It's the Game of Roses. Welcome to the Game of Roses. This is the Game of Roses. Welcome to the Game of Roses. Welcome to Game of Roses. This is Pace Case. This is Bachelor Clothes. And it's Monday, or I don't know if it is. It's Friday when we're recording this, but it's probably Monday if you're listening to this. Probably. Probably. You don't know. We don't know. We don't know when people listen to these things. But if it is Monday for you, that means this is taking deeper. We have clips from around the podcast nation, many of which today come from the only official Bachelor Nation podcast, Bachelor Happy Hauer. They have been having on the guys from Taylor Frankie Paul's season over the past whatever week or two. We have a bunch of clips from a bunch of those guys and you're going to get to see what they're making them say, how they're making them say it in terms of promoting. Maybe we will see Taylor Frankie Paul's season and also trying to relate to you what they did in the game, like almost as though they're trying to make you see the season that we're never going to see. Pretty fascinating. Oh my God. Wild. Wild decision. If you stick around till the end, of course, we got some of those luscious vile viles. You see what I've done there. Switch the V and the F. Something like that. We got some Tyler Cameron clips talking about Hannah Brown when he saw her again at the Bachelor Mansion Takeover show. We got some clips of Tisha talking about her time on that show as well. And we have one final clip, a savory morsel, a dessert, if you will, from one reality Steve in. Has anybody called them reality Steven? I don't know, probably, but doing it first here. Our final clip is from reality Steven. Is reality Steven talking about Nick Vile in it? Oh, yes. Oh, that's the best Steven content. This is how to just hang around for it. If you want to see reality Steven talking about Nicholas Joseph Vile, our last clip will not disappoint. So are you ready to get into this pace, guys? Let's go. All right. Our first clip comes to us from that old happy hour. March 29 was the episode. In this episode, they have a guy named Christopher on and he is talking about whether or not he knew who TFP was or even that she was cast as the Bachelor at. Here we go. A lot of people are under this impression that we knew about Taylor like long before we got there. I didn't know that Taylor was going to be the Bachelorette till I had already agreed to do it. So I was going to ask that. I found out later and then once I found out later when I saw Taylor, Frankie, Paul, I'm like, who the hell is this? I don't I don't come from this world. So I had to start doing Google searches and then like my friends found out and they were like, oh, I know how I watch her other show. And then they started telling me things. So I was like, oh, boy, like what? What am I going to do with this? But, you know, there's been there's been rumors about me in my life. So I thought it would be unfair to judge her based on, you know, what I got from a second or third hand source. OK, interesting. I can tell you. Yeah, there have been rumors about me. Well, it wasn't quite a rumor. I saw on camera Taylor Frank, Paul getting arrested for domestic violence. I wouldn't say that's a rumor, exactly. I saw her hurling a stool. Yeah. I mean, well, he probably didn't up to the point of going into the show. But certainly he could have watched episode one of Slamma. This is it's interesting to hear him say that part about he didn't know that it was Taylor Franky Paul until he was already like signed up, going to do the show. That is not the case for all players. I can 100 percent say that they were casting up. I mean, she had already been announced and they were still casting guys. So there were I don't know how many guys made the final cut in that player pool that knew exactly who she was, that she was the bachelorette when they were still in the casting process, but there were some for sure. I mean, there's a guy from Provo. I don't think that happens without a TFB bachelorette. He says he's not from that world, but just looking at his background, I'm like. It's looks pretty nice. It looks like he knows how to present himself on camera. I know that we have declared the Sauce Wars over and won by T. I know we have said that. But this is Sauce Wars, too, is what I'm feeling the vibe of. Oh, my God. Because these what you're going to see in all these clips is like this is 100 percent pure bachelor nation propaganda. They want you to think that these guys had a great time or didn't know who she was or oh, my God, this season was fantastic, whatever. And all that may be true. I don't know. But they're sending them into Bachelor happy hour with a very specific goal. Of kind of smoothing everything over and telling it like this guy was saying, I don't pass judgment. It's just rumors. It's like, it's not rumors, bro. There's videos. Those aren't rumors. There's a rest record. That's not a rumor. I just am confused at what the goal is with this. Are they it's. Yeah, to have a VIP season. Now you're getting somewhere. Now you're asking the right questions. Why do it before you have a specific goal? I don't get it. Exactly. Because they don't know what the fuck they're doing. They are trying to do damage control and they don't even have a strategy for the control. They're just like, send those guys out. It's Bachelor happy hour. We control what gets aired there. Even if they say something off the cuff that we don't like, we'll just cut it out. And they're sending them out basically to do kind of almost like promotion for a season that no one will ever see. I think part of that. And we'll yeah, why don't you do it? Well, I mean, well, some of these clips you'll see the idea is kind of it's there that maybe we will see the season. Maybe they will release it eventually. But I just think that they are they're trying to lock down the narrative and they don't even know what they want the narrative to be. That's unfortunately what is going on here, in my opinion. It just feels very odd to scuttle the season and then just keep reminding us of that season. I don't know. It's I agree. It's odd. OK, interesting. All right, let's move on to clip number two. This is also Bachelor happy hour. This is also. Oh, this is Brandon from TFP season talking about how production told him about TFP. Here we go. Did you go in knowing Taylor was going to be the Bachelorette? And you got cast. So they already say she was cast as the lead. Yeah, so she she let me know that it was Taylor and I had never seen more than wives prior and I still have. And I still watch the show. But I did some research on Taylor and, you know, I saw the stuff. You know, I saw that the allegations and whatnot, you know, it's life. I didn't wasn't going into it thinking that I didn't want to watch the show either because I know people have their the perception of her and whatnot. So I just went into it to genuinely get to know her, ask her questions as if it is a first date. And I don't know much about her. And I think that also were to an advantage. Yes, I saw you taking that breath. What do you want to say? OK, I mean, it's just minor, but Christopher's Zoom background way better. Looked a lot more polished. He was more like taken off the street. Get out. Yeah. The I mean, he's floating the strategy, which is basically ignoramus, oblivion strategy. I don't know who she is. I didn't watch her show. Oh, I'm doing it showing up for the free food in the swimming pool. That I just looked up her arrest record, but didn't watch the show. Don't worry. Can you imagine this? This specific I was just interested in the criminal activity, but not the her job. Now, I will say this on behalf of all men, I think. I'm sorry. Well, I'm sorry for small. I'm sorry. Second of all, I think dudes don't like necessarily look up who they're going on dates with. I certainly have been guilty of that my entire life, but I think women are way more astute on that kind of thing. Getting murdered. All of that. Yes. So maybe it's maybe there's some truth in what he's saying here. However, I can tell you this much. I coached some people for this season who got very far in the casting process. I wound up not making it. All of them per the coaching watched all of her seasons, looked at all of her social media, and we're all going to play that same strategy that they didn't know she was had never watched anything. I thought that that was the best route to go for obvious reasons. She's got some very dark shit in her past, and it would be way easier for her to try and build a relationship with somebody if they don't know about it. And then she gets to play that PTC to them in the show so she can position it however she wants, whatever little spin on it she wants. You think it like comes off more for TRR to not have watched Salama? I don't know if it comes off more for you could be for TR and have watched Salama for sure. It's just I think the. It was going to be a tough season in any way you slice it to play because in this season, maybe the only time in bachelor history, being aware of social media and even having social media or having that be a goal or a job or whatever would not be immediately for the wrong reasons because that's what she is, you know, so you could know of her through social media or the show, you could pay attention to that type of thing. And it might even be beneficial if you can position it as like, you know, let me help you with your business type thing, a world builder type archetype for that couple. You know what I mean? Sorry for the voice note, but can we get a takeaway tonight, Mum? No, no, we've got leftovers in the fridge. They'll do it. Be nice. Um, sorry, I've eaten it. Who's for pizza? Sure, we can give you lots of data, but what really matters is friends and family. That's why we're happy to be your second most important network. Tesco Mobile, it pays to be connected. Terms apply, see Tesco Mobile dot com slash why Tesco Mobile? I don't necessarily think it would paint you as for the wrong reasons, but I do think it it helps that you are allowing her basically to control how that information is delivered to you. Hmm, just saying. Yeah. Well, I bet the guys that you were coaching who didn't make it on the season are happy that maybe they can get on the next one. Yeah, I mean, I would say that my air. Can you imagine doing all that work and not airing? Yes. And now you're seeing what's happening. This is the consolation prize. You get to go on Bachelor Happy Hour and they're dangling some imaginary carrot of a VIP season that you might be on, or maybe they're dangling the carrot. Oh, we will air the season eventually once it things calm down. Or maybe they're even saying you could come back on the next season of Bachelor. I'm not sure one of these guys or probably more like three of these guys are being dangled the carrot of the Bachelor. And I don't even think they know if they want a Bachelor from this season at this point. Right. That's it's on the table because that system has been set up and it works. But if there is no if Taylor Frankie Paul season doesn't air, you don't have the narrative thread to build that guy into a character that we want to see as Bachelor. It makes no sense in my happy hour. Exactly. You're also going to throw out a bunch of different guys, maybe as their audition to be Bachelor on this. It's yeah, it's just wild to me to to do it without without the goal again. And. I guess it's maybe to like keep them from going on other podcasts and. I think it's I think it's that, but it's also more like I don't think they're going to go on other podcasts because I think that Zoom that all the guys had with the lawyers and should have ABC was like they probably scared the living shit out of them. And then after scaring them, dangled these carrots. And now they're letting them go on these podcasts. And so the guys feel like they are. In some way, getting a little bit of benefit out of this, they're getting some screen time attention is being paid to them, at least by the franchise, but by no one else other than us. I guess we're sitting here watching these clips and stuff, but I just think these guys are they're going to be lost to the dustbin of Bachelor Nation, all of them, I think. I just don't know what the benefit is of putting them in any subsequent show. I know there's an attitude that it's like the franchise owes them something after like you're saying all the work they put in, the time they took off to go do the show and all this. But it's the kind of like bigger question to me is, does anybody want to see them in any capacity without having first seen what they did as rookies? Right. If they're just random dudes showing up on the beach, like I don't give a fuck. I mean, if it is a bachelorette, if that is the next season after the scuttling, I do think they will cast some of these guys because they just won't have time to like get another cream of the crop situation. For sure. God, what an interesting season that will be. Maybe not. I mean, the disadvantage that I see in that, I don't think people will care that much that they're not seeing them playing another season unless they were the person that got engaged. I think that could come off for TWR. Yeah. But I mean, look at Blake Moynes. He's still trucking. He went, he dated so many bachelorette. Could you imagine though coming in, let's say, more Higgins is the next bachelorette just for sake of argument here. They start shooting that season in a month and some of these guys get the call. Let's say five guys off Taylor Franky Paul season get the call. However far they went in that season, those five guys have already completed a full season playing against Taylor Franky Paul. They know the production staff. They know how it works. They've been through this once before. It's like they basically got a practice run against one of the greatest reality players in the history of reality TV. And now they get thrown into a kind of gen pop pool of 25 to 30 guys who have never done it before. I would expect those five guys from her season to absolutely dominate it. I think they would. And they would also have another advantage, which is the guys coming in and normal player pool don't know each other. These guys would all know each other, have a built in team. Oh, God. If you're out there, if you're listening, if you're the guys from Taylor Franky Paul's season and they hit you up to come on the next season of Bachelorette, DM me, bachelor clues and we will run the game. Up next. From bachelor happy hour. In this clip, we have a player named Brandon and he's talking about the night one that some people got to see, but we were not quick enough to see it. Dang it. I know. Let's check out this clip. If you want to see Brandon talking about Taylor Franky Paul's night one, you want to hear us react to it. You want the rest of this digging deeper. 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