Finn Bálor

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Welcome to What's Your Story with Steph McMahon, a WWE and Fnatic's original production. Well, I'm gonna give something away. Come on. When I have the mic in my left hand, it means I'm gonna slap the shit out of somebody with my right. That's the only time I hold it in the left hand. Like the old left heart when he wears the wrist tape. You know he's gonna do a blade job. Yeah, so that's the only time I'll ever hold a mic in my left hand. OK. Well, if I ever see it in the left hand, I'm rolling. I'm rolling. I'm frontering from each other. And I'm cutting a promo with my left hand, holding the mic. You see me backing out like Homer Simpson. Yes, you better watch out. Tomorrow night at Hall of Fame, we see you in the left hand. Oh, yeah. We know it's gonna watch out the whole front row. I'm gonna run down and instead of like slapping hands, I'm just gonna slap everybody's face if I run by. This is kind of a great idea. I'm in. So clearly this episode's being recorded before WrestleMania as we are talking about the Hall of Fame. And we were, you know, this is all we started recording a little bit ago. So you and I were talking about talking. Yeah. And you said that it's something you actually don't like to do in general. And you seem to intimate. There might be a reason why and you might know what that is. And I don't know if there's a reason. I think there's like different types of people in the world. OK, some people like to be the center of attention and like to have their voice heard or like to tell stories. And like, I mean, this with the greatest respect towards one of my colleagues, Cody, but like, I feel like. Although we love wrestling, we're very different personalities. Sure. In the sense that when he enters a room, he wants to be the center of attention and likes to entertain and likes to tell stories where I would rather. Probably not even enter the room. And if I and if I did, I just want to like blend into the background a little bit and just be an observer more than like a participant. But it kind of contradicts everything. That's what I was. Wrestling, because wrestling is like how I express myself. I feel like I express myself better like physically with like my performance than I do speaking. So that's why I've kind of, especially like in the last couple of years, kind of like shied away from doing media, podcasts, public speaking. Everything I just like, I love to wrestle. Right. And if I know what are things come with it. And I know if perhaps I invested more time in the speaking part, I know it would be better for my career, but it's just something that I'm not willing to give. Oh, Finn, my God, are you all right? Like, no, I'm great. I'm my way. It's my way of like managing all this attention. You like and you just prefer it that way. It's not like you're saying, I wish I started earlier because you have never seemed uncomfortable on the mic. Well, I mean, but let me also say, though, like to your point, how there are different personalities, different people, there are different characters to write. Not every character has to be verbose. Yeah. You know, and you have so much. So much creativity with your character, especially when you can bring the demon in, you know, and this little guy behind me. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, we'll put it up on the screen. Yes, available at the WWE shop. WWE shop. But I think you have a lot of mystique. Right. And so when you don't talk a lot, it adds to the mystique. And you have like the cool guy, quiet guy sort of vibe. You know, you can keep these. Yeah, I like this. Yeah, you keep talking. I'll just keep listening to that. And it's and it's cool and it's you and it's different and that's good. It's good to be different. Yeah, no, I don't think it's like a problem. Like a problem. It's just you're. I feel like it's it's one part of the job that I don't excel at. But it's it's a job part of the job that I don't even necessarily want to excel at. Right. I just want to be in the ring, performing in the back with the boys hanging out and do my job, not. So what about the promotion, though? See, that's the thing. I understand the promotional aspect of it. And when I'm asked, hey, we need you to do this, obviously, I'm going to do it. Right. If it's a choice of, hey, would you like to go to this event or walk this red carpet? I'll be like, yeah, yeah, you know, that's cool. You know, as long as you get yourself out there when you're promoting your own matches, but even then you don't have to. You can be how you're comfortable being, you know, like be a man of few words. You know, what you say matters, but it doesn't have to be a whole lot, you know, and you don't have to answer a ton of questions like it can be your whole thing. You see, I feel like I'm better in this type of an environment where it's a real conversation. Yeah. For me, the worst possible scenario is something like a morning show where you're like sitting on a couch and you have to do like a 90 second hit and I get all this information out and try and sell the product where it's not like. It's not my personality. Yeah. You know, I would rather have like a long, in-depth conversation and touch on all these things. Right. Instead of just like, hey, the show's on Monday. It's at eight o'clock. Right. Either watch it on. Yeah. You know, no, but you need to be able to grow. I, yeah. You're on it. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And that's another thing. That's another thing that's been really difficult for me in my career is that like trash talking. And like, I'm not willing to like sacrifice like my dignity to like say these things that like I don't mean. Right. Because like, and again, I know it would be better for like retweets. So you don't feel like you're playing a character? You feel like you're more being yourself? I feel like I got to this position being myself. So I shouldn't change that ever. And I kind of, I started in, I started in England. Right. Yeah. Where it was, it was mostly based on Matt Resson. And then I went to Japan and it was based on like strong style wrestling. There was no like promos. So the first time I actually had to do a promo was when I came to NXT. Really? And I remember being so nervous because the NXT tape and I had to come out and say, I'm Finn Balor and I'm the future. And I remember being so nervous. Really? I haven't like remembered that line. What is that line? And just because that becomes acting. When I'm wrestling, I'm not acting. Right. I'm like in flow. I'm like, I'm just like going with my emotions, following like what I believe is right in my heart to do. But as soon as the speaking part started, that was like a real learning curve. I'm like, I've gotten a little bit better at it over the 12, 13 years that I'm here. But it's I'm still I've been wrestling say 25 years. I've been doing promos 13. So it's like, right. I'm way behind with like that experience in promos. But I don't. Well, I mean, it's whatever you're comfortable doing, you know? And again, I think if there's like a cool hand Luke, I do think a character lens is helpful, you know? Because sometimes you do have to, you know, promote the match, but figure out a way to do it where it's like unique to you and what you're feeling and make it real. Even if you don't talk so much, right? I mean, this is just like my opinion. So no, no, no, no, whatever. With it. And one thing I've kind of like only started to learn recently. And I'll credit Paul Heyman with this. OK, because he said, like, you got to treat your promos like your matches. Like a match like you're not nervous going into your match. You don't know every move you're going to do. You're just flowing and you're there and you're in that state. But your promos, you're trying to memorize every word. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and that's not how you you're like you execute your matches. That's not how you should execute your promos. So recently, I've kind of been taking that more on board. Yeah. And not having like, hey, I need it to sound exactly like this word for word, just like the couple of bullet points. Right. And that's really helped a lot. Good. And that's the way you should do it. I typically, you know, it's like you have I always try to reduce my promo to three three things. And it's like, and basically, you know, the you need to know how you want to end first. Right. Because the finish is always the biggest part of the match, right? And it's what people will remember. And this is something, of course, that I was taught by my dad, too, is like the you can go see a terrible movie. But if it has a great ending, you're like, I don't know, kind of paid off, right? And then you can see a great movie. But if it has a terrible ending, yeah, oh, wasn't such a great movie after all. It was withered on till that last five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it like ruins the experience. So the same thing with the promo, you always want to know how you want to end it. And you want to know how you want to begin it. And you want to just tell a story in the middle. Well, thank you. And I will take you up on that advice. All right. Next time I'm on Raw and I'm looking down to buy a little. I'm everything. It's Stephanie Mcmahon. Tell me how to do this. You're going down, Dominic. I feel like if you need any trash talking tips, too, she's know there's the old days. The old. How long have you been doing promos? I mean, since I was your first promo. What? Like 22. I mean, right? I don't know. Around then anyway. Yeah, pretty early. I'll never forget. I'll tell a story about Dominic. OK. So. And Dominic comes into the judgment day and he's just turned from baby face to heel. And we're going out to deliver our first group judgment day promo on Raw. And, you know, I'd kind of told Ray, hey, I'm going to look out for Dominic if he needs any help, like I'll try and guide him as best I can. And we're about to go out for the promo ring gorilla. And I say, hey, Dominic, like you want to come outside gorilla and like go over your promo with me? So we go outside gorilla and say, OK, so you want to like tell me what you're going to say? Just to like rehearse it and practice it. And he goes, eh, am I sure what I'm going to say, dog? Well, he's like, are you OK? Do you want to talk to a writer? So I said, no, no, no, I'll figure it out when I'm out there. And like that's been like him, like for the last four years in the judgment day. He's just like. He's just so easy going. So impressive. I was more stressed for him than he was for himself. Oh, my God, what's going to happen out there? And of course, it was electric. They build them out to build. And he's got such great. He couldn't even talk, right? Was it the night? That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Worked out. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember like standing in the ring that night and they were booing and going, oh, my God, because. At the time, it was kind of positions to put Dominic with the judgment day. So the judgment day could help Dominic. Right. But like pretty much from day one, it was Dominic helping the judgment day. With that heat, it just like took us to the next level. Right. Yeah. Because I always felt like I was swimming like upstream and trying to be heel. I feel like I never fully. Where are you the most comfortable? I feel like wrestling. I'm more comfortable being a heel, but I don't feel like that's my best. Position, so to speak. I think I can probably perform better as a baby face and get the people to accept me more as a baby face than a heel. And I don't know is that over time? I don't know is that to do with people getting to learn about my personality through things like this? Right. I don't know. But I feel like I. How do people not know you? Because have you just not done very much? Do you think people do know you? Because I think a lot of people know you. So it's funny for me to hear you say you feel like they don't like, do you feel like they know the like a version of you or? Yeah, they know the version that I allowed them to see, but I allowed them to see very little, like a little sliver. Yeah. And. Because it's hard to be vulnerable. That little sliver literally. Became a thing in NXT. Nobody knew anything about me before NXT. It was just Prince David. He's a wrestler. He wrestles hard and he does his best, but he doesn't. Well, and you, you know, you were responsible for a bit of a culture shift in Japan, right? A couple of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty cool, right? You don't get people. No, that that was cool. But again, it wasn't them getting to know me as a person. It's like they. They it was still a gimmick and it was an image. But the first time I kind of like let my guard down fully was we done like a 15, 20 minute like documentary when I joined NXT and I talked about like how I like to use Lego to like relax and like build Lego like for meditation. And that was like. I seen like the floodgates open with like the amount of attention that brought and that brought more attention than like my matches. And it was so interesting that like people were more into oh, he's into Lego like he does. They finally learn something about you, right? That was unexpected, I think. Very unexpected, I think. Yeah. Summer is coming up and there are so many things to do, concerts, sports and of course, WWE. With over 35 million downloads, Seat Geek is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than 70,000 events listed on Seat Geek. MLB is in full swing. The NBA and NHL playoffs are here. 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Yeah, that I've recently looked for online to try and like relive my childhood as we all tried to. Should anyone out there, you know, they have the Disney castle. Yeah, I'm not really into the... But so what year, circa what? For anybody online who can find the castle? I would have been around 1995, probably 94, 95. All right. You heard it here. My other favorite one that I built recently, well, not recently, like. When I was in NXT was like one of the pirate ships or like the red and white stripes. I love those ones. I liked like the Lego, like the non branded stuff, the kids. Yeah, yeah, like the police station, the fire station, that type of stuff. Yeah. And then they started to do like a tree house and like, yeah. All that stuff. Yeah, I would do that with the girls. My husband does this and I feel like I've made fun of him. I call him my manchild because he comes home from work and he sits and he's like, I just got to do a few pages and he builds Legos and he says it's relaxing. Yeah, it's kind of his like, decompress before the kids get home and now I know he's not alone. Yeah. So what do you think that is? Just is it like the extreme focus of it? It's the creation of it. No, it's it's it's both, but it's mostly the focus. You can't be thinking of anything else when you're trying to make sure the pieces are going together and you find working out doesn't do that. It's not enough. Working out. It's like a chore. OK, like what it's a chore that I absolutely have to do, right? For my mental. There's no. Yeah. Yeah, like if I if I don't do it, like I'll be grouchy, grumpy. Right. So. And you obviously have trained for a very long time. And are you do you ever cheat like ever? Like cheat meals? Yes. Oh, yeah. Really? Because Paul said he goes, I've never seen Finn ever cheat. He's like, he's the type of guy who pats his chicken. When you napkin. Grab the grease off. Yeah. So I'll be honest, I went a little little like too extreme from about like 2010 to like around two thousand twenty two was like was like good. Extreme. Yeah. But. My wife has been a big influence in like me exploring more delicious foods. Oh, good. So and normally I'll try and like have a cheat meal at least every two weeks. Yeah. Well, you're getting. Well, mostly mostly once a week, like I get like a cheeseburger. OK. Yeah. For a little yeah. With fries to eat the bread. I eat the bread. Yeah. I have to go all in or it's not a cheat. All right. All right. OK. I need to feel like shit afterwards. Yeah. Sorry. That's what I was wondering is to like then punish myself for the next couple of days. But ten, twelve years of eating clean. Like what was your body's reaction the first time you explored what I say. I say I say like ten, twelve years of eating clean. But like, for example, if I went home to my mom's. Right. She's made a cheesecake. Like I'm not going to turn that down. Right. So like, but I'm not going to just. Oh, well, it's Wednesday. I'm going to get a. What's that? Cheesecake, big in Ireland. My mom's one is. Yeah. It's delicious. Yeah, never heard. I never really heard of Irish cheesecake. Yeah. It's probably more along lines the way I make it. So it's like digestive biscuits, crushed open butter as the base. Oreo base. OK. Wow. I'm in. And then kind of like a creamy. It's not really cheese flavor. I don't know why it's called cheesecake, but it's kind of like a creamy made with cheese, either cream cheese or ricotta cheese or maybe something else that your mom uses possibly she's flying in later tonight. So we can either have. We can maybe scroll the recipe along the bottom of the screen here. That's great. So how did you fall in love with wrestling? Watching it on TV. I remember when I was like super young, like four or five years old, the only way you could get the soccer results in Ireland was by watching the World of Sport Wrestling on Sunday afternoon. How smart. So my granddad would be watching the wrestling, but my dad would be watching the wrestling to see the soccer results. And I would just be a passenger, right? Just like sitting there looking at the TV. And that was like World of Sports. It was very different. But I was curious about it. But then like soon after that, Sky TV came to Ireland and then it was like, I think it was Superstars was on on Saturday morning with Sean Mooney. And that's like that just hooked me straight away. And from from that young age, like I never kind of grew out of it. What was the first story that hooked you? And WrestleMania six would have been Hogan warrior. Wow. It doesn't really stick out my brain too much like what happened. But I remember like staying up with my pillow pillow on the couch because in Ireland that was at 1 a.m. Yeah. So like I had to stay up with my brother and stuff and watch it. The first like story that like sticks out my brain would have been Undertaker locking Ultimate Warrior in the casket. Oh, yeah. And then they had to like drill it and then they went off air. And I remember like running to the kitchen and telling my mom, like, the Ultimate Warrior is going to die like they like what's going to happen? So. That's so cute. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And she was like, no, I'm sure he's OK. No, he's OK. And then you had to wait a full seven days as a child to figure out if he's alive. Right. Because there's no social media. There's no nothing, no phones. Yeah, you had to wait for the TV. Yeah. Yeah. It's much easier to write TV that way, I'm sure. Yeah, I don't know how the guys do it now. There's so much hours of content to produce. It's it's insane. And that's another issue I have with everything, including wrestling is like, I don't really know what's good or bad anymore because like it's not like I'm so close to the elephant. I can't see it's even an elephant. Right. Because I've been wrestling so long, it's like, is this makes sense? Or is this am I being stupid? Have I done does everyone do this? And I try and like make my stuff look different. And I really don't know what's good or bad anymore. So it's really good to have like a good producer or someone like a a third set of eyes, like look at it and go, oh, but then can't you tell in the ring by the sound of the people? Yeah, I can tell in the ring. But like if I'm beforehand, trying to like come up and like an idea or something, I'm like, does that make sense? Right. Like I want to try this. Yeah. No, that's stupid. And then like, you know, some, for example, moves that I think are stupid, then would become like signature moves. Like there was a move. No, but there's a move I do all the time. Like I'll have the guy Sunset Flip and I'll roll through and dropkick. Yeah. And like I was just looking for something like to fill a spot in a match. Yeah. And I thought, oh, I was fresh out of Japan. I would just started in NXT and my old tag team partner, Teguchi in Japan done this move and sometimes we would do it together where we would like do it in stereo where we don't. Yeah. And I said, you know what, maybe I could just do that move. I used to do it to Gucci and I done it and the place popped. And then the next time was a little more and a little more. I was like, oh, yeah, this isn't something that I would have thought would catch on. But it did. Yeah. But it did. And it's you never know. You never know. You never know. That's part of the fun. Yeah. Right. It's like like shown stuff at the Walls. Yeah. It's like, but it's true. Yeah. And there there are moments in time in our business that, you know, they catch us fire. Yeah. 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So there's an indirect connection to WWE because the Goonies theme song is sung by Cindy Lopper, who definitely has a history with with WWE and the Rock and Wrestling connection. I like sci-fi movies. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Sunshine is a great one. OK. Killian Murphy and Interstellar was great. I love Killian Murphy. Yeah, he's great. Peaky Blinders is awesome. I haven't seen the movie yet. We've watched the all the seasons like three times through. Oh, yeah. And have you seen Peaky Blinders? I've seen season one and two. OK, I actually watched that when I was rehabbing my shoulder. Oh, good. That injury. So good binge. Yeah. But then if I think about that, I think about the rehab and I just go, I'm not going to watch the rest of it anymore. Oh, really? Oh, it's sourd you. That's close. It was at the time where like you had to wait a week for the next episode. And I would always like forget, you know, like, yeah. The binge is where it's at, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm annoyed right now at the pit. Oh, I've heard about this. Even my brother told me about this. Yeah. And it's Thursdays at nine o'clock. You can't watch the next episode, but go back to sci-fi. OK. OK. Your faves. Yeah, like Interstellar, Sunshine. I used to be into Star Wars not so much anymore. But right now I'm more into like documentaries and like actual like movies based on history. Like I really I watched Nuremberg recently. It was fantastic. Wow. Yeah. And. And but most of my free time is spent watching YouTube videos about ancient history. Really? Yeah. You and my husband alike. Yeah. He loves that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Did you watch the Netflix series? Like an ancient apocalypse? Yes. Yeah. Well, Graham Hancock. Yeah. It's fantastic. Yeah. And that's a great like gateway for people like to explore this topic. It's my homework. And. Well, yeah, there's there's a lot of guys out there. So the problem is it puts me asleep. And I don't mean the concept like I'm fascinated. Yeah, it's his voice. Yeah. And the way he speaks and the sounds and the way it's like it's like Bob Ross. And I'm like. Yeah. I find myself going to sleep. But it is fascinating. I wish that I was paying attention more. So what has you like cooked right now about it? And while there's a couple of YouTube pages, I watch ancient architects. Is one of them history for granted is another one. And the XT or our mutual friend. He has a YouTube page that I follow. And it's just like anything about ancient Egypt, like Turkey, there's crazy ancient history in Turkey, Peru, Bolivia. Do you want to go? I want to go. Yeah, I want to go to all those places. Yeah. And is your wife want to travel to she wants to travel to Turkey for sure. She's super interested in Constantinople. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. So we'd love to go there. And how did she get into it? And she's always she's always been into history and she's especially into like like mid 1900s, like like Renaissance period. Yeah, we've been to like Rome and Florence a few times. She's super into the Medici family. Oh, wow. Yeah. So she's like really read up on that. That's awesome. That's so cool. Yeah, I go like a little older. Well, a lot older. How much older are you then her? No, I mean, like when the history turns, I know, but I mean, are you two years in real life? Yeah, yeah, barely two years. I didn't know if there was a connection there to age differential. But no, no, no. And now, yeah, her stuff is about five hundred years old. Her history, like that she likes, and mine's like about four thousand four thousand plus. That's super cool. Yeah. Why do you think that is? I'm just fascinated by like what did the world look like back then? Yeah. And like what machinery machinery did they have or what techniques did they have that we clearly don't have now? Right. That they used to like build all these structures and cut these stones and move these stones. So so you're interested in what as well in the pyramids and how they seem to have discovered the I don't buy that. Everything that's underneath you. No, I've I think that's been debunked pretty good, pretty solidly. I don't know. I've heard a lot of things that don't say that we can agree to disagree. OK, I know third hand from listening to various podcasts. So certainly no research done on my part. Look, I of course, like I wanted that to be true more than anyone, but I've really researched it a lot and until like there's more evidence. Yeah, I'm not I'm not going to buy it. Sure. I think because I wanted to be true one type of technology, right? That can see and they can't see very well. Synthetic aperture radar. But so there's better tech coming. Like there's like a shovel you can use and you can just dig it down and see what's there. So but now would you here's a real question. Would you go into the like the sort of claustrophobic tunnels? What I'm going to call it. So that's obviously like bucket list for me. Really? I had to go in there. But but little known fact about me is I'm hyper claustrophobic. Really? The point where like I can't even have a window seat on the airplane. Really? Like I would rather a middle seat than a window because it's like one less person to like jump over, you know. But the window doesn't give you like that saving space. That's like a wall and now there's two people. It's not outside. Wall and this side and two people here. I'm like, oh, no, I'm thinking you might be the first person ever to say they prefer the middle seat. Not overnight. I'm not saying. How what's what would be your mental game in the chamber then now here you are. You've been climbing for like. Kind of take them there. I was going to but I won't go too deep. But it's like, say maybe even five minutes, right? Not even that long. You're in the pyramid. Yeah, in the case chamber. You're like things are starting to feel tight. Yeah. And constricted. And now there's a line of people behind you. And if you were to turn around, they all have to turn around. No, I'm not turning around in this situation. This is the pyramids once in a lifetime opportunity. So how do you get there in your head? How do you overcome that kind of claustrophobic? It's the same way you overcome, like not wanting to go to the gym. Like you just put your sneakers on and then like you pick up your bag. There's no other option. Yeah, like just one step in front of the other. Yeah, no other option. Yeah, that's sort of how you approach things. Yeah. And especially if I'd flown all the way from United States or Ireland all the way to Egypt, I'm not going to like chicken out at like the last. So what is your end goal? Like how deep do you want to go in there? Deep as you can. I want to go into like the King's Chamber and like lay down in the granite box. Wow. Can you do that? You know, to write people. Oh, yeah. Oh, I don't think it's even that. I think it's like literally the people that you know. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. So Peru is some place. And what do you believe? And are you I know you're a creative thinker, but you seem to be a very fact based person. Yeah. So like what is your perspective? So I went down the traditional like storyline, I guess, of history. And then I kind of like swerved a little bit to like an alternative history, like of what's been thought. But now I think I'm back to the traditional. Oh, yeah. The more the more like I research. And the other theory is that there was advanced technology here before. Right. I definitely think there was advanced technology. But what that is, I don't know. It could have been like humming to like levitate like some sort of like frequencies or sounds that like we understood different. Yeah. I'm not necessarily talking about like cranes and saws. Right. But there was something that those people knew that we can't do now. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. Like there's no way they can like build it that. I've heard theories about sound wave technology. Yeah. And the things I can do. And then I've heard conspiracy theories, right? That like then the government came in and changed the frequency of what you can listen to and all that stuff. Yeah. And they changed the colors of the lights. Yeah. They make us more tired. Yeah. But I like. I don't know. Like all these conspiracies are like super interesting and like can be like super attractive. Sure. Like what nobody's going to that much trouble to like pull the wool over people's eyes. Maybe there is some truth in the fact that the wattage has changed and it is worse first, but I don't think that was someone going. Oh, we can't plan. I'm going to mess up all the people by changing the light bulbs. Like our wife is going to poison everyone. It's my plan. You know, evil mastermind. I know that was. Yeah. It's nightly whiplash. So have you seen age of disclosure? Yes. So what do you think about that? You have those age of disclosure was you. These now again, that would be yet. UAPs, UAPs, yeah, unidentified anomalous phenomenon. I think it means. And so basically, I had to change from UFO. I think it's to do it like the Zeichreist and like like UFO had such a bad connotation and like. Yeah. And I guess these things seem to go in and out of water as well. Exactly. Yeah. So it's not just flying. Exactly. You know your stuff. Yeah, I'm learning. Wow. Yeah. And. What was the question again about? Oh, age of disclosure. Yeah, that's like that's kind of ancient apocalypse and age is disclosure would be like the perfect gateway documentaries into those topics. Yeah, like at most age of disclosure, I knew I knew already. Yeah, but it's super interesting, really, really interesting stuff. And there's like. It's like a. It's weird because everyone has a phone. So you think there should be more evidence of these alien or even these this phenomenon in the sky, whether it's an orb or a craft, but. There's not a lot. Right. But there's still a lot of like people talking about it. There's like way too many people talking about Bob Lazar story. Yeah. And S4 is new. His new like a documentary came out last week about. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good too. Yeah. And that's a real good because I'd heard Bob Lazar story for many years. But I guess now you can like visualize it because he's been part of like, like, I guess they use some sort of AI imagery to like create what he described. Oh, yeah. Made it by hand even. You're right. Yeah. They use some AI because I just listened to them on Rogan Rogan. So that's how I knew about it. But I think it was made by hand. Yeah, I think. But recreated. Yes. And Bob Lazar said it looks. Yeah, absolutely specifically what it was. And that's what Logan has a video of. Oh, have you talked to Logan? I I haven't talked to him, but I seen the video he put out the other day. What video did he put out the other day? Did he put it out? And nobody thinks it's anything. Well, you can't really see much in it. That's the problem, right? Is like, like everyone says there's so many people talk about it, but there's so little credible evidence. Except the saucers that Bob Lazar seems to have but that's that's one person saying it, right? And we have to believe him. Well, but no, it's not because then it's you add in the age of disclosure people. Yeah. And now there's more people. But what I'm saying is there's lots of people saying lots of things. Yeah, that's true. But shows the proof. We don't have anything physically. So there is some truth to it, I'm sure. But do I believe in what that we walked on the moon as people? I've gone back and forth over this. For years and I'm back on the side that we did go. But I also have a feeling maybe we didn't stop going. That we didn't get out. Well, we know we just like we've been going the whole time since the 70s. And they just don't publicize it. Haven't talked about it. Yeah, like to have some crazy. I don't know how could you launch a rocket with people not knowing? Seems like I might not be a rocket. You think our technology is already advanced past that? Well, there's so much money wasted in like black budget projects. Right. That like where's it? Wouldn't it be nice to know it was actually getting you somewhere? I got a space elevator to the moon. Look, I want to believe in all these crazy. Yeah, I don't know. They're just also fast. I'm on the fence. I'm super into them. Like I love entertaining them. But like if it came to the crunch of like on camera, like on the record. Right. You're taking a polygraph. I'm going to say I'm going to lean on on the no. But I do. But your storyteller. I do believe there's alien life. I do believe alien life has visited Earth. I just don't know in like what context. Yeah, you know, are we like an ant farm for them? You know, and they're just coming in and monitoring us. Oh, yeah, I heard that too. Yeah. And that we were engineered. Yeah, I've heard all that. Yeah. What if they're messing with the lights? It's possible. New theory. Yeah. Benders, other stories about like they've been here all along. They live like under the ground. Yeah, or in the water. Yeah, under the underwater. Yeah. And. But I'll literally like I won't give you any good content about this. I'm going to go, yeah, could be real, could be not. I'm super interested in it. Like I'll waste most of my free time on these type of topics. That's where it's that's where it's a great conversation. Yeah, but I'm not like I'm not like attached to either side of the believer. So to speak, I believe everything. I believe I believe it's true and I believe it's fake. Like one way. You're not hard. I believe the guys who do bunk it on. I believe the guys who say it's all interesting and M.H. three seventies and I don't want to be looked at down that rabbit hole. Oh, yeah. OK, there's a there's a couple good documentaries about how that was there. That was teleported to a warm hole. No, as a as a shot as like a show of strength from the government towards China. There's a guy Ashton Forbes. If you look up, he goes into the in depth. All right, we've got it. And again, it's banana. It's banana stuff, but like it's super entertaining. Yeah, I'm totally going to look. Well, it's so fun. Right. I mean, and it's just that's the thing, right? It's fun. Yeah. It's it's literally like a type of entertainment. And I don't think I don't think we'll ever get the answer. It's kind of like the inquirer. What's that? Oh, inquiring minds want to know. Yes, it was like a tabloid. Oh, OK. And it would be like alien baby was on the cover of almost every. Oh, really? Yeah. And it would have a picture. They was they were usually pretty bad. Yeah, pretty pretty bad quality. But people love the National Enquirer and had subscriptions. And wow. Yeah. It's like our as humans, our entertainment is sort of still the same. It just changes in format. Yeah. You know, and that's all these topics. All these topics are to me are like entertainment. Like they're super entertaining and I'm not like attached to. So, you know, Paul always tells me because like I'll go deep with some of this stuff or some of the other stuff that's out there. And then he's like, yeah, and at the end of the day, how does this impact your day? Yeah, I know what. Does anything change for you? I'll be having breakfast. Believe in something. I'll be having breakfast, talking to Varro and like, you know, say, how you want to see this thing I seen last night about stuff in Peru and tunnels like going from Cusco to Peru. She was just like, roller eyes. OK, dude, come on. Who said this? Get it out. I know you want to say it. And again, like I'll, you know, be up all night, like not being able to sleep. But then I like, you know, get up the next morning and be like, OK, well, I got to go to work or get a plane. Like, yeah, it's not really going to affect my life. No. And. But it's just maybe one day it will. Do you think? Well, do you think there'll be disclosure? I have no idea. Yeah, you know, I'm kind of in the same boat. You are like, I love to listen to it. Yeah, I think certain things I can see, like. One of the things I found so fascinating at an age of disclosure was the notion of physics principles that apparently can't exist with gravity or something like that. And of course, I'm going to be watching a movie here. And maybe a couple of podcasts, but the time space continuum around the craft, right, the bubble and how it. You know, how it works, how it modifies space and time. And that is and how it explains how they're able to fly like up to a rocket that's going four thousand miles an hour or whatever. And it flies up to the rocket. They see it on technology and then it flies to the side and it shines a light. According to these people, and then it goes above and it goes below and then it leaves. Like, you shouldn't be able to catch up to a rocket. Yeah, given our how fast are they going? Right. And faster, obviously. And then how it goes in and out of the water. And that's been observed a lot by the military. Yeah. So so one of the main videos or the first videos was recorded at the Miami Air Show because there was a lot of people like video on the airplanes. And then I guess a guy the next day was looking back through his footage. And he noticed like a little flicker on the screen. So you played it like in super slow motion and you see this little like something like a little ball come out of the out of the ocean and just straight up into the split second. That's why people haven't seen it. And I live in Miami now. So I'm always like looking at the water. I'm like looking at the water and I do this. I do this to my wife works for Telemundo and she works on a night show. So I'll be at home alone. Right. Most nights. And I'll like look at the window and be looking at the sky and I'll like look at the stars and I say, Hey, guys, I know you're there. I say, come say hello. I'm friendly. I swear. Right. And I'll do this. Most maybe you'll you'll make something happen. I think you can like if it's out there, maybe I can like bring it towards me. Weird alien virtual reality movie. And it was I think it was UK based. Oh, God. Did anybody see anything that matches this description? And so you'd get the headset and you'd put it on and you'd have to play the game. And everybody experienced it was ultimately because this alien race had been contacted and they were on their way. But it was going to take them light years, right? It's good, but they're in route and they're communicating with us. And it's the technology that they use to communicate with us to find out who we are. Only the people who can figure it out can have this direct communication. Is this no, I don't think that's the name of it. In usual. No, that's. Say it again. Three body problem. Yeah, it's awesome. OK, well, that's going on. Yeah, I love it. I loved it. It was but it's the yeah. And it's still at the end of the day, a human story. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's like, but it's cool. OK. It's like a fascinating concept. I'm going to check that. I hope I didn't give anything away. I'll have forgotten anyway. OK, good. I also think like this idea of like sending like radio signals into space to like try and like make contact. Yeah. But I think it's quite dangerous. Like if I'm in the jungle, like at nighttime, I'm not going to be like, hey. Yeah, the lion. Tiger is going to come and eat me. Right. Right. Like that's kind of like what we're playing with, like by sending those radio signals out in the I agree. We don't know what's out there. We're our happy little blue green planet. Yeah. You want to go to the craziest one, like the Flat Earth stuff and like the Firmant and like you can't actually get out there. I don't know a lot of that. I don't believe that. I haven't even. That's one I don't even entertain. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. I was worried you were going to say, yeah, I believe that one too. Yeah, no, no. Yeah. I haven't agreed to any of them. Steph, did you watch Artemis take off? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was impressive. It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I was a little disappointed they didn't live stream as much as possible. Like like everything that was possible to live stream should have been live streamed, I think. Like what? Like what did they miss? Like the whole journey there should have been live streamed. Yeah. Do you think it's like a lawsuit kind of thing? I feel like it's because God forbid something happens. Do you watch it live? Well, yeah, the landing was like we had a bunch of kids sitting watching and we're all like, I don't hope nothing happens. Right. Yeah. I mean, it was I was in fourth grade when the challenger blew up. Yeah, I can imagine. And we were all watching. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of televisions. Yeah. Yeah. Did we talk about this? No. Really? I we've we've recently discussed it, I think. Yeah. But yeah, I remember that. Kristi McCullough, right? Yeah. And we all like as a kid, right? You know what a teacher is. You're so excited. There's a teacher up there. That was very hard. So I think I think that's why they might not. I mean, it's my guess. But still, we would have if devil's advocate. I'm not saying it's right. No, no, no, you seen challenger explode live on TV. And you would have seen Artemis if that had been the case, because it was live on TV. Yeah. But what I'm saying is once they get out of that, like, like risky elements under like under trajectory to the moon. I feel like that all should have been live. It would have been cool. It would have been cool. Yeah. I don't know. They got to go back. I think they think they've seen anything on the dark side of the moon that they're not allowed to tell us about. It's a great question. Because that's another reason why I wanted it live streamed. Now, I know you can't live stream from the other side of the moon. Could they just put cameras on the outside of the shuttle? Yeah. And share my theory is that they can't edit a live stream. And if it was any kind of orbs that showed up, like, looked suspicious or weird. No, I agree. I think there's all kinds of stuff. There's many, many reasons I could think of it. Yeah. Life. It would have been really cool, though. It would. It would have been. Yeah. And what is out there? Would you like to go to space? You know, it's funny. I would like to say yes, because I'm like a big risk taker. And I do think it would be beautiful to see the earth from space. Yeah. One of the things I loved was the one astronaut who seemed to have like a like a spiritual awakening on this journey. And he came back and was just so grateful for everything and saw humanity. Like you were saying, the elephant so close. Yeah. Like we're all alone. Yeah. I think it's like the overview effect they call it. Where like, where you like, you zoom out and you can see the whole earth and see how fragile it is. Yeah. And like. And like we are an ant colony, right? That only thing we have is each other. Yeah. And like when you see the earth from space, like there's no borders. Right. There's no there's no colors. There's no religions. No. Like it's just like a little place that we all live on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's I think it would be something beautiful. It'd be something if like everyone on the planet could experience that. Yeah. And it might bring us closer together. It would if if people. Would be willing to see it. Some people just aren't willing to look at it any differently. Right. But while some people don't even have the capacity to think about it because they're so busy struggling day to day to survive and get by and make money to like feed their kids and pay mortgages and rents. So for some people, I feel very lucky that I'm able to like have a comfortable life to not have to worry about like day to day stuff and like entertain myself with these wacky ideas, you know, because it's really just like feeling to feel and avoid that like. Is there. Because I've had like incredible success in this business. Because you've been an incredible success in this business. And you've had incredible success. But I'm just saying I'm highlighting where you are. Well, I feel very fortunate for the life that I have. And that life affords me free time to like entertain these ideas where like my brothers, they have to work right like nonstop, right? Like raise their kids and pay mortgages and they don't time to even entertain this. And if I say to my brother, own like, hey, did you hear about this S4 documentary? No, dude, like I was taking my daughter to dance and then I was taking my son to football then. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. It's like dealing with real life. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Big news, WWE and sports fans. The world's number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest, is making its return to New York City. Fanatics is bringing you closer to the leagues, teams, superstars and athletes you love across four action packed days in July. Meet your favorite WWE superstars, get your hands on exclusive merch and interact with the biggest names in sports. Then fans of the show can get a 10 percent discount by using Steph 10 at checkout. That's S T E P H the number one, the number zero at checkout. So I don't know. This is kind of a loaded question. Yeah. So if you don't feel comfortable or we feel like it's too sensitive, I don't have to ask it. Do you feel like you should feel guilty because you have this, you know, extra time that your brothers don't. Oh, I've had that guilt for a long time. But do you think you should? I've been thinking about this recently and the guilt has been getting. More prominent. The longer my career has gone and I think earlier in my career, when like you're chasing, you're chasing the dream and you're trying to be successful and you're trying to make money to get yourself comfortable to get. Yeah. Like that's. I'm sacrificing time with my family to like follow my dream, right? And achieve these targets that have set myself. And like when I've kind of, I've achieved more than I could ever have imagined in this business and I've reached all these like targets and goals that I've ever imagined really once I won the universal title like that one time. Yeah. That for me, that was the top of the mountain. And like, I know a lot of people say, oh, what if he didn't get hurt? Whatever. But that's the highest you can get. Yeah. That's like a lot of people say, oh, he got hurt and he relinquished the title. That's like a, that's like a tragedy. But like for me, it's a success story. Like I got to the top. So once I got there and then like I became like financially comfortable, like through the company, that's where I started to question like, why am I doing this now? Because I'm away from all the people that I love. Like my family are at home in Ireland. I'm here in, in America like wrestling. And it's before it was a trade off of you're not with your family, but you're following your dream. Now I'm not with my family, but I have my dream and I have, like I don't need anything else here. Right. I don't need any more money. I don't need any more success. I don't need any more attention. So why am I doing it? Why are you doing it? I don't know. Like it's the, are you driven to do it? No, I'm driven to be in the ring and perform at the highest level every time I get in there. But, and I want to be in there, but I still don't know is that worth. Not being with family. I know, I know the question and I know there's going to be a point in my life where I'm definitely going to regret it. But I also know that my family will be upset with me if I gave up this to be with them. They'd be like, well, what are you doing here? I think you should be, you should be wrestling while you can. You'd want you to be happy. So you need to think about what makes you happy. Yeah. Because you bring whatever it is you're feeling, you bring that home, right? Like anybody. Yeah. And if what you're doing fulfills you and makes you happy, then when you are home, you're like a greater person to be around. Yeah. And whereas if you're unhappy and the only time you have with them, you're like, you know, you're not your best self because you're upset for whatever reason. They can feel that too. So I would think that they would want you to do what makes you happy, but that's up to you to figure out. Like I'm with my wife in United States and it's the two of us. She lives in her family live in Mexico City. My family live in Ireland. So we're kind of like here, like we've got our own little island, which is beautiful and we've a great relationship. But there's certainly an aspect of like loneliness where we don't have a support system. And that's always the kind of the thing that I question. Like, should I be doing this job? And what you want to play, you know, and you, you guys moved to Mexico and she could be with her family and you could like be a part of this now, you know, part of WWE. That's pretty fascinating. It's super fascinating. But again, I don't know if I want to give up the WWE, right? Because I want to perform at the top. I want to be on the biggest shows. I want to be on WrestleMania. I want to be on SummerSlam. I want to be on Raw. I want to be on Raw. But deep down, I struggle daily with like what I'm giving up for that. Right. And it's not like, I get so, I want to say jealous, but I'm so envious of the guys who have their families here in the United States. And they just like fly home on Tuesday morning after Raw, they fly home and they're with their kids and with their mom and they can go see their dad or whatever. Like for me and Vero, we just like come home from work. But our families are still far away. So what's the solve on that? Like whose family would you go live near if we don't have a song? Well, as the solve would be like 50 50. Like if I want, once I'm done wrestling, maybe do like a couple of months in US, couple of months in Mexico, a couple of months in Ireland. That would be the dream. Well, there you go. And I realize how like blessed I am to have that opportunity to do that. So that's a plan. Yeah, that's a plan. Right. So then you can work backwards. Yeah. I don't want this to come across like super like depressing and sad because I love my job. Love you. So there will be some of that, you know, because they want you to love it, right? But here's, here's where I think here's what I hope. Yeah. No matter. And the company is, is different than it was. But no matter how much things change, what hopefully will never change is what we do in the ring. And hopefully what will never change is the culture of the people. Because it is, and I'm going to talk about this in my speech, but it is the most loving, supportive community, I think that there is. And sure, there's a lot of hate on social or whatever. But, but for the most part, we come from all over the world and all different backgrounds, all different political affiliations, whatever they might be with anyone. And from Africa to, you know, Boston, Massachusetts, like we all love this business. And I hope and pray that our culture and community never changes. And I really don't think it ever will. I can't see a change. Yeah. Because it is who we are. Yeah. And I think like, there's so many good role models. Like for me to look up to, and then now that I'm kind of like one of the older statesmen in the locker room, it's like my responsibility to like show those guys. Like the right way had to act and had to be like in the business, like not in the ring, but, you know, and so I feel like we have enough good guys that can like show the next generation and the next generation. And now I think the business itself is in a really good place. I'm just not sure where my place is. Right. Because it's got to be right for you. Yeah. I mean, it does. Yeah. And that's. I always kind of like, imagine myself going back to Japan to finish my career in Japan. Yeah, like even when I even like, I didn't want to leave Japan, but I kind of wanted to roll the dice with WWE and give it a try. And like, if I had it like, I had a year at NXT and then it didn't work out, I would have happily went back to Japan. Well, and what do you love about Japan? I like how everything is just exactly as you see it. There's no bullshit. Like people are straight with you. It's yes or no answers. And everything's clean, organized. Maybe I was immune to the politics because I didn't speak the language so good. So like I was kind of like there. Yeah. And obviously, like when you look back on any time, like romantically, you always kind of like hold that up, like right? Sure. Higher. You fell in love there. I fell in love at some point. I fell in love with Japan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, but. I don't want to go back to wrestling in Japan. I don't think I'd love to go back to Japan. Right. I'm there, but maybe it'll be one of your quarters. Yeah. You knew it. Fourth. Yeah. And when when we go back with the WWE, it's absolutely incredible. Like to perform for WWE in Japan. That's the dream. That would be awesome. Maybe when you set up an NXT Japan and. Now you're talking. Yeah. Now you're talking. Paul might need a right hand man to run it. He might. Yeah. Can eat you up. You should. You should mention that to him. Yeah. Me and Shinsuke, I think would do a good job over there. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Oh man. That would be awesome. Yeah. God, that would be incredible. That would be really cool. Yeah. Go back to my dojo training. You're already here first. Yeah. 500 squats out the gate. There you go. Yeah. So tell me about that culture. And so I was 24 years old. I had moved to my aunt's house in Boston to do like independent wrestling. And I got seen by a scout who said, Hey, do you want to come and train with us in Los Angeles? We're affiliated with New Japan Pro Wrestling. So of course I would love to go train. So I was training there about two months and they said, Hey, we like what you're doing. We'd like you to come and be a young boy for three months and like you won't wrestle. And did you know what that meant? Yes. I was very familiar. Yeah. Okay. So basically you're not a good surprise. Basically to be a young boy in in wrestling in New Japan is kind of like to be an apprentice. So your role is really to clean the dojo, to clean the house, to wash the gear of the older wrestlers, which are called senpai. It's like your senior wrestler and to train. So we would wake up every morning, we would clean the dojo, clean the ring, clean the house, clean the toilets, clean outside the street. Everything was very like military precision, right? Systematic. Yeah. From there we would go into the, into the dojo. We would start with 500 squats, 200 pushups and rope climbs. Then what we do, like blow up drills, like burpees and skipping. And then the wrestlers would come. Skipping. Yeah. Like jump, jump rope. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because skipping is actually hard to do. It's hard. With your kids, you're like, damn, this is actually kind of a workout. I can't picture you guys skipping around. No. I'm sorry. So I'm sorry. No, no, no. Yeah. So that was it. So I was kind of there to do like a three month like internship, like in, in New Japan and after a couple of weeks of training, they said, oh, we'd like it to have a match and I had my first match and all of a sudden I'm on the shows now, but like I'm in the opening spot and part of the culture was like, Hey, you're not allowed to wear like any flamboyant gear. Like the young boys have to be very like kind of discreet. So I was like, like, like, black boots, black tights. And then I remember it was like the end of my three months, like excursion there. And I was about to go home and Lager, who was the booker at the time, came to me and said, we'd like you to come back. Like, would you like to come back? And I said, absolutely. This is my dream. And yeah, three months turned into like eight years. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. And I thought I was going to stay there my whole career. Did you learn the language? I never like consciously studied a book, but like I picked up a lot. Right. Because you're immersed in it. Yeah. Yeah. So like, you know, I could like, where's the train station? Like, where's the toilet? Can I get some beers? Like, simple stuff. It's been a sense of these. Yeah. Like, yeah, like I knew how to tell the taxi driver how to take me home and stuff. So yeah. Yeah. And I thought I was going to stay there for my career. Then I came here. And it's weird because I always thought like England was going to be the biggest chunk of my career doing six years there. And I thought like, I'll do a couple months in Japan and then just move home to Ireland. And then all of a sudden I'd done eight years in Japan. And I thought like when I came to NXT, well, Japan's always going to be the biggest chapter of my career. I'm going to do like a year or two in NXT or be finished. And now I'm, I think I'm 12, 13 years here with the company. So. So you never thought, I mean, you did though, right? You thought the main roster was. And becoming the champ. That was the end goal. That's the end goal for everyone that starts in the business. Did you not think that it was possible? It was so far of a stretch of reality grown up in a small town in Ireland to be the WWE champion that my goal when I started training in England was simply to have one match. Like that was like my target. Do you think that that's a good life strategy when you're, you know, approaching something that you love to do it in chunks like that and to be forward looking but not so forward looking? Or do you think it's better to have your destination, you know, and then do every little thing you can do? I know there's this like, belief of people like visualizing and like making your dreams reality by like picturing yourself holding the title and all. That's something I've never done. Right. I've always been like, no, like, what's the next thing I have to do? Right. You're always looking once. I compartmentalize everything and like approach it like step by step. I've never like thought like, how do I get from A to Z? I would need to get from A to B first. Right. Yeah. Then figure out the rest. Are you ready to hold WWE history in the palm of your hand? Tops is bringing you closer to the action than ever before with WWE Tops Now. 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Childhood, I was always drawn and sketching and painting, and that was by far like my strongest subject in school. I pretty much flunked out of most classes except art. You just weren't interested. Yeah, yeah. Do you think it's the way they taught you? Yeah. Because I feel like we've like, there's definitely truth to the statement that we've been taught the same way for like 100 years. 100 years, yeah. I mean, things have changed. We should probably change that. Yeah, I think there should be a lot more variety into the way kids are educated. I mean, I know my mom is working very hard on that. Yeah. Every state is working on that. But yeah, it's like, there needs to be a whole sale change and how and every individual learns differently and how can I help with that, right? Where some kids more advanced and gets a different direction than some kid who's struggling in whatever given subject, right? Yeah. So that everybody advances at their own level versus those at the top kind of getting bored because they've already learned it and those at the bottom feeling like they never actually really learned it. So they're always behind. Yeah, feeling like less adequate than everyone, right? And everyone else seems to know what the hell they're talking about. Yeah, but yeah, art was like the one thing that like I felt like I could express myself easily with. So like I would draw and doodle and paint and like my art grades were great and my like other grades were terrible. Yeah. Yeah. What was there a particular like, did you was painting more of what you were into or sketching or? Probably my I was best at like pencil drawn. Okay. But like I did do some painting and stuff like that too. Do you find yourself ever doodling on the road? Like do you ever grab a sketchbook and? Yeah, occasionally like I'll doodle out like ideas for the demon or different stuff. You know what I'd love to do as a job in the company? Okay. Going forward. I have no pull. I'll keep it to myself then. He's like, I'm not going to share this good idea. No, I'm very interested in like how visually the show looks. Yes. So like the screens, the lighting, like how we present people. Yeah, the presentation of it. I like the the the smoke and the fireworks and stuff like that. I'm very interested in that. I'm like how we could adapt that and change it and make it better and more interactive. I've always thought like we should have more beach balls in the crowd. Well, we do after WrestleMania, right? Typically it's the UK crowd. Yeah. They come in, they do it. Which is quite ironic because like beach balls in England or not. I know right? The weather is pretty terrible. Oh, that is weird. Only in WWE. I'm also impressed you called it soccer and not football. I know. Well, I've been conditioned now. I've been conditioned. Damn. You have lived here a long time. Dependent on whom speaking to I'll lead or say like rubbish or garbage, you know, and things like this, you know, like shameless. You'll differentiate. You'll say rubbish. Yeah. Yeah. From talking to shameless. Yeah. Throw that in the bin. Throw that in the bin for me. Yeah. And he knows what you're talking about. I gotta go to the loo. You'll say, yeah, I can get on the trash. I would never ask you to put something in the trash. Oh, no. Why not? Except this podcast. Oh, no. You don't like him. No, just this episode. This is episode. That wasn't a shot. You don't think it's a good episode? It's the road. You already just feel uncomfortable. I just don't like talking about myself. Yeah. But it's more your perspective on things. Yeah. Right. Like this is that. I mean, it's however you want it to be, right? This particular pod and conversation is open. Yeah. So, you know. I must say, and my wife will be happy I said this, that my wife absolutely adores you. And like she feels that you are responsible solely for the women's evolution. Oh, God bless her. Yeah, she says that all the time. Certainly I am not. Yeah. You know, that took everybody, everybody, male and female, truthfully to make that happen. Yeah. But that's so sweet of her. Well, if it was a team effort, you were certainly captain of the team. I was part of the team. Yeah. It's part of the team. Yeah. But that's very sweet. She's very excited to see you get inducted into the Hall of Fame. No. Please tell her thank you. Are you nervous about the Hall of Fame? Hopefully I get to give her a hug. Are you nervous about it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. The tables have turned. Let's not. Only this week got into the acceptance part this week. And so now I'm good and I'm excited, but now it's Thursday. It's tomorrow. So now. Now I'm getting nervous again. And my kids just got here and my mom and my girls are inducting me. Fantastic. Yeah. And it's so, it's amazing. You know, and I told them, because they're all worried about what they're going to say, you know, and I'm like, guys, I don't care if you don't say anything. Just you being up there. Like representing who I hold most dear, you know, and Paul, he said he's going to sit there in the front row and it's like, that's everything. You know. Yeah. I think I would be more nervous for Hall of Fame than WrestleMania. It's crazy. Yeah. And it's, it is a process. Right. And it's funny because Paul asked me because he interviewed me the other day and he asked me because he knows what it feels like because obviously he's Hall of Famer. And he said, did you find yourself starting to relive a lot of things you had forgotten? And I was like, yes. I feel like that's the best part about the speech writing. It is. You like get to remember every moment you had to get to this place. And it's crazy to think about really your life, your life, wild and it's so fun. I'm so blessed. I'm so blessed. What a wild ride. And it's not over. No, I know it's not. Not at all. Halfway there. Yeah. That's how I feel totally. But it is still 50 years of my life and looking back on that and like all of these things that I just forget, you know, because they were just such a part of my life, my regular life. And so often like in this business, like we kind of, we never look backwards, right? Because like there's always the next show so soon. Always. And I always get like asked, like, oh, you happy with like what you've done in your career? I'm like, I always say no. Like I want the next thing. I'm not looking that way. Like I'm looking this way. And like someday I will look back and go, oh, that was cool. But like I'm not ready to look back yet. No. Yeah. It's, it's funny though. I just watched Sean's documentary and he talks about being able to appreciate the moment. Yeah. And sometimes we're so busy moving forward. Yeah. That we don't take in what's happening. Yeah. When it's that real time. Yeah. You know, and I think that's important to try to do that as much as possible. Yeah. I think it's also important and this is something I don't do enough. And I'm trying to do more is like actually like celebrate an achievement. Yes. You know, because like it kind of like exclamation points it. Hell yeah. And like feel good about it. And for the longest time, like I'd stopped going to the WrestleMania after party because just not my scene. I just don't want to be in the room with people. You're brother makes a day. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that too. I was just getting beat up in front of thousands of people. But I remember last year, like it was the first time in a long time I actually went to the after party and it was, I remember that more than I remember WrestleMania and it was just like such a good atmosphere to be around. Oh, that's so great. Yeah. So I really hope there's an after party this year. Yeah. I don't know even. Yeah. Yeah. I'll talk to TR about that. Okay. Okay. I can put it on my list. Yeah. My list that doesn't go to her. I do feel like that's a pretty good practice. Like when you hit 50, you should stop and reflect on. Yeah. Like that's a kind of a beautiful like pause and think about how great and maybe not so great and lessons you've learned. Yeah. How far you've come really because we all make mistakes, you know, and we all hurt people along the way unintentionally or intentionally, you know. But, you know, we, it should be a celebration we get as far as we do. Right. Like life is, life is a journey and it's funny. I was going to ask you, I heard Diana Niaid who I quote all the time and she was this woman who swam from Cuba to Florida. Okay. And she started trying in her 20s. She wasn't successful until her 60s. She took a big break in the middle, but it was an incredible story. There's a book on it if you're interested, but she, her quote was, it's not about who you become once you reach your destination. It's about who you become along the way. And I think that's so beautiful and it's like we're all, we're all human. We're all learning. We're all growing, hopefully on this journey and we're going to make mistakes. Yeah. And that's okay. Yeah. You know, and we should, we should feel good about ourselves and where we are and not have to feel any other way about it. You know, it's our life. We only have one life. Yeah. Just enjoy it. Enjoy it. Yeah. It goes so fast. I think I'm very guilty of like putting off pleasure, like saying like, I'll celebrate that in the future. Right. Or when I'm retired, I'll do that. Yeah. Which in a lot of cases has to be the case. For example, to go to Egypt and Peru, you need like weeks, right? Which I don't know. Sure. Right. So I actually hope I make it to that point. In this, I don't know. You could maybe take a very well planned couple months or something. I don't know. Can you talk to your husband? No, no. I knew it. We're adding it to the list. Elise, will you put that on the list, please? Thank you. Item number four. Maybe we could do like a Netflix collaboration with Graham Hancock and Finn Balder. Totally. Yes. Oh. Oh, my list. Add to the list. Yes. Got it. I like that one. Well, and Paul and probably Logan, right? Like you guys are all genuinely fascinated with it. That would be a really cool episode. Yeah. Because I find the celebrities that come in, like I saw, well, I don't want to bury anybody, but it's like, Come on, give us the juice. Come on. They're not engaging. Think of the ratings. Think of the ratings. They're not, well, it seems like they're just not, they're not asking their best questions. And it's like, no, I know you, if you're on the show, clearly you are very interested in this and what's happening. So ask some good questions. You know? Yeah. I know you guys would. It'd be fun. Yeah, I got so many questions. Yeah. So one of the YouTubers that are ancient architects who I've become very friendly with, and I asked him, I said, like, so the Egyptians had the ability to like build these incredible tombs, like so precise, like aligned like the true north. But why wouldn't they build their homes and their schools and their public squares the same way to the same spec? And we would still see them now. Right. Because they're not a gods versus. Well, he would go into his own theories about like this was designed to last forever. And the homes were not. But I see your point. Yeah. Like, because if you were in that culture, you'd be like, no, I want one of those, please. Yeah. Well, if I can build this to die in, like, I'm going to build a nice one to live in too. Why wouldn't I want to live? Yeah. I don't know. And some cultures too, this life isn't supposed to be the life that you enjoy, right? It's that's on the other side. What is this life even, right? Crazy. I mean, that's a question. That's a whole other podcast. Honestly, though, I love life. Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes I think it's just, I'm now talking to myself. Interesting. Like it's my own consciousness, just like talking to myself. Okay. And then like, You mean when we're having a conversation, you feel like? I feel like this whole thing is created like in my consciousness and like it's a projection. Well, that's another theory. I've heard that too. Yeah. Yeah. But it only becomes physical if more than one person is engaging in the same belief. Yeah. That's what I've heard. So it becomes reality when you and I are creating it together. Right? Yep. Yep. If you might buy into this here. You might be alone on this one. I've read this too. Like I know exactly what you're talking about. What about simulation theory, the internet one? I don't know. Because I don't know it as the simulation theory. So basically, like you remember, like when we're kids, they had Pac-Man, right? Yeah. And now we have Grand Theft Auto. Okay. Right. So like. Upgrade. Upgrade. Right? So it's obviously moving in a direction where it's very hard to distinguish reality from a video game. Sure. Right? So if we fast forward like 50 years, we could potentially be able to create this. So what's to say that this hasn't been created already. Right. And we're just playing it out. And we're like bots in the software. Who's the non-playable character? Yeah. That's the question. I'm just stuck walking into the wall. I'll tell you, it's crazy because my kids, my youngest part of the lingo now is like the main character energy or she's an NPC. Yeah. I've heard about this too. Yeah. Yeah. They speak in video game jargon. Wow. But in terms of non-playable character, like, and it doesn't have to mean it's an insult. It just means you're there, but you're not really part of my story. Like you're, you're. You don't have to be involved in this. I like to be. I like to be an NPC. I like to be a character. I planted it myself. Oh, I was. I take it back. Damn it. I didn't mean it. No. See. I didn't know. I didn't know the lingo. And Ryan Reynolds did some movie free guy. Oh, yeah. And that was it was actually a really good movie. And he was a non-playable character who became like he woke up or whatever. Yeah. And he was like challenging why he did the same thing every day the same way. And why do I do this? And like it was really interesting. Do you believe in free will or? I mean, I do, but it all depends. Like, so if you go back to the Triple H theory. Yeah. Of what I experience every day. Yeah. Then yes, I believe in free will. Yeah. And I know when it's taken away, right? And I don't like that feeling either. So I believe that I in my current existence, I believe I have the ability to choose whether or not I want to do or believe in something. Yeah. But it has consequences. Whatever my decision is. Yeah. You know, it's not like free will and just do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be in Egypt right now. Free will. Well, you could teleport there. Yeah. I mean. Being healed. The Luxor is down the street. Yeah. It's true. I know. Yeah, we could call Chris Angel. Yeah. Actually, last year I went to the Luxor just to like look around. We did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see his show? No, no, no. I just went inside to look around at the. And was it satisfying? No. Only on the outside. Yeah. From the outside it looks cool. I was like asking the internet, like, is that the same size as the pyramids? Trying to like get perspective. Right. And what did it say? It's not quite as big. Like a fraud. Yeah. It was maybe seven years ago. Yeah. I was maybe 70%. Oh. Yeah. I can't remember exactly. Bigger than I would have thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty impressive. I mean, I guess these hotels are huge. They're big. Huge. It took me like 15 minutes to walk from my room to here. Right. We're going to sweat. Yeah. Just get your steps in. I got in the air. 10,000 steps already. It's like lunchtime. That's the best part. Jackie went from our room to the lobby and back and it was 3,000 steps. Wow. Really? Isn't that crazy? 3,000 steps. Whoa. Are you a steps counter? No. I've never done it. What's annoying to me is I got an Apple Watch for a little bit. Yeah. And I didn't like not having like, I didn't like having a device on me telling me what to do all the time. Telling me to stand up and breathe. Oh, does it do that? Yes. Fuck you Apple Watch. I'm gonna shut it. Close all your rings. Yeah. I know. But so I stopped using it. Sorry. I stopped using it and now my fitness tracker doesn't realize that I don't have an Apple Watch anymore. Every day it says you're so close to closing your rings. And I'm like, I trained today. Yeah. It makes me so mad, but I can't delete that off my phone. I'll handle that. No, it won't let you. It's one of the ones that's like the hell. Yeah, it won't go away. Brother, yeah. You can maybe just turn the notifications off. You maybe you can help me. Like I said, it drives me crazy. I hate it. The things that are. Well, my phone might update. Maybe you can, my software won't update for months. So maybe you can help me with that. I'm not a tech person, but I just. Maybe one of you guys can. Yeah. Yeah, somebody here. I'm definitely not the person to ask. I have a weird. Every morning I wake up and it says your software has not updated like six months. So I get the fitness app at night and you get the in the morning. And now we'll have that. Every time I see my fitness tracker now, I'll think of your software. The thing with the watch though is it becomes or at least for me, like every day, I need to close the rings. I need to hit 10,000. Like it's great. It's kind of great. But I can't do it. And then like that there's like a Sunday where I'm alone with the two kids and I haven't like worked out and I'm 9000 something and I'm in the bedroom pacing before bed. I'm like, what am I doing? Yeah, it's sick. And I'm like, 10. Like it's kind of you're kind of like a machine though. I mean, she is like, if she is set to task, those tasks are happening. I am like, no matter what and they are getting done and completed or she can't deal with life. Sorry, was that me? Yes. You guys, are you guys list makers? I know you joke about, no, because I'm a super list. No, I have to make it all on a list too. Because otherwise it doesn't get done. Yeah. My wife rolls her eyes and she sees me making a list. She says, you and your lists. Do you want things done or not? Yeah, that's the only way. I remember my parents saying to me as a kid that I was making a list to make a list. And I kind of was like, oh, this is probably a little bit much. Like I literally was like update notebook list and was like, oh, wow. On a sticky CD. I mean, now it works. Okay. It works. So, wow, Finn, this has been a very unexpected and awesome interview. I've really enjoyed our conversation. I've really enjoyed it too. Because you know, I've always wanted to get to know you a little bit better. You and Paul have always had like a good relationship. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then there was a bus ride with Aurora. Yes. Yes. And a plane. Yes, to bus ride. To bus plane, I think. Yep. Oh, and a plane. Plane on a bus? Yeah, plane on a bus. Yeah. All right. And I remember the first time I met you at NXT. Because for some reason I had your list of names. And I was like, hey, it's so great to meet you. And I've got this list of names for you. And I think it maybe caught you off guard. I'm not sure. It definitely caught me off guard. Um, your reaction was like so like, I didn't, I clearly like. I'm like, where do I put my hands to? And I didn't mean to put you in a bad spot, you know, and then I felt real bad that like I put you on the spot. Well, it's, it was kind of a funny time because I came into NXT and like obviously had to like change my character, change my name, change everything. And it had been a couple of weeks being at the performance center, like without yourself and Paul being there. And like I was dealing with like people that were employees of the performance center. And they were giving me their input. And I'm thinking like, who is this guy? Like he doesn't really, I don't know him. He doesn't know me. I've been doing this 16 years. Right. Like he doesn't even know who I am. And it was just very confused. And I'm very like, um, like I didn't know who the boss was for weeks. It felt like weeks. It could have been two weeks. Oh, were you? Yeah. And, and I remember like the first TV tape and I was at when you and Paul were there, everything became like so much more clearer. It was just like, I knew who, who to speak to to get the answers that like everyone was like, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, let me check. Let me ask. Let me see what they say. But then I just had like a, like, Clear line. Yeah. Yeah. Always better. Much better. Much better. Much better. Cut out the middle man and actually got a funny story. Yeah. Which I don't think I've ever told them. Oh really? Oh, general. So we're in full sale and we're in like that parking area at the back of full sale. Yep. Which was kind of like the outside of gorilla, like the backstage. Right. And then there was like the other school where there was the auditorium. Exactly. Yeah. And then behind that, the movie set. Exactly. Yeah. So I mean, like, I mean, I'm between the auditorium and the gorilla. Okay. And I'm talking to Mr. Regal and to Paul. And I guess Sammy Zane is over in the background, just observing, you know, because we're good buddies and he's kind of observing. And I'm talking with Paul and we're having a good conversation. I said, I've got all these ideas and blah, blah, blah. And he said, oh yeah, just text me to him anytime. And he gives me his number. So I take out my phone and I put in the number. Then like as I walk away and I go back over to Sammy's, did you just get triple H's number? I'm like, yay, just came. He's always like, whoa, bro, I'm so proud. It's like, you know, when you see your friend at the bar getting the number from like a really hot girl. And I go, so proud for you, bro. That's hilarious. Do you know what's funnier is that's exactly what I thought of when you were telling the story. With bias to Sammy's aim. That's so funny. Yeah. And everything became like a lot easier from that point forward when I just had like a direct line of communication. It was not like middleman. He had a clear vision and definitely knew who you were and brought you in for a reason. And here's what it is. Because I remember also that same day. It might have actually been the same conversation that led to the phone number exchange was when I signed with WWE, everyone said, ah, you're going to be the Irish leprechaun. You're going to be Horn Swaggle's tag team partner. You know, they're not going to, you're going to be a cartoon like you can forget about doing all those body paints, you can forget about all that stuff. And so then I'm at the performance center. There's no real answers. No one's really in charge. So everyone's going to say, maybe this, maybe that. So I'm just doing my training and keeping my head down. Right. And then when I finally meet Paul and have the conversation, we're talking back and forth and we're with Mr. Regal talking about just like wrestling and Japan. And then Paul just kind of like folds his arms and he says, so tell me about this body paint. And I remember just going, ah, okay, maybe we can do it here. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And that's how it kind of got started. That's so cool. Yeah. But what's the original body paint? So the original concept behind the body paint was I had, I'd been squeaky clean white meat baby face in Japan for a long time. I'd recently turned heel and I was against a new open common baby face Kota Abushi, who's an incredible athlete. And it was Wrestle Kingdom, which is the WrestleMania of New Japan. And I'm in a singles match against him. And my idea was that I wanted to be like light versus dark. No. Good versus evil. And my idea was he wears like white gear. So then I thought, like, oh, what wouldn't it be cool if like it looked like from the people who are way up in the backs is a baseball stadium. If it looked like he was wrestling against a shadow. So I was just going to like paint myself completely like head to toe black paint. So it looked like from the people far away, he was wrestling a shadow. And in the time that I came up with this idea and we actually executed it, it morphed into like more of a demon look than a shadow. But that's kind of where the idea was spawned from. That's so cool. That's so cool. It was came from being a shadow. Yeah. Well, I was trying to like, I was trying to figure out ways of taking away what the fans recognized as the baby face. So the first idea was like wear a body suit. But Justin Thunder Liger wore a body suit. So I didn't want to go that way. And then that was kind of what if I paint myself? That was it. It's so cool. Yeah. Have you ever gotten into mythology? Yeah. So actually the name Finn Balor is based in mythology because Balor is the one eye demon king from Gaelic folklore. And Finn McCool is the kind of it's kind of like it's very similar to David versus Goliath where Finn McCool is the is the David in this story. And he slays the one eye demon. So I put the two together. The two together. Yeah. And because I remember that list that you talked about of names. Yeah. You didn't love them. No. And you know what? It's super funny. I've never said this to anyone else. One of those names and Paul was especially leaning towards this name was live. Really? L-I-V. Interesting. Yeah. Well, he's anything but consistent. Yeah. And I can't remember other names that were on there. I had actually Rue was yeah. R-U-X was on there. Oh, I think actually I remember that. Yeah. But then Paul said no, no, no. People think of Ru Paul. Oh. Yeah. I remember him specifically saying that. You guys look a lot alike. Ru Paul? I don't even know who he is. Oh yeah. No. Is it a drag queen or something? Yes. He's African-American and like a big person, big personality. Like could not be more opposite. He's like perfect. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Do you remember any names that were on there? Not really. Oh, McGregor was on there. Really? And this was before Connor had like really blown up. It was actually he'd had to fight in Boston where he won but he injured his knee. Okay. And it was just after that. And I remember thinking, no, this guy's going to be a megastar and I don't want to have like the same like name as. Would you love to have a match against him? Oh, absolutely. Right. That would be a good one. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Would you be on his side? Would you be the devil on his shoulder? I think I'd definitely rather be on the side than. Yeah. I guess. I'm sure. I don't want it in a wrestling ring, not in a cage. You've got to be on your term. Yes. You write the rules. Yeah. Well, this has been really awesome. It's been super fun. Thank you so much. Yeah, I've loved. I normally, I normally. No, I don't normally, I do hate talking about wrestling and we didn't talk. We're right. Yeah. Well, and so actually I do have another question. Yeah. It's a problem the whole time. Yeah. I don't know where to hold it. I've held it. Yeah. Put it here. Switched it. Try to drink it like around the microphone. It's just been offered the whole time. I see these guys cutting. Yeah. Like I go to take a tip, I see it's ice on you. So if this is a simulation and it is your simulation, what are you hoping to happen? How do you want it to end? What does this conversation do for you? Why is it in your, in your simulation? Do you think? I would just like to end my simulation, leave in the simulation better. So like I was maybe, I was maybe, I was maybe like the software update that I can't get on my phone that like fixed a lot of this shit that we're dealing with. Is that possible? If it's already, is it possible to break out of the simulation and do you have to break out of it to make the change? You know what? I'm gonna break it out. When I was in Japan, I used to like get so claustrophobic in the back stages because we're much smaller. There was one arena called Differariaki, which was like one side of Tokyo, but it was kind on Tokyo Bay kind of area where the river is and stuff. And I'd go out like a fire escape where there was like a fire escape steps and it stand on the fire escape. But I look up at the stars because I try and like disassociate myself from all the chaos inside. Right? And I kind of breathe and settle down and try and get calm before I had to wrestle. And I used to look at the stars. I used to say like the only thing that's holding me here is I believe that gravity works. And if I don't believe that, if I believe I can fly up into those stars, I can do it. Wow. And I used to like stand there going like, come on, you can fly. Fly. Gravity is not real. You don't fly. Now I never flew up. Right. It does help me like get more calm to like disassociate from like all the rules that we like impose on ourselves. You have to sit up straight. You have to. Right. Yeah. Dress nice. You have to do all these different things where you don't really have to do anything. Right. It's up to you. Yeah. Well, you do look great though. I appreciate you dressing up. Thank you so much. Yes. Well, this was awesome. All right. Thanks so much guys. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.