This is the Jocko underground podcast number 207 sitting here with echo Charles and we are going to Review some questions from the field. Yeah on the front lines Where the rubber meets the road you all are out there troopers getting after it We will provide you with some answers some courses of action some recommendations to help you get through these Challenges that you're facing. That's where we're at. Let's go. All right first question from the field Could you tell me what your opinion is about jiu-jitsu coaches bringing their dogs to the gym? I saw one time a dog was free to step on the mats at one of the gyms I went to recently another instance. I saw a dog was allowed to sleep on a special rug But not on the mats. What's your what's your take? I like dogs, you know, that's kind of part of it. So, you know having a dog in school pretty It's pretty much like seems to be fine with me We used to have a dog named victory at the victory gym. Yeah, but it was only downstairs. Yeah, not on the mats not on the mats You know, I think The dogs being on the mat is kind of that's that's doesn't seem to like a great idea to me You know, not look the dogs are gonna be bringing dirt onto the mat because they don't wear shoes So now would they walk on the mat? They're just going from the regular floor to the mat, you know We wear flip flops or whatever slippers when we go off the mat and so we try and keep it as clean as we can And also dogs have claws and now they're just cutting up the mat So that doesn't seem too smart and I think a lot of this just has to depend with the school man in a little school You could see it's not that big of a deal there They're you know, but if you have a bigger school now, all of a sudden you got a dog running around that seemed like it could be a little bit problematic Overall, I guess I'm okay with it, but it's I'm also just kind of open-minded in general not many things really bother me Jiu-jitsu is a place where disease can spread, right ringworm staff infections There's all kinds of nasty stuff that can be on the mats if you're in a gym that is Doesn't have issues with that regularly and look there's gyms like the cleanest gyms in the world They can have problems like hospitals have problems with staff infections, you know, these things can happen But you know usually if they happen you kind of round things up and get control over them so if there's not a Steady state of if there's a steady state of general cleanliness in your gym and there's a dog there cool If there's a general state of like not cleanliness in the gym and there's a dog there doesn't seem like it'd be cool So I think if the gym is clean and it's then it's really no factor to have the dog hanging out And if the gym is dirty then that the dog doesn't probably help out. That's kind of where I'm at Yeah, you're right You said something there that was actually the real point where you're like you said Not many things bother me and I get it man And I'm actually with you with the dogs like to me I pretty much trust the owner and you know if the owner seems pretty squared away because let's say I mean lately You got a little let's say you have a little Jiu-Jitsu gym small one and everyone's it's just like one big family Yeah, the dog's part of that family It's insane like even if you go into someone's home and the dog's part of the family is up on the bed The couch is inside, you know outside dog or whatever like brother that dog has a lot of leeway and you kind of just so you know I think this is an important good point. I don't even know what it means yet. Mm-hmm. I have a dog at my house Of course my dog goes on my bed. Yeah, my dog goes on my couch. Mm-hmm My dog does not go on my mats because I've mad at my house too. Yeah, legit mad. You see my mats That's a dojo. Yeah, right? Yeah, dog not allowed on those mats. I understand. So there's something Interesting about that right? Yeah, I'll straight up just have my dog on my couch on me. Yeah straight up But not on the mats. Well, so there's a little indicator. Yeah, it is and again That just goes back to your thing that your personal preference Whatever that's based on, you know, that's on you and that's your your thing and I respect it pretty deeply but Nonetheless, it's still you that's your personal preference. Actually, let me ask you why is he not allowed on the mat hair? I think it's more hair. Okay, like, you know, just hair on the mat So if he didn't shed for whatever magical reason he would be allowed on the mat probably I would be more inclined to let him on the mats but also like Maybe it's because on the mats, let's face it your your personal intimacy with the mats is more than your personal intimacy with your bed You know I'm saying like I don't I don't take my face and grind it into my bed You're not in that like full. Yeah. Yeah, just Chaotic just contact. Yeah, you know, like you can't lay in a bed or at a couch As aggressively as you're laying on a on a freaking mat like it just it's happening. So Yeah, I think that's I think that's part of it, you know, yeah, I mean, but when you're not going your mats My job them. Yeah. Yeah at first there was my dog small but and it does not shed at all Whatever At first, yeah, that was a rule no dogs on the mat, you know Yeah, the bats outside by the way, so yeah, you got trees trees and insects Brats and everything's on their backs. That's what we'll just say, you know But nonetheless, but yeah, so no really the point is and I'm just trying to get to the bottom of how this stuff works Cuz it's like, yeah, that's true. You don't grind you're this and you know, like so you're saying this very but You we train here though, you know much other people crying you wouldn't let other people jump in your bed You see him saying so it's kind of like okay cool. It could be it Maybe not do like a mental disconnect when you're training jiu-jitsu. You have to cast that stuff It's a difference. It's gonna freak you out man If the if the dirtiness is gonna and the hygiene is gonna freak you out jiu-jitsu is just not you're not gonna be able to do it I understand if you can't set aside those fears of just Disgustingness. Yeah, it's gonna be a problem. I think that might be that you're the fundamental concept that you have to evaluate it's How grossed out are you gonna get and what are you gonna allow to gross you out? Okay, so let's say Cuz really when you go into especially victory we got a lot of guys Basically, and yeah, we clean the mats everything. I get it. That's true. But again, it's gonna come down to these the idea so We don't know what's being dragged on this mat We don't know the history of every single person and their feet and their fungus and their freaking Hands where their hands are going and how often they wash them and what they're wiping and doing all this stuff Like we don't know. Yeah, we literally don't know we may not want to know in fact if you were to evaluate it from a logical standpoint There's probably a lot of Various germs and freaking bacteria and stuff that we might not want to yeah exactly right. We might not want to know You know, so it's kind of like okay We do our state of mind when we go on the mat is kind of that of like I'm gonna suspend my Concern before that the details of that and just kind of just you know, kiss it up to God in a way We're so we're just gonna trust We'll put in some rules that make us all feel better for sure like no no Bare feet in the bathroom and all this stuff and does that help? Yeah, maybe maybe not but at the end of the day it's like You're still contending with things that a lot of times we don't want to really Recognize consciously right okay. There's that okay, so I think that's like the base the baseline right Oh Yeah, because this is real this face is a lot going on under the hood in this whole Now we're introducing dogs on the mat now consider that little formula for the dogs We don't know where that dog is and dogs get crazy sometimes seem sane like as far as what they get into Not to mention their own bodies not to mention their own And yeah, we reread on the internet and this guy that guy says things that make us feel better like oh the dog's mouth It's a cleanest mouth of the thing of the animal kingdom or whatever but like probably you don't know We don't know where that dog's been So and I'm not saying I wouldn't allow it quite frankly I trust the owner like if the owner is like yeah dogs in the man That's my gym like fuck yeah, cuz I like dogs I think for if it's a behaved dog that's not doing you know a coloring outside of the lines as far as behavior goes back I'm down for it and I trust I'm not talking about me I'm saying you can't be surprised when other people don't like that stuff Yeah, I'm saying whether it be the hair whether it be just a dog that I'm not used to some people they have traumatic experiences That's on the side of spectrum I get it, but some people they have traumatic experiences with dogs now. They're nervous So you can't be like it put it this way. I don't find it exceptional exceptionally reasonable to Expect everyone to be okay with it. See I'm saying no so someone's like hey, I don't like that stuff probably understand Yeah, that's why you got to find a gym with your vibe Yeah, if you're a little bit of a no germs vibe. 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