This is where it comes to, it depends on, and Jade, you can jump in here, it depends on what you as a woman want from a man. Some women just want financial security, and they're fine with that, which is why they might be fine with their husbands not providing to them emotionally, and their husbands might do other things. It's a give and a take, right? But for me, maybe I might prioritize feeling safe emotionally or physically. So then the financial side isn't as big of a deal for me, which is why this is what I was going to say to the first part of what you were saying, why it's a problem that masculine that masculinity. And Scott talks about this is defined in one way, because you might be a house husband and you might take care of the kids and you might do all these things. and it might give me the privilege to live the life that I want and you're providing me safety emotionally and physically for me, my children, the family, does that make you less of a man? I'm arguing no. I think that's very manly. If you're secure in that and that's what you want to do, that's not less of a man. But the man's got to feel comfortable doing that too. It can't be like by default. Like if the man is happy doing that and that's what they want to do and they're providing safety to you and security to you in those ways, that is extremely manly to me as well. And so, like, I don't want to say I – we always go back and forth in this at times because I do agree with you. I hate to generalize because I think that it also depends where you are in your life. When I was in my 20s, this is not how I talked. As I got into my 30s and now 40, I talk a completely different way because my situation is different. I'm different. man you know what i want i wish everybody could just do what make them happy man yeah boy y'all don't if y'all don't take one i just wish that everybody could just do what make what makes them happy man i agree if you are happy with a man that takes care of everything and you don't mind you know taking care of the domestic responsibilities and if a man is able to call you and be like hey you know who's gonna keep and you like that cool if you are happy being a house husband you know doing the laundry woman come home tell you nigga get the fuck up off the couch and go do something and you okay with that you know woman come home and say hey nigga like come here rub my fancy see what I'm doing it just I just wish I just wish that everybody could be okay with that and that's Scott's point is like because of the system that we live in most people are not going to feel secure people men are not going to be secure like that or women aren't going to feel secure like that or look at a man as manly because of the system that we live in well i i think scott's greater i think the way i read scott's point was that you can't be attractive if you're broke not really now i was i didn't read it that way well i mean he he what he said was that men and women look for different things differently first of all scott kind of called jay-z chopped kind of called say ho was ugly a little bit whatever uh he kind of did all right because from women that i know that have known jay-z they've said there are a lot attractive things about jay-z they don't have anything to do with money jay-z's funny jay-z's charismatic jay-z's probably the guy that like always knows how to make a joke i don't know him very well but a lot of women have been around like this is an attractive guy like what i mean Scott boils it down to money and is also incredibly talented which also matters Scott boils it down to money and looks he boils it down to looks so he's basically saying Scott saying that about but you know I guess attractiveness and what is attractive is both a personal thing but it's also a societal thing as well I agree. So it's also like we set a beauty standard. And then if you run afoul of that beauty standard, then people go, hey, you're not in line with the beauty standard. Get back into it. So all of these things are decisions that we make for ourselves individually, but also we make them as a society. Do you think, though, when you say attractive and it's a personal thing, what's attractive for a man is not necessarily what's attractive for a woman? Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's funny. Because women will say, like, maybe money, career, humor, looks, all those things, intellect. I don't know if a man would say that all those things are attractive to a woman. I got to tell you, just because, you know, in the course of my friendships with women, I've been a part of a lot of conversations where we've been sitting around as guys talking to a girl being like, you really like that nigga. As a man, we have never had that conversation. The conversation we've had is you really wiped her. we've never had a conversation about whether or not she is pretty or not we've never had that conversation women are so beautifully complicated in what they find attractive they're really open to more shit they're really open to more shit they're open to more shit but I will say the higher you go up on the rare level of man the more shit you can do the more mistakes you can make absolutely the more shit you can say if you pay for the boat you can come out there and be like hey everybody get in the water right now you don't like getting in the water get in the water but you let you have not paid for the boat you let yourself be a passenger on the boat you let a nigga who's a passenger of the boat come into the room and go everybody in the water right now you don't like getting this nigga think yeah anyway um so you have a problem with scott i thought i was gonna get more out of you out of that no you're just you're so rachel you always zag what do you mean you zag so i'm not predictable not predictable rachel's not predictable yeah i wasn't triggered by this at all because i i understand the system i thought you would have had a problem with me saying i don't feel sorry for men because of this i'm a man like i operate it's funny because like the flip out that happened the flip out that happened is me projecting myself onto the old me like that's what happened the flip out that happened was me thinking about everything that had to happen like for me to come out here i had to leave my entire family you know nigga had to ride the bus nigga had to work at tmz and he had to work like gave away my whole 30s 13 hours a day dealing with all of that stuff like I had to go through a lot to play a lot of basketball eat a lot of kale to lose weight I had to go through a lot to be someone that people considered viable it was difficult it was very hard so a lot of times I think about just the lives of young men that I know that don't have the opportunity to do that they can't leave their home like they might not have it to be able to do it so what happens to them like i think about all the dudes that like got shot up and got fucked up and all that stuff is there just like somebody to love them and somebody to care about them are there jobs for them is there a place for them or do they have to like chase michael jordan to jay-z dreams and die trying do they have to like you know go out there and take all of these chances like do we make like how do i as a man make a world for men that are interested in being human beings before they're interested in being men like how do you like how do i do that and the one way i do it when i can in artfully and all and fucked up sometimes is just sometimes and this is so and the ladies about to roll their eyes is sometimes to try to convince people that like men are also human beings that they're also because you think you have to convince us of that no because what i think though is that maybe, maybe, what I think though is that like, and you sound so white when you get into this bag, which is the problem. What I think is that like, when I think of some of the stuff that was given to me, like, hey, you need to get some pussy by the time you're 16. Like, hey, when somebody looks at you, if they stare too long, ask them what the fuck is up. Like, somebody look at you too long, they're looking at you too long, don't look at me like you want it nigga what's happening like when i think about all the stuff that had to come between me and just like being a person i'm like god damn bro it would be better off for everyone if we could take some of those things away and those things aren't things that necessarily have to do with women but i will say there are parts of them that women respond to sure i'll give you that and so like when i'm having trying to have a conversation i just want these boys to be able to cry and be sad and not take it out on somebody and just like be people. But we just we can't get there. Yeah, that's why I said at the beginning of this conversation, we were talking about it. I said, I don't feel sorry that the way the system is set up, that it's a consequence for men who aren't economically viable. But I understand why you may feel that way because of the system. And I feel like it is my responsibility to at least honor that that you would feel like allow you to feel that way and not tell you well you just need to suck it up and fucking get a job like i wouldn't do that that does not allow that would that would be to your point me not treating you like a human being but i do treat men like human beings yeah i think you do come around no no no i like i i think you like it's not up to me first of all the first thing we have to do is the same conversation that you have with white people right And this is why it makes you feel white when you're having a conversation. The first thing you have to do, I write this in my fabulous sub stack from this week is, you know, on Eric Killmonger, fabulous sub stack. You guys should watch it. The first thing you have to do is, like, you can't moralize with white supremacy because white supremacy is immoral. So if you're asking white people or excuse me, if you're asking white supremacy to, like, not hurt you and you're moralizing, then it's a fool's errand. You can't do it. And a lot of times you're talking to men. You think that you're talking to men. You think that you're talking to people with all of these ideas, but you're really talking to patriarchy. So the first thing you have to do is like educate an understanding of that system and then say, hey. We don't want to be this thing. We want to be human. The want is what I think sometimes I have a problem creating value for. because I'll listen to, I'll talk to a lot of young men and they'll be like, I'm a leader. And I'm like, you're not a leader. Okay. Like you're not a leader. Like you're, you're, you're not a leader. Like, do you feel like you should be a leader? Switch leader with protector. If you protect people, you are a leader by default. People think that being a leader, we got to go. People think that being a leader is like telling people what to do and people, if you protect them, they'll follow you no matter what so just think about living in protection of people if you think about yourself as a protector then people will look to you okay it's safe where he goes let's go where he goes let's go where she goes let's go where they go let's go where them go they them everyone's included all right we gotta go um uh we need another plan that was not gonna work i'm sorry it's gonna be people that the people gonna listen we gave you a good two two hours and ten minutes people gonna listen they're gonna be mad at us rachel i said what i said oh shit i you know i'm all i'm open to hear i'm open to constructive criticism believe it or not i am but i'm just not gonna listen to non-black people tell me how to feel. I'm just not. About, even about? About blackness. About something that impacts black people. I'm not going to I would never tell them how they should feel when they're offended. My mind doesn't even think that. I could never imagine telling somebody, a Jewish person how they should feel about being offended when somebody calls them a derogatory name or a Latino person. I just want to be like, well, you really should think about it in this way. Can we have... Can we have... To the audience and to Rachel, can we have three more minutes of podcast? Yeah. We do that all time. All the time. We have to do it. We have to do it. We do it all the time. Okay, I'm being very specific. You're being more general. So that's why I don't want to get it. I said calls them something. I'm not talking about it in a bigger sense. I'm saying if somebody calls me, if because what I said earlier, I said, I do not believe this man is racist. But what he said was racism. It that word is about racism. That word is triggering. So I'm saying I would never. So I'm not accepting a non black person telling me how I should feel in that regard. that specific with racism with with racism with slurs yeah i know where you're going with it which is why and as soon as i said that and maybe we should take that out like as soon as i said that when i said i wouldn't tell the jewish person i know where you're going with it that's not i'm not talking about it in that sense i'm talking about it as like them being offended specifically as a jewish person yeah or as any anti-semitic thing right like my my i want to be open to the fact that we negotiate words like we negotiate nigga we negotiate bitch we negotiate i see niggas all the time niggas all the time i see niggas all the time having conversation with women and going man you bitches do this and the women are like i'm like god damn okay well if they're good with it if it's fine for them it's good for them it's fine for me like if you like it i love it like you know i never thought that that would be allowed, but apparently it's allowed in the rap music, the rap songs, the rap ditties. But yeah, we don't have to beat that into the ground. That's not going to work. What do y'all think about the new studio? How do you feel? How do you feel about it? I love it. Smells new. I said it before. I was like, you weren't here. I was like, it looks sexy. Yeah. So, I mean, there's no signage. Is there a higher learning? So we're going to add on to it. We're brand new. This is the only studio that's really up and going right now in this new space. so they got us going first so I feel special this is very warm Chris lit it Chris is like one of the greatest DPs in the entire world Chris lit it, it looks very warm it does look like we're coming to you live from Ikea no, they said we could add our stuff in like where are we going to put higher learning we have our little knickknacks they brought them they brought Hootnanny Hootnanny's around, Hootnanny's going to be here we put them up here maybe we should also put like you know what everybody tell us what you guys want to put on the walls we gotta put some on the walls up here put some on the walls we'll talk about that later take the caps off do not stop I'm Rachel Lynn Lindsay bye guys bye guys