The Mello Millionaire with Tommy Mello

How 28-Year-Old Founder Matthew Iommi Made His Own Luck

28 min
Oct 10, 20256 months ago
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Summary

Matthew Iommi, 28-year-old CEO of FETI (an on-demand group rideshare platform), discusses how he scaled a party bus side hustle into a venture-backed startup with 200+ vehicles and 200,000+ monthly passengers. He emphasizes that success requires deliberate action, strategic team building, and vision-driven goal setting rather than luck.

Insights
  • Luck is the byproduct of consistent effort and positioning yourself in high-opportunity situations; success requires deliberate action, not passive waiting
  • Team building and delegation are more critical to scaling than individual founder capability; acquiring entrepreneurial talent that doesn't need micromanagement accelerates growth exponentially
  • Product-market fit validation through organic growth (party bus business) provided proof of concept that enabled successful fundraising and expansion into adjacent markets
  • Trust-based investor relationships built on transparency about challenges (not just wins) create better advisory value and reduce governance friction
  • Reverse-engineering from a clear long-term vision and ruthlessly prioritizing opportunities prevents founder distraction and enables disciplined capital allocation
Trends
Group mobility and shared transportation becoming viable alternative to single-occupancy rideshare in college and metro marketsAutonomous vehicle insurance costs predicted to drop 30% below commercial auto premiums, accelerating fleet operator adoption timelinesUser-generated content and community association driving organic marketing ROI for consumer mobility platforms targeting Gen Z and millennialsData monetization opportunities in mobility (user movement patterns, destination insights) creating secondary revenue streams beyond core transportationVenture capital focus on operational efficiency and unit economics over pure growth metrics, with investor emphasis on sustainable business modelsFounder-investor alignment through trust and transparent communication becoming competitive advantage in Series A+ fundraisingCollege campuses as beachhead markets for consumer tech due to concentrated user density and organic viral adoption potential
Topics
Group rideshare platform scaling and market expansionVenture capital fundraising and investor relationsTeam building and talent acquisition for startupsProduct-market fit validation and customer discoveryAutonomous vehicle economics and insurance implicationsUser-generated content marketing and brand buildingData monetization in mobility and transportationCollege market as beachhead for consumer platformsFounder mindset and vision-driven goal settingOperational efficiency and cost management at scaleCharter transportation industry disruptionAdvertising and sponsorship revenue in mobilityFounder delegation and leadership scalingBusiness acquisition and growth through leverage
Companies
FETI
On-demand group rideshare platform founded by Matthew Iommi; operates 200+ vehicles across 6 states, transporting 200...
Y Combinator
Early-stage investor in FETI; provided capital and portfolio network access to successful software companies for advi...
Uber
Referenced as comparison point for FETI's disruption model in charter transportation industry
Airbnb
Y Combinator portfolio company cited as example of successful early-stage investment outcomes
DoorDash
Y Combinator portfolio company cited as example of successful early-stage investment outcomes
Instacart
Y Combinator portfolio company cited as example of successful early-stage investment outcomes
Dropbox
Y Combinator portfolio company cited as example of successful early-stage investment outcomes
OpenAI
Referenced for talent acquisition strategy; paying $100M sign-on bonuses to top AI talent
Tesla
Referenced for autonomous vehicle adoption and battery/charging infrastructure implications for fleet operators
MGM Television
Investor Barry Posnick (president) joined FETI round; supports media and content strategy vision
Anheuser Busch
Brand partner for multi-market national campaigns and vehicle wrapping advertisements
Boston Beer
Brand partner for promotions and advertising campaigns with FETI
People
Matthew Iommi
28-year-old CEO and co-founder of FETI; Forbes 30 Under 30 entrepreneur; built party bus into venture-backed rideshar...
Justin Rav
Co-founder of FETI; known Matthew since high school; co-founder of previous ventures before FETI
Mark Cuban
Lead investor in FETI's $7M+ funding round; hands-off investor with strong work ethic and responsive advisory support
Tommy Mello
Host of The Mello Millionaire podcast; home services entrepreneur with 500-vehicle fleet; discussed autonomous vehicl...
Scott McFarlane
FETI investor; former Air Force officer; provides strategic support to the company
Barry Posnick
President of MGM Television; FETI investor; supports media and content strategy vision
Ben Horowitz
Author of 'The Hard Thing About Hard Things'; cited by Matthew as influential book on entrepreneurial challenges
Warren Buffett
Subject of 'The Snowball' biography; referenced for fundamental investing and long-term value creation principles
Elon Musk
Referenced for Tesla investment strategy and bringing companies to scale through significant capital deployment
Mark Zuckerberg
Referenced for maintaining purpose and continued growth after early success with Facebook
Tom Anderson
MySpace founder; referenced for recognizing market bubble and pivoting to personal passion (photography)
Joseph Cops
FETI advisor; former Army officer; entrepreneur who found business similar to military mission focus
Quotes
"The same people that ask you why you work so much are the same people that they're going to ask you why you keep getting so lucky."
Matthew IommiOpening segment
"We bring the experience of group transportation with the efficiency of rideshare."
Matthew IommiBusiness description
"By grouping up groups and allowing them to ride together, we're completely removing single occupancy vehicles and attacking the problem at its source."
Matthew IommiProduct value proposition
"The importance of the team you're building... the bandwidth you have is really not as great as you once thought. It's even more important to spend time and focus building out a great team so that you can get further."
Matthew IommiAdvice section
"A lot of people spend their time wanting things in life... what's even more important is acting on it and doing those things that will produce what you want."
Matthew IommiClosing thoughts
Full Transcript
A lot of people get frustrated and become victims when they think to themselves, why aren't things happening and why am I not achieving what I want and they need to understand and see where their time and their mental focus is directed towards. And it's quit saying you got lucky. The same people that ask you why you work so much are the same people that they're going to ask you why you keep getting so lucky. Yeah. Innovative, remarkable, cutting edge. As the Forbes 30 under 30 entrepreneur, Matthew Iomey is the CEO and co-founder of FETI, an on-demand rideshare company. We were doing to the charter transportation industry, what Uber did to the taxi industry. Based in Austin, Texas, FETI has become known as the Uber for groups, creating smarter ways for friends, classmates and communities to get from point A to point B. We bring the experience of group transportation with the efficiency of rideshare. At only 28 years old, Matthew built FETI with a sharp focus on serving college students to make group travel more accessible, affordable and efficient on campuses across the country. By grouping up groups and allowing them to ride together, we're completely removing single occupancy vehicles and attacking the problem at its source. Get ready. This episode will change the way you think about modern day entrepreneurship. All right guys, welcome back to the mellow millionaire. Today's going to be a lot of fun. We're still in Austin and I'm sitting here with the CEO and founder of FETI, the on-demand group rideshare platform that's reducing congestion while reuniting people on the move. A Texas A&M graduate with a razor sharp eye for opportunity. He organically grew FETI from a party bus business to a thriving startup backed by shark tanks Mark Cuban. Matthew leads with four-site grit and an act for building game changing solutions. Let's just start out with what you're excited about. What got you here? Oh, by the way, there's a rainstorm if you guys are watching this video, so he's not this sweaty. I didn't just sweat or just take a shower, I promise. Yeah. Number one, really excited to be here and get a chat with you. But overall, just there's so much optimism going on. As you mentioned, we just raised around that was led by Mark Cuban. And his kind of whole mantra is that he's a capitalist and he looks at America as the prime place to take advantage of opportunity. I listen to Mark Cuban all the time. And he said, you know what, if you become a billionaire, you got lucky along the road. And I agree with that. Like there's some things that had to go right. The people that walked in, you put yourself in the right situations, but you're right. Being an American is such that alone is a massive opportunity. So tell me a little bit about the business, you know, FETI, how you got started, what's your goals are, where you see the future heading and what gets you excited when you wake up. Yeah. So it started when I was a senior at Texas A&M University. Prior to starting what has become FETI, I was always entrepreneurial looking for different opportunities, especially with Justin Rav who I've known since high school, who's my co-founder at FETI, but also a co-founder and previous ventures that we've had. And so we had a few ventures prior that saw some traction, but never really achieved product market fit. And so along the way, we learned a lot. And so my senior year, I came across of all things a Facebook marketplace ad for a party bus, and I reached out to Justin. I said, look, there's this really interesting opportunity of this party bus that's being sold. It's just one party bus. It's nothing is set up. In terms of, they just have a phone that they tell their customer base, which was primarily Texas A&M students, to text. And if you want the bus rolls up, you pay five dollars per person cash, and it'll take you to the bar, the nightlife district, the event, whatever it may be, birthday party. But what was really interesting to us is that they were able to make a few thousand each month with nothing set up. And so we were, we thought, hey, let's take everything we've learned. We know how to throw up a website, create a booking system, do some really good marketing, automate things, and it could just be a side business, a side that we start. And so we reached out to them, we were able to set up a negotiation, and ultimately we're able to pay this thing with limited down payment just on an owner finance plan. And so we said, okay, the goal is we execute this deal. And how much was this bus? The business itself was 14,000. We didn't have 14. I mean, we were just students. We didn't have 14,000. And we were just betting on ourselves that we could create and grow this small amateur party bus business into something that could take care of the monthly financials to repay the owner, right, buying the business as well as make profit to be able to reinvest into grow bigger. And so we did that. We executed on that. What was one bus turned to five buses and quickly we realized that there was a real need for efficient and convenient group transportation. Prior to FETI, there were two ways for groups to travel. The first one was to split the group up and just take multiple ubers, lifts, personal vehicles, waymos now, whatever it may be. The other option that they had was to reserve a charter vehicle days or weeks in advance, pay a three to five hour minimum for maybe a 15, 20 minute trip to where they want to go and have no payment flexibility wherever, you know, you have to pay a down deposit in an arm and a leg just to be able to ride together. And so Justin and I, my co-founder, we thought, well, why don't we take these high capacity vehicles and incorporate ride share technology into them so that groups can ride together with the same affordability, convenience and accessibility as typical ride share. And that hadn't been done before. And so we started developing the platform, the driver app, the user app, and the backend. And before you know, it just really caught steam. And College Station became the go to transportation for young adults, everything from concerts, football games, nightlife, anything like that. And so, and you could drink on the bus. You can drink on the vehicle. Yeah. So, and then there's OX, everything. It's just a really good experience that we're providing to our customers and our users. And so we thought, okay, this is working great in a college town of College Station. Will this replicate to a Metro? So, we launched in Austin in 2021. And really quickly, it took steam again. I mean, became viral. And one really cool thing about the business is that whenever we convert one customer, you're also converting 10, 11, 12, 13 that also experience the product because they're riding with the booker. It was a what they call a hockey stick growth curve. We got a lot of attention. We ended up getting an investment from Y Combinator. They're the first investors in Airbnb, DoorDash, Instacar, Dropbox, things of that sort. And so they took notice. They liked what we were doing. We got accepted into that, got an investment, continued to grow. At that point, we were in about four markets. And then Mark Cuban took notice of us. And the way he, the way we got on his radar is that his daughter was a huge fan and user of our product. So, it's funny. His daughter reached out to us, and she goes to Vanderbilt. But of course, during the summers and whatnot, she's in Dallas. And she reached out to us and said, Hey, we would love this at Vanderbilt. Can you come out? And I said, you know, we're going to do our best. We're raising some capital and we'll see what we can do. Anyways, she goes to her dad, explains the product. He sees the vision. He loves it. He reaches out, ask how he can get involved. We raise a little bit over seven million with him leading the round. And then off to the races again, continue growing, continue expanding. Now we're in six states. We transport over 200,000 passengers a month. And the goal is just continued expansion, continue being able to provide and deliver this service to groups all across the country and hopefully the world. So how many vehicles you have out there? A little over 200 growing week over week. In tech, I know AI is getting 30, 40 X on ARR. What are you guys striving to get to as far as a multiple as this continues to grow? Where do you think you're going to land? There's a lot of movement and activity within the mobility space and just in general tech that allows us to increase the potential and the valuation for a variety of reasons. One, you brought up as AI, right? Well, what's really interesting is Fetty holds treasure grows and mass amounts of data because we understand where people are going, right? Who they're traveling with and when they're moving. And so we're able to utilize that data to not only improve operational internal efficiencies, but also in the future allow us to give suggestions and recommendations to users and to other other partners. We do have an advertising revenue. How are you guys scaling the marketing? What seems to be the best ROI? Yeah. So what's really nice about Fetty is that inherently the product whenever it's used, it's associated with good times, right? We do have a heavy demographic base of young young millennials and Gen Z. These are people who are typically congregating in groups and going out together. And so just naturally whenever they use our product, there's a really good associated feeling with it because they're going to a special event. They're all riding together. They're having a good time. And because of that, user generated content has skyrocket for us. Right. They're in the vehicles. They're tagging us. They're sharing pictures, videos putting us on our Instagram stories, everything like that. Now what we did is we kind of took that really positive association with the brand. And what do they want to see? They want to see themselves. Yeah. They want to see what other people that the same demographic are doing. And so it's been something really exciting to see and as part of that in the recent round, one of our investors that came on is Barry Posnick. And he's the president of MGM television. And he really saw the vision and understanding of what we kind of frame as Fetty media. So we kind of say there's Fetty. There's Fetty ride, which is a rideshrap. There's Fetty media in the future. There's Fetty AI. So it's kind of this encompassing umbrella corporation that's using everything that we've accumulated to create some really stand out products. We've done large multi market national campaigns with Anheuser Bush, Boston beer, wrapping the vans in app advertisements in vehicle advertisements, live golf. We've done promotions for different things like that. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of opportunity. Well, I want to run an idea by you that I've been working on. Let's hear it. It's very rough. A lot of people have solar, a lot of them have the Tesla batteries. The biggest problem I see is these Teslas and every other vehicle, the ride shares, they need to go to a station. Now, if you go to install the fast chargers of some more solar, they got the extra energy in the banks as long as you get the fast charger. Imagine an autonomous car pulling up. I don't have it all worked out yet. But the big thing is you could get a lot like now I got to turn off. I can't run any longer because I got to make it back to the charging station. That might be hours and hours of wasted time. Right. So what have individuals just wanted to say, hey, listen, come use mine. You pay a little bit of a premium, but you get more efficiency out of it. Coincidentally, today I had a call where I got to get some insight into the actual insurance prices for autonomous versus your typical commercial auto premium. Now commercial auto is increasing year over year. Personal auto as well. The insight that I got is the actual areas and the data are starting to catch up to what autonomous safety really is all about. And it's predicting next year, they're going to be 30% cheaper now than commercial auto with a person behind. And so exactly to your point, that trend is going down significantly, which changes the landscape completely. Right. I mean, if you're removing and decreasing the primary cost of transportation, not only for businesses, but it'll be for personal. Oh, yes. Well, that's going to increase adoption a lot quicker than if that wasn't the case. I mean, listen, I have a fleet of about 500 vehicles. I might go to autonomous. I mean, literally that saves a lot because it takes the driving. Fact is, I sent a group message out to all my guys and I was like, guys, you had four violations. You were, you spent through a step or just didn't stop all the way. Like these things matter. And as you scale, especially with the numbers you're talking about for your business, just the likelihood increases. Yeah, you have to do everything in your, everything in your control to limit those claims. Because in this stage, one really kind of, what they call nuclear verdict or a nuclear claim can change your entire business. What's a piece of game changing advice you wish you had known in early 20s? Piece of advice that I wish I'd known early 20s or at least before I started this. The importance of the team you're building, I think it's common for a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of people getting into business to think because of my capabilities and my skills, I'll be able to achieve the results that I want to achieve. But really quickly, as you find success, you start to understand that the bandwidth you have is really not as great as you once thought. And it's even more important to spend time and focus building out a great team so that you can get further. There's that, you know, if you want to go something go a little bit. I say delegate to hell of it. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's something that if I had learned earlier, maybe we would be in a further season, we are now, but it's definitely something that I understand now. Investing and building a team is probably one of the most crucial aspects to growing a business that I can think of. Open AI, I mean, Matt is paying $100 million. Now, there's only probably seven people they would want to get to pay that, but a sign on bonus of 100 million because what Matt is doing and open AI is doing, they're building something that's never been done before. It's like, grand bell when he invented the telephone, I brought that up. I can get a really good AI guy for a half a million. But the deal is what these guys could build, you know, home services so weird because it's a blue collar industry, but when you apply, I always say we're a technology company that does garage doors. Okay. I mean, we've got things power BI dashboards and these crazy reporting and just we know things. We know if you arrived on your job on time, we know how long you spent building report. I've got tools that sits there with you. And it's recording the conversation saying how many words per minute were you talking, how much did you talk during the conversation? Did you follow the script? I mean, there is going to be a clear winner. So this is like, everybody is venture capitalists. They're taking a chance because they only need to get it right one out of 15 times and the payouts ridiculous. So I mean, what I would say is your ability to acquire a talent that's beyond work on your superpowers and acquire the best talent for it can possible and get out of your own way. Most of the time, the founders, the bottleneck and that's one of the things that in my kind of leadership method is making sure that we're acquiring and putting together a team of entrepreneurs, of go getters, of killers that don't need to be micromanaged, don't need to be babysat. They're entrepreneurs, right? And I think that's a really important aspect of when you're acquiring that team or putting together that team of people who aren't there just for a nine to five or just for a salary. And so that's something that we've done really well. And it obviously helps when you've got great traction, a great prod, a great market fit, great investors behind you to really sell the vision and put together that killer team. So if you had to start over, let's just say you're 17, 18 and you got 10 million dollars. Was it Bitcoin? Is it real estate? Is it investing in a business? Is it just going out there? Like what are you doing with it? I think I'm buying a business that is experiencing, that is in a market that's experiencing rapid growth, not just for the financial benefits that and rewards that could come from that, but the amount of quality content that you can learn, kind of coming into a business and understanding the bottlenecks that it has and coming up with innovative ways to remove those bottlenecks and just push the acceleration even further. And I think that even goes back, it'd be essentially what I did with the party bus company, but at a larger scale, right? I would, so that 10 million could buy a larger, more established company, let's say, in an AI or whatever it is in real estate. I would find something there I would purchase or invest to have a controlling stake in a smaller business and then really kind of grow that it's similar to what must have with Tesla, right? He did a significant investment later, took it and brought it to what it is now. I love this game. You know, I'm learning so much and I've learned over the last five years about how money works and you add in these factors of understanding business and marketing and sales and then you understand technology automation and then you start to get back and really understand like arbitrage and multiples and leverage. Then you've heard this, there'll be other opportunities and you're going to say this is a gold mine, but there's only one of you. So ruthless prioritization, ruthless, I agree. Saying no needs to become your superpower. I agree. Say no. Pick at a discipline focus. Exactly. I totally agree. The biggest thing I see with most entrepreneurs is they dream too small. How did you get in the idea of dreaming bigger and reverse engineering that gold to know what you need to do today? I think you bring a spot on point that you're not going to get to a destination that you want by luck or blindly and by accident rather. Yeah. Get so I just woke up and now I've achieved everything that I wanted. You have to visualize that. Manifested. Exactly. Then you go backwards and how do I get there? How do I raise the money? How do I get users? You just go backwards. So I think the biggest key is understanding that vision, visualizing it and then learning as much as possible to understand what it'll take to get to that endpoint. So I think that's a big thing that a lot of people to your point. They see the the fancy Corvette or they see them declaring and they're just like, okay, that's what I want. And they wake up empty without purpose. And I think we all need purpose. And Gina Whitman wrote a book called Shine about this where he woke up very, very wealthy. Sold EOS the whole concept world run out vest training you could do for management. And he just felt empty. The note to you would be there will be a time like Mark Zuckerberg. See Tom did it right with my space. He's like, this shit's going to bubble. So he sold out now. He's a photographer on the road. But that's his passion. Well, with Mark too. Mark said, I'm going to keep rolling. He took on some investors, but he still got purpose. So just remember, I got like you, you go rebuild and do the stuff. But man, your team or your camaraderie. So if you ever get a chance to say, listen, I just I want to be involved. I don't care if I'm the janitor. I just want to show open up purpose. No, I agree completely. And and it's something that a lot of people don't there. There was this, I wish I remember which entrepreneur it was, but he sold his company for for I want to say he was either hundreds of millions or even a billion plus granted that's not what he kept, but that's what he sold it for. And he and and he decided to start another company. And somebody came to him and said, you know, you're crazy. Why are you doing this again? You've got all the money. Why would you put yourself through this again? And he said, look, I'll tell you why once I sold the company and I had all this money, my life became really boring because I was done being in these circles where people were wanting to discuss, collaborate, build, come to me. And now you're on this island with a lot of money looking for purpose, looking old, maybe the bigger house will do it for me. You know, you're spot on in in terms of you always have to have a mission. And and we've got one of our advisors is Joseph cops or he was in the army. Another of our investors was in the air force. And when I talk to them and they're both entrepreneurs now. And when I talk to them, they they tell me, look, when I left military service, the closest thing I could find to that mission focus, that team focus, even some of the adrenaline was creating a business. Well, I'll tell you this, not a lot of people can't stomach it. I'm all about the farm on myself every day. We're willing to change. We're willing to we're not too dumb to just say if we're headed off course, which you will be at times, to get back in and try something new. Well, the business needs to change, but also you need to continue. You need to grow exactly. The law of the lid says you and your team is as fast the company's going to grow that when that lid grows, the company begins to grow. Yeah. And the latest fans. Yeah. And it is, you know, it just goes. You're dead on it. The fact that you're 28. I mean, look, when I was 28, I was working my ass off. I was still running calls. And I didn't know how to work on the business that old cliche. What do you think changed? But well, first and foremost, I got on the right software and all of a sudden I was with these people in H.Vac that all had private plants. And I got introduced to the right circle. Okay. Also, when I realized, as these guys are devouring books, the more you invest in yourself, you focus, you grow. The more frequent you got lucky. Well, yeah, there's a lot of opportunities, but I'll tell you this. I learned not to say no to some of them because one of these, but one of the things I'll tell you that I've been studying a lot is be careful who you take investments from. And if you're not performing at the level that we all committed to, we've got a prenup here. But this is going to dissolve your ownership. And here's how it's going to work. And this is the exit agreement. The reason I asked is because he's exactly like pop. Tell me a little bit about him. Tell me a little bit about some of the investors. Yeah. So Mark Cuban is our largest investor aside from Justin and I, the co-founders. And exactly to your point, very hands off. He trusts that we're able to man the ship. And that's the reason why he invested. He's not looking to start running new businesses. With that being said, whenever you need something, his work ethic is phenomenal in the sense that you could send him an email. And whether it's at night, whether it's on a weekend, I don't know what his setup is. I don't know if he's an author, there's just his phone or whatever it is, but he's always there, which we really value. And then we have Y Combinator, who I mentioned. They're just a great overall team. And they've been really influential in connecting us to other resources. And what's really cool about Y Combinator is they've got a huge portfolio of successful, especially software companies. So there's always somebody to reach out to through your advisor, through your actual, whether it's a board advisor or a board member to connect. And so they've been really influential. I mentioned one of our larger investors as well, his name's Scott McFarlane. He served in the Air Force. He's been just a great supporter of the company as well. And I would say a lot of these investors that we bring on, one of the key components is trust. That's where everything's built. Speed of trust is a great book. Is it? Yeah. I think if you have trust with your shareholders, they they're not going to be like, Hey, we need to come into the office. We need to, you know, make sure everything's being run. We need these reports today. We need, it's more so. That trust is there. One thing too, you touched on it is that trust is also built when you come to them with the hard questions, with the things that aren't working in the business. If you just go to them and say, Hey, everything's good. We reach records number, you know, they have a BS meter and they know that they've done this before. Not everything is always good. And so when I come to them, and I say, Hey, we're having trouble in this market or we need help reconfiguring our insurance policies or anything of like that. That allows them to your point, exploit them and give them the opportunity to really provide meaningful advice and resources. Rapid fire for courses will close out. Who's the better customer? Calls kids or corporations. I like college kids because you're less dependent on one certain contract to keep your business afloat. What's your company's best idea that came from just talking to a customer? Probably the best idea was our payment processing feature. We utilize, we're one of the only rideshare companies that utilize a QR check-in system. So whenever the vehicle comes, each person will scan a QR code on the FETI app that allows them to pay solely for their fare, rather for the whole group. What that allows us to do is increase the accessibility of the service so that if you're riding with a group, you don't have to pay up front. Granted, I know you can afford it, but you don't have to pay up front 100 to 150 dollars. Rather, you can just pay your $5, $6 to get on and everyone else can pay for themselves. That opens a lot of success for us. Any books that were game changers for you in your life, I'm sure there's a lot, but what's one major book? I probably say the hard thing about hard things. I really hope I didn't botched that title, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Ben Horowitz wrote that and it follows his journey especially early on when he was starting companies alongside Mark and Dreson and kind of the tribulations that he experienced. Another one is the snowball effect and that's the biography on Warren Buffett. That's a great one to understand just the overall macro economic game of fundamental investing and I don't say investing in the sense of just putting your money into the stock market, which I think is a great thing to do, but also just understanding what makes a company valuable and what makes it fundamentally valuable, not just something that has a lot of hype and that just a lot of money is flowing into, but something that can last for generations. So, I talked about a lot of things here. I'm going to allow you to give us one final thought with the audience to close us out. I would say that a lot of people spend their time wanting things in life and I think it's very crucial to understand and self-reflect that it's great to want things in life and it's important, but what's even more important is acting on it and doing those things that will produce what you want. I think a lot of people get frustrated and become victims when they think to themselves, why aren't things happening and why am I not achieving what I want and they need to understand and take a look back and see where their time and their mental focus is directed towards. Ben's quit saying you got lucky. Yeah, the same people that ask you about you work so much or the same people that are going to ask you why you keep getting so lucky. Yeah. Matthew, I appreciate you very much. This is a pleasure. Thank you. All right guys, thanks so much for listening to this episode. Like always, we're going to close it out with the Tommy Truth, which is a little slice of wisdom from me to you that can help guide you in whatever you're striving towards right now. So a lot of people come up to me when they're early on a business and they say, how do we get access to cash flow? And it's very difficult. Number one, when you start a business, I very rarely would suggest you start a business and quit your day job. I would have a plan going into there where you've got a second income coming in, or maybe your significant other does. Number two, make sure I've got great credit. Those access to credit cards, I don't recommend you use them all the time, but it's great to have there that if you borrow a dollar, you can put two dollars into the business. The main goal should be not have access to a lot of money. Because when you do, you make much bigger mistakes. When you get access to the money, you'll know all the mistakes you made early on and you'll be better for it. And that's it guys. We'll talk to you next week.