Single Moms, Situationships & Summer House Drama

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Hello, gorgeous. It's Lala Kent. Welcome to Untraditionally Lala. Hello, gorgeous. It is Lala Kent. Welcome back to Untraditionally Lala. Oh my God, you're going already. Yeah, we're going, baby. We're going. I have Lindsay Hubbard. This is crazy. I know. Because so far you and I have talked about the two biggest things, the eye situation, when I posted about my eye and everyone was like, oh my God, Lindsay had the same thing. So I called you in a panic. You talked me through it. And then baby daddies. Yeah, baby daddies. How's that going, by the way? Are you allowed to say? We're in such a great place right now. What? Tell me more. We're in a really great place. I feel like it took a while. Last year was such a big year. It was my first year becoming a mom. Like you're finding your footing. I went through a breakup a month and a half after I gave birth. I'm in postpartum era. I'm trying to breastfeed and pump and figure out that schedule. I went through a huge move after 10 years in Gramercy to downtown New York in a neighborhood I've never been in and my apartment needed a lot of repairs. Then I went straight into filming for five months straight, back to back shows, summer house, straight into End The City. So it was just a lot all at once. And I can handle it, but it was overwhelming at times. And I love talking to you and I love seeing you. Like when we bump into each other at BravoCon. And it's just like, there's a lot to focus on. And so I think now that last year is behind me and we've found our footing as like new parents and a new dynamic of co-parenting, mediation, the whole bit, the lawyers, this and that. Like we're in a good place. So you guys broke up when Gemma was only a month old? A month and a half, yeah. I mean, that, cause Ocean was seven months old and that like threw me for a freaking loop. I mean, how did you hold that together? A lot of friends and family. Yeah. And like, and that was right when summer house season nine, last season of summer house was premiering. How long had it been since you had broken up with Carl to when you met this new guy and had Gemma? Carl and I broke up at the end of August and Gemma, baby daddy and I had started dating in January of 2024. Okay. But I had dated him before. So he was familiar to you. Yeah. Like we had dated three years prior and then like three or four dates and then didn't like, you know, we were just on different paths, wasn't the right time. And then he reached back out in December of 2023, like a few months after Carl and I broke up. Yeah. Started dating in January. I was a little busy in that December. Started dating in January, got pregnant in March. And was this like a planned? No. Blessing, of course. I was like, this is what the universe once. Totally. I never got pregnant with Carl. Yeah. I got pregnant with the pullout method, not with my ex, but another time. Well, yeah. Which is why I was always like, wrap it up dog. I'm not taking chances. Yeah, no, yeah. But a lot of my friends are like, I've never had an oopsie. I'm all good. Like I do the spray and pray or whatever the fuck it is. I was like, all right, well, God has your back a lot harder than he had mine because that didn't happen for me. A lot of difficult decisions back in Utah. Okay, so you guys are good now. How did you come to be good? Because like I could never, I could never. I could never compare. You have a very different situation and circumstances and your ex has a whole different We'll call it a rap sheet. Category of things happening. My ex is just very private and he learned that he values his privacy more than he knew. Until he started dating me and realized I was real public. Well, yeah. I mean, your whole, I don't wanna say your whole come up, but the elevation happens with you being so open and honest about your life. Right. Well, that's like, that's how we have these jobs. That's what's hard for me is when I go out and date and when a man says that he loves my independence and what I've created and I don't need him, but he wants to be private. I'm like, well, I have all of these things because I'm not a private person. Yeah. So are you dating? I am dating. I had this situation ship. Okay. Which was kind of, it actually made me really nervous because it's no longer, but it made me realize that I want something that I really didn't think I wanted. Oh. Which is like. A relationship? Like, yeah, like normalcy. Like a relationship. You wanted a relationship with your situation ship. I think if it would, if he could have shown up the way I needed him to, then we would be all good. He just couldn't in the end and that was fine. So what I gained from it was like, oh, I have been like denying myself wanting a man and like, I've got this and I'll have kids via sperm donor. It's like, oh, I now know that I could be very open to getting married one day. I could be open to having a baby with a man one day, which was very, very traumatic. Are you not traumatized? Like I feel like still I'm a little, I'm still in like the traumatized mode because like two Xs ago, he broke up with me two months before our wedding on camera and a very publicly humiliating way. Yeah. The last X, I had a baby with him and then breaks up with me, you know, a month and a half after giving birth in the middle of postpartum. So I'm kind of just like, you know what? You're where I used to be and I get it. Fuck all the men. Yeah, no, I get it. And you also, like I just had one really traumatizing relationship that was like good enough for me. Like I don't need it twice. You had back to back. Yeah. So how do you go on and be like, yeah, these are the things I want when really the only person you've been able to count on is yourself. Myself. And then I have my unconditional love with Gemma. Right, she's a little rider. Yeah, you're a little partner. You're figuring this out together. Yeah. I totally get that. And now the stakes are super high. I started, I was like toying around with the idea of dating on summer house last, like last summer, this current season of summer house. I started toying around with it. I was like, let me go for the sugar daddy. Oh, love this for you. Because I've always gone for love, never for money. And I was like, let me go for the money, you know? Why not? Let's try something new around here. Didn't work out so well. My mom, she didn't say this to me, someone said it to her. But it's just as easy to love a rich man as it is to love a poor man. So you might as well just go for the rich man. Yeah, no, truly. But really rich. Like I'm not fucking around. Yeah, private jets. Yes. I need big PPs. South of France, let's go. And I've also learned that if they want to get you a bag or spoil you, you need to ask. If it's like, I want to buy you a Birken bag and it's $25,000. Great, I would love the Birken bag, but I need $25,000 in cash as well. My rent, you want to pay it? Yep, you. My rent is 10 grand. I'm going to need that in cash as well. Because when you leave, I can't afford my rent. What the fuck am I supposed to do with all these bags? I'm going to need hard cash as well. Or just give me the cash and don't give me the gift. You can do just cash. Otherwise you're going to have to match that shit. That's a smart sugar baby. Oh my God, yeah. You should give a lesson. I should. We need like a crash course on being a sugar baby. I didn't do well at it. I can tell you that I found a guy with a kayak and a fishing boat that was like 20 feet. I was like, no, it's not going to work for me. Oh, you did it real wrong. No. Well, I'm also not going to find a sugar daddy in the summer house, right? And these are all like party goers at the summer house. So then the fall head, and I was like, OK, this is like 10 months after my breakup, I feel like I've been through the thick of it. I'm getting my footing more. Now I can really try to date. And we started filming in the city when I was right around the time of like, OK, I'm ready to date. So you're going to see a lot of that on this new season up in the city. So when you go out and date, you have the mindset of, I'm just going to go out and have fun and see what I like and don't like. Or are you, because we're women, and I've noticed this about myself, another thing I don't love. But I now go out and I'm like, I can't just have fun. I have to like, what the fuck is up? What are we doing? Like, what are your intentions here? It becomes more serious, more quick, because you have to be. Like, you have a family. So are you able to treat it as just fun? So I don't have time to go out. Literally, it's like I'm in work mode. I'm in mom mode. And unless someone sets me up, I'm not on the apps. So someone has to either set me up and do the vetting already, or it's somehow, in some way, I meet someone. Like, I recently reconnected with an old fling. OK, you're really loving to go back to old flings. Your baby daddy's an old fling. What about, could Carl be the old, could you go back? No, I don't know. I know. You really like comfortability. You keep going back. There is a lot of rumors just because we become friendlier lately, and we're kind of putting these positions to, in public settings, like yesterday at UpFronts. And we have, Carl and I have the same group of friends, like me, Kyle, and Carl. So we're around each other. And so we keep running into each other at these things. No, no, no, no. I know. Carl is, I think that we could get back to a place of friendship, but that's probably where it ends. You wouldn't consider him a friend right now? I think we're in a really friendly place. I love this for you. And I like that. I like where we're at. I think, what do you call a friend? Someone you call. Someone you're talking to on more of a regular basis. Carl and I don't call each other, and we don't talk to each other on a regular basis. So would you consider that a friend? I don't even know what a friend is anymore. We love labels and statuses. The box. We like to categorize our relationships with each other. Get along. When you see him, you get along. I think we should just be OK with where we're at. Me and Carl. Everyone wants answers all the time. And you're like, it is what it is. Yeah. Do you think that you've bonded now because of the Scamanda of it all? That definitely helped. I think Kyle, Carl, and I are very protective of the show itself. We're the OGs. We started the show. We've been here since the beginning. And when something rocks that or threatens it, we're going to come together and protect it. And I think and support each other, too. I know that this was a big betrayal against Sierra, but it also is very hurtful for Kyle as well. Although Kyle and I have had a crazy friendship over 10 years, we got to support and protect him, too. Are you still friends with Amanda? Like, what is she doing in the world now? What is she doing? I don't know. I don't know. The reunion was a wild time. Did you stay composed? Can you tease anything? Did you stay pretty chill? I will say I got pretty activated. But I also kept my mouth shut when I needed to keep it shut. And it was very open when it needed to be open. I tried to have a little balance. That's great. How old are you? 39. You look great, bitch. Oh, thanks. You're welcome. When you go into film, like Summer House or a reunion, especially this season, when it's super fucking heightened, do you get worried just as a mom how you're going to come across? Like, knowing, and I've never thought about this. The only reason I'm asking you is because people ask me this all the time. When you act out a pocket, do you worry that Gemma's going to watch it one day and not dig it? I don't think I'm there yet. I mean, maybe I would worry about that in a sexual sense. I stopped hooking up on camera as of three years ago. You guys don't have that problem because you don't have cameras in the fucking bedroom. No, by the way, that's so strange to me. You just see little bare asses all the time in Summer House. I started changing in the bathrooms. And that was even way before Gemma. So I had started shifting just because at that point, I was engaged to Carl, and I was out of respect for him. I should probably not be naked all the time. But with Gemma, I think I've just, as maturity finds us, and you and I are very similar, you get activated and pop off. I get activated and pop off. It's less about, is she going to watch this one day and have feelings and thoughts and opinions? And it's more about, I think as we mature as women, we naturally balance ourselves a little bit more. Don't you feel that way? Yeah. You're like, no, still not balanced. It's very hard. Because when you've been doing something for the same way since I was born, just very black or white, for someone to say, let's find the gray. Let's balance it out. It's kind of suffocating. And I feel like I'm finally finding the gray. But I mean, when I was filming Vanderpump Rules and I was very much a mom, I mean, for the first time since I was in my 20s, I was like, that guy's kind of cute. Let's bring him back to the house. And they show me closing the door and obviously doing what I do, which I apparently a squirt now. So that's fun. Wait, now you just started squirting? Well, I guess a few years ago. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever scored it. Maybe I've just had bad sexual partners. Let me throw the don your way. Because he'll get it. He'll get it. He'll get it to happen. I don't know why that just happened, but yes, I'm mortified. And I probably should have thought that way well before Ocean was born. But in a weird way, I'm like, you know what? If one day she decides to watch the show, yeah, I feel like they're going to look at us and be like, oh, my mom was like a pretty down bitch. Like I'm pretty safe. This is a judgment free zone. I just OK. Here's the thing. I. I think that like we as women naturally are very hard on ourselves. Like and it's because the world is hard on us. I think you have to give yourself a little bit of grace. Like I guess I'm so activated. I still get activated. It just looks a little different. You know, like even my activation has matured. It's more refined. Yeah. It's more like it's it's more like. Like I will cut you with my words real fucking quick. Yeah. As opposed to like raising my voice. Do you know what I mean? Totally. So my activation like yeah, has matured as I have matured. You guys are on season what 10. So you started the show season one season one. But I mean how I mean 10 year and you're 39 now. So you were like I was turning 30. Yeah, I was turning 30. My 30th birthday was on season one. Oh wow. Yeah, I threw a ho down. You threw a ho down. Yeah. I don't think I ever saw season one. What were you like? The same just younger because 30. Anywhere else in America like where I come from. My my friends at age of 30 have like six kids already. And like it looks very different. 30 in New York. It's a baby still. Yeah. So like you're still getting turned up. You're still like hooking up with random. Oh, of course. Right. One night stands I was a ho in my day. And like I had boyfriends. But when I didn't have a boyfriend, I was a savage. You were? Yeah. Of course. What does savage look like to you? Like are we talking about? 30 year old Lindsay was. Yeah. Like where you just go out and you get drunk. You find the doorman. You find the doorman. You're like, oh, you hit different. It just depends. But I didn't have sex for a year after I gave birth. That's like not even that long is it? I don't know. I don't know. How long did it take you? Well, I had not had sex since I conceived my daughter in like July of 2021. Oh, wow. It was a long time. It was a very long time. Like it was nothing but. What was the longest that you've ever gone? Probably that. Yeah. Or this last time it was like 2022. And then I decided to like conceive via sperm donor. And that was like I didn't really want to be having sex. Yeah, it's miserable. Could you imagine? I'm like. No, it fucking hurts. Or is it a man's? You know, like I couldn't take the risk. So I've gone like a many, many year. Yeah, both post part of me. But yeah, it's just not fun. What a scream. We installed telephone wires across rural Britain over a century ago. And you're still paying to use them for your broadband today. If it ain't broke, what? Stop. Your days of selling phone age broadband are over. Blast off, spill the beans. Upgrade to 100% full fiber. Gigaclear faster broadband for rural Britain from only 19 pounds a month. Price may rise during contract. T's and C's apply. Check availability at gigaclear.com. On In the City. Do you show Gemma on that show? I do. Yeah. So she's on it. Yeah. It took a while. A lot of, a lot of conversations. I love how we went from not having sex at all to Gemma. Are we going to see her? Speaking of sex, this is how you get pregnant. No, but I remember us talking about this. And you're like, how do you deal with like the biggest part of your life not being on camera? Yeah. Well, this In the City is literally a show that shows our next chapter of life. In my next chapter of life is me being a mom. How do you show me being a mom without me being a mom? So what did you say to the baby daddy though? How did you let him? I mean, we just, we, there was, I mean, I'm not going to get, there was like months and months and months and months of lawyer conversations. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm telling you, like when I, Ocean was like maybe three months old and he had no problem like parading her around on TV. And then the moment that he was no longer a part of it, she couldn't be a part of it. So this season of the Valley, it's the first time that people have actually seen me like face to face with my child. Right. Which is my Sosa. Yeah. And then they're confused why Ocean's not on and it's like. Oh, she like Sosa more. She's embarrassed of, and it's like. It's like, come on. Come on now. Like are we in middle school? Also like here's the thing, you have to pick and choose your battles like currently as of this present moment, which is one week before in the city premieres, right? Okay. I do not post Gemma on social media at the request of the baby daddy. Okay. Okay. Like you don't want me to post her on social media. Fine. And he doesn't post her either. Is she going to be on the show? Yes. She's going to be on the show and people are going to see her face. Am I still going to not post her on social media? Correct. Because you have to pick and choose your battles. Right. The older I get, it's like, you know what? You don't want me to post her on social media. Fine. But let me go live my life, do my job and do what I've been doing for the last 10 years with my baby and like just give me that and I'll agree. Not supposed to post her on social media. We're all good. Do you think that if you guys would have been together, he would have been fine with her on socials? No, because he's so private. Yeah. I don't even like, he doesn't even post on socials. Like he doesn't, he's in a very different world. Like it's like the things that matter to him are very different than the things that we do in our lifestyle. And you know what's really hard about this? Is that when you start dating somebody in theory, they can handle what comes with you being in the public eye. Mm-hmm. And then when it becomes real and they see how crazy the brawls of fan bases. Exactly what happened, they start to kind of freak out and lose it. Yeah. Or, or, and I don't know this, I'm not saying this is what happened with me, but it's all fun and games to like fuck the famous chick or the girl who's on TV until oopsie. It's becoming real. Well, there's nothing. And again, I'm not saying that's what happened with me. No, I think it's more in line with what you just said of like, you don't really realize just how public our lifestyles are until you're in it. Well, and there's just nothing like this Bravo bubble is like the craziest fan base. And I don't mean that in like an insulting way. They're just the level of fandom. You can't wrap your head around. We have the greatest fans on earth, like the stickiest, most loyal diehard fans. They will ride at fucking Don. They're also bury you in their backyard with one wrong move. So just ask me. I know. I'm like, oh, this bitch who had sent me so much love in a matter of moments, wanted to dig a pool, bury me in it and then lay the concrete. Yeah. Intense. Yeah. Someone said that legitimately. Yeah. It's actually pretty fucking genius. There's not a lot of room to fuck up in our world. No. Do you think that you fucked up? Because I did an episode, like a little bonus where I was like, I just want to like give advice, not that you guys would listen. Just for the fans to hear. No, I always love you. I honestly, I'm always like looking forward to talking to you. Thank you, babe. Because I'm like, God, I just need to talk to Lala again, because she like has been through this or she knows. Like I feel, you and I like vibe on the same frequencies, I think. Yeah. And when we get together, it's like, like. Like now. I talk about squirting, baby daddy, filming, the segues, five different TV shows. A little wonky. I'm like, it's my ADD that kicks in. I should be medicated. I should be medicated. We're packing it all in. Do you think that Summer House, like you guys are done with it now. Are they like implementing a new cast? Or do you know, can you even talk to that? Can you even speak to it? I mean, I think there. You'll do two shows now. So last year, me, Kyle and Amanda did two shows. And then this year, you know, we thought we had a plan. And now we're, I wouldn't say back to the drawing board. Like we have a lot of people left, like just because two people mess up. And unfortunately for West, like he's only been around for three years. One of those seasons, the only thing he had to talk about was the fact that he couldn't wash his recycling out before he recycled. That was his big storyline for one of those seasons. Yeah. And then the other two seasons. You've got a lot of storylines now. The dick pics that came out. Every day is a new storyline for West. Can I ask you, who did he send those to? Probably somebody on Instagram. I don't mean to wean or shame anybody. There's needs to be a grooming situation happening. Do you think? Maybe a little. I looked at it with like one eye open, you know, like that emoji. That was a zoom in. What are we working with here? Like what is going on? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would just fire off dick pics with many of angle. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I always like West has BDE and I totally understand the total picture attraction. He's charismatic. He's charming. Yeah. If you are a girl who has any slight insecurity in your life, he sees you. He makes you feel seen. He validates you. You know, he pretends to be like all about female rights. Right. He has he talks about sports. He's into sports. He has a lot of friends. He's like, there's a lot like if you take him as the full package, I can see why women totally are attracted to him in that situation. If you know, maybe there's whatever size he is, you know, under his fucking pants. Like you. By the way, I've some men are grower and not showers and I'm totally maybe that's what he is. By the way, if this it is not lost on me, but if two men were sitting on a mic talking about a vagina, we would bury them alive, like inappropriate. And we're coming here. We're like, what's going on? Do you go? My whole point is, is like West has BDE regardless of the size of his actual dick. And I think that that helps a lot. Like I also cannot handle a big dick. Like I cannot take big dicks. Really? No, not girth, like long or just like kind of petite. You like petite dick. I just like I'm like Goldilocks. I want something that's like perfect and just right for me. Not too big, not too small, just right. You know? Yeah. Like I need a Goldilocks dick. I want to feel like I just went into the circus. Oh, what? Terrifying. Yeah. No. And then add tattoo, like a face tattoo. I will marry you tomorrow. Face tattoo. I love a face tattoo. Like what? Like a teardrop? Any of it. Any of it. Any of it. Rick Ross was on the Today Show today and I'm like, does he have face tattoos? I'm kind of loving Rick Ross now. No, you should call that guy that was like that got famous, who was in jail, who was the one that dated the billionaire. I don't know. Yeah, he was like that billionaire for a sec. Good for him. I know. Call him. You should be my wing woman. Like when I think I need like a New Yorker, some grit, because I think I overwhelm. Like I found like a nice little Southern boy and I think it was fun. No, no. Until it wasn't. I don't think that's for you. Who's the Southern boy? Do we know him? We don't even talk about him. Is he on Southern charm? He's on nothing. OK, so your vibe now is a face tattoo, a big dick. From New York. It wants to be in a relationship. Not a situation trip. Yeah, that's what we solved it. Let's when you are free. I think I only want to be in a situation trip right now. You know what? That's where I'm at. And I feel like the universe wants that for me too, because any time I talk to a guy and it starts getting a little bit something like I always do, I could also look within and be like, this is a you problem. But I'm like, no, the universe is speaking to me. I've got other things on the horizon. I think I need to focus on work as well. Like situationships. I think you're on to something. Yeah, I can't deal right now. It's too much for me. I like want what I want when I want it right now. And that's very selfish as a relationship. Like I can't like I like if a guy doesn't live here, I'm like, perfect. Let's have like a long distance thing. We definitely are going to like hang out and do something because that's my thing. I'm like, you don't live here. That's great. I'll see you like once a month. We'll get giddy about it and then send you on your way and you on your way. I'm I'm that's the be mom and work and do what you need to do. Yeah, like I've always I've also and you're probably like this too. I've always been better as like single Lindsay too. Like on TV, like every time I was in a relationship and like in the history of summer house, like sometimes I'm in a relationship. Sometimes I'm single. Sometimes I'm in a relationship. Sometimes single. Every time I'm single, I'm just better without a guy dragging me down. You can be yourself. Yeah. And go and do things that you want to do. I totally I relate to that so much. I've been on my own for so long that when I think about having to like compromise for another person, yeah, it really fucking throws me off. Yeah, I'm really excited to see you as a mom and just you dating. Yeah, this new show. When does in the city air May 19th? Yeah, we're next to the baby. All right, put it on your calendar. So it's the it's the summer house finale. OK, of season 10 straight into in the city. I love when they do that premiere. And then me and Kyle on Watch Happens Live. I can't fucking wait. The whole round up a lot of Lindsay, a lot of Lindsay. The people are begging for it, by the way. You think I don't think I know people are going to lose their shit. I'm so excited for you. I love you. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Let's hang out more. I would love it. You guys, thank you for listening to another episode of Untraditionally La La. I'm going to catch you on Monday for a bonus again on Wednesday for a regular old episode and reminder that an unlikely affair with myself and Amber Childers airs every Thursday at 9 p.m. Bye. Bye. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.