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Now the shotgun starting golf is full of mathematics. There's a lot of setup work that we have to do in order to make a tournament work. So I'm going to demonstrate to you just exactly how we do a shotgun start here. And here we go. Alright, alright, alright. Gentlemen! Start your engine! Greetings and welcome to a Friday edition of the Shotgun Start. It is May 1st. Andy, how are we doing? Brandon! What a great day. First of the month recording. I mean, all kinds of stuff is happening. Sorry for the echo-y recording here. I'm in a very empty house. You're in an empty house, yeah? What's going on? Is something happening? You've got people picking up desks on your front lawn. You've got garage sales and now you have an empty house. Is something happening? If I'm putting liquid in. We're moving out of the house. Okay, alright, alright. Are you live? Are you like live? You just, everything must go. We're done. We're trying to find new structure, new management. Because you just had, you know, somebody leave you. The funds left. What's going on here? Yeah, we got a new chairman of the board. We are looking at a fellow named Eugene Davis potentially coming in. Look at Eugene. Gene in some parts, Eugene in others. Depends on what brand he's trying to shepherd through. It's bankruptcy. It feels like, or struggle. It's so it works. So it's a first of the month recording. We're very excited. Less excited to live. I suspect as for the second straight week, it's sort of an avalanche of sudden change, unexpected change. I think, you know, they were always dancing on the razor's edge of, will the Saudis lose interest? Will Yasser lose power as this is his baby? Will? Like we are sort of beholden. There aren't a lot of guardrails here. They're well financed, but they could lose interest and this could just go away. Peers, the public investment fund has lost interest. Yasser is going away and live is going to cease to exist as it has been constructed. I think, you know, it may cling to life, cling to the barricade of an article of some ship somewhere and proceed sailing along in some form or fashion, but another avalanche of news came Wednesday night. It was one of those like, normie news moments where I had parents at Youth Basketball like big day? Huh? I was like, is it? It's kind of the same stuff we got last week? This sort of made it, I suppose, more official? There was a Wall Street Journal report from Andrew Beaton late Wednesday, maybe about five o'clock that said the PIF is going to formally announce and tell its its people at live that they're done. The players are going to find out. Brian Rollap was on the record in the Wall Street Journal talking to Andrew Beaton in that article saying, look, you know, there's scar tissue here. It's not with me, but with the PGA tour, some interesting comments. So we get that article about five o'clock. We then get from Josh Carpenter a little later that Yasser Alramayan is stepping down as the chairman of live, getting out of live. It seems just to be washing hands. Which would go part and parcel with the PIF no longer being involved with live. Even though Yasser, this was Yasser's baby. It was his pet project. So he's out. We have Joel Beal reporting then shortly after from golf digest, you know, that it's not going to be a smooth ride back to the PGA tour for even the biggest names. John, Ron, Bryson, DeShambo are not going to get the Brooks Kepke, a returning member deal or the Patrick Reed deal. Those are the early reports out of the tour side of things or tour source, tour POV side of things. You've got a cavalcade of other reports that, you know, as the ship goes down, they're, you know, figuratively players jumping over the railing, looking for the DP world tour, looking for the PGA tour, some sort of raft, a lot of outreach going on out there by agents and others who may have led their, you know, players into live in the first place. We've got a live then coming Friday morning or Thursday morning as of this recording, a live, finally a live public statement and announcement. The substantial investment required by live, this is from the PIF, required by live golf over a longer term is no longer consistent with the current phase of PIF's investment strategy. The decision has been made in light of PIF's investment priorities and current macro dynamics that is from the athletic and Gabby, Herzig and Brodie Miller, a report it's no longer consistent with the current phase of PIF's investment strategy that is from the athletic. We then get the report, the Jean Dean, Mean Jean, Dean, Jean Davis, I should say, comes into our world. We get the statement from live. So this is all official out in the open, live golf comma, the global golf league blending world-class competition with entertainment and culture to grow the game worldwide. Today announced a new board appointments as the league focuses on securing long-term financial partners to support its transition from a foundational launch phase to a diversified multi-partner investment model. Gobbly Goek has never found a more dictionary definition than that first paragraph, multi-partner investment model. So they announced Jean Davis and John Zinman, Yasser out, Jean and John in, seasoned experts with proven track records of navigating complex situations. Navigating complex situations is a euphemism for absolute shitstorm. That's just what it means. That's what navigating complex situations and unlocking value for global organizations to guide the league through its next phase. They will be working a lockstep with management and are focused on institutionalizing the league and evaluating a range of strategic options that have emerged with the league's rise. So that's sort of the tick-tock over the last 24 hours as of this recording. Stuff may happen. Strategic options that have emerged since the league arrived is quite an interesting question. What strategic options do you think have arised? Are left? Seems like there's one road left. It's find a new investor, find a new sugar daddy, and dramatically change the league. But it's fascinating to hear the spin of, in a way, to me, that over the last four years that it's existed, probably have lost strategic options. They haven't arisen. They've fallen by the wayside every year. They're down bad right now. They're down bad right now. Virginia's next week, Trump-Virginia. There's maybe a question that might not happen. Possible. It could, in theory. It does feel like these guys, though, more sensibly will probably pay continue to play for $25 million per se. There's however many events left, seven events this year. There's a lot of grave dancing going on here and a lot of live loyalist dug in. Part of the whole issue with this thing is criticism of live doesn't mean you're pro-PGA tour. You can just be sensible. You could have scrutiny about all these things. Being a fan of a league is always a bad deal to me. Why do you love live? You could like Rahm, I guess, or Bryson, or whoever. Scott Vincent. I think what's happening with live is it's not the craziest thing, even if it's happening on a timeline that maybe wasn't expected two months ago or three months ago or even maybe at the Masters. This was always a distinct possibility that this would happen. Maybe all the outcry and support of live is coming from Oklahoma. The Oklahoma GC. Oklahoma is having a franchise ripped away from them. They never were. It was only a press release and six events, whatever. They'll always have that era. People say- It'll be like the KD SuperSonics era. How much- Right. The one tease of a year. Was it more than a year or just one? I think it was one year. One year. The team already announced it was moving. They landed generational star. God, I know everyone's down on OKC right now. Because they have a dirty-ass player. I just watched that compilation of Shay doing this, that, and the other. It's hard not to be just disgusted and turned off by the whole situation. I know that when you're the best, there's just going to be haters. In your winning, there's going to be haters. But it feels pretty objectively wrong, quite frankly. Anyways, maybe they could fall back on the OKC team as a sort of an outlet that doesn't have a lot of haters yet. Where do you think we go from here, Andy? There were rumors, reports that Bryson's been looking to get out maybe sooner before the season's over. John Rom was sort of stuck in this purgatory as a Legion 13 member. I think his decision to go certainly looks the most, from a golf perspective, I know he's much richer. As the most curious one, and people have thrown out, he has eight quotes of, I don't play for money, I play for history. He's on the record. I just got to start researching the European tour history. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. The tour has all the... It's crazy how close we were to almost a year ago, the PIF and live having a little bit of leverage, a seat at the table, doing this deal, going to the White House meeting, the framework agreement, maybe being consummated to almost like 13 months later, you're dead, you're out, you're gone, and no one having any leverage. If you were... Peppy, Peter, Mel, Nadi right now could dig his heels and say, like, hell no, we're not bringing anything. They have a lot of leverage right now. Is the tour better with Rom? Is the tour better with Bryson? Yes. But I think we've also seen the tour can be okay and just fine without Bryson, without Rom. I'm not saying it's best, but their leverage of your dead if I don't come back and play is not there. I don't think it matters that they play to the help of the... Yeah. You're seeing the ratings for the tour are pretty high, just across the board. Does Bryson... Say Bryson plays. Does he bring them another 200,000 viewers? No. No. There may be a curiosity bump for around, but it's not in the 200,000. So at a certain point, it's just whatever. You guys made your bed, go figure it out. Now, what you might be worried about, the only thing I would think about if I were the PGA tour is would we be afraid of Bryson potentially spinning up something of his own that could be pretty compelling and eat into our audience? Are you really scared of that at this point, based on what you've seen of competing products? I don't think you are, but I think of all the people that are our live players, he would be the one that has A, a platform that can sustain something, B, experience in the realm of creating a golf product. Some motivation. And I think C, the third point of this is I think Bryson could go out and raise capital for something. And so that would be my only concern. If I was a tour, it's like, yeah, we could make it... Let's make it hard for these guys to come back. Let's make it not just like a cakewalk, but let's also be fair. Do these people need to go into county jail for 60 days, for Peppy Peter and everybody on the tour feel great? I think a year suspension and... I think the funniest thing about this whole thing is the ROM European tour thing is that the most likely destination for ROM is he's going to be playing on the European tour next year, and that minimum events that he's just all bent out of shape about isn't going to be relevant. It's his whole tour. It's his whole professional golfing life, essentially. He likes to be in Scottsdale. It's like he's not trying to go to the checkmasters. I know he bought at least one new home through the live money. So that home's a little bit closer to Europe than Scottsdale. I think... ROM will do this story of my game had issues before the live thing. That has been his talking point, right? And that may be true. I had issues already happening and like, look, he struggled to make the cut, barely made the cut at the masters. It may be true, but would you think live is like the way, even if you had issues, live would be the preferred place to work out those issues, to get through those issues, to get back to being competitively sharp? Like, he's in the middle of his prime. Middle. Smack middle. And it's just staggering from the moment of that... That the... Letter jacket. Yeah. I was just thinking about it. I remember where I was. I was like on a run and I got those images came up. God. What a self-own. I tweeted last night, look, I think some of these agents, like, you know, let's call them, like GSE Worldwide, who one agent, another agent at Pioneers referred to them as human smugglers with the amount of people like, because look, they make a cut. They're getting a lot of cuts here. You know, the players get the money and they get the heat for going over. I think disruption is good. I think, you know, forcing the tour to get better is good. I think we've kind of criticized the tour more than any other place for about eight years now, as long as we've done this podcast. I think that's good. Trying to make golf better is good. I'm not totally convinced the tour is going to come out better on the other side. It seems like there's been some evolution in the product. But there were a lot of just people who were purely self-motivated by greed, not disruption, not innovation, not making something good. And a lot of those are some of these agents and a few of these, quite frankly, like media and network types who had nowhere, no home, it would have taken any kind of paycheck. And like, they were just, where's Arlo White fallen? I think had a steady job doing the soccer, I thought, but I could be wrong. There's just a lot of people who are motivated by the wrong things. And it seems like this is the great unwinding that's going to happen. I don't think, do you think it made any actual real impact on golf other than the purses on the PGA tour? And there was some evolution of the PGA tour. Is there any lasting impact that live golf has made? It had zero residence in terms of fandom and interest. Yeah. I think, I mean, the business, the whole business of the PGA tours fundamentally changed. I mean, the structure. Is it for better? I don't know if it's for better. Time will tell. But players are equity holders now. You have a for-profit entity. You obviously have the signature events. I think in general, this is the thing, this is part of the issue of it going away in a way is like, maybe the tour just says, we don't need to do any of this anymore. We can go back to our old model and old comfort. And I think the idea of getting to a place where the top players play this schedule and you kind of know what you expect when you turn on the TV is a great thing. And we'll see where they get. To me, this whole situation screams the tour maybe doesn't get all the way to where they want to get to because the big threat is done. One thing I wanted to get back to that you talked about with Ram, just in the heart of your competitive career, just the idea of like generally the mindset that you play your best golf in is when you're calm, when you don't have a lot of stuff on your mind, and when you don't have expectations or the feeling of needing to play great golf. And I think Ram for this era of live has gone into every major with the mindset of, I've got to prove these guys wrong. I have to, it's like you think about the press conference answers that he would give when people would suggest that he's not playing as well. He'd be like, you guys are saying that. I think I'm playing as well. And you just think about that as just such a bad mindset to play really high level golf from. And I think more so than the prep, the lead up, the lack of competition on live, I think the biggest detriment to him, and this is forever. I think a great question is, does John Rom ever win a major again? Because he's, he basically artificially created this huge mental burden that he has to get over. Because even when he comes back, it is going to be, you know, he wasted three years of his career, not just three years, three years in the prime of his career. And he's going to be battling this. It's like, I don't think this is that dissimilar to what Rory had to go through during his drought. Just how that affected Rory in year seven, six, seven, eight, or yeah, it starts to build. It actually gets worse and worse the longer the drought goes on. And you know, the reality is like him as he ages, you know, he's about 30 right now. But when he gets into the 34, 35, if he still has a one, he will see the end is coming. And that only is going to make it more difficult. And he's so talented, he could win the PGA, right? This is he's so talented, he is he can. But this is the type of stuff that happens to players and why when you go down the history of time, you'll look maybe at John Rom's major account and be like, huh? That's so surprising. I never would have thought. But I just the irreparable damage that he, John Rom incurred to his legacy and his ability to win on the biggest stages is something that I think is one of the most fascinating subplots coming out of all this fallout. Yeah, I think think about think about the way the world, the golf world held him a month before he left for live. Oh, what a great, you know, what a great historian of the game. He stands for all the right things. You know, he's he stood by, you know, he's just interested in winning golf tournaments. He's an all time great player is he might be the best Spanish player of all time. This is the stuff that we were talking about. And now three years later, he has done nothing of significance. Like the most significant moment I was he obviously crumbled at the Olympics. He, you know, that was a legit crumbling. He crumbled at the Olympics. The PGA had a finger on it and then let it go. But the most significant thing was him ending his windless drought on a tour that has legitimately 15 good players on it. I think what you're, where you're getting at right now, like how his legacy was this and then now it's that nice credit burden is like live was live was seriously funded but never but the decidedly unserious organization decidedly unserious attempt very seriously funded and just like kind of led to this sort of somebody like Ram felt like below him at right or below him as a competitor as a competitive golfer and these things that we wanted or thought or expected for him. You mentioned Bryson. He certainly seems like a target. If this were the garage sale, live garage sale to put it in your terms, there's a lot of interest in Bryson and Ram. Those items aren't going to be put on the curb at the end of the garage sale. Bryson, total wild card like you talked about guy might just start his own guy could do anything. He could do anything and he's got the exemptions via the US open for a while. Is there anything else, anyone else that you're like, all right, is this the live garage sales going on? You're going to, you're going to bid. All right. So think about the garage sale. When you got a garage sale going on, this is what I've learned. They don't go for the high ticket items. People aren't there to spend garage sale attendees. You're better off going to Facebook marketplace for your high ticket items. So immediately, Ram, Bryson, we'll put Pooch in there, Hatten, Neiman to an extent. Those guys are all kind of on the Facebook marketplace. So let's just take them and put them there. There will be eventually a landing spot for those players, you would think, if they pay the piper in some punishment. Yeah, yeah, there's kind of a few landing spot. Now you go to, like the next part of that is the free zone. So you have things that you know you're not going to sell. And if we go just through the player list, you get a lot of, you got Sam Horsefield. Nobody cares about Sam Horsefield. Nobody cares about Danny Lee. Nobody cares about Ben Campbell. Nobody cares about, nobody cares about Laurie Cantor. He could do it again. He'd go back. I mean, Laurie Cantor is actually one of the funniest names of here. Nobody cares about Lahiri. The senior tour might care about Dick Bland. Nobody cares about Camp Tringale. I will speak for the seniors. We do care about Dick Bland. We do. But I think in like your garage sale department, you've got names and I think, you know, some names will be treated differently. Like your Taylor Gooch, you know, the head of OKGC, the Sam Presti of Liv, he has, he's going to be treated poorly because he was such an asshole when he left. Such an antagonist. There's obviously the guys who are on the lawsuit. There's extra hard feelings for them as Brian Roelab stated. Yeah. And Talor, but we'll be in the crosshairs for that. You got a guy, like if you look at somebody like Carlos Ortiz, all right, like you're going to slap him with a penalty. And the thing about Carlos Ortiz is he's a bona fide good PGA tour player. So what's going to happen is he's going to have to earn his way up and he's going to do it quickly. Like that's going to happen. And that's going to happen with a lot of these guys. Me, Dean Burmeister is going to go back to being a menace on the DP World Tour, right? But like these are the names like that don't exist. Peter Uline, I don't know if he'll ever pro golf again because I don't see him going back to grinding it out on the on the on the corn fairy tour or a place that he could never get off of before. Bubba. I mean, an interesting name is like Tom Deetree. What do you do with Tom Deetree? Thomas Peters? Yeah. Anthony Kim. What about him? Do you think he's going to go grind? He has no status anywhere else in the world. No, nothing. Nothing. I mean, I could see him sticking on to whatever live becomes next year with with Zinman and Gene Dave, you know, whoever. Like you could see AK like persisting, tweeting about it. Here's a question. Do you think Westy and Polt's go straight to the legends tour? Stay Shore Tour? No, I think they probably have been paid after 30 year careers of pros, both on multiple tours. I would think they're going to show up at the senior majors and that's it. Like what does DJ do? Fish? Coach T-ball? Do you think his contract is resigning to get paid out? Is that guaranteed? I mean, there's all sorts of stuff. It doesn't seem like what are you going to do? Go to Muhammad bin Salman and say, hey, this contract goes into 27, 28. Yeah, it seems like a tricky, tricky spot for those guys. I mean, the fascinating names are the are some of the fascinating names are the people that would have been on the last bit of their career, effectively doing, you know, the Kobe tour of goodbyes for the last five years of their career. And I would throw Dustin Johnson, you know, instead of waving goodbye, Sergio Garcia would be flipping the bird on his way out everywhere. Did you see scratch reheated the the derral flashback of him spitting in the cup? I guess that happened at derral. I'd never realized it was at derral. And Jimmy Roberts says, Jimmy Jamminum, and like, we saw you spit. And Sergio's like, well, it wasn't so much spitting as it fell down. Like, what are you trying to say? You drooled into the center of the cup instead of spit, just not a good look for Sergio in the decades of Sergio. So he would flip the bird on his way out. Remember how they the tour DMCA'd everything, but then just left up our like five minute clip of Sergio berating the rules official before he left. Avanel. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Just allow that one to just keep up. I mean, like, can we agree on something? Maybe. What is it? Is this the end of Phil Mickelson having a tour that he plays on regularly? I mean, PJ might be able to interject here, but I I think so. Yes. I think Phil, I don't know, Phil feels dawned as a public figure. Presumably he will come back to the Masters at some point. Beyond that, I don't know. Right? Here's PJ. I just I didn't want to interrupt. I'm just saying, I feel like the US senior open might be kind of a white whale situation. No, that we can't rule out. No, how great would that be? No, I won't dignify that. It's a great championship. Come on. I don't think anybody at this point should be saying anything's great about future Phil wins. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, let's be honest, like he was sort of the he was the vessel with which this thing was able to happen. Right? You had a you had this incredibly prominent, wealthy figure in the game of golf. He wasn't tiger, but he was the next best thing. Who loved antagonizing the PGA tour was personally saw like principal. His principals thought they did some things wrong. And the Saudis came in with the cash and he was there. And does live exist without Phil? Probably not. It was probably the most important person to get him live off the ground. Non funding division. Would you agree with that? Yeah. Go to 2021 to like he was probably like he was the sort of cog, the vulnerability and getting this thing going. I mean, there was the obviously the famous quote that he basically insinuated he was doing all this to get the tour to change. Yeah. And he was just using the Saudis to invoke change. And then it got so far down the line that it actually happened. And it was money driven. It wasn't. I mean, there were some principles like who do you feel the worst for that lives closing up shop? Leesh, maybe felt like he'd started to find himself as a batsman. I mean, this is if assuming this thing closes, which if it doesn't close, it's going to be greatly different. It's going to be so different. It'll be, you know, smaller purses, smaller events. And at that point, you know, does it just you're not going to have Bryson playing your your question I have is if you reduce the purse sizes, I imagine you void contracts. And, you know, the biggest boob here is the DP World Tour. Yeah, I think that's the way it's going to go. Right now that that if you're the DP World Tour, you should just open open arms and brace all these guys. Yeah. That's not going to sit right with all of them, but you need. Toby tree doesn't have much voice. Yeah. When the DP World Tour becoming a feeder tour, it doesn't really have there's nobody there has a voice. No, but there's yeah, the tour. I mean, maybe there's a strategic alliance thumb on the scale the tour could put, but you know, where they say, don't be taking these guys back, don't give them the life raft. But it feels like that's the most likely outcome. Do you feel particularly bad for somebody on live as the walls close in? Is there anyone that bought that you're just bummed about is in a bad way? Yeah, I'm bummed about Brendan Steele. I feel like he just got a tough, tough gig, you know? I mean, this felt like the perfect arrangement for Cam Smith. But just travel the world, play low stakes golf, make a lot of money, not give a shit, drink the shoeies. Like he just he had found his, his sort of level apparently. I don't know. I feel bad for him in a way. Anyways, the recriminations will start about bud bud Martin. The bad deal for him. What about bud? Oh, because he was Cam's agent. Was he? I don't know. I can't tell who did what. PJ, can you tell us more about Gene Davis and John Zinman? You guys, you, I'd love to. I love who they bring in. Did they bring in like sort of the legendary fund raiser? This is mean gene minute. Eugene Davis. Hey, real quick before we get to mean gene minute. Do you have anything to say for yourself? You should be thanking me is what you should be doing. I have, I've, I've awoken the, uh, the sleeping beast known as P curl Armstrong that OPS is over 700 after I took a pot shot out of the other day. So, you know, you're welcome. She probably you probably don't know this, but since PJ on her last episode, you know, you know, just took direct aim at PCA that comes beloved center fielder, the best, the best fielder baseball by like a mile. He, uh, he's hit two homeruns. All right. There we go. So he's starting to start to play well. You're welcome. Chicago. There you go. Doing a victory lap bandit. You know, hand up. I'd love to see some sustained production, but you, you take this win. I'm happy for you. Mean gene minute. Uh, you know, you know me. I'm, I'm a connect the dots guy. I just want to throw this out here. Eugene Davis. Uh, Delta files for chapter 11 bankruptcy at the end of 2006, they come out of chapter 11 bankruptcy. Eugene Davis appointed the Delta's new board of directors in April of 2007 coming out of bankruptcy. Uh, Eugene Davis, Spirit Airlines, declares bankruptcy in late 2024. So this is the company live is not keeping spirit airlines. This is like bringing in the grip. Reaper. It's like more of an embalmer. This is like the guy, he knows what he's doing around a half dead or a dead body apparently. All right. Spirit. I just want to say, where'd you get this data from PJ? I'm finding sources of this data. You know, the sources are finding some press releases on filing bankruptcy and the ensuing board of directors that comes out of bankruptcy. Uh, Spirit Airlines goes under, uh, files of bankruptcy late 2024, May 2025, who's appointed to the new spirit board of directors, but Eugene Davis. Interesting as they're coming out of bankruptcy and they're reincorporating. That's not it though. There's the third weight watchers files for bankruptcy in May 2025. Sure enough, they appoint, they get out of chapter 11 in July, 2025, and who was appointed to their new board of directors, but Eugene Davis. So if you were a company that hypothetically needs to declare bankruptcy and might not have the funding you once did, uh, this guy is the call to the bullpen that you break the big right hander, Eugene Davis. I mean, what is the actual, what'd you say? He's a long reliever. I mean, it seems like he's still on the Delta board from 2007. So he might be around for a while. I mean, what a gig. You're just, it sounds like, from what I understand, he's just a board for a higher guy when the, when companies are in a bad way. Spirit weight watchers live golf. So he's coming in. Uh, feels like a far cry from the public investment fund of Saudi Arabia, but they're restructuring multi-investment approach. He knows his way around, restructuring funding that we can confidently say. All right. That's fair. That's fair. Gene Davis don't know much about Zinman, but presumably has similar background and getting, you know, companies that might be in trouble out of the most interested in liquidation or bankruptcy. Look, we're going to talk a lot about this over the next couple of months. Who knows? This might be the Kobe farewell tour for live golf until like September. I had a question. Do you think they get all seven events remaining off? No. Are you counting the exposition? I think there could be like a run on the whole thing where Bryson leaves and then guys are just like, I, it seems silly, but then who do they backfill that with? Are they going to hobble the board? They're going to have $25 million persons and like the highest ranked player in the field, is Brendan Steele? I don't know. Maybe just, I, it's hard to say guys just stop playing these high priced events for, you know, with minimal competition. Do you think they get all seven in, Andy? Andy? The way things are going, no. Because they had that number, what was it like 285 million a couple of weeks ago that was floated? Yep. This is an insane state. I don't think that's enough money to get it all, all done. They're just going to start losing like a lot of like soldiers, foot soldier types that get these, that like in some get these events off the ground. Like you can have an event. You know what I mean? Like the writing is on the wall. Like if you're, you know, VP level or you're the head of Vendane or whatever, you're like, what's my next job? And if I can get it in June, I'm going. Right? And so like, there's just going to be a lot of that going on. I would imagine. Yeah. Let alone the players. Eugene Davis comes on, you know, to get off the boat. Me. It's knocking on doors. If Eugene Davis comes on your boat, you've been on the boat for too long. Usually it means you would stood the flood because you are out of the other side of bankruptcy. So this is just foreign territory. God, there needs to be a shaming ritual as these guys come back. We'll see. The agents need to be shamed. I'm all for disruption innovation. This was not the way it is. Is Brooks playing Myrtle not enough of a shaming ritual? That's such disrespect to the one flight Myrtle Beach classic. I don't know if it is. This feels pretty bad. You know what you need Myrtle Beach in May? Good pair of sunglasses. And where you can get them is at ShadyRays. You go to ShadyRays.com. They've got Color Rush Lens Tech that enhances contrast with helps you track the ball. If you want to improve your vision on the golf course, Shady's Rays Golf Collection is the answer. 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If you drop it out there, they replace them. If you knock them off the cart, they replace them. If you sit on them, they replace them. They have that program. Good program. Go to shadyraise.com. Probe, code is SHOTGUN to get 40% off two pair. All right. I don't think I have anything more to discuss. It's just stories evolving rapidly. It's just going to be a trickle, quite frankly, a constant drip, drip, drip for the next probably months, several months. You want to talk caddy championship? What's that? Oh, the Cadillac championship? No, not really. I thought you meant carrying the bag championship. I know there's no wind. The golf course is soft. But isn't this just like such a representation with scoring of what's happened at ProGolf over the last 10 years since it's been gone? Yeah. Since you've been gone? It's... Ellie Clarkson's, you know, no longer relevant since the last time. These were sort of inconceivable numbers, some of these. Maybe for four rounds, maybe. If you think back to 2016, more notably, 2014, when they renovated the golf course, not a lot of guys hit the ball 310 yards. You come back, and so what people complained about was all these bunkers that we used to fly are now in play. That was the players' kind of stance on why they didn't like the renovation, among other things. But it got too hard, and all these bunkers were in play. The tour's leading average driver in 2014 was 314, and the average was 290, 289, 85. Now you fast forward, and the average driving distance is over 300 yards, and there are guys in at 330. And sure enough, this golf course that was renovated 10 years ago for millions and millions of dollars to be harder is no longer relevant for the same reason they renovated it for 10 years ago. And yeah, the players might be bigger, faster, stronger, but it presents the point of why you can't just allow a baseball stadium to become obsolete, because anybody just any ball off the bat goes out of the stadium. This week is a perfect encapsulation of what's happened, because we hadn't seen this course in 10 years. And sure enough, a lot of the bunkers that were built to be in play are now out of play again, just 10 years later. Yeah. All right. That's all I wanted to say. Cameron Young, pin high and two on a 650 yard, 650 yard par five, or whatever you want to call it, par four maybe for him. Nobody will watch though if the ball goes 30 yards shorter, Brennan. When the vast majority of fans would have no idea how far a ball is when it come, how far ball is going when it comes off the face at an event. What do you think? What do you think McLaren golf stances on the ball going too far? The new McLaren golf? You see this $375 and iron iron. Do you see that everybody's already reporting on Justin Rose's first round stats? This is from Rick Gaiman. Oh God, what are they? Justin Rose lost 2.26 strokes game ball striking and 4.83 strokes T degree today. This is second worst ball striking and worst T degree round of his year. I mean, not to defend McLaren golf here, but that feels like a little reactionary. Oh, yeah. Sort of cherry picking. Like I get it. It's so petty that I'm in on it. I mean, look, they've got a lot of glowing coverage, some of which are removing the editorial disclosures cough cough golf.com parrot company. They to him has a has a collaboration inclusion with McLaren golf. A lot of glowing. All the 80M golf people were out at like a McLaren event this week. So a lot of glowing press. I guess the cherry picking is allowed. $375 and iron. Good deal. I mean, it was how many irons you need to eat? $2,400. No, $3,200. I thought that. I mean, $100 a hat from a baseball hat. $100. Can I tell a story? Golf's in this great moment of just boom. And we are going to piss it all away with nothing, but garbage like overpriced exclusive high end this high end that it's just it's going to. I've lived through both sides of it. It's going to whip back. Can I tell a story from what I when I used to, you know, me and you really at this time and my wife ran sales for for Friday. We, we set a proposal to a very expensive hat company similar to the $100 McLaren hat. And they replied back that that our ad rates were too expensive. Really? And they're selling $100. $100. Which I found to be very ironic. Literal mom and pop shop. You and Kaylee were doing sales decks. I remember those. I remember those days. Interesting. There's just, I'm not a shrink the game person, but we're, you know, live just pissed away $5 billion and grow the game efforts. We've got McLaren. Did anybody need McLaren? Was the world crying out for McLaren Golf? Was the world crying out for Motor City GC? Another expansion TGL. I met somebody from Motor City GC at the Masters. That's not a thing. There are people from Motor City GC. I was excited to meet him and I was, you know, I was ready to talk and, and he, he told me they have a plan. They've got an expansion franchise plan. Can also say there's disappointment in, you know, how Chris Goder up was just, you know, given to drive. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sure you would have looked good in Motor City GC. The Clics had a plan. Everybody has a plan. What's the plan to unveil the brand with this preposterous language? New logo. This is more than a logo. Okay. It's just a logo to be clear. It is a logo. That's the first sentence. This is more than a logo. This is our team signature. They have the possessive run there. They didn't miss an apostrophe. This is our team signature. Detroit doesn't ask permission. Never has. That's not, that could be taken really poorly in certain contexts. What? Like consent not given? Detroit doesn't ask permission. Never has. We built. We break down. We build back louder. We've buried more comebacks than most cities have stories. We were counted out so many times we stopped counting. So when they said golf wasn't ours, we said watch. The checkered flag isn't decoration. It's inheritance. Generations of hands on the line. Generations of horsepower. The city that put the world on wheels just put its name on the green. The shield isn't a logo. It's a promise to play with the chip every Detroiters born with. None of these players are going to come from Detroit or have any kind of chip for the arena league. Let me just, let me just see golfers, PGA tour players from Michigan. Ryan Brem, I believe is one. I don't think he's going to make the cut for TGL. Just going to get. Let's see. Here's some golf golfers from Michigan. Ready? I'm going to try and find a pole. Ben. They could go. Ben Cook, the guy that, you know, played well at the Q of PGA. PGA guy. Yeah. Polecat. You could bring back. I knew you were going with the pole. To play with the chip every Detroiters born with, to carry this city's name under the fairway. It's not a fairway. It's not a fairway. Ryan Stewart could be the centerpiece. It's a screen. It's not a fairway. Every broadcast, every stage, this is where grit meets the green. This is where the underdog becomes the standard. This is the 313. This is Motor City Golf Club, Detroit's team. See you in 2027. Brendan, I've got great news. That's an embarrassment. That is just an embarrassment. Live golf is off the hook. TGL, you're in the crosshairs. That's an embarrassment. I've got good news. There's a player available that's Michigan born that was part of another expansion franchise. So he has experience. Oh, Wyatt expansion. Yeah, James Wyatt. You're right. I knew it. I wanted to go back to what you said about, you know, that not that I'm not pro-shrink the game. I'm not either. Business like this is a sport being popular. It's not a bad thing. I'm sorry. I've gone through 15 years of the constant being there's always some Huxters and charlatans just coming up with a reason to justify their existence and spend millions of dollars on horrible ideas. As someone who owns a golf business, you own a golf business too, your co-owner. P.J. is a co-owner too. We all own it. As someone who owns a golf business, I marvel at the number of businesses that actively literally just like flush money down the toilet and golf. Like actively and there's numerous examples of them right now that are going on in our space and in other spaces where it's just like, oh my God, like you you spent that much money and you've done this. This is the end product of what you've done. Nothing lasting. Nothing, I think in the history of golf will ever come close, ever come close to the rate and manner and little impact from a consumer product perspective that live accomplished with five billion dollars. It is, I think you could put it up there in the pantheon of all time greatest waste of money in the history of the world. It's up there. It's up there. They had the funding. They had a bank roller where five billion wasn't that painful until it was. They were like, we're out. It's a lot of money behind TGL. I don't know if the world's crying out for that insane rambling on the Motor City logo, but that's where we're going. That's McLaren, McLaren golf clubs, got Motor City Golf Club logo nonsense. There's just maybe too many people trying to make too many things. Can I give you our team, our Motor City team? What? Michigan born golfer. Yeah. Ready? Yeah. We're going to go with a Stuart Piat. Brem. There you go. Then we're going to go with Scott Perel. Oh, okay. Can't do that. That's our floor. And for the fifth and final spot, it's down to Eric Barnes or Tom Gillis. Oh, God. I think you've got to go Barnes. Gillis is kind of a loose cannon, if I recall. Oh, man. I couldn't believe that. Couldn't believe that they dropped that. Honorary captain who's deceased is Walter Hagan. Honorary and memoriam. Captain Emeritus. All right. Great. That does a lot. Okay. Or George Zeringer. Feels like there just might be a little too much money going the wrong directions. I don't know. I don't know. Some of that could be with course building, too. We're putting it at the wrong initiatives. Anyways. You could save a bunch of courses or spend $30 million to renovate their courses. A lot of them, you could be like, what are we doing here? To make it marginally better to still be the same essential golf course. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But look at it. We'll have bunkers that play the same every day. It's a constant as long as I've been in this, in golf is just, I know, shot makers existed. There's just things that happen and there's a lot of people who buy in and spend a lot of money and it's happening a lot lately here. Liv, Liv doesn't seem to have thrown caution up for some of those initiatives. All right. You think LeBron's going to blow it? Potentially. He's 42 and he has none of his, he has no Luca, no Reeves, nothing. Reeves came back last time. Yeah. Fine. Reeves is on it just barely getting back into action. I don't know. Feels possible. Probably won't actually. If you put a gun in the head, he probably doesn't. Do the Knicks Cavs play each other next round if they win? I mean, I have no confidence in the Cavs, but the Knicks play the Celtics. No, it's the Celtics. On the bottom of the bracket. We're probably going to, the Cavs are kind of a, you might run into the magic. I, yeah, that's right. If we were, if we had any sort of stones and any gumption and any kind of playoff character, we, it's all set up for us to at least get to the final conference finals and maybe the finals if the Knicks and Celtics beat the hell out of each other. But we don't have any of those things. We have, James Harden, quite frankly, looked like the strongest, most, like clutch player for like 75% of the game last night against the Raptors team that just isn't a real contender. Did you, did you see this LeBron clip of him yelling at Alfred and Shangoon? Yeah, you're not allowed to say that. We need to do this, do this with the mules. There should be someone that says this. So Elver, the, the center for the Rockets was saying how it was really soft, soft call and LeBron just starts yelling while he's at the free throw line of like, of anybody but you, you're the only person, everybody else on your roster is allowed to say that, but not you. Oh, was that what it was about? Yeah. Shangoon said it was a soft call. Oh, I thought it was something like racial or something like that. He was in trouble. Oh, it was a soft call. Okay. Okay. Good. I could come back from LeBron. That's what it was. Good comeback from LeBron. Do we have any derby picks? PJ, have you been checking the picks? It doesn't hurt. The Sugar Daddy of St. John's basketball have a horse. Yeah. He's the favorite. He's the one, he's the one post position though, which hasn't won since like the 80s or something. So it's looking unlikely. We need it. We've struck out on literally every portal target. We need the money. So we need to win. We need to win back. All right. That does it. Let's get, I was talking to somebody on the phone. I know you're trying to get out of here this morning and they said, you know, PJ, it just reminds me of being in my 20s and having unlimited time to follow, watch and do whatever I want. Go to all these sporting events. Yeah. It's amazing. PJ, I'm very jealous. I got nothing else going on, man. I've had a couple calls this week where people just didn't realize how the shotgun start gets made. And it's like kind of this miracle of seven years now where Andy and I are like, can we, do you want to record in like 25 minutes, 30 minutes, 45? What are we doing? Like it just happens. It's been a miracle that this has happened essentially, that we're able to get it done three times a week with the lives we've come into. And nobody can do it. Like we're supposed to have like people on it. Like, oh, wait, I can't. I was like, well, this is what you normally do. I was like, yeah, like 35 minutes. See you. Let's go then. PJ happens to be the unicorn that could assimilate into that chaotic process because he is always on call, always tending guard just about. It's been perfect. It's been a match made in heaven as everybody knows. And then there's just, you throw in like, I got to go to the Mets game or something and we record around that. It's kind of worked out great. You're used to the chaotic, chaotic nature of it. So it's great. It's great. Happy to be here. Not happy about the Mets. Left a Mets game early last night for the first time, maybe ever, honestly, that I can recall. So you guys had a good video reaction. I bet the Mets wish they had a great center fielder named Pete Crow Armstrong. I wish we had Javier Baez. I could tell you that. I mean, it couldn't be much worse. All right. That does it for this Friday episode of the Shotgun Start. We will watch the Cadillac championship or the Caddy championships. Good luck. Good luck to your guys' basketball teams. Yeah. We'll give it a go. We'll see where we end up. We got Flashback Friday. Don't forget about Flashback Friday. Just throw it in the, throw it in earlier. Throw it. I was thinking about a transition, but we've done too much rambling. Now, now just throw it at the back. All right. Now it's better at the back. Flashback Friday with KVV coming at you. We'll see you. All right. We're now going to bring in Kevin VanValkenberg, the director of content at Friday, enterprises, Friday golf enterprises. Today he is brought to you by B. Dratti. This is going to be the B. Dratti Flashback Friday segment. I think we're focusing on a past winner champion at Dural. Sort of this historic stop on the PGA tour. We're seeing Jordan Spieth discover his 2015 game going back to a venue that hasn't been, maybe he just need to go back to venues from 2015 and 16. Never mind the ones on the schedule that were, that have been on the, still on the schedule, the proceeding or the intervening 10 years, but never mind. This is a historic stop. And for this one, I think we're going to go to a past winner, Ernie Ells, winning at Dural. Ernie, of course, was the founder and the creator, originator of the SHIELD logo for the international team at the president's cup. And you know what that SHIELD logo is going to be on this fall at Medina? It's going to be on some prime B. Dratti apparel and zero restriction apparel if it gets a little chilly or there's some moisture coming from the clouds. You can, you can procure your own B. Dratti or zero restriction at their websites and use the promo code SGS30. If you're serious about your golf game, it's in your best interest to get some zero restriction. We were loaded up for Scotland. You had a Scott, you had a, what, what jacket? You had the, you had the rain jacket, the new FV jacket, the torque, power torque. I got so many compliments in the, in the gram about that. Yeah. People ask me, why can I buy that jacket? Share personally? This is my power torque. How do you use the promo code SGS30 at B. Dratti and or zero restriction. They will be covering the boys from the international side in that SHIELD at Medina. We're pumped to get there in September with them. Big, big president's cup plans here at egg enterprises this year, with Chicago being the host and Dratti on board as the apparel provider. And he got a lot of compliments on his president's cup outfit in Scotland. People could not believe that he was sporting a president's cup logo around the old core. I mean, look, I, I realized we're supposed to say nice things here about the president's cup gear, but I count me as the person who couldn't believe that that was out of line. That was for postures. He loves the coat. That's a, it's a plus for the coat, but he showed up at the old course reversed in his international shield, the zero restriction coat. He was happy boy. But I was like, this just doesn't make any sense right here right now. It's a great coat though. So use SGS 30 at those websites and look for all their stuff coming. This is just one of the internationals to feel the fervor of a Ryder Cup venue, you know, like that if we could ever have a Ryder Cup at the old course, the international couldn't experience it. So anyway, bringing that, that energy to the old course, we did send it to, yeah, so some international team members or dignitaries is still representing here at the old course. All right. So let's go to Ernie, the creator of that shield. We'll see this fall. What did he do with the row? This has had to be peak, peak Ernie season when prime. This is kind of peak Ernie getting his ass kicked by tiger, Brennan, if you remember correctly. So this also presents kind of symbolism, right? Well, that's kind of why I wanted to fold these things together. There are layers to this stuff. It all fits it. Brennan, do you remember what the Doral Open changed its name to back in 2001? Was that the CA Open or something? Close. Close. What was it? Genuity. For two years, it was the Genuity Championship. I had memory hold that completely. I generally have some vague recollection of that. Zero clue. Genuity. I had memory hold this as well. Genuity is, could you guess what services they provide? Software of some sort. Internet service provider. This was back in the time when like Internet service providers were just throwing money around with, I remember the Raven Stadium was PSI Net Stadium, various things that are now in the graveyard of various tech companies. Yeah, since 1962, this is from a Bob Herrick story in the St. Petersburg Times. Since 1962, the PGA Tour has come to Florida each spring for an event at the Doral. But for the first time, this is actually 2001, for the first time Doral is no longer part of the tournament's name. Fans who grew accustomed to Doral as the real start of the season, the real man is quite good. A little bit Bob Noble was coming over the next thing. The beginning of the season. The Western Open doesn't exist. We're just on two decades of absolute. I have no idea what anything is. The Deed and DeLuca Championship. Doral doesn't matter. The venues don't matter. For fans that are accustomed to being the run-up to the Masters is going to take a little getting used to what we call the Genuity Championship. A $4.5 million purse, which is an increase from 3 million years ago. And it was one of 18 Tour events with a purse of 4 million or more, as we know now. Every purse is essentially 20 million. The event nearly vanished because after Ryder elected to not renew its investment, the owners of the Doral Resort, not the current owners, threatened to evict the tournament if the Doral name wasn't included in the new sponsor. But Genuity demanded naming rights over Doral's objections. And after much negotiation and discussion, the owners did agree. Joe Durant won the first ever Genuity in 2001. Oh, two strokes over another international team. Captain, member Mike Weir. Weir, this is the high times for Weir. It is. But this year, a classic sort of unfolded. Ernie Ells had previously, the previous year, gotten his ass kicked in a bunch of majors by Tiger. And of course, in 2000 had been beat down by Tiger in the, basically four majors, particularly the US Open, which kind of stung particularly hard. But Ernie is cooking at this point, Brendan. He does not make a bogey through the first 54 holes at Doral. And he takes an eight shot lead going into the final round. What? Yeah, crazy. Shot at 66 on Saturday, despite 30 mile an hour wind gust, just kind of cooking the big easy. He said, I wouldn't say it was a walk in the park. I'm a little surprised I'm eight ahead, but I'm just doing what I thought that I would do for a long time. So it's kind of like Ernie was like, you know what, this is me. I should be the guy out here. He's on par with me. All right. Tigers in second place, eight shots back, asked if Ernie was going to feel it would feel a little bit better if there were anyone other than Tiger behind him. He admitted that, yeah, I probably, he has to sort of, Woods is in the group. He's not in the final group. He has to sort of play out in front of him. And he watches Tiger get off to just a fantastic start, just booming it, big drives, making putts right, left. El said after the round, you know what, he's wiped out leads like that before. When he gets on a roll, it's hard sometimes to hit a bad shot. It is not a very comfortable feeling. Wind is whipping, wind is blowing, Tiger keeps making putts. And now on the 12th hole, he ends up with a 40 foot eagle putt with a chance to share the lead. He has chipped away in 12 holes and now he has a putt to get it to zero. Ernie had to just be crapping his pants. Just leaves it short, taps in for birdie. Woods will end up shooting 66 on the day, super, super windy day. But Ernie kind of buckles down. He said, you know what, I felt like I was watching him all day. And that is really difficult when he's got momentum and I'm trying to find momentum. I'm happy just to pull this one off. So sorry to everyone out there who expected me to do an Ernie accent. Just not feeling it today. Just didn't get stretched enough. It's all right. It's all right. Yeah. It's an off. Woods had said that his goal was to cut the eight stroke lead in half by the turn and he did one better by making a birdie on nine that got him to within three. He said, I've got, I've got there with a chance and that's all that you can do. One funny anecdote in here. If there was any question about the, this is from the AP report, did you question about the pressure that Els felt was answered when he made a par on number nine and then he saw a backup on the 10th tee? This is to sort of share the people that pace of play issues were, were still back then. Absolutely. Ernie, particularly that Drow, which I remember being particularly slow. Yeah. Instead of walking up to the 10th tee where he would have had to wait with Tiger, Ernie elected to sit on his bag off the ninth green rather than wait with Woods on the tee box. I was getting tight. Els said, I don't know what I would have said to him. I don't know if I would have punched him or kicked him in the knees. What? We're very competitive. He's a good friend of mine, but I can say hello to him some other time. Els had to wait 20 minutes on his bag. Oh hell, absolute hell in his head. And watch Tiger birdie two more holes after that. But the regroup, Ernie said, did him wonders and he was able to kind of just reset. As he came down the stretch, he made a 12 foot birdie putt on the 12th, right after Tiger had putted for Birdie to get down to a single shot. And that brought the margin back to two. And that was kind of Ernie slamming the door. He was able to sort of hang on and just, you know, play great down the stretch. And he said, I felt like, oh, sorry. He said, I just made it work. I'm very happy. Half an hour ago, I was really still concerned about winning this tournament. Tiger said, I made him work for it, which was a good tiger. He said about the putt on the 12th, I was probably the winning putt for me. I felt like a different player after that. I felt a lot more in control. Both of these two will go on to win majors in 2002. Ernie will win the open championship, win the masters. And one final anecdote that I found that was really kind of fun here is the day after Dural, Tiger went to Times Square Toy Store for a promotional event to celebrate the release of his video game. In it, he played two kids, 10-year-old Scotty Marsh and several-year-old Donnie Jireena, who were both kid, like Make-A-Wish kids. And they both beat his ass in the video game. And he insisted he was trying hard the entire time. The media asked him afterwards if he, if, why he didn't play as himself during the video game. He says, I don't play as me because it's just too weird. I get too weirded out. I usually like to play as a mirror or somebody like that so that I can be the old and gray guy. That's fair. Little Donnie and Scotty beat his ass. I loved that. I was going to ask what they're up to today, but I don't know. I hope they're doing well. I didn't google them. I hope they're still. Yeah, they never know. That's a precarious situation. I think, we just had this master's a year ago where we made this big deal about Bryce and saying, Roy didn't talk to me all day. There was sort of this ringing of hands and clutching of pearls about this. Think about if one of the guys just came out. I didn't know if I'd punch him or kick him in the knees if I wouldn't stood on the neck. Why can't we talk like this anymore? Just acknowledge these guys are trying to beat each other. That's that we just have all these sensitive souls in the media that on Twitter and elsewhere that make these big deals out of. I don't think our modern media environment could handle some of the feuds of the past, the way that the guys clutched it to each other and was like, I don't like him at all, but I don't have to like him. Just have respect to him, that kind of stuff. It is really weird that everyone wants everyone to like each other and be okay. That's not the case in a lot of other sports. It's just a weird development of media, I think. You just wouldn't hear that even if he's like, I do like him and we talk, we're friends, but you wouldn't even hear a player joke. I couldn't go on the next T-Box. I would have punched him or kicked him in the knees. I wish we could get a little bit more of that. That's kind of a problem. That famous anecdote where Tiger and VJ are on the first tee in a major and VJ is like, good luck today. Tiger just goes, title us too. Just let him know what ball he's playing and that's it. They don't speak the entire day. That's good. I love that. D'Ral has incredible history in terms of winners. I know that doesn't necessarily make it the most prestigious course, but God for like, especially those sort of millennial types are just there in the early turn of the century. It was just like this passage, right of passage and spraying. It felt like the realm. I don't know. It's interesting. I just always remember that 18th tee shot where you'd have water off the left, hard, rough, and trees on the right. You had to step up and hit shots. That's what made it cool. On that gold statue then, that was sort of looming over the whole scene of the 18th. No, Tiger wanted that. I was just a bunch of like, A-list winners. It was like the big event prior to the Masters. Interesting. All right. That's a great flashback presented by B. Dratti. Peacup legend Ernie Elves. That was a better presence cup legend than Craig Perry. That seemed too obvious. The whole out. Sorry to all the Craig Perry stands out. The whole out. He was a Kiwi, right? Or no, he's Aussie. He was Aussie. He was Aussie. But Josh Carpenter had a tweet about how Johnny Miller was just savaging him that whole week. I don't know. Do you remember that? I remember Craig Perry claiming that somebody in a Masters, someone was brewed to him and it cost him like the Masters. Oh, come on. Craig Perry? Yes. I'll have to look that up. I, you know, he's, he was a sensitive bloke. Apparently Carpenter was like, here's what he said. Quote, the last time you see that swing is in a program with a guy that's about a 15 handicap. This is what Johnny Miller said. The guy won. If Ben Ogens saw that, he puked. Is that the famous one? I didn't know. I've always thought that was about Alan Doyle. This is Perch. Ash Carpenter about the famous Perry whole out at Durell. All right. Couple flashbacks. Let's meet our nationals. Kevin, thank you for joining us. We will be reading your work, work of the Friday newsletter, pop it on here. Shotgun start frequently. We're kind of head down, moving towards PGA week. I guess we have quail hollow, but we will talk to you soon. Thank you, KV.