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An actress, a singer, a podcaster, an author, a mother, and a former bar hostess who somehow flipped her struggling Hollywood dreams into an empire bigger than she ever could have imagined. Her time on Vanderpump Rules threw her into the spotlight, but it's her dedication to turn lemons into lemonade that made her a long-term fan favorite and the star of another show, Bravo's The Valley, which she currently calls home alongside best friend and crucial piece of the Scandaval puzzle, Tom Schwartz. She's as open on social media as a Chinese restaurant on Christmas, candid about her sobriety, cosmetic upgrades, and the beauty empire she's built, evolving from famous party girl into unscripted TV's cool older sister. But if you ask me, underneath the hip, beautiful exterior must live an awkward teenager just waiting to overshare with me. So this week on Teen Beat, I am thrilled to sit down with Lala Kent. Wow, that was like the most spectacular intro I think I've ever had in my life. I love it. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Yes, I'm so happy to have you. I have to ask, as someone very fresh off the Dancing with the Stars live tour, I have to ask, How did you grow up in Utah and avoid ballroom dancing? You know, that never, that is so funny you ask that because that was actually like a main credit in junior high. And my dearest friend, after we graduated and, you know, we were done with, with our school years, she actually went back to teach ballroom and I just could never get into it. I don't know if I'm just, I'm just, I, I like to think that I, I can move and I like to think that I'm athletic until I try. And I'm like, Oh, I am so awkward. In my, in my mind's eye, Utah's just filled with ballroom dancers everywhere you turn. I mean, it just seems like that's a breeding ground for ballroom dancers. So it's totally true. Yeah. It's, it's pretty, I mean, I, I know that it's supposed to be because I think BYU added it as a major and then basically it just kind of, it took off. Yes. I like to be the rebel. Even now, like when everyone's raving about a TV show, I wait until no one raves about it and then watch it. Yeah. You know what? I'm not, I'm not that much different than you. I also am that way. If someone, if everyone's making a big fuss about something, I'm like, okay, everyone's settled down. I'm not trying to go against the grain. Like I'm like, look, I'm willing to watch it. I just don't want to watch it while it's all the rage. Exactly. I wait for things to kind of calm down. So now that I'm out of Utah, maybe I'll get into ballroom dancing. Well, would you ever do Dancing with the Stars? I have always said that that would be the one show that I would say no to. And here's why. Listen to me Dancing with the Stars because I'm so intimidated by it. Really? Yes. It would take me out of my comfort zone in such a way that I think I'd have a panic attack. Yeah. But this new mindset that I have taken on where it's like, I want to be uncomfortable. Now I want to say if that opportunity presented itself, I think I would be all in for the mere fact that I want to feel uncomfortable so badly. Yeah. You'll definitely feel uncomfortable. Yeah. I mean, I loved every single second of it, but there's no doubt that it is, you know, it can be uncomfortable and you are working your butt off. And if you're like me and have, I had never even taken a dance class before doing Dancing with the Stars. So like I was starting from zero, zero. And so, yeah, you're out of your comfort zone. And then, you know, I am, I'm a perfectionist. And so for me, having the cameras on all the time and being miked all the time, which you are probably used to, I am not. I felt like, okay, you know what? I could really actually learn this dance if we got the cameras out of here and we got this mic off of me. But like, it just feels so weird to know you are being watched while you're learning something that's very vulnerable. You know what though? even though I am used to being mic'd and just like living and existing, it's similar to like, if you were to mic me and put a camera on, if I were going on a date, I can't do this. Even though I think I know how, if you're watching and listening to everything, it would be the same with dancing. And I remember seeing you at the iHeart party, and this was probably in October. And you said it was the most difficult thing you've ever done, but you were having the time of your life. You had pulled a hamstring or something. You're exactly right. Yeah. I remember that. I had just come off of a massive injury and I was like, don't want to ever stop. Going to do it every day for the rest of my life. Yes, you were having the best time. And you know what? I think if I allowed myself to say, you're going to be uncomfortable, but you're going to do it, I would feel so accomplished. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely would. Well, I really do think you would be quite an asset on the show. And I think knowing how incredible the show was for me, I would love for you to have that experience as well. So I'm fingers crossed that we are manifesting that for you. I love manifesting. And in this time of incredible eclipse, you know, we're in an eclipse. And so now is the time to bring forth all of the things from our future selves. So who knows what we're manifesting for you. I love it. I know your dad had been a part of the Mormon church, but he left before you were born. What was it like growing up surrounded by the LDS community, but not actually being a part of it. Was it harder for you to make friends? Do you think? It was strange and it was difficult because even though my dad left the Mormon church when he was 22, which was well before I came into the world, there were so many things that you could tell, and I'm trying to be very respectful, that he clearly had been told his entire life that were not good and that's evil and don't do that. Where it was almost like I had to coach my dad through those moments of like, it's all good, man. Like, let it go. This is not determining whether you go to the highest kingdom of heaven or not. But I kind of gravitated towards people who also didn't have Mormon families. And you know, my mom was raised very Christian and my dad was raised very Mormon. And I think they came together and thought, let's just raise our kids with spirituality. That was very heavy in my household is we said our prayers every single night. When things got tough, we turned to God, but it wasn't in a way that is organized religion, if that makes any sense. Yes. And you know, my mom didn't, my mom didn't try to keep us away from the Mormon church. If I had a group of friends in elementary school and they went to Young Women's and they invited me, my mom would say, go. Like have fun. I didn't even realize that it was like a Mormon thing. It wasn't until my grandmother took my little brother to church one Sunday and he came home with a matching game, which was basically the sequence of events that happens, right? Which was like, go on a mission, temple marriage. And that's when my mom said, we will no longer be sending these kids to anything that has to do with this church. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. My parents were kind of similar. Both my parents were raised pretty strict Catholic. Okay. And so they had been kind of indoctrinated into this idea that to be a spiritual or a God believing in family, you also had to be a part of the Catholic church. And that meant, you know, school, I went to, I can't even remember the name of it now, but I went to that school where every Wednesday we had to learn about Catholicism, catechism, we went to that every Wednesday and we went to church every Sunday. And my brother and I complained about it every single week. And my parents, to their credit, realized they also really did not want to be doing this. They were only doing it out of guilt and the way they had been raised. And so they realized like, I don't think the organized religion part of this is what we're believing in. I think it's just a belief in God. And so my parent, we similarly, um, no longer went to the Catholic church. And for us, it was a moment when my grandfather realized, um, there was like some issue with the, he was paying for school and something happened where he realized all they care about is money. This Catholic, the Catholic church is a money-making enterprise. And that was it. He was done. He was done with the Catholic church after that. Once you see things for what they are, it is very hard to unsee. Yes, that is true. Mormons are very visible in pop culture right now. Did you ever expect so much of Utah to also end up in Hollywood? Not at all. I remember being at the very first BravoCon in New York. And then I remember seeing Andy in the green room and he was like, you're going to die. Guess who we're announcing today as the new city? Salt Lake. And I was thrilled about it because when I already knew what Housewives was like, and I'm like, now you're going to add that crazy religion to the mix. Oh, this is going to be good. And then once the Mormon Wives show came out, it was like, everyone's talking about the skincare and the hair routine and the bleaching for the teeth and the swig with the, you know, coffee mate in it. I never expected that. And it's crazy to look, look at it because it's something that I recognize, but I'm not close to, if that makes sense. It feels very, very familiar and very triggering because although in my day-to-day with my friend group, none of us were raised LDS, but when I went to my grandma's house on my dad's side, it was very, very clear that we were the black sheep of the family. Right. You know, and I noticed that as I got older and, um, I remember bringing my boyfriend to family dinner and he and I had to leave because I had theater practice. Like I, I needed to, to go in, uh, to my high school and rehearse something. And my grandma was so concerned that I was going to be gay because I was in the arts. And it was like, so isn't that the strangest thing you've ever heard? And as I got, God, as I left with my like six, four hunk of a boyfriend, by the way, I'm like, what you should be worried about is if I'm going to go him. He's taking me to my high school rehearsal and I'm going to be alone with him in a That's what we should really be focused on. But it's like the, these little things that I, that I do remember. And when I watch, whether it's Housewives of Salt Lake or Mormon Wives, I'm like, oh, I remember my family, my dad's family. I don't have any communication with any of them any longer. I remember those little things that stick with you. And I'm like, I can't imagine having that every single day to where you actually believe that certain things are wrong. Yeah. And I felt so badly for my dad as well, because I think he really loved the arts and I don't think that he was ever able to participate in them because of what his parents thought that meant. Oh I have never shared that before Isn that isn that a heartbreaking thing when you get old enough and wise enough to really think about your parents journey as human beings and not related to what they who they are to you, but just like your dad as a young man, recognizing that he loved something that he probably never fully got to embrace. Yeah. Like that. I think I, I struggle a lot with that now that he's gone, I look back on a lot of things and I just, I think his upbringing was really hard. I think he always felt different and felt that, um, he just didn't, the, the Mormon church did not resonate with him. Um, and that is a struggle for me. And I think that's why I babied my dad so much. Like letting him know, like you're good enough. You don't need to beat yourself up over things like this. All is good. You're human. It sounds like you were able to do that from a really young age. Do you, do you feel like you've always been a little bit of a therapist in your family and your friend's life? Yeah. I remember at a very young age when my mom had lost her dad laying in bed with her and she was obviously beside herself. And gosh, I was so young. I was still in elementary school, but, um, and I don't know exactly what I said, but my mom brings it up often where she's like, you got me through that moment. And I remember even with my dad, you know, talking him through things. I just was very, um, in tune with my, my emotions and seeing things. And you know what? It's a blessing and a curse looking back. It it's like, Oh, wow. How, how amazing as a child that I could do that. But as a child taking that on felt like a huge burden. I I felt like I was never able to be a kid and not because of my parents. My parents, they were begging me to be a kid. Yeah. But my mind just was always wanting to be older. That resonates with me so fully. I can't even tell you. I was exactly the same way. I never wanted to be in my present age or my present state. I was always anticipating the needs of others. I was always forward thinking. and just couldn't wait to be an adult. And not because of all the fun things you think of about being an adult. Even the mundane just sounded wonderful to me. And I, you know, sure enough, it's pretty freaking awesome to be an adult. I do love it, even though it's hard. And there's a lot of things. I think about how I felt as a kid and felt kind of, I don't know. I just, it never felt like I was supposed to be young. I was always an old woman in a young person's body. Oh my gosh. I so relate to that. And by the way, now I'm 35 and I feel like I'm 85. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's seven o'clock. I've got to get to bed. Thank you. Me too. If I'm up and it's past nine, I'm like, guys, mama's got to sleep. I don't know what you're thinking this is here. You mentioned that you had a 6'4 super hot boyfriend in high school. When did you, when did you just love start, like realize that you just loved boys and when did boys start reciprocating that feeling back to you? Oh, I remember my first boyfriend in the third grade, Taylor, I carried his school picture and we were long distance, which meant he went to a different elementary school than me. Oh man. Yeah. That's tough. And then he got, he had a crush on a different girl at his own school. So I called him and said, you go through girls like you go through underwear. I will never forget it. Wait, what? In third grade? In third grade. Where did you get this line? I think my mom. My mom. Do you think she said it to you about him? Like, oh, he goes through girls like underwear. Yes, because I've always had a very close relationship with my mom at a very young age. I just shared everything with her. Same. So you get it. It's like, that's a safe space. This woman like clothed me, fed me. Like she's my everything. Yeah. Um, but I think I got, I think I got very boy crazy in the seventh grade where it was like, my braces came off. Oh yeah. You had a glow up. Yes. I had a locker where I could keep pictures and a mirror and put my lip gloss on. And I just, it was like grown men, you know, way different than elementary school. and then in high school is when I and I talk about this all the time my most productive and healthy relationship thus far is my high school sweetheart that I met at 17 which was the 6-4 man okay we were together until I was 20 I ended up moving out to LA to give it a shot and he stayed back in Utah and things just, I think had run their course. I have nothing but amazing memories of him and he's the person I lost my virginity to. So that I'm so grateful for because as you know, like the first time having sex, that is kind of what tees you up for your relationship with sex going forward, right? Yes. Yes. And there is a before and an after in your life. Exactly. So I was so, I'm so grateful that my first time being intimate with somebody was just that. It was intimacy. It was partnership. And, but after him, man, I was, I was ready to rumble. Oh yeah. I mean, at least if you're going to say after that, you were ready to go. You were 17 to 20. You're in your twenties, which is college age is the perfect time to really, that's where you have, that's where, you know, the biggest opportunity for self-discovery comes about. It's for a lot of people, the first time you're out from under your parents' roof. Totally. And you're making your own decisions about who you're going to hang out with and when you're going to come home and who you're going to go on a date with and when, when and where those dates take place. So yeah, all of that, all of that makes sense. I was also boy crazy starting in elementary school. I had my first boyfriend that I remember was not long distance. And he if he did end up having a crush on someone else, it would have been on a boy because he is gay. And it was pretty obvious he was gay then to everyone except me. And but you know, that did pretty much just set me up for moving forward. I have always loved gay men. Oh, don't I you and me both. Yeah. Love, love a good gay guy. I just think they're wonderful. They're the perfect people to be, same, same great people to be in relationships with, honestly. Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. 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And Terry will deliver insider beauty, health, and wellness insights you won't find on TikTok. Together, we'll tell the stories, spill the secrets, and share the hacks that keep life, marriage, and everything in between feeling fresh and fun. We may live in a gated community, but there's zero gatekeeping here. And plenty of, did they just say that moments? Listen to Between Us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk at my mom. Yeah. On the Sino Show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon Danny Trail to talk about addiction, transformation and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with guests like Tiffany Adish, Johnny Knoxville and more. I'm an alcoholic. And without this trouble, I'm going to die. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search The Cino Show, and listen now. Segregation in the day, integration at night. When segregation was the law, one mysterious Black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping on another world. Inside Charlie's place, Black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the KKK? Yeah, they would have dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and Visit Myrtle Beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My husband and I watched Love, Loathing, and Vanderpump, the documentary, The Randall Scandal. We watched it. And our main takeaway from it was how do men like him still find beautiful women who will date them? He is with someone right now. How do men so easily fail upwards? I think for him, he has really conquered an art. And that is going for girls, not women, who are easily impressionable, don't have much life experience. You say the word Chanel and you've got them. You say the word movie producer and you've got them. You don't do much research. You just see the shiny object. And I think he knows exactly who to prey on. Right. And I think he thought when he met me, I'm a girl from Utah. I don't think he ever anticipated the strength that I have. Right. I think I really shook this man to his core. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes me very proud. Good. Yeah, you should. You should feel you should feel good about. So thanks to Vanderpump Rules and the Valley, you are surrounded with drama and gossip. In high school, did you were you a part of any scandals or love triangles or was that just something you ran into later in your life? You know, I think the typical like scandals that especially growing up in Utah, everybody knows everybody. And I thought moving to LA, it would be different. It's actually, it actually feels smaller. Smaller. I know everyone knows everyone. Freaking smaller. Um, social media was not, I wasn't on social media. I don't know when you got it. I remember getting my first, I had downloaded Instagram a few times and then thought this is so dumb. I'm deleting it. It wasn't until I got to LA and started wanting to be in the industry again and getting the bug where I was like, Oh, I guess social media is kind of needed now. Yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. I wasn't in the know about a lot of things when I lived in Utah. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you're a good 10 years younger than me. So I mean, I've been on social media since MySpace. Girl, you have not aged one day since Boy Meets World. Well, thank you very much, but tell that to my knees. Yeah. So I have, I mean, truly, I remember I remember my space, but as far as like actually using social media for work purposes, it did not start for me until girl meets world. So we're talking like 2014. So like, you know, just 12 years ago of being like, okay, I guess this is where I'm supposed to promote things that come out and talk about things and like, let people know here. And then, you know, even still now, like when I did dancing with the stars, I hired a social media team because I knew how important that was. And, and then the minute it was over, I was like, well, I don't really, what will I make content about now? And so I let them go and now I just never post. Social media is my worst enemy. Mine too. Mine too. Do you have a social media team? I just recently brought one on maybe a couple months ago and I have imposter syndrome and all of the things that they want me to do that get millions of views. I look at and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm so embarrassed. People are loving the content, but it just, it's out of my comfort zone. Yeah. I saw one of yours that made me laugh so much where you were doing all of the AI is going to take your job. Oh, it was so funny. So whatever, whoever you're using, it's working. You look great. Well, thank you. So keep it up. And maybe if you like them, share their information with me. By the way, he is absolutely fantastic. You would love him. And I love, I, I do love the content. It just, I feel so exposed on social media. I know I'm the same way. Even when I get an ad for something that I love, cause I'm very choosy about the things I do ads for. I, I, I'm not the type of, I just have never been able to be the type of person to be like Oh you willing to pay me whatever that is I take it and I promote whatever your thing is I really I like well what is it If I don if I not familiar with it already please send it to me. Let me use it for a while. Let me tell you. And even when I'm like, I love this thing. Like when I had Adler, I loved the Dock-a-Tot. The Dock-a-Tot was- Oh, I love the Dock-a-Tot. I loved my Dock-a-Tot. And I got paid to do an ad for Dock-a-Tot on Instagram. They were totally fine with the fact that I don't show my kids faces. Everything about it was a perfect partnership. And yet anytime I've ever had to go post an ad, I immediately feel cringe. I'm just like, I, I can't believe I have to do this. People are going to think this. And yet I love, love the thing I'm advertising. Totally. You are so seen. You are seen. What is that? Why? I don't know. We, I just feel so, I don't know what that is. It's just an internal battle that you have to get over and it's you, there's nothing you can do to work on it except for you're doing it and it's out there and get over it. And I do love these things. I stand by every single thing. Liquid IV. I freaking love it. I take it every day. My Samsung phone. I've been a Samsung user for 12 years. Like I don't do ads for things unless I love them. So why do I feel bad telling people when I love something? I know it's probably because at the end you have to like direct people to a link. And then you've lost me. I'm like, now I feel like, and you know, the comment section can get to you. Yeah, it's true. It's true. I think also it comes back to my, um, somewhere for me, it's asking anybody for anything ever makes me feel worthless. And that's it. That's not a good way to feel like we need community. We need help. It takes a village, all the things I know and would say to other people. But when it comes to myself, I think I am supposed to be fully autonomous and a one woman show. And if I don't do every single thing myself, then I'm somehow failing or I'm draining resources that other people could be spending doing something else. And so even though I'm just telling you, I like this brand, this brand has made my life better. It feels like I'm asking people for something. And I I think it goes back to that. That would make total sense. Yeah. Thank you for working that out with me. You're welcome. I'm always here to listen to you. I feel that way with men. I'm like, I don't need you to buy me anything. Don't take me to dinner. You don't need to call my Uber because I don't want to owe you anything. Right. Right. Yeah. So it sounds like we both have our issues. We both have some issues, but you know, maybe if we just talk more, we need to make this a regular, a weekly thing. I love it. So now you are hosting an unlikely affair alongside Amber Childers, someone who was wildly entangled in your past relationship. Have you always been able to mend fences with people? Do you easily forgive? I don't hold a grudge. I think if a productive conversation is had, I can move on pretty quickly. I don't have any problem taking accountability for my part. I know it sounds so cheesy because people say it all the time. I know I am not perfect. I am a lot to handle. I can be a loose cannon, um, which I'm working on, but I never understood that saying, um, I'll forgive, but I'll never forget. I'm like, well, that's, what's the point of forgiving then if you're just going to remember the whole time. So I've, I forgive, I forget, I move on. I love that. And I think again, I'm very similar, very similar. I love that. I really do. I think the record keeping in relationships, by the way, I think you can totally forgive and forget as long as what you're saying is what I've learned about you has shown me that I truly do not want you in my life in any capacity. I forgive you. I'm no longer going to carry negative energy about you or the situation, but I really want you to stay far the hell away from me and we're not going to be in each other's lives. But if you're going to forgive and then still operate in each other's fears, you kind of do need to forget because otherwise you're side, side eyeing the whole time. And that's not, that's not real forgiveness, is it? Not at all. Not in any capacity. And I'm the same way. If, if, if behaviors have shown me something where I'm like, okay, this experience, I'd be a dumbass to like keep you around and pretend we're all good. Um, like you said, I, you're a liability. The stakes are very high for me. You stay over there and I'll stay over here. Just pretend like we don't know each other. Exactly. I have quite a few of those in my life. And those people there, there've been a couple of times those people have reached out and tried to, uh, you know, hi, I'd like to talk to you about what happened 20 years ago. And, uh, no, we're good. I have worked very hard to forget you exist. I don't need you. I don't need you back here. And you know what people, I know there's people out there that feel that way about me. Right. Where I may have been a toxic presence in their life. And you know what? I apologize. And I wish you all the best. You know, like there's some people who just aren't meant to be friends. Yeah. You're right. And there are moments too, where I I've looked at things that have gone South and I'm like, you know what? I'm not a bad person. You're not a bad person. We're not meant to be. All is good. Absolutely. Isn't that the point of relationships? Figuring that out? Who do we keep? Who do we not? keep who's for us, who isn't for us. It's the whole point. So nothing wrong, nothing wrong with getting to the bottom of it and being like, Hey, we're not a match. Yeah. Peace out. No time wasted. Yeah. No time wasted at all. Another thing we have in common is our obsession with new beauty treatments. I am very envious of you though, because you go out there and try everything and then report back. Can we talk about, cause I am, I've never had a laser treatment. I'm like, I've, and I need to, I want to. You cannot tell people this. People are going to hate you. No, it's just a ring light. It's just, it's just, I just have good lighting in here. That's, that's all it is. But listen, I, I would love to talk about some of your recent endeavors and what your experiences are with them. Uh, can we talk about Morpheus? Morpheus. Okay. I've done Morpheus one time and you have to know this. It was after my last boob job. So I was fully under, they did my boobs and they did my chest. You have to have a few treatments. I am a C. Right. Okay. And it was very painful recovery. So I didn't feel it. My mom's done it. She was like, that was brutal. And she has a very high pain tolerance. That bitch like passed kidney stones, like nobody's business. Right. So I didn't fulfill the rest of the treatments. if you're a gangster and can handle pain, Morpheus is incredible, especially for like tightening and plumping the skin. I would do it. I wouldn't do it. Cause I'm, I'm, I'm not you, but you, right. Right. Yeah. I, I was told cause I, I had a consultation with a plastic surgeon, uh, a couple of years ago about having a potential mommy makeover when I knew I was done having kids. and I was like, you know, maybe I'll have a little tummy tuck. Maybe I'll get a little breast lift. And in that consultation, the doctor I was meeting with actually told me that first I should do a boob job because he didn't want to do them at the same time. He was like, don't the mommy makeover thing. They're better done differently. It gets scary. Yeah. And so he had recommended that we try Morpheus before the tummy tuck. So he said, while you're under for the boob job, I can do Morpheus on your stomach to see if it helps tighten any of the loose skin there. And he said, and I would want to do it while you were under, because the deeper you're able to go, the better the results are, but it's so painful. You can't like you, I wouldn't be able to go that deep if you were just under local, like local anesthetic. And so he, he did say that. And then I thought, but then what do you do for the follow-up treatments? You're not going to be put under every time for Morpheus. So that just doesn't seem. Well, if he's going super deep though, maybe you don't need as many treatments. If you end up doing that, I would really like to know how you feel about it because how many kids do you have? Two. So I don't know if this happened with you. My, and I hate this term, but I'm going to say it. Are you going to say snapback? Yes. I hate it. Was it better after the first and gone by the second? Oh, the second, I'm in plank position, girl. I look at my stomach. I'm like, whose 90 year old stomach is this? Exactly the same. And I actually just assumed it was because I was much older as a mom. My first I had at 38, which is not young. And my second I had at 40. So I thought, okay, it's because I'm 40 having a kid. But my, after my first, I got my pre-pregnancy body back within the year. Like it never even happened. Like it never happened. Skin was normal. Second, everything's loosey goosey. Lucy goosey. I'm so insecure about it because it's when I move a certain way, like I can't be on top of a man. Are you crazy? Oh yeah. Forget it. Absolutely. That works because here's the thing with the tummy tuck, you run the risk of funky belly button. I know. And the belly button that looks like everyone else's belly button and a scar hip to hip. Yeah. Do the Morpheus. You know what? I have a pre-op call for my, I'm getting my boobs redone. It's like reconstructive surgery. Maybe I'll ask them if they can smack my stomach with that Morpheus. Maybe I'll be reporting back to you because my boob job is March 16th. Wow. Okay. And that was this your third? It's my third. It's a revision. It's okay. Tell me, cause I've, I don't, I, I'm only thinking about it. Tell me, do you, do you, looking back, do you wish you had ever had your boobs done? Could you imagine a time? Could you imagine a world where you're like, yeah, I would absolutely do this a hundred times over to have these results. What's your opinion on the boob job? I love the boob job. Okay. I love the boob job. I wish I wouldn't have gotten them done at the age of 20. I felt like that was completely unnecessary and stupid. But I'm all about the boob job and they've come so far with the technology as far as like making the implant. Yeah. I say life is short, get the boob job. Life is short, get the lips, but you don't need the lips. No, these are mine, but I do, I am, uh, I'm at definitely at a place, um, post cancer, post two children. How did I not know that? Yes. Cancer 2024. Just fresh out breast cancer, breast cancer. So I have a, I have a two pretty large scars on my right breast where I had two lumpectomies and a lymph node removed and the lymph node had no cancer in it, but, but it's, uh, you know, you have to have it removed in order to make sure the cancer hasn't spread. And, um, and then with weight loss and with two children who breastfed, I don't recognize what's going on anymore from chest to below my belly button, no clue whose body this is. And so I've recently started thinking, I think I would feel significantly better about myself if I had some sort of breast lift and or got rid of this extra skin. And yet I struggle very much with the idea that that is also a little bit insane. Like my husband is not looking at me saying to me, you hideous beast. Right. I am only saying that to myself. And like, that's probably coming from a really unhealthy, not evolved part of my brain and my personality that I would probably be better working on in therapy. And also like, how often is anyone going to see that? Like, I do think, well, it would be cute if I could like wear a cute little crop top every now and then, but I would never right now, I wouldn't be caught dead in a crop top with my loose stomach or in a two piece. And yet I'm taking my kids on a wonderful vacation for spring break. And I think, look at all these cute two pieces. They're cute on other people, but they wouldn't be cute on me. I, so then I struggle. Cause I'm like, maybe this is more of a therapy thing than a surgery thing, but I do know I would feel better if I had the surgery. All right. You're not going to like what I have to say. Number one, I'm so grateful you're okay. Okay. Yes. Thank you. The second thing I remember going in. So what's happened on my right side is I have, and I always botch it, capsular contracture. Yes. Okay. So when you, there's certain positions you make and it looks, you can, like a muscle is moving in your implant. Yes. But now it's beyond that. And it didn't happen the first two boob jobs. It happened the third, or it happened after my second baby because, and they're thinking it has to do with mastitis where the clogged milk duct that obviously caused some sort of germ and reaction. It's concaved on the side. I go in for my annual boobie screening and she tells me what it is. That's where I first learned what it is. And she said, I have a great doctor for you. Don't go until you're done having kids. And I said, yeah, I mean, I don't need to go anytime soon. Who am I trying to impress? And she goes, you do it for yourself. You don't do it for anybody else. So as much as I think that we can work on with therapy, if you feel that you would feel better with a little nip tuck, you should do that. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have to see yourself naked every day. You know, like if your man thinks you're beautiful, that's great. But you have to feel beautiful. We can be told all day long that our bounce back is amazing and you're gorgeous. We have to feel that way. And if that comes with me getting a little procedure done, then I'm going to freaking do it. Right. Right. No, you're right. You're right. And I, I go back and forth because I also think is, wouldn't it be great if what I really felt was, yeah, there's a little bit of loose skin, but I made two babies and who cares, but I don't actually feel that way. What I feel like is I made two babies. I love my two babies. I'm so grateful for my body that I was able to make those two babies. And now I would like to recognize the body that made those two babies. And I don't recognize it now. And yeah. Okay. So thank you. I thank you again for letting me talk this up. When you get that done and you come to me and you're like, I'm thinking about getting this done in this, then we go see the therapist. Now there's bigger issues. But right now I think what you're saying is totally fine. Okay. All right. Thank you. You're right. But you know what? And knowing me probably won't be too long. I'll be like, all right, these nasal labial folds. What do we do? How do we get, how do we get rid of these? Then we got to call the therapist. Okay. Yes. Another thing we have in common. This is just me. This interview is me just telling you all the things that I've discovered we have in common. I love it We are both sneaker heads Oh I love a sneaker babe Oh me too What your favorite sneaker Okay So it used to be Jordan ones That was always that my favorite Number one favorite silhouette I think they look great on men They look great on women They make so many different great colorways. They look good under every type of jean. They look great with skirts. They look, they look great with everything. But I've also recently become obsessed with the Jordan four. It's, it's another one of my absolute favorite silhouettes. and I love some of the colorways they've done. I have the orchids, I have the bricks and I love them. So have you always been into shoes, specifically sneakers or is that something that you've evolved into? I think I evolved into it. I was a big heel girl for a very long time. And then after my babies, I was like, what am I doing? I want to be comfortable. I want to feel cozy. Yes. I just want my closet full of different sneakers Cause like you said, I could wear it with a dress, a skirt, a sweatpants, jeans. I love them. Same. That's exactly my journey. I was a heel almost exclusive. I mean, even during the day to run errands, I had a heel on. Yeah. What is that? I don't know. It's called being in your twenties, I guess. And then in my late thirties, after having kids, I was like, what are we doing? And I always had like I had some Converse and in high school I had Converse and, you know, I've just in general loved shoes. But boy, it before I like became just sneakers, I was all about the heels. You and me both. Yeah. Wow. I really do love this new phase. And the thing that I love is that all of the feelings I got about like self-expression from heels because of the different colors. And this one's patent and this one has a T-strap and all of those. I get all those same things with sneakers. Oh, you and me both. Yeah. I'm like, what was I ever missing? I don't know. It's just, they're, they're perfect. You have two beautiful children. You have- Two girls. Oh, you have two girls. I have two girls. I thought you had a son and a daughter. Oh, that's funny. I have two boys. No, they have kind of boy names though. I have Ocean, who's my five-year-old. She'll be five next month. And Sosa is a year and a half. Both girls. Okay. Both girls. What are they into? What are their current interests at five and one and a half? Oh, Ocean is just the girliest of girls. I had to wipe her face clean because she put on makeup and I said, you cannot wear makeup to school. Why mom? You're four inches. I'm going to be five next month. I was like, still too young. You're not wearing makeup to school. Changes a million times a day, goes through my closet, says, will you save this for me for when I get older? I really want this. And Sosa is just kind of mimicking right now. So if she sees Ocean playing dress up, she wants to play dress up. If she sees mommy putting on makeup, she wants to put on the makeup. Yeah. So it'll be, they're so different though. I can already tell that they're going to be very different. Ocean's very independent. Not much phases her. Sosa gets her feelings hurt if you look at her wrong. It's intense. You think you've conquered the art of motherhood. Like I'm crushing this. And then the second one comes and you go, this is going to take a new set of skills. Yes. Yes. And, and, and my, my mom was very good about that growing up. My brother and I are very different and she had to mother us very differently. And so she always said that. So thankfully for me, it wasn't totally shocking because she had said like, whatever your first one is, don't think that's going to be the only type you're going to have. Your second's going to throw you for a loop. And sure enough, my boys are exactly the same. They're very different. Adler is a totally, Adler is a jock and into all things athletic and sports. And he wants to play with us or with a friend. He's incredibly social. And then Keaton is like, I'm good. I'm good on my own. I'm good to play by myself. Uh, not that in sports. Is Keaton the younger one? Keaton's the younger one. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, just totally different. I have to, I have to parent them differently and it's, it, it is pretty wild. I know. Cause I'm like, you can't, well, for you, that came from the same person. For me, anytime Ocean does something I don't like, I'm like, oh, you got that from your dad. I still do that. And we're married. But listen, if there's something I don't like, it's not for me. No. All the perfect things come from me. Obviously. Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Almost 30 years together, four kids and some of reality TV's most unforgettable moments, we know a thing or two about living life out loud. We're taking you behind the scenes in our new podcast, Between Us, with me, Heather Dubrow. And me, Terry Dubrow. Between Us isn't about perfect lighting or curated Instagram grids. It's the unfiltered, behind-closed-doors conversations you wish you could eavesdrop on. Equal parts smart, funny, and a little bit scandalous. Every week, Heather will bring you an unapologetic take on the headlines, the trends, and the cultural moments everyone's texting about. And Terry will deliver insider beauty, health, and wellness insights you won't find on TikTok. Together, we'll tell the stories, spill the secrets, and share the hacks that keep life, marriage, and everything in between feeling fresh and fun. We may live in a gated community, but there's zero gatekeeping here. And plenty of, did they just say that moments? Listen to Between Us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I was like, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk at my mom. Yeah. On the Sino Show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon Danny Trail to talk about addiction, transformation and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with guests like Tiffany Addish, Johnny Knoxville and more. I'm an alcoholic. And without this problem, I'm going to die. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search the Cino Show and listen now. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. I want to ask you, you are on Bravo's hit show, The Valley. I have been a Valley girl since middle school. Could you give me some of your hidden gems you found in the 818? Oh, I don't know if this is a hidden gem, but I'm absolutely obsessed with it. It's a little izakaya right on Sepulveda. And it's like, you would think that this strip center is like, there's nothing there. Yeah. Right. but that it is a hidden gem because every time I talk to anyone about it like yeah there's a specific niche right there's a specific group who knows about it and they lunch there on their break any of my friends though they're like I drove past and it was like I didn't want to go in I'm like you got to go through you gotta go yeah do you know you know it obviously I mean I know of it but I don't think I don't even know if I've ever been there oh girl you gotta go okay yes I think I'm bad at North, South, East and West. It's not where the movie theater is, right? Where the Arclight used to be. It's not in that center. No. So I think it's South. Okay. South of, does that make sense? South of Ventura or does that venture? Yeah, South would be, yeah. You could be- Like towards BH? Yes, correct. So it's South of Ventura right on Sepulveda. Okay. And you've literally drive by and you're like, what in the world? There's no way any of those restaurants are open. They're all open and they're all popping. Okay. Good to know. I like that. Now we're going to blow up sushi. It's sushi. Yes. Okay. Fabulous. Okay. Great. I know you have been open about relationships in the past, but you have kept some of your more recent moves quiet. Are we looking at 2026 as a year of a possible public romance for you? I think I'm going to find my person this year. You do? I do. I feel why you just feel it. I just feel it. I feel like I've, I talked to the universe on a new year's day and I sat outside of my house in Palm Springs and I just said like, I am open to anything and everything that you want to bring to me. I said, there is no conversation that is too difficult to have. There's no roadblock that I can't get over and that I haven't faced before. And I said, and I want you to know, I've told you I don't want a person and I am okay being solo and I'm letting you know that I'm actually very open to finding my person. So I just feel that way. I love that. Well, as I mentioned at the very beginning of this podcast, you know, we're in the middle of an eclipse. so now you should have another conversation with the universe and you should write what it is you want as if you already have it now oh so because now is in the middle of an eclipse is a time of massive transformation and change specifically around relationships my mind was blown i'm like like a dead person. I'm doing that. Yeah. So you have, it ends March 3rd. So between now and March 3rd, you write down the things that you want, but as if you already have them, I have a love that, that is this, I have a relationship that this, that inspired, it brings out the best in me, where I bring out the best in them, all the things you want, right? As if you have it. Okay. Done. I'll do it. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. That's going to be what I do tonight. Oh my gosh, this is so fun. I'm not done yet with Lala, far from it actually. This Friday, we have a bonus episode where I will learn even more about Lala and we'll hear one of your embarrassing teenage stories sent in via voice memo. Make sure you've subscribed to the Teen Beat feed wherever you get your podcasts so that way you won't miss an episode. And while you're at it, check out Lala Kent and her slate of podcasts, Untraditionally Lala and An Unlikely Affair. Plus, you can share your own tales of childhood cringe with me. Just send a radio-ready voice memo to teenbeatpod at gmail.com and buckle up. You may just hear it in a future episode. Teen Beat is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel. Executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo. Producer and editor, Tara Sudbachsch. The theme song is by Mark Hoppus. Yes, that Mark Hoppus. 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It's Emily Simpson, and Shane Simpson from the Legally Brunette podcast. Each week, we're bringing you true crime through a legal lens. Whether you want all the facts on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie or you still need to wrap your head around the ditty verdict, we're breaking it all down step by step. And we're not just lawyers. We're also husband and wife. It makes for some pretty entertaining episodes. Listen to Legally Brunette on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When segregation was a law, one mysterious black club owner, Charlie Fitzgerald, had his own rules. Segregation in the day, integration at night. It was like stepping on another world. Was he a businessman? A criminal? A hero? Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. Charlie's Place, from Atlas Obscura and Visit Myrtle Beach. Listen to Charlie's Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. 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