Jap5 on Growing Up as 107 Hoover Criminal, Facing Life for Murder, Prison

All right, here we go. Job 5. Welcome to Vlad TV. Fresh out. Man, what's the deal? Fresh out. January 31st. Yeah. Looking swole. Yeah, I see it. How many sets of 225 were you doing in there? We don't got no weights in there. Oh, there's no weights? Hell no. Oh, so it's just push-ups and... Push-ups, pull-ups, dips. OK. I got it, man. Yeah, eating good. Eating good. Looks like it worked. Yeah, they were supposed to do. Well, first time here, I want to start in the very beginning. So, born and raised in South Central L.A. Yeah. Now, you're named after your dad. Yeah. Baby Jap? Yeah, Baby Jap. Or Jap 3? Both. Okay. So, explain the Jap name. Well, it's just like a generational thing. It's like, it's five of us, and my dad is number three. I'm after him, my cousin number four, and I'm number five. So it just fell in that order. Okay, so is there a big Jap? Yeah, it go all the way, like it's five of us. Okay, so his oldest brother, your uncle? No, my uncle's little Jap. Okay, so who is Jap one? No, he passed away. That's our oldest homie, though. Like, he's the oldest one in our generation. Okay, so are you related to him or no? Yeah, we all family. Aha. Ah, okay. And you guys are all members of the 107 Hoover Criminals. Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about the background, because it's a very interesting background. So you guys originated in the late 1960s? Yep. Okay, how did it start? Shit, I really don't know too much about the history too far back. Like, you know, that's out of my time. So I just know about, like, from when I started. Okay, because from what I understand, the original name was the 107 Hoover Groovers? Yeah, that's what I heard too. Okay. And then around 72, 73, the 107 Hoovers joined the Crip Alliance and became the 107 Hoover Crips. You know more about it than me. Okay. But then in 1979, a war broke out internally because of the death of Raymond Washington. And there was a conflict between the Rolling 60s and the A-Trays. And the 107s aligned with the gangster side and became the 107 Hoover Gangster Crips. No, there was never no Gangster Crips. So that's not right. No, not Gangster Crips, just 107 Hoover Crips. okay uh but there has been kind of a tension between like the rolling 60s and your clique yeah that's same thing generational stuff okay so you were basically born into it yeah most definitely so growing up as a kid when did you realize what was going on around you I really didn't realize it until I started to get older. It was just normal to me. Being born into something, it's so normalized. Violence and just understanding the stuff that's going on in the community when you grow up. It's so normalized that you really don't understand what's really going on until you get put in a position where you actually wake up. and it wasn't until I was in Juvenile Hall where I realized I was really a game banger. Okay. I just used to run around with my homies and stuff. We used to be doing stuff, just running around. Then I just got older. When I ended up hitting Juvenile Hall, when I started fighting enemies, I'm like, damn, they really want me. Once I started running into them and they wanted to fight me, I'm like, damn, I'm really from over there. Well, as a kid, you're going back and forth between your mom's house and your dad's house. Yeah. Right? But then your dad ended up getting locked up. Yeah. Like, what age were you? Shit, he'd been in and out my whole life. Okay. So... Like, how old were you when you remember your dad going to jail? Like, five. That young. Did you know what he was going to jail for? Nah. No idea. So your mom was kind of shielding you from that? Yeah, she was keeping us protected from that as much as she could. Okay, but growing up in that family, in that neighborhood, It's not like you were really jumped in. You just became part of it because that was what you were always part of. Yeah. I just, like, I literally was born into it. Like, I just grew up as a kid, like I said, just running around being my dad's son. Like, how highly ranked he was. They used to always just call me, like, Lil Jap or Infant Jap. And it kind of just stuck. And people started calling me that. And at first, I thought it was like a childhood nickname. Then, like I said, it stuck. And as I started to get older, it just started to develop. And my ways started to develop. and it just, you know, I started banging. Well, you said you were a bad kid growing up. You were stealing, fighting, throwing rocks at cars, letting people's dogs out of the fence. Like, when did you actually officially start getting in trouble? Shit, since I was a baby. Since you were a baby. Yeah, since I was a baby. Okay, when did you first get arrested? I was 11. For what? for stabbing up some kids at school with a screwdriver. Okay, so what exactly happened? Shit. It was just constant, like, going back and forth, like, arguing. And it just led to one thing or another. They jumped me. They caught me slipping one time. They jumped me. And I just came back the next day with a screwdriver. And I was on that. Okay, so you came back with a screwdriver at school? Yeah, I went to school. I used to ride my minibike to school, so I used to keep a screwdriver under my minibike seat. Okay. So you grabbed a screwdriver. What happens next? Shit, I went to work. I seen the dudes that jumped me, and I told them I want to fight again. They came to the corner, and I went to work. On one of them or all of them? On all of them. So multiple people got stabbed? Yeah, like five. I mean, with a screwdriver, that just sounds crazy. Nah, it sounds worse than it actually was. I didn't even break no skin. It didn't puncture. That's what I'm saying. How do you puncture skin with a screwdriver? It was like a bunch of whelps. Like when they showed the pictures and court and stuff, it was just like a bunch of scratches and whelps. Okay. So at 11 years old, you stabbed a bunch of kids with a screwdriver. You got sent to juvie for how long? I did probably like six months. I did a camp program. Okay. So now you're in Juvenile Hall with a bunch of other bad kids. And that's when you realized kind of the whole neighborhood affiliation and gang affiliation and so forth? Yeah. Because like before that, they didn't exist. Like, you know, I didn't run into them. I was a kid. So I wasn't participating in like adult activities. So like my only knowing of like Hoover was like my homies. And then it's like when you did hear like the stories about like the other side, like neighborhoods and stuff and all our enemies. Like it was like our homies down talking to like it was like, oh, they not like that or they boo boo and all this shit. Then when I went to the halls and seen that they was turnt up like us, I'm like, damn, they like y'all lie. Like they tripping, too. Like they hate us as much as we hate them. Okay, but you're 11. So are you with other 11-year-olds or some of the kids older? It was like pre-teens, like teenagers, pre-teens, early teens. Okay, so about the same age. So it's not like you're with a bunch of 17-year-olds. Yeah, like from 11 to like 16. Okay. Well, up to 16? Yeah. So those are much bigger kids. Yeah, for sure. So were you fighting in juvie? Yeah, a lot. A lot? Hell yeah. Okay, but how many of your guys did you have in there? Or was it like all the Crips would kind of band together? But you had Crip-on-Crip problems, so. Yeah. I had a couple homies with me. Yeah, we didn't, not that many, but the ones that was with me were strong, so we held our own. I mean, did it get really violent or was it just fistfights? Nah, just fighting. Okay, so. Most, like, disrespectful got disrespectful. It wasn't no, like, real, like, violence, but it was disrespect. A lot of that, spitting on each other, all type of stuff like that. Okay, and you get out after six months, and now you're back home. and I think after that a bunch of videos start to surface with you there's this one video you're like at a restaurant and you ask some dudes where they're from and then you slap them after they tell you the answer yeah okay who were those guys? so the guy that I slapped is more personal than actual than what the world see it to be like it was more personal like I used to talk to his cousin and uh one day I was sleep I went to sleep with her and she posted me on her story but she put an emoji over my head but but you could see the tattoo on my back so I guess he noted he recognized the tattoo and he told her like if you with the ops you better duck with the ops so then uh he started sending her like a bunch of like threats and stuff and I'm like that's your cousin weirdo and he started sending me like a bunch of weird stuff in my DM. And when he started sending me like a bunch of weird stuff on social media, I just like kind of let it go. And then I ended up going to jail for a pistol and I got released. And when I got released, I just, I got picked up and they asked me like, what do you want to eat? And I told him, I'm like, just run to Taco Bell real quick. And when I went to Taco Bell, he was in there. And I'm like, that's crazy. I'm like, ain't this you? And he like, nah. That's what I asked him. I'm like, so you're not from neighborhood? Like, he like, nah. I'm like, so, like I said, I told him at first, I'm like, check it out. Like, come outside. I want to fight. He like, I'm not going out there. I'm like, so you're going to be a bitch? You're going to turn it down? He like, he just stayed quiet. I'm like, oh, you a bitch. And treated him like a bitch. So this is the day you got out of jail? Yeah. So you do know that you could have gone right back to jail? I wasn't even thinking about that. I was more so like, you popped it, you got caught. well there's another video where you're fighting two guys yeah um because i guess they'd beat up some street vendors yeah so what happened with that uh same thing like just uh i was out with my daughter one day and uh it was a little bit after that video had surfaced like i was out with my daughter one day and we was at like a little lake and i didn't have no signal on my phone or nothing i had no signal so we chilling spending time together and i ended up leaving and when i was leaving as i was on my way home my phone started like blowing up like crazy and i looked on my instagram and i probably had like 70 000 followers but when i left i only had like 2 000 so i was like what the so i was looking through all this and i seen like a bunch of like threats and stuff i was like what the is this like i didn't know what it was i was just kept scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and uh i ended up looking at my story and my story had like probably like 200 000 views on it i was like mind blown like what the fuck is this so uh i thought it was fake at first i'm like i'm thinking i'm glitching it so long story short i guess because my homies seen me slap the boy in taco bell they slapped the street vendor and tagged me in it like like basically showing me like i guess they like oh we slapped somebody too and when they did that i i was more so like it put me in a situation and i don't know i just didn't think it was funny like you know i'm like just seeing all these threats on my pictures people under my daughter pictures and stuff i'm like that's weird so i ended up uh i ended up calling in to my homies like hey bro like i wasn't there i didn't have nothing to do with this shit they got people posting my address my car online like they got people on that i'm like these mexicans are tripping like like that's not cool they got me in a situation like y'all need to handle that and i felt like like when i did tell my homies that they wasn't like they didn't have the energy like i'm like like y'all telling me like basically in so many words like oh yeah we not gonna do that like this the homie so i just took it into my own matter i'm like all right well i'm gonna just dp both of them so i just got down on both of them. And that video went viral? Yeah, it went viral too. Well, you end up going to county jail for possession of a firearm. Yeah. That was at what age? Like 17, 18? Yep. Okay. At that point, why did you feel like you had to carry a gun? Man, it speaks for itself. I'm JAP5, man. Like, I'm a trophy. Like, you know, that's what they be on. Like, it's like, they catch me slipping, they're going to get me. So I got to protect myself if any means necessary. Well, you had the nickname Infant Shooter? Infant Shooter. Infant Shooter. That's crazy. I mean, you yourself, you've gotten shot at? Plenty of times. Like, how old were you when you first got shot at? Like, nine. Nine years old. Describe that to me. Just outside, hanging out, and people come through shooting. I wasn't the target, but, you know, bullets flying in my direction, I got shot at. Okay. How many times did you get shot at? Too many. Ten? Way more than that. Twenty? Probably about like in the high 20s. In the high 20s. You ever get hit? Yeah. Okay, describe that situation. Shit, just walking up on a car. You walked up on a car? Yeah, walked up on a car that called me. Oh, they called you over? Yeah, they said, chap. I walked up on a car. They start shooting. Okay. I got grazed on my leg. Grazed your leg. That's it. Yeah. How many shots was it? They shot like probably six times. And all they did was graze your leg? Yeah. Did you see who it was? Nah. Okay. Are you just saying that? Yeah, nah. I didn't see who it was. You didn't see who it was? Nah. Okay. How did you feel after that? I was enraged. But you were just grazed, so it's not like it was a serious injury, but still. But you know, a possibility, like, you know, could have ended my life. Anytime stuff like that going, it could be the end. And how old were you when that happened? Like 15. Oh, so you were still a kid. Yeah. Okay. Were you already carrying a gun at that point? For sure. Okay. But then you ended up getting caught by the police with the gun. And that was the first time you got caught with a gun? Nah. How many times did you get caught after that? After that or? Before that? Probably like four. Four times? Yeah. Yeah. So as a teenager, you're getting caught with a gun over and over and over again. And are you getting sent to juvie every time? Yeah, sent to juvenile hall. Being there fighting the case. Sometimes they DA rejected, they dropped the case. Sometimes they sent me to camp. Okay. Now, are you still talking to your dad during this time? Yeah. Hell yeah. Me and my pops had a strong bond. Right. But he's going in and out of jail also. Yeah. We was talking when we was in jail. Like when I was in jail, he was in jail. We was writing each other. But you're in different jails. Yeah. Was your dad trying to say, like, listen, like, don't follow my footsteps? Or was he telling you to turn up? I feel like more so like he was lost. Like, he didn't understand, like, that it wasn't right to do that. So he didn't have no clear understanding. So he kind of just was going with the flow. Like, my pops was like my homie. Like, you know, like, we had a different type of bond. Like, he didn't, like, he called me bro. Like, he don't call me son or nothing. He called me bro. Okay, so you get caught with a gun at 18, you come out, and then at 19, you get sent back for robbery and assault. Yeah. Now, was this with the fight with 4Xtra? I think so. Yeah, it was. It was like 2016. Yeah, that's when it was. So you and 4Xtra got into a fistfight? Yeah. So 4Xtra said he won that fight. Yeah. What actually happened? he's a liar first of all okay it really wasn't even no like it was more of like a tussle it wasn't even no fight so basically i landed in the dorm because i hit the county and when i hit the county all my homies was at uh all my homies was at mcj and i landed with all my homies in men's central jail and they end up calling me for wayside and a bunch of the homies like they like refuse like we don't go to wayside like all the neighborhoods at wayside they tripping i'm like And at that time, it was real hectic. Like, you know, it was real bad for, like, my homies and stuff because they were super deep. Like, the neighborhoods were super deep at Wayside. So I ended up telling my homies, I'm like, man, like, I'm not going to refuse. If they call me, I'm going to just go. Like, you know, I'm not about to go to the hole. Like, I'm going to just go to Wayside. So my homies like, all right, like, you're going to go? I'm like, yeah. So one of my homies like, man, well, just know, like, you know, they over there on that. So I'm like, all right, I'm on that too. So they sent me to Wayside. when they send me to wayside, I end up landing in the dorm with him. So when I landed in the dorm with four extras, he was on the phone. And when I walked in, I remember he got off the phone and he asked me, like, where you from, little boy? Like, at the time, I was probably like 19 years old, like 126 pounds. So he like, where you from, little boy? I'm from Westside Hoover. He like, like, stop playing. Like, I'm like, nah, nigga, I'm from Hoover. He like, you from Hoover? I'm like, yeah. He like, oh, yeah, cuz you know who I am? I'm like, nah. He's like, I'm four extras, 40 crib. I'm like, yep, I'm in for JAPTA Shooter, Westside Hoover. He's like, oh, yeah, you got fades. So I'm like, all right, bet. But then he told me, he's like, you too small for me. I'm not going to get down with you, but you're going to get down with my homies. So I'm like, all right, bet. So he gave me two fades. He's like, you're going to get down with the homie Baby Sisko, and you're going to get down with the homie Stone from 5'7". So at lunchtime, we went under the stairs. he uh we line up the phase and i end up doing my shit like i end up performing on both of them i got the best of both of his homies that he put on me so he was hot like i seen it in his face he was mad as fuck he was pacing back and forth he was balling up his fist he was like gasping so i already knew like it was bad like i said they don't talk but i just ran two phases so i'm like all right fuck it so he come over there he start taking off his shirt once he start taking off his shirt i'm like damn i already know like you know it's bad so uh he like on 40 crib that's out like i need that So I'm like damn I'm like let me catch my breath cut He like that's out on 40s I'm like let me catch my breath He like that's out I'm like man let me catch my breath He tried to bomb on me So when he started bombing on me We started like wrestling So while we wrestling and shit I'm trying not to let him hit me Because like I said I just ran two fades back to back So I'm like I'm not trying to let him hit me Because at the time he was a big dude Like you know he was like 26 years old He probably was a little bigger than what I am now But on top of that like I said I'm 5'7 he like 6'2 6'3 like I said he a big boy so I'm trying to like basically like run from him I'm trying to get from up under him so he trying to slam me he trying to do the most so basically he ended up like overpowering me he threw his body at me overpower me I fell like I said I bounced up the police start flashing us like hey stop fucking horse playing whatever he like we just playing they like uh the police like stop horse playing or y'all gonna both go to the hole so when they say that uh he go his way he he he have like super theatricals run upstairs foody crap i go my way so that was the end of it but then like the part that threw me off about everything is that after we got out after after the whole little shit he came over there he like i respect you like your homies don't come in here like nigga you the only hooven nigga that came in here that ran your face that did this that did that like he like i respect you so we we ate together after that we worked out together after that like we didn't went to court a few times tripped in tanks together i didn't ran fades watched him run fades with other little people that he beefed with like it was it was smooth like you know we we was cool so it's like 10 years later i'm in prison and i hear that you did this interview talking about how you fucked me over like man stop popping it like you're lying it didn't happen like that uh your homie bad news no it didn't happen like that from 9-0 it was a few avalon blew from five tray avalon was in there no nose from bounty hunters it was a bunch of people in there that know that it didn't happen the way that he said so it's like he out here faking the image like he just super tripping it's like not at all what'd you think about him blowing off his fingers on the 4th of July last year? shit that was the craziest shit I'd ever heard of like honestly when I heard about that I mean number one why even have an M1000 in your hand like that? yeah I don't know that dude got an explosive personality man like i don't know like i feel like when they come down to it sometimes god got a crazy way of humbling people like you 40 years old playing with fireworks and shit like sometimes shit like that gonna happen like you know like you're grown as fuck you got a baby you out there playing with fireworks super ignorant like get a life like you out there playing with fireworks at 40 years old like you damn near 40 like that's out well i heard that his friend actually got it way worse like he blew off his fingers but his friend i think got part of his face blown off yeah i don't know nothing about that i know that uh when i was in jail everybody was sending me like his hand and shit and like laughing about it i was like that's serious like you know i don't wish that on nobody yeah like all bush to the side like i said he was cool hey man i mean i really like when that happened i thought like he had no idea that he woke up that morning with the last day with all five fingers. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't think about shit like that. Like, after today, I'm not gonna have a full hand anymore. It's like, they say you play with fire, you get burned. Like, literally. Like, you out there playing with fireworks. Like I said, that's, I don't know. Like, you know, I try to keep my opinion to myself, but we grown. Like, I'm not even his age. I'm 28. I'm not. I'll leave that shit to the YNs. I'm not about to be out there running the streets playing with fireworks. Well, when you got into the fight before Extra, you were there for robbery and assault? I had a few different charges, but I ended up getting convicted of the robbery and assault. Okay, what was the robbery about? I don't remember. I don't remember. Okay, but were you doing robberies during that time? Nah. Okay. It was like some bullshit. They just, I don't know. I feel like they had it all for me. So you stacked a bunch of different charges. Did you actually plead out or you were found guilty? No, I played out because they was trying to bang me. Every time I go to jail, they try to give me like 100 or better years. So I'm like, I'm not about to play with these people. Okay. So that right there, how long was that bid when you played out? I did like four years. Okay. That was pretty serious then. So like age 18 to 22, you were locked up? Yep. Okay. Now, was that the first time you were actually in adult prison? Yeah, that was the first time. State prisoned? Yeah. Okay, so what's different about state prison than all the juvie biz that you were doing? I feel like in juvenile hall, like, we're still wild. Like, you know, you still turned up wild. I feel like when you get to prison, it's more, like, structure. Like, you start to really understand, like, what's really going on. And that everything that, you know, we've been fed is, like, false belief. Like, you know, it's like, I don't know, it's crazy. Like, when you learn to, like, pay attention to, like, the detail of everything, it's like, man, at the end of the day, when I was in juvenile hall, it was turnt up, all gas, like, we tripping, all your enemies is on site, rushing them. It's that. Hit the county jail, same thing, squabble up, they pulling you out, popping you out, you got to run your fades. Like, it's just constant fades. But then when you get to prison, they, like, too black, too strong. And it's like a throw-off. Like, what the fuck? Like, like, man, I'm out here taking penitentiary chances, like about to get life in jail for for my enemies. And then once I get to prison y talk about it against other colors now Like it us against them And we too black too strong So it like more so like it a confusing thing So that where I woke up That where I finally opened my eyes Like, like, I can't die for this shit and I can't do life for this shit because, like, it's false. Yeah, I remember I did an interview with BG Knockout. Yeah. Who's a Compton Crip. And he said that one day sitting in prison, he had to think about whether he loved his gang more than his kids. Yeah. Because the love for his gang was keeping him away from his kids. And he finally said, you know something, I'm done with all this. You know, the thing that bothered me about my own situation was like, yo, I had to think about, I had to question, like, if I loved my kids and my family, because, like, why would I leave them to come to a place like this? You know? And that's the thing that I try to talk to my young homies who are still in there. It's like you watching your kids just grow up without you. Was that kind of like a similar type of thing that you started thinking about? In a sort, not really like I'm done with it, but I'm like, I just have to choose the path between like, OK, am I going to be a gang banger or a gang member? Like either way, I'm going to be a gang member. Like I'm always going to be from where I'm from. Like I can't take that back. Like it's like no matter what you do, that's going to be an attachment to you. Like, you can stop banging, you're still gonna be that dude from Hoover that stopped banging. Stop, I can snitch, they gonna be that dude from Hoover that snitched. Go bad, like, whatever I do, like I said. And I just chose, like, if I make a million, I'm gonna be the nigga from Hoover that made a million. So I'm like, I just have to choose my path. Like, I want to be the person from Hoover that made it before the person from Hoover that died or anything else. Like, you know? So I just chose, like, success. Like, I don't know. Like I said, I'm still where I'm from. But as just as far as participating in gang activities and all that shit, like, I'm a rap, man. I'm going to do my music. I want to change my life. I want to live for my daughters. I got two daughters. Like, you know, I want to move different. So that's what I kind of channeled on. Well, what do you think was the worst thing that you experienced or saw during those four years when you first got to state prison? Just a lot of, like, homie on homie stuff. Huh. Like, like I said, in prison is cards. So like they separate like the Bloods, they all run together. The Crips, like they have their card, like the neighborhood card, the Hub and the Dub card, the Long Beach card. so just like seeing like as far as like when it come down to it anything that was going wrong within like you like for example like if i did something my card would have to handle me so the hover car would have to stab me if i had to get stabbed if i had to get got off the yard they would have to get me off the yard so just thinking like like damn like it like it's gonna be your own homies like it's fucked up but it's politics like you know and just it's like playing with fire low-key like damn anything go wrong like it's like the neighborhood's not gonna get you like your own homies gonna get you so just just me seeing that and like not just us like i've seen neighborhoods knock each other out stab each other i've seen bloods do it to each other so it's like just seeing that just kind of open my eyes like damn like it's real like this prison shit real you could really die in here or another thing like just seeing people with hella years like landing in there like like i said i had a celly that had been down since 1972 damn that's before i was born yep i had a celly that been down since 1972 and he still worked out he was 72 years old still worked out still like talked and just like it was crazy i'm like just me seeing that like damn like the world would never see you again like people and people on the streets don't even know you exist like and it's fucked up like you know so many people get lost in the system that it's like I don't know. I just told myself that I don't want that to be me. Well, stabbings are common in prison. Yeah. Were you involved in any at all? Nah. Stayed away from that type of stuff. Just fistfights? Yeah, if I had to. In prison, you don't really fight like that. Like, unless you have to. If it's like a lineup or something, then you got to get it out the way. But prisons usually, like, no hands. Like, yeah. Well, I interviewed a couple of Chicago guys, and they told me something that I guess is unique to Chicago. called Savage Life. Have you ever heard of this? Hell no. Okay. So I've heard this from like three different guys who have either seen it or were around situations when it was happening. So in Chicago, the Savage Life thing, if you have a problem with someone, you would knock him out, pull down his pants and spit in his ass. Oh, no, that's some freaky shit. Because then, that has to be registered as a rape in prison because there's human substance inside you. Well, I don't know where this gay shit started from, but this was going on. In Chicago, Cook County Jail, they will knock you the fuck out. Cold. Knock you out cold. When you hit that ground, you will hear this. Get that butt! Motherfucker that gets that. Nah, the nigga that's fighting that be, get the butt. Motherfucker gone. Pull your pants down. Pull your drawers down. Open up your ass and spin your ass. Now your ass a bitch. And there's dudes with tattoos on their face. Like how many times they've done this to people. It was a nigga from the Burbs. I think he wide block or cheaper block or some shit. You know like how in the real world people say they get tattoos right here for killing people with tit drops? He had tattoos right here by his lip. He said that's how many asses he spit in. I'm like, I'm like, I gotta go home, folks. That's some foul shit. Have you ever heard of shit like this? Hell no. Okay. That's freaky. Were rapes occurring in prison? Nah, I didn't see no shit like that. I heard that's old back in the day shit. Okay, but you have gay dudes in prison that have relationships. Yeah, see, that's... So that's just like not in your card at all? Yeah, nah, I'm not a part of that. so if a hoover crip came out as gay what happens shit i don't know only god knows okay but is that accepted or not accepted shit i don't know i feel like that's his business whatever he got going is what he got going i mind my own business i don't so what i'm saying is though in this whole all the dudes around you in the hoover crip card yeah none of them were gay None of them had a boyfriend or anything else like that. In jail? Oh, hell no. Okay. So what I'm saying is that's not tolerated. Yeah, no, they got a place for that. All the gay dudes in their own kind of? Yeah, they send them to a different type of yard. Okay. Well, at what point did you start thinking about rapping? I felt like I just used to freestyle a lot. And my freestyle started going viral. And when they started going viral, people used to tell me, like, bro, you're really hard. Like, and I started running into people like I'll be out and people will see me and notice me from like the freestyles I was doing. And they asked me like, hey, you the dude from that freestyle. And I'm like, yeah, we're going to drop another one. Or people used to just send me like beats and I used to just freestyle on them. So once I started like realizing like, damn, like all the freestyles I'm doing going viral, like I'm going to try to make my own song. I made my own song and it went up to and I just didn't let off the gas. Okay, so were you releasing music while locked up or before you were locked up? Yeah, before I was locked up. I didn't release nothing like locked up. Okay, because you were locked up from, was it 2016 to 2020? Yeah, to 2020. Okay. Then from 2021 to 2026. Okay, so as you're doing the four-year bid from 16 to 20. Yeah. uh nipsey hustle gets killed yeah now you guys have problems with the rolling 60s yeah but i felt like nipsey was kind of above all that for sure in a way i remember when i interviewed big you he talked about how he kind of carefully sort of steered like nipsey's image where like you know he had him start doing songs with like yg and you know like when they would film videos he'd make sure that no one's name was crossed out in the background or no one's neighborhood was disrespected or whatever. Because that was like the first time you saw like Crips and Bloods doing music together in L.A. Yeah. So when we start moving, I used to purposely watch all our videos, make sure. I just tell Steve, no, that video can't go out because in the back of there, you got somebody said crossed out. And that video, no, you can't do this. And we used to purposely like make sure we weren't dissing people, but representing representing the turf. Right. And Nipsey would wear red in his videos. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, you can wear that. Wear what you want to wear. You know what I mean? Because I knew that it would send a message to L.A. And once we were able to kill the color line, that bull effect, you see red, you got to target, you got to attack it, you got to go at it. It would start making people be able to move. How did you feel about Nipsey? Sure, I loved him. Okay. I felt like that was one of my idols. Like, that's one of my icons for sure. Like, he one of the influences. Watched his documentary probably like 10 times. Like, I felt like he was very wise. Yeah, he was very influential. When he gets killed, what did you think? Because you're locked up at the time. Yeah. But I'm sure in the prisons, you guys heard instantly. Yeah, honestly, like, it's crazy because before he got killed, I was in prison. And we was in fire camp. It was me and another dude from 60s named Down Down. Baby Down Down. And we was talking, and I don't know what made it come to my mind, but I asked him, I'm like, what you think, like, what happened if Nipsey died? And he like, man, the city would be on fire. Like, they would set the city on fire. Like, he like, man, the homies would go crazy. And I told him, I'm like, I feel like if something happened to Nipsey, I feel like it would be some inside shit because everybody know where he is. like but he don't have the type of like i feel like he didn't have the type of personality or following that make people want to get him i feel like he definitely was like somebody who we needed around like you know like even like just being young like i remember when i used to be afraid to say i like nipsey like i used to be when i used to be with the homies i was like man turn that shit off and you don't want to hear this and then once i used to get by myself i used to watch his videos and yeah i used to like admire him like damn like he really dope and i just was afraid of what the homies would think about me like oh this nigga a fan of of a op yeah but like I said as I got older and started to realize like you know it's not about that like this was a wise man that was really giving a lot of education out there and you know helped his wealth and so I felt like he just he did a lot for the community he did a lot for all of us like you know even even his enemies like just by being wise and just showing us how to move and like just all around Like, you know, from how he walked to how he talked to him having one of the baddest females in the game. Like, it was it was very influential. I mean, when you found out who did it and it was an inside job because the guy who killed him, shitty cuz, was a role in 60s Crip. Yeah. What did you think? I instantly thought it was like some hater shit. Like, you know, when somebody going to the top, I feel like it's always going to be like that. Like, most definitely. But I feel like also like Nip was so smart that I'm sure if he would have realized or would have paid attention to the fact that 60s could have been his downfall, then I'm sure he wouldn't have fucked with them either. Like, you know, like just like he like I said, he was a wise guy, man, you know, real wise. And I feel like like he loved his hood so much that he didn't realize that that they could do that to him. Yeah, I remember I interviewed Freeway Ricky, you know, who's from South Central. Yeah, that's my relative. too yeah that's one of the ogs yeah and so forth and he said that he wished that he had talked to nipsey before he passed to explain to him how to function in the hood because he's like you can't ask someone if they're snitching in a situation like that because that could trigger all types of shit which ultimately happened yeah you know i'm saying like oh yeah in a situation like that you see someone you heard they're they're snitching whatever whether it's true or not you say all right cool hey good seeing you I got to go and that would have been the end of that as opposed to actually confronting someone with a piece of information in front of other people where now you're embarrassing that person and well you know you got to live a certain way to be able to live in South Central and and and have money you know you have to treat people a certain way. You have to be respected a certain way. And I don't think that he knew how to do it. Well, don't you think he was well respected in that area? I mean, he was kind of the savior of South Central. Yeah, I mean, you know, having respect and and and being respectful is two different things. And I haven't heard it wasn't even true. You know, like Brick Baby, that was like the homie of Shitty Cuz. And he said, yeah, this actually wasn't even true that he actually didn't snitch. But there was a rumor circulating and someone as big as Nipsey saying that. You're already unstable. You're already violent. You're on drugs. You've got mental issues. It's just a bad situation that, you know, let's just say that Nipsey, instead of hanging out in South Central, was hanging out at the Marathon Burger in, you know, where's Marathon Burger? Like in Hollywood? Melrose. Melrose, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's a whole different area, different types of people. He probably would have been fine. But being where he was, just a bad set of events. I don't have the same angle as everybody else. Nipsey, you should not be able to get close to nipsey but when you do get close to nipsey nipsey shouldn't be entertaining and and everybody feels his way don't entertain nigga you are a millionaire do you know how many people over here have did stuff and told and even if eric holder was a snitch why the fuck and i don't know if that's what the conversation with but but why even talk about that with this peon yeah it's just like i said it all i feel like life is just set on like when you learn how impactful your decisions are i feel like you start to like pay attention like one thing about me i learned a little different than like most like you know i'm one of the people that i learned from other people mistakes like i watch everybody like i watch draco i saw what he did wrong i watch nipsey i seen where he made his mistake at and i feel like at the end of the day it's like when you got that type of power like you gotta move different like you know it's like even if you are like i don't know how true it is but i heard that nipsey had went down there to bless one of his homies that just got out of jail yeah it's like you're a millionaire like you could have cashed that from 10 000 like you could have had a female go down there and bless them like you could have had your brother black sam go do it's like it's like when you like i learned like like My pops taught me, like, life is chess. Like, when you a king, you got to move like a king. And a king is usually the last piece to move on the board. It's like you got all the pieces around you. Like, you got to use your pawns. You got to use everything else. It's like, because once they get the king, it's over. The game over. It's like once you checkmate, it's done. Draco, you mentioned him. Yeah. I was speaking to Draco when he was locked up. His manager wanted me to interview him. and I said no because he was facing that murder and I'm like whatever we talk about is going to end up in your trial so as soon as you get out I got you but I just don't want to do anything to hurt your situation yeah he beat his case he came out we did the interview right away your manager TK actually wanted me to do the interview maybe about a year ago while you're still locked up yeah and I said no because I was concerned that something you might say in the interview might be used in your case yeah you know like i've been through legal shit myself my lawyers always told me to shut the fuck up when it comes to upcoming cases so for your well-being even though i knew it would get a lot of views i said no i'm gonna pass on it let's wait until everything works out yeah and here we are right worked out welcome home okay but then draco started kind of getting bold. He started dropping songs like Ingle Weird. Exactly. So when you say moving, is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Stuff like that? Just like, just creating enemies for yourself. Like me, like I game bang, but I don't diss hoods in my music. I don't do none of that. Like people know who I am. If you know who I am, you know who I am. Like, but I don't give people no extra reason to want to give me any more than they already do. Like, you know, like when it comes down to it. Dissing Inglewood as a whole city. And then going to go try to perform it Inglewood is crazy. Oh, that's where he got killed. Oh, is that the Forum? Yeah. I don't know if it was at the Forum. I know there was an event out there in Inglewood. Was it? Hold on. Let me double check. Wasn't it? I know it wasn't far. It was a once upon a time music festival at Exposition Park. Where is Exposition Park? So that's L.A. That's not Inglewood, right? Okay. Right. So he wasn't actually in Inglewood. That's still reachable. Like, you know, that's still... Well, so yeah, the city next door. pretty much. I mean, you, you create like more enemies for yourself. And when you do stuff like that, you just make yourself more of a target. Like it's different. Like when people already beef with you, like for example, like Nipsey hustle, like everybody knew where Nipsey was from. Everybody know he got enemies, but he wasn't doing no extracurricular activities to make anybody want to get him more than they already. Like, you know, like you can, he could have been doing a lot more, but he had a huge platform. If he was dissing hoods and doing all that, he would have had squares, like non-affiliates dissing hoods. It's like, when you got an influence like that, and people follow you. Like, it's like people out of state that don't know what gangs is that will be saying like, like this in Englewood. And it's like when you got that type of influence and you using your platform for stuff like that, you just make people want to get you way more. And it's like, like I said, I fucked with Draco. I felt like he was dope. I felt like, honestly, like he had it for the city. After Nip died, I felt like Draco was the face of the city. Oh yeah, no, I feel like a lot of people are doing their best Draco imitation these days. For sure, he paved the way for a lot of people. Yeah, like the style. If he was still alive. Yeah, even Drake was doing songs with him. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, he was really popping. Yeah, and he had crazy lingo. Like, he was dope. Yeah, no, he was dope. Like I said, I did one of the first interviews when he got out. It was sad. And that murder still, you know, unsolved. To think that you're in a huge crowd of people and no one saw anything. I mean, I'm sure that hurts for the family. You know, and rest in peace, Nipsey Hussle, man. I interviewed him one time, but we would run into each other in L.A. Yeah. We would chop it up. Just a good dude, man. Just a good dude. I was really sad when that shit happened. Okay, so you get out and you drop Instagram post with Treyway6k. Yeah. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, that's my bro. And that's your biggest song. Yeah, that's for sure. That song is like 8 million streams on Spotify. Yeah. Ah, and you also dropped activated Yeah How did it feel to have a solid that started to react? At EDF, we don't just encourage you to use less electricity We actually reward you for it That's why when you use less during peak times on weekdays We give you free electricity on Sundays How you use it is up to you EDF, change is in our power It felt good It felt like I was going towards my goal Like it felt like I was succeeding For sure Okay so you drop these songs And you start to buzz But then In 2021 You're out for about a year or so Yeah. And you get arrested in connection to a homicide case. Yeah. What was that about exactly? I don't want to talk about that. Okay, fair enough. So you get arrested and you get sent to county jail. Yeah. How did it feel to be charged with a murder at that point? It felt crazy. It felt like I dropped the ball, like honestly. like just to have the taste of success and like literally like that's what I felt like. I felt like it was like a Super Bowl game and I dropped the game winning touchdown in the end zone. Like I was so close to success. Like I was just breaking through. Right. And now you're facing life in prison. Double life. Double life. Why double life? That's just how they do it. I got three strikes. Oh, okay. Yeah, I got three strikes. So when you got three strikes and you fight another life sentence, basically they give you three because three strikes, you know, that's that's life automatically. Just fighting three strikes, you're going to be fighting life. And then whatever your charge carry. And oh, so you get life for the third felony plus life for the murder. So double life. Yeah, that's how you're never getting out. Yeah, that was I was I was that close. I mean, how did it feel? You're like 25 at the time, 24, 24 years old. potentially you got no bond no right 10.2 million 10.2 million meaning at first it was 3.5 and then i asked for a bail and when i asked for a bail they boosted it well i mean could you come up with 3.5 yeah i was gonna try you're gonna try like put up some houses and whatever i was gonna try me and my manager was gonna try to make it happen okay but then they raised it up to 10.2 So then it's like, okay, forget it. Yeah, it's done. I'll be here for a minute. Right, because you're basically sitting in jail thinking you may never leave prison for the rest of your life. Hell yeah. At 24 years old. It was like a, honestly, it was like an 80 to 20 chance. Like it was an 80% chance that I got life. Wow. And a 20% chance that I didn't. Okay, so while you're in jail awaiting the trial, you and Crip Mac run into each other. Yeah, for sure. And he had the Hoover Killer tattoo? Yeah. On his face? Yeah. Which is a crazy tattoo, by the way. Crazy as fuck. Have you ever seen anyone else with a tattoo like that? No. He's the only one? Yeah. Okay. I've seen a lot of people with disrespectful tattoos, but I think that's the most blatantly disrespectful one. How did that fight trigger? Shit, man. That wasn't even no fight. No? Nah. What was it? demolishing okay nah he uh shit man he he bullshit like big for nothing type shit he uh he landed he landed over there i seen him uh basically he landed in wayside where i was at i was already there probably for like six months i was back on my workout and stuff i started blowing growing up. So I seen him, when I seen him, he landed in the dorm with the homies He landed in the dorm with two of my homies and shit Are they Hoovers too Yeah they from Hoover Why would they put someone with a Hoover killer tattoo on their face with Hoovers Welcome to LA County, you can land anywhere. Are they doing it on purpose or they didn't know? They just put you, it's people everywhere. Like you been from Hoover, neighborhood, certain blood hoods. Like you land anywhere in the county, you're going to get a fade. Like they, it's so many different, like you land in a dorm, but Dorn be having like 66 people inside so you don't know who you got no it's like it's everybody yeah okay it's everything so it's like you landing there you gonna have a fade from somebody okay but have you heard of Krip Mac before that was the first time yeah for sure okay you already knew who he was trolling the fuck out of me on the internet oh yeah he was trolling me and I never used to be responding like I used to say like little shit but all the like him he used to do all the little theatrical talk he was gonna break my neck when he see me like there's plenty of videos like i was just watching one other day i wasn't watching it it came on my tv i was watching some videos and they popped on my tv and he was talking about like he hope i get life and dying that motherfucker and when he catch me he gonna break my neck okay so now you're face to face with him yep what happens so uh basically like i said he landed in the dorm with the homies so uh i was downstairs he landed upstairs so we was out at yard when he landed so when he landed uh it was a cool co there and i asked him like hey can i go talk to the homie real quick i'm I'm like, it's only going to be five minutes. So when my homie, like, he like, yeah, go over there. So when I went over there, I walked up to their dorm, like, it's bars, so they could see us and we could talk through the bars. Crip Mac was on the phone. And when he was on the phone, I seen him. We made eye contact. I told him, I said, come here, Custer. And he came to the bars. He like, what's up? I'm like, yeah, as soon as we can go to the yard, we're going to get that out the way. So, like, check it out. Like, come to the yard. So I ended up going back down. The police told me, like, hey, that's enough, Morgan. Like, come on. so I go down and shit, I go back to my dorm, and, uh, the next day, I end up seeing my homie at visiting, he was telling me, he, like, bro, that nigga Krip Mac was nervous, he was biting his nails, walking, like, pacing back and forth, he, like, but he was talking about, you little, he said, if he hit you, he gonna hurt you, he, like, he, like, he said, you a little nigga, I'm, like, man, I'm not worried about nothing, like, I got him, so, uh, uh, long story short, uh, fucking, one of the sergeants at Wayside I was pretty cool with he's always come over there and speak to me and shit so I told him I'm like hey man like can we go to yard with them and he like you want to go to yard with them I'm like yeah hell yeah I got homies over there so he told me like all right I'm gonna let y'all out uh together so I'm like it's good so I went to the ball I went to the door at the back door I knocked on I'm like tell Crip Mac they about to let us out to yard together so come outside like I need that so he like all right so Crip Mac he's like super theatrical and stuff he pump himself all up he's standing at the door breathing all hard like he about to do something i'm just like man it's it's good so uh he go out to yard he storm out the door fast as fuck he uh they let him out to yard he's super animated uh then i go out there like i said i'm real calm relaxed i just tell him i walk up to him actually like to tell him like i was trying to tell him like soon as uh soon as the police walk off like we're gonna do it up so when i went to go tell him Like, he was ready. As soon as I went to go tell him, like, we finna, uh, I'm like, hey. I walked up to him. I'm like, hey, as soon as the police, while he's starting, like, squaring up with me, I'm like, like, chill out. Like, we gonna, we gonna get it. Like, chill out. So, long story short, uh, the police left. I'm like, you ready? He like, yeah. He's square up. Uh, I throw my hands up. He swing like some crazy, wild, loose shit. When he swing, I dodge it. He swing again. I dodge it again. and I just connect. I threw like a two-piece and I connect with his chin and then I try to take his chin off with a right and he smacked the ground and he was done. I started beating on him on the ground and stuff and when I started beating on him on the ground, he was just squirming. Like he was just on the ground squirming. His mouth was leaking and shit. He just kept on saying, all right, cuz, all right, cuz. I'm like, you ain't no Hoover killer. Bitch, keep the set out your mouth, nigga. And I kept on just smashing him on the ground. Then he just was like squirming and shit and then somebody ended up telling me, Oh, no, his homie, some dude that was banging 40s was like, hey, let him up. I'm like, nigga, that's out. And I told the homie Dillinger, I'm like, man, get cuz. And I just kept on smashing Krip Mac. I let him up, and I told him, like, keep the set out your mouth. I tried to fire on him again. He started, like, backpedaling. Then afterwards, he just came over there. He's like, you really a boxer, cuz? And then I'm like, and I told him, I'm like, you better not go on no interview and tell nobody that you beat me up. Neither, you bitch-ass nigga. Like, nigga gonna crash you. He was like, all right, I'm not, because I'm going to keep it 55th Street. Then he shook my hand. I went my way. He went his way. Okay. Did he talk about it afterwards? Yeah, he talked about it plenty of times. What did he say? He said, I whooped his ass. Okay, so he admitted in terms of what happened. Yeah. Okay. I mean, does Crip Mac, is he autistic? Because I feel like he's not 100% there. Yeah, he definitely a little off. Yeah. Like, yeah, he a little off. But like I said, he cool. He got a good heart. He just got to find himself. Like, he seemed real lost. Like, he a pretty genuine person, though. I know, like, he solid. Like, after we fought and shit, he started asking me, like, do I need food and shit? So, y'all became cool after that? Nah, we wasn't cool. He just was asking me, do I need food? Like, he came over there. He had a big-ass bag of, like, all noodles. And he like, hey, you need some soup? So, I'm like, nah, I'm good. Then he called me a few more times and asked me, like, about his mom. because I met his mom. One day I was with my little homegirl, Lady Jop. And we was in Vegas. We was out to eat at Applebee's and his mom worked there. And she came and she ended up asking me, she's like, your name Jop? I'm like, yeah. She's like, after you finish eating, can we take a picture together? And I'm like, yeah. She's like, yeah, you beef with my son. And I was like, who your son is? And she was like, oh, that don't matter right now. Why would she take a picture with the guy that beat up her kid? No, at the time I didn't beat him up. She said, you beef with my son. Oh, okay, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, and I just took a picture. She was very respectful. She was a real cool lady. Yeah, wives ain't got nothing to do with this. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I'm not on that type of time. I'm respectful. Like I said, I keep my beef in the street. You said something interesting. You said that in prison, rival gang members get along, but then they get out and they try to get each other. Yeah, that's so backwards to me. It's like, like I said, when you think about it, it's like you get life. and then once you get life in jail, it's too black, too strong. Like, y'all gotta be cool. Like I said, it might be some neighborhoods selling phones in there. Like, I gotta go get my phone through a neighborhood. Like I said, it might be a riot in the neighborhood, gotta save you. Like, you know, same thing. It's like vice versa. Like, the Hoovers might have phones in the neighborhood, might want to buy one or weed or whatever the people want to buy. It's like the opposites might have it and it's like y'all gotta do business. Same thing, like, you gotta share the bars. Like, you work out, you're gonna be working out with Crips. So it's like after just learning like how to coexist, because prison was my first time learning how to coexist with my enemies. Everything before that, it was like on site. So it's like you catch them outside. It's on that. In the halls, it's on that. County jail, fades on site, lineups, prison. You got to coexist. You get on any book, you're getting in trouble by your homies. Well, now that you're older, right, because you're almost 30 now. when you look at a situation like, all right, Hoover's have beef with Roland's 60s. It's on site. But this beef started before you were born. As we're going through the history, you don't even know some of it because it's before your time and it's murky and so forth, right? Now that you're older, you have kids. To think about, I have to go physically attack someone, possibly kill someone that I don't know over a reason that I'm not quite sure about. Does it sound a little crazy now that you get older? Yeah, most definitely. It's like, it's not even no age limit on it. Right. I feel like just hearing it, like just understanding, like once you develop an understanding to understand that it's like, it's like, for example, like playing basketball against a team and your team versus their team. And it's like, you can't score. It's like, it's no scoring. Cause it's like, you can't kill all your enemies. It's going to be a new batch of them that graduate from high school next year. Right. It's like when you just think about like like the ongoing history, it's like you can't call the ops. You can't do nothing. It's like, what are you doing it for? At the end, there's nowhere like I don't know, no place right now where I can go. And I got hella street credit. I don't know nowhere where I could go my street credit and go get no hell cut off no lot or no house in my name. Right. Like they don't give a cool infant Jap is. They don't give a fuck about who Jap the shooter is. They don't give a fuck about none of that. Like I said, that only matter in jail. and it barely mattered in jail because you're going to get there and it's going to be a dude that's been down for 40 years that run everything that don't give a f*** about who you are because life for him is prison. Okay, so you're locked up facing double life over the homicide. Yeah. And when did you get to the whole plea deal conversation? Really right before I started trial. Oh, really? So you're about to go to court. How nervous are you over that court? did you have a real lawyer by the time yeah i had a real lawyer okay so you didn't have a court court of lawyer too for getting me out that motherfucker man okay so you have a real lawyer but still you're facing a murder yeah so i'm sure you're scared to death come on man you're human not honestly like at first i was but i believe in god so you know like i know that you can't have no doubts in God. Like if you can't doubt God, you got to just know that he going to do his work. And that was more so like my mindset. I'm like at the end of the day, I'm a good person. Like, you know, I did a lot of bad, but I'm like my heart is still where it's good at. So I just. Yeah, but look, I remember Tory Lanez before his trial. I remember he tweeted, I'm going to show you all how powerful my God is and everyone will stand in awe after all this is done. And then a day later he gets found guilty and he got 10 years. You know what I'm saying? You could believe in God. You could feel you're a good person, but you got a judge and you got a jury. Yeah, for sure. And you got prosecutors and they have way more, because this was a state case, not a Fed case, right? Yeah, it was a state case. Well, even with the state, you have the state of California versus you. Yeah. And this is one of the biggest states, basically the most powerful state in the country with all the money they need, all the research. You know, all the detectives, cameras. Then you got, even if you didn't do it, then you got people that are willing to snitch and say you did just so they can get out of jail. For sure. Right? So you got a lot riding against you in a situation like this. So how many days before trial did the plea deal start coming together? It was the first day. Oh, so you were actually in trial. I was going for jury selection. Oh, shit. I had my clothes and all that. I had my tuxedo, everything ready. Okay. Yeah, I was ready to bat. Okay. And then, what, the prosecution felt they didn't have a great case? Yeah, they just came to me and was like, look, my lawyer came to me. He said, man, I got some good news. And I'm like, okay, what's the good news? He like, they just, like, you know, this whole time, he like, man, they've been offering you nothing. Like, they said, like, life. That's it. They ain't offered you no deals. He like, so, this is big. And I'm like, all right, what? He like, seven years. I'm like, seven years? like seven. And he like, yes, seven years. I'm like, I'll take it right now. So you didn't even think about it. Okay. So how much time served did you have at that point? About two and a half. Okay. Two and a half. Best case, you get what? 50% of the time? 66. 66, two thirds. Okay. So seven years turns into maybe five. Yep. About that. Two and a half in, you're kind of halfway done. Exactly. Okay. So you didn't even try to negotiate at that point. But give it here. Where do I sign? Where's the pen? Yeah, just talk. Okay. Was that like the happiest day of your life at that point? At the time, honestly, no, because I wanted to go like directly home. Well, yeah, but that wasn't going to happen. You know, I believed. Like I said, honestly, like I put all my trust in God and I just knew like, you know, I used to pray every day. I just knew that when it came down to it, I was going to go home. I'm like, it's all or nothing. That was my mindset. So when they came to me with seven, I was happy. I'm like, I'm going to get to make it home to my daughters again. And I'm going to get to make it home before 30. So I just, I was blessed. I definitely was blessed and humbled. It humbled me. And I just was ready. I'm like, all right, just to know that I had a secure date, that I was going to make it back home to my family. that's what mattered the most to me. Okay. So now you start serving your real time. Yeah. But as you're serving your time in 2025 on your birthday your dad gets killed. For real. And it was sort of just a weird situation, right? Like an altercation happened? Yeah. Can you describe what happened? I really too much don't know what happened. like from the, I was, you know, I was on the inside, but I just knew, like, I remember, like, going to sleep the night before, and I was telling all my sellies and stuff, like, I'm like, yeah, when I wake up in the morning, I know I'm gonna wake up to hella good morning texts, because we had tablets, so I'm like, I know I'm gonna wake up to hella good morning texts, so they like, hell yeah, for sure, so I end up, uh, I went to sleep, I woke up, and when I woke up, uh, I signed into my tablet, and the first message I seen was, sorry for your loss, I was like, what the fuck are y'all talking about i just start seeing like a bunch of like sorry for your loss and crying like faces and shit so i really was like what the fuck is that about so i uh my baby mama had ended up messaging me was like your mom said call her asap so i called her asap and when i called her my mom was crying she like uh she said happy birthday her happy birthday baby sorry to tell you but your dad like just just got killed i was like damn like i i didn't know how to take it like you know i kind of didn't believe it like you know taking a loss from the inside it's like it's hard to register because it's like i already been away from him so it it felt like fake all right because he was already out at that time right he was out and he got into an argument with some dude on the street it wasn't gang related it was just a regular argument i guess the guy pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the groin? Yeah. And then he bled to death. Yeah, I guess they had a fight, and however it happened, I guess my dad didn't realize that he was stabbed. They said he just fell back. Yeah. Huh. Were you in contact with your dad leading up to that whole situation? Yeah, hell yeah. Me and him had gotten to it. We wasn't really seeing eye to eye. But that's my dog, you know? Were you able to go to the funeral? No, they didn't let me go Really? They wouldn't even let you go to the funeral? Hell no My CSR was too high I was a 5 They had me labeled as high Like the highest So I couldn't They wasn't letting me do nothing like that My CSR level had to be low to be able to go to the funeral The guy that killed him He was arrested? Yeah And convicted? Nah, I know he's starting trials soon. Oh, he's still locked up? Yeah, he down. If this guy gets life in prison, how would that make you feel? No way. I feel no way. You don't care? Nah. So that wouldn't bring any sort of closure to your life? Nah, hell no. I'm not the type of person like that. I don't wish gel on nobody. Even though he did that, it's life. Honestly, it might sound cruel, but I became so numb to this shit. It's like, it's life. Like, you know, can't nothing bring my pops back. So it's like at the end of the day, now it's like, what's done is done. Like, I don't wish life on him. I don't wish he get life. Yeah, so it is what it is. Like, it's done already. Let's just say he walked in the room right now and sat down next to you and said, listen, I'm sorry. It was a fight. And, you know, once hands started getting thrown, you know, anything goes. I didn't want to kill him, but I was also scared, and that's what happened. I'm sorry. Would you accept that apology or would you? No, I would accept the apology. You would? Yeah, I'll forgive him. Really? I want to be forgiven for everything I've done, so I got to forgive people. Really? Yeah. I mean, I just talked to my man Napoleon from the Outlaws. Yeah. And when he was like a baby, these guys came into his house and killed his mother and father. And the guy just got out. But he turned Muslim in prison. And Napoleon's like a hardcore Muslim. He moved to Saudi Arabia. And he had a conversation with him and forgave him. The guy said, I was a different person back then. I'm not that anymore. The people that came into the house, they was pretty much friends with my father. They grew up with my father. And they used to spend the night at my grandmother's house. You understand? One day they came in as if it was a normal visit, took out weapons, killed my father, shot him in the chest. One time, instantly he died. My mother, she was pretty much, you know, and this let me realize the power and the strength of a mother when it comes to protecting their children. My mother, she was running around the house grabbing me and my brothers. They shot us seven times, 13 times before she passed away. But she was able to protect us. She hid in the bathroom. My little brother, he was only six months, she hid him in the drawer, the dresser, cracked the dresser. And me and my other brother, by the permission of God, she was able to save us. Yeah, I don't know how, if I could do that. You know? forgive the person that killed my mom and dad gotta be strong i don't i don't know if i could do that you know yeah i don't know man i don't know it takes a different type of person yeah you gotta be strong and then you gotta be understanding also it's like you know we come from like i got a lot of homies that's fighting murders right now and i got a lot of family members that's fighting murders right now so it's like like i was trying to explain to people like a lot of people was yelling free me like a lot of people like free job free job i hope he come home but then it's like when someone killed one of your relatives it's like you like oh i hope you ride in jail like that's hypocritical like that that's that's been a hypocrite you know that's hypocritical as fuck it's like you want a killer to come home but then you want another one to go down it's like if i'm fighting a murder and you want me to come home you yelling free job and then this other person fighting a murder on your relative and you want him to die in jail like how is that like you got to understand like if it's if you're gonna play the game you got to play it like it's certain rules and regulations that come with this shit it's like you can't wish death on nobody because like all right it's just how you yelling free japan's a lot of people yelling man i hope he dying that motherfucker so yeah i just feel the whole game is rigged man i feel like it's not designed for you to win yeah you got these street rules that i feel really benefit the guys on top. Like they say you shouldn't snitch but most times that's the dudes at the top trying to protect themselves and letting all the little homies go to prison for shit that they're doing. Because let's say, you know, you don't snitch, you get out. What's the prize? It's not that they really take care of you in prison. It's not like you get out and there's a house waiting for you and a car and so forth. And a lot of these rules, man, it's, it makes sense and it doesn't make sense. And it's hypocritical in a lot of ways. And people end up losing their entire lives in a split second. One bad decision, you get angry, you do something. You know, girls are involved. A lot of times you're high. You're not thinking properly. You know, I just I've interviewed so many guys in this situation over the years. Yeah. And there's never. Yeah, I'm proud of what I did. And I want my kids to do the exact same thing that I did. It's always like, damn, like now that I know better. I feel crazy that I even went down this road. I feel like it's more so just stemmed off of like generational curse. Like, you know, like it's like, how do you expect somebody to teach somebody that don't know nothing? It's like, how do you expect the blind to lead people? It's like when it comes down to it, like I can't blame my dad for raising me the way that he raised me when he was raised the way that he was raised. It's like as times start to transpire, you got to understand that it's like you can't blame the people that come from where you come from because it's like they come from the same place you come from. So it takes me like it took me myself to educate myself and really realize that what I was doing is wrong. And it made me also want to step forward, like, as far as, like, changing my community and just impacting the life of all the youngins that look up to me and just letting them know, like, there's different ways to do it. Like, you don't got to be a shooter to be from your gang. Like, I learned that from me doing time. Like, you said, I used to be, they used to call me Infant Jopped Shooter. Like, that's what I was. I was known as the shooter. But then also I learned over time that a shooter is the lowest form of a street nigga. Like, that's the lowest form. It's like you got people with the money, with power that could tell you to go do something. No one wants to be the shooter. They always want someone else to do it for you. It's broken now. But that's what's so glorified. The shooters glorify now. So it's like when people realize that you're the shooter and that being a shooter is glorified, everybody want to be a shooter now. As rappers rap about it, everything is about being a shooter. But like I said, the shooter is the lowest form of a street soldier. And it's like a shooter is a pawn. because you're going to go to jail. Ain't nobody going to bail you out. Ain't nobody going to put money on your books. And most of the people, most of the shooters I know, honestly can't bail out for a shooting. Like if you can't, that's crazy. All the shooters you know can't bail out for their own shooting. Yeah, like it's like the scammers and all that that's getting money. They can bail out for whatever they want to, but they're not out there shooting. It's like the shooters is usually like the dudes that can't bail out. I mean, I've always heard stories that for example, a lot of New Orleans dudes were talking about how much they would get paid. and so forth. Was there actual paid shootings during your time? Were people actually putting money, or is it just like, yo, it's on site, this is what we do anyways? Nah, it was just living life. Like I said, just rules of the game. So you guys aren't even getting paid for this shit? Hell no. So it's not like there's a ticket associated with this particular act? Nah. So you're taking all the risk, and you get none of the reward? Handshakes and hugs. Handshakes and hugs. Wow. Well, you know, my condolences to your dad. Snoop Dogg actually said RIP in the comments. There's a dude that kind of broke down the story. Yeah. And I don't know whether Snoop and your dad knew each other, but he paid his condolences. Yeah, that's real. Yeah. Did you know about that? Nah, hell no. That's dope, though. Shout out to Snoop Dogg for that. Yeah, shout out to Snoop Dogg. Appreciate that. But you're still locked up. Now, at one point, you get a release date, which was January 31st, 2026. Shit, I had a release date since I went to prison, since I took my time. But didn't it get lower based on good times and stuff like that? Yeah, hell yeah, I was in there doing classes, all types of shit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you have one but it getting shorter and shorter Yeah so my original release date for right now is October It was October 2028 Right That what I saying Yeah that was my original release date but I just took a bunch of classes I did Youth Offender Program classes. I did a computer technician. I did a youth diversion program. I did a bunch of like, like just a self-help and emotional intelligence, life skills, victims impact. ARC. Like, I just did a bunch of classes, like, that knocked off a bunch of time. And I ended up getting off, like, almost two years. As you're taking these classes, right, and I'm talking to you, you're an intelligent guy. I'm talking to you, like, as an equal, right? I went to college. You didn't. But who cares, right? At the end of the day, we're both two smart people. As you're taking these classes, learning these skills, are you thinking, because you didn't graduate high school. You got your G.D. I did. I graduated high school. Oh, you graduated high school. Yeah, I got my diploma. Oh, okay. but you didn't go to college no i didn't go to college but as you're taking these classes did you start thinking like damn like my life could have really been a different direction from the jump i could have been high school college good job career starting a business and so forth like did you start thinking like that because it's not like everyone else is not you know it's not like you're you know you're as smart if not smarter than everyone else Yeah. It's not like, for example, like a crit max situation where I think that he has like like autism, maybe a learning disability or whatever else. You actually could have gone as far as anybody. Yeah. Did you start realizing that as you're taking these classes and these trades? So not exactly. I just started realizing like how important education is. And a lot of the stuff I started to like when I was in class, a lot of stuff I was knowing already for my street smarts. But I just did not have the dictionary definition of it. So, like, like, I didn't know what PTSD was, but I knew, like, when certain things come around, I get real paranoid, like, or like, you know, so I didn't understand, like, the dictionary definition of, like, trauma and everything that we go through, you know, as humans and, like, the in and outs of life. Like, I didn't understand the actual definition of it. So once I start putting a definition with it, I'm like, oh, that's what that is. So, yeah, that's what that's what it taught me. Okay, so January 31st, 2026. Yeah. You get out. What was that first day like? Shit, it was amazing, man. Yeah? Hell yeah. Because at that point you've been in for like five years? Yeah. So you missed a whole bunch of shit. A whole lot of shit. A whole lot of shit. What was different about the world when you got out? I feel like everything is more like social media based. And the same thing with just like technology. like most most of the stuff like that you gotta go through your phone like i went to mcdonald's and like different restaurants and they don't be having like that many customers i mean employees no more yeah like everything is like through a kiosk yeah i'm like oh shit yeah so it's like if you don't have a card you fucked like for real so it's like just seeing stuff like that and then just seeing like how like more graphic everything is on the internet like i feel like everything's recorded now like back then it wasn't like that like i feel like everything's recorded like you can go see shootings and killings and brutal stuff like there's all type of stuff like posted on the internet so it's like like it's crazy it's like back then that stuff would get your instagram deleted that stuff would do a whole lot of shit it's like now it's just in front of your face like same thing it's a lot of people like like these uh i don't know what to call them like the people that be doing like reviews and talking on YouTube. Yeah. Like basically the YouTubers, like the dudes that we talk about all this gang shit, they all snitching. They are building cases for the police and the DA. They putting together nice cases. Yeah. Like I'd be seeing those videos like, wow, these people, it's really telling. Like these dudes is fighting cases right now, active cases and you making, yeah, I don't know how the fuck they be doing all that, but they, yeah, it's big on that too. Yeah. I mean, shout out to Trapload Ross. he's one of the one of the names I think of what you're talking about not what I do yeah people you know that's his thing I just do interviews but he actually lays out and sometimes he doesn't get it right yeah sometimes he gets it right yeah that's dangerous people don't realize that they out here really like fucking people like people don't realize that they want to get their content they want to get their money they want to do whatever they're doing but it's people and they're suffering and spending life in prison behind with their content well but it's not like the video puts them in prison No, but it's like you got to think about it like as far as like an active case. Like, for example, like I got homies that's on a case right now and they fighting the case like they just went to jail. But it's already interviews coming out like where they talking and they're saying too much. And it's like, all the DA got to do is go watch this video and come to court with all this information and he's going to look like a fucking genius. It's like people are building a lot of cases like that. Yeah, I've always been careful about talking about open cases with people. People like to say that I'm the feds and I send people to prison. But, you know, for example, you say you didn't want to talk about the case that you just did prison for. And I'm like, cool, no problem. Yeah. But you actually, technically you could talk about it since you've already done it. But since you said you don't want to talk about it, cool, we're going to go on. But if you actually had active cases, I wouldn't even talk about them. Yeah. Because I'm aware of it's all going to be part of the case at that point. You know, and I don't want to send anyone to prison. Exactly. And the reason, like, to clear it up, like, the reason why I didn't want to talk about it is because, you know, sometimes when things are over with, it's over with. Like, you know, like, it's buried behind me. Like, I did my time and everything. Like, I want to put that behind me. I don't want to talk about nothing that's going to make it look or even twist it so anybody can make it look like I'm glorifying anything. Like, you know, like, I don't glorify anything. Like, what happened, happened. I apologize, like, you know, for the role that I played in it. And, you know, I wish the best for everybody who was like, who got hurt in the situation. Like, you know, it wasn't my intention. Like, you know, but that's it. I don't glorify nothing. And I don't want to make it look like I'm on here glorifying anything because that's not the way to go. Yeah, I mean, one of the worst, I think, times in Vlad TV history. Probably the worst time. if I think about kind of everything I've done was the interview I did with BTB Savage. Do you know about this story? No. So BTB Savage was a Texas rapper, like an underground rapper, who got into a situation with someone. It was like a drug deal gone bad, and the guy tried to rob him, and they managed to get the gun away from him, and he ended up killing the guy who robbed him. Right? Him and his girl got the gun away and then they end up killing the guy. And as he's telling the story, he's kind of bragging about it in a certain regard, right? But then he was like, well, he died. And I was like, shit, good. My fucking son was in there. I was like, so whatever going on, I ain't tripping. I did that shit for my son. He got it. He had to go. He had to die. Like that. And I was like, I couldn't really grab The time where it was time for me to grab the gun, she would have slid it. He could have grabbed it. So, shit. I told her to blow. That's what she got to do. I mean, shit. That's my girl at the time. So, shit. If I step, you better step. Ready to not go. So, we put the interview out. And then, after the interview is out, he posts a picture of himself at the crime scene. With blood all over the floor. and he's like holding his jewelry up with the caption, too much motion. And later that day, he gets killed. Yeah. And it was like, damn. And it was like, well, had he not bragged in the interview, had he not posted a picture, because the dude that he had, that got killed has people that I'm sure, I don't know that these two situations are related but when you look at it it's like probably yeah and it had to do you know if he had you know i let people talk you know i'm saying but i think if he had approached it a little bit differently hey listen i'm really sorry about what happened it was a very sad situation i'm sorry about you know for his family and so forth and he had he not posted that picture things could have worked out a little bit differently but yeah when you talk about people losing their lives yeah it's sensitive it's sensitive and it doesn't go away yeah and then it's like you got to also understand like it's like a lot of people have family members and like with like it don't it don't take it they don't have to game bang like that could be somebody's brother he could have a brother that's that's into sports it's like you go in there now and you glorifying a homicide or something and it just triggers something into his brother and it makes his brother go get revenge or his mom dad like anybody like cousins like you know it's just a sensitive subject and it's like sometimes you got to be careful what you say and how you say it because you never know who it's going to trigger well now you're out and uh celebrity boxing seems to be a big thing yeah did you watch the uh blue face fight yeah what'd you think i feel like he did his thing i feel like what he said like I feel like they chose to, I don't know, you know, sometimes when you're a winner, they try to find everything. Like, I don't know. It's like me, for example. I done punched out so many people, knocked out so many people. My county jail record, probably more than 200 to like five losses. I done had 200 wins to five losses. And it's like, you got this dude come out here and do an interview speaking on how he did this or did that, just lying. And now the whole world is just like, oh, 4X is just glorifying him. I feel like when it come down to it, it's like you can do whatever you do. They're going to try to find a scuff on your chuck no matter what. It's like that's just what goes with the game. It's like when you somebody, they're going to try to find any reason. I feel like Blueface did his thing. Like I feel like but the part that they did post, like it's like it's hater shit. That's what they do. You mean him getting knocked out of the ring? Yeah. But that really happened though. No, it happened. But it's like why I didn't put the part when he was really socking on him. You know, he was doing his thing. Blueface really got squabble. Like, he really was doing his thing. I agree. I mean, Blueface could really fight. I mean, I've interviewed him. As a matter of fact, the Nick Young media day, I was right there on the table, you know, between the two of them. Yeah. Right? But, you know, Clarissa Shields, you know, she commented on it, and this is one of the, potentially one of the greatest, if not the greatest female boxer ever. Yeah. And she said, well, in her opinion, Blueface lost. And what she said was, a lot of these rappers were getting, you know, getting in the ring, they need to spend about six months training because a jail fight is not a boxing ring. A street fight is not a boxing ring. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, but it's the same thing. It's like, instead of looking at like stuff like that, like that's Clarissa Shields. That's somebody who's been boxing her whole life. Yeah. So it's like, it's easy for somebody to say that. That's like putting somebody that ain't never been through nothing in jail. I bet you put her in jail, she'd probably get her snacks took and shit. Like, that shit don't mean nothing. I don't know, man. I think she might sock up a couple people. Shit, you can sock up whatever. Like I said, I've socked up plenty of people. I done landed in dorms where they didn't put out knives and turn me straight. Like, I'm like, oh, like I said, what you gonna do? You could be the coldest boxer in the world. You land up in a dorm and somebody pull a knife on you. So you had a situation like that? Plenty of them. So you were about to get into it with someone. They pull a knife out. No, I land in dorms. And you're like, all right, you got that. No, I land in dorms and I'll be like, oh, yeah. Like, they tell me, like, oh, yeah, you got fades or whatever. Or, like, you know, after fighting for so long in the county, like, your name starts to go around. So I'm landing in dorms with some people that be like, this nigga not finna knock me out. And they'll pull out a knife. And when they pull out a knife, like, I didn't say anything. I done been in the court tanks, seen somebody walk in, where you from? Oh, I'm from neighborhood. I'm from here. I'm from there. And I'll be like, all right, well, I need that. And niggas be like, I'm not doing no fighting. Pull out a knife. You got that, big dog. You got that. I don't blame you, man. You say you lost like five fights? Yeah, in my whole life. In my county jail history, hell yeah, probably about five fights. What was the worst fight that you lost? It never really was. I just feel like, like I said, I'd be putting a lot of people to bed or dropping people. So whenever I don't feel like I dropped nobody or did, I feel like I lost. I feel like I didn't park them. But you never taken any like a gotten jump, like a real serious loss, get put in the hospital. No, never. So you've never gotten stabbed. I've never even, like, other than 4-H is probably the only person that ever knocked me down. And that's, like I said, he used his body to do it. It wasn't, like, I've never been from the shoulders, got parked. I never got dropped. I've never been knocked out. Never had no jaw broke, busted nose, broken, nothing. Broken, nothing. Black eyes, nothing. Yeah, but it could happen one day. No, most definitely it could. We're all human, right? There's always someone tougher than us. I'm going to stay away from that, though. Like, you know, like, I know how to defend myself more than anything. Like, you know, I'm a defensive fighter, so I'm going to defend myself. But I'm not into the boxing shit, though. I'm cool. I want to focus on rapping. I'm a rapper. Like I said, I feel like whenever you don't do stuff like that, you open up a topic of conversation for people to be saying stuff like, oh, these rappers need to be in the gym more. It's like, I don't even want nobody saying no stuff like that about me because it's like at the end of the day, y'all not looking at the fact that this dude got out there. Like, you know, like that's all that matters. He got out there. I respect it. I respect it. All I'm saying is, I used to box at one point. It takes a lot of training to get to the point. Because, you know, a street fight usually doesn't last three minutes. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Usually a minute, then, you know, whoever breaks it up or it's over or whatever. There's kicking or, you know, the person's on the ground, whatever else. Like a whole three minutes, then take a minute break and then come in for another three minutes. It's just a different type of activity. You see what I'm saying? Like, for example, my man Adam 22, I was there with him in Miami when that Jason Love fight happened. And you say, you know how to block. I wish that my man Adam knew how to block because after that first punch, he realized he couldn't block. Yeah. I felt seriously bad for him. What did you think of that fight? I didn't see it. Oh, you didn't see it? Nah, hell no. You want to see it? Shit, all right. Yeah, I really don't be too into all that stuff. Let me get your professional boxing opinion. Because it only lasted about 40 seconds, so. Hell no, for real. Let's go. Go time. Oh, shit. Never let a man fuck your bitch. Never let a man fuck your bitch. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Never. No. No way. Oh, oh. Wait, no, no, no. This ain't going long. Oh, my God. Told y'all. No, no. Told y'all. Yo. He practices score. This was not part of the plan, by the way. And it's over. Listen, I love Adam. That's my friend. I feel seriously bad being, you know, right there ringside. seeing that happen. He did not throw a single punch in that whole fight. Shit, he was blocking. He was trying to block. I don't think he was successfully blocking. Yeah. What'd you think of that boxing match right there? I think there wasn't no boxing match. It looked like that black dude was on a heavy bag. That's Jason Love. Yeah, it looked like he was on a heavy bag. Just punching the heavy bag. That was a heavy bag. Shots out of man I think the The boxing career is over He got a nice check for it though Yeah So Would you entertain An actual boxing match? Uh Probably if the money's If the money's worth it But as far as that I feel like Like I said I'm a rapper I want to focus on rapping And doing music Like I said I don't want to too much Get into anything else I feel like Like It's one or the other I don't got enough time to be I'm so focused on my music right now I don't got time to train like you know I go to the gym late like you know I don't got time to really do nothing I'm trying to just focus on this music and blow up with that I feel like you gotta choose one or the other it's like a doctor trying to be a dentist it's like you can't you can't balance between a doctor and a dentist if you gonna be a doctor you gotta be a doctor and do doctor shit like I'm a rapper I wanna do rapper shit I'm focused on my music and my craft and perfecting it like I'm a rapper I wanna do rapper shit I'm focused on my music and my craft and perfecting it so what's next for you so what's next for you shit just going crazy dropping projects I got a lot of stuff coming soon like a lot of songs a lot of singles that's about to come I'm working on my mixtape yep so that's pretty much it anyone you're working with uh no names I want to disclose right now okay well Jav5 man uh listen congratulations on getting through what you went through appreciate you because uh I think a lot of people would have folded along the way to be 24 years old facing double life. I mean, you could say that I wasn't worried. I believe in God and so forth. But along the way, there's those moments that I'm sure that you really were worried. It was. It was hard times. Like I said, it was a battle. But like I said, it's kind of like just knowing. It's like, like I said, it's a fight. It's like if you about to fight Adam right now, like you could think Adam going to whip your ass. But then it's like at the end of the day, you got to know like, nah, I got him. Like once you develop that mindset, like I got him, can't nothing else hold you back. Now, if you lose, then you lose. But as long as you win in that fight, knowing that you got him, then that's just what comes with it. I went in that fight knowing I got him. Like I knew I wasn't going to get life. I told a lot of people, don't count me out. I'm coming home. Like if y'all count me out, y'all can't count. Like just that. Well, you have two daughters. Two daughters, two beautiful daughters. What age? Eight and four. Okay. Now, you have girls who join gangs as well as guys. If one of your daughters said, Dad, I want to be a gangster. I want to be a Hoover. Yeah. I want to be a, you know, baby female shooter or whatever, you know, whatever name would come with that. And I'm going to do it better than you. I'm not going to make the mistakes you made. What are you going to tell them? I'm going to tell them no. Like, you can't do that. Like, I'm going to tell them that Daddy did that enough for all of us. Like, I game bang enough for my whole family. I've been through enough for my whole family like they don't need to feel that hurt and it's like it's so much betrayal and disappointing and it's so much shit in this shit like that stuff that I can't even talk about like you know there's so much that comes with this shit like you know I wouldn't wish it on nobody like you know that's why I just want to change and I want a lot of kids like that's watching me that look up to me that that I influence and all that I want y'all to realize like you know that like life ain't game banging ain't as glamorous as they make it seem Like, it's not that, man. And a lot of people wait. Like, they make it look good. But it's gangsters in there crying right now behind fighting life. Like, that shit don't feel good. I don't care how tough you are. I don't know nobody with life that be like, I'll do it again. Like, you get life behind this shit, it's over. Like, your homies don't love you. Your hood don't love you. Like, it's none of that shit. Like I said, we love the hood. Like, we love all that shit. That shit fun while it lasted. But it's like, at the end of the day, you got to realize, It's like, you know, it's no end goal in this shit. Like, you're going to do this shit forever. Like, there's no way you can, like, blossom. Like, there's no way. There's no way you're going to turn into nothing successful off of that. I don't know no gangbanger that gangbanged his whole life that got anything to show for it. Like, nothing. Bullet wounds and all type of shit like that. Well, I think that you and I kind of approach things in a similar fashion in terms of, I think, 10 years ahead. Right? So you're about to be done with your 20s. You're about to enter your 30s. You can't do the same shit in your 30s that you do in your 20s. Yeah, most definitely. And I feel like you know that right now. Yeah. Like as you're gearing up for your 30s, you can't keep acting like a 21-year-old anymore. Not at all. Right? And a lot of people in prison, I feel like, don't realize that. They still want to act like 20-year-olds and teenagers in their 30s and 40s. but if you think about it that way i feel like it gives you a better perspective because you're building towards the future as opposed to still trying to live in the present you know like the whole yolo bullshit like nah like your life could be very long you're supposed to live into your 80s maybe even your 90s you got to pace yourself so as you're going into your 30s you have to plan on being a 35 year old 37 year old you got to think about your 40s and everything else like that and If you look at successful people, the richer someone is, the farther ahead they're planning, right? People who are homeless, they're trying to get through the day. People that are middle class, they're trying to get through the year, you know, planning vacations later on in the year and so forth. People that are rich are planning 10, 20 years ahead of time. the billionaires with the Elon Musks, the Jeff Bezos, they're planning way past their lifetimes. You see what I'm saying? Elon is talking about colonizing Mars and having interstellar species and AI that's actually working for everyone and so forth. These are people that are really thinking about things that they know they won't be alive for, but they're still planning that out. Yeah. and that to me is how success actually happens when you start planning things out because none of this shit is overnight nothing you're not just gonna wake up make a song tomorrow and then be a big rap superstar you're gonna have to keep dropping song after song after song interview after interview feature show this networking and so forth and eventually things will start to happen right but it's all about planning it's all about persistence and you know there's a term called 10,000 hours, right? Malcolm Gladwell, he wrote a book about this where it says, if you do anything for 10,000 hours, you'll become a master at that thing. But you have to put in 10,000 hours, which means years and years of work. And it could be anything. It could be rapping, it could be producing, it could be managing, it could be interviews, it could be podcasting, but you have to put in that work. And I feel like you're preparing for that. When I hear you say, I don't care about this boxing shit. I'm trying to be a rapper. I'm like, okay, yeah. I think I like that. Yeah. I like that because it takes that focus to do that. And I've heard the songs. I hear the potential in what you're doing. You had songs that went viral and so forth, but you also went to jail. Now you can't follow that up with anything. But now that you're out, it seems like you're focusing on, which you should be focusing on, as opposed to, okay, let me think short term. let me oh my man said we could do this little quick scam where i could make a little 20 30k now i'm back in jail again yes you know i gotta start over again now i got multiple felonies on my record so it's not just a little slap on the wrist and so forth so you know jab five man uh i like what i'm hearing in this interview man and i think you're gonna do well i wish you all the best appreciate you man thank you no doubt man peace