Oscars Review from Inside the Dolby; The Problem with Oscars Press; What's Up Next for the Winners?

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Welcome to Screen Talk, IndieWire's weekly podcast, where we bring you up to speed on what's going on in Hollywood. I am Ann Thompson in Los Angeles in Oscar recovery mode.

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And I'm Ryan Lattanzio in New York. Today we're going to close out our Oscar coverage for the year. It is finally makes you glad? Yeah. You know, people keep asking me if I'm glad. It's like I'm more sort of numb. There's something anticlimactic about it every year. I can't explain it.

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It's a very strange thing because we, we obsess about it and we get into the ornery details of it to such a degree. Eric Cohn called me up to do his podcast in, you know, the Playhouse in Southampton. He has a podcast, and it was weird listening to it and realizing how deep in the weeds we get. It's like people who get into a character and work on a movie, and at some point that movie's over. You have to let it go and drop it. And it doesn't, it's not important anymore and it doesn't motivate your life anymore. It's a depression. It's a kind of air going out of the balloon feeling.

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I've heard similar feelings from people who planned and executed their own weddings. There was so much buildup to it, and then it's suddenly over. This day that was supposed to be the most important day, but anyway, so today we're gonna talk about what went right, what went wrong about the show. I was not there in person, but of course you were. And what some of the key winners and players out of this year's Oscar season have coming up next. So, Anne, you were in the house at the Dolby. What did you learn from being in there this year?

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Lately? I have been lucky enough to be one. You know, it never gets old I mean, they don't let you even see what's going on on the real red carpet, by the way. If you're not one of those people, you have to go on a second tier and they whisk, you know, the whole secret. The way I play it is like, how can I extend the red carpet period for as long as possible when the security guards are trying to rush you through and so you press yourself against the wall. That works to a degree. Or. And you talk to people, but they keep rushing you forward. And then you end up in the cocktail space upstairs in the sort of lounge area, bar area before they let you into the actual house. And then we were on the first mezzanine, Dana Harris Bridson and I, the editor in chief of indiewire, and we were looking down on the. The stars down below could see Timmy Chalamet in his white suit and Elle Fanning trying to press her enormous tall skirt into a chair. Luckily, they had her on the aisle. I don't know what she would have done otherwise, you know, what you felt in the room was how much love there was for Sinners. An enormous amount of love. It was palpable, huge, noisy. Every single time that Sinners, you know, had a musical number which was very successful in the house, or a win, you know, it was just Michael B. Jordan winning, you know, Ryan Coogler winning, and Autumn Dural Arkapa winning, which you called all along. How many wins did you end up with, ryan?

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I got 19.

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I did, too. I did, too.

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I was right about the shorts I was having. That tie was fortifying for me because I thought that two people exchanging saliva would win. And I also thought that the Girl who Cried Pearls would win. These are two very sophisticated movies. The Academy's more sophisticated. They absolutely deserve to win.

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I agree with you. I had the first and second choice correct. I just sometimes got them reversed. If you go with the precursors and you don't follow your gut, sometimes you lose. And that was the one. The cinematography was the one that I regretted because at the beginning, when BAFTA went for one battle after another, I remember being really surprised because I thought it was Sinners that was going to win cinematography, for all the reasons that seem so obvious now. But I went with the precursors because people argued with me about it. They said, hey, it's, you know, bafta, asc, bsc, you know, that's the deal. And that. That taught me, in that category, at least, don't follow the precursors.

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I will never stray from the precursors. I was wrong about Best Picture. Even though I didn't really necessarily believe it was going to be Sinners, I was just trying to keep myself entertained. Perhaps I shouldn't have followed Variety's Cleen Davis, who had been.

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I do not think he's a valuable predictor.

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Yes, he had some controversial.

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He let his heart lead the way. But I, you know, I get it. I kept my head on straight for the most part. But the thing about it is that if Sinners had had another week, God,

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can you imagine another week?

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There was, There was a week could

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even be done in another week. I mean, it could be the reverse.

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I know, I know, I know. So I think Sinners would have caught up. But the other thing I think is that in la, Sinners was winning. Probably in New York too, it was the international vote that ended up. Because if you have one battle after another, winning six baftas, that's a sign that the international vote was going with one battle.

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You know what else is winning in New York, which I, I had Secret Agent goggles on, because that is the international movie that has been winning here all along. And everyone in New York seems to have rallied around that movie. That's not the case in other places. I mean, I think Europe was split between Sentimental Value and Secret Agent.

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I bet it was a close race.

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Yeah, I think it was in la, I think was really behind Sentimental Value. They'll never show the statistics of what countries voted for what. I mean, that would be too much transparency. But yeah, I mean, I have a feel would be pretty telling.

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Well, finally, Sentimental Value was more accessible and it had nine nominations versus four. I mean, you just do the numbers, that's all. It's, it's, It's a numbers game in, in the end. But the Governor's Ball was really fun and. And then I went and looked at the Hulu show afterwards. That's how obsessive I am because I want to see the reaction shots and, you know, the people hugging, you know, Coogler and Zhao hugging in the aisle and little moments like that I wanted to see.

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Or Delroy Lindo not clapping for Sean Penn.

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Correct. So I ended up recognizing that the monologue didn't hit all the time, but after he took over the show, just running the show, I thought he did really well. It felt to me almost as though Conan o' Brien was sort of shoving too much in. In a weird way like, like. And doing weird things that, that didn't necessarily land. And I want to credit him for that on the one hand, but I bet he Learned a lot from this second go round.

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The careening between satire and sanctimony, often in the same sentence in the same joke, I found a little bit difficult to engage with. I didn't find it particularly funny either. I know you had some issue with this ribbing of Ted Sarandos, who we know has turned around on his theatrical position and probably will even more so in the wake of the Paramount takeover of Warner's. And in response to that, I mean, there did seem to be some laughter for that in the room. But no, the monologue overall, I didn't feel especially hit.

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I think the reason that I objected to that joke wasn't that it was not funny. It was that it was a little bit tone deaf in terms of where the Hollywood universe is, is in relation to Ted Sarandos. In other words, he's become relatively benign, a figure that people like more than they did before compared to the Ellisons at Paramount. That's what it is.

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Well, the joke was a little bit retrograde also. It's one you could have made any number of years pass. But I don't think it especially works. It's out of date for 2026.

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That's my point. That's really what I felt. And it wasn't a disaster, that joke. And Ted Sarandos himself at the Governor's Ball was. Was perfectly amused by it and recognizes that to be the butt of a joke is to be famous.

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Timothy Chalamet was the butt of a number of jokes which literally. Which got. Yeah. Which got a bit tedious, especially because there were people online and some reputable news outlets trying to reframe Ms. T. Copeland's appearance in the Sinners Dance as some sort of a haranging of. Yeah. Rebuke of what he said. And that isn't true at all. She already was set to be in the show. Everything he said was after Oscar voting. And I. Again, everything he said was pretty much taken out of context. And that's not to say that he didn't behave along on the campaign trail or misstep, because as we've talked about ad infinitum on this podcast, there were things that he could have done differently.

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Well, we're going to talk more about Chalamet later, but the point is, I was overestimating his lead in that best actor race. That best actor race was fumpering around. There was no leader, I think, until Michael B. Jordan won the Screen Actors Award. And I believe that Chalamet had issues all the way back to sag. All the way back to the early campaign for Marty supreme, you know that he didn't. He didn't. People were really turned off to him.

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And it seems like the Academy was turned off on Marty supreme as well, which lost all of its Academy Awards, including what could have been the first production design Oscar for Jackson Fisk. He didn't have a fighting chance. But I actually think that that movie is going to outlive this award season and be one that's seen as a, if not a cult classic, perhaps like a classic earnestly where some of these other movies I think might fall away.

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And Chalamet absolutely gave the performance of his career. I have no argument with that. I actually think he did. Yeah, so far. And that's the point. He's only 30 years old. A lot of people don't vote for young men to get awards. It's unusual. Adrien Brody was young back in the day, but you know that Leonardo DiCaprio had to wait until he was 41 to win for the Revenant. So I also went to the Governor's Ball and talked to Sarandos and talked to my one liner with Conan o', Brien, who's really tall. I always forget how tall he is. He looked down on me and he looked at me and he said, I'm fried. And I could imagine. Can you imagine how fried he must have been? What a night. What a long haul thing to do, you know. And he did all the. I loved, I did love all, all of his bits with, with Amy Madigan. And the one battle thing at the end, I thought those were very successful. And the ad lib with the tie where everybody was going to lose their Oscar pool was very funny. But the Governor's Ball is interesting because there used to be a time when all the stars would come and hang out there. They would come after. It would be normal. They would leave the Oscars, go to the Governor's Ball, hang out at their studio table. Right. And they would all go. And now it has completely changed. The ones who win show up to get their Oscar engraved. They're ushered up to this podium. They're kept away from all the, the people in the room. And then they're ushered out to an exit door and they're gone and nobody gets a crack at them, as it were.

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And then they go to the Vanity Fair part.

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Correct. Or they go to the. Or they go to eventually to Beyonce or whatever. That's a party I've never been to. There was a time when I got into the Vanity Fair party But it was long ago and far away.

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Those days are done. But I'm sure if you were a reality TV star or social media influencer, you would definitely be able to get in. But you did go to the Neon party, and that's a. That's always a fun one. And I'm sure they were feeling very celebratory about their one win this year.

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Tom Quinn was happy. He was very happy. And the other. The other little bit of intel. I had a conversation with Jafar Panahi, who didn't win anything, but is plotting to break back into Iran even though there are no available flights. You can't get in. Right now he is. He's going back to Paris. He and his daughter want to go back to Iran, and he wants. The real reason. And this is the one I buy. He talks about wanting to be home or with his family or whatever it is. He wants to work, he wants to cover it. His instincts as a filmmaker are he wants to go back and. And work. That's who he is. He's a filmmaker who makes films.

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Isn't he also going back to serve that prison sentence?

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That could happen, too. Although they may be distracted right now. So the Neon Party was great, but again, they had the sentimental value. People sequestered behind a velvet rope. You know, it's like you can't. You know, there is no circulating anymore in these. In these universes of Oscar parties. But it was fun. What did you do on Oscar night? You wrote the story. You were the guy who had to write the story.

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Yeah, I was hanging out with Nigel Smith of People who's been on the podcast. One of my dear friends. We like to work the event together. Meaning that we sit on a sofa in silence and the show, with your

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computers on your laps.

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No. No alcohol. Just take out and heads down. And then I went home. And that was it. That was my Oscars. And it was. Okay.

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Well, that's a hard store to do. I've done it. The hardest one to do is if you're backstage at the Oscars. I don't know if you've done it this way.

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I've done it a few times and. Cause you don't. You're not really seeing the show. You're also.

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You're trying to see it, and you're trying to listen to the interviews as they come in, and you're trying to get the info that you need for the story. And at the end, you have to write that story up and it's done. That's one of the most extraordinarily difficult things.

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And you were sent there to cover the backstage winners quotes. And those aren't very inspired because they're just kind of rehashing the same talking points from the past year or they're not even doing it, as we saw on the red carpet where a lot of stars just sailed on through.

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And Michael B. Jordan, you could see the shot of him just walking fast past every single outlet. And again, again, I think that's terrible. I really do.

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I wouldn't talk if I was a celebrity. Nothing good can come of it.

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Yes, but the whole point, I mean, you know, they should give it up if it's just a photo op now. And then they have the. They have their own influencer that they've hired to do.

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Anything you can and do, say and do will be used against you, literally. Yeah, I mean, there was this guy named Jake Shane who they had a Vanity Fair asking appalling questions to celebrities, taking digs at if I had legs like kick you when he was talking to Damson Idris or talking to Julia Fox, who put this little kid in his place. Anyway, it's very embarrassing and unfortunate that those of us who are professionals, who have years of experience, we are not getting the plum spots anymore because they're going to teenagers and people in their early 20s that know what they're doing.

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But the real Oscars, I think, even though I enjoyed, obviously I'm a very lucky person that I get to go. And it never gets old, but it's the morning after when you get up and you read through on Twitter, in my case, all the coverage, all the parties, all the pictures, all the moments, that's the fun part. And I think that's the part that explains part of why we had the lowest ratings since 2022, down 9%. Why do you think they were so low?

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It's not because people didn't want to turn out and see the cadaverously thin celebrities. I think, actually, according to Reuters, the online engagement was up 40% or something. People just aren't watching this stuff on live TV or streaming platforms as much. And if you don't have Hulu, it's very hard to watch. And if you don't, if you're a cord cutter and you don't have Hulu, for one, and maybe you don't have the investment in the movies necessarily, but I just don't know that live TV is really that popular among the younger generation. That is the core of the theatergoers, as we've talked about on this podcast. But, you know, and the Grammys and the Globes were also down. There's just an ongoing decline in these kind of shows.

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The Oscars are still the number one primetime entertainment special.

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And I don't think that this number is egregious. I mean, the last few years have hovered around this 17 to 20 million range. It doesn't really seem like a dip so much as just part of a trend that we've seen in the last few years.

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Well, it's part of the same trend that has late night talk shows down. You know, people don't watch them live on their televisions. They watch them the next day on YouTube. And I'm perfectly guilty of. Of same, you know, and that's what I'm saying. A lot of people were watching the Oscars in clips on YouTube. You know, they were watching Amy Madigan on YouTube. Basically.

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Yeah, I didn't really watch the Grammys, but I watched clips on social media the next day.

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Exactly. So that's part of why. That's how I always watch the Grammys. That's part of why I think the Oscars have sort of, you know, succumbed to reality and signed up with YouTube in the first place when, when they, you know, but they have to get through ABC for a couple more years.

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It's, it's funny, when Autumn Gerald Arkhipow won, she said something to effect, you know, all the little girls watching are gonna have a great night. Because someone who looks like them on the screen, I'm like, honey, the little girls probably aren't watching and they're probably asleep.

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The moment when she said that she was on the, you know, shoulders of all the people, women who came before her, and she asked all the women in, in the, in the Dalby Theater to stand up. It was a great moment. It felt wonderful. I stood up. Every woman stood up and all the men were sitting down. I loved it. I did. Okay, so let's run through what we know about what the winners have coming up. Big winner Paul Thomas Anderson went from 14 nominations, no wins, to three Oscar statues. Do we know what's next, Ryan?

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We have no idea. One thing to say is that if you are on the campaign trail for a movie that you wrapped on the same year that your campaign started, and then you're. I mean, it's impossible to work. These can't, these people can't work and they're not getting paid to be campaigning, but it's a full time job. So I'm sure he has something in the works. But he's not going to tell anyone. It is. I mean, it took forever to unravel what one battle after another was going

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to be, and it took decades to get to get that where it needed to. And he writes his own things, so he has to write a screenplay in order to make a movie. Most of the. Has he ever directed anything he didn't write? I don't think so.

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Nope.

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Can't think of it.

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No.

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No.

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Not once. What about original screenplay winner Ryan Coogler? What's going on with him?

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He's got a lot going on. He's making Black Panther 3 as his next directing project after Sinners. And then X Files reboot on Hulu, which is. He's, like, developing and directing the pilot for that and writing, which is currently in active production.

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You know, one thing I'll say about the X Files reboot, which Hulu already rebooted disastrously with David Duchovn and Gillian Anderson. We just saw Chloe Zhao's Buffy Hulu series that completely foundered.

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That was predictable. Don't you think, Ryan?

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I think so.

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She's not a TV person. It shows me that her people and her. And she did not recognize. This has happened before where you have TV people trying to move into film and not understanding what it really requires and film people moving into tv, then the same thing. It's a specific set of skills and the opposite of what Chloe Zhao is.

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Right. You need to do coverage, which is something that auteurs that are on a film set aren't interested in doing. It seems like she has IP in her heart, but it didn't go well with the. With Eternals, so I'm really not surprised about that. I think a Coogler X Files reboot sounds interesting and I'm sure he can bring something fresh to it. But that is a series that they kept putting the defibrillators on, and it just got worse and worse over time. So I don't really know why we're going back there, but. Okay.

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So what's Jessie Buckley doing? She won Best Actress, obviously.

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Yeah. So Jessie Buckley, next up, she's going to be working with Alicia Rohr, which is very exciting.

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Love her.

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Yeah. With Sasha Ronan, Josh o', Connor, who of course was in. And then one of the most overrated talents that, as you know, for me, which is Dakota Johnson in the film Three Incestuous Sisters, which is from a kind of creepy children's book for adults. It's an illustrated novel by Audrey Niffenegar, who wrote the Time Traveler's Wife. And this is set up at Indian Paintbrush. This just got announced like three weeks ago.

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That actually sounds interesting. And I would also suggest to you that you may think that Dakota Johnson is less than, but she's also bankable. And in the end, the materialists did well. You know, it ended up being a hit.

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Yeah, well, the gelid quality that Johnson brings to everything she does was not really the reason they made it a hit. I think it was a hit because people are in love with the two guys who are extremely charismatic that are ping ponging around her.

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But people are attracted to Dakota Johnson.

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Now, of course, she's very, very hot

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in the old Hollywood parlance, forgive me, everyone, men want to fuck her. Okay? That's what it comes down to. You may not want to, darling.

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I don't. No, I don't. But if I did want to fuck any woman, Dakota Johnson to be at the top of the list. Okay? So, well, and speaking of Jessie Buckley, she just bombed in the Bride. And so the timing of that was. She's very fortunate that that came out after the Oscar.

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It's a blip. Everybody's forgotten it already.

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It's over. Completely dead.

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Even though it's going to lose $90 million for Warner Brothers. In a weird way, if you look at the, the wins, they had one battle, Weapons, sinners. This took a hit out of those profits.

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People are now already starting to argue that it's actually a great campy film. I just, I don't even want to hear that right now. In 10 years there'll be arguments and pieces saying, you know, we did so wrong by this movie. Probably written by an AI Chatbot or something. Anyways, what about best actor winner Michael B. Jordan?

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So Michael B. Jordan has a directing career as well as an acting career. And he had already directed Creed 3 and he's supposed to direct Creed 4. But what he's gonna do, what he's doing right now is directing the Thomas Crown Affair, the remake of the Thomas Crown Affair, which he is also starring in with Aubrey Plaza and Adria Arjona, who I love, I love both of those actresses. That's a good sign. I think that could turn out well. And then sporting actor winner Sean Penn, he turned up for a. Not at the Oscars, but at a photo shoot in the Ukraine to express his sense of what's important in the world. What's he doing now?

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He has nothing on the docket. I checked IMDb and I checked Luminate, which often has deeper cuts of upcoming projects. Yeah, he's in Ukraine right now. And I think he would have liquidated his Oscar anyway, as he did with the previous ones. Or he did just offer to do that.

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I don't know if he actually did that. That's a good question. We should find out.

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What about Amy Madigan? I mean, are scripts flying in her direction now?

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You know, in the past there have been a lot of examples of women who've won and nothing seemed to, you know, Kathy Bates complained that nothing happened and I think Diane Keaton complained that nothing happened. But in, in, in her case, she's got a couple of appearances on TV series Department of One and All the Sinners Bleed, two of which I've never heard of. And she stars for a very good director, James Ponsolt, in a movie called Sponsor, which is an Apple original film, and she plays the title role. So she helps to change the life of a recovering Jason Siegel. So. And what about history making cinematography winner Autumn Gerald Arkapaugh?

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She's also got the X Files reboot with Ryan Coogler. So I. Sorry, I'm sure I meant which obviously isn't in production. She's not working on that right now. She's another one who's been on the trail with this movie since back in March, but she's got it already has a really good resume of. She's done all of Giacopolism. Okay. I don't know if I call that really good. I actually think all of Giacopolo's movies have been bad.

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I'm afraid I'm with you.

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Yes, but she also, you know, she's worked with Derek's See in France and so forth as on Second Unit. And so I think she's going to have many offers coming her way.

25:51

No, no, I'm not. We're not worried about Arkhipa. We're not worried about her.

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All right, what's going on with Joachim Trier, who won international feature for Sentimental Value?

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I know they don't give it to the director, which is always confusing when you look things up on IMDb. But yes, he directed Sentimental Value and I had his partner, Eskel Folkt, on the writing panel in Santa Barbara, and he said that as of March16, which is the day after the Oscars, they would start the process of imagining a new Norwegian original film from scratch. It could take a year and they will have no trouble casting or financing it. I think they, they have a remarkably beautiful thing going that very. That many Hollywood people would envy in a way. I mean, they can do whatever they want. So what what do we expect from the K Pop Demon Hunters directors, Chris Apple Hands and Maggie Kang?

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It's pretty predictable they are returning for a sequel as they already have an exclusive writing and directing deal with Netflix Animation. So they're going to be working on K pop demon hunters 2, which we don't know anything about. I don't know if Huntrix is returning at this point. It would behoove them Netflix, I imagine, to give this a robust, a robust theatrical play that involves bringing Sony back in. I don't know the terms of that deal on a franchise level, but there's dump trucks of money to be made

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for this movie now that it has been established. I've heard Ted Sarandez explain how it wouldn't have worked to go theatrical with that movie right away, that it took a long time for it to build up, even on Netflix before it became a huge hit.

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I remember when it was first announced, I said to you, what in the algorithmic hell is K Pop Demon Hunters? It sounds like it was completely created in a. In a lab to cater to certain audiences on the streaming platform. But little did we know it was obviously the winner of.

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Well, I think this will be a test of your theory about Ted Sarandos attitude toward theatrical. This will be a very good test if he's willing to go there. I'd be curious to see what would happen.

27:58

All right, so what about the very handsome Ludwig Corenson, the composer of Sinners, who won his third Oscar after another Ryan Coogler movie, Black Panther? And then of course, Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer.

28:09

So he has worked with Christopher Nolan before. He did Tenet also, and therefore it is all too predictable that he's working on Chris Nolan's the Odyssey as well as Star wars, the Mandalorian and Grogu. He did the Mandalorian also back in the day, so he's in demand. He has now won three Oscars, which is. Is really remarkable and he deserves it. He's extraordinary. Now, you probably know the answer to this one. James Cameron, whose VFX team won for Avatar, Fire and Ash.

28:22

Yep. He is directing two more Avatar movies set for 2029.

28:54

Maybe we were hoping he wasn't.

28:59

We. We were. There was conversation about him passing the baton, but now he is intent at this point on directing them himself. But we're not going to see Avatar 4 till 2029 and then Avatar 5. God knows where it will be 2031.

29:01

I will say that I actually enjoy these movies and like them very much. I was speaking on your behalf there. But I'm a big, I'm a big James Cameron fan, so anything he does is. Is fine with me.

29:14

Yeah, I'm a fan up until Avatar.

29:26

I would like to see him do other things, though. This is getting. I mean, at least this last one became very repetitive and he would have to really change it up in the next one to make it interesting to me, I have to say that. So, Ryan, we have can to look forward to in May. That's really when the awards drum rolls will begin again. We have our passes, we have our plane tickets, we have our condo and the can. You know, Cannes had an enormous impact on the Oscars this year with two prize winners in best picture, one in Director, five acting nominations, and four of the five international features nominees. So you, you spoke to Terry Fuimo recently, right?

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Yeah, he gave me nothing about the festival. Yeah. Then he spoke about, you know, he's one of the people who signed the letter supporting Trisha Tuttle keeping her post at Berlin. You know, he's. He was saying that it's really important for these festivals to have state support. So that was looking kind of grim for. In Germany, but. And then obviously, you know, that's not really a for question. And can, you know, I'm just. Obviously we're going to unpack the lineup when that comes on April 9th. And some of our predictions, but it's not looking like there's big studio movies predicted to be at the festival.

30:10

So the, the one I'm disappointed that isn't going to be there is my buddy Ruben Ostland's. The entertainment system is down. I don't know why, but that's one of the movies that I'm most looking forward to. And it sounds like he's still working on it.

30:43

I'm worried about that one a little bit. Like two and a half hours, which is how long it'll be on an airplane is rough even for an actual flight. So I don't know. But Kirsten Dunst is in it, so, you know, she can do no wrong.

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We love Kirsten Dunst. So among the losers at the Oscars, we have Chalamet, who did not participate in the Dune 3 presser this week. And we got to see the new trailer. What do you think, Ryan? And what does he need to do to fix up his. His profile?

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I was going to say he needs to go away or take a step back, but he can't really do that because he needs to be on the Dune. You know, actually that is a movie that, I mean, that's going to make tons of money. It doesn't need press ops with him necessarily. I don't know. Do they go to Comic Con or something? I don't even know.

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They probably more overseas stuff. Probably.

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Right, right. And I don't know that it'll be at any festivals or anything. It's a December 18th release. We, you and I have different feelings about this particular franchise, but I'm trying to be optimistic. The other element of it, of course, is Zendaya's returning. There'll be. We're going to see more of Lea Seydoux's character, more of Florence Pugh's character, actually.

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I thought the trailer looked fabulous, I have to say.

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It does. Sure, it looks good.

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We like Denis Villeneuve. We like him. And it sounds like it's going in a different direction from the last one, getting darker and nastier and more. If there's too much war, that could be annoying. We'll see. We'll see. Too much action. It sounds like there's more action in this one from what I can gather. All right, so Leonardo DiCaprio with the mustache at the Oscars. There's a reason for that mustache. It's for his character in the next Martin Scorsese movie, which is an Apple Original Films thriller, what happens at night. And he co stars with Jennifer Lawrence and it's adapted from Peter Cameron's novel and it's shooting in the Czech Republic. And then they've shared a first look image today, the day we're recording anyway, Thursday. So I actually have to go look at that. I haven't seen that. So I'm excited about that. Of course, one of my favorite moments in the Oscar show to go back to that was a long ass hug between DiCaprio and Michael Jordan. I was very touched by that.

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Yeah, I'm excited about this Scorsese movie. I'm sure it's got an insane budget. It's at Apple Original Films. And it's again, Scorsese treading into gothic horror territory. I've kind of looked at the book and so it's, you know, it'll be a departure or maybe sort of a hark back to like Shutter island in that regard. It's also a marriage story and the screen. You know, I love Patrick Marber, the screenwriter. He's written some of my favorite plays and favorite screenplays. Like he wrote the script for Notes on a Scandal, which I. One of my favorite movies.

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That's a great one.

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I love that movie. Yeah. So. Oh, you know, actually recently I interviewed Andre Gregory of My Dinner With Andre fame because he has a play here in New York called what We Did Before. At Moth Days, he let it slip that he is also in this movie.

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So before we go, we both want to recommend a movie for you to see this weekend. And I think we agree on the same movie because we've already talked about it and we love it. It's Project Hail Mary.

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I don't know if I love it, but I do like it a lot. So yes, please go see it.

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Okay, off we go. Until next week.

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Talk to you then.

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